The reward of the pious monotheists, by the grace of God Almighty, is to enter Paradise in the Afterlife, and be spared from the fires of Hell.

If a person departs this world having won the pleasure of God, then he will have the glad tidings of all that is good after that. When he enters Paradise he will have delights and pleasures such as no eye has seen, no ear has heard and it has not entered the mind of any man. He will have all that he wishes for in the best ways. Everything that he asks for will be granted, and everything that he longs for he will get. He will never find anything to upset or disturb him, because he is in the care of God, the Most Merciful, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Therein you shall have (all) that your inner‑selves desire, and therein you shall have (all) for which you ask. An entertainment from (God), the Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”
[The Quran, Fussilat v. 31-32]


And their recompense shall be Paradise, and silken garments, because they were patient. Reclining therein on raised thrones, they will see there neither the excessive heat of the sun, nor the excessive bitter cold, and the shade thereof is close upon them, and the bunches of fruit thereof will hang low within their reach. And amongst them will be passed round vessels of silver and cups of crystal, crystal-clear, made of silver. They will determine the measure thereof according to their wishes. And they will be given to drink there a cup (of wine) mixed with ginger, (and) a spring there, called Salsabil. And round about them will servants of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think them scattered pearls. And when you look there (in Paradise), you will see a delight (that cannot be imagined), and a great dominion. Their garments will be of fine green silk, and gold embroidery. They will be adorned with bracelets of silver, and their Lord will give them a pure drink. (And it will be said to them): "Verily, this is a reward for you, and your endeavour has been accepted."
[The Quran, Al-Insan v. 12-22]


"The description of Paradise which the Pious have been promised is that in it are rivers of water the taste and smell of which are not changed; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine delicious to those who drink; and rivers of clarified honey (clear and pure) therein for them is every kind of fruit; and forgiveness from their Lord.
[The Quran, Muhammed v. 15]


And those foremost (in monotheism and in performing righteous deeds in the life of this world) will be foremost (in Paradise). These will be those nearest to God, in the Gardens of delight (Paradise)... (They will be) on thrones woven with gold and precious stones, reclining thereon, face to face. They will be served by youthful servants, with cups, and jugs, and a glass from the flowing wine, wherefrom they will get neither any aching of the head, nor any intoxication. And fruit; that they may choose. And the flesh of fowls that they desire. And fair maidens (as wives for the pious) with wide, lovely eyes , like preserved pearls.  A reward for what (good) they used to do. No evil vain talk will they hear therein, nor any sinful speech (like gossip, backbiting, etc.), but only the saying of: "Peace!", "Peace!" (as a greeting)...(They will be) among thornless lote-trees Among vegetation with fruits piled one above another, In shade long-extended, by water flowing constantly, And fruit in plenty, Whose season is not limited, and their supply will not be cut off, And on couches or thrones, raised high. Verily, We have created them (maidens) of special creation. And made them virgins. Loving (their husbands only), equal in age.
[Al-Waqi'ah v. 10-37]


"Verily, the dwellers of the Paradise, that Day, will be busy in joyful things. They and their wives will be in pleasant shade, reclining on thrones. They will have therein fruits (of all kinds) and all that they ask for. (It will be said to them): "Peace!"(peace be on you), a Word from the Lord (God), Most Merciful."
[Yaa' Seen v.55-8]

Do you ever doubt your faith, Falah?

Not having a go - genuinely curious.

Do you actually believe that? Spose its better than eternity in the clouds with boredom.

SOB

Quote:

Verily, We have created them (maidens) of special creation. And made them virgins. Loving (their husbands only), equal in age.

So what do women get?

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 1:14pm:

Quote: Verily, We have created them (maidens) of special creation. And made them virgins. Loving (their husbands only), equal in age. So what do women get?

I don't know, but if it's 72 young male virgins I'm going to be pissed.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 1:14pm: Quote: Verily, We have created them (maidens) of special creation. And made them virgins. Loving (their husbands only), equal in age. So what do women get? I don't know, but if it's 72 young male virgins I'm going to be pissed.

Imagine how many preists would get sex changes and covert

I'll take a Bill Nighy (perhaps two) and a Johnny Depp.

With Snoop Dogg voice overs. 

Thanks.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 5:18pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 5:14pm: freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 1:14pm: Quote: Verily, We have created them (maidens) of special creation. And made them virgins. Loving (their husbands only), equal in age. So what do women get? I don't know, but if it's 72 young male virgins I'm going to be pissed. Imagine how many preists would get sex changes and covert

hahaha ... good one

Apparently Islam is doing a great recruiting job in our jails.

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 1:14pm:

Quote: Verily, We have created them (maidens) of special creation. And made them virgins. Loving (their husbands only), equal in age. So what do women get?

Concerning the reward of women. the wife of Prophet Muhammed (peace and blessings of God upon him), Umm Salamah, was recorded to have said:
Quote:

I said: [quote]O Apostle of God  . Why aren’t we (women) mentioned in the Quran in an equal footing with men?

Then; I was surprised to hear Him call one day from the pulpit:
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O people.

As I was combing my hair at the moment, I wrapped it up and came close to the door and stood there listening to Him say:
Quote:

God, Mighty and Sublime be He, revealed this (part of the Quran) to me: [quote]Verily, the Muslims, men and women, the believers men and women (who believe in Monotheism), the men and the women who are devout, the men and women who are truthful (in their speech and deeds), the men and the women who are patient and constant, the men and the women who are humble (before their Lord God), the men and the women who give charity, the men and the women who observe the fasting (the obligatory fasting during the month of Ramadan, and the optional fasting), the men and the women who guard their chastity (from illegal sexual acts) and the men and the women who remember God much with their hearts and tongues God has prepared for them forgiveness and a great reward (i.e. Paradise). [Al-Ahzab, v.35]

[/quote]

[Musnad Ahmad]
[/quote]




It was narrated that Anas ibn Maalik said: “I heard the Apostle of God (peace and blessings of God be upon him) say:"...If a woman from among the people of Paradise were to look at the people of this Earth, she would light up all that is in between them and fill it with (pleasant) fragrance. The veil on her head (alone) is better than this world and all that is in it.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 2587)

The men in Paradise will be given the strength of a hundred men in sexual function. It was narrated from Anas that the Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him) said: “The believer in Paradise will be given such and such strength for sexual intercourse.” He was asked, “O Messenger of God, will he really be able to do that?” He said, “He will be given the strength of one hundred (men).”
[Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2459]


It was narrated from Zayd ibn Arqam that the Apostle of God (peace and blessings of God be upon him) said: “A man among the people of Paradise will be given the strength of a hundred men for eating, drinking, desire and sexual intercourse. A man among the Jews said, ‘The one who eats or drinks needs to excrete!’ The Apostle of God said to him: ‘The only excretion of any one of them will be in the form of sweat which comes out through his skin, then his stomach will reduce in size again.’”
[Narrated by Ahmad, no. 18509; al-Daarimi, no. 2704]







“Therein you shall have (all) that your inner‑selves desire, and therein you shall have (all) for which you ask. An entertainment from (God), the Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”
[The Quran, Fussilat v. 31-32]

So that's what the women get? Men with 100X the sexual desire, so that they can satisfy their wives as well as all the virgins they will get, in between eating and drinking like a pig?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 5:30pm:

I'll take a Bill Nighy (perhaps two) and a Johnny Depp. With Snoop Dogg voice overs.  Thanks.

No barry white voice?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Do you ever doubt your faith, Falah? Not having a go - genuinely curious.

By the Grace of God Almighty, no. I have prayed to God to not let me die except as a Believing Muslim.

In the days when I first investigated Islam, Satan caused me to wonder whether Jesus was the son of God. But as I looked into the matter with an open heart, I became certain that God is One, and Jesus is only a prophet of God.

The Quran answers all my questions.


Quote:

Verily, the example of Jesus with God is the like the example of Adam. He (God) created him from dust, then said to him: "Be!" - and he was. [The Quran, Aali-Imran, v.59]

Just because Jesus had a miracuous birth does not mean he is the son of God. The creation of Adam is more miraculous than the creation of Jesus. Adam had no mother, and no father, but Jesus had a mother. God can create a man with no father. Jesus like Adam has no father.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 5:30pm: I'll take a Bill Nighy (perhaps two) and a Johnny Depp. With Snoop Dogg voice overs.  Thanks. No barry white voice?

No, Snoop will do nicely thanks.

falah wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 7:00pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 11:45am: Do you ever doubt your faith, Falah? Not having a go - genuinely curious. By the Grace of God Almighty, no. I have prayed to God to not let me die except as a Believing Muslim. In the days when I first investigated Islam, Satan caused me to wonder whether Jesus was the son of God. But as I looked into the matter with an open heart, I became certain that God is One, and Jesus is only a prophet of God. The Quran answers all my questions. Quote: Verily, the example of Jesus with God is the like the example of Adam. He (God) created him from dust, then said to him: "Be!" - and he was. [The Quran, Aali-Imran, v.59] Just because Jesus had a miracuous birth does not mean he is the son of God. The creation of Adam is more miraculous than the creation of Jesus. Adam had no mother, and no father, but Jesus had a mother. God can create a man with no father. Jesus like Adam has no father.

The scales have fallen from my eyes: you are smacking loony. Now I see!!!


Carry on.

Falah can you clarify what the 'great reward' is for women? It sounds like Muhammed really only considered men as his target audience. Is there anything specific for women, like the virgin thing for men? And how are women supposed to interpret the virgin thing?

I think if women are virtuous and good they get to be with their husbands in heaven.

With the virgins.

I am not kidding.


Is that right Falah?

Also, are the virgins good looking?

Are they female?

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 9:45pm:

Falah can you clarify what the 'great reward' is for women? It sounds like Muhammed really only considered men as his target audience. Is there anything specific for women, like the virgin thing for men? And how are women supposed to interpret the virgin thing?

FD,

Annie needn't worry about getting Bill Nighy nor Johnny Depp.

According to Mohammed, most women go to hell,   ......presumably, unless they are virgins.       ;D       ;D       ;D

If they are virgins, then clearly, their 'reward' is to go to Allah's paradise.       ;D       ;D       ;D


Google;
most residents of hell, women, mohammed






Annie,

You could always go to one of those hymen surgeons in Egypt, i suppose.      ;)

Yadda wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 12:02am:

freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 9:45pm: Falah can you clarify what the 'great reward' is for women? It sounds like Muhammed really only considered men as his target audience. Is there anything specific for women, like the virgin thing for men? And how are women supposed to interpret the virgin thing? FD, Annie needn't worry about getting Bill Nighy nor Johnny Depp. According to Mohammed, most women go to hell,   ......presumably, unless they are virgins.       ;D       ;D       ;D

The fact is Yadda that most people will go to Hell, whether male or female. This is because most people like yourself are polytheists.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 9:47pm:

I think if women are virtuous and good they get to be with their husbands in heaven. With the virgins. I am not kidding. Is that right Falah?

This is correct, but only if both go to Paradise instead of Hell.

People will not enter the Afterlife as they are now. Their faults will be removed, and they will be enhanced beyond comprehension.

People will not feel jealousy in the afterlife.

For a woman, her husband will match whatever she desires.



Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "The first batch (of people) who will enter Paradise will be (glittering) like the full moon, and the batch next to them will be (glittering) like the most brilliant star in the sky. Their hearts will be as if the heart of a single man, for they will have neither enmity nor jealousy amongst themselves...." [Al-Bukhari]



Narrated Abu Huraira: Gods Apostle said, "The first group of people who will enter Paradise, will be glittering like the full moon and those who will follow them, will glitter like the most brilliant star in the sky. They will not urinate, defecate, spit, or have any nasal secretions. 
[Al-Bukhari ]

falah wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 12:54am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:02am: freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 9:45pm: Falah can you clarify what the 'great reward' is for women? It sounds like Muhammed really only considered men as his target audience. Is there anything specific for women, like the virgin thing for men? And how are women supposed to interpret the virgin thing? FD, Annie needn't worry about getting Bill Nighy nor Johnny Depp. According to Mohammed, most women go to hell,   ......presumably, unless they are virgins.       ;D       ;D       ;D The fact is Yadda that most people will go to Hell, whether male or female. This is because most people like yourself are polytheists.

Incorrect falah.

Clearly the 'criteria' which causes most people to go to dwell in hell, is because they are women.



Volume 4, Book 54, Number 464:

    Narrated 'Imran bin Husain:

    The Prophet said, "I looked at Paradise and found poor people forming the majority of its inhabitants; and I looked at Hell and saw that the majority of its inhabitants were women."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/054



falah,

Are most women polytheists ???
/sarc off

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

Also, are the virgins good looking? Are they female?

They are females who are more beautiful than woman on his Earth.



“They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Hoor (fair females) with wide lovely eyes
[al-Toor v.20]



The Prophet (God's peace & blessings upon him) said: "If as little as a fingernail's worth of what is in Paradise were to become apparent, it would have beautified all the far corners of the heavens and the  Earth..."
[Tirmidzeee]



It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri that the Apostle of God (peace and blessings of God be upon him) said: “The lowest (ranked) of the people of Paradise in status will be a man whose face God will turn away from the Fire towards Paradise, and make a shady tree appear before him. …  Then he will enter his house and his two wives from among al-hoor al-‘ayn will enter after him. They will say: ‘Praise be to God Who has created you for us and us for you.’ And he will say: ‘No one has been given the like of that which I have been given.’”
[Muslim]

"...If a woman from among the people of Paradise were to look at the people of this earth, she would light up all that is in between them and fill it with fragrance. The veil on her head alone is more beautiful than this world and all that is in it.’” [al-Bukhari]

Yadda wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 1:08am:

falah wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:54am: Yadda wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:02am: freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 9:45pm: Falah can you clarify what the 'great reward' is for women? It sounds like Muhammed really only considered men as his target audience. Is there anything specific for women, like the virgin thing for men? And how are women supposed to interpret the virgin thing? FD, Annie needn't worry about getting Bill Nighy nor Johnny Depp. According to Mohammed, most women go to hell,   ......presumably, unless they are virgins.       ;D       ;D       ;D The fact is Yadda that most people will go to Hell, whether male or female. This is because most people like yourself are polytheists. Incorrect falah. Clearly the 'criteria' which causes most people to go to dwell in hell, is because they are women. Volume 4, Book 54, Number 464:     Narrated 'Imran bin Husain:     The Prophet said, "I looked at Paradise and found poor people forming the majority of its inhabitants; and I looked at Hell and saw that the majority of its inhabitants were women." hadithsunnah/bukhari/054 falah, Are most women polytheists ??? /sarc off

"Clearly the 'criteria' which causes most people to go to dwell in hell, is because they are women."

Yadda that is pretty dumb - even for you. It is like saying, "most people in prison are men, therefore they are in prison because they are men!"



I guessing that math is not your thing.

Yadda has it occured to you that it is possible that most of the people on Earth can go to Hell because they are polytheists, and at the same time most of them will be women?

Imagine 90% of people go to Hell for polytheism, and 51% of those people are women. Then we could say that most of the people in Hell are women - and all the people in Hell are polytheists.


Most women are polytheists, just as most men are polyhteists.

All polytheists will go to Hell.

It was narrated from Imran ibn Husayn that the Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him) said: “I looked into Paradise and I saw that the majority of its people were the poor. And I looked into Hell and I saw that the majority of its people are women.”
[al-Bukhari, 3241; Muslim]


Any righteous woman who is a monotheist will go to Paradise and not Hell.

Prophet Muhammed mentioned many women who would be forgiven their sins by God Almighty, and also women like Mary, mother of Jesus, and the wife of Pharoah, who had reached a level of perfection in their religion.


Why is it that women's magazines have horoscopes, but men's magazines do not?

US research has found that women are twice as likely as men to seek the services of fortune tellers.

The same survey found that women were 30% more likely to say that they are in touch with dead people.

http://www.wnd.com/images/pewsurvey.jpg




Women were also 30% more likely to believe in reincarnation, and astrology.


http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedimages/Topics/Beliefs_and_Practices/Other_Beliefs_and_Practices/image009.gif

http://www.pewforum.org/Other-Beliefs-and-Practices/Many-Americans-Mix-Multiple-Faiths.aspx

@ least the muslims are honest about why they want to go to heaven - carnal sex. Xtians tend to repress it all - is there any sex in the xtian heaven? Haha if you are horny become a muslim.

SOB

So all the references to women and heaven are from hadith?


72 virgins for a man and the woman gets stuck with the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years in life.

Think about it, Falah. Does that make sense to you?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

So all the references to women and heaven are from hadith? 72 virgins for a man and the woman gets stuck with the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years in life. Think about it, Falah. Does that make sense to you?

Annie, do you think this is a good way to speak about a lady's husband? That he was just "the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years of her life"? Does that really paint an accurate picture of the relationship between the pious husband and wife do you think?

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 8:44am: So all the references to women and heaven are from hadith? 72 virgins for a man and the woman gets stuck with the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years in life. Think about it, Falah. Does that make sense to you? Annie, do you think this is a good way to speak about a lady's husband? That he was just "the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years of her life"? Does that really paint an accurate picture of the relationship between the pious husband and wife do you think?

Yes, Annie.

Just show some respect for the brothers

After all, men are above [superior to] women, in Allah's scheme of things.

So please show some respect to your superiors.
/sarc off

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

@ least the muslims are honest about why they want to go to heaven - carnal sex. Xtians tend to repress it all - is there any sex in the xtian heaven? Haha if you are horny become a muslim. SOB

Matthew 22:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30  For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.




Yes, spot.

Its going to be a very boring life in the Christian heaven.

Only peace and joy every day, for the rest of eternity.





So if you prefer looking at permanent erections, and having non-stop sex [for eternity], you'll be better off going to Allah's paradise.             ;)

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 8:44am: So all the references to women and heaven are from hadith? 72 virgins for a man and the woman gets stuck with the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years in life. Think about it, Falah. Does that make sense to you? Annie, do you think this is a good way to speak about a lady's husband? That he was just "the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years of her life"? Does that really paint an accurate picture of the relationship between the pious husband and wife do you think?

It's an accurate representation of a lot of pious people I know.

My husband's niece is pious. Her husband has just decided he wants to take another wife. She's absolutely gutted. It's his right, isn't it?

One of my friends has a pious mother. The pious father took off and left the family for a couple of years to hang out with a much less religious Muslim woman. When he wanted to come home, her sons put so much pressure on her to accept him back in, that she did and now she is miserable. She had to endure all the bitching and snide remarks from all he other pious women that pretended to be horrified but were secretly feeling superior in the knowledge that their own husbands would never, ever do such a thing.

And on, and on, and on - ad nauseam.


Why is it that for Muslims, a woman's 'goodness' relies on her patience? That's what I'm seeing when I look around me. The more a woman suffers or sacrifices for her man in the name of her God, the more worthy she is.

And that's bullshit.

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

Also, are the virgins good looking? Are they female?

You get:
72 black eyed virgins,
a palace with 3 swimming pools,
& a truck load of whisky.

Sounds like a good deal to me -
maybe I should convert?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 9:50pm: Also, are the virgins good looking? Are they female? You get: 72 black eyed virgins, a palace with 3 swimming pools, & a truck load of whisky. Sounds like a good deal to me - maybe I should convert?

Yes you should convert bobby.

You would be a real asset to Allah and the brothers, believe me.





Then again, instead you could read God's word.

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Yadda wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 11:57am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:46am: freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 9:50pm: Also, are the virgins good looking? Are they female? You get: 72 black eyed virgins, a palace with 3 swimming pools, & a truck load of whisky. Sounds like a good deal to me - maybe I should convert? Yes you should convert bobby. You would be a real asset to Allah and the brothers, believe me. Then again, instead you could read God's word. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Yes but all that praying 5 times a day would hurt my knees.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 10:17am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 8:44am: So all the references to women and heaven are from hadith? 72 virgins for a man and the woman gets stuck with the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years in life. Think about it, Falah. Does that make sense to you? Annie, do you think this is a good way to speak about a lady's husband? That he was just "the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years of her life"? Does that really paint an accurate picture of the relationship between the pious husband and wife do you think? It's an accurate representation of a lot of pious people I know. My husband's niece is pious. Her husband has just decided he wants to take another wife. She's absolutely gutted. It's his right, isn't it? One of my friends has a pious mother. The pious father took off and left the family for a couple of years to hang out with a much less religious Muslim woman. When he wanted to come home, her sons put so much pressure on her to accept him back in, that she did and now she is miserable. She had to endure all the bitching and snide remarks from all he other pious women that pretended to be horrified but were secretly feeling superior in the knowledge that their own husbands would never, ever do such a thing. And on, and on, and on - ad nauseam. Why is it that for Muslims, a woman's 'goodness' relies on her patience? That's what I'm seeing when I look around me. The more a woman suffers or sacrifices for her man in the name of her God, the more worthy she is. And that's bullshit.

Annie,

My commiserations to your relative, and, to your other friend.








Annie,

Pray for your relative, and, pray for your other friend.

But, pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, for them.

Of course, I'm very appreciative of your attempts to save my soul, Yadda, but I think I'll give prayer a break.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 12:06pm:

Of course, I'm very appreciative of your attempts to save my soul, Yadda, but I think I'll give prayer a break.

Yes, it is difficult to see past the things of this world.




2 Corinthians 4:1
Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2  But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
3  But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5  For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6  For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7  But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.


We are those 'earthen vessels'.





John 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Yadda - who's got the best afterlife deal?

Moses,  Jesus or Muhammad?

We're all conscious of getting the best deal on everything these days -
internet as opposed to ordinary shopping.


72 black eyed virgins sounds appealing to me.

What happens when they are used up though? Do you get a new load or are you stuck with 72 used ex-virgins?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 1:22pm:

What happens when they are used up though? Do you get a new load or are you stuck with 72 used ex-virgins? SOB

Is there a money back guarantee?  ;D

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 12:00pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:57am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:46am: freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 9:50pm: Also, are the virgins good looking? Are they female? You get: 72 black eyed virgins, a palace with 3 swimming pools, & a truck load of whisky. Sounds like a good deal to me - maybe I should convert? Yes you should convert bobby. You would be a real asset to Allah and the brothers, believe me. Then again, instead you could read God's word. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Yes but all that praying 5 times a day would hurt my knees.

But would the fire of Hell hurt your knees more? (The fires of Hell are 70 times greater than the fire of Earth)


The punishment of Hell continues forever:

“Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses (Quran) – We will drive them into a Fire.  Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment.  Indeed, God is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.” (Quran an-nisaa' v. 56)


note that nerve ending are in the upper layers of skin. This skin will be constantly replaced so Hell's inhabitants will feel the pain of burning forever.

http://special.worldofislam.info/Prove/images/AboutHumanBody_01.jpg

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 10:17am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 8:44am: So all the references to women and heaven are from hadith? 72 virgins for a man and the woman gets stuck with the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years in life. Think about it, Falah. Does that make sense to you? Annie, do you think this is a good way to speak about a lady's husband? That he was just "the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years of her life"? Does that really paint an accurate picture of the relationship between the pious husband and wife do you think? It's an accurate representation of a lot of pious people I know.

Just because you choose to be in the wrong circles of peoples, does not mean everyone is like that.



Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

One of my friends has a pious mother. The pious father took off and left the family for a couple of years to hang out with a much less religious Muslim woman. When he wanted to come home, her sons put so much pressure on her to accept him back in, that she did and now she is miserable. She had to endure all the bitching and snide remarks from all he other pious women that pretended to be horrified but were secretly feeling superior in the knowledge that their own husbands would never, ever do such a thing.

Adultery is considered an automatic divorce in Islam if witnessed or confessed.

Abdandonment is also grounds for divorce in Islam.

You are confusing un-Islamic cultural practices with Islam.



You obviously know that you are a liar by labelling an adulter as "pious".


You also seem to ignore the fact that people who are granted entry to Paradise are removed of their faults, and are beutified.

falah wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:46am: abu_rashid wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 10:17am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 8:44am: So all the references to women and heaven are from hadith? 72 virgins for a man and the woman gets stuck with the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years in life. Think about it, Falah. Does that make sense to you? Annie, do you think this is a good way to speak about a lady's husband? That he was just "the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years of her life"? Does that really paint an accurate picture of the relationship between the pious husband and wife do you think? It's an accurate representation of a lot of pious people I know. Just because you choose to be in the wrong circles of peoples, does not mean everyone is like that. Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:46am: One of my friends has a pious mother. The pious father took off and left the family for a couple of years to hang out with a much less religious Muslim woman. When he wanted to come home, her sons put so much pressure on her to accept him back in, that she did and now she is miserable. She had to endure all the bitching and snide remarks from all he other pious women that pretended to be horrified but were secretly feeling superior in the knowledge that their own husbands would never, ever do such a thing. Adultery is considered an automatic divorce in Islam if witnessed or confessed. Abdandonment is also grounds for divorce in Islam. You are confusing un-Islamic cultural practices with Islam. You obviously know that you are a liar by labelling an adulter as "pious".

Yadda paraphrases......

You are at fault Annie.....

Coz you are misunderstanding ISLAM's virtue.

You are misunderstanding ISLAM.

You infidel you!
/sarc off



We need a little more submission from you Annie.        ;)

falah,

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But would the fire of Hell hurt your knees more? (The fires of Hell are 70 times greater than the fire of Earth) The punishment of Hell continues forever: “Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses (Quran) – We will drive them into a Fire.  Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment.  Indeed, God is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.” (Quran an-nisaa' v. 56) note that nerve ending are in the upper layers of skin. This skin will be constantly replaced so Hell's inhabitants will feel the pain of burning forever.

Falah - you're a sick puppy.
You actually believe bible & koran fairy tales.
You need de-programming.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 3:54pm:

falah, Quote: But would the fire of Hell hurt your knees more? (The fires of Hell are 70 times greater than the fire of Earth) The punishment of Hell continues forever: “Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses (Quran) – We will drive them into a Fire.  Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment.  Indeed, God is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.” (Quran an-nisaa' v. 56) note that nerve ending are in the upper layers of skin. This skin will be constantly replaced so Hell's inhabitants will feel the pain of burning forever. Falah - you're a sick puppy. You actually believe bible & koran fairy tales. You need de-programming.

and what fairytales do you believe in? That the world created itself?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m00v93Id121r1kcz9.jpg

falah wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 3:54pm: falah, Quote: But would the fire of Hell hurt your knees more? (The fires of Hell are 70 times greater than the fire of Earth) The punishment of Hell continues forever: “Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses (Quran) – We will drive them into a Fire.  Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment.  Indeed, God is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.” (Quran an-nisaa' v. 56) note that nerve ending are in the upper layers of skin. This skin will be constantly replaced so Hell's inhabitants will feel the pain of burning forever. Falah - you're a sick puppy. You actually believe bible & koran fairy tales. You need de-programming. and what fairytales do you believe in? That the world created itself? http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m00v93Id121r1kcz9.jpg

Cmon falah,
I have already told you that image is not true, why post it again?
You dont have to admit your wrong just dont continue to say it if you know your wrong

falah wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 3:54pm: falah, Quote: But would the fire of Hell hurt your knees more? (The fires of Hell are 70 times greater than the fire of Earth) The punishment of Hell continues forever: “Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses (Quran) – We will drive them into a Fire.  Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment.  Indeed, God is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.” (Quran an-nisaa' v. 56) note that nerve ending are in the upper layers of skin. This skin will be constantly replaced so Hell's inhabitants will feel the pain of burning forever. Falah - you're a sick puppy. You actually believe bible & koran fairy tales. You need de-programming. and what fairytales do you believe in? That the world created itself? http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m00v93Id121r1kcz9.jpg

It's even harder to believe that a man with a beard did it - sorry.  ;D

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

falah wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:39pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 3:54pm: falah, Quote: But would the fire of Hell hurt your knees more? (The fires of Hell are 70 times greater than the fire of Earth) The punishment of Hell continues forever: “Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses (Quran) – We will drive them into a Fire.  Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment.  Indeed, God is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.” (Quran an-nisaa' v. 56) note that nerve ending are in the upper layers of skin. This skin will be constantly replaced so Hell's inhabitants will feel the pain of burning forever. Falah - you're a sick puppy. You actually believe bible & koran fairy tales. You need de-programming. and what fairytales do you believe in? That the world created itself? http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m00v93Id121r1kcz9.jpg It's even harder to believe that a man with a beard did it - sorry.  ;D

The idea of God being man-like is a Christian fabrication.



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The Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you mates from yourselves, and for the cattle (also) mates. By this means He creates you (in the wombs). There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer. [Quran, ash-Shura, v.11]

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Say: "God, He is One. God is the Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need. He begets not, nor was He begotten; And there is nothing comparable unto Him." [Quran, al-Ikhlas, v.11]

Falah can you please accept that is not what atheists believe tho,

All the reward afterlifes in religions have things I don't even want. I mean nothing that offends you? That is insane, it is human nature to find things to offensive. Your lord rewards your coping with human nature by stripping it away from you, might as well say everyone gets free lobotomies.

Humans aren't built for this crazy crap, better to live forever at least we a made for life on Earth. If death is inevitable it is better to face utter oblivion, it does not discriminate.

Incomptinence wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

All the reward afterlifes in religions have things I don't even want

Nothing you want?


Therein you shall have (all) that your inner‑selves desire, and therein you shall have (all) for which you ask. An entertainment from (God), the Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”
[The Quran, Fussilat v. 31-32]

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 5:35pm:

Falah can you please accept that is not what atheists believe tho,

As soon as you tell us what atheists do believe.

falah wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 5:35pm: Falah can you please accept that is not what atheists believe tho, As soon as you tell us what atheists do believe.

Falah,
What of you're not an atheist - you just don't believe in any fairy tales?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

It's an accurate representation of a lot of pious people I know. My husband's niece is pious. Her husband has just decided he wants to take another wife. She's absolutely gutted. It's his right, isn't it? One of my friends has a pious mother. The pious father took off and left the family for a couple of years to hang out with a much less religious Muslim woman. When he wanted to come home, her sons put so much pressure on her to accept him back in, that she did and now she is miserable. She had to endure all the bitching and snide remarks from all he other pious women that pretended to be horrified but were secretly feeling superior in the knowledge that their own husbands would never, ever do such a thing. And on, and on, and on - ad nauseam. Why is it that for Muslims, a woman's 'goodness' relies on her patience? That's what I'm seeing when I look around me. The more a woman suffers or sacrifices for her man in the name of her God, the more worthy she is. And that's bullshit.

I can cite for you cases where the shoe is on the other foot, the fact is there are people of both sexes who mistreat their spouses.

As for patience being a virtue, it is a virtue for all believers, not just women. A man's goodness relies upon him being patient too.

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 9:10pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:46am: It's an accurate representation of a lot of pious people I know. My husband's niece is pious. Her husband has just decided he wants to take another wife. She's absolutely gutted. It's his right, isn't it? One of my friends has a pious mother. The pious father took off and left the family for a couple of years to hang out with a much less religious Muslim woman. When he wanted to come home, her sons put so much pressure on her to accept him back in, that she did and now she is miserable. She had to endure all the bitching and snide remarks from all he other pious women that pretended to be horrified but were secretly feeling superior in the knowledge that their own husbands would never, ever do such a thing. And on, and on, and on - ad nauseam. Why is it that for Muslims, a woman's 'goodness' relies on her patience? That's what I'm seeing when I look around me. The more a woman suffers or sacrifices for her man in the name of her God, the more worthy she is. And that's bullshit. I can cite for you cases where the shoe is on the other foot, the fact is there are people of both sexes who mistreat their spouses. As for patience being a virtue, it is a virtue for all believers, not just women. A man's goodness relies upon him being patient too.

Do you really not see a difference between the expectation of Muslims (not God) with regards to women and patience and men and patience?

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 9:10pm:

I can cite for you cases where the shoe is on the other foot, the fact is there are people of both sexes who mistreat their spouses. As for patience being a virtue, it is a virtue for all believers, not just women. A man's goodness relies upon him being patient too.

Ain't that just marvelous?  A man who has all the economic and social power and the 'I divorce you' three times at his disposal is now in the same boat as his wife who is half of him as an opening gambit when itr comes to any kind of disagreement.


You bearded monsters have not twigged onto human dignity. as such, have you? It is still male and female dignity. A woman must cover up while the bearded numpties can strut around with the abundant facial hair exposed to the disgust of all passers by. As a for example of  very galling type.

A dishonourable Muslim male can get away with being dishonourable MUCH, MUCH easier than a dishonourable Muslim female.

Address that.

And yes, there are cases where the shoe is on the other foot, as you say. I'm talking more about how women are expected to make du'a and put up with it.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:

And yes, there are cases where the shoe is on the other foot, as you say. I'm talking more about how women are expected to make du'a and put up with it.

As are men in certain circumstances too.


Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:

Do you really not see a difference between the expectation of Muslims (not God) with regards to women and patience and men and patience?

Amongst some individuals, yes. Do you have unrealistic expectations than anything will ever be 100% as it is "supposed to be"?

In Australian society, theoretically women are supposed to be "equals" and can't be abused and looked down upon as "sex on two legs", but do you honestly think the reality lives up to this?

You will always have individuals who do not live up to ideals. You need to take that up with those individuals, not with the ideals.

falah wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 5:35pm: Falah can you please accept that is not what atheists believe tho, As soon as you tell us what atheists do believe.

Atheists dont believe in anything in particular. They are all different. Some may believe in something while others dont. Atheists arent a group. Its just a label the religions have given non-believers.

SOB

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 10:30pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 9:25pm: And yes, there are cases where the shoe is on the other foot, as you say. I'm talking more about how women are expected to make du'a and put up with it. As are men in certain circumstances too. Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 9:25pm: Do you really not see a difference between the expectation of Muslims (not God) with regards to women and patience and men and patience? Amongst some individuals, yes. Do you have unrealistic expectations than anything will ever be 100% as it is "supposed to be"? In Australian society, theoretically women are supposed to be "equals" and can't be abused and looked down upon as "sex on two legs", but do you honestly think the reality lives up to this? You will always have individuals who do not live up to ideals. You need to take that up with those individuals, not with the ideals.

I am not talking about Islam. I am talking about Muslims. Ahadith. Patriarchal, misogynistic interpretation.   

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 8:03pm:

falah wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 7:51pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 5:35pm: Falah can you please accept that is not what atheists believe tho, As soon as you tell us what atheists do believe. Falah, What of you're not an atheist - you just don't believe in any fairy tales?

Bump.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 10:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 8:03pm: falah wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 7:51pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 5:35pm: Falah can you please accept that is not what atheists believe tho, As soon as you tell us what atheists do believe. Falah, What of you're not an atheist - you just don't believe in any fairy tales? Bump.

Oh well, I guess you can't expect everyone to be intelligent enough to ask the question: "How did I get here?"

falah wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 11:57am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:43am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 8:03pm: falah wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 7:51pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 5:35pm: Falah can you please accept that is not what atheists believe tho, As soon as you tell us what atheists do believe. Falah, What of you're not an atheist - you just don't believe in any fairy tales? Bump. Oh well, I guess you can't expect everyone to be intelligent enough to ask the question: "How did I get here?"

Hasn't anyone taken the time Falah, to explain the "Birds & the Bees" to you yet?

Now, on a serious matter, no matter how much you believe, nor in what religion you believe in, once your dead that's it, there is no more!

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 1:22pm:

What happens when they are used up though? Do you get a new load or are you stuck with 72 used ex-virgins? SOB

bump

falah wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 11:57am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:43am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 8:03pm: falah wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 7:51pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 5:35pm: Falah can you please accept that is not what atheists believe tho, As soon as you tell us what atheists do believe. Falah, What of you're not an atheist - you just don't believe in any fairy tales? Bump. Oh well, I guess you can't expect everyone to be intelligent enough to ask the question: "How did I get here?"

I know the answer - there is no reason.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 9:47pm:

I think if women are virtuous and good they get to be with their husbands in heaven. With the virgins. I am not kidding. Is that right Falah?

You would have to share your husband with his other wives and the houris,he will have an everlasting erection thanks to allah.


If a muslim man dies happy with his wife then she can go to paradise if she has been a good muslimah.
If this woman remarries and is also widowed with her husband being happy with her at the time of death then who gets her in paradise, is it the first husband or the second?

Abu-Falah-Annie can you answer who gets the wife in paradise if she was married twice and provide Quran or hadith verses?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

So all the references to women and heaven are from hadith? 72 virgins for a man and the woman gets stuck with the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years in life. Think about it, Falah. Does that make sense to you?

No Annie. Not the same one. He is now sex crazed - with 100 X his original sex drive. And his poo doesn't stink. And the sun shines out his arse. And he is not jealous of anything.

Falah, if he has no reason to be jealous, does that mean the wife can also have sex with other men?

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:13pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 8:44am: So all the references to women and heaven are from hadith? 72 virgins for a man and the woman gets stuck with the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years in life. Think about it, Falah. Does that make sense to you? No Annie. Not the same one. He is now sex crazed - with 100 X his original sex drive. And his poo doesn't stink. And the sun shines out his arse. And he is not jealous of anything. Falah, if he has no reason to be jealous, does that mean the wife can also have sex with other men?

I did a (very) quick check through Wikipedia today. I'm sure Abu and Falah will tell me if I'm wrong, but apparently there is no number of Houri'in (sp?) mentioned in the Quran.

Neither does it say whether they are male of female, but they are spoken of in feminine language.

Just like there's no mention of stoning for adultery.
The Quran completes or perfects Islam - surely these things would get a mention if they were legit.


Those ahadith have a lot to answer for. They're like Chinese whispers for female oppression.

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Do you really not see a difference between the expectation of Muslims (not God) with regards to women and patience and men and patience?

That is kind of trivial compared to the other differences - eg 4 wives, one husband, needing your owner's permission to go outside etc.


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I am not talking about Islam. I am talking about Muslims. Ahadith. Patriarchal, misogynistic interpretation.

   

Islam itself seems far more mysoginistic than Muslims. Or at least, Abu's and Falah's interpretation does. And they are the ones who want to stone people to death for having a different interpretation - which tends to make them the winners in arguments about Islam.


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Those ahadith have a lot to answer for. They're like Chinese whispers for female oppression.

They oppress everyone, including Arab male muslims.

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:27pm:

Quote: Do you really not see a difference between the expectation of Muslims (not God) with regards to women and patience and men and patience? That is kind of trivial compared to the other differences - eg 4 wives, one husband, needing your owner's permission to go outside etc.

Owner's permission? I guess you think that's funny. I'm not seeing it.

Lots of Muslim men will tell you that a woman's patience in the situations you mention are her ticket to heaven.





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[quote]Those ahadith have a lot to answer for. They're like Chinese whispers for female oppression.

They oppress everyone, including Arab male muslims.[/quote][/quote]

Perhaps, but to nowhere near the same extent.

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Owner's permission? I guess you think that's funny.

I don't think it's funny. There are a lot of things that a woman has to get her owner's (father, husband, etc) permission for. This also applies to women why interpret Islam differently.


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Perhaps, but to nowhere near the same extent.

Islam is called submission for a reason. The more you agree with it and appear (from the outside) to benefit from being on top, the more you end up bowing down. At least a disobedient woman is allowed her own thoughts.

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I don't think it's funny. There are a lot of things that a woman has to get her owner's (father, husband, etc) permission for. This also applies to women why interpret Islam differently.

Women are responsible for themselves in Islam. Or they should be, at any rate.


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Islam is called submission for a reason. The more you agree with it and appear (from the outside) to benefit from being on top, the more you end up bowing down. At least a disobedient woman is allowed her own thoughts.

You won't hear me arguing with you about that.

Life's always tough at the top, whatever it is you stand on.

falah wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 7:45pm:

Incomptinence wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 7:19pm: All the reward afterlifes in religions have things I don't even want Nothing you want? Therein you shall have (all) that your inner‑selves desire, and therein you shall have (all) for which you ask. An entertainment from (God), the Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful” [The Quran, Fussilat v. 31-32]

Yeah that part, you really don't want that. It would break you.