Well partly true for Australia and correlates, but the bottom statement is dead on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc

The real statement for Australia is

If I wanted Australia to fail, I would keep Labor as our government and have the Greens more power

If I wanted Australia to fail, I guess, I wouldn't change a thing

Actually, in the next 18 months, your wish may be achieved as Miss Gillard tries to inflict as much damage to the Australian economy as possible so that the Coalition will have to start with the Australian economy in an unholy mess.

Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ...

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:41pm:

Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ...

And we'd better enjoy it while it lasts.

Once Tony gets in, we can kiss all of that goodbye.

We'll be challenging Greece and Portugal before you know it.

Australia has one of the best economies in the world and it has all occurred during the GFC and been achieved by the actions of the ALP.....If we had more tax cuts as proposed by the Coalition the budget would be in far worse shape and we would have had a recession.....The ALP has provided Australia with its first ever AAA rating in our history.....You cretins have no idea do you???

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If we open a quarrel between the past and the present, we shall find that we have lost the future.
Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:49pm:

Australia has one of the best economies in the world and it has all occurred during the GFC and been achieved by the actions of the ALP.....If we had more tax cuts as proposed by the Coalition the budget would be in far worse shape and we would have had a recession.....The ALP has provided Australia with its first ever AAA rating in our history.....You cretins have no idea do you??? ::) ::) ::) If we open a quarrel between the past and the present, we shall find that we have lost the future. Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

Its a shame all you have to show for it is the global leftists awards and a debt, taxes and incompetence of the labor party.

Don't underestimate your thoughts on how dumb the Australian people are though, I am sure you dont.

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:49pm: Australia has one of the best economies in the world and it has all occurred during the GFC and been achieved by the actions of the ALP.....If we had more tax cuts as proposed by the Coalition the budget would be in far worse shape and we would have had a recession.....The ALP has provided Australia with its first ever AAA rating in our history.....You cretins have no idea do you??? ::) ::) ::) If we open a quarrel between the past and the present, we shall find that we have lost the future. Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965) Its a shame all you have to show for it is the global leftists awards and a debt, taxes and incompetence of the labor party. Don't underestimate your thoughts on how dumb the Australian people are though, I am sure you dont.

No, we get the torrents of ill/misinformed bullshyt like this from the right as well.

Want Australia to fail?

It's easy!

Just vote Abbott. He'll do the rest.

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:49pm: Australia has one of the best economies in the world and it has all occurred during the GFC and been achieved by the actions of the ALP.....If we had more tax cuts as proposed by the Coalition the budget would be in far worse shape and we would have had a recession.....The ALP has provided Australia with its first ever AAA rating in our history.....You cretins have no idea do you??? ::) ::) ::) If we open a quarrel between the past and the present, we shall find that we have lost the future. Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965) Its a shame all you have to show for it is the global leftists awards and a debt, taxes and incompetence of the labor party. Don't underestimate your thoughts on how dumb the Australian people are though, I am sure you dont.

You do realize most of the debt was incurred due to lost revenue caused by the GFC not increased spending which would have occured no matter who was in power don't you???

You do realize that the Coalition offered more spending and larger tax cuts at the 2007 election that would have eroded the budget bottom line by billions more if the Coalition had won the election don't you???

You do realize that the Coalition advocated more tax cuts going mostly to the well off instead of one off stimulus payments that went mostly to low income earners to stimulate the economy....Meaning that budget revenue would have been further eroded and there would have been no stimulus to the economy as high income earners already have disposable income don't you???

You do realize Australia would have been far worse off under a Coalition Government and we would have had none of the infrastructure built to stimulate the economy don't you???

Of course you don't because you have no idea do you???

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Well said, Phil, and 100% correct.

Kat wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

Well said, Phil, and 100% correct.

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Thanks Kat.....

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Kat wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

Well said, Phil, and 100% correct.

Imagine if you could convince people it were true lol bit hard I would say. After all, you know the Australia people are stupid, pretty sure a labrat told us so.

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 10:21pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:18pm: Well said, Phil, and 100% correct. Imagine if you could convince people it were true lol bit hard I would say. After all, you know the Australia people are stupid, pretty sure a labrat told us so.

I don't know about that.....If the ALP where not so gun shy and took Abbott on by having confidence in their policies they would wipe the floor with the blow hard.....The problem is they are trying so hard to appeal to everyone they end up appealing to nobody.....Labor should just accept the section of the public that are self serving and don't give a stuff about anyone but themselves will never vote for them and do what is best for the majority not the minority.....Let Abbott appeal to the elites and nanny lovers in society and watch him lose his appeal!!!

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 10:31pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:21pm: Kat wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:18pm: Well said, Phil, and 100% correct. Imagine if you could convince people it were true lol bit hard I would say. After all, you know the Australia people are stupid, pretty sure a labrat told us so. I don't know about that.....If the ALP where not so gun shy and took Abbott on by having confidence in their policies they would wipe the floor with the blow hard.....The problem is they are trying so hard to appeal to everyone they end up appealing to nobody.....Labor should just accept the section of the public that are self serving and don't give a stuff about anyone but themselves will never vote for them and do what is best for the majority not the minority.....Let Abbott appeal to the elites and nanny lovers in society and watch him lose his appeal!!!

You forget a few inconvenient items in your 'wipe the floor with him'

Talking about the GFC and why is Australia in better shape than all the other countries

1. Because Australia went into debt.
No because all the other countries tried that, Australia followed.

2. Because labor are good managers of money.
lol, well we know the answer to that one

3. Because Australia, compared to the other countries, started out their bailouts with zero debt and money in the bank to boot.
Spot on. With a safer banking system and we also benefited from the chinese bailout through purchases made from Australian goods by china with that money.

If liberals were like labor and spent on top of the close to $100 billion debt labor left Howard, then we would have started the GFC with debts over $100 billion. Considering Howard was in for 8 years and if he spent like labor, we could have been anywhere from $110 billion in debt, to $150 or so billion.

Starting the GFC with $100 billion in debt would have been bad enough, so start with that, but remember it could have been worse with labor spend and waste.

So how would Australia be fairing then and tell us now why Australia is in such a good position.

People know that it is much easier to spend and waste than it is to pull your head in and save.

You have an uphill battle convincing the people that a government who spends, wastes and taxes, is better than a government who did the hard work and went through the scorn of having to save.

We all know that labor are (trying) riding on the coat tails of liberals and our hard work.

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 10:44pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:31pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:21pm: Kat wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:18pm: Well said, Phil, and 100% correct. Imagine if you could convince people it were true lol bit hard I would say. After all, you know the Australia people are stupid, pretty sure a labrat told us so. I don't know about that.....If the ALP where not so gun shy and took Abbott on by having confidence in their policies they would wipe the floor with the blow hard.....The problem is they are trying so hard to appeal to everyone they end up appealing to nobody.....Labor should just accept the section of the public that are self serving and don't give a stuff about anyone but themselves will never vote for them and do what is best for the majority not the minority.....Let Abbott appeal to the elites and nanny lovers in society and watch him lose his appeal!!! You forget a few inconvenient items in your 'wipe the floor with him' Talking about the GFC and why is Australia in better shape than all the other countries 1. Because Australia went into debt. No because all the other countries tried that, Australia followed. 2. Because labor are good managers of money. lol, well we know the answer to that one 3. Because Australia, compared to the other countries, started out their bailouts with zero debt and money in the bank to boot. Spot on. If liberals were like labor and spent on top of the close to $100 billion debt labor left Howard, then we would have started the GFC with debts over $100 billion. Considering Howard was in for 8 years and if he spent like labor, we could have been anywhere from $110 billion in debt, to $150 or so billion. Starting the GFC with $100 billion in debt would have been bad enough, so start with that, but remember it could have been worse with labor spend and waste. So how would Australia be fairing then and tell us now why Australia is in such a good position. People know that it is much easier to spend and waste than it is to pull your head in and save. You have an uphill battle convincing the people that a government who spends, wastes and taxes, is better than a government who did the hard work and went through the scorn of having to save. We all know that labor are riding on the coat tails of liberals and our hard work.

There is NO hope for Aus while there are people who actually believe this crap.

The sad thing is, those of us with more than a handful of brain-cells KNOW it's
crap, and can't understand how anyone COULD believe it.


**Shakes head, walks off.**

Kat wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 10:54pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:44pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:31pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:21pm: Kat wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:18pm: Well said, Phil, and 100% correct. Imagine if you could convince people it were true lol bit hard I would say. After all, you know the Australia people are stupid, pretty sure a labrat told us so. I don't know about that.....If the ALP where not so gun shy and took Abbott on by having confidence in their policies they would wipe the floor with the blow hard.....The problem is they are trying so hard to appeal to everyone they end up appealing to nobody.....Labor should just accept the section of the public that are self serving and don't give a stuff about anyone but themselves will never vote for them and do what is best for the majority not the minority.....Let Abbott appeal to the elites and nanny lovers in society and watch him lose his appeal!!! You forget a few inconvenient items in your 'wipe the floor with him' Talking about the GFC and why is Australia in better shape than all the other countries 1. Because Australia went into debt. No because all the other countries tried that, Australia followed. 2. Because labor are good managers of money. lol, well we know the answer to that one 3. Because Australia, compared to the other countries, started out their bailouts with zero debt and money in the bank to boot. Spot on. If liberals were like labor and spent on top of the close to $100 billion debt labor left Howard, then we would have started the GFC with debts over $100 billion. Considering Howard was in for 8 years and if he spent like labor, we could have been anywhere from $110 billion in debt, to $150 or so billion. Starting the GFC with $100 billion in debt would have been bad enough, so start with that, but remember it could have been worse with labor spend and waste. So how would Australia be fairing then and tell us now why Australia is in such a good position. People know that it is much easier to spend and waste than it is to pull your head in and save. You have an uphill battle convincing the people that a government who spends, wastes and taxes, is better than a government who did the hard work and went through the scorn of having to save. We all know that labor are riding on the coat tails of liberals and our hard work. There is NO hope for Aus while there are people who actually believe this crap. The sad thing is, those of us with more than a handful of brain-cells KNOW it's crap, and can't understand how anyone COULD believe it. **Shakes head, walks off.**

Not that it would help you, but I added a couple of important points I forgot to add.

With a safer banking system and we also benefited from the chinese bailout through purchases made from Australian goods by china with that money.

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 10:44pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:31pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:21pm: Kat wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:18pm: Well said, Phil, and 100% correct. Imagine if you could convince people it were true lol bit hard I would say. After all, you know the Australia people are stupid, pretty sure a labrat told us so. I don't know about that.....If the ALP where not so gun shy and took Abbott on by having confidence in their policies they would wipe the floor with the blow hard.....The problem is they are trying so hard to appeal to everyone they end up appealing to nobody.....Labor should just accept the section of the public that are self serving and don't give a stuff about anyone but themselves will never vote for them and do what is best for the majority not the minority.....Let Abbott appeal to the elites and nanny lovers in society and watch him lose his appeal!!! You forget a few inconvenient items in your 'wipe the floor with him' Talking about the GFC and why is Australia in better shape than all the other countries 1. Because Australia went into debt. No because all the other countries tried that, Australia followed. 2. Because labor are good managers of money. lol, well we know the answer to that one 3. Because Australia, compared to the other countries, started out their bailouts with zero debt and money in the bank to boot. Spot on. If liberals were like labor and spent on top of the close to $100 billion debt labor left Howard, then we would have started the GFC with debts over $100 billion. Considering Howard was in for 8 years and if he spent like labor, we could have been anywhere from $110 billion in debt, to $150 or so billion. Starting the GFC with $100 billion in debt would have been bad enough, so start with that, but remember it could have been worse with labor spend and waste. So how would Australia be fairing then and tell us now why Australia is in such a good position. People know that it is much easier to spend and waste than it is to pull your head in and save. You have an uphill battle convincing the people that a government who spends, wastes and taxes, is better than a government who did the hard work and went through the scorn of having to save. We all know that labor are (trying) riding on the coat tails of liberals and our hard work.

What a load of crap.....The Hawke / Keating Governments also started with debt left over from the Fraser / Howard years.....The also went through a recession and made the economic changes that Howard prospered from......The economy was already recovering when Howard tool office but it was Howard who wasted the boom by neglecting infrastructure and social spending in favor of pumping billions of dollars into the private sector and providing billions of dollars in election bribes that eroded the integrity of the budget.....When the ALP took office in 2007 they where confronted with another world wide recession that forced Labor to once again take the hard economic decisions and wear the fall in revenue.....What we know is the Coalition would have been in the same situation as Labor because the budget was in structural deficit due to the massive tax cuts and spending on wealthfare the Howard Government used to bribe the electorate and win elections.....The Coalition have never faced hard economic times apart from during the Fraser years and look how they stuffed that up!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 11:01pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:44pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:31pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:21pm: Kat wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:18pm: Well said, Phil, and 100% correct. Imagine if you could convince people it were true lol bit hard I would say. After all, you know the Australia people are stupid, pretty sure a labrat told us so. I don't know about that.....If the ALP where not so gun shy and took Abbott on by having confidence in their policies they would wipe the floor with the blow hard.....The problem is they are trying so hard to appeal to everyone they end up appealing to nobody.....Labor should just accept the section of the public that are self serving and don't give a stuff about anyone but themselves will never vote for them and do what is best for the majority not the minority.....Let Abbott appeal to the elites and nanny lovers in society and watch him lose his appeal!!! You forget a few inconvenient items in your 'wipe the floor with him' Talking about the GFC and why is Australia in better shape than all the other countries 1. Because Australia went into debt. No because all the other countries tried that, Australia followed. 2. Because labor are good managers of money. lol, well we know the answer to that one 3. Because Australia, compared to the other countries, started out their bailouts with zero debt and money in the bank to boot. Spot on. If liberals were like labor and spent on top of the close to $100 billion debt labor left Howard, then we would have started the GFC with debts over $100 billion. Considering Howard was in for 8 years and if he spent like labor, we could have been anywhere from $110 billion in debt, to $150 or so billion. Starting the GFC with $100 billion in debt would have been bad enough, so start with that, but remember it could have been worse with labor spend and waste. So how would Australia be fairing then and tell us now why Australia is in such a good position. People know that it is much easier to spend and waste than it is to pull your head in and save. You have an uphill battle convincing the people that a government who spends, wastes and taxes, is better than a government who did the hard work and went through the scorn of having to save. We all know that labor are (trying) riding on the coat tails of liberals and our hard work. What a load of crap.....The Hawke / Keating Governments also started with debt left over from the Fraser / Howard years.....The also went through a recession and made the economic changes that Howard prospered from......The economy was already recovering when Howard tool office but it was Howard who wasted the boom by neglecting infrastructure and social spending in favor of pumping billions of dollars into the private sector and providing billions of dollars in election bribes that eroded the integrity of the budget.....When the ALP took office in 2007 they where confronted with another world wide recession that forced Labor to once again take the hard economic decisions and wear the fall in revenue.....What we know is the Coalition would have been in the same situation as Labor because the budget was in structural deficit due to the massive tax cuts and spending on wealthfare the Howard Government used to bribe the electorate and win elections.....The Coalition have never faced hard economic times apart from during the Fraser years and look how they stuffed that up!!! ::) ::) ::)

Yeh good luck with that. You have a tough battle ahead.

Your desperation is understandable - any port in a storm etc wave the arms around and scream dream time utterances - waffle on about imaginary achievements and ease the pain in your defeated minds by deluding yourselves with dreams of ecstatic idyllic fields of joy.

But just like someone falling to his death it won't make much difference when you hit the hard earth far below and so it shall come to pass that Labor has but 18 months to wreak despair and destruction on Australia before the wrath of the Australian public shall wrench them by their necks and cast them asunder into the fires of Hell whence they came.

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 11:07pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:01pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:44pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:31pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:21pm: Kat wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:18pm: Well said, Phil, and 100% correct. Imagine if you could convince people it were true lol bit hard I would say. After all, you know the Australia people are stupid, pretty sure a labrat told us so. I don't know about that.....If the ALP where not so gun shy and took Abbott on by having confidence in their policies they would wipe the floor with the blow hard.....The problem is they are trying so hard to appeal to everyone they end up appealing to nobody.....Labor should just accept the section of the public that are self serving and don't give a stuff about anyone but themselves will never vote for them and do what is best for the majority not the minority.....Let Abbott appeal to the elites and nanny lovers in society and watch him lose his appeal!!! You forget a few inconvenient items in your 'wipe the floor with him' Talking about the GFC and why is Australia in better shape than all the other countries 1. Because Australia went into debt. No because all the other countries tried that, Australia followed. 2. Because labor are good managers of money. lol, well we know the answer to that one 3. Because Australia, compared to the other countries, started out their bailouts with zero debt and money in the bank to boot. Spot on. If liberals were like labor and spent on top of the close to $100 billion debt labor left Howard, then we would have started the GFC with debts over $100 billion. Considering Howard was in for 8 years and if he spent like labor, we could have been anywhere from $110 billion in debt, to $150 or so billion. Starting the GFC with $100 billion in debt would have been bad enough, so start with that, but remember it could have been worse with labor spend and waste. So how would Australia be fairing then and tell us now why Australia is in such a good position. People know that it is much easier to spend and waste than it is to pull your head in and save. You have an uphill battle convincing the people that a government who spends, wastes and taxes, is better than a government who did the hard work and went through the scorn of having to save. We all know that labor are (trying) riding on the coat tails of liberals and our hard work. What a load of crap.....The Hawke / Keating Governments also started with debt left over from the Fraser / Howard years.....The also went through a recession and made the economic changes that Howard prospered from......The economy was already recovering when Howard tool office but it was Howard who wasted the boom by neglecting infrastructure and social spending in favor of pumping billions of dollars into the private sector and providing billions of dollars in election bribes that eroded the integrity of the budget.....When the ALP took office in 2007 they where confronted with another world wide recession that forced Labor to once again take the hard economic decisions and wear the fall in revenue.....What we know is the Coalition would have been in the same situation as Labor because the budget was in structural deficit due to the massive tax cuts and spending on wealthfare the Howard Government used to bribe the electorate and win elections.....The Coalition have never faced hard economic times apart from during the Fraser years and look how they stuffed that up!!! ::) ::) ::) Yeh good luck with that. You have a tough battle ahead.

Err.....I just rant on these threads and have no intention fighting Labor's battle for them.....I just like having an opinion that's all.....Anything said on these forums is just friendly banter that has no influence on public opinion.....As long as we can keep the debate civil I am happy to disagree with anyone!!!

  ;) ;) ;)

juliar wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 11:15pm:

Your desperation is understandable - any port in a storm etc wave the arms around and scream dream time utterances - waffle on about imaginary achievements and ease the pain in your defeated minds by deluding yourselves with dreams of ecstatic idyllic fields of joy. But just like someone falling to his death it won't make much difference when you hit the hard earth far below and so it shall come to pass that Labor has but 18 months to wreak despair and destruction on Australia before the wrath of the Australian public shall wrench them by their necks and cast them asunder into the fires of Hell whence they came.

lol.....Well said.....Unfortunatly your rant is wasted on me because I do not believe in hell and only have an opinion like you....I will keep posting my opinion whilst you preach about hell fire and despair.....Just think how bad it will get when we have a religious nut job like Abbott as PM.....Keep the faith because you will need it!!!

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juliar wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 11:15pm:

Your desperation is understandable - any port in a storm etc wave the arms around and scream dream time utterances - waffle on about imaginary achievements and ease the pain in your defeated minds by deluding yourselves with dreams of ecstatic idyllic fields of joy. But just like someone falling to his death it won't make much difference when you hit the hard earth far below and so it shall come to pass that Labor has but 18 months to wreak despair and destruction on Australia before the wrath of the Australian public shall wrench them by their necks and cast them asunder into the fires of Hell whence they came.

Sounds like you need to get back on the medication. Or off it.

Oh you're all way behind

The rot set in from the start, when Sydney Cove was a pup

So here's another to stimulate gall-production and tear a new hole in your guts

Approx. 24 hours ago I read a site out of the US - run by a collective who've amassed a ton of physical evidence (blood tests revealing numerous specific toxins - soil tests, same - water tests - same - airborne particles collected on sheets of glass during Chemtrail spraying, same - etc. plus countless video and photos of the Chem spraying) and who are lodging a class action against the US govt. in unison with similar groups from several nations who're doing same

So they were inviting people from say, Australia, to join them and share with and in the evidence, enjoy the support of a worldwide movement,  in order they can nail the Aussie govt. for identical crimes

During the discussions and comments emerged one from Australia by a guy who, back in the 60s and 70s, worked on RAAF planes.  He and others were tasked with fixing spray nozzles to Australian airforce planes

and the purpose ?

Well, according to this guy (who must be in his 60s by now at least) it was to spray defoliants on Victorian farmers' crops.  Mentioned in particular were pear and apple crops

He ended by saying this action forced Australia -- for the first time in living memory -- to import fruit from overseas suppliers

And once again we're reminded of the accusations levelled at Bob Brown and the Greens (but we could apply it across the board to every stinking Aussie politician) by Clive Palmer
re: the dedication of the CIA to protect and increase US market share at the expense of supposedly independent nations such as Australia

The ex-RAAF guy said that ever since, he's had to live with guilt and regret - but said he was 'young' at the time, didn't fully appreciate the ramifications and in any case was obeying orders

Australia, left to itself, wouldn't fail.  Like those healthy, top grade pears and apples, Australia has been systematically destroyed by overseas powers

and these days, you can't find those tins of Berri pear, apple, peach fruit juice which was so thick and pure you needed a wide straw to drink it.  Bastards.  Those fruit juices were my favourites.  And when I think of them, I remember what a great place Australia used to be - how safe, clean and optimistic it was

Incidentally, a couple of months ago, yet another Aussie producer had to plough prime orange trees into his ground because Coles and Woolies and their ever increasing monopolisation of Australian food supplies, preferred to import cheap orange extract from overseas

Australia is being forced to its knees while scum politicians in what is the defacto governance of this nation by ruthless overseas powers, grab whore media headlines that focus -- as always -- on the groin and money.  These two elements -- sex and money -- have proven worldwide to be headline grabbers, orchestrated for profit by the monopolistic whore media.  Because a majority of voters - either by inclination based in low IQ or simply through relentless dumbing-down -- enjoy being titillated by filthy lucre and other people's sex lives

And because of that - because of fascination with royal-tours in the Menzies era and because successive new generations of half-wits continue to keep their brain between their legs and find enjoyment in moronic 'talent' shows on tv & low-brow political scandals - Australia has been repeatedly raped and destroyed, it's cries unheard by a population addicted to screens

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:41pm:

Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ...

It's because of the hard work done by Howard and Costello that Rudd and Gillard were gifted a strong economy. Without that, I suspect we'd have been receiving money from the IMF, not handing it out. If you think Gillard and Swan are competent managers of the economy, look no further than these simple facts:

- Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus
- Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars
- Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 6:46am:

[quote author=75607773664D7D7C77120 link=1335263430/2#2 date=1335267691] - Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus - Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars - Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt.

The surplus was anything but massive. In fact it was a smoke and mirrors event as the world had changed and the word billion now means what million used to. It was perception, the 20 billion was chicken feed when the GFC arrived and we saw 150 billion fall in tax receipts.

We were fortunate that Rudd had the guts to do what had to be done at the time considering the riddicule they had copped over debt for the last decade. It is easy to pay off the mortgage when you income is on the increase by hugh % every year. Try making the tough decisions when you loose your job and have to work at Macca's.

Even Costello recognised that his job was advantaged by the courages reforms of the former government who had no such advantage from it's previous treasurer one Mr Howard who left behind a budget that was an economic basket case.

nairbe wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 7:32am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:46am: [quote author=75607773664D7D7C77120 link=1335263430/2#2 date=1335267691] - Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus - Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars - Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt. The surplus was anything but massive. In fact it was a smoke and mirrors event as the world had changed and the word billion now means what million used to. It was perception, the 20 billion was chicken feed when the GFC arrived and we saw 150 billion fall in tax receipts. We were fortunate that Rudd had the guts to do what had to be done at the time considering the riddicule they had copped over debt for the last decade. It is easy to pay off the mortgage when you income is on the increase by hugh % every year. Try making the tough decisions when you loose your job and have to work at Macca's. Even Costello recognised that his job was advantaged by the courages reforms of the former government who had no such advantage from it's previous treasurer one Mr Howard who left behind a budget that was an economic basket case.

It's still far more than Labor's last surplus. Oh, wait - they havent had one for years!

If I wanted Australia to fail I would align myself with America and give our biggest trading partner the flick.

Whether we are in boom times or crises we will align ourselves with what's white.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 7:36am:

nairbe wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:32am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:46am: [quote author=75607773664D7D7C77120 link=1335263430/2#2 date=1335267691] - Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus - Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars - Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt. The surplus was anything but massive. In fact it was a smoke and mirrors event as the world had changed and the word billion now means what million used to. It was perception, the 20 billion was chicken feed when the GFC arrived and we saw 150 billion fall in tax receipts. We were fortunate that Rudd had the guts to do what had to be done at the time considering the riddicule they had copped over debt for the last decade. It is easy to pay off the mortgage when you income is on the increase by hugh % every year. Try making the tough decisions when you loose your job and have to work at Macca's. Even Costello recognised that his job was advantaged by the courages reforms of the former government who had no such advantage from it's previous treasurer one Mr Howard who left behind a budget that was an economic basket case. It's still far more than Labor's last surplus. Oh, wait - they havent had one for years!

You can do better than that lame ass response. You only show how shallow your understanding of the economic progression of this country over the past 30 years is.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 7:44am:

If I wanted Australia to fail I would align myself with America and give our biggest trading partner the flick. Whether we are in boom times or crises we will align ourselves with what's white.

Geeze i would just vote for Abbott myself.

If I wanted Australia to fail

Australia is not failing in fact pretty much the opposite.

A vote for Tnoy Abbnott though would clearly be a step in that direction in many ways.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 6:46am:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:41pm: Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ... It's because of the hard work done by Howard and Costello that Rudd and Gillard were gifted a strong economy. Without that, I suspect we'd have been receiving money from the IMF, not handing it out. If you think Gillard and Swan are competent managers of the economy, look no further than these simple facts: - Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus - Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars - Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt.

- Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus


Well at least it has stopped increasing - it was  $14 B when he left office.

The surplus was gone whoever was in power following the GFC. Most of the deficit is not due to increased spending but reduced income with the level of locked in spending.

This is where all the Howard tax cut bribes came home to roost. The Fiberals had left the economy structured to be dependant on an unrealistically high level of growth to just break even. As soon as the world economy got into any trouble we were structured to automatically go into the red.

Had the Howard government kept the income stream at a higher level and diverted money to projects like infrastructure while the times were good it would have just been a matter of diverting the money back when times got rough.

The lieb's behaved like the good times would roll on forever and structured our economy to be dependant on that position.

In a lot of ways we are now paying for that mistake.

The liebs surplus of $14B or a bit over 1% of GDP looks ok on the surface till much more that $14B of income went away  due to the GFC - almost 3% of GDP.

This shows that doing nothing the Aust economy would have gone from +1% to about -2% due to the GFC.

That is about a $28B deficit just based on the structured position. Less income but the bills stay the same.

All indications are that the Lieb’s stated policy solutions at the time would have only made it worse and ultimately led to greater debt.

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 8:30pm:

The real statement for Australia is If I wanted Australia to fail, I would keep Labor as our government and have the Greens more power If I wanted Australia to fail, I guess, I wouldn't change a thing

Have to agree with you 100% on that lolly. Leave things as they are and Australia will definitely fail to return to the 1950s.  :D

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 7:44am:

If I wanted Australia to fail I would align myself with America and give our biggest trading partner the flick. Whether we are in boom times or crises we will align ourselves with what's white.

The country that shoots praying Buddhists in the back, runs tanks over protestors and is - according to Amnesty - holding thousands of political opponents in jail on no charge?

Glad to see you care a lot about human rights.

If I wanted Australia to fail I would introduce a carbon tax, a smallish one as to get it passed. Then I would have the greens and any other environmentalist gaia follower to head commitees that have power to up the price.

I would tell the people that this is for the common good. That all other countries will follow us because we are leaders and innovators

Yeah but didn't you know the carbon tax is going to stop all pollution and we're all saved because of it?

Then think of all that compensation we get to pay it too?

$3 per year.

Yep, 3/4 of the cost of a latte spread over 12 months.
You lucky people.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 6:46am:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:41pm: Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ... It's because of the hard work done by Howard and Costello that Rudd and Gillard were gifted a strong economy. Without that, I suspect we'd have been receiving money from the IMF, not handing it out. If you think Gillard and Swan are competent managers of the economy, look no further than these simple facts: - Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus - Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars - Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt.

Keep telling yourself that .... Coalition Governments have always had higher spending than labor governments ... check your history .. The Gillard govt. is spending less money than Howard  so all this talk of wasting money is rubbish .. at least she spent it on things that would stimulate the economy. Abbotts stimulus package wasn't much less than labors, and labor had accounted for their budget ... no $70 BILLION black hole ...

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 9:15am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:46am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:41pm: Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ... It's because of the hard work done by Howard and Costello that Rudd and Gillard were gifted a strong economy. Without that, I suspect we'd have been receiving money from the IMF, not handing it out. If you think Gillard and Swan are competent managers of the economy, look no further than these simple facts: - Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus - Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars - Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt. Keep telling yourself that .... Coalition Governments have always had higher spending than labor governments ... check your history .. The Gillard govt. is spending less money than Howard  so all this talk of wasting money is rubbish .. at least she spent it on things that would stimulate the economy. Abbotts stimulus package wasn't much less than labors, and labor had accounted for their budget ... no $70 BILLION black hole ...

Yet the facts are that the current Government has taken the country from a position of surplus to debt and did so within 18 months of gaining power.

Whether you spend more or less, that is a cast iron fact.

They actually handed out $1,000 to families - then denied it to the working people who actually paid most in tax to the surplus.

It was folly and aimed at their core vote - which obviously didn't work because they lost their entire majority in 2010 and the current is still in fking debt.

Labor are just not suited to governing, they are best in opposition yelling insults.

Honestly the standard of knowledge and ability to present a cogent convincing argument on this blog site is about the standard of the Labor Party ie pathetic - why is it the trolls insist on repeatedly describing their personal inadequacies and what is the point of having that fabulous LAST WORD when that last word simply tells everyone that the troll is really an insignificant inferior little nobody ignored by the world desperately trying to get attention but, unfortunately, lacks the ability and talent to attract anything other than pity.

Trolls, instead of wasting good blog space and lowering the standard of the blog site why don't you seek professional help for your inadequacies and disabilities ?

juliar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 9:33am:

Honestly the standard of knowledge and ability to present a cogent convincing argument on this blog site is about the standard of the Labor Party ie pathetic - why is it the trolls insist on repeatedly describing their personal inadequacies and what is the point of having that fabulous LAST WORD when that last word simply tells everyone that the troll is really an insignificant inferior little nobody ignored by the world desperately trying to get attention but, unfortunately, lacks the ability and talent to attract anything other than pity. Trolls, instead of wasting good blog space and lowering the standard of the blog site why don't you seek professional help for your inadequacies and disabilities ?

What ARE you havering about?

Kat wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 9:42am:

juliar wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:33am: Honestly the standard of knowledge and ability to present a cogent convincing argument on this blog site is about the standard of the Labor Party ie pathetic - why is it the trolls insist on repeatedly describing their personal inadequacies and what is the point of having that fabulous LAST WORD when that last word simply tells everyone that the troll is really an insignificant inferior little nobody ignored by the world desperately trying to get attention but, unfortunately, lacks the ability and talent to attract anything other than pity. Trolls, instead of wasting good blog space and lowering the standard of the blog site why don't you seek professional help for your inadequacies and disabilities ? What ARE you havering about?

I was wondering that myself ... talk about wasting blog space and lowering standards ...

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

Yet the facts are that the current Government has taken the country from a position of surplus to debt and did so within 18 months of gaining power. Whether you spend more or less, that is a cast iron fact. They actually handed out $1,000 to families - then denied it to the working people who actually paid most in tax to the surplus. It was folly and aimed at their core vote - which obviously didn't work because they lost their entire majority in 2010 and the current is still in fking debt. Labor are just not suited to governing, they are best in opposition yelling insults.

Yet the facts are that the current Government has taken the country from a position of surplus to debt and did so within 18 months of gaining power.

If it was not for the GFC Australia would have stayed in surplus and in the condition which did exist at the time the Liberals would have clearly found them selves in the same position. To make the argument you do here is basically dishonest and meaningless in terms of fact.

They actually handed out $1,000 to families - then denied it to the working people who actually paid most in tax to the surplus.

The money was meant to give the economy a kick start to help get us over the initial impact of the downturn and seems to have worked.

Targeting additional money at people better off would have had a lot less impact, money going into savings and investment would have done nothing positive for the economy.

It was folly and aimed at their core vote - which obviously didn't work because they lost their entire majority in 2010 and the current is still in fking debt.

And the liberals have opposed and undermined every policy aimed at a return to surplus.

Labor are just not suited to governing, they are best in opposition yelling insults.

It will be interesting 15 months after (if) Tnoy Abbnott becomes PM to see who is better equipped to be in opposition just saying no to every thing but a menace in government.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:15am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:46am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:41pm: Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ... It's because of the hard work done by Howard and Costello that Rudd and Gillard were gifted a strong economy. Without that, I suspect we'd have been receiving money from the IMF, not handing it out. If you think Gillard and Swan are competent managers of the economy, look no further than these simple facts: - Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus - Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars - Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt. Keep telling yourself that .... Coalition Governments have always had higher spending than labor governments ... check your history .. The Gillard govt. is spending less money than Howard  so all this talk of wasting money is rubbish .. at least she spent it on things that would stimulate the economy. Abbotts stimulus package wasn't much less than labors, and labor had accounted for their budget ... no $70 BILLION black hole ... Yet the facts are that the current Government has taken the country from a position of surplus to debt and did so within 18 months of gaining power. Whether you spend more or less, that is a cast iron fact. They actually handed out $1,000 to families - then denied it to the working people who actually paid most in tax to the surplus. It was folly and aimed at their core vote - which obviously didn't work because they lost their entire majority in 2010 and the current is still in fking debt. Labor are just not suited to governing, they are best in opposition yelling insults.

Firstly you are on such weak ground as you lord and praise the Uass that has what is it 16+ Trillion's of debt ;D ;D ;D

Now as a bean counter i would hope that you might just have the slightest inkling of economics. As your response shows none i will assume you are simply being a right wing nut who would vote for hitler before labor at an election because the brain damage you sustained taking acid at uni has left you with no executive function.

Our economic position is excellent, and when you take into account the world collapse particularly in the Uass and EU combined with the massive loss in tax revenue we are doing even better. Lay over that some of the most desperately needed infrastructure improvements in our schools (that i know your snobs will never attend) we will finally have a communications system that will allow this country to enter the 21 century. But the selfish like you never get that you only think of how you are going to stage a take over of heven so you can take you money with you and the grandkids can go back to throwing stones for all you care.

It makes economic sense that in the event of a domestic, regional and global downturn for a govt that is in the position to borrow to keep the economy going to do so.
All govts do it..Labor and Liberal and I doubt anyone would rather we were wallowing in the depths of an economic depression rather than borrowing an easily affordable amount of money.
The same people complaining about govt debt would be complaining just as loud if the govt had done nothing and we were in double digit unemployment with mass defaults on housing and personal loans meaning banks and business would be falling like dominoes just as they have overseas.
We are in a strong economic and enviable position simply because the govt took swift action...like it or not

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 10:10am:

It makes economic sense that in the event of a domestic, regional and global downturn for a govt that is in the position to borrow to keep the economy going to do so. All govts do it..Labor and Liberal and I doubt anyone would rather we were wallowing in the depths of an economic depression rather than borrowing an easily affordable amount of money. The same people complaining about govt debt would be complaining just as loud if the govt had done nothing and we were in double digit unemployment with mass defaults on housing and personal loans meaning banks and business would be falling like dominoes just as they have overseas. We are in a strong economic and enviable position simply because the govt took swift action...like it or not

In fact the liberals proposal at the time was almost identical ... except that they wanted to give the money to the rich, and instead of borrowing 200 million, it was 180 million ... wow,  .. what saviours .... not

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 6:46am:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:41pm: Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ... It's because of the hard work done by Howard and Costello that Rudd and Gillard were gifted a strong economy. Without that, I suspect we'd have been receiving money from the IMF, not handing it out. If you think Gillard and Swan are competent managers of the economy, look no further than these simple facts: - Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus - Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars - Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt.

The $20 billion surplus was in the forward estimates accounting for revenue and spending for the following 4 years meaning it never eventuated due to the massive decline in revenue.....Revenue declined and the spending contained in the budget through entitlements and tax cuts put the budget into structural deficit.....Labor spent money to keep the economy afloat and prop up the budget when revenue plummeted or we would have gone into recession and seen massive job losses and a collapse of the Australian dollar!!!

Because revenue still has not returned to post GFC levels the Government must cut spending from the budget and introduce more taxes to help pay for policies needed to keep the Australian economy growing and help industries suffering whilst the Australian dollar is so high!!!

The mining boom is driving up the Australian dollar and harming other industries who export or compete with oversees imports....To claim the mining industry should not contribute to help the majority of Australians who are not benefiting from the mining industry would do long term harm to the economy when the mining boom ends and Australia has nothing else!!!

We need to invest in the future and help industries survive the problems created by the mining boom and not stick our heads in the sand and think the billionaires will give a stuff about Australia once they have raped our resources and made a killing with our mineral wealth!!!

Everyone who receives the protection of society owes a return for the benefit.
John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873), On Liberty

IF I WANTED AUSTRALIA TO FAIL
I'd elect Phony Tony Abbott as PM.

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:46am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:41pm: Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ... It's because of the hard work done by Howard and Costello that Rudd and Gillard were gifted a strong economy. Without that, I suspect we'd have been receiving money from the IMF, not handing it out. If you think Gillard and Swan are competent managers of the economy, look no further than these simple facts: - Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus - Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars - Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt. The $20 billion surplus was in the forward estimates accounting for revenue and spending for the following 4 years meaning it never eventuated due to the massive decline in revenue.....Revenue declined and the spending contained in the budget through entitlements and tax cuts put the budget into structural deficit.....Labor spent money to keep the economy afloat and prop up the budget when revenue plummeted or we would have gone into recession and seen massive job losses and a collapse of the Australian dollar!!! Because revenue still has not returned to post GFC levels the Government must cut spending from the budget and introduce more taxes to help pay for policies needed to keep the Australian economy growing and help industries suffering whilst the Australian dollar is so high!!! The mining boom is driving up the Australian dollar and harming other industries who export or compete with oversees imports....To claim the mining industry should not contribute to help the majority of Australians who are not benefiting from the mining industry would do long term harm to the economy when the mining boom ends and Australia has nothing else!!! We need to invest in the future and help industries survive the problems created by the mining boom and not stick our heads in the sand and think the billionaires will give a stuff about Australia once they have raped our resources and made a killing with our mineral wealth!!! Everyone who receives the protection of society owes a return for the benefit. John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873), On Liberty

Well, you've done it again, Phil.....10/10.


But I fear you are casting pearls before swine.... :)

Kat wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:30am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:46am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:41pm: Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ... It's because of the hard work done by Howard and Costello that Rudd and Gillard were gifted a strong economy. Without that, I suspect we'd have been receiving money from the IMF, not handing it out. If you think Gillard and Swan are competent managers of the economy, look no further than these simple facts: - Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus - Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars - Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt. The $20 billion surplus was in the forward estimates accounting for revenue and spending for the following 4 years meaning it never eventuated due to the massive decline in revenue.....Revenue declined and the spending contained in the budget through entitlements and tax cuts put the budget into structural deficit.....Labor spent money to keep the economy afloat and prop up the budget when revenue plummeted or we would have gone into recession and seen massive job losses and a collapse of the Australian dollar!!! Because revenue still has not returned to post GFC levels the Government must cut spending from the budget and introduce more taxes to help pay for policies needed to keep the Australian economy growing and help industries suffering whilst the Australian dollar is so high!!! The mining boom is driving up the Australian dollar and harming other industries who export or compete with oversees imports....To claim the mining industry should not contribute to help the majority of Australians who are not benefiting from the mining industry would do long term harm to the economy when the mining boom ends and Australia has nothing else!!! We need to invest in the future and help industries survive the problems created by the mining boom and not stick our heads in the sand and think the billionaires will give a stuff about Australia once they have raped our resources and made a killing with our mineral wealth!!! Everyone who receives the protection of society owes a return for the benefit. John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873), On Liberty Well, you've done it again, Phil.....10/10. But I fear you are casting pearls before swine.... :)

Thanks Kat.....I suspect you are correct and I am wasting my time with some posters.....However those that are objective can see what the ignorant cannot!!!

Truth persuades by teaching, but does not teach by persuading.
Quintus Septimius Tertullianus (160 AD - 230 AD), Adversus Valentinianos

X X X

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:41pm:

Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ...

actually he did. we had the worlds best economy in 2007 and before. we also were one of only a hdnful of countires to have no debt and running surplueses. you really discredit yourself with arguments like this. If anything, it is the Ray bradbury argument anyhow.

Kat wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:30am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:46am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:41pm: Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ... It's because of the hard work done by Howard and Costello that Rudd and Gillard were gifted a strong economy. Without that, I suspect we'd have been receiving money from the IMF, not handing it out. If you think Gillard and Swan are competent managers of the economy, look no further than these simple facts: - Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus - Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars - Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt. The $20 billion surplus was in the forward estimates accounting for revenue and spending for the following 4 years meaning it never eventuated due to the massive decline in revenue.....Revenue declined and the spending contained in the budget through entitlements and tax cuts put the budget into structural deficit.....Labor spent money to keep the economy afloat and prop up the budget when revenue plummeted or we would have gone into recession and seen massive job losses and a collapse of the Australian dollar!!! Because revenue still has not returned to post GFC levels the Government must cut spending from the budget and introduce more taxes to help pay for policies needed to keep the Australian economy growing and help industries suffering whilst the Australian dollar is so high!!! The mining boom is driving up the Australian dollar and harming other industries who export or compete with oversees imports....To claim the mining industry should not contribute to help the majority of Australians who are not benefiting from the mining industry would do long term harm to the economy when the mining boom ends and Australia has nothing else!!! We need to invest in the future and help industries survive the problems created by the mining boom and not stick our heads in the sand and think the billionaires will give a stuff about Australia once they have raped our resources and made a killing with our mineral wealth!!! Everyone who receives the protection of society owes a return for the benefit. John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873), On Liberty Well, you've done it again, Phil.....10/10. But I fear you are casting pearls before swine.... :)

nothing good about it. it was sheer crap. Once again, phil seeks to say Howard was bad and labor are good and let no FACT ever enter into the argument! Howard left a surplus. You can argue how much as long as you want but he left a surplus and zero debt. Swans last budget had a $40B deficit and we are close to $250B in debt.

any way you look at it, labor has been spending $1.2B a WEEK mover and above what comes in.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:27pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:45am: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:30am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:46am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:41pm: Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ... It's because of the hard work done by Howard and Costello that Rudd and Gillard were gifted a strong economy. Without that, I suspect we'd have been receiving money from the IMF, not handing it out. If you think Gillard and Swan are competent managers of the economy, look no further than these simple facts: - Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus - Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars - Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt. The $20 billion surplus was in the forward estimates accounting for revenue and spending for the following 4 years meaning it never eventuated due to the massive decline in revenue.....Revenue declined and the spending contained in the budget through entitlements and tax cuts put the budget into structural deficit.....Labor spent money to keep the economy afloat and prop up the budget when revenue plummeted or we would have gone into recession and seen massive job losses and a collapse of the Australian dollar!!! Because revenue still has not returned to post GFC levels the Government must cut spending from the budget and introduce more taxes to help pay for policies needed to keep the Australian economy growing and help industries suffering whilst the Australian dollar is so high!!! The mining boom is driving up the Australian dollar and harming other industries who export or compete with oversees imports....To claim the mining industry should not contribute to help the majority of Australians who are not benefiting from the mining industry would do long term harm to the economy when the mining boom ends and Australia has nothing else!!! We need to invest in the future and help industries survive the problems created by the mining boom and not stick our heads in the sand and think the billionaires will give a stuff about Australia once they have raped our resources and made a killing with our mineral wealth!!! Everyone who receives the protection of society owes a return for the benefit. John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873), On Liberty Well, you've done it again, Phil.....10/10. But I fear you are casting pearls before swine.... :) nothing good about it. it was sheer crap. Once again, phil seeks to say Howard was bad and labor are good and let no FACT ever enter into the argument! Howard left a surplus. You can argue how much as long as you want but he left a surplus and zero debt. Swans last budget had a $40B deficit and we are close to $250B in debt. any way you look at it, labor has been spending $1.2B a WEEK mover and above what comes in.

I like to prove how stupid you are Longy.....

Outlook began faltering in the Howard years


TREASURY has conceded the federal financial outlook began deteriorating as far back as 2002-03 and was already in "structural" deficit by 2006-07 despite the large headline surpluses recorded during the final years of the Howard government.

For the first time, Treasury has published official estimates of the structural component of the budget balance in this year's budget papers.

The estimates aim to strip away the cyclical, or temporary, components of the budget balance such as higher than normal tax collections due to a strongly growing economy from the structural, or permanent, components which reflect the long-term sustainability of the Government's finances.


The estimates show the structural budget surplus peaked at about 1 per cent of gross domestic product in 2002-03 just as the commodities boom got under way. Also, while the headline budget surplus continued rising after 2002-03, the structural balance steadily deteriorated and slipped into the red in 2006-07.

In that year, when the Howard government recorded a headline budget surplus of $17.2 billion, the structural deficit was about 0.3 per cent of GDP, or about $3 billion according to Treasury.

And the estimates have the structural deficit for this financial year at about 5 per cent of GDP, or $50 billion - much larger than the expected headline result of $32 billion for 2008-09.

The Treasurer, Wayne Swan, has argued in recent days that the Howard government squandered the billions of dollars in extra tax revenues that flowed into Canberra's coffers during the resources boom and failed to reform the Commonwealth's finances. The Treasury estimates lend support to Mr Swan's arguments.

But they put the budget's structural position during the Howard era in worse shape than similar estimates by the IMF and the OECD.

A director of the economic consultancy Access Economics, Chris Richardson, said yesterday that the estimates confirmed that the resources boom which got under way in 2002-03 had masked a weakening in the budget position during the economy's good times.

Article here.....
http://www.smh.com.au/business/outlook-began-faltering-in-the-howard-years-20090513-b3ef.html

Read more here.....
http://inside.org.au/the-howard-impact/

Read more here.....
http://stephenkoukoulas.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/prudent-fiscal-management-whos-your.html

As simple sorry will do!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:27pm: Kat wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:45am: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:30am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:46am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:41pm: Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ... It's because of the hard work done by Howard and Costello that Rudd and Gillard were gifted a strong economy. Without that, I suspect we'd have been receiving money from the IMF, not handing it out. If you think Gillard and Swan are competent managers of the economy, look no further than these simple facts: - Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus - Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars - Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt. The $20 billion surplus was in the forward estimates accounting for revenue and spending for the following 4 years meaning it never eventuated due to the massive decline in revenue.....Revenue declined and the spending contained in the budget through entitlements and tax cuts put the budget into structural deficit.....Labor spent money to keep the economy afloat and prop up the budget when revenue plummeted or we would have gone into recession and seen massive job losses and a collapse of the Australian dollar!!! Because revenue still has not returned to post GFC levels the Government must cut spending from the budget and introduce more taxes to help pay for policies needed to keep the Australian economy growing and help industries suffering whilst the Australian dollar is so high!!! The mining boom is driving up the Australian dollar and harming other industries who export or compete with oversees imports....To claim the mining industry should not contribute to help the majority of Australians who are not benefiting from the mining industry would do long term harm to the economy when the mining boom ends and Australia has nothing else!!! We need to invest in the future and help industries survive the problems created by the mining boom and not stick our heads in the sand and think the billionaires will give a stuff about Australia once they have raped our resources and made a killing with our mineral wealth!!! Everyone who receives the protection of society owes a return for the benefit. John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873), On Liberty Well, you've done it again, Phil.....10/10. But I fear you are casting pearls before swine.... :) nothing good about it. it was sheer crap. Once again, phil seeks to say Howard was bad and labor are good and let no FACT ever enter into the argument! Howard left a surplus. You can argue how much as long as you want but he left a surplus and zero debt. Swans last budget had a $40B deficit and we are close to $250B in debt. any way you look at it, labor has been spending $1.2B a WEEK mover and above what comes in. I like to prove how stupid you are Longy..... Outlook began faltering in the Howard years TREASURY has conceded the federal financial outlook began deteriorating as far back as 2002-03 and was already in "structural" deficit by 2006-07 despite the large headline surpluses recorded during the final years of the Howard government. For the first time, Treasury has published official estimates of the structural component of the budget balance in this year's budget papers. The estimates aim to strip away the cyclical, or temporary, components of the budget balance such as higher than normal tax collections due to a strongly growing economy from the structural, or permanent, components which reflect the long-term sustainability of the Government's finances. The estimates show the structural budget surplus peaked at about 1 per cent of gross domestic product in 2002-03 just as the commodities boom got under way. Also, while the headline budget surplus continued rising after 2002-03, the structural balance steadily deteriorated and slipped into the red in 2006-07. In that year, when the Howard government recorded a headline budget surplus of $17.2 billion, the structural deficit was about 0.3 per cent of GDP, or about $3 billion according to Treasury. And the estimates have the structural deficit for this financial year at about 5 per cent of GDP, or $50 billion - much larger than the expected headline result of $32 billion for 2008-09. The Treasurer, Wayne Swan, has argued in recent days that the Howard government squandered the billions of dollars in extra tax revenues that flowed into Canberra's coffers during the resources boom and failed to reform the Commonwealth's finances. The Treasury estimates lend support to Mr Swan's arguments. But they put the budget's structural position during the Howard era in worse shape than similar estimates by the IMF and the OECD. A director of the economic consultancy Access Economics, Chris Richardson, said yesterday that the estimates confirmed that the resources boom which got under way in 2002-03 had masked a weakening in the budget position during the economy's good times. Article here..... http://www.smh.com.au/business/outlook-began-faltering-in-the-howard-years-20090513-b3ef.html Read more here..... http://inside.org.au/the-howard-impact/ Read more here..... http://stephenkoukoulas.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/prudent-fiscal-management-whos-your.html As simple sorry will do!!! ::) ::) ::)

ah.. 'structural deficit', the deficit you are having when you arent having a deficit. I know politicians are pretty good at re-writing history but this is one of the better attempts. In short, this attempts to paint an ACTUAL surplus as a deficit while at the same time ignoring the fact that the budget swan is about to introduce and will be claiming a budget 'surplus' has actually funded this surplus throw BORROWINGS. if you want to criticise a surplus, then criticise the one that was build on borrowed money.

and it is worth noting that labor has done NOTHING to address this supposed 'structural deficit' sice coming into power.

The surplus is just political and a waste of time at this point in our economic history.
We should be looking at real cuts to spending and looking at ways of slowing the overheating mining industry to bring the Aussie dollar down to benefit the rest of the economy.
The mining boom in WA does nothing to help a manufacturer of widgets in Sydney and in fact is hurting primary industries and other exporters.
Slowing the mining boom doesn't mean all our resources suddenly disappear what it does mean is they will be around much longer the rest of our economy can have some breathing space.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 8:56am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:44am: If I wanted Australia to fail I would align myself with America and give our biggest trading partner the flick. Whether we are in boom times or crises we will align ourselves with what's white. The country that shoots praying Buddhists in the back, runs tanks over protestors and is - according to Amnesty - holding thousands of political opponents in jail on no charge? Glad to see you care a lot about human rights.

Whoever you choose to get into bed with, they will be bad guys. I'd rather go with the bad guy who is a  powerful and growing force, rather than the broke and crumbling version.

America's track record on human rights is appalling so that line of argument is redundant.

China's human rights can only improve, whilst America's are speedily regressing.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:26pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:56am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:44am: If I wanted Australia to fail I would align myself with America and give our biggest trading partner the flick. Whether we are in boom times or crises we will align ourselves with what's white. The country that shoots praying Buddhists in the back, runs tanks over protestors and is - according to Amnesty - holding thousands of political opponents in jail on no charge? Glad to see you care a lot about human rights. Whoever you choose to get into bed with, they will be bad guys. I'd rather go with the bad guy who is a  powerful and growing force, rather than the broke and crumbling version. America's track record on human rights is appalling so that line of argument is redundant. China's human rights can only improve, whilst America's are speedily regressing.

Neither China or the USA should be lecturing others on human rights.

When revenue falls as it has due to the global financial crisis the Government must cut spending or increase taxes.....However if the Government cuts spending or increases taxes during the height of an economic down turn the economy will fall into recession and take years to recover as we are finding in most other OCD countries.....Most countries reduced interest rates but also reduced spending which slowed their economies causing massive job losses and reduced revenue due to slower growth and reduced taxes!!!

Labor maintained the spending and increased stimulus spending to save the economy until the worst of the financial crisis was over and business confidence returned maintaining jobs and budget revenue!!!

Now that the economy is returning to surplus the Government can raise taxes and cut spending to address the structural deficit that relies on the revenue from the mining boom to remain in the black.....Relying on revenue from the mining boom to fund spending is short sighted and fiscally unsustainable.....Labor are now raising taxes on mining and introducing a carbon tax to help maintain the structural integrity of the budget that was eroded during the Howard spendathon....To say Labor is doing nothing about the structural deficit is stupid and typical of the Conservative way of thinking!!!

Abbott will cut spending and increase benefits to the wealthy with no way of increasing revenue to address the structural deficit in the budget.....Abbott thinks the mining boom will fund his promises and he can continue to provide handouts to the private sector and well off hand over fist to maintain political support for his own ambitions.....Abbott will destroy the Australian economy and guarantee greater hardship for all Australians in the future if he ever slithers into the top job!!!

Be careful that victories do not carry the seed of future defeats.
Ralph W. Sockman

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:23pm:

The surplus is just political and a waste of time at this point in our economic history. We should be looking at real cuts to spending and looking at ways of slowing the overheating mining industry to bring the Aussie dollar down to benefit the rest of the economy. The mining boom in WA does nothing to help a manufacturer of widgets in Sydney and in fact is hurting primary industries and other exporters. Slowing the mining boom doesn't mean all our resources suddenly disappear what it does mean is they will be around much longer the rest of our economy can have some breathing space.

You are correct.....That is what the mining resources rent tax is aimed at doing.....The Conservatives are only interested in short term political support not the future of the nation!!!

>:( >:( >:(

The fact is that Labor prevented Australia from being deeply affected by the GFC with their stimulus package.

When Labor was spending the money, the Liberals were whining on about the surplus disappearing and governement debt.

The Liberals aren't pushing that line anymore now that it is obvious that this saved Australia from ending up like other Western nations.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:24pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:41pm: Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ... actually he did. we had the worlds best economy in 2007 and before. we also were one of only a hdnful of countires to have no debt and running surplueses. you really discredit yourself with arguments like this. If anything, it is the Ray bradbury argument anyhow.

not sure where you got that info ... was it those fairies again?

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:26pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:56am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:44am: If I wanted Australia to fail I would align myself with America and give our biggest trading partner the flick. Whether we are in boom times or crises we will align ourselves with what's white. The country that shoots praying Buddhists in the back, runs tanks over protestors and is - according to Amnesty - holding thousands of political opponents in jail on no charge? Glad to see you care a lot about human rights. Whoever you choose to get into bed with, they will be bad guys. I'd rather go with the bad guy who is a  powerful and growing force, rather than the broke and crumbling version. America's track record on human rights is appalling so that line of argument is redundant. China's human rights can only improve, whilst America's are speedily regressing. Neither China or the USA should be lecturing others on human rights.

but if you had to choose, who would you choose then? That perennial idiot pansi would choose China but while America has some problems (dont we all) their human rights record towers above pretty much everyone elses.

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

When revenue falls as it has due to the global financial crisis the Government must cut spending or increase taxes.....However if the Government cuts spending or increases taxes during the height of an economic down turn the economy will fall into recession and take years to recover as we are finding in most other OCD countries.....Most countries reduced interest rates but also reduced spending which slowed their economies causing massive job losses and reduced revenue due to slower growth and reduced taxes!!! Labor maintained the spending and increased stimulus spending to save the economy until the worst of the financial crisis was over and business confidence returned maintaining jobs and budget revenue!!! Now that the economy is returning to surplus the Government can raise taxes and cut spending to address the structural deficit that relies on the revenue from the mining boom to remain in the black.....Relying on revenue from the mining boom to fund spending is short sighted and fiscally unsustainable.....Labor are now raising taxes on mining and introducing a carbon tax to help maintain the structural integrity of the budget that was eroded during the Howard spendathon....To say Labor is doing nothing about the structural deficit is stupid and typical of the Conservative way of thinking!!! Abbott will cut spending and increase benefits to the wealthy with no way of increasing revenue to address the structural deficit in the budget.....Abbott thinks the mining boom will fund his promises and he can continue to provide handouts to the private sector and well off hand over fist to maintain political support for his own ambitions.....Abbott will destroy the Australian economy and guarantee greater hardship for all Australians in the future if he ever slithers into the top job!!! Be careful that victories do not carry the seed of future defeats. Ralph W. Sockman

even by your normal abysmal standards of cheer-leading, that is crap. there is nothing 'structural' about a carbon tax. and the mining tax is mere gouging plus how is a tax solely on mining supports to help us when mining ceases? is the point of fixing this mythical strucural deficit to REDUCE our reliance on things liek mining? so labor INCREASES the mining taxes!! Way to go for doing the complete opposite of what they should be doing. And no points to you for cheering yet another ill-concieved and misdriected labor policy that will have (as usual) the absolute opposite effect as intended.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:29pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:26pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:56am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:44am: If I wanted Australia to fail I would align myself with America and give our biggest trading partner the flick. Whether we are in boom times or crises we will align ourselves with what's white. The country that shoots praying Buddhists in the back, runs tanks over protestors and is - according to Amnesty - holding thousands of political opponents in jail on no charge? Glad to see you care a lot about human rights. Whoever you choose to get into bed with, they will be bad guys. I'd rather go with the bad guy who is a  powerful and growing force, rather than the broke and crumbling version. America's track record on human rights is appalling so that line of argument is redundant. China's human rights can only improve, whilst America's are speedily regressing. Neither China or the USA should be lecturing others on human rights. but if you had to choose, who would you choose then? That perennial idiot pansi would choose China but while America has some problems (dont we all) their human rights record towers above pretty much everyone elses.

America's health care system is a sham, their education system is a sham. If you're black or Hispanic, forget about rights. They are losing civil liberties at record speed. They are turning on their own. Murder and rape rates are through the roof. They do have the death penalty in some states, whereas China have it in China.

ok, let's say China are modernising, America are rapidly approaching third world status.

I would have China over America any day. China will overcome it's repressive rule, whereas America is emerging into a repressive regime.

America is a crumbling has-been, finished but not quite ready to lie down. Even the smart Americans don't like America.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 4:01pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:29pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:26pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:56am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:44am: If I wanted Australia to fail I would align myself with America and give our biggest trading partner the flick. Whether we are in boom times or crises we will align ourselves with what's white. The country that shoots praying Buddhists in the back, runs tanks over protestors and is - according to Amnesty - holding thousands of political opponents in jail on no charge? Glad to see you care a lot about human rights. Whoever you choose to get into bed with, they will be bad guys. I'd rather go with the bad guy who is a  powerful and growing force, rather than the broke and crumbling version. America's track record on human rights is appalling so that line of argument is redundant. China's human rights can only improve, whilst America's are speedily regressing. Neither China or the USA should be lecturing others on human rights. but if you had to choose, who would you choose then? That perennial idiot pansi would choose China but while America has some problems (dont we all) their human rights record towers above pretty much everyone elses. America's health care system is a sham, their education system is a sham. If you're black or Hispanic, forget about rights. They are losing civil liberties at record speed. They are turning on their own. Murder and rape rates are through the roof. They do have the death penalty in some states, whereas China have it in China. ok, let's say China are modernising, America are rapidly approaching third world status. I would have China over America any day. China will overcome it's repressive rule, whereas America is emerging into a repressive regime. America is a crumbling has-been, finished but not quite ready to lie down. Even the smart Americans don't like America.

you are a fool pansi, not that that is any news to anyone. if you think Chinas human rights are better than the USA then you do nothing more than declare to everyone who reads it that you are an idiot of truly epic proportions.  And pretty much no one would disagree expected perhaps vegy and DRAH. hardly inspiring company.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:23pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 4:13pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 4:01pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:29pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:26pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:56am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:44am: If I wanted Australia to fail I would align myself with America and give our biggest trading partner the flick. Whether we are in boom times or crises we will align ourselves with what's white. The country that shoots praying Buddhists in the back, runs tanks over protestors and is - according to Amnesty - holding thousands of political opponents in jail on no charge? Glad to see you care a lot about human rights. Whoever you choose to get into bed with, they will be bad guys. I'd rather go with the bad guy who is a  powerful and growing force, rather than the broke and crumbling version. America's track record on human rights is appalling so that line of argument is redundant. China's human rights can only improve, whilst America's are speedily regressing. Neither China or the USA should be lecturing others on human rights. but if you had to choose, who would you choose then? That perennial idiot pansi would choose China but while America has some problems (dont we all) their human rights record towers above pretty much everyone elses. America's health care system is a sham, their education system is a sham. If you're black or Hispanic, forget about rights. They are losing civil liberties at record speed. They are turning on their own. Murder and rape rates are through the roof. They do have the death penalty in some states, whereas China have it in China. ok, let's say China are modernising, America are rapidly approaching third world status. I would have China over America any day. China will overcome it's repressive rule, whereas America is emerging into a repressive regime. America is a crumbling has-been, finished but not quite ready to lie down. Even the smart Americans don't like America. you are a fool pansi, not that that is any news to anyone. if you think Chinas human rights are better than the USA then you do nothing more than declare to everyone who reads it that you are an idiot of truly epic proportions.  And pretty much no one would disagree expected perhaps vegy and DRAH. hardly inspiring company.

You are a dullard who cannot comprehend the written word longweekend.

Please highlight where I said China's human rights are better than America's.

We all know they both have atrocious human rights records.

I said China has a chance to improve theirs, developing nation and all. America's human rights are deteriorating at a rapid rate.

See....one country bad human rights....improving

other country bad human rights.....deteriorating

Get someone at home to explain it to you if you're having trouble. They couldn't all be as thick as you surely.

The good thing about China is if the neighbours dog is annoying you by barking all night you can pay a bribe to a policeman and he will gladly shoot it for you.
That's a system we need in this country  :)

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 5:27pm:

The good thing about China is if the neighbours dog is annoying you by barking all night you can pay a bribe to a policeman and he will gladly shoot it for you. That's a system we need in this country  :)

Yeah and pay a little bit more and you've taken care of next weeks food bill.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 5:43pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 5:27pm: The good thing about China is if the neighbours dog is annoying you by barking all night you can pay a bribe to a policeman and he will gladly shoot it for you. That's a system we need in this country  :) Yeah and pay a little bit more and you've taken care of next weeks food bill.

As long as its a well looked after pedigree its lip smacking good.

At the end of the day the greenies are losers who cant even tie their own shoe laces, once we get rid of the dole they will either have to work or go somewhere else to whinge and sponge.

Prevailing wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

At the end of the day the greenies are losers who cant even tie their own shoe laces, once we get rid of the dole they will either have to work or go somewhere else to whinge and sponge.

Sandals don't have laces so the jokes on you  :P

If I wanted Australia to fail, I guess, I wouldn't change a thing.
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No doubt Wayne Swan will reveal on Tuesday 8 May* that he has ‘delivered’ a Budget surplus in 2012-13.

Of course that is nonsense. The 2011-12 Final Budget Outcome won’t be released until the end of September 2012, and that for 2012-13 will be the end of September 2013.

As has been noted elsewhere, the Government will deploy many tricks to reach a modest forecast surplus in 2012-13, including bringing forward expenditure to 2011-12, claiming more money from cracking down on tax avoidance, etc.

But the real doozy is the continued off-budget accounting of the national broadband network.

There is no sensible case for this to be off-budget, since it is not viable without substantial government funding which means that it should be treated on budget as either a community service obligation or grant.

The money spent in 2012-13 by the Government on the NBN is just the same as money spent on any other aspect of the Budget and increases the Government’s borrowing requirements (even if hidden through a separate structure). In other words, Australian Government debt is higher because of the NBN than in its absence.

Tony Abbott, Joe Hockey and Andrew Robb should declare the intention to correct this egregious treatment in the budget. They should state that, if elected, a Coalition Government would treat NBN expenditure on budget as it should be.

That would blow Swan’s pseudo-surplus out of the water.

Wayne Swan has never delivered a budget surplus. He never will.

*  Yes, Bill Shorten, the Budget is traditionally tabled on the second Tuesday in May since it moved from August. Perhaps you got confused over the Budget and RBA meetings?
http://catallaxyfiles.com/2012/04/25/swans-budget/

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 10:10pm:

Wayne Swan has never delivered a budget surplus. He never will.

The fact that you think this is so important only emphasises your ignorance.

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 10:55pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:10pm: Wayne Swan has never delivered a budget surplus. He never will. The fact that you think this is so important only emphasises your ignorance.

Why would you think Swann is ignorant and if you don't, then does Swann not think it important to percieve that he is bringing in a surplus.