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Message started by Spot of Borg on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 11:17am

Title: Anzac Day
Post by Spot of Borg on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 11:17am
Well here it comes. A public holiday in the middle of the week. Just what I need. Now my delivery will be delayed and for what? To remember some soldiers? Well I actually do remember them. I was there. I wasnt a soldier but I was in Vietnam during the war. Why should it be a public holiday though? I can remember them just fine without. And most people DONT remember it.

Aussie aussie aussie oi oi oi

SOB

PS just playing devils advocate here dont get too upset

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 11:20am
Well it makes more sense then the queens birthday or some religious crap.
Oi oi oi

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by MOTR on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 11:23am
Would you like your blindfold now or cigarette?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Avram Horowitz on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:05pm
I am not Australian but i will attend a service at the university too.

People who has not served in the army do not have the same understanding that we who have been in the army do.

I am still a Reservist and will be so for the next 20 years too.

My admiration is for Australian soldiers who has fight and died for the freedom you enjoy in this country today.

I admire their sacrific and courage.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:12pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:05pm:
I am not Australian but i will attend a service at the university too.

People who has not served in the army do not have the same understanding that we who have been in the army do.

I am still a Reservist and will be so for the next 20 years too.

My admiration is for Australian soldiers who has fight and died for the freedom you enjoy in this country today.

I admire their sacrific and courage.

You will find that Australians, although the most secular people in the world, have a deep respect for ANZAC Day (more than any other day of observance), which could be considered quasi-religious.

I recommend going to the Dawn Service... Recently attendance has been estimated at between 50,000 to over 100,000 in major centres.

There is usually a Jewish service after the main ceremony.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:14pm
I'm anti war, but it's a nice gesture for those that have been to war.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Avram Horowitz on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:17pm
99.9% of people in this world are anti-war.

I did not know any body in the army who wanted to fight a war.

Includes me.


Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:19pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:17pm:
99.9% of people in this world are anti-war.

I did not know any body in the army who wanted to fight a war.

Includes me.
Shouldn’t invade countries then

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Avram Horowitz on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:19pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:12pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:05pm:
I am not Australian but i will attend a service at the university too.

People who has not served in the army do not have the same understanding that we who have been in the army do.

I am still a Reservist and will be so for the next 20 years too.

My admiration is for Australian soldiers who has fight and died for the freedom you enjoy in this country today.

I admire their sacrific and courage.

You will find that Australians, although the most secular people in the world, have a deep respect for ANZAC Day (more than any other day of observance), which could be considered quasi-religious.

I recommend going to the Dawn Service... Recently attendance has been estimated at between 50,000 to over 100,000 in major centres.

There is usually a Jewish service after the main ceremony.



Yes there is a Jewish service in the morning, which i will go to on wednesday with my friends.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:22pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:19pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:17pm:
99.9% of people in this world are anti-war.

I did not know any body in the army who wanted to fight a war.

Includes me.
Shouldn’t invade countries then

Afghanistan? Iraq?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:30pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:22pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:19pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:17pm:
99.9% of people in this world are anti-war.

I did not know any body in the army who wanted to fight a war.

Includes me.
Shouldn’t invade countries then

Afghanistan? Iraq?

What about them?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:34pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:30pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:22pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:19pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:17pm:
99.9% of people in this world are anti-war.

I did not know any body in the army who wanted to fight a war.

Includes me.
Shouldn’t invade countries then

Afghanistan? Iraq?

What about them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPy7fU5jr70

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:34pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:17pm:
99.9% of people in this world are anti-war.

I did not know any body in the army who wanted to fight a war.

Includes me.


The politicians are clearly not part of the 99.9% are they?

Those who join the military are not anti war.

By anti war, I mean anti killing, anti fighting, anti all hostilities against other nations.

No one is coming to harm me, I feel quite safe, so no one is saving me from the big bad terrorists.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:37pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:34pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:30pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:22pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:19pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:17pm:
99.9% of people in this world are anti-war.

I did not know any body in the army who wanted to fight a war.

Includes me.
Shouldn’t invade countries then

Afghanistan? Iraq?

What about them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmKTVEyq1HU

What is your point?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by life_goes_on on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:40pm

Quote:
I did not know any body in the army who wanted to fight a war.


That's what you get with conscripts. Professional soldiers hold the opposing view.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:40pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:37pm:
What is your point?

Galloway makes the point regarding the circumstances of Iraq's invasion, which the Australian people (through our government) endorsed, supported and participated in.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PZ547 on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:40pm
If there existed a register for those who object to say, Anzac Day, could be signed

maybe politicians would begin to get the hint

Or, maybe it could be arranged so that those who object to Anzac Day could do volunteer work on that day and take their forfeited Anzac Day in place of one of their sickies, or have it added to their annual holidays ?

Be interesting so see how many would participate in such a scheme

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:42pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:40pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:37pm:
What is your point?

Galloway makes the point regarding the circumstances of Iraq's invasion, which the Australian people (through our government) endorsed, supported and participated in.

By this logic we should be invading the USA

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:44pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:42pm:
By this logic we should be invading the USA

Why? We are a vassal state to the US... To invade our overlords would be... treason?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:47pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:44pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:42pm:
By this logic we should be invading the USA

Why? We are a vassal state to the US... To invade our overlords would be... treason?

So you are saying that what Saddam did would have been acceptable if he was American?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:50pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:47pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:44pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:42pm:
By this logic we should be invading the USA

Why? We are a vassal state to the US... To invade our overlords would be... treason?

So you are saying that what Saddam did would have been acceptable if he was American?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPy7fU5jr70

I'm saying that if the US invaded Papua New Guinea it would be endorsed and supported by Australia.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Spot of Borg on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:53pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:47pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:44pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:42pm:
By this logic we should be invading the USA

Why? We are a vassal state to the US... To invade our overlords would be... treason?

So you are saying that what Saddam did would have been acceptable if he was American?


Actually since you put it that way yeah - prolly. What did he do really? He didnt fly any planes into any trade towers. He didnt have any WMDs (though that would have been acceptible if he was american).

SOB

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:55pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:50pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:47pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:44pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:42pm:
By this logic we should be invading the USA

Why? We are a vassal state to the US... To invade our overlords would be... treason?

So you are saying that what Saddam did would have been acceptable if he was American?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPy7fU5jr70

I'm saying that if the US invaded Papua New Guinea it would be endorsed and supported by Australia.

But only because the US says so.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PZ547 on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:57pm
And the US is vassal state to which entity ?  And quite open about it


Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:00pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:55pm:
But only because the US says so.

"We were only following orders" ??

That would be no defence in any court of law for any other crime (international or domestic).

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:05pm

PZ547 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:57pm:
And the US is vassal state to which entity ?  And quite open about it
Exactly

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:00pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:55pm:
But only because the US says so.

"We were only following orders" ??

That would be no defence in any court of law for any other crime (international or domestic).
When did I say it was.
You really do not make much sense.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:07pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:05pm:

PZ547 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:57pm:
And the US is vassal state to which entity ?  And quite open about it
Exactly

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:00pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:55pm:
But only because the US says so.

"We were only following orders" ??

That would be no defence in any court of law for any other crime (international or domestic).
When did I say it was.
You really do not make much sense.

Then you'll have clarify "But only because the US says so."

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:10pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:07pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:05pm:

PZ547 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:57pm:
And the US is vassal state to which entity ?  And quite open about it
Exactly

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:00pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:55pm:
But only because the US says so.

"We were only following orders" ??

That would be no defence in any court of law for any other crime (international or domestic).
When did I say it was.
You really do not make much sense.

Then you'll have clarify "But only because the US says so."


It was in response to:

Quote:
I'm saying that if the US invaded Papua New Guinea it would be endorsed and supported by Australia.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:12pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:10pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:07pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:05pm:

PZ547 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:57pm:
And the US is vassal state to which entity ?  And quite open about it
Exactly

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:00pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:55pm:
But only because the US says so.

"We were only following orders" ??

That would be no defence in any court of law for any other crime (international or domestic).
When did I say it was.
You really do not make much sense.

Then you'll have clarify "But only because the US says so."


It was in response to:

Quote:
I'm saying that if the US invaded Papua New Guinea it would be endorsed and supported by Australia.

Meaning we would be ordered by our overlords to endorse and support the action?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:15pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:12pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:10pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:07pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:05pm:

PZ547 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:57pm:
And the US is vassal state to which entity ?  And quite open about it
Exactly

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:00pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:55pm:
But only because the US says so.

"We were only following orders" ??

That would be no defence in any court of law for any other crime (international or domestic).
When did I say it was.
You really do not make much sense.

Then you'll have clarify "But only because the US says so."


It was in response to:

Quote:
I'm saying that if the US invaded Papua New Guinea it would be endorsed and supported by Australia.

Meaning we would be ordered by our overlords to endorse and support the action?

In a way yes

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:21pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:12pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:10pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:07pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:05pm:

PZ547 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:57pm:
And the US is vassal state to which entity ?  And quite open about it
Exactly

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:00pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:55pm:
But only because the US says so.

"We were only following orders" ??

That would be no defence in any court of law for any other crime (international or domestic).
When did I say it was.
You really do not make much sense.

Then you'll have clarify "But only because the US says so."


It was in response to:

Quote:
I'm saying that if the US invaded Papua New Guinea it would be endorsed and supported by Australia.

Meaning we would be ordered by our overlords to endorse and support the action?

In a way yes

So we'd "only be following orders" ?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:23pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:21pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:12pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:10pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:07pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:05pm:

PZ547 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:57pm:
And the US is vassal state to which entity ?  And quite open about it
Exactly

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:00pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:55pm:
But only because the US says so.

"We were only following orders" ??

That would be no defence in any court of law for any other crime (international or domestic).
When did I say it was.
You really do not make much sense.

Then you'll have clarify "But only because the US says so."


It was in response to:

Quote:
I'm saying that if the US invaded Papua New Guinea it would be endorsed and supported by Australia.

Meaning we would be ordered by our overlords to endorse and support the action?

In a way yes

So we'd "only be following orders" ?
Yes, and your point?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:39pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:23pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:21pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:12pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:10pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:07pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:05pm:

PZ547 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:57pm:
And the US is vassal state to which entity ?  And quite open about it
Exactly

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:00pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:55pm:
But only because the US says so.

"We were only following orders" ??

That would be no defence in any court of law for any other crime (international or domestic).
When did I say it was.
You really do not make much sense.

Then you'll have clarify "But only because the US says so."


It was in response to:

Quote:
I'm saying that if the US invaded Papua New Guinea it would be endorsed and supported by Australia.

Meaning we would be ordered by our overlords to endorse and support the action?

In a way yes

So we'd "only be following orders" ?
Yes, and your point?

I think you're agreeing with me!!

We (the people) are responsible for our own actions... Blind endorsement of our overlord's actions are the actions of a slavish people who should not expect exoneration, via diminished responsibility, arising from our innate need to be led.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Avram Horowitz on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:40pm
The USA is totally different to Australia for military action?

Australis was not in Somalia?
Australia was not in Bosnia or Kosovo?
Australia is not in Central America?

Australia is not involved in Israel-Palestinian disputes?


Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:42pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:39pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:23pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:21pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:12pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:10pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:07pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:05pm:

PZ547 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:57pm:
And the US is vassal state to which entity ?  And quite open about it
Exactly

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:00pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:55pm:
But only because the US says so.

"We were only following orders" ??

That would be no defence in any court of law for any other crime (international or domestic).
When did I say it was.
You really do not make much sense.

Then you'll have clarify "But only because the US says so."


It was in response to:

Quote:
I'm saying that if the US invaded Papua New Guinea it would be endorsed and supported by Australia.

Meaning we would be ordered by our overlords to endorse and support the action?

In a way yes

So we'd "only be following orders" ?
Yes, and your point?

I think you're agreeing with me!!

We (the people) are responsible for our own actions... Blind endorsement of our overlord's actions are the actions of a slavish people who should not expect exoneration via diminished responsibility due to our innate need to be led.
I think you will find I never disagreed that we are taking orders from the US.


Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:45pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:40pm:
The USA is totally different to Australia for military action?

Australis was not in Somalia?
Australia was not in Bosnia or Kosovo?
Australia is not in Central America?

Australia is not involved in Israel-Palestinian disputes?

we were never requested to be involved. Modern European conflicts are managed by NATO. The US manages South American conflicts alone. Somalia was a mistake for which the US anticipated humanitarian kudos... It didn't receive any.


Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Avram Horowitz on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 3:03pm
I will enjoy the service I am sure.

I am interested to see the different style in compared to services of rememberance I have attended in previous years.

Your secular comment is interesting.

Why do you believe Australia is so more secular than other countries of similar people?
Is it because it is other side of the world to every one else and away from it?

I agree that it is but I wonder why?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 3:28pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 3:03pm:
I will enjoy the service I am sure.

I am interested to see the different style in compared to services of rememberance I have attended in previous years.

Your secular comment is interesting.

Why do you believe Australia is so more secular than other countries of similar people?
Is it because it is other side of the world to every one else and away from it?

I agree that it is but I wonder why?

From what foreigners have told me of their experience of ANZAC Day, non Australians also believe this day to be special and unique. There is a genuine sense of respect, not just for Australia's military contributions around the world (focussing on Gallipoli), but also a palpable awareness of the fragility of peace. There is also a genuine atmosphere of goodwill. It is well worth you attending the Dawn Service to get a true sense of the reverence Australians have for the day.

Do I really think Australia is more secular than other countries? Well, I think I am being a bit parochial on that point... Which is not to say I don't think Australia is (at least one of) the world's most secular nation/s.

The reason I believe it is secular, has a lot to do with our innate suspicion of authority (despite - and paradoxically notwithstanding - our innate need to be led by powerful nations) regardless of whether that authority is political or religious. I'd attribute that to Australia's Irish influence.

Most importantly though, ANZAC Day commemorates the nation's greatest founding myth. Our ANZAC soldiers now have the status similar in stature to ancient Greek heroes.


Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Avram Horowitz on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 3:36pm
I think you are correct on secular part of Australia.

I do not compare to my country because we are officially a Jewish state and allow any Jew to return so we are obvious unfair comparison.

But you has a Prime Minister who do not believe in any religion - this would never happen I do not think in the USA or some european country.
I definitely do not think would happen in Ireland.

So yes you are different.
I do not think is bad, I am secular too. I am a Jew who only observe some religious things etc but I am passion about the Jewish people though.

I like service to remember bravery of soldiers, it is very important.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 3:45pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 3:36pm:
But you has a Prime Minister who do not believe in any religion - this would never happen I do not think in the USA or some european country.
I definitely do not think would happen in Ireland.

So yes you are different.

yes, I think Australia will see more "out of the closet" atheist heads of government from now on.


Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 3:36pm:
I do not think is bad, I am secular too. I am a Jew who only observe some religious things etc but I am passion about the Jewish people though.

I like service to remember bravery of soldiers, it is very important.

I think you will appreciate the reciting of Kaddish at a Jewish memorial on ANZAC Day.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Spot of Borg on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 3:47pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 3:36pm:
I think you are correct on secular part of Australia.

I do not compare to my country because we are officially a Jewish state and allow any Jew to return so we are obvious unfair comparison.

But you has a Prime Minister who do not believe in any religion - this would never happen I do not think in the USA or some european country.
I definitely do not think would happen in Ireland.

So yes you are different.
I do not think is bad, I am secular too. I am a Jew who only observe some religious things etc but I am passion about the Jewish people though.

I like service to remember bravery of soldiers, it is very important.


Wow. An atheist. I didnt know that. But I heard her say some strange things . . . . why is she against gay marriage then? Since gays NOT getting married is an xtian thing?

SOB

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Spot of Borg on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 10:19am
Seems we are going to label the ppl that "remember"

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8455628/new-pin-to-recognise-families-of-diggers

SOB

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by chimera on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 12:56pm
Israel is being intruded into this. The reason that Israel exists today is religion. Even secular Jews identify with the historical kingdoms which existed because of religion.
UK and US identify with the monarch of the Angicans , Defender of Faith, and In God We Trust.
Oz didn't declare any wars, even East Timor was set-up for us by US. We just supply men who are messed-up by pom and yank experts.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Uncle Meat on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 1:09pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:34pm:
No one is coming to harm me, I feel quite safe, so no one is saving me from the big bad terrorists.



Exactly right.

Ironically though, our involvement in OS military action is doing nothing to protect us in the future.

And the money-hungry war machine continues to rev its engines ...   ::)

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by red baron on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 2:59pm
Spot of Borg...In reply to your initial post; we pause for the Public Holiday to remember those that have paid the ultimate price for their Country.

If it wasn't for those kids on the Kokoda Track, you'd most probably be speaking Japanese or your great grandmother might have ended up on the wrong end of a Japanese bayonet.

So whilst the rest of the Nation takes pause, to thank the fallen for the ultimate price that they paid for our freedoms; perhaps you could do a bit of volunteer work in the local Hospital, to salve that terrible conscience you have, in having to take the day off.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Spot of Borg on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:40pm

red baron wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 2:59pm:
Spot of Borg...In reply to your initial post; we pause for the Public Holiday to remember those that have paid the ultimate price for their Country.

If it wasn't for those kids on the Kokoda Track, you'd most probably be speaking Japanese or your great grandmother might have ended up on the wrong end of a Japanese bayonet.

So whilst the rest of the Nation takes pause, to thank the fallen for the ultimate price that they paid for our freedoms; perhaps you could do a bit of volunteer work in the local Hospital, to salve that terrible conscience you have, in having to take the day off.


Ah. Good to see another literary genius who reads and comprehends entire posts.

SOB

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Swagman on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:45pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:34pm:
  No one is coming to harm me, I feel quite safe, so no one is saving me from the big bad terrorists.


.......and why are you safe? :(

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by FriYAY on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:54pm
A bit pedantic I know, but let’s not forget that New Guinea was far more than Kokoda. Milne Bay, Gona etc.



Sacrifice        Courage        Mateship          Endurance



Lest we forget.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Uncle Meat on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:55pm

Swagman wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:45pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:34pm:
  No one is coming to harm me, I feel quite safe, so no one is saving me from the big bad terrorists.


.......and why are you safe? :(






:-/

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by red baron on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:09pm
Yes FriAYY...Yes and all those places you mentioned. Not that many people realise that it was the Australian Army in the form of those 18 to 21 year olds, who made up the bulk of our infantry in New Guinea, who were the first forces to stop the might of the Japanese Army. 

Our 8th Division finally arrived from the Middle East to bolster our Forces but it was our kids who took on the best the Japs had and beat the bastards!

And they were the cream troops, the Japs had. They were fresh from butchering possibly millions of Chinese in mainland China.

It would be fanciful to think the same fate, would not have awaited our own families on the mainland. God bless those brave young souls, we owe them a debt we can never repay. The same debt is owed to all those who pick up arms in the name of their Country, they are not politicians and serve where they are told to serve. They are the bravest of the brave.

If you want to read about them..I recommend Kokoda by Peter Fitzsimmons...He humanises their story.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by FriYAY on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:22pm

red baron wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:09pm:
Yes FriAYY...Yes and all those places you mentioned. Not that many people realise that it was the Australian Army in the form of those 18 to 21 year olds, who made up the bulk of our infantry in New Guinea, who were the first forces to stop the might of the Japanese Army. 

Our 8th Division finally arrived from the Middle East to bolster our Forces but it was our kids who took on the best the Japs had and beat the bastards!

And they were the cream troops, the Japs had. They were fresh from butchering possibly millions of Chinese in mainland China.

It would be fanciful to think the same fate, would not have awaited our own families on the mainland. God bless those brave young souls, we owe them a debt we can never repay. The same debt is owed to all those who pick up arms in the name of their Country, they are not politicians and serve where they are told to serve. They are the bravest of the brave.

If you want to read about them..I recommend Kokoda by Peter Fitzsimmons...He humanises their story.


Good book.

My brother takes groups of abused and disadvantaged kids to Kakoda, they are put with a mentor and all work as a team to get though the trek together.

This year will be his 6th trip.

Also good reading – A Bastard of a Place (author slips my mind at the moment)

My grand-dad was 2/14th.


Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by red baron on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:31pm
Then my friend FriYAY you have great genes!

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by FriYAY on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:48pm

red baron wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:31pm:
Then my friend FriYAY you have great genes!


Thank you sir, I believe I have.

On another note…..

My better half’s dad was a policeman.

She tells me my snoring is comforting!

When pressed, she says that if she could hear her dad snoring, that meant he was home safe from work and she too could now sleep.

So many people condemn the police for their own narcissistic reasons, they really
have no idea.

I think she has great genes also.
;)

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Kat on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:58pm
My grand-dad was in New Guinea in WW2.

I never knew him, he died in 1956, but Mom always
said it was the war that killed him, it just took a long
time to do it.

I've had mates and relatives in Korea and 'Nam.

Another mate's dad was in the Wehrmacht, and
another's was in the Luftwaffe. Another's mom
drove a T34 at the Battle of Kursk.

I take my hat off to ALL who served. Unreservedly.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by red baron on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:44pm
onya Kat! have a great Anzac Day! I'm off to march in Sydney this year. I normally do the local one in Springwood in the Mountains.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 8:58pm
They shall not grow old, as we that are left grow old
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.

Lest we forget.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 9:17pm
FIRST GRAVE: It will make our heap of stones for ever England, apparently.

SECOND GRAVE: It can scarcely do that to my portion of it. I was a Turk.

FIRST GRAVE: What! A Turk! You a Turk? And I have lain beside you for seven years and never known!

SECOND GRAVE: How should you have known? What is there to know except that I am your brother?

FIRST GRAVE: I am yours...

SECOND GRAVE: All is dead except that. All graves are one. It is their unity that sanctifies them, and some day even the living will learn this.

FIRST GRAVE: Ah, but why can they not learn it while they are still alive?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Swagman on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 9:57pm

FriYAY wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:22pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:09pm:
Yes FriAYY...Yes and all those places you mentioned. Not that many people realise that it was the Australian Army in the form of those 18 to 21 year olds, who made up the bulk of our infantry in New Guinea, who were the first forces to stop the might of the Japanese Army. 

Our 8th Division finally arrived from the Middle East to bolster our Forces but it was our kids who took on the best the Japs had and beat the bastards!

And they were the cream troops, the Japs had. They were fresh from butchering possibly millions of Chinese in mainland China.

It would be fanciful to think the same fate, would not have awaited our own families on the mainland. God bless those brave young souls, we owe them a debt we can never repay. The same debt is owed to all those who pick up arms in the name of their Country, they are not politicians and serve where they are told to serve. They are the bravest of the brave.

If you want to read about them..I recommend Kokoda by Peter Fitzsimmons...He humanises their story.


Good book.

My brother takes groups of abused and disadvantaged kids to Kakoda, they are put with a mentor and all work as a team to get though the trek together.

This year will be his 6th trip.

Also good reading – A Bastard of a Place (author slips my mind at the moment)

My grand-dad was 2/14th.


My Great Uncle was 6th Div 2/2 .....killed in action 20/10/42 Templeton's Crossing on the Track he was 34 & his brother was 7th Div 2/3 Pnr. KIA (3 days later) 23/10/42 El Alamein aged 38 (not all were young fellas) 

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by chimera on Apr 24th, 2012 at 8:18am
Around 100 million died in total from wars last century.
The Germans had an automatic mobilisation and invasion order in 1914 which compelled war.
The French strangle-hold on German wealth after 1919 prompted Hitler.
The UK & US strangle-hold on Japan in 1930 prompted Peral Harbor.
Vietnam was to display the size of US testicles.
Lest we forget.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Spot of Borg on Apr 24th, 2012 at 8:19am

red baron wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:44pm:
onya Kat! have a great Anzac Day! I'm off to march in Sydney this year. I normally do the local one in Springwood in the Mountains.


Huh. I used to be in the blue mountains city band and marched every year for a while.

SOB

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by red baron on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:10am
Feeling in a happy mood today are we chimera?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by chimera on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:26am
In memory of a mate named Trevor , died in Vietnam an ally of US today.
Let's sing:
And the young people ask,
"What are they marching for?"
And I ask myself the same question.
And the band played Waltzing Matilda"


Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:29am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urtiyp-G6jY

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by FriYAY on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:01pm

chimera wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 8:18am:
Around 100 million died in total from wars last century.
The Germans had an automatic mobilisation and invasion order in 1914 which compelled war.
The French strangle-hold on German wealth after 1919 prompted Hitler.
The UK & US strangle-hold on Japan in 1930 prompted Peral Harbor.
Vietnam was to display the size of US testicles.
Lest we forget.


That’s right, the French strangle hold on German finances caused Hitler to steam roll Czechoslovakia and Poland as Chamberlain sailed across the ditch announcing “peace in our time”

You Idiot

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:03pm
Hitler was funded by the jews, not to mention the amount of jews that profited off the war and got their businesses started by it.
Strange people never criticize them.
Guess its not so much about what the Nazis did, but who was doing it.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by FriYAY on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:07pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:03pm:
Hitler was funded by the jews, not to mention the amount of jews that profited off the war and got their businesses started by it.
Strange people never criticize them.
Guess its not so much about what the Nazis did, but who was doing it.


Start a Jew bashing thread elsewhere pimple. Go on piss off out of this thread.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:08pm

FriYAY wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:07pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:03pm:
Hitler was funded by the jews, not to mention the amount of jews that profited off the war and got their businesses started by it.
Strange people never criticize them.
Guess its not so much about what the Nazis did, but who was doing it.


Start a Jew bashing thread elsewhere pimple. Go on piss off out of this thread.
I wasnt the one who mentioned finance, not my fault the jews were involved with it.
How is it jew bashing anyway?
Good to see you still cant answer anything directly.
Lets see an actual response on the issue?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by FriYAY on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:16pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:08pm:

FriYAY wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:07pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:03pm:
Hitler was funded by the jews, not to mention the amount of jews that profited off the war and got their businesses started by it.
Strange people never criticize them.
Guess its not so much about what the Nazis did, but who was doing it.


Start a Jew bashing thread elsewhere pimple. Go on piss off out of this thread.
I wasnt the one who mentioned finance, not my fault the jews were involved with it.
How is it jew bashing anyway?
Good to see you still cant answer anything directly.
Lets see an actual response on the issue?


Start a thread pimple.



Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:17pm

FriYAY wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:16pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:08pm:

FriYAY wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:07pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:03pm:
Hitler was funded by the jews, not to mention the amount of jews that profited off the war and got their businesses started by it.
Strange people never criticize them.
Guess its not so much about what the Nazis did, but who was doing it.


Start a Jew bashing thread elsewhere pimple. Go on piss off out of this thread.
I wasnt the one who mentioned finance, not my fault the jews were involved with it.
How is it jew bashing anyway?
Good to see you still cant answer anything directly.
Lets see an actual response on the issue?


Start a thread pimple.

Answer it you spineless piece of ignorant crap paedophile supporter.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by gizmo_2655 on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:23pm

Swagman wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 9:57pm:

FriYAY wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:22pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:09pm:
Yes FriAYY...Yes and all those places you mentioned. Not that many people realise that it was the Australian Army in the form of those 18 to 21 year olds, who made up the bulk of our infantry in New Guinea, who were the first forces to stop the might of the Japanese Army. 

Our 8th Division finally arrived from the Middle East to bolster our Forces but it was our kids who took on the best the Japs had and beat the bastards!

And they were the cream troops, the Japs had. They were fresh from butchering possibly millions of Chinese in mainland China.

It would be fanciful to think the same fate, would not have awaited our own families on the mainland. God bless those brave young souls, we owe them a debt we can never repay. The same debt is owed to all those who pick up arms in the name of their Country, they are not politicians and serve where they are told to serve. They are the bravest of the brave.

If you want to read about them..I recommend Kokoda by Peter Fitzsimmons...He humanises their story.


Good book.

My brother takes groups of abused and disadvantaged kids to Kakoda, they are put with a mentor and all work as a team to get though the trek together.

This year will be his 6th trip.

Also good reading – A Bastard of a Place (author slips my mind at the moment)

My grand-dad was 2/14th.


My Great Uncle was 6th Div 2/2 .....killed in action 20/10/42 Templeton's Crossing on the Track he was 34 & his brother was 7th Div 2/3 Pnr. KIA (3 days later) 23/10/42 El Alamein aged 38 (not all were young fellas) 


Wow Swagman.....My Father was 6th Div 2/2 on the Track too...

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by FriYAY on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:27pm
[quoteauthor=033C3F3A273A30323F032623233627530 link=1335057470/68#68 date=1335233872]Answer it you spineless piece of ignorant crap paedophile supporter.[/quote]

Well MOD's if this isn't enough to can this poster what is?

For the sake of this thread, and in memory to those that served and those that paid the ultimate price i'll respond no more.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:28pm

FriYAY wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:27pm:
[quoteauthor=033C3F3A273A30323F032623233627530 link=1335057470/68#68 date=1335233872]Answer it you spineless piece of ignorant crap paedophile supporter.


Well MOD's if this isn't enough to can this poster what is?

For the sake of this thread, and in memory to those that served and those that paid the ultimate price i'll respond no more.
[/quote]
Must feel good having to tell on people cause you cant answer legitimate questions.
Real tough.
Would it not be in the memory of those who died in ww2 to expose the people who funded hitler and made it all possible?

Scum you should be hung for insulting the memory of those who died.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Avram Horowitz on Apr 24th, 2012 at 1:15pm
You are a very offensive person and you should spend some time away from this website to think about how some of the topic posts you make are offense to people.


Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by red baron on Apr 24th, 2012 at 1:41pm
PUPPET I think you have been asked by enough people on this thread to go away. If you want to expand your arguments on your subject, perhaps you might like to start your own thread.

This one is for the Anzacs and the people who honour them.

With thanks we  hope for your co-operation on the eve of a special day.

Red Baron

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Karnal on Apr 24th, 2012 at 1:55pm
Happy Anzac day, fellas. Have one for me.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by red baron on Apr 24th, 2012 at 2:01pm
You too Karnal!

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by The tolerator on Apr 24th, 2012 at 2:04pm
I don't drink beer, so I will have the missus make a batch of anzac biscuits for me to enjoy instead.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by corporate_whitey on Apr 24th, 2012 at 2:07pm
Two of my direct ancestors fought in France in the Great War, am I expected by the impudent, the presumptuous and the perverse to apologize if my heritage offends anyone tomorrow?  Didn't the lechers conduct a study on this at the tax payers expense... >:(

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Karnal on Apr 24th, 2012 at 2:19pm
Remember, boys, if you plan to have a good time, do the right thing and practice safe sex.

Lube, condoms and safe sex information will be handed out on the day.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Karnal on Apr 24th, 2012 at 2:22pm

... wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 2:04pm:
I don't drink beer, so I will have the missus make a batch of anzac biscuits for me to enjoy instead.


Are you in a float this year, old son?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by salad in on Apr 24th, 2012 at 2:58pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 11:17am:
Well I actually do remember them. I was there. I wasnt a soldier but I was in Vietnam during the war.


Were you a member of the NVA or perhaps a VC? Or maybe you were the janitor at Vung Tau keeping the crappers clean for when the diggers took a little R and R.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Karnal on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:20pm
You marching for 79, Red?

Have a cold one in the Criterion for me, old son.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Avram Horowitz on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:24pm

fvckpedosupporters wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 2:51pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 1:15pm:
You are a very offensive person and you should spend some time away from this website to think about how some of the topic posts you make are offense to people.

Naw poor little jew cant accept his people funded the Nazis.

You do realise you still use companies, probably everyday that profited off the nazis.
How come they were never exposed you ask?
Because jews own them, and they profited of the blood of your parents.

If what you have said in the past is true this should outrage you, but I wait to see your hypocritical reply and dodge the issue completley.


I can always accept truth. This is lies.

I am going to this service tomorrow but I do not know if it is custom to wear military uniform?
Can some one tell me if I would be suitable to wear?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Avram Horowitz on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:33pm
What has this to do with Anzac day?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:36pm

fvckpedosupporters wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:35pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:33pm:
What has this to do with Anzac day?

Because my countrymen may not have had to die if your scum ancestors didnt fund hitler.


The Hitler that murdered 6m of his people?
Idiot.


Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Karnal on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:37pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:24pm:

fvckpedosupporters wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 2:51pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 1:15pm:
You are a very offensive person and you should spend some time away from this website to think about how some of the topic posts you make are offense to people.

Naw poor little jew cant accept his people funded the Nazis.

You do realise you still use companies, probably everyday that profited off the nazis.
How come they were never exposed you ask?
Because jews own them, and they profited of the blood of your parents.

If what you have said in the past is true this should outrage you, but I wait to see your hypocritical reply and dodge the issue completley.


I can always accept truth. This is lies.

I am going to this service tomorrow but I do not know if it is custom to wear military uniform?
Can some one tell me if I would be suitable to wear?


A blue blazer, grey slacks, a club tie, and shoes shined so you can see your face in them.

Medals. If you don't have any medals, an Australian flag or boxing kangaroo tie pin will do.

Hats are optional.

A bit of bryl creem or Vaseline hair oil.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Avram Horowitz on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:42pm
I have my Israeli military uniform.
I will not wear this as this Aussie occasion.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Karnal on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:46pm
That's right, son. Also, no guns, thanks.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Karnal on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:47pm
Damn. I said guns.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:48pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:46pm:
That's right, son. Also, no guns, thanks.


What should he do if he sees a Palestinian?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Karnal on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:50pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:46pm:
That's right, son. Also, no guns, thanks.


What should he do if he sees a Palestinian?


He'll be right. What'll you do if you see a little bleck boostard?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:52pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:46pm:
That's right, son. Also, no guns, thanks.


What should he do if he sees a Palestinian?


He'll be right. What'll you do if you see a little bleck boostard?


Usually get a quick shoe shine, dish out a bit of God, King and Empire then move on.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Karnal on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:53pm
That's the way. Better buff up for tomorrow, old son.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by red baron on Apr 24th, 2012 at 4:05pm
Karnal, still line ball whether i march Sydney or Springwood.
Yeah but if I do..I'll be lining up with 79 Squadron, fancy you knowing that one!

Old yarn...I was on an Outback Spirit holiday and went to Darwin War Museum. Damned if they didn't have a sabre jet from 79 Sqd...I bloody well teared up...old sook that I am!

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by chimera on Apr 24th, 2012 at 4:48pm

Quote:
.That’s right, the French strangle hold on German finances caused Hitler to steam roll Czechoslovakia and Poland.. 

Yes thanks. The French had to surrender to Germans in the same rail car the Armistice was signed, after the Russian front was secured by treaty.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by chimera on Apr 24th, 2012 at 4:54pm
Anyone remember Beersheba? Freedom for Arabs and that kind of stuff?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Apr 24th, 2012 at 4:57pm

chimera wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 4:54pm:
Anyone remember Beersheba? Freedom for Arabs and that kind of stuff?



We celebrate that on Anzac Day?

The Arabs kind of lost any sympathy with most people when they started to target civilians in market places, buses and on aeroplanes.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by chimera on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:11pm
Anzacs were the men of WWI. Yanks have taken over most of Oz but does Anzac Day have to comply with US support of Israel's invasion into legal Palestine territory? Yanks weren't in the war when Anzac Cove 1915 happened.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by corporate_whitey on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:47pm

chimera wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:11pm:
Anzacs were the men of WWI. Yanks have taken over most of Oz but does Anzac Day have to comply with US support of Israel's invasion into legal Palestine territory? Yanks weren't in the war when Anzac Cove 1915 happened.

The territory of Israel is a matter of historic dispute between the West and the Ottoman Empire for centuries so please lets not pretend this is some new thing or that the Palestinians have had sovereignty time immemorial.  It was certainly an objective of the West to retake those territories in the Great War from the Ottomans and the Australian Lighthorse played a decisive role so - yes I think Israel is linked with ANZAC day. ::)

The Liberation Of Israel from the Ottoman Empire

Glory At Beersheba Charge Of The Australian Lighthorse - Lest We Forget

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRkPvUu-gcE
::) 8-)

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by bobbythebat1 on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:05pm
This is such a serious day so please forgive this serious post:


It's a day when I will remember WW1 when soldiers were forced
to go over the top of the trenches & charge against 1000's
of machine guns.
Even when such charges failed with tens of  1000's killed -
the charges were repeated in following days with more "canon fodder".
I consider that the generals & the Govt's who sent men -
often against their will - into such acts of suicide should have
been put on trial & hanged.

Instead we fool ourselves that the all the men were brave.
If they didn't go over the top they were shot by their own officers
who remained in the trenches.

It's a day to remember those poor blokes who were forced
to give their lives for no military gain.
It's also a time remember those who were brave.
It's a time to remember the horrors of war &
the peace we have enjoyed in comparison.


Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Kat on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:06pm
Israel had sod-all to do with it, Israel didn't even exist at the time.

It was Palestine, and at the time, the Palestinians (mostly Arabs, but
also Jews) were on our side.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by corporate_whitey on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:18pm
Glory to the ANZAC - the greatest and most noble soldier who ever lived - hated only by degenerates and perverts who want us to apologize for our brave Great Grandfathers... 8-)

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Swagman on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:23pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:23pm:

Swagman wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 9:57pm:

FriYAY wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:22pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:09pm:
Yes FriAYY...Yes and all those places you mentioned. Not that many people realise that it was the Australian Army in the form of those 18 to 21 year olds, who made up the bulk of our infantry in New Guinea, who were the first forces to stop the might of the Japanese Army. 

Our 8th Division finally arrived from the Middle East to bolster our Forces but it was our kids who took on the best the Japs had and beat the bastards!

And they were the cream troops, the Japs had. They were fresh from butchering possibly millions of Chinese in mainland China.

It would be fanciful to think the same fate, would not have awaited our own families on the mainland. God bless those brave young souls, we owe them a debt we can never repay. The same debt is owed to all those who pick up arms in the name of their Country, they are not politicians and serve where they are told to serve. They are the bravest of the brave.

If you want to read about them..I recommend Kokoda by Peter Fitzsimmons...He humanises their story.


Good book.

My brother takes groups of abused and disadvantaged kids to Kakoda, they are put with a mentor and all work as a team to get though the trek together.

This year will be his 6th trip.

Also good reading – A Bastard of a Place (author slips my mind at the moment)

My grand-dad was 2/14th.


My Great Uncle was 6th Div 2/2 .....killed in action 20/10/42 Templeton's Crossing on the Track he was 34 & his brother was 7th Div 2/3 Pnr. KIA (3 days later) 23/10/42 El Alamein aged 38 (not all were young fellas) 


Wow Swagman.....My Father was 6th Div 2/2 on the Track too...


Yeah, might well have known each other.  He spent time in the middle east as well.

He joined from Warrawong NSW although his family (and mine) were from Lithgow.
   

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by corporate_whitey on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:36pm
The Liberation of Israel from the Ottoman Empire was always a primary objective of the first world war, these territories had been in dispute between the West and the Ottoman Empire since the fall of the Roman Empire.  The Australian Lighthorse played a decisive role in the liberation of Israel in the Great War - glory be to the ANZACS - long live liberated Israel - ancient home of the Gallic tribes...

The Liberation Of Israel From The Illegal Captivity Of The Ottoman Empire...

Glory At Beersheba Charge Of The Australian Lighthorse - Lest We Forget

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRkPvUu-gcE
:) :) :) :) :)

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by gizmo_2655 on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:01am

Swagman wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:23pm:

Swagman wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 9:57pm:

FriYAY wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:22pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:09pm:
Yes FriAYY...Yes and all those places you mentioned. Not that many people realise that it was the Australian Army in the form of those 18 to 21 year olds, who made up the bulk of our infantry in New Guinea, who were the first forces to stop the might of the Japanese Army. 

Our 8th Division finally arrived from the Middle East to bolster our Forces but it was our kids who took on the best the Japs had and beat the bastards!

And they were the cream troops, the Japs had. They were fresh from butchering possibly millions of Chinese in mainland China.

It would be fanciful to think the same fate, would not have awaited our own families on the mainland. God bless those brave young souls, we owe them a debt we can never repay. The same debt is owed to all those who pick up arms in the name of their Country, they are not politicians and serve where they are told to serve. They are the bravest of the brave.

If you want to read about them..I recommend Kokoda by Peter Fitzsimmons...He humanises their story.


Good book.

My brother takes groups of abused and disadvantaged kids to Kakoda, they are put with a mentor and all work as a team to get though the trek together.

This year will be his 6th trip.

Also good reading – A Bastard of a Place (author slips my mind at the moment)

My grand-dad was 2/14th.


My Great Uncle was 6th Div 2/2 .....killed in action 20/10/42 Templeton's Crossing on the Track he was 34 & his brother was 7th Div 2/3 Pnr. KIA (3 days later) 23/10/42 El Alamein aged 38 (not all were young fellas) 


Wow Swagman.....My Father was 6th Div 2/2 on the Track too...


Yeah, might well have known each other.  He spent time in the middle east as well.

He joined from Warrawong NSW although his family (and mine) were from Lithgow.
   


Yeah Dad joined in 1941, and served in New Guinea, the Middle East and Sri Lanka...

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Karnal on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:01am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:05pm:
This is such a serious day so please forgive this serious post:


It's a day when I will remember WW1 when soldiers were forced
to go over the top of the trenches & charge against 1000's
of machine guns.
Even when such charges failed with tens of  1000's killed -
the charges were repeated in following days with more "canon fodder".
I consider that the generals & the Govt's who sent men -
often against their will - into such acts of suicide should have
been put on trial & hanged.

Instead we fool ourselves that the all the men were brave.
If they didn't go over the top they were shot by their own officers
who remained in the trenches.

It's a day to remember those poor blokes who were forced
to give their lives for no military gain.
It's also a time remember those who were brave.
It's a time to remember the horrors of war &
the peace we have enjoyed in comparison.


Good post, Bat. That's made my day.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by corporate_whitey on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:58am
ANZAC day is the one thing the perverts cannot take from us - so much of our identity and who we are is wrapped up in the ANZAC day memorial when we as a country remember our ancestors and what they done for us and sacrificed to make us their descendants free....Lest we forget... :) :) :) :)

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Imperium on Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:25am
i forgot

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Imperium on Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:28am
i wish the central powers won ww1

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by corporate_whitey on Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:54am
We should all be grateful that because of their sacrifice and glory in battle this is our country forver...every Australian should take a little time every day to look back at what they sacrificed for us... :) :) :)

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 25th, 2012 at 3:35am

I am off to the local dawn parade soon

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by chimera on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:56am

Quote:
  The Australian Lighthorse played a decisive role in the liberation of Israel in the Great War - glory be to the ANZACS - long live liberated Israel - ancient home of the Gallic tribes...

The Gaelic Irish came from Egypt which is why the Australian army invaded the British Suez canal zone.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by nairbe on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:36am

chimera wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:11pm:
Anzacs were the men of WWI. Yanks have taken over most of Oz but does Anzac Day have to comply with US support of Israel's invasion into legal Palestine territory? Yanks weren't in the war when Anzac Cove 1915 happened.


Are you confusing the ANZAC's with the ANZUS treaty?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by corporate_whitey on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:39am

chimera wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:56am:

Quote:
  The Australian Lighthorse played a decisive role in the liberation of Israel in the Great War - glory be to the ANZACS - long live liberated Israel - ancient home of the Gallic tribes...

The Gaelic Irish came from Egypt which is why the Australian army invaded the British Suez canal zone.

The Cymry (Welsh) came from Sumeria and Crimea (Cimmerians) Sons of Gomer and Galatia which was occupied  by the Ottomans...modern Turkey.  We never forget our fathers or who we are. 8-)

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:39am

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:05pm:
This is such a serious day so please forgive this serious post:


It's a day when I will remember WW1 when soldiers were forced
to go over the top of the trenches & charge against 1000's
of machine guns.
Even when such charges failed with tens of  1000's killed -
the charges were repeated in following days with more "canon fodder".
I consider that the generals & the Govt's who sent men -
often against their will - into such acts of suicide should have
been put on trial & hanged.

Instead we fool ourselves that the all the men were brave.
If they didn't go over the top they were shot by their own officers
who remained in the trenches.

It's a day to remember those poor blokes who were forced
to give their lives for no military gain.
It's also a time remember those who were brave.
It's a time to remember the horrors of war &
the peace we have enjoyed in comparison.


Good post, Bat. That's made my day.



That puts it in some perspective bobby.

War is decided by old men in boardrooms and young men are sent to die. We should stop all invasions now.
The men who signed up for WWI and II did it for adventure, it was a way out of the shearing sheds. Read their stories, that's what they said.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by corporate_whitey on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:43am
ANZAC day means so much to us as a country, we must always remember... 8-)

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by it_is_the_light on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:50am
i do not celebrate ritual sacrifice and murder

by the english.

many 1000s of anzacs were ordered to charge and

were slaughtered in rank and file

by the british monarchy yes

murder of the convict stock,i will not pretend to like

the freemasonic ritual,

to celebrate murder and ritual blood sacrifice

the monarchy gets a real belly laugh at misguided

ceremonies

freewill

enjoy blessings

namaste

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:57am
ANZAC Day is also a time to remember the grace with which the great Ataturk extended the hand of reconciliation to the ANZACs and to acknowledge the hospitality the Turks still extend to us today at ANZAC Cove.

It is surely unparalleled in the history of modern warfare where a victorious former enemy demonstrates as much friendship and respect as the Turkish state offers to Australians on this, our most sacred day.

Those heroes that shed their blood
and lost their lives...
you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country.
Therefore rest in peace.
There is no difference between the Johnnies
and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side
here in this country of ours...
You the mothers
who sent their sons from far away countries
wipe away your tears.
Your sons are now lying in our bosom
and are in peace.
After having lost their lives on this land they have
become our sons as well.


Ataturk 1934

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:57am
Anzac Day is it?

I hope people in Australia take some time to remember those people who sacrificed so much for your nation.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:09am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFCekeoSTwg

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Annie Anthrax on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:20am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:57am:
ANZAC Day is also a time to remember the grace with which the great Ataturk extended the hand of reconciliation to the ANZACs and to acknowledge the hospitality the Turks still extend to us today at ANZAC Cove.

It is surely unparalleled in the history of modern warfare where a victorious former enemy demonstrates as much friendship and respect as the Turkish state offers to Australians on this, our most sacred day.

Those heroes that shed their blood
and lost their lives...
you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country.
Therefore rest in peace.
There is no difference between the Johnnies
and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side
here in this country of ours...
You the mothers
who sent their sons from far away countries
wipe away your tears.
Your sons are now lying in our bosom
and are in peace.
After having lost their lives on this land they have
become our sons as well.


Ataturk 1934



That was beautiful.

Such a senseless thing, war.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by muso on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:51am

nairbe wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:36am:

chimera wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:11pm:
Anzacs were the men of WWI. Yanks have taken over most of Oz but does Anzac Day have to comply with US support of Israel's invasion into legal Palestine territory? Yanks weren't in the war when Anzac Cove 1915 happened.


Are you confusing the ANZAC's with the ANZUS treaty?


Definitely.  ;)

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by muso on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:56am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:20am:
That was beautiful.

Such a senseless thing, war.


It is. Today we should take the opportunity to remind ourselves of the human tragedy of wars that continue to this day and pay respect to those who endure and have endured the horror of war. Politicians have no right to gain any mileage out of the Anzac Day ceremonies. This day belongs to the ones who suffered due to the inability of politicians to do their jobs, sort out their differences and protect their people.


Quote:
DULCE ET DECORUM EST

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.
Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime . . .
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Wilfred Owen
8 October 1917 - March, 1918

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by great one on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:02am
To the ANZACS - Thankyou

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by bobbythebat1 on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:12am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:39am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:05pm:
This is such a serious day so please forgive this serious post:


It's a day when I will remember WW1 when soldiers were forced
to go over the top of the trenches & charge against 1000's
of machine guns.
Even when such charges failed with tens of  1000's killed -
the charges were repeated in following days with more "canon fodder".
I consider that the generals & the Govt's who sent men -
often against their will - into such acts of suicide should have
been put on trial & hanged.

Instead we fool ourselves that the all the men were brave.
If they didn't go over the top they were shot by their own officers
who remained in the trenches.

It's a day to remember those poor blokes who were forced
to give their lives for no military gain.
It's also a time remember those who were brave.
It's a time to remember the horrors of war &
the peace we have enjoyed in comparison.


Good post, Bat. That's made my day.



That puts it in some perspective bobby.

War is decided by old men in boardrooms and young men are sent to die. We should stop all invasions now.
The men who signed up for WWI and II did it for adventure, it was a way out of the shearing sheds. Read their stories, that's what they said.



Thanks Pansi,
Some were also conscripted against their will.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:29am

that was a good service this year.

it's a good thing for me to do. A very small mark of gratitude for them

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Kat on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:52am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:39am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:05pm:
This is such a serious day so please forgive this serious post:


It's a day when I will remember WW1 when soldiers were forced
to go over the top of the trenches & charge against 1000's
of machine guns.
Even when such charges failed with tens of  1000's killed -
the charges were repeated in following days with more "canon fodder".
I consider that the generals & the Govt's who sent men -
often against their will - into such acts of suicide should have
been put on trial & hanged.

Instead we fool ourselves that the all the men were brave.
If they didn't go over the top they were shot by their own officers
who remained in the trenches.

It's a day to remember those poor blokes who were forced
to give their lives for no military gain.
It's also a time remember those who were brave.
It's a time to remember the horrors of war &
the peace we have enjoyed in comparison.





Good post, Bat. That's made my day.



That puts it in some perspective bobby.

War is decided by old men in boardrooms and young men are sent to die. We should stop all invasions now.
The men who signed up for WWI and II did it for adventure, it was a way out of the shearing sheds. Read their stories, that's what they said.



Thanks Pansi,
Some were also conscripted against their will.



Yes, good one, Bobby.

Well said.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by crag43 on Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:51am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:39am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:05pm:
This is such a serious day so please forgive this serious post:


It's a day when I will remember WW1 when soldiers were forced
to go over the top of the trenches & charge against 1000's
of machine guns.
Even when such charges failed with tens of  1000's killed -
the charges were repeated in following days with more "canon fodder".
I consider that the generals & the Govt's who sent men -
often against their will - into such acts of suicide should have
been put on trial & hanged.

Instead we fool ourselves that the all the men were brave.
If they didn't go over the top they were shot by their own officers
who remained in the trenches.

It's a day to remember those poor blokes who were forced
to give their lives for no military gain.
It's also a time remember those who were brave.
It's a time to remember the horrors of war &
the peace we have enjoyed in comparison.


Good post, Bat. That's made my day.



That puts it in some perspective bobby.

War is decided by old men in boardrooms and young men are sent to die. We should stop all invasions now.
The men who signed up for WWI and II did it for adventure, it was a way out of the shearing sheds. Read their stories, that's what they said.



Thanks Pansi,
Some were also conscripted against their will.


I agree with the sentiments, Bobby, but WW1 - no conscription.
I was just looking at the AWM site, my father left Australia in May 1915 as a member of the 2nd Reinforcement Company and became part of the 55th Battalion AIF when it formed in Egypt in 1916. They were posted to France later that year and their first action was at Fromelles...then Bullencourt, the Hindenburg Line, Villes-Bretenneux(?) , Polygon Wood and St Quentin Canal.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Kat on Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:59am

Our boys weren't conscripted, Crag, but many in other countries were.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:29pm
They died for this, poor bastards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8iddHAn_AI&feature=player_embedded#!

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:04pm

Swagman wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:45pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:34pm:
  No one is coming to harm me, I feel quite safe, so no one is saving me from the big bad terrorists.


.......and why are you safe? :(



Because Johnny gave me a fridge magnet.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by crag43 on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:28pm

Kat wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:59am:
Our boys weren't conscripted, Crag, but many in other countries were.


Quite right, kat, I was being parochial again...

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Karnal on Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:16pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:50am:
i do not celebrate ritual sacrifice and murder

by the english.

many 1000s of anzacs were ordered to charge and

were slaughtered in rank and file

by the british monarchy yes

murder of the convict stock,i will not pretend to like

the freemasonic ritual,

to celebrate murder and ritual blood sacrifice

the monarchy gets a real belly laugh at misguided

ceremonies

freewill

enjoy blessings

namaste


Light, you're a former soldier and comrade, so I'll say this only once.

Forgiven.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Uncle Meat on Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:21pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:29pm:
They died for this, poor bastards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8iddHAn_AI&feature=player_embedded#!



"BBQ, beer, and backyard cricket".

Ah, the simple life of a bogan.

::)

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by bobbythebat1 on Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:33pm
Crag,

Quote:
I agree with the sentiments, Bobby, but WW1 - no conscription.
I was just looking at the AWM site, my father left Australia in May 1915 as a member of the 2nd Reinforcement Company and became part of the 55th Battalion AIF when it formed in Egypt in 1916. They were posted to France later that year and their first action was at Fromelles...then Bullencourt, the Hindenburg Line, Villes-Bretenneux(?) , Polygon Wood and St Quentin Canal.


They did have conscription in NZ.

http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/media/photo/war-census-and-conscription

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Prevailing on Apr 25th, 2012 at 3:11pm
I would have thought if you don't like ANZAC day and everything they sacrificed for us then you should get out of our country?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by thelastnail on Apr 25th, 2012 at 4:10pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:05pm:
This is such a serious day so please forgive this serious post:


It's a day when I will remember WW1 when soldiers were forced
to go over the top of the trenches & charge against 1000's
of machine guns.
Even when such charges failed with tens of  1000's killed -
the charges were repeated in following days with more "canon fodder".
I consider that the generals & the Govt's who sent men -
often against their will - into such acts of suicide should have
been put on trial & hanged.

Instead we fool ourselves that the all the men were brave.
If they didn't go over the top they were shot by their own officers
who remained in the trenches.

It's a day to remember those poor blokes who were forced
to give their lives for no military gain.
It's also a time remember those who were brave.
It's a time to remember the horrors of war &
the peace we have enjoyed in comparison.


and look what they died for !!

the right for any foreigner from any country to come here and buy up any bit of land or real estate they want :(

I'm sure those diggers would be turning over in their graves in they knew what was happening today :(

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by chimera on Apr 25th, 2012 at 4:36pm
er, yes, that's a civic right of people in a country. As against the aristocracy being given land by the Crown and farmers paying rent to them, your lordship. The big sheep runs were split up for soldier settlers after the wars.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by bobbythebat1 on Apr 25th, 2012 at 4:51pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:05pm:
This is such a serious day so please forgive this serious post:


It's a day when I will remember WW1 when soldiers were forced
to go over the top of the trenches & charge against 1000's
of machine guns.
Even when such charges failed with tens of  1000's killed -
the charges were repeated in following days with more "canon fodder".
I consider that the generals & the Govt's who sent men -
often against their will - into such acts of suicide should have
been put on trial & hanged.

Instead we fool ourselves that the all the men were brave.
If they didn't go over the top they were shot by their own officers
who remained in the trenches.

It's a day to remember those poor blokes who were forced
to give their lives for no military gain.
It's also a time remember those who were brave.
It's a time to remember the horrors of war &
the peace we have enjoyed in comparison.


and look what they died for !!

the right for any foreigner from any country to come here and buy up any bit of land or real estate they want :(

I'm sure those diggers would be turning over in their graves in they knew what was happening today :(




Notice - we can't handle the truth in the Anzac day ceremonies even after 100 years.
Proof:
What I said in my post is never said at Anzac ceremonies.
They never say that officers shot their own men if they failed
to go over the top & face machine guns & almost certain death.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 25th, 2012 at 5:31pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:05pm:
This is such a serious day so please forgive this serious post:


It's a day when I will remember WW1 when soldiers were forced
to go over the top of the trenches & charge against 1000's
of machine guns.
Even when such charges failed with tens of  1000's killed -
the charges were repeated in following days with more "canon fodder".
I consider that the generals & the Govt's who sent men -
often against their will - into such acts of suicide should have
been put on trial & hanged.

Instead we fool ourselves that the all the men were brave.
If they didn't go over the top they were shot by their own officers
who remained in the trenches.

It's a day to remember those poor blokes who were forced
to give their lives for no military gain.
It's also a time remember those who were brave.
It's a time to remember the horrors of war &
the peace we have enjoyed in comparison.


and look what they died for !!

the right for any foreigner from any country to come here and buy up any bit of land or real estate they want :(

I'm sure those diggers would be turning over in their graves in they knew what was happening today :(




Notice - we can't handle the truth in the Anzac day ceremonies even after 100 years.
Proof:
What I said in my post is never said at Anzac ceremonies.
They never say that officers shot their own men if they failed
to go over the top & face machine guns & almost certain death.



That's right bobby. If you look at it from other perspectives, and delve that little bit deeper, as I do with most things, you will find that we are leaving a hell of a lot out when telling the history of the wars.

An Aussie author couldn't get any publicity for her book about the real Gallipoli story, the myths of Gallipoli, written from actual diaries of the time.

National pride at the expense of truth.

The truth needs to be told even if it presents us in a bad light. How long can we keep pretending?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Prevailing on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:01pm
Hi...thanks to the ANZACS and their noble sacrifice in the cause of human liberation, the malcontents now have the freedom to leave Australia.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by it_is_the_light on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:10pm
Notice - we can't handle the truth in the Anzac day ceremonies even after 100 years.
Proof:
What I said in my post is never said at Anzac ceremonies.
They never say that officers shot their own men if they failed
to go over the top & face machine guns & almost certain death.

__________

thats right

its not brave to be murdered.

ritual masonic blood sacrifice

forgive them

namaste

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Prevailing on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:21pm
Hi thats a very appropriate discipline, cowardice can trigger off a panic costing lives and causing defeat.  Yes thats the way it was, are you comforted?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by red baron on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:23pm
I have just returned home after a great day on ANZAC Day.

I decided not to march in Sydney after my grand kids pleaded for me to march locally.

I did in Springwood, Blue Mountains. It seemed that the whole village was there to cheer us on.

We still had a sprinkling of World War 2 vets and it was great for us younger veterans to rub shoulders with those wonderful men who are now in the sunset of their lives.

I was amazed how enthusiastic the young kids were and just how much they value the Anzac tradition.

We had a touching ceremony at the local cenotaph, to round off a great commemorartion.

The Anzac spirit is alive and well and I can see in the spirit of our youth that nothing has been lost along the way.

This Country is in the safe hands of our young.

P.S. I have had to add a little, more after reading the appalling posts that I walked into.

Anzac Day is about remembering who died for us in War.

It is also about remembering the great Comradeship that existed amongst personnel of the armed forces, who have put it on the line.

I can tell you unequivocally, that the vast majority of ex service personnel, of whom I am one, would view your posts as a bunch of 'cocky sh.t' to put it in the Service vernacular.

Now p.ss off and let us enjoy the rest of OUR DAY in peace!

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by bobbythebat1 on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:53pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:10pm:
Notice - we can't handle the truth in the Anzac day ceremonies even after 100 years.
Proof:
What I said in my post is never said at Anzac ceremonies.
They never say that officers shot their own men if they failed
to go over the top & face machine guns & almost certain death.

__________

thats right

its not brave to be murdered.

ritual masonic blood sacrifice

forgive them

namaste



Light can even forgive murder!

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by it_is_the_light on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:57pm
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8457179

Far from a sombre event, the Anzac Day service at Lone Pine opened with cheers of "Aussie, Aussie, Aussie ... oi, oi, oi" from a sea of green and gold-clad visitors.

Young and old, men and women, they bombarded Australian Victoria Cross (VC) recipient Corporal Ben Roberts-Smith with requests for autographs and photographs as he entered an arena where thousands had come to remember the Anzac sacrifice.

Ninety-seven years ago the scene at Lone Pine was very different.

It was a bloody battleground where thousands of soldiers lost their lives.

But the Gallipoli area was also important in the blossoming of Australia's nationhood, says Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

Atop rusty-coloured cliffs overlooking Anzac Cove, Ms Gillard spoke of a three-day campaign at the site 97 years ago as "a story of occasional success but ultimate frustration".

"Our federal bond was young when the Anzacs came to this place," she told a crowd of thousands at Lone Pine, many from Australia and New Zealand.

"The laws and institutions of our nation were laid down in 1901. But here, in 1915, its spirit and ethos were sealed.

"This was our first act of nationhood in the eyes of a watching world, an act authored not by statesmen or diplomats, but by simple soldiers."

During an earlier dawn service at Anzac Cove, Ms Gillard paid tribute to the 8700 Australian soldiers who lost their lives during the Turkish invasion, some aged just 14 and 15 years old.

As soldiers scaled the hills, some of the bravest acts of gallantry were seen at Lone Pine, where seven of the nine VCs awarded during the Anzac campaign were earned.

"Three days of vicious fighting soaked this ground in blood," Ms Gillard said of the Lone Pine battle.

"We come here in honour of qualities that defined the Anzacs, and we hope, however faintly, might also define ourselves."

____________

oh my gaudy

namaste

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by it_is_the_light on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:03pm
i merely comment upon the tragic loss,

it was not necessary yet was done in covert fashion

this is a crime against humanity

namaste

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by chimera on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:24pm
What covert fashion? The pommy navy blasted the hills with broadsides from gun turrets before the Anzacs landed. Any dawn surprise was completely lost with no visible targets for the big guns to shoot at. They were right under the Turk army camp on the cliffs. It couldn't have been more open and visible for the Turks.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:49pm

chimera wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:24pm:
What covert fashion? The pommy navy blasted the hills with broadsides from gun turrets before the Anzacs landed. Any dawn surprise was completely lost with no visible targets for the big guns to shoot at. They were right under the Turk army camp on the cliffs. It couldn't have been more open and visible for the Turks.

With the Turks in possession of a weapon that none could have foreseen... A commander who, as it turned out, first revealed of himself his destiny as one of the greatest military and national leaders of the 20th century.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Uncle Meat on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:57pm

red baron wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:23pm:
Anzac Day is about remembering who died for us in War.


And remembering the people they killed?

The people they killed had families too you know.

Shall we remember them too?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Soren on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:16pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:57pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:23pm:
Anzac Day is about remembering who died for us in War.


And remembering the people they killed?

The people they killed had families too you know.

Shall we remember them too?



They will remember their dead, we will remember our dead.

Except you, of course, who will want to elbow them aside and demonstratively pretend that you'd rather remember their dead and get all huffy if we remember ours, the pathetic meat head that you are.




Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Uncle Meat on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:20pm

Soren wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:16pm:
Except you, of course, who will want to elbow them aside and demonstratively pretend that you'd rather remember their dead and get all huffy if we remember ours, the pathetic meat head that you are.


Nope.  You got that wrong, you retarded piece of sh1t.

I never said anything like that.  I asked a question.

How does it feel to fail so bad, you pathetic loser?

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Uncle Meat on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:25pm

Soren wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:16pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:57pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:23pm:
Anzac Day is about remembering who died for us in War.


And remembering the people they killed?

The people they killed had families too you know.

Shall we remember them too?



They will remember their dead, we will remember our dead.

Except you, of course, who will want to elbow them aside and demonstratively pretend that you'd rather remember their dead and get all huffy if we remember ours, the pathetic meat head that you are.


Next time you're at kindy, ask the teacher what "too" means, OK?

There's a good boy.

::)

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Prevailing on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:30pm
Thanks to them, this is our country forever more - and if you don't like it you are free to leave - thats something we can all celebrate.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Soren on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:33pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:20pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:16pm:
Except you, of course, who will want to elbow them aside and demonstratively pretend that you'd rather remember their dead and get all huffy if we remember ours, the pathetic meat head that you are.


Nope.  You got that wrong, you retarded piece of sh1t.

I never said anything like that.  I asked a question.

How does it feel to fail so bad, you pathetic loser?


Touching on a raw nerve of a meat head? It feels good.

You can remember every other dead person on every other goddam day of the year. On this one day, when you can remember your own dead,  in the company of your own people, remember your own dead.

Tomorrow you can get back to wringing your hand about everyone else - too.






Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Uncle Meat on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:37pm

Soren wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:33pm:
Touching on a raw nerve of a meat head? It feels good.



Nope.  You're just showing what a total retard you are (not that there was ever any doubt).

I never said anything like you claimed I did.

Learn to read, before you make a bigger fool of yourself, OK little fella? 

Oh, and next time you're at Kindy, ask the teacher what "too" means.  If you knew that before, you wouldn't have made such a big fool of yourself.

Treat it as a lesson.

Off you run now, you demented retard.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Prevailing on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:47pm
The ANZACS sacrificed their lives so that you would be free to leave the land they bequeathed to their descendants and spread your wings to far off places.  They never meant for you to stay here the world is your oyster to explore.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Soren on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:52pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:37pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:33pm:
Touching on a raw nerve of a meat head? It feels good.



Nope.  You're just showing what a total retard you are (not that there was ever any doubt).

I never said anything like you claimed I did.

Learn to read, before you make a bigger fool of yourself, OK little fella? 

Oh, and next time you're at Kindy, ask the teacher what "too" means.  If you knew that before, you wouldn't have made such a big fool of yourself.

Treat it as a lesson.

Off you run now, you demented retard.



You'll be a meat head tomorrow, too.




Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Uncle Meat on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:58pm

Soren wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:52pm:
You'll be a meat head tomorrow, too.


Your teacher will be pleased.



Keep up the good work little fella.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by chimera on Apr 26th, 2012 at 8:10am
The Turkish leader was in contrast to W Churchill who got the sack for incompetence there, with criminal inquiry into some officers for neglect of troops. The ships drifted on the current in the night into the wrong tactical location. With the battle lost they kept the men there for months, and some chose suicide. But the Anzacs were just Australian colonials.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by red baron on Apr 26th, 2012 at 11:54am
Uncle Meat, Like I did recently you have stepped way over the  mark. Your posts are now just handing out cheap shots and I got suspended for saying way less than you have.

I got what the moderator wrote to me and why I was suspended. I then realised that I was 'cheapening' the quality of my writing, by taking sarcastic cheap shots at my opponents. It made me realise that is was in fact, weakening my position in my arguments. I am trying to lift my game, although not always well.  I suggest you do the same because when you are 'on song' Uncle Meat' you write well, even if your position is usually diametrically opposed to mine.


Anzac Day is over now so perhaps we can finish this subject, with a nod to peace and reconciliation, just like the Turks have reconciled with Australia.

They respect and honour our War dead in Turkey and we their brave soldiers.

All soldiers involved the conflict went at the behest of their Government of the day.

Both sides fought the good fight and their memories should be respected and not pilloried on this site.

LEST WE FORGET

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by chimera on Apr 26th, 2012 at 12:54pm
Turkey didn't want to join Germany but reluctantly did because Russia was expanding into Crimea. That was the reason for the Crimean war which Britain had fought against Russia 50 years previously. So Anzacs invaded Turkey for doing what Britain had done. And got handicapped by Britain when giving their lives for it. The Kaiser was Queen Victoria's grandson. If we don't laugh, we can cry.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Apr 26th, 2012 at 1:10pm
Nice of Julia Gillard to go to Gallipolli.

I suppose this year is better than next year because she'd probably have to pay for herself next year after she loses her job.

May as well make hay whilst the sun shines and all that....

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Deborahmac09 on Apr 26th, 2012 at 6:55pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:57pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:23pm:
Anzac Day is about remembering who died for us in War.


And remembering the people they killed?

The people they killed had families too you know.

Shall we remember them too?


Yes.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Prevailing on Apr 26th, 2012 at 7:00pm
The ANZACS sacrificed so much for our freedom - we as a country will never forget them or stop thanking them for all they did - Lest we forget our heroes.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Imperium on Apr 26th, 2012 at 10:52pm
meathead is just a thick c*nt - i implore everybody to ignore his cretinous, bellicose, sh!tty little posts. he's the kind of guy who just got called a f@ggot too many times by lads with southern cross tattoos.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Soren on Apr 26th, 2012 at 10:56pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:58pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:52pm:
You'll be a meat head tomorrow, too.


Your teacher will be pleased.



Keep up the good work little fella.



f@ggot







;D

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Imperium on Apr 26th, 2012 at 10:58pm
don't do it soren, that's how these types of people are created.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by Imperium on Apr 26th, 2012 at 10:59pm
or at least,  made worse.

Title: Re: Anzac Day
Post by chimera on Apr 27th, 2012 at 12:06am

Quote:
]The ANZACS sacrificed so much for our freedom - .

The Germans planned a quick defeat of France so they could make sure of pushing Russia back from Yugoslavia, an Austro-German colony. Yugoslavia is spelled differently from "Australia" and is a few miles away.

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