abu_rashid wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 6:20pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 3:12pm: Abu, does it not matter to you at all that these great statues were destroyed out of ignorance? They were destroyed to remove ignorance. What is more ignorant than worshipping a piece of rock that can avail you naught? Please tell me what these pieces of rock offered to humanity?

All cultures destroy cultural heritage

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 6:27pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 6:20pm: freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 3:12pm: Abu, does it not matter to you at all that these great statues were destroyed out of ignorance? They were destroyed to remove ignorance. What is more ignorant than worshipping a piece of rock that can avail you naught? Please tell me what these pieces of rock offered to humanity?

Idols offer deception to mankind. I read a travel guide written by a Westerner about the Hindu island of Bali. The author said that polytheism made the local Balinese act like schizophrenics.

Muslims did mankind a favor by removing the superstitious idols which offered no benefit to mankind whatsoever.

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Islam destroys cultural heritage

Quite rich coming from a proponent Western/Anglo culture, ie. the one which has made its very name out of eradicating every other culture in its path.

Abu, do you also think Muslims were doing humanity a favour by destroying those giant Buddha statues?

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 7:07am:

Quote: Islam destroys cultural heritage Quite rich coming from a proponent Western/Anglo culture, ie. the one which has made its very name out of eradicating every other culture in its path.

Silly Mohamedan nonsense.
Western co,onialists were the ones who gave alphabets to dozens of primitive peoples so they could write down their language and have a chance of preserving it.

ANtropologists recorded and documented prmitive cultures in order to study and presereve them as much as poissible.

WHat pre-islamic culture have Arabs preserved??

freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 9:34am:

Abu, do you also think Muslims were doing humanity a favour by destroying those giant Buddha statues?

Yes. They removed harm, ie. a polytheistic target of devotion.

Soren wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Silly Mohamedan nonsense.

Yes all those cultures, like the Aboriginals, Native Americans, Inuit etc. all should appreciate the arrival of the great civilising West in their lands.


Soren wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Western co,onialists were the ones who gave alphabets to dozens of primitive peoples so they could write down their language and have a chance of preserving it.

You mean like the Middle East did for the West when they gave them their alphabets?

Likewise then you should appreciate the Islamic civilisation bringing you numbers and other stuff, and in fact even the alphabet you have comes from the Semites (ie. Arabs) originally.


Soren wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 9:40am:

ANtropologists recorded and documented prmitive cultures in order to study and presereve them as much as poissible.

Yes, they did document them, as they wiped them out. The only reason they documented them was because all of a sudden (wonder why???) they began disappearing from the face of the earth.


Soren wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 9:40am:

WHat pre-islamic culture have Arabs preserved??

The Muslim world is replete with pre-Islamic cultures, languages, religions.

Unlike the Christian world, where all previously existing cultures and religions were just wiped out.

Abu don't you find it hard to keep a straight face when you tell us Muslims did a favour by destroying those statues, but it is our society that destroys cultures, not Islam?

freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 7:04pm:

Abu don't you find it hard to keep a straight face

Under all that hair, who can tell??

freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 7:04pm:

Abu don't you find it hard to keep a straight face when you tell us Muslims did a favour by destroying those statues, but it is our society that destroys cultures, not Islam?

Since I am speaking the truth, of course I can keep a straight face, it's you who could not.

I can't believe you'd honestly try and peddle this crap about the West not destroying other civilisations, and then claiming Islam did.

As I've said plenty of times before, the proof is in the pudding. When you can bring forth a druid or other pre-Christian European to meet our pre-Islamic Middle Easterners like Christians, Jews, Mandeans and the like, then you can earn the right to speak.

Until then you're just regurgitating your same old crap.

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 6:47pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 9:34am: Abu, do you also think Muslims were doing humanity a favour by destroying those giant Buddha statues? Yes. They removed harm, ie. a polytheistic target of devotion.

Tragic.

MOTR wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 10:57pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 6:47pm: freediver wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 9:34am: Abu, do you also think Muslims were doing humanity a favour by destroying those giant Buddha statues? Yes. They removed harm, ie. a polytheistic target of devotion. Tragic.

What's tragic is the mindless idiots in the West who harped on about blocks of stone being turned into smaller bits of stone, whilst the people there starved to death.

These poor excuses for human beings sent money to "save the stones", whilst not lifting a finger to help the actual humans living next to the stones, that were dying of starvation.

What kind of messed up society holds such "values"? Honestly with a straight face, I'd like one of you numbskulls to explain it to me.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Druids%2C_in_the_early_morning_glow_of_the_sun.jpg
A group of Druids in England, dressed in ceremonial garb


There are Jews in Europe - are they not pre-Christian? There are even Muslims in Europe. They have mosques. Not something you can say about the heart of Islam, where no Jews or Christians are allowed.

The 'Arab Spring' means anti-Christian pogroms, among other atrocities.

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 6:47pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 9:34am: Abu, do you also think Muslims were doing humanity a favour by destroying those giant Buddha statues? Yes. They removed harm, ie. a polytheistic target of devotion.

So it is correct to assume that when the world-wide caliphate is established, all polytheistic symbols will be destroyed - Hindu, Buddhist, Aboriginal of every possible kind.
Aborigines will just have to revert to Islam and forget all that Song-lines and walkabout and rainbow serpent stuff.

I would like to see you make your own Redfern Speech along these lines, Rightly Guided representative of Islam.

Soren wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 11:03pm:

A group of Druids in England, dressed in ceremonial garb

Bored people playing dress ups, that sums up your argument nicely soren.


Soren wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 11:03pm:

There are Jews in Europe - are they not pre-Christian?

Not really, they kinda came with the package. They were not pre-Christian Europeans, so much as they were the parent sect of Christianity. And what did the Europeans do to them anyway? Load them into ovens and incinerate them... yeh great example.


Soren wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 11:03pm:

There are even Muslims in Europe.

All very recent communities. Earlier communities were all eradicated.


Soren wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 11:03pm:

They have mosques.

How old is the oldest mosque in Christian Europe?

Interestingly, the oldest synagogue in Europe was built in al-Andalus.


Soren wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 11:03pm:

Not something you can say about the heart of Islam, where no Jews or Christians are allowed.

Well I don't see too many mosques in Vatican state. Just because Christendom's heartland was reduced to a much smaller patch of land doesn't really mean the comparison is not still valid.


Soren wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 11:03pm:

The 'Arab Spring' means anti-Christian pogroms, among other atrocities.

Does it? Care to show me where?

The Arab spring means an end to the Zionist menace, that's why you don't like it. Your masters are unhappy with it, therefore so must you, you have no choice in the matter.

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 11:03pm:

MOTR wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 10:57pm: abu_rashid wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 6:47pm: freediver wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 9:34am: Abu, do you also think Muslims were doing humanity a favour by destroying those giant Buddha statues? Yes. They removed harm, ie. a polytheistic target of devotion. Tragic. What's tragic is the mindless idiots in the West who harped on about blocks of stone being turned into smaller bits of stone, whilst the people there starved to death. These poor excuses for human beings sent money to "save the stones", whilst not lifting a finger to help the actual humans living next to the stones, that were dying of starvation. What kind of messed up society holds such "values"? Honestly with a straight face, I'd like one of you numbskulls to explain it to me.

Q. Why did the taliban not feed the needy instead of buying ordinance to destroy a harmless piece of sculptured stone?

A. Because it was Buddhist.

Q. Why does a certain cult worship stones.

A. Because they are inbreds and worship pieces of rock, walk around one piece in circles and throw stones at other pieces.

Q. What kind of messed up society holds such "archaic and barbaric values"?

A. ISLAM!

Adamant wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 12:08am:

Q. Why did the taliban not feed the needy instead of buying ordinance to destroy a harmless piece of sculptured stone?

Funnily enough I agree on this one, and I asked the same question at the time.


Adamant wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 12:08am:

A. Because it was Buddhist.

I don't think they cared if it was buddhist, hindu or otherwise. It was an idol and so it was destroyed. Idols are nothing but a misguidance to humanity, and so nobody can really fault them for the act in itself, except of course a polytheist.


Adamant wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 12:08am:

Q. Why does a certain cult worship stones.

Because they are misguided.


Adamant wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 12:08am:

Q. What kind of messed up society holds such "archaic and barbaric values"? A. ISLAM!

Stop trying to project your own faults onto others.

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I can't believe you'd honestly try and peddle this crap about the West not destroying other civilisations, and then claiming Islam did.

Don't put words in my mouth Abu. All I am claiming is that Islam makes the destruction part of the religion. The only people here claiming that they are doing humanity a favour by destroying cultural heritage in the name of religion are Muslims.


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As I've said plenty of times before, the proof is in the pudding. When you can bring forth a druid or other pre-Christian European to meet our pre-Islamic Middle Easterners like Christians, Jews

Are you suggesting I would be incapable of bringing forth a European Jew, gypsie etc? Didn't you or Falah recently use Spanish gypsie as an example of western decadence because they lowered their standards to that of Islam?


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What's tragic is the mindless idiots in the West who harped on about blocks of stone being turned into smaller bits of stone, whilst the people there starved to death.

If they really were starving to death, don't you think the local Muslims have the wrong priorities? Isn't it a bit hypocritical for you to criticise westerners for trying to save these monuments while people starve and you and Falah talk about it as a favour to humanity? Has it occured to you that these people might not be starving if it weren't for such lunacy? How are we supposed to help these people if they spend money on weapons to destroy rocks inbstead of helping themselves? At least with saving the monuments there was a chance of a sensible outcome.


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Not really, they kinda came with the package. They were not pre-Christian Europeans, so much as they were the parent sect of Christianity.

And yet you happily use middle eastern Jews and Christians as an example for Islam. Can you play 'spot the double standard'?


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All very recent communities. Earlier communities were all eradicated.

Abu, there is a difference between tolerating difference and letting the Islamic military conquest continue. Perhaps the Europeans just got sick of the invading muslims telling everyone they were slaughtering Europeans in self defence.

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

Don't put words in my mouth Abu. All I am claiming is that Islam makes the destruction part of the religion. The only people here claiming that they are doing humanity a favour by destroying cultural heritage in the name of religion are Muslims.

You really do not seemed to have study history at all. your grasp of it like what expect from a kindergarten child.

When I was studying history at university, the Jewish lecturer (who holds a  PhD, and was not some internet layman like yourself) told us that when Muslim Arabs conquered places like the Byzantine Empire, they took all the best parts of those empires and incorporated into their own; science, architecture, etc.

This is what lead to their succes. They were not destoryer, they were builders.

The fact is that idols contribute nothing to society. Science, architecture, medicine, etc. these arte the things which society needs , and these are what Muslims preserved and improved upon.



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Are you suggesting I would be incapable of bringing forth a European Jew, gypsie etc? Didn't you or Falah recently use Spanish gypsie as an example of western decadence because they lowered their standards to that of Islam?

Are you lying again?





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[quote]What's tragic is the mindless idiots in the West who harped on about blocks of stone being turned into smaller bits of stone, whilst the people there starved to death.

If they really were starving to death, don't you think the local Muslims have the wrong priorities? Isn't it a bit hypocritical for you to criticise westerners for trying to save these monuments while people starve and you and Falah talk about it as a favour to humanity? Has it occured to you that these people might not be starving if it weren't for such lunacy? How are we supposed to help these people if they spend money on weapons to destroy rocks inbstead of helping themselves? At least with saving the monuments there was a chance of a sensible outcome.[/quote]

Blowing up the polytheistic idols cost next to nothing. A bit of dynamite is not very expensive.




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Destruction of religious statues 'ended drought' 20/03/2001 - 11:11:32 Afghanistan's Taliban leader says Allah has sent rain to the drought-hit country because he's pleased at the smashing of the Buddha statues. Widespread rains have broken a four-year drought in Afghanistan. Mullah Mohammad Omar told three Pakistani Islamic scholars that Allah deprived Afghanistan of rain because of the delay in destroying the statues. Islamabad's Urdu-language newspaper Ausaf says Omar believes the West is more concerned about the statues than Afghans who had been suffering from the drought. http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/destruction-of-religious-statues-ended-drought-7176.html

The Taliban were following in the footsteps of God's prophets.

Both islam and judaism teach that prophet Abraham destoyed polytheistic idols.

This is what the jewish tradition teaches about idol destruction:


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when Abraham was still a young child, he realized that idol worship was nothing but foolishness. To make his point, one day, when Abraham was asked to watch the store, he took a hammer and smashed all the idols - except for the largest. His father came home aghast. "What happened?!" he shouted. "It was amazing, Dad," replied Abraham. "The idols all got into a fight and the biggest idol won!" The idea, of course, was to show his father how ridiculous it is to ascribe power to such idols!There was no way for his father to respond; deep down he knew that Abraham had tuned into a deeper truth. Nimrod, as the most powerful world leader of the time, was the one most threatened by Abraham's ideas of a supreme God. So Nimrod threw Abraham into a fiery furnace, saying "Let's see your God save you now." Abraham emerged unscathed. http://judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_o/bl_simmons_abrahamidols.htm

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[quote]Are you suggesting I would be incapable of bringing forth a European Jew, gypsie etc? Didn't you or Falah recently use Spanish gypsie as an example of western decadence because they lowered their standards to that of Islam?

Are you lying again? [/quote]

You really have a short memory for your own spin don't you Falah? No wonder you get caught out so often.


falah wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 1:41pm:

Frances wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:01pm: Girls are able to become pregnant before their bodies are ready for childbirth.  Anyone who suggests that girls can marry and bear children once they attain puberty is heartlessly condemning many of them to complications and deaths during childbirth - and with frequent pregnancies from a very young age, a complete breakdown in health by the time they enter adulthood Quote: Mom in Spain happy that her 10-year-old gave birth A Romanian Gypsy woman whose 10-year-old daughter just gave birth in Spain says she's delighted to have a new granddaughter and doesn't understand why the birth has shocked anyone - let alone become an international sensation... ...There were no complications during the birth, and the 10-year-old and her baby are doing fine, her mother said. "She's doing well and is very happy with her daughter," the woman said.

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Blowing up the polytheistic idols cost next to nothing. A bit of dynamite is not very expensive.

Food is also dirt cheap. When people starve it is usually for political reasons, like these idiots running round blowing things up and doing favours for humanity.





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Destruction of religious statues 'ended drought' 20/03/2001 - 11:11:32 Afghanistan's Taliban leader says Allah has sent rain to the drought-hit country because he's pleased at the smashing of the Buddha statues. Widespread rains have broken a four-year drought in Afghanistan. Mullah Mohammad Omar told three Pakistani Islamic scholars that Allah deprived Afghanistan of rain because of the delay in destroying the statues. Islamabad's Urdu-language newspaper Ausaf says Omar believes the West is more concerned about the statues than Afghans who had been suffering from the drought. http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/destruction-of-religious-statues-ended-drought-7176.html

What is your point here Falah? That God is great, or that Muslims are lunatics?

falah wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 8:29pm:

The fact is that idols contribute nothing to society. Science, architecture, medicine, etc. these are the things which society needs , and these are what Muslims preserved and improved upon.

Time to dynamite the Kaaba, then.

falah wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 8:29pm:

The fact is that idols contribute nothing to society. Science, architecture, medicine, etc. these are the things which society needs , and these are what Muslims preserved and improved upon.

Time to dynamite the Kaaba, then.

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 11:56pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 11:03pm: A group of Druids in England, dressed in ceremonial garb Bored people playing dress ups, that sums up your argument nicely soren.

;D

Loot at you!! A bored and aimless Australian kid converts to Islam to get up everyone's nose! That sums you up nicely, 'Abu Rashid'.

Abu Rashid?? Is that like Dances with Wolves, and Two Dogs ... er... Barking?

How bloody pretentious! 50 years ago you would have 'converted' to communism and called yourself Comrade Soviet or some such. 200 years ago you would have been a sans culotte doing Robespierre's bidding, before that a Kalvinist. You would always be on the side of the rancorous. Today,  Islam is the resentful mob du jour and so it is there that you find yourself.