This is about the time we start standing up for our rights...

NSW bikies face tattoo parlour bans
http://video.news.com.au/2225030221/NSW-bikies-face-tattoo-parlour-bans

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Bikie gangs will be banned from owning tattoo parlours and wearing their colours, in a bid to stop violence.

If they can do it to one group in society, they can do it to any.
In politics bad things always get seen in a good light, do not light the police state trick you into giving up your freedom and rights for 'safety' which they cannot provide and in many cases do a lot to jeopardize themselves, directly and indirectly.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 1:14pm:

This is about the time we start standing up for our rights... NSW bikies face tattoo parlour bans http://video.news.com.au/2225030221/NSW-bikies-face-tattoo-parlour-bans If they can do it to one group in society, they can do it to any. In politics bad things always get seen in a good light, do not light the police state trick you into giving up your freedom and rights for 'safety' which they cannot provide and in many cases do a lot to jeopardize themselves, directly and indirectly.

It is not a simple situation but all else aside i agree. We give up our freedom and rights far to easy whenever the government tells us the boogie man is there.

Freedom is not safe, safe is not freedom.

Why do they need those pouncy trendy palors anyway.
Get a ballpoint pen and a compass, is everyone now soft?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 1:14pm:

This is about the time we start standing up for our rights... NSW bikies face tattoo parlour bans http://video.news.com.au/2225030221/NSW-bikies-face-tattoo-parlour-bans Quote: Bikie gangs will be banned from owning tattoo parlours and wearing their colours, in a bid to stop violence. If they can do it to one group in society, they can do it to any. In politics bad things always get seen in a good light, do not light the police state trick you into giving up your freedom and rights for 'safety' which they cannot provide and in many cases do a lot to jeopardize themselves, directly and indirectly.

Geez. Thats going a bit far. What can we do though? Can we do anything? Protesting just gets us arrested for being hippies and "rent-a-crowd. Surely theres something we can do?

SOB

nairbe wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 1:18pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:14pm: This is about the time we start standing up for our rights... NSW bikies face tattoo parlour bans http://video.news.com.au/2225030221/NSW-bikies-face-tattoo-parlour-bans If they can do it to one group in society, they can do it to any. In politics bad things always get seen in a good light, do not light the police state trick you into giving up your freedom and rights for 'safety' which they cannot provide and in many cases do a lot to jeopardize themselves, directly and indirectly. It is not a simple situation but all else aside i agree. We give up our freedom and rights far to easy whenever the government tells us the boogie man is there. Freedom is not safe, safe is not freedom.

At its root the situation is simple, people compete in society and one group usually comes up on top. Right now the government is the top gang; the bikies are just smaller competition.
The only difference is the method in which their power and influence is enforced, but all natural for the position a certain gang finds itself in.

History is written by the victor even before the war is won.

We need our freedom.
Just look how hard it is for people to keep and fight for it now.. Imagine how hard it will be for future generations.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 1:20pm:

Why do they need those pouncy trendy palors anyway. Get a ballpoint pen and a compass, is everyone now soft?

Haha agreed about the compass method, but still freedom is the issue here.

I was talking with a friend about this last night. We are living in a time where rules are created just so they can be broken. Images of police muscle flexing and crackdowns and brutality serve to cement their authority in the eyes of the citizenry.

It's power porn and the intended audience swallows it whole and begs for more.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 1:20pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:14pm: This is about the time we start standing up for our rights... NSW bikies face tattoo parlour bans http://video.news.com.au/2225030221/NSW-bikies-face-tattoo-parlour-bans Quote: Bikie gangs will be banned from owning tattoo parlours and wearing their colours, in a bid to stop violence. If they can do it to one group in society, they can do it to any. In politics bad things always get seen in a good light, do not light the police state trick you into giving up your freedom and rights for 'safety' which they cannot provide and in many cases do a lot to jeopardize themselves, directly and indirectly. Geez. Thats going a bit far. What can we do though? Can we do anything? Protesting just gets us arrested for being hippies and "rent-a-crowd. Surely theres something we can do? SOB

Would probably take a united front.
If bikie gangs could forget their problems and unite against the biggest and most messed up gang around then we might have a chance.
But it still takes the wider public as well, and they are not going to realize how important it is to defend these things. People just don’t care.

The 'All Bikies are Scum' mantra from the govt, cops and MSM doesn't help either.

It's like the 'dole-bludger' stereotype...all bullshyt, but the masses are stupid enough to believe.

Divide and conquer, anyone?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 1:24pm:

I was talking with a friend about this last night. We are living in a time where rules are created just so they can be broken. Images of police muscle flexing and crackdowns and brutality serve to cement their authority in the eyes of the citizenry. It's power porn and the intended audience swallows it whole and begs for more.

The chains are getting tighter and bit by bit the rules add up.
The structure of our society is headed by a gang that has learnt how to be subtle and indirect in its method of control and influence.
The police serve an important role in oppressing people and creating a consensus that resistance is futile.

Lets just hope people can stand up to it eventually, it already seems to late. Not that we couldnt stand up but that we could never actually win.

The bikies may be our last hope in a few years and lets just hope they can get over economics and work together.

Kat wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 1:30pm:

The 'All Bikies are Scum' mantra from the govt, cops and MSM doesn't help either. It's like the 'dole-bludger' stereotype...all bullshyt, but the masses are stupid enough to believe. Divide and conquer, anyone?

As I said history is written by the victor even before they have won. We would probably think the Nazis were good if they had won ww2, so why trust the government who is vomiting  out the same type of biased opinion bull.

Stereotypes hold a very strong power, more particularly the labels we use. Makes us seem like we are different when at the heart of it we are all the same.
If we could realise that we could probably stop the government doing these things.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:24pm: I was talking with a friend about this last night. We are living in a time where rules are created just so they can be broken. Images of police muscle flexing and crackdowns and brutality serve to cement their authority in the eyes of the citizenry. It's power porn and the intended audience swallows it whole and begs for more. The chains are getting tighter and bit by bit the rules add up. The structure of our society is headed by a gang that has learnt how to be subtle and indirect in its method of control and influence. The police serve an important role in oppressing people and creating a consensus that resistance is futile. Lets just hope people can stand up to it eventually, it already seems to late. Not that we couldnt stand up but that we could never actually win. The bikies may be our last hope in a few years and lets just hope they can get over economics and work together.

I remember reading a 'Biker Fiction' story in the American 'Easyriders' mag
some-time back in the 1980s.

Basically, the Seppo public had grown so tired of their corrupt system that
they voted a bikie gang into power. So the 'Prez' WAS the president!!!

The military came under the control of the Sgt-at-Arms, and so on.

Suffice to say that the 'Dark Side' eventually staged a coup to
remove them, but it was a VERY interesting read.....

Kat wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 1:42pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:32pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:24pm: I was talking with a friend about this last night. We are living in a time where rules are created just so they can be broken. Images of police muscle flexing and crackdowns and brutality serve to cement their authority in the eyes of the citizenry. It's power porn and the intended audience swallows it whole and begs for more. The chains are getting tighter and bit by bit the rules add up. The structure of our society is headed by a gang that has learnt how to be subtle and indirect in its method of control and influence. The police serve an important role in oppressing people and creating a consensus that resistance is futile. Lets just hope people can stand up to it eventually, it already seems to late. Not that we couldnt stand up but that we could never actually win. The bikies may be our last hope in a few years and lets just hope they can get over economics and work together. I remember reading a 'Biker Fiction' story in the American 'Easyriders' mag some-time back in the 1980s. Basically, the Seppo public had grown so tired of their corrupt system that they voted a bikie gang into power. So the 'Prez' WAS the president!!! The military came under the control of the Sgt-at-Arms, and so on. Suffice to say that the 'Dark Side' eventually staged a coup to remove them, but it was a VERY interesting read.....

Haha I was just watching a doco on easyriders.

Sounds like a good story tho.

Its important to note the milita's in America, the name has a very negative stigma but all they do is plan to defend america is the government ever goes rogue etc..
I see bikie gangs as being very similar just they need to realise it, perhaps they do.. But I dunno.

Well I'm all for bikie power, Hell's Angels Rule OK, and a Big Bike on top of Parliament house with engine running 24/7 into loudspeakers over Canberra. Extreme right wing law and order, heavy chain for street guards to enforce dress codes: mini skirts for all sheilas, bare biceps for blokes.
Take trucks off the roads and build six-lane bike freeways to the marijauna state plantations.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 1:14pm:

This is about the time we start standing up for our rights... NSW bikies face tattoo parlour bans http://video.news.com.au/2225030221/NSW-bikies-face-tattoo-parlour-bans Quote: Bikie gangs will be banned from owning tattoo parlours and wearing their colours, in a bid to stop violence. If they can do it to one group in society, they can do it to any. In politics bad things always get seen in a good light, do not light the police state trick you into giving up your freedom and rights for 'safety' which they cannot provide and in many cases do a lot to jeopardize themselves, directly and indirectly.

Yep, I agree, O Farrell is going to find his ass kicked all the way to the high court over this, and he'll lose. This is discrimination, no matter what you think of bikies.

chimera wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 1:51pm:

Well I'm all for bikie power, Hell's Angels Rule OK, and a Big Bike on top of Parliament house with engine running 24/7 into loudspeakers over Canberra. Extreme right wing law and order, heavy chain for street guards to enforce dress codes: mini skirts for all sheilas, bare biceps for blokes. Take trucks off the roads and build six-lane bike freeways to the marijauna state plantations.

So basically just a similar variation of the government in power today

skippy. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 1:57pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:14pm: This is about the time we start standing up for our rights... NSW bikies face tattoo parlour bans http://video.news.com.au/2225030221/NSW-bikies-face-tattoo-parlour-bans Quote: Bikie gangs will be banned from owning tattoo parlours and wearing their colours, in a bid to stop violence. If they can do it to one group in society, they can do it to any. In politics bad things always get seen in a good light, do not light the police state trick you into giving up your freedom and rights for 'safety' which they cannot provide and in many cases do a lot to jeopardize themselves, directly and indirectly. Yep, I agree, O Farrell is going to find his ass kicked all the way to the high court over this, and he'll lose. This is discrimination, no matter what you think of bikies.

And if the high court approves?

skippy. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 1:57pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:14pm: This is about the time we start standing up for our rights... NSW bikies face tattoo parlour bans http://video.news.com.au/2225030221/NSW-bikies-face-tattoo-parlour-bans Quote: Bikie gangs will be banned from owning tattoo parlours and wearing their colours, in a bid to stop violence. If they can do it to one group in society, they can do it to any. In politics bad things always get seen in a good light, do not light the police state trick you into giving up your freedom and rights for 'safety' which they cannot provide and in many cases do a lot to jeopardize themselves, directly and indirectly. Yep, I agree, O Farrell is going to find his ass kicked all the way to the high court over this, and he'll lose. This is discrimination, no matter what you think of bikies.

That's it.

In a nut-shell.

And that's all that SHOULD need to be said.

If YOU don't stand up for THEIR rights now, who will stand
up for YOURS when (not if) it's YOUR turn?

Whoever said "divide and conquer".....spot on.

They start with one group and it slowly but surely spreads to dozens of groups, all hating each other.

I don't know what we can do about this police state that is developing at a rapid pace. It's like we're changing into a powerful and repressive regime where citizens will have no rights left.

It's happened in America, right before our eyes and the people are hardly raising an eyebrow, just taking it like the good little sheeple they are.

We will be the same, except for the select few who have their eyes on the ball, but it seems people are too indifferent to give a fig. Too involved in themselves to even care that the next generations will live under strict government rule.

We have already moved away from being a democratic nation to something else, maybe transitioning toward an autocracy.

Kat wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 2:13pm:

skippy. wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:57pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:14pm: This is about the time we start standing up for our rights... NSW bikies face tattoo parlour bans http://video.news.com.au/2225030221/NSW-bikies-face-tattoo-parlour-bans Quote: Bikie gangs will be banned from owning tattoo parlours and wearing their colours, in a bid to stop violence. If they can do it to one group in society, they can do it to any. In politics bad things always get seen in a good light, do not light the police state trick you into giving up your freedom and rights for 'safety' which they cannot provide and in many cases do a lot to jeopardize themselves, directly and indirectly. Yep, I agree, O Farrell is going to find his ass kicked all the way to the high court over this, and he'll lose. This is discrimination, no matter what you think of bikies. That's it. In a nut-shell. And that's all that SHOULD need to be said.

But what when saying it is not enough?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 2:15pm:

Whoever said "divide and conquer".....spot on. They start with one group and it slowly but surely spreads to dozens of groups, all hating each other. I don't know what we can do about this police state that is developing at a rapid pace. It's like we're changing into a powerful and repressive regime where citizens will have no rights left. It's happened in America, right before our eyes and the people are hardly raising an eyebrow, just taking it like the good little sheeple they are. We will be the same, except for the select few who have their eyes on the ball, but it seems people are too indifferent to give a fig. Too involved in themselves to even care that the next generations will live under strict government rule. We have already moved away from being a democratic nation to something else, maybe transitioning toward an autocracy.

We virtually are the same, if not worse.

Political Puppet wrote:- "But what when saying it is not enough? "



That, I don't know, PP.

I wish I did.

Kat wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 2:18pm:

Political Puppet wrote:- "But what when saying it is not enough? " That, I don't know, PP. I wish I did.

Sucks

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 2:13pm:

skippy. wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:57pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:14pm: This is about the time we start standing up for our rights... NSW bikies face tattoo parlour bans http://video.news.com.au/2225030221/NSW-bikies-face-tattoo-parlour-bans Quote: Bikie gangs will be banned from owning tattoo parlours and wearing their colours, in a bid to stop violence. If they can do it to one group in society, they can do it to any. In politics bad things always get seen in a good light, do not light the police state trick you into giving up your freedom and rights for 'safety' which they cannot provide and in many cases do a lot to jeopardize themselves, directly and indirectly. Yep, I agree, O Farrell is going to find his ass kicked all the way to the high court over this, and he'll lose. This is discrimination, no matter what you think of bikies. And if the high court approves?

I don't know how many of you have had much to do with outlaw bike clubs but they are capable of some extraordinarily vicious behaviour. When you are at one of their club houses you keep your mouth shut and head down, watch your back and be grateful you got out without catching some ones eye.

I have had some very good mates that wear colours but when the club is a gang it is not pretty. Yes they will defend against these laws and win as they did in SA. That is their right in this society but if you think they will back you up if the government goes Ferrel you are deluding yourself.

nairbe wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 3:33pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 2:13pm: skippy. wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:57pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:14pm: This is about the time we start standing up for our rights... NSW bikies face tattoo parlour bans http://video.news.com.au/2225030221/NSW-bikies-face-tattoo-parlour-bans Quote: Bikie gangs will be banned from owning tattoo parlours and wearing their colours, in a bid to stop violence. If they can do it to one group in society, they can do it to any. In politics bad things always get seen in a good light, do not light the police state trick you into giving up your freedom and rights for 'safety' which they cannot provide and in many cases do a lot to jeopardize themselves, directly and indirectly. Yep, I agree, O Farrell is going to find his ass kicked all the way to the high court over this, and he'll lose. This is discrimination, no matter what you think of bikies. And if the high court approves? I don't know how many of you have had much to do with outlaw bike clubs but they are capable of some extraordinarily vicious behaviour. When you are at one of their club houses you keep your mouth shut and head down, watch your back and be grateful you got out without catching some ones eye. I have had some very good mates that wear colours but when the club is a gang it is not pretty. Yes they will defend against these laws and win as they did in SA. That is their right in this society but if you think they will back you up if the government goes Ferrel you are deluding yourself.

I know they wont defend the government,
but I wonder if they will act as militia groups if need be

nairbe wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 3:33pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 2:13pm: skippy. wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:57pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:14pm: This is about the time we start standing up for our rights... NSW bikies face tattoo parlour bans http://video.news.com.au/2225030221/NSW-bikies-face-tattoo-parlour-bans Quote: Bikie gangs will be banned from owning tattoo parlours and wearing their colours, in a bid to stop violence. If they can do it to one group in society, they can do it to any. In politics bad things always get seen in a good light, do not light the police state trick you into giving up your freedom and rights for 'safety' which they cannot provide and in many cases do a lot to jeopardize themselves, directly and indirectly. Yep, I agree, O Farrell is going to find his ass kicked all the way to the high court over this, and he'll lose. This is discrimination, no matter what you think of bikies. And if the high court approves? I don't know how many of you have had much to do with outlaw bike clubs but they are capable of some extraordinarily vicious behaviour. When you are at one of their club houses you keep your mouth shut and head down, watch your back and be grateful you got out without catching some ones eye. I have had some very good mates that wear colours but when the club is a gang it is not pretty. Yes they will defend against these laws and win as they did in SA. That is their right in this society but if you think they will back you up if the government goes Ferrel you are deluding yourself.

I agree ... they consider themselves a law unto themselves .. i was driving through Wollongong once when I came to a red traffic light .. bikers were travelling into the other direction, four bikes went across the intersection so that they could block all avenues across the intersection, and then waved their biker mates through ... a car 4 or 5 cars back started beeping his horn, he could see that he had a green light but couldn't see anything else and was wondering what the hold up was .. another biker turned around, rode the wrong way through oncoming traffic (although traffic was banked up) until he reached this car and told the driver that if he beeped the horn again he would rip the horn out and shove it up his arse .. the driver had his young kids in the car ... I was shocked that they could get away with this, on a busy city street in broad daylight .. two police on bikes were further up the road watching but not about to get involved as they were outnumbered 300 to 2 ....

It's a shocking state of affairs when this total disregard for the law and for the general public happens .. something needs to be done ..
'
Having said that, I'm not so sure O'Farrell is going about it the right way .. but bikers must be stopped  ... I'm not talking about a social motorbike club or dyke's on bikes etc, but those that think they are above the law.

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 3:44pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 3:33pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 2:13pm: skippy. wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:57pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:14pm: This is about the time we start standing up for our rights... NSW bikies face tattoo parlour bans http://video.news.com.au/2225030221/NSW-bikies-face-tattoo-parlour-bans Quote: Bikie gangs will be banned from owning tattoo parlours and wearing their colours, in a bid to stop violence. If they can do it to one group in society, they can do it to any. In politics bad things always get seen in a good light, do not light the police state trick you into giving up your freedom and rights for 'safety' which they cannot provide and in many cases do a lot to jeopardize themselves, directly and indirectly. Yep, I agree, O Farrell is going to find his ass kicked all the way to the high court over this, and he'll lose. This is discrimination, no matter what you think of bikies. And if the high court approves? I don't know how many of you have had much to do with outlaw bike clubs but they are capable of some extraordinarily vicious behaviour. When you are at one of their club houses you keep your mouth shut and head down, watch your back and be grateful you got out without catching some ones eye. I have had some very good mates that wear colours but when the club is a gang it is not pretty. Yes they will defend against these laws and win as they did in SA. That is their right in this society but if you think they will back you up if the government goes Ferrel you are deluding yourself. I agree ... they consider themselves a law unto themselves .. i was driving through Wollongong once when I came to a red traffic light .. bikers were travelling into the other direction, four bikes went across the intersection so that they could block all avenues across the intersection, and then waved their biker mates through ... a car 4 or 5 cars back started beeping his horn, he could see that he had a green light but couldn't see anything else and was wondering what the hold up was .. another biker turned around, rode the wrong way through oncoming traffic (although traffic was banked up) until he reached this car and told the driver that if he beeped the horn again he would rip the horn out and shove it up his arse .. the driver had his young kids in the car ... I was shocked that they could get away with this, on a busy city street in broad daylight .. two police on bikes were further up the road watching but not about to get involved as they were outnumbered 300 to 2 .... It's a shocking state of affairs when this total disregard for the law and for the general public happens .. something needs to be done .. ' Having said that, I'm not so sure O'Farrell is going about it the right way .. but bikers must be stopped  ... I'm not talking about a social motorbike club or dyke's on bikes etc, but those that think they are above the law.

Not that I agree with that,
but if the government has the right to make up bullcrap laws then so should they I guess.

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.. two police on bikes were further up the road watching but not about to get involved as they were outnumbered 300 to 2 ....

Yes the bikies have formed  paramilitary organisations that
are too big for the police to control.
They rule the streets.

As an 18 year Police Veteran, I can tell you that the Bikie gangs are organised along military lines right down to a Sergeant At Arms


They call themselves the 1% ers i.e. The 1% of the population that operate outside of the law. The only laws they obey are the laws they set for themselves as bikers.

They are responsible for the enormous majority of drugs in this Country.

It is time to give the Police the power to form an enormous strike force whose full time duty is control of the biker gangs.

They need to be broken up forever.

This is an enormous undertaking and is tantamount to the State declaring War on them. Which is must do if law and order is to be restored to the State of New South Wales.

I agree things are out of control. The ONLY WAY to handle this, is through zero tolerance. Even if the military specialist sections and I AM nominating S.A.S. here; need to be brought in to help- Police in what is developing into a do we or do we not have Anarchy in this State with the Bikie gangs calling the shot.

The long and powerful arms of the bikers reach into every area of society and I am talking rich and powerful people. Would it surprise you to know that some of our top Q.C.s are moonlight bikers.

Don't think for a second that they are all morons, they are not, there are highly skilled people in those organisations and they are VERY, VERY DANGEROUS.

During my career I spent years in a  covert area of the Force. I was heavily involved with surveillance of a particular Biker gang. Which through a task force's efforts, managed to break up the gang, to a great degree.

The principals went to gaol for many years for drug trafficking.

BUT LIKE A TEN HEADED MONSTER IT HAS COME BACK FROM OBLIVION.

WE MUST DECLARE WAR ON OUTLAW BIKER CLUBS NOW!!!!

Baron,
The NSW cops are one of the biggest forces in the world.
They should be able to stop them.'
Maybe they do need the SAS.

It is essential to remember one thing....

If you let this go through to the 'keeper simply because
you 'don't like bikies' or because 'bikies are scum', then
you are no better than they are.

And, somewhere down the track, YOU will be next. Bank on it!

You do not deserve freedom, because you give it up so cheaply.

Kat wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 4:43pm:

It is essential to remember one thing.... If you let this go through to the 'keeper simply because you 'don't like bikies' or because 'bikies are scum', then you are no better than they are. And, somewhere down the track, YOU will be next. Bank on it! You do not deserve freedom, because you give it up so cheaply.

The thing is - it can get much worse until it is a war.
It won't be until police are killed in a shootout -
Then - the Govt. will get really serious.
Look at what has happened in Mexico.
It's a full on war with drug cartels.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 4:50pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 4:43pm: It is essential to remember one thing.... If you let this go through to the 'keeper simply because you 'don't like bikies' or because 'bikies are scum', then you are no better than they are. And, somewhere down the track, YOU will be next. Bank on it! You do not deserve freedom, because you give it up so cheaply. The thing is - it can get much worse until it is a war. It won't be until police are killed in a shootout - Then - the Govt. will get really serious. Look at what has happened in Mexico. It's a full on war with drug cartels.

Lol. They already planned for that though didnt they in the howard regime. No auto or semi auto guns.

SOB

Maybe the bikies can import high powered weapons & get them past customs?

Bobby the bat, when I joined the cops I was 32 an old grandfather in those days. The max age in was 35 then Now it somethng like 55!). I had had the advantage of a military career before I joined the Police and I am a veteran of 2 tours of duty in active zones.

I could not believe how amateurish the Police were in regard to large scale operations. The T.R.G. or tactical response group of its day were, in my opinion poorly trained and you only have to go as far as the Macquarie Fields riots. An area incidentally where i did my general Duties Training. That was a riot that never should have been a riot.

The Police tactics were so bad they were embarrassing.

Now I have been out of the cops for a bit now and I hope that their tactics and training have improved out of sight, because they damn well needed to be.

I still have great reservations about how Police are trained to handle large scale lawlessness like the Bikers.

I cannot see anything wrong with enlisting the S.A.S. to help with this situation. '

I will quote some history for you. When the cops had huge problems in the Rocks with razor gangs they formed 21 Division, a Police unit full of hardened returned soldiers.

They went in and belted the living bejeesus out of them. In no time at all the Rocks and the razor gangs were under control.

All we need is the will to do something about it and we can wipe the floor with the bikers.

Red, dont you see the government is just another gang.
The bikies are no worse.
Police are the hired goons of the government


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They are responsible for the enormous majority of drugs in this Country.

Actually pharmaceutical corporations are.


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It is time to give the Police the power to form an enormous strike force whose full time duty is control of the biker gangs.

They already have this power,
they already have every power they need.

The issue here is about saying who can run what and who can wear what.
There is no reason the police or law should dictate over stuff like that.


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WE MUST DECLARE WAR ON OUTLAW BIKER CLUBS NOW!!!!

We MUST declare war on the government.
get your priorities straight.

We are losing our civil liberties and we must take affirmative action or suffer the consequences.

Whatcha gunna do when they come for you

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 6:34pm:

We are losing our civil liberties and we must take affirmative action or suffer the consequences. Whatcha gunna do when they come for you

Yeah. What do we do though? Lobby?

http://lobbyists.pmc.gov.au/

SOB

Sorry I just hate the idea of seeing Gillard spread across the passenger seat.

O.K. Political Puppet, for a start Police are not 'goons' as you have called them. Each Police Officer who joins must undertake and complete a University Degree. So they are not uneducated, on the contrary they are extremely well educated.

You see Puppet, we as a Society are at the crossroads. Do we surrender the streets to Bilker gangs who peddle mind bending and killing drugs such as Ecstasy to our youth (and not so young)?

Or do we take control, with the professional body of Police who are, as author Joseph Wambaugh described them, Blue Knights?


It is getting a little tiresome, every time Police take strong action for strong circumstances and having the Civil Liberty idiots come out and make statements like they have today without any conception whatsoever in regard to the situation.

Take today's drama.

The car was driven up on the footpath outside Bada Bing nightclub (name ripped off from the Sopranos  T.V. show)

The subject stolen Honda Civic which contained two teenage boys in the front, the driver 14 and the passenger 18. In the back were a mixture of 4 passengers from 14 to 24 years of age.

The car mounted the footpath which was full of pedestrian traffic.

A volley of shots was fired into the Bada Bing nightclub.

The car took off with nearby Police in pursuit. It careered down the footpath and drove over a female pedestrian causing serious injuries.

At this stage Police open fire, wounding both men in the front of the car.

Their action was entirely appropriate because the Police  charter is to defend life and property; had real and sudden concern that the car was going to try and escape by mowing down a path for itself along the footpath.
The road was grid locked.

I applaud the Police for their decisive action. The public have been crying for decisive action, early today they got it.

As I have previously said, "if you are old enough to brandish a gun, then you are old enough to be the subject of your own actions."

Enough Police have died at the hands of criminals.

So please Puppet, temper your statements based on sound fact and not on  rhetoric.

red baron wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 5:39pm:

Bobby the bat, when I joined the cops I was 32 an old grandfather in those days. The max age in was 35 then Now it somethng like 55!). I had had the advantage of a military career before I joined the Police and I am a veteran of 2 tours of duty in active zones. I could not believe how amateurish the Police were in regard to large scale operations. The T.R.G. or tactical response group of its day were, in my opinion poorly trained and you only have to go as far as the Macquarie Fields riots. An area incidentally where i did my general Duties Training. That was a riot that never should have been a riot. The Police tactics were so bad they were embarrassing. Now I have been out of the cops for a bit now and I hope that their tactics and training have improved out of sight, because they damn well needed to be. I still have great reservations about how Police are trained to handle large scale lawlessness like the Bikers. I cannot see anything wrong with enlisting the S.A.S. to help with this situation. ' I will quote some history for you. When the cops had huge problems in the Rocks with razor gangs they formed 21 Division, a Police unit full of hardened returned soldiers. They went in and belted the living bejeesus out of them. In no time at all the Rocks and the razor gangs were under control. All we need is the will to do something about it and we can wipe the floor with the bikers.

We need more people like Red Baron -
he would fix the problem.

No, we just ask the Justice dept to issue summons for traffic infringement, assault, murder and littering.

Now chimera I know you are being cryptic, ironic, call it what you  might. But you might like to expand you argument a little..

Expand what? Justice dept handles the courts system and the Rule of Law.
Summons is used after police with woofy uni degree, or the public, give evidence that an offence may have been committed. DPP then prosecutes. DPP is Director of public Prosecutions.
Traffic infringement is..ohh what the ...

chimera..are you trying to explain due process...Uhhh I think that with 18 years of Policing in Traffic, Management, Covert, Police Video Unit and General Duties I might just have an inkling of due process..but thanks for your somewhat murky explanation.

red baron wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 8:45pm:

chimera..are you trying to explain due process...Uhhh I think that with 18 years of Policing in Traffic, Management, Covert, Police Video Unit and General Duties I might just have an inkling of due process..but thanks for your somewhat murky explanation.

Hi Red Baron,
The cops know where the club houses are & probably know
where every member's address is.

Why not just round them up & jail them?

They could trump up charges to hold them e.g.
" being a member of a criminal organisation.  "

rb,
Yes I thought you may have. Would you care to elucidate to an extended perscipacity the alluded comport attendant on this interlocution? please.

Not really a uni degree to join Qld police. A Justice Certificate or a couple of other entry options are available.

Why does red baron ask what does it mean to issue summons against bikies?

Lost in translation chimera, I mean the words are coming from you but what do they mean???????????????????????

Socialist Alliance, anyone who has been  reading my detailed posts on this issue knows that I am talking about  the NSW Police Force which does have extremely high educational demands.

However, I will say that does not make Qld Police inferior. Many a good Cop has come from the country in particular before the new standards and made great Police.

However we live in an age that demands high standards and those standards are being met by the NSW Police Force.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 8:53pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 8:45pm: chimera..are you trying to explain due process...Uhhh I think that with 18 years of Policing in Traffic, Management, Covert, Police Video Unit and General Duties I might just have an inkling of due process..but thanks for your somewhat murky explanation. Hi Red Baron, The cops know where the club houses are & probably know where every member's address is. Why not just round them up & jail them? They could trump up charges to hold them e.g. " being a member of a criminal organisation.  "

Bump to Red Baron.

chimera wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 8:38pm:

Expand what? Justice dept handles the courts system and the Rule of Law. Summons is used after police with woofy uni degree, or the public, give evidence that an offence may have been committed. DPP then prosecutes. DPP is Director of public Prosecutions. Traffic infringement is..ohh what the ...

you need to get out in the real world ... you don't go to a gang of bikies with your law degree and ask them to hand themselves in because they've committed an offense ... its a good way to get your skull cracked ... you actually think they care or are worried by a badge or title? Most of the ones I know will laugh at you if you even try, and then shove that badge where the sun doesn't shine ....

red baron wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 9:23am:

Lost in translation chimera, I mean the words are coming from you but what do they mean?

I said the Justice dept can issue summons against bikies. (So no need for vigilante soldiers to attack the gangs).
What exactly do you want me to explain about a summons?

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O.K. Political Puppet, for a start Police are not 'goons' as you have called them. Each Police Officer who joins must undertake and complete a University Degree. So they are not uneducated, on the contrary they are extremely well educated.

Goon was just an expression, but regardless of the education they are hired muscle, no different then if a bikie gang wanted to hire someone for protection or enforcment.


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You see Puppet, we as a Society are at the crossroads. Do we surrender the streets to Bilker gangs who peddle mind bending and killing drugs such as Ecstasy to our youth (and not so young)? Or do we take control, with the professional body of Police who are, as author Joseph Wambaugh described them, Blue Knights?

I believe that drugs should be legal and that what they are doing is justified and moral.
People make their own choices in life and the bikies are just there to offer a product.
Where there is demand there is supply, always, no exceptions.

The police enforce a system of dangerous mind bending pharmaceutical drugs, why are they ok?


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It is getting a little tiresome, every time Police take strong action for strong circumstances and having the Civil Liberty idiots come out and make statements like they have today without any conception whatsoever in regard to the situation. Take today's drama.

What do tattoos and colours have to do with some random kid crashing a car?
I agree that force was needed in that situtation.
I have no problem with police using force in a situation when someone is a serious threat to someones health.


Police need to take a good hard long look at their boss (the government)
and realise that it is just another gang
do not isolate yourself from your public
be sensitive and supportive of the people you serve
do not target the little guys
and do not ruin peoples lives for victimless crime.

[quote ] you don't go to a gang of bikies with your law degree and ask them to hand themselves in because they've committed an offense ... its a good way to get your skull cracked ...[/quote]
You may have noticed those things on a police belt. Cans and metal products? Used for humans who may be suspects, causing a male to lie face down on pavement not breathing.

red baron wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 9:26am:

Socialist Alliance, anyone who has been  reading my detailed posts on this issue knows that I am talking about  the NSW Police Force which does have extremely high educational demands. However, I will say that does not make Qld Police inferior. Many a good Cop has come from the country in particular before the new standards and made great Police. However we live in an age that demands high standards and those standards are being met by the NSW Police Force.

We have previously spoken on this and i completely disagree, the NSW police are failing the chalenge. Whether by poor culture within the Dept. or lack of required funding, resourcing and post operational support i would say it is a mixture. Your defence is understandable as you have much invested personally but please the evidence is clear that law and order is in break down.

Sickening video of police out of control. The youth has been shot already, then the cop lays into him in full view of 200 people.

When will the cops learn that there are cameras out there. If you do it you will be caught on camera.

Copping it at The Cross

This exclusive footage by The Sunday Telegraph shows the dramatic arrest of 18-year-old Troy Taylor, who was shot then punched by NSW Polic...

http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/2225332442/Copping-it-at-The-Cross

chimera wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 10:42am:

[quote ] you don't go to a gang of bikies with your law degree and ask them to hand themselves in because they've committed an offense ... its a good way to get your skull cracked ...

You may have noticed those things on a police belt. Cans and metal products? Used for humans who may be suspects, causing a male to lie face down on pavement not breathing.[/quote]

You'll find that most times, the bikies are better armed and the police are outnumbered ... the only time the police are really prepared to deal with them are when they pull in resources from across the state and form a task force ..

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 7:00pm:

Sickening video of police out of control. The youth has been shot already, then the cop lays into him in full view of 200 people. When will the cops learn that there are cameras out there. If you do it you will be caught on camera. Copping it at The Cross This exclusive footage by The Sunday Telegraph shows the dramatic arrest of 18-year-old Troy Taylor, who was shot then punched by NSW Polic... http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/2225332442/Copping-it-at-The-Cross

Those cameras do the community a disservice .. the more often that happens, the less the police will be inclined to act ... the civil libitarians are help crimes run riot ... go back to the old days when you did something wrong, police beat you up a bit and sent you home with a warning ... courts weren't as busy, prisons weren't as full, and often the kids learn't their lesson before things got to far ...

I saw the footage on tv, but didn't the same kids earlier shoot into a night club? pull a gun and you deserve whatever you get .

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 7:00pm:

Sickening video of police out of control. The youth has been shot already, then the cop lays into him in full view of 200 people. When will the cops learn that there are cameras out there. If you do it you will be caught on camera. Copping it at The Cross This exclusive footage by The Sunday Telegraph shows the dramatic arrest of 18-year-old Troy Taylor, who was shot then punched by NSW Polic... http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/2225332442/Copping-it-at-The-Cross

Wow what pigs
hope they get charged with assualt

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 7:07pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:00pm: Sickening video of police out of control. The youth has been shot already, then the cop lays into him in full view of 200 people. When will the cops learn that there are cameras out there. If you do it you will be caught on camera. Copping it at The Cross This exclusive footage by The Sunday Telegraph shows the dramatic arrest of 18-year-old Troy Taylor, who was shot then punched by NSW Polic... http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/2225332442/Copping-it-at-The-Cross Those cameras do the community a disservice .. the more often that happens, the less the police will be inclined to act ... the civil libitarians are help crimes run riot ... go back to the old days when you did something wrong, police beat you up a bit and sent you home with a warning ... courts weren't as busy, prisons weren't as full, and often the kids learn't their lesson before things got to far ... I saw the footage on tv, but didn't the same kids earlier shoot into a night club? pull a gun and you deserve whatever you get .

The officer was committing a crime when he assaulted an already subdued assailant.
Force is only legal when someone’s life is at threat and this was not the case in the video.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 7:13pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:07pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:00pm: Sickening video of police out of control. The youth has been shot already, then the cop lays into him in full view of 200 people. When will the cops learn that there are cameras out there. If you do it you will be caught on camera. Copping it at The Cross This exclusive footage by The Sunday Telegraph shows the dramatic arrest of 18-year-old Troy Taylor, who was shot then punched by NSW Polic... http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/2225332442/Copping-it-at-The-Cross Those cameras do the community a disservice .. the more often that happens, the less the police will be inclined to act ... the civil libitarians are help crimes run riot ... go back to the old days when you did something wrong, police beat you up a bit and sent you home with a warning ... courts weren't as busy, prisons weren't as full, and often the kids learn't their lesson before things got to far ... I saw the footage on tv, but didn't the same kids earlier shoot into a night club? pull a gun and you deserve whatever you get . The officer was committing a crime when he assaulted an already subdued assailant. Force is only legal when someone’s life is at threat and this was not the case in the video.

And thats exactly part of the problem ... you use whatever force you need to to make sure you get home safely to your family ... the rules protect the crooks and screw the cops.. if he didn't like he he should never have pulled out a gun ... these people have no regard for anyone else's rights, I believe that if they act in such a manner they forfeit their own human rights ... the crooks are taking over the streets , and the police are to scared to do anything because they are worried about being sacked or charged themselves. ... sometimes i wonder if some of the other cultures have the right idea .. chop the hands of a theif, allow the victims to decide the pinishment  etc.. the civil libertarians are destroying our streets ... sure, we need a balance, but the pendulum is swinging too far the wrong way ... its time to stop it.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 7:11pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:00pm: Sickening video of police out of control. The youth has been shot already, then the cop lays into him in full view of 200 people. When will the cops learn that there are cameras out there. If you do it you will be caught on camera. Copping it at The Cross This exclusive footage by The Sunday Telegraph shows the dramatic arrest of 18-year-old Troy Taylor, who was shot then punched by NSW Polic... http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/2225332442/Copping-it-at-The-Cross Wow what pigs hope they get charged with assualt

Assault? no way! they'll get some counseling, or at least that's what the corrective services dept. will tell News Ltd.

Who wants a police state? not me. The cops are out of control. Hasn't there been eight shootings in one week? Gun happy rednecks.

Civil liberties.....bring 'em back!

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 7:32pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:13pm: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:07pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:00pm: Sickening video of police out of control. The youth has been shot already, then the cop lays into him in full view of 200 people. When will the cops learn that there are cameras out there. If you do it you will be caught on camera. Copping it at The Cross This exclusive footage by The Sunday Telegraph shows the dramatic arrest of 18-year-old Troy Taylor, who was shot then punched by NSW Polic... http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/2225332442/Copping-it-at-The-Cross Those cameras do the community a disservice .. the more often that happens, the less the police will be inclined to act ... the civil libitarians are help crimes run riot ... go back to the old days when you did something wrong, police beat you up a bit and sent you home with a warning ... courts weren't as busy, prisons weren't as full, and often the kids learn't their lesson before things got to far ... I saw the footage on tv, but didn't the same kids earlier shoot into a night club? pull a gun and you deserve whatever you get . The officer was committing a crime when he assaulted an already subdued assailant. Force is only legal when someone’s life is at threat and this was not the case in the video. And thats exactly part of the problem ... you use whatever force you need to to make sure you get home safely to your family ... the rules protect the crooks and screw the cops.. if he didn't like he he should never have pulled out a gun ... these people have no regard for anyone else's rights, I believe that if they act in such a manner they forfeit their own human rights ... the crooks are taking over the streets , and the police are to scared to do anything because they are worried about being sacked or charged themselves. ... sometimes i wonder if some of the other cultures have the right idea .. chop the hands of a theif, allow the victims to decide the pinishment  etc.. the civil libertarians are destroying our streets ... sure, we need a balance, but the pendulum is swinging too far the wrong way ... its time to stop it.

I have nothing against police using force when needed but it was clearly not needed when the suspect was already subdued.
This is an illegal action on behalf of the officer who assaulted him.
Cops are just muscle working for a big gang.
Freedom is dying, rebellion is a natural reaction.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 7:41pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:32pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:13pm: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:07pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:00pm: Sickening video of police out of control. The youth has been shot already, then the cop lays into him in full view of 200 people. When will the cops learn that there are cameras out there. If you do it you will be caught on camera. Copping it at The Cross This exclusive footage by The Sunday Telegraph shows the dramatic arrest of 18-year-old Troy Taylor, who was shot then punched by NSW Polic... http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/2225332442/Copping-it-at-The-Cross Those cameras do the community a disservice .. the more often that happens, the less the police will be inclined to act ... the civil libitarians are help crimes run riot ... go back to the old days when you did something wrong, police beat you up a bit and sent you home with a warning ... courts weren't as busy, prisons weren't as full, and often the kids learn't their lesson before things got to far ... I saw the footage on tv, but didn't the same kids earlier shoot into a night club? pull a gun and you deserve whatever you get . The officer was committing a crime when he assaulted an already subdued assailant. Force is only legal when someone’s life is at threat and this was not the case in the video. And thats exactly part of the problem ... you use whatever force you need to to make sure you get home safely to your family ... the rules protect the crooks and screw the cops.. if he didn't like he he should never have pulled out a gun ... these people have no regard for anyone else's rights, I believe that if they act in such a manner they forfeit their own human rights ... the crooks are taking over the streets , and the police are to scared to do anything because they are worried about being sacked or charged themselves. ... sometimes i wonder if some of the other cultures have the right idea .. chop the hands of a theif, allow the victims to decide the pinishment  etc.. the civil libertarians are destroying our streets ... sure, we need a balance, but the pendulum is swinging too far the wrong way ... its time to stop it. I have nothing against police using force when needed but it was clearly not needed when the suspect was already subdued. This is an illegal action on behalf of the officer who assaulted him. Cops are just muscle working for a big gang. Freedom is dying, rebellion is a natural reaction.

That big gangs job is to make sure you and I go to sleep safely at night .. that gang risks their lives every day to make sure we are safe ... I'd rather that gang than another ... its easy to sit and judge ..
I've had my run in with cops (traffic offenses)  and I get pissed of at them, but I have to at least respect the fact that they go out every day not knowing if they will come home, something I'm not willing to do myself ... you try it before you judge them . I live on the GC, a young cop  was shot here last year .. you tell his wife and kids about the crims rights. I know if I had to do it, bugger them, I rate my health above that of any crook.  If I have to give him an extra couple of punches to make sure, I make sure.

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That big gangs job is to make sure you and I go to sleep safely at night .. that gang risks their lives every day to make sure we are safe ... I'd rather that gang than another ... its easy to sit and judge .. I've had my run in with cops (traffic offenses)  and I get pissed of at them, but I have to at least respect the fact that they go out every day not knowing if they will come home, something I'm not willing to do myself ... you try it before you judge them . I live on the GC, a young cop  was shot here last year .. you tell his wife and kids about the crims rights. I know if I had to do it, bugger them, I rate my health above that of any crook.  If I have to give him an extra couple of punches to make sure, I make sure.

Well a good way for them to better assure their safety is to not be complete assholes to the public.
They do a lot of good, they also do a lot of bad.
They need to take responsibility and stop the bad things.
If people can respect the law they are less likely to break it.

You may do what you want but it is illegal and I thought cops were ment to.. I dunno follow the bloody law

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 7:54pm:

Quote: That big gangs job is to make sure you and I go to sleep safely at night .. that gang risks their lives every day to make sure we are safe ... I'd rather that gang than another ... its easy to sit and judge .. I've had my run in with cops (traffic offenses)  and I get pissed of at them, but I have to at least respect the fact that they go out every day not knowing if they will come home, something I'm not willing to do myself ... you try it before you judge them . I live on the GC, a young cop  was shot here last year .. you tell his wife and kids about the crims rights. I know if I had to do it, bugger them, I rate my health above that of any crook.  If I have to give him an extra couple of punches to make sure, I make sure. Well a good way for them to better assure their safety is to not be complete assholes to the public. They do a lot of good, they also do a lot of bad. They need to take responsibility and stop the bad things. If people can respect the law they are less likely to break it. You may do what you want but it is illegal and I thought cops were ment to.. I dunno follow the bloody law

the rules are only any good if both teams play by the same rules ...

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 7:56pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:54pm: Quote: That big gangs job is to make sure you and I go to sleep safely at night .. that gang risks their lives every day to make sure we are safe ... I'd rather that gang than another ... its easy to sit and judge .. I've had my run in with cops (traffic offenses)  and I get pissed of at them, but I have to at least respect the fact that they go out every day not knowing if they will come home, something I'm not willing to do myself ... you try it before you judge them . I live on the GC, a young cop  was shot here last year .. you tell his wife and kids about the crims rights. I know if I had to do it, bugger them, I rate my health above that of any crook.  If I have to give him an extra couple of punches to make sure, I make sure. Well a good way for them to better assure their safety is to not be complete assholes to the public. They do a lot of good, they also do a lot of bad. They need to take responsibility and stop the bad things. If people can respect the law they are less likely to break it. You may do what you want but it is illegal and I thought cops were ment to.. I dunno follow the bloody law the rules are only any good if both teams play by the same rules ...

Hitting someone when they are subdued is illegal. Enough said.

I've read a lot about the Cops and how bad they were.

But I have read very little about the car load of criminals, who wantonly ran down two women injuring one of them very seriously.

What about the actions of those crims..who wanted to drive on and mow down the whole street, so they could make good their escape?

What about them?

Oh yes that's right, there were Aboriginals involved weren't there! Yes can't go criticising them, they have a free pass to everything.

Personally I think those Cops were heros in stopping what could have been a massacre. And if there had have been there'd be plenty on this site right, now asking why the Cops didn't do their job!

There is a lot of respect for police. It's the few that bring disrespect upon themselves. Just like your slur on all Aboriginal people doesn't bring much credit to yourself.

red baron wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 8:51pm:

I've read a lot about the Cops and how bad they were. But I have read very little about the car load of criminals, who wantonly ran down two women injuring one of them very seriously. What about the actions of those crims..who wanted to drive on and mow down the whole street, so they could make good their escape? What about them? Oh yes that's right, there were Aboriginals involved weren't there! Yes can't go criticising them, they have a free pass to everything. Personally I think those Cops were heros in stopping what could have been a massacre. And if there had have been there'd be plenty on this site right, now asking why the Cops didn't do their job!

Yeah couldn't believe the front page this morning,Aboriginal elders complaining because one of their criminal youth copped a punch in the head.No mention of the car owner or the people they ran down.

Frankly the copper should have shot him in the head, saved us all alot of tax dollars feeding him in prision then also saved a lot of heartache for his future victims when he gets out.


But then again I'm a WASP so it's all my fault.

What happened Smithy?

You got a smack from one of our Aboriginal brothers one night while you were strolling down Hunter St?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 7:11pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:00pm: Sickening video of police out of control. The youth has been shot already, then the cop lays into him in full view of 200 people. When will the cops learn that there are cameras out there. If you do it you will be caught on camera. Copping it at The Cross This exclusive footage by The Sunday Telegraph shows the dramatic arrest of 18-year-old Troy Taylor, who was shot then punched by NSW Polic... http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/2225332442/Copping-it-at-The-Cross Wow what pigs hope they get charged with assualt

The Cops beat people up like that here in Melbourne too.
Usually happens during protests.

Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 9:13pm:

What happened Smithy? You got a smack from one of our Aboriginal brothers one night while you were strolling down Hunter St?

HA, nope but had a few run ins with the tribe of coconuts at the old high from the hostel up the road.
But that aside just fed up to the backteeth with these idiots getting away with everything & the fact everything someone elses fault.
bugger'em.

To say that I'm against all Aboriginals is a lie. What I am against is ANY  RACE of people being given special treatment by the authorities or the media or whoever.

But there is a sector amongst the Aboriginals, who feel they they deserve more than the rest of the public at large. It is this sector that I level my criticism at, both the Aboriginal activists and those in the media who are too afraid to publish the truth about them.

I state as an example the way Aboriginal Activists hijacked the medal presentation in Canberra to the Emergency Service workers. An event where Prime Minister Gillard was handing out the awards.

The Aboriginals did no service to their race by their disgraceful behaviour and THAT is the type of thing I am talking about.

red baron wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 9:23pm:

To say that I'm against all Aboriginals is a lie. What I am against is ANY  RACE of people being given special treatment by the authorities or the media or whoever. But there is a sector amongst the Aboriginals, who feel they they deserve more than the rest of the public at large. It is this sector that I level my criticism at, both the Aboriginal activists and those in the media who are too afraid to publish the truth about them. I state as an example the way Aboriginal Activists hijacked the medal presentation in Canberra to the Emergency Service workers. An event where Prime Minister Gillard was handing out the awards. The Aboriginals did no service to their race by their disgraceful behaviour and THAT is the type of thing I am talking about.

Knowing quite a few Aboriginal people your description of them falls someone short. I don't mind you criticizing the actions of individuals and identifiable groups but don't blame their shortcomings on their race and be careful not to stereotype the whole Aboriginal community.

MOTR I get what your saying. So I will put it on record that I have nothing whatsoever against the Aboriginal community at large. However I am not happy with the image the Aboriginal Activists portray supposedly on behalf of their people.

red baron wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 9:43pm:

MOTR I get what your saying. So I will put it on record that I have nothing whatsoever against the Aboriginal community at large. However I am not happy with the image the Aboriginal Activists portray supposedly on behalf of their people.

I'm glad to hear that. There are plenty of Aboriginal activists that do it well and I think some of them are unfairly portrayed in the media, but that doesn't mean they all do it well. There are still many injustices and inequities experienced by Aboriginal people, so activism is necessary.

red baron
Would you write that in  this way:
I'm not happy with the image the Cronulla rioters portrayed supposedly on behalf of their people.

red baron wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 8:51pm:

I've read a lot about the Cops and how bad they were. But I have read very little about the car load of criminals, who wantonly ran down two women injuring one of them very seriously. What about the actions of those crims..who wanted to drive on and mow down the whole street, so they could make good their escape? What about them? Oh yes that's right, there were Aboriginals involved weren't there! Yes can't go criticising them, they have a free pass to everything. Personally I think those Cops were heros in stopping what could have been a massacre. And if there had have been there'd be plenty on this site right, now asking why the Cops didn't do their job!

I agree, I only said something when I found out that an officer had assualted the suspect when he was already 100% subdued.
We both know when force is and isnt illegal.
Surely limiting and punisihing behaviour like this could help police safety when on the job.

Pretty funny reading your racist ignorant stuff red then having you whine about me comparing apples and oranges

MOTR wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 9:02pm:

There is a lot of respect for police. It's the few that bring disrespect upon themselves. Just like your slur on all Aboriginal people doesn't bring much credit to yourself.

We should not let the good cops get off.
They are responsible for making sure their colleagues are acting legally.
That is their job apparently.
By letting the pigs get away with commiting offences and abusing their power they to are commiting a crime, so are good cops even good?

How did I know you would come back with that one Puppet?

It was not a racist comment. It was a comment based on the actions of the Aboriginal Activists group who purport to represent the mainstream of Aborigines in this Country.

They do not. They are a radical element who answer only to themselves.

You only have to look at the murky hands in housing development in Redfern and how many aboriginal families are being forced out, so that a handful of so called council members, can line their pockets with gold at the expense of the greater community.

Before aiming your gun and pulling the trigger P.Puppet I strongly suggest you have a very close look at the Aboriginal situation.

For a start there is a hugely disproportionate representation of Aboriginals involved in crime. To a great extent, their elders must take a great deal of responsibility for this. There are high figures in Aboriginals involved in heavy duty crime. It is not uncommon to see young Aboriginal kids out and about in Redfern, the Cross, Surry Hills at all hours. Where are their parents? What the hell are 8...9..10 year olds doing on the streets at that time and in that area?

This is an enormous problem and I don't know how it is going to be solved.

Clearly the parents of these children don't care what they get up to.

I know this much, if Police have to go into Redfern at night, usually they have to send two vehicles. One for the complaint and the other to protect vehicle No2, so it doesn't get torched whilst the 1st crew check the incident.

Redfern and surrounding  areas are out of control because of Aboriginal crime. Aren't you lucky you don't live there.

Incidentally, if it had been your mother who was run  over by those crims at the Cross, would you feel so caring and softy touchy feely,towards the crims when the Cops got them out of the car?

I remember once when I was involved in a stolen car chase at 35 Division, in Glenfield. Several Police cars were involved in the chase but we were the ones to pull the vehicle over. I got out of the passenger side of the Police vehicle and was about to walk towards the suspect's car.

Suddenly he reversed down the side of the Police vehicle, my side, and I had l leap for my life to avoid being crushed.

When I got that dude out of the car, needless to say, I wasn't to happy with him. Draw your own conclusions...when you're out there doing it, sometimes your own life can be a split second from termination, as was mine that particular night. And I was injured getting out of the way as his car scraped down the side of our vehicle.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 9:57am:

MOTR wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 9:02pm: There is a lot of respect for police. It's the few that bring disrespect upon themselves. Just like your slur on all Aboriginal people doesn't bring much credit to yourself. We should not let the good cops get off. They are responsible for making sure their colleagues are acting legally. That is their job apparently. By letting the pigs get away with commiting offences and abusing their power they to are commiting a crime, so are good cops even good?

We should not hang every cop that shows human emotion and does what a million others would do in the same position ... don't like it don't break the law

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 10:48am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 9:57am: MOTR wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 9:02pm: There is a lot of respect for police. It's the few that bring disrespect upon themselves. Just like your slur on all Aboriginal people doesn't bring much credit to yourself. We should not let the good cops get off. They are responsible for making sure their colleagues are acting legally. That is their job apparently. By letting the pigs get away with commiting offences and abusing their power they to are commiting a crime, so are good cops even good? We should not hang every cop that shows human emotion and does what a million others would do in the same position ... don't like it don't break the law

The cops are breaking the law as well..

That fella on the foot-path didn’t struggle too much when the hand-cuffs went on, hey?

Here’s an idea.

Perhaps all the ingrates can wear “I hate coppers” badges, so when they need assistance the police can by-pass them and let them fend for them-selves.

Great news they are cracking down further on criminal biker gangs as well.

All good  :)

FriYAY wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 12:15pm:

That fella on the foot-path didn’t struggle too much when the hand-cuffs went on, hey? Here’s an idea. Perhaps all the ingrates can wear “I hate coppers” badges, so when they need assistance the police can by-pass them and let them fend for them-selves. Great news they are cracking down further on criminal biker gangs as well. All good  :)

The guy had been shot you idiot of course he is struggling.
But he had two guys twice his size holding him down.
It was clear he was no longer a danger, meaning that officer broke the law by assualting him.

I thought police were meant to treat people equally?
How about all plainclothed police have to wear a badge so people can let them die if they need help or medical assitance etc..

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 12:20pm:

FriYAY wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 12:15pm: That fella on the foot-path didn’t struggle too much when the hand-cuffs went on, hey? Here’s an idea. Perhaps all the ingrates can wear “I hate coppers” badges, so when they need assistance the police can by-pass them and let them fend for them-selves. Great news they are cracking down further on criminal biker gangs as well. All good  :) The guy had been shot you idiot of course he is struggling. But he had two guys twice his size holding him down. It was clear he was no longer a danger, meaning that officer broke the law by assualting him. I thought police were meant to treat people equally? How about all plainclothed police have to wear a badge so people can let them die if they need help or medical assitance etc..

Pity they all didn’t receive fatal gunshots wounds.

2 big coppers, cool.

Boohoo.

Treat who equally? Criminals? They all looked to be treated equally as the scum they are, all good.

Nasty ingrates would suggest this, you are nothing if not predictable.

FriYAY wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 12:28pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 12:20pm: FriYAY wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 12:15pm: That fella on the foot-path didn’t struggle too much when the hand-cuffs went on, hey? Here’s an idea. Perhaps all the ingrates can wear “I hate coppers” badges, so when they need assistance the police can by-pass them and let them fend for them-selves. Great news they are cracking down further on criminal biker gangs as well. All good  :) The guy had been shot you idiot of course he is struggling. But he had two guys twice his size holding him down. It was clear he was no longer a danger, meaning that officer broke the law by assualting him. I thought police were meant to treat people equally? How about all plainclothed police have to wear a badge so people can let them die if they need help or medical assitance etc.. Pity they all didn’t receive fatal gunshots wounds. 2 big coppers, cool. Boohoo. Treat who equally? Criminals? They all looked to be treated equally as the scum they are, all good. Nasty ingrates would suggest this, you are nothing if not predictable.

Seems you do not even understand the system you support

This great nation was built on chains and flogging with 50 lashes. A proud people deserve proper torture rooms for developing character in crims and giving satisfaction to the oye oye oye.

How predictable that the scumbags families (and the leftwad brigade) blame the police for this - not a word of condemnation for the drunken assholes who decided mowing down pedestrians was their god-given right.

Perhaps if you (ie the scumbags parents) had have spent a bit more time setting boundaries, instead of teaching them to hate/blame whitey for everything, your kids might have a hope in life.

No one has said the kids are innocent, not even the families. That's not what it's about wesley.

The cop beat up on a person that was no threat to anyone. He was bleeding profusely from a gunshot wound, he was going nowhere, so why the punches to the head?

Unnecessary and unlawful.

Why would you start a police chase in a highly built-up pedestrian precinct? There was no need for it. Once again all for a stolen car.

Why have stolen cars become so important that human life is put at risk to recover them? Anyone would think the cops have some sort of deal with the insurance companies.

At least these guys committed a crime, not like being tasered to death for no reason.

Socialist Alliance, would you say that driving down the footpath mowing over pedestrians constitute probable  cause for doing something to stop the pack of criminals?

They were and are not 'kids', they have most probably been on the streets dragging themselves up since they could walk. Beware the 14 year old who you might run into on the streets at night. He will have a knife and rip your lungs out with it Jim and all for your mobile or your wallet.

Think of it in a lateral kind of way.

Let's just say that 6 people that would go out do and harm to their fellow citizens have now been removed from Sydney streets.

The life the Cops saved might just have been your own, the next time, these criminals decided to have a night out on booze and drugs, then get in as car and go out and endanger the lives of decent people.

GREAT WORK POLICE -If I could, I would pin a medal on each and every one of you.

Protecting the lives of DECENT PEOPLE - That's what it's all about. If there is some collateral damage to the bottom feeders in this society - so be it.

So much misplaced sympathy and rage.

We should be grateful, first and foremost, that these brave police officers made it home safely.

Criminals get what’s coming, if no crime was committed this would not have happened. My heart bleeds pure buckets of piss.

Oh and here’s a spare bucket full for Carl Williams.

I'd propose that if the cops are going to be drawn over hot coals for anything and everything, best they just turn their backs in future and let mob justice take it's course.  I wouldn't expect those who were almost run down to be as forgiving as these cops were.

Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car. The driver decides to attempt a getaway via the footpath.

The police should be aware of their actions and the consequences that may ensue.

I will never promote police brutality under any circumstances, it's an ugly road we are going down.

I'm not even getting involved in the criminal aspects of this scenario, we all know the law was being broken, it's the police brutality that worries me.

I know if you had the chance you would have everyone armed and ready to defend themselves from the criminal hoards, but I prefer an ordered and civilized society, where criminals are apprehended lawfully and dealt with via the court system.

We really can't go around shooting all suspects or offenders, as much as it would free up the prison system, it's just not right.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 3:18pm:

Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car. The driver decides to attempt a getaway via the footpath. The police should be aware of their actions and the consequences that may ensue. I will never promote police brutality under any circumstances, it's an ugly road we are going down. I'm not even getting involved in the criminal aspects of this scenario, we all know the law was being broken, it's the police brutality that worries me. I know if you had the chance you would have everyone armed and ready to defend themselves from the criminal hoards, but I prefer an ordered and civilized society, where criminals are apprehended lawfully and dealt with via the court system. We really can't go around shooting all suspects or offenders, as much as it would free up the prison system, it's just not right.

Do you have any sympathy at all for those who were hit by the car and the owner of the car that was stolen?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 3:21pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:18pm: Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car. The driver decides to attempt a getaway via the footpath. The police should be aware of their actions and the consequences that may ensue. I will never promote police brutality under any circumstances, it's an ugly road we are going down. I'm not even getting involved in the criminal aspects of this scenario, we all know the law was being broken, it's the police brutality that worries me. I know if you had the chance you would have everyone armed and ready to defend themselves from the criminal hoards, but I prefer an ordered and civilized society, where criminals are apprehended lawfully and dealt with via the court system. We really can't go around shooting all suspects or offenders, as much as it would free up the prison system, it's just not right. Do you have any sympathy at all for those who were hit by the car and the owner of the car that was stolen?

Yes I do. I would hate to get hit by a car or to have my car stolen, it's very inconvenient and a bloody nuisance.

If I was the person hit by that car at the Cross, I would be p1ssed at the cops for giving chase in a built-up pedestrian area....idiots. The lady would not have been hit if there was no chase. The person may or may not have got their car back, but would have got the insurance for it.

I've seen cases where the cops call off a chase for a stolen car because it was too dangerous, and blow me down with a straw, the car was recovered and no one was injured.

Too much testosterone and not enough brains in the case of the Kings Cross saga.

They just killed two innocent people last week by giving chase to a stolen car. Do they ever learn?

Quote:

If I was the person hit by that car at the Cross, I would be p1ssed at the cops for giving chase in a built-up pedestrian area....idiots. The lady would not have been hit if there was no chase. The person may or may not have got their car back, but would have got the insurance for it.

So you wouldn't be pissed at the person who actually hit you?  I smell lies...


Quote:

I've seen cases where the cops call off a chase for a stolen car because it was too dangerous, and blow me down with a straw, the car was recovered and no one was injured.

The smell of lies is getting stronger.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 3:18pm:

Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car.

LOL, how desperate can you get?

How about we start at the beginning, hey?

Criminals steal a car…..

;)

FriYAY wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 3:40pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:18pm: Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car. LOL, how desperate can you get? How about we start at the beginning, hey? Criminals steal a car….. ;)

No one is denying criminals steal car.......

it's what happened after that, cops chase car in a busy street. You don't have to be Nostradamus to work out that would end badly.
Criminals steal a car and no one got hurt until the police came on the scene.

There are thousands of cars stolen each year in Australia. Some countries have banned police chases for stolen cars, good call!

A car is a piece of metal. A car is a piece of metal.

Police are good at sitting out a hostage situation, but as soon as a car becomes the hostage they get all vamped up for some reason.

... wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Quote: If I was the person hit by that car at the Cross, I would be p1ssed at the cops for giving chase in a built-up pedestrian area....idiots. The lady would not have been hit if there was no chase. The person may or may not have got their car back, but would have got the insurance for it. So you wouldn't be pissed at the person who actually hit you?  I smell lies... [quote] I've seen cases where the cops call off a chase for a stolen car because it was too dangerous, and blow me down with a straw, the car was recovered and no one was injured.

The smell of lies is getting stronger.[/quote]

Are you saying cops never call off a chase because it's too dangerous?

Are you actually saying that no stolen car has ever been recovered?

End of conversation in case your insanity catches. Some people are not worth the energy.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 4:04pm:

FriYAY wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:40pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:18pm: Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car. LOL, how desperate can you get? How about we start at the beginning, hey? Criminals steal a car….. ;) No one is denying criminals steal car....... it's what happened after that, cops chase car in a busy street. You don't have to be Nostradamus to work out that would end badly. Criminals steal a car and no one got hurt until the police came on the scene. There are thousands of cars stolen each year in Australia. Some countries have banned police chases for stolen cars, good call! A car is a piece of metal. A car is a piece of metal. Police are good at sitting out a hostage situation, but as soon as a car becomes the hostage they get all vamped up for some reason.

Would you be posting this crap if it was your daughter run down?
It's not just a stolen car, its a car that refused to stop & ran down innocent pedestrians.

Pity the cops missed with a few shots.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 4:04pm:

FriYAY wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:40pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:18pm: Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car. LOL, how desperate can you get? How about we start at the beginning, hey? Criminals steal a car….. ;) No one is denying criminals steal car....... it's what happened after that, cops chase car in a busy street. You don't have to be Nostradamus to work out that would end badly. Criminals steal a car and no one got hurt until the police came on the scene. There are thousands of cars stolen each year in Australia. Some countries have banned police chases for stolen cars, good call! A car is a piece of metal. A car is a piece of metal. Police are good at sitting out a hostage situation, but as soon as a car becomes the hostage they get all vamped up for some reason.

You started the action reaction bull crap.

The 1st action was the theft of the car.

You’re denying the entire premise of your desperate post if you deny the 1st action was that of the criminal breaking the law.

That’s were it starts, that’s the root cause.

No theft – no story, period.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 3:29pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:21pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:18pm: Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car. The driver decides to attempt a getaway via the footpath. The police should be aware of their actions and the consequences that may ensue. I will never promote police brutality under any circumstances, it's an ugly road we are going down. I'm not even getting involved in the criminal aspects of this scenario, we all know the law was being broken, it's the police brutality that worries me. I know if you had the chance you would have everyone armed and ready to defend themselves from the criminal hoards, but I prefer an ordered and civilized society, where criminals are apprehended lawfully and dealt with via the court system. We really can't go around shooting all suspects or offenders, as much as it would free up the prison system, it's just not right. Do you have any sympathy at all for those who were hit by the car and the owner of the car that was stolen? Yes I do. I would hate to get hit by a car or to have my car stolen, it's very inconvenient and a bloody nuisance. If I was the person hit by that car at the Cross, I would be p1ssed at the cops for giving chase in a built-up pedestrian area....idiots. The lady would not have been hit if there was no chase. The person may or may not have got their car back, but would have got the insurance for it. I've seen cases where the cops call off a chase for a stolen car because it was too dangerous, and blow me down with a straw, the car was recovered and no one was injured. Too much testosterone and not enough brains in the case of the Kings Cross saga. They just killed two innocent people last week by giving chase to a stolen car. Do they ever learn?

It's strange that you're only willing to use cause and effect up to a certain point in this incident.

Why halt it at the point of the chase and not the stealing of the car?

Socialist Alliance...Get the story correct. It wasn't just a simple case of stealing a car. Before they stole the car in their own admissions, they stated that they had consumed about 20 alcoholic drinks with drugs as chasers.

Now....would you agree that a car is a weapon on wheels? If not then..would you agree that a car driven with 20 alcoholic drinks and drugs as a chaser, would pose a huge risk to every other road user including pedestrians?

I was in Police Traffic for 7 years in my career. The thing that astounds me, is that they made it as far as the Cross without killing anyone, including themselves on the way.
Now I won't hear anymore of your excuses for these CRIMINALS with a Capital C, because that's exactly what they are...all of them.

You think that the 14 year olds won't still be in prison when they're in their late 30's if they live that long?

Their life has already been decided and it started when their parents abandoned their duty of care when they were and in some of their cases still are kids...in an age context.

P.S. If it was a member of your own family that they had mowed down, I think you would be humming a different tune.

You make it sound like it was the woman's fault, for being there when they drove onto the footpath.

I understandy. They are criminals with a capital C.

I have never once stated anything different to that fact. The fact is they are criminals.

I'm not even saying the shooting was wrong.

The chase in a built up area is wrong.

Essentially what the cops have done is go to a gas leak with a lighted match.

At the end of the day, it is us that pay. The family of the mother and daughter that were killed in WA will get a lot of compensation.

The cops job is to stop crime, not create it. They are police, they seem to think it's a war and they're the military.

There are a lot of grey areas and we have to look at all the bits of any scenario.

Should the cops give chase in high density traffic and pedestrian areas?

I say NO, it is far too risky for all concerned.
Cops are there to arrest criminals AND to protect citizens. They failed.


If you think they should give chase under any circumstances, then I beg to differ and leave it that.

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they stated that they had consumed about 20 alcoholic drinks with drugs as chasers.

Rank amateurs.
I've always had my drugs first and then the 20 alcoholic drinks as chasers.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 4:15pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:29pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:21pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:18pm: Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car. The driver decides to attempt a getaway via the footpath. The police should be aware of their actions and the consequences that may ensue. I will never promote police brutality under any circumstances, it's an ugly road we are going down. I'm not even getting involved in the criminal aspects of this scenario, we all know the law was being broken, it's the police brutality that worries me. I know if you had the chance you would have everyone armed and ready to defend themselves from the criminal hoards, but I prefer an ordered and civilized society, where criminals are apprehended lawfully and dealt with via the court system. We really can't go around shooting all suspects or offenders, as much as it would free up the prison system, it's just not right. Do you have any sympathy at all for those who were hit by the car and the owner of the car that was stolen? Yes I do. I would hate to get hit by a car or to have my car stolen, it's very inconvenient and a bloody nuisance. If I was the person hit by that car at the Cross, I would be p1ssed at the cops for giving chase in a built-up pedestrian area....idiots. The lady would not have been hit if there was no chase. The person may or may not have got their car back, but would have got the insurance for it. I've seen cases where the cops call off a chase for a stolen car because it was too dangerous, and blow me down with a straw, the car was recovered and no one was injured. Too much testosterone and not enough brains in the case of the Kings Cross saga. They just killed two innocent people last week by giving chase to a stolen car. Do they ever learn? It's strange that you're only willing to use cause and effect up to a certain point in this incident. Why halt it at the point of the chase and not the stealing of the car?

The stealing of the car hurt no one. No one was hurt until the police got involved.

If someone stole a loaf of bread and took off in a non stolen car, should the police give chase? They are things, just replaceable things.

You'd think the smart thing to do when being chased in a stolen car in a nightclub precinct would be to abandon vehicle and belnd into the sea of people.
But I guess that's why I'm a free man and they're getting shot and locked up.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 5:15pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:15pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:29pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:21pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:18pm: Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car. The driver decides to attempt a getaway via the footpath. The police should be aware of their actions and the consequences that may ensue. I will never promote police brutality under any circumstances, it's an ugly road we are going down. I'm not even getting involved in the criminal aspects of this scenario, we all know the law was being broken, it's the police brutality that worries me. I know if you had the chance you would have everyone armed and ready to defend themselves from the criminal hoards, but I prefer an ordered and civilized society, where criminals are apprehended lawfully and dealt with via the court system. We really can't go around shooting all suspects or offenders, as much as it would free up the prison system, it's just not right. Do you have any sympathy at all for those who were hit by the car and the owner of the car that was stolen? Yes I do. I would hate to get hit by a car or to have my car stolen, it's very inconvenient and a bloody nuisance. If I was the person hit by that car at the Cross, I would be p1ssed at the cops for giving chase in a built-up pedestrian area....idiots. The lady would not have been hit if there was no chase. The person may or may not have got their car back, but would have got the insurance for it. I've seen cases where the cops call off a chase for a stolen car because it was too dangerous, and blow me down with a straw, the car was recovered and no one was injured. Too much testosterone and not enough brains in the case of the Kings Cross saga. They just killed two innocent people last week by giving chase to a stolen car. Do they ever learn? It's strange that you're only willing to use cause and effect up to a certain point in this incident. Why halt it at the point of the chase and not the stealing of the car? The stealing of the car hurt no one. No one was hurt until the police got involved. If someone stole a loaf of bread and took off in a non stolen car, should the police give chase? They are things, just replaceable things.

LOL, can you really be this dim?

If the car was not stolen the rest fails to eventuate. Your cause and effect, starts with the stolen car.

STEP 1 = Steal car

Precursor to car chase = steal car

So simple.

No stolen car = no chase.

You can't ingonre this bacis step of your action/reaction balony. It IS the FIRST action.

Sheesh.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 5:11pm:

I understandy. They are criminals with a capital C. I have never once stated anything different to that fact. The fact is they are criminals. I'm not even saying the shooting was wrong. The chase in a built up area is wrong. Essentially what the cops have done is go to a gas leak with a lighted match. At the end of the day, it is us that pay. The family of the mother and daughter that were killed in WA will get a lot of compensation. The cops job is to stop crime, not create it. They are police, they seem to think it's a war and they're the military. There are a lot of grey areas and we have to look at all the bits of any scenario. Should the cops give chase in high density traffic and pedestrian areas? I say NO, it is far too risky for all concerned. Cops are there to arrest criminals AND to protect citizens. They failed. If you think they should give chase under any circumstances, then I beg to differ and leave it that.

Are you suggestion we open a drive through police station, where the crims come to you? The cops job is to catch the bad guy .. the day they stop chasing, we loose. All a crook has to do to avoid going to jail is run ...

That cop deserves a medal

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 5:15pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:15pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:29pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:21pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:18pm: Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car. The driver decides to attempt a getaway via the footpath. The police should be aware of their actions and the consequences that may ensue. I will never promote police brutality under any circumstances, it's an ugly road we are going down. I'm not even getting involved in the criminal aspects of this scenario, we all know the law was being broken, it's the police brutality that worries me. I know if you had the chance you would have everyone armed and ready to defend themselves from the criminal hoards, but I prefer an ordered and civilized society, where criminals are apprehended lawfully and dealt with via the court system. We really can't go around shooting all suspects or offenders, as much as it would free up the prison system, it's just not right. Do you have any sympathy at all for those who were hit by the car and the owner of the car that was stolen? Yes I do. I would hate to get hit by a car or to have my car stolen, it's very inconvenient and a bloody nuisance. If I was the person hit by that car at the Cross, I would be p1ssed at the cops for giving chase in a built-up pedestrian area....idiots. The lady would not have been hit if there was no chase. The person may or may not have got their car back, but would have got the insurance for it. I've seen cases where the cops call off a chase for a stolen car because it was too dangerous, and blow me down with a straw, the car was recovered and no one was injured. Too much testosterone and not enough brains in the case of the Kings Cross saga. They just killed two innocent people last week by giving chase to a stolen car. Do they ever learn? It's strange that you're only willing to use cause and effect up to a certain point in this incident. Why halt it at the point of the chase and not the stealing of the car? The stealing of the car hurt no one. No one was hurt until the police got involved. If someone stole a loaf of bread and took off in a non stolen car, should the police give chase? They are things, just replaceable things.

tell that to the owner of the car

Bottom line....They drank...they knocked down the party drugs

The drove...

They got busted

They got shot and one also got a hiding

End of sad saga for the Born Losers

red baron wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 7:10pm:

Bottom line....They drank...they knocked down the party drugs The drove... They got busted They got shot and one also got a hiding End of sad saga for the Born Losers

and if more of them copped a hiding when they were teenagers, the jails wouldn't be so full ....

<<STEP 1 = Steal car

Precursor to car chase = steal car>>
........................................................

So now we're relying on the crims to do the right thing. Good luck with that. I just don't think they're responsible enough.

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 7:13pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:10pm: Bottom line....They drank...they knocked down the party drugs The drove... They got busted They got shot and one also got a hiding End of sad saga for the Born Losers and if more of them copped a hiding when they were teenagers, the jails wouldn't be so full ....

Did you watch the docudrama Samson and Delilah?

Maybe it's the endless hidings that lead to the trouble. Just a thought.

I know some people who didn't get their teenage hiding, they turned out pretty good.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 7:32pm:

<<STEP 1 = Steal car Precursor to car chase = steal car>> ........................................................ So now we're relying on the crims to do the right thing. Good luck with that. I just don't think they're responsible enough.

LOL, the most pathetic deflection in forum history.

Your whimpering white flag aint worth having.

....we need a puke icon....

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 7:35pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:13pm: red baron wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:10pm: Bottom line....They drank...they knocked down the party drugs The drove... They got busted They got shot and one also got a hiding End of sad saga for the Born Losers and if more of them copped a hiding when they were teenagers, the jails wouldn't be so full .... Did you watch the docudrama Samson and Delilah? Maybe it's the endless hidings that lead to the trouble. Just a thought. I know some people who didn't get their teenage hiding, they turned out pretty good.

there is no rule that will work for everyone ... you need to look after the majority .. i know kids that copped a hiding and turned out pretty good (wait, thats me ) .

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 5:15pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:15pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:29pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:21pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:18pm: Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car. The driver decides to attempt a getaway via the footpath. The police should be aware of their actions and the consequences that may ensue. I will never promote police brutality under any circumstances, it's an ugly road we are going down. I'm not even getting involved in the criminal aspects of this scenario, we all know the law was being broken, it's the police brutality that worries me. I know if you had the chance you would have everyone armed and ready to defend themselves from the criminal hoards, but I prefer an ordered and civilized society, where criminals are apprehended lawfully and dealt with via the court system. We really can't go around shooting all suspects or offenders, as much as it would free up the prison system, it's just not right. Do you have any sympathy at all for those who were hit by the car and the owner of the car that was stolen? Yes I do. I would hate to get hit by a car or to have my car stolen, it's very inconvenient and a bloody nuisance. If I was the person hit by that car at the Cross, I would be p1ssed at the cops for giving chase in a built-up pedestrian area....idiots. The lady would not have been hit if there was no chase. The person may or may not have got their car back, but would have got the insurance for it. I've seen cases where the cops call off a chase for a stolen car because it was too dangerous, and blow me down with a straw, the car was recovered and no one was injured. Too much testosterone and not enough brains in the case of the Kings Cross saga. They just killed two innocent people last week by giving chase to a stolen car. Do they ever learn? It's strange that you're only willing to use cause and effect up to a certain point in this incident. Why halt it at the point of the chase and not the stealing of the car? The stealing of the car hurt no one. No one was hurt until the police got involved. If someone stole a loaf of bread and took off in a non stolen car, should the police give chase? They are things, just replaceable things.

So stealing is okay now.
The car was someone's property therefore the cops have every right to try and retrieve it.

Anyway, I know you're not going to come to reason; your bleeding heart and irrational hatred of authority blocks any chance you will examine this event rationally, so this is our last exchange on this topic.

Goodbye.

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... you don't go to a gang of bikies with your law degree and ask them to hand themselves in because they've committed an offense ... its a good way to get your skull cracked ...  Most of the ones I know will laugh at you if you even try, and then shove that badge where the sun doesn't shine ....

April 27, 2012, 8:30 am
Police are raiding 18 Sydney properties believed to have links to bikie gangs the Hells Angels and the Nomads.

The raids began early on Friday morning and are ongoing, a State Crime Command spokeswoman told AAP.

State Crime Command has joined forces with local police and officers of Strike Force Kinnarra, formed in April to investigate shootings believed to be linked to outlaw motorcycle gang conflict.

The spokeswoman said it was too early to say if any arrests had been made.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 2:34pm:

Why would you start a police chase in a highly built-up pedestrian precinct? There was no need for it. Once again all for a stolen car. Why have stolen cars become so important that human life is put at risk to recover them? Anyone would think the cops have some sort of deal with the insurance companies. At least these guys committed a crime, not like being tasered to death for no reason.

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Police pursued that vehicle along the footpath on foot. They attempted to stop the vehicle; at a point about 50 or so metres north of Bayswater Road that vehicle struck a female pedestrian. That female pedestrian was pushed under the front of the vehicle. At that point police, in an attempt to protect that person, discharged a number of shots into the vehicle. The driver of the car was hit twice; the front seat passenger hit once. Four other people in the rear of the car were subsequently removed. The police commenced to chase the vehicle on foot because it drove up onto the footpath.

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2012/s3482600.htm

Would following them at a brisk walking pace be acceptable to the haters?

Pansi...have you been reading the posts on this site with your head inside a cardboard box? Wake up sleepy...the arguments have already been aired. Time to go home now and get much needed  REM sleep in.

Kat wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 2:13pm:

skippy. wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:57pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:14pm: This is about the time we start standing up for our rights... NSW bikies face tattoo parlour bans http://video.news.com.au/2225030221/NSW-bikies-face-tattoo-parlour-bans Quote: Bikie gangs will be banned from owning tattoo parlours and wearing their colours, in a bid to stop violence. If they can do it to one group in society, they can do it to any. In politics bad things always get seen in a good light, do not light the police state trick you into giving up your freedom and rights for 'safety' which they cannot provide and in many cases do a lot to jeopardize themselves, directly and indirectly. Yep, I agree, O Farrell is going to find his ass kicked all the way to the high court over this, and he'll lose. This is discrimination, no matter what you think of bikies. That's it. In a nut-shell. And that's all that SHOULD need to be said. If YOU don't stand up for THEIR rights now, who will stand up for YOURS when (not if) it's YOUR turn?

LOL. Yes where will it end? They will be trying to dismantle other organized crime groups next. The mafia, the triads, terrorist cells.

Sorry but I fail to see where the "rights" of organized criminal groups are aligned with my own.

As for BS legislation to stop them wearing colours or owning tattoo palors I don't see the point or advantage. Let them keep their colours. It makes them identifiable. Let them keep the tattoo palors, who cares.

I got no problem with stopping them from owning chop shops, car yards, pawn brokers, money lending, security firms, locksmiths, tow truck companies. Anything that gives them the avenues to distribute and launder goods and money from their illegal activities.

I care as much for the "rights" of 1%er bikie gangs as they care for mine. Zip!

As for the idea that these groups might function as noble militia groups defending the citizenry against rogue governments well that just brings tears to my eyes from laughing so hard. Mad Max was closer to reality than that piece of fantasy.

The Bikie gangs use the Tattoo shops as their outlets to peddle hard core drugs.

The bikie gangs consider themselves the 1% er's, the ones outside the law and not subject to it.

They are now getting a long needed wake up call.

They are just crap on two wheels and that's all they are, preying on the youth of this Country with their lousy drugs.

Hammer the bastards into oblivion!

They don't peddle the drugs out of the tattoo shop. How obvious would that be. The drugs are sold elsewhere.

The tattoo shop is the avenue they use to launder the drug money.

Just another wasted shot fired in the stupid, pointless and already-lost 'War on Drugs'.

Decriminalise the drugs, and most of them would be out of business virtually overnight.

The govt (and previous govts) really have no-one to blame but themselves.

They CREATED the 'problem', then they create Draconian 'laws' to control a 'problem'
that THEY are responsible for.

Almost ALL so-called 'drug crime' can be traced DIRECTLY back to the fact that they
are illegal.

I do not blame the police, they can only work with what they have. And what they have
is a bunch of VERY bad 'laws' that should NEVER have been passed in the first place.

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Would following them at a brisk walking pace be acceptable to the haters?

The speed limit on a footpath is 5kmh and less at traffic lights. Chasing the car at high foot-speed or recklesss running will cause accidents even on a 2 way footpath.

RED ALERT! RED ALERT! Chemar has joined the discussion. All women and children please proceed to the safety shelters immediately! Chmiera has declared the footpaths a no go zone for pedestrians!

Kat wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 10:23am:

I do not blame the police, they can only work with what they have. And what they have is a bunch of VERY bad 'laws' that should NEVER have been passed in the first place.

Totally agree, i have been banging on this line for a while. Police culture is also an issue but a separate one.  I grew up in QLD in the Joh days when the QLD cops had a fierce reputation. "don't walk the street at knight on your own the cops will bash you" and "if they decide your it you will be verballed into it". I moved to NSW when i was old enough to escape only to find the cops were really bent, if you needed drugs - see the cops, if you were in trouble - don't bother, if you lived in a rough area of town - you were the target. They made QLD seem mild. Culture is everything, it is a crap job and i feel for them but they are failed at every turn, by the laws, by the system and by their own culture.

"QLD cops had a fierce reputation. "don't walk the street at knight on your own the cops will bash you"
Sir Joh always respected knights. And brown paper bags in his office which bulged.

chimera wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 4:58pm:

"QLD cops had a fierce reputation. "don't walk the street at knight on your own the cops will bash you" Sir Joh always respected knights. And brown paper bags in his office which bulged.

We joke about brown paper bags, but they were literally brown paper bags, supposedly sandwiches for his lunch lol

Good old Joh (now don't you worry about that). He of the vast knowledge of separation of powers. (Never forgot that doozy).

Then there was Russell Heinze who had a public funded drive made to his residence.

Oh those good old days of rock n' roll in Qld, beautiful one day corrupt the next!

See his daughter Kirsty lost none of his touch, married a billionaire in his 60's - Way to go Kirsty!

Separation of powers? He separated the Commie /Labor opposition from the parliament library. "They will only use it to attack the Government". And the Press: "I feed them a bit, like chooks".

http://www.infowars.com/lawrence-kansas-now-fighting-to-end-water-fluoridation/

Lawrence, Kansas, now fighting to end water fluoridation

Jonathan Benson
Infowars.com
May 18, 2012
A health freedom advocate in Lawrence, Kansas, the sixth largest city in the state, is pushing to have artificial fluoride chemicals removed from his city’s municipal water supply. Lawrence-area resident Richard Simms recently created a petition at Change.org that he hopes will garner enough signatures to convince city officials to follow the lead of hundreds of other towns and cities across North America that have nixed the poison from their water supplies in recent months.
You can view and sign Simms’ petition here:
http://www.change.org
Concerned about the extreme toxicity of fluoride when the chemical is ingested, Simms wants to raise awareness about the issue in order to convince the local water treatment division to stop forcibly medicating his entire community with fluoride chemicals. Unlike the naturally-occurring element fluorine, sodium fluoride, a highly-toxic byproduct of industrial manufacturing that is commonly added to water supplies, is known to cause considerable health damage, including tooth decay.
“Sodium fluoride comes from the aluminum industry, it’s a byproduct of where aluminum is created. And it’s unfortunately a very expensive toxin to be able to dispose of, and they even told them it was too dangerous to pour into the ocean for disposal,” said Simms to 6 News Lawrence during a recent interview. “So, it would seem that they decided to dilute it down and just start putting it into drinking water. If it’s listed as a poison, it does not need to be in drinking water.”
Simms refers, of course, to sodium fluoride’s Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) listing, which clearly indicates that sodium fluoride may be fatal if inhaled, swallowed, or absorbed through the skin (http://www.sciencestuff.com/msds/C2579.html). Lawrence’s roughly 90,000 area residents, in other words, are exposed to toxic sodium fluoride in each one of these ways every time they wash their hands, take a shower, or drink a glass of tap water that has not been filtered through a reverse osmosis system.
In a sorry attempt to counter Simms’ efforts, Dan Partridge, Director of the Lawrence Health Department, told 6 News Lawrence that fluoride is naturally-occurring, and that it “would occur in the public water supply whether we add it or not.” Not only is this statement patently false, as artificial fluoride chemicals are far different from naturally-occurring fluorine, but it also supports the idea of not adding fluoride chemicals to water if they already occur naturally.
The pseudo-science backing water fluoridation is quickly crumbling

Try as they might to maintain the illusion that fluoride chemicals are safe and effective at preventing tooth decay, pro-fluoride apologists simply do not have sound science on their side. Dozens of studies, many published just within the past year, have proven unquestioningly that ingestion of fluoride chemicals is dangerous, and provides no legitimate health benefits (http://www.naturalnews.com/fluoride.html).
This is why city after city, and town after town, continue to end their water fluoridation programs. Not only will the cut save these communities thousands of dollars a year in needless expenses, but it will also save local residents from developing dental fluorosis, thyroid problems, cancer, bone disorders, and the many other conditions caused by fluoride ingestion (http://www.fluoridealert.org/fluoride-dangers/health/index.aspx).
This article first appeared on Natural News.
Sources for this article include:
http://www.6newslawrence.com

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 1:14pm:

This is about the time we start standing up for our rights... NSW bikies face tattoo parlour bans http://video.news.com.au/2225030221/NSW-bikies-face-tattoo-parlour-bans Quote: Bikie gangs will be banned from owning tattoo parlours and wearing their colours, in a bid to stop violence. If they can do it to one group in society, they can do it to any. In politics bad things always get seen in a good light, do not light the police state trick you into giving up your freedom and rights for 'safety' which they cannot provide and in many cases do a lot to jeopardize themselves, directly and indirectly.

This is an outrage, I hope it is openly defied by the Bikies on the principle of it.

Dealing with Bikies is a bit like having funnel web spiders in the garden, they take care of the insects just don't step on one! 8-)

red baron wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:

Dealing with Bikies is a bit like having funnel web spiders in the garden, they take care of the insects just don't step on one! 8-)

You never replied to the thread about the new TV show:
( which you started )

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1337070656

Gee this is interesting and what timing too.

Driving through Canberra to visit my brother and I pass some ridiculus Police Cars.
I mean - they looked like checkered flags at the Formula One and a purple Cadbury's Chocolate bar wrapper.
:o ::) :-?
I yelled out seperately to tow different cops (there was about 10 of em at some truck thing with witches hats and about 3 police cars.

I yelled out sarcastically with much politeness "NICE POLICE CARS" I got both a defensive and embarressed response.

What gets me is that I believe and its just my opinion, that Police Cars ...ALL Police Cars should be in proper uniform for Public Identity.
They are not friggin Artists! ::) So they should just bite the bullet an be the less arty of the Aust population. Visually boring if you like?

I gave a cop a bit of cheek when he pulled me over for speeding. Well, I gave him a lot of cheek but in regards to this Topic. I said: "You're lucky I pulled over - that doesn't look like a Police Car to me!"
He snapped back in frustration "Its an Un-Marked Police Car!"
I responded "Oh, so now you gotta get your revenue by deception/deciet?!" :P

I got fined, but I bet he wished he hadn't stopped me of all people. ;)

All Police Cars should be 'properly' marked.
Or are they 'Fashion Police' now?  ::)