Caught the Thriller in Manila on TV with the epic 3 fights between MUHAMED ALI and SMOKIN' JOE FRAZIER.

It was more a documentary of the times. I have the great pleasure to meet Muhammad ALI in person when I worked for Ansett Airlines. It was the time he came for the Logies and Bert Newton floored everyone at the Logies by putting on his Colonel Sanders accent and saying, "I like the boy". A gross insult to a black man.

ALI handled it with finesse and style and BERT realising he had stuffed up royally used all of his wit and personality to 'make it up' to ALI. It was a great moment in television.

The last fight, where ALI gave JOE  a shot at his title which he had won back  against George Foreman in 'The Rumble in the Jungle' in Africa.

The fight was the greatest fight I have ever seen, JOE the bruising hammer and ALI the jabbing and moving powerhouse.

The fight was stopped at the end of round 14 when Frazier's eyes were both virtually closed. A little known secret cam out in the film; it disclosed that JOE suffered an eye injury to his right eye early in his career and fought all those great fights pretty much with one good eye.

In the 14th round ALI hit Joe so heavily that his mouthguard went flying into the fifth row of the fans there.

After the fight ALI left on a stretcher but he had won the fight.

A GOLDEN CLASSIC.

I love boxing - it's one of those things that surprises me about myself.

I didn't know that about Bert and Muhammad Ali...what a silly thing to say to one of the greatest athletes in history.

Can’t work out if it was all a set up to make publicity or if there was actually a feud.

Cassius Clay was a smart, charismatic man, but was he good for the sport of boxing?

I say no, though it's beyond his control.  He basically invented "trash-talking" in what was previously a gentlemens sport.  He was very good at it, his cheeky barbs not overstepping the line but having the desired effect. Unfortunately, people who followed him and imitated his example aren't so good at it.  They lack the wit and try to compensate with thuggishness.  This has turned boxing into a farce, similar to WWF.  Can there be a championship fight where they don't have the obligatory choreographed showboating and push-and-shove at the media conference and/or weigh in these days?

Muhammed Ali was convicted for refusing to fight in the US invasion of Vietnam.

He was stripped of his boxing license and titles.

This was at his peak. He was unable to box for 4 years. He sacrificed the millions of dollars from boxing, on principle.

He famously said in 1966: "I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong... They never called me "ni**er"."

"No, I am not going 10,000 miles to help murder, kill, and burn other people to simply help continue the domination of white slavemasters over dark people the world over. This is the day and age when such evil injustice must come to an end."

"Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go ten thousand miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights?"

Quote:

They never called me black person."

He is a black person.


Wesley, I agree about all the pomp and ceremony surrounding fights. When they get in each others faces and try to stare each other down, I feel like smacking their heads together - just to get into the spirit of it all.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:31am:

Quote: They never called me black person." He is a black person.

The moderators changed the word "black person" to "black person" for some unfathomable reason.

Don't believe everything you read on Ozpolitic.

falah wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:35am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:31am: Quote: They never called me black person." He is a black person. The moderators changed the word "black person" to "black person" for some unfathomable reason. Don't believe everything you read on Ozpolitic.

He said black person.

He isn't and wasn't PC.

It would have been automatic, Falah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiWFLsgVi4

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:39am:

falah wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:35am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:31am: Quote: They never called me black person." He is a black person. The moderators changed the word "black person" to "black person" for some unfathomable reason. Don't believe everything you read on Ozpolitic. He said black person. He isn't and wasn't PC.

Given the context in which he said it, he was obviously pretty anti the n.gger word.

boxings great, very hard to do.

frazier hurt ali bad, ali was always scared of joe

Annie - There wasn't an ounce of malice in what Bert said, it was one of those stupid off the cuff things that came out unfunny. It was a time of great social change and Bert had no idea of how something like that would be seen as an insult in America. Bert hasn't got an ounce of malice in his body. I feel sorry for him and Patty with their deeply troubled son Matthew. All the money in the world could not distance them from that misery.

red baron wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:

...Bert hasn't got an ounce of malice in his body...

Then who taught Matthew to beat the crap out of women and elderly men then?


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THE bruises have faded but three weeks after an enraged Matthew Newton allegedly attacked Rachael Taylor in Rome, she still bears the scars. Friends said that while her physical injuries were healing, the rising Hollywood star was in therapy as she overcame the emotional toll, The Daily Telegraph reports. "She's getting there. She's tough but now it's the psychological stuff that she is working through," a friend said. http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/bashed-rachael-taylor-relies-on-friends/story-e6frfmvr-1225915095680

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RISING TV star Matthew Newton has been charged with bashing his former girlfriend, actor Brooke Satchwell, in a bitter break-up row. Newton, the son of showbiz legends Bert and Patti Newton, spent 11 hours in custody after his arrest by two police officers, court documents reveal. He is facing four charges, including assault occasioning actual bodily harm... The offences allegedly occurred last year at their Rozelle, Sydney, home after Satchwell had ended their five-year relationship, a court heard. Newton, 29, was initially refused bail by police after his arrest on October 16 because of concern over his "persistent violent offences'', according to court documents. He had also made "several threats to the victim and her family'' during the incidents, the court heard. Police allege the young entertainer assaulted Satchwell, 26, on September 13, between 5pm and 1am, and again on October 6, between 10.30pm and 11pm. Newton is also charged with intimidating Satchwell with the intent of causing her physical or mental harm. Satchwell, a former model and actor who starred in Neighbours, Water Rats and White Collar Blue, broke up with Newton in a split friends describe as "traumatic"... http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/newton-junior-on-assault-charge/story-e6frg12c-1111112826521

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THREE weeks ago Matthew Newton proudly declared: "I'm the strongest and most focused I've ever felt in my life." But an alleged attack on a taxi driver may be the final nail in his acting career, The Daily Telegraph reported. Legal experts said the off-the-rails star is now facing a "prolonged period of court-ordered hospitalisation" after being charged with two counts of assault on a 66-year-old cabbie. http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/matthew-newton-charged-for-allegedly-assaulting-a-sydney-taxi-driver/story-e6frfmqi-1226222404880

Could've been Patti.

Why would he need to be "taught"?

falah...ever heard of a bad seed...That's Matthew Newton..a bad seed...Even as a cop I found it repugnant the type of males (won't call them men) who beat up on women. I used to give those creeps the hardest time of the lot. .

It'll be a thriller & a killer & a chiller when I get that gorilla in Manilla.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKpbiVqC89U


I could listen to Ali all day - he's funny.

That fight was back in the day when we used to get boxing matches free on telly.
I remember it well  :)

adelcrow wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 7:12pm:

That fight was back in the day when we used to get boxing matches free on telly. I remember it well  :)

I remember all the great fights - especially Ali's.
I was surprised that Ali didn't knock out Frazier in Manilla in the first 5 rounds.
Frazier just seemed to be made of steel & wouldn't go down.
Any ordinary fighter would have been killed by Ali.

The show was repeated last night & I watched it again.

What a great story.
They don't make em like that anymore.

Ali was a great boxer and showman, but in my opinion as a human he was very average...he became the very person he and all black people was fighting against ...a bigot...his opinion of white people was exactly the same as the KKK has on black people, but somehow Ali's way of thinking was right.

   

Was he "the greatest"?  In his day, sure.

But he can't hold a candle to this man...

http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/thumb/c/cc/Vitali.jpg/180px-Vitali.jpg

In fact, "dr ironfist" could probably handle Ali AND frazier together.

... wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 1:52pm:

Was he "the greatest"?  In his day, sure. But he can't hold a candle to this man... http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/thumb/c/cc/Vitali.jpg/180px-Vitali.jpg In fact, "dr ironfist" could probably handle Ali AND frazier together.

Nonsense - Ali was the greatest!
Don't you know your history?

Ali even said  " I am the greatest "

Bobby. wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 6:53pm:

... wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 1:52pm: Was he "the greatest"?  In his day, sure. But he can't hold a candle to this man... http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/thumb/c/cc/Vitali.jpg/180px-Vitali.jpg In fact, "dr ironfist" could probably handle Ali AND frazier together. Nonsense - Ali was the greatest! Don't you know your history? Ali even said  " I am the greatest "

Exactly.

Exactly - but for me Ali will always be the greatest.
I've never seen anyone fight with such skill.
It was so interesting to watch how he moved.

It's interesting that no one has mentioned that after the 14th round, it was a race to throw in the towel. Frazier was virtually blind and Ali begged his handlers to cut off his gloves.
I  thought the doctor who featured in the doco was an absolute loony...

Bobby. wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 9:49pm:

Exactly - but for me Ali will always be the greatest. I've never seen anyone fight with such skill. It was so interesting to watch how he moved.

I thought there has been quite a few boxers who were better.
But Ali was very good, by all measures

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 8:08am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 9:49pm: Exactly - but for me Ali will always be the greatest. I've never seen anyone fight with such skill. It was so interesting to watch how he moved. I thought there has been quite a few boxers who were better. But Ali was very good, by all measures

I think Tyson was the greatest when he was young at first round knock outs.
Don't know how he would have fared against Ali in his prime.
We'll never know.

... wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:15am:

Cassius Clay was a smart, charismatic man, but was he good for the sport of boxing? I say no, though it's beyond his control.  He basically invented "trash-talking" in what was previously a gentlemens sport.  He was very good at it, his cheeky barbs not overstepping the line but having the desired effect. Unfortunately, people who followed him and imitated his example aren't so good at it.  They lack the wit and try to compensate with thuggishness.  This has turned boxing into a farce, similar to WWF.  Can there be a championship fight where they don't have the obligatory choreographed showboating and push-and-shove at the media conference and/or weigh in these days?

BULLYING RUNS ECONOMIES, SO NO!!!

Who is Dr Iron fist? I am not kidding???

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2065364/Klitschko-brothers--rate-heavyweight-boxing.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BH6LvUS__M&sns=em

Imagine going up against Tyson?
These were either very brave or very stupid opponents.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5sAs_1Fzlo&feature=related

yes, mike tyson early on was frightening.
ALL his opponents were scared of him.

Sugar ray leonard, marvellous marvin haggler, Kostya Tzyu

All in their time, unstoppable

Tyson was a machine at one stage in his career. Lost it at the end.

MOTR wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 9:01pm:

Tyson was a machine at one stage in his career. Lost it at the end.

I don't think anyone has ever fought like Tyson.
He was a monster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SzlHZH8A0M&sns=em

Would love to see Tyson fight in this era.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 8:29pm:

Imagine going up against Tyson? These were either very brave or very stupid opponents. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5sAs_1Fzlo&feature=related

Most of the guys Tyson smashed in this vid were very average boxers...Sterling Benjamin has not won a fight since 1979, that particular fight was in about 1985..Eddie Richardson lost 2 out of 3 fights directly  before Tyson, 1 was by TKO..Michael Johnson lost 3 fight directly before Tyson, 1 TKO and 2 KO's ... them boys were cannon fodder. 

Quote:

them boys were cannon fodder

them boys was dumb.
They did it for the money - I think.

MOTR wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 11:41pm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SzlHZH8A0M&sns=em Would love to see Tyson fight in this era.

A good slugfest - that's all.   ;D

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 12:48am:

them boys was dumb.

Agree..One punch from Tyson could put you in a place where you'll be weaving straw baskets for the remaining years.   :o

metal_j wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 1:22am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:48am: them boys was dumb. Agree..One punch from Tyson could put you in a place where you'll be weaving straw baskets for the remaining years.   :o

I think one Mike Tyson punch would kill me.
Those boxers must be made of steel.

Ali was a 'Boxer', never a 'Fighter'. He would never take the match to the opponent but rather draw the fight out the entire 12 rounds and then come home in the last number of rounds after tiring out his opponent. Ali showed good 'character' as a Boxer.

Tyson was a 'Fighter', never a 'Boxer'. He would come in to knock you out in the first round. He didn't want to win on points - he was there to knock you out. A much more accurate and technically sound 'Fighter' than the likes of Frazier or Duran. Tyson showed good 'Aura' as a Fighter. Tyson also had to climb a bigger hurdle than Ali due to his small size - something that I put Tyson as equal to Ali in a way and many 'computer' matches between Ali and Tyson have Tyson the only opponent able to knock Ali out cold effectively in the first few rounds where Ali tends to be cocky.

Then you have the other 2 styles: The Puncher and the Stalker.

The Puncher would throw attacking punches like a Fighter but back away like a Boxer. Pacquia is a Puncher and a certain Briggs who went down controversially against Danny Green showed in an earlier match against Adamek what a true Puncher is capable of for the two most Brutal rounds (8-9) as voted by The Ring Magazine.

A Stalker moves forward like a Fighter but throws mostly 'counter-punches' like a Boxer. Kostya Tszuyu was a great example of a Stalker who slowly moved upon his opponent in a defensive fashion and even used the Eastern Bloc jab of holding the glove up in front of the opponents face.

Mundine is the worst example of a Boxer with little character: Always running away and never making a fight of anything ...like the Ginger Bread Man. Very boring stuff that relies upon controversy to gain interest.

Ali & Tyson were like Batman & Robin.
Holmes & Berbick were like the Joker and Riddler.
...I found the story behind these four Pugilists interesting in their interaction with one another.

Ironically the two 'bad' boys in the Ring: Holmes & Berbick enjoyed life out of it, but Ali and Tyson were constantly beaten outside of the Ring. Unlike Ali & Tyson who got on well - Berbick and Holmes came to blows in a carpark as seen on TV.

Good post Jas,


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/650596-brock-lesnar-manny-pacquiao-muhammad-ali-jon-jones-and-todays-fighter-buzz/entry/57827-muhammad-ali-is-ali-vs-mike-tyson-greatest-fight-boxing-fans-never-got-to-see


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Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson were perhaps the two greatest pound-for-pound fighters in boxing history. It is a shame that their careers never overlapped. So, with all of that being said, who would have won between Tyson and Ali? It is nearly impossible to predict a winner. I know it is a cop-out, but both fighters were so different in the ring. They could both pack a punch, but Tyson was an animal, while Ali was full of finesse as well. One was more of a fighter, while the other was a boxer. Ultimately, I'm not going to pick a winner. I would rather hear what all of you have to say. Who would win a fight between Tyson and Ali when both men were in the prime of their career?

Jas, your comments are interesting but anyone who thinks Ali could not take a hit; should watch the last fight between him and Frasier.

Smokin' Joe hit him with the best that he had and knocked him down. Ali claimed it was a slip but it was a knockdown. Ali was up by the count of 4.

The commentators, who were real experts on the craft, said any other man wouldn't have made it past the count, because Frasier tagged him with a punch that should have knocked into orbit.

In the 14th round of that classic fight like Jas said, Ali came home hard in the latter rounds.. He hit Smokin' Joe so hard in the face that his mouth guard went flying into the fifth row of seats.

These two men were courage personified..in the most brutal fight I have ever seen.

Th referee made the right decision to stop Smokin' Joe from coming out...he couldn't see and in the other corner Ali wanted to quit too. It was just that Smokin' Joe was ruled out first.

A draw would have been a fair result.

Red Baron:

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Jas, your comments are interesting but anyone who thinks Ali could not take a hit; should watch the last fight between him and Frasier. Smokin' Joe hit him with the best that he had and knocked him down. Ali claimed it was a slip but it was a knockdown. Ali was up by the count of 4. The commentators, who were real experts on the craft, said any other man wouldn't have made it past the count, because Frasier tagged him with a punch that should have knocked into orbit. In the 14th round of that classic fight like Jas said, Ali came home hard in the latter rounds.. He hit Smokin' Joe so hard in the face that his mouth guard went flying into the fifth row of seats. These two men were courage personified..in the most brutal fight I have ever seen. Th referee made the right decision to stop Smokin' Joe from coming out...he couldn't see and in the other corner Ali wanted to quit too. It was just that Smokin' Joe was ruled out first. A draw would have been a fair result.

See the above here at 25 seconds in.

It's Ali to the canvas:  ( but in their previous fight which Ali lost )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLWYnTFz9PE

Thanks for the great video post.  If you can and haven't already seen it, get the video, 'Thriller in Mainla covers the trilogy of fights. Late change - I said the Jungle Rumble of course it was Manila. Ali won back his title against George Foreman in the Jungle Rumble)_)

It is a great video and a true insight into the mindset of both boxers.

Incidentally, if you haven't seen the movie 'Warriors' with Australia's Joel Edgerton in it, get hold of a copy. I avoided that movie thinking it would be an inferior Rocky look alike. There are comparisons with Rocky but I thought it was class movie making and totally entertaining.

Nick Nolte got an Academy Award nomination for his support role. I think he should have taken out the gong. He was incredible.

Ali, Frazier - they're just rank amateurs compared to these 2 finely-honed athletes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVJNwgFLkuU

red baron wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

Thanks for the great video post.  If you can and haven't already seen it, get the video, 'Thriller in Mainla covers the trilogy of fights. Late change - I said the Jungle Rumble of course it was Manila. Ali won back his title against George Foreman in the Jungle Rumble)_) It is a great video and a true insight into the mindset of both boxers. Incidentally, if you haven't seen the movie 'Warriors' with Australia's Joel Edgerton in it, get hold of a copy. I avoided that movie thinking it would be an inferior Rocky look alike. There are comparisons with Rocky but I thought it was class movie making and totally entertaining. Nick Nolte got an Academy Award nomination for his support role. I think he should have taken out the gong. He was incredible.

Thanks,
All of the famous boxing fights are available on youtube.
I was never into boxing movies like Rocky -
he always came back after 100 king hits. ;D

I think I've seen Warriors.

cheers
Bobby

... wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 4:36pm:

Ali, Frazier - they're just rank amateurs compared to these 2 finely-honed athletes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVJNwgFLkuU

That's a funny video.
What a surprise outcome!

Who would think a boxer and a martial-arts expert will share the same arena .... remember this ...Muhammad Ali Vs. Antonio Inoki




source  mmatko.com/muhammad-ali-vs-antonio-inoki-fight-highlight-video/

can someone please post vid to this fight ...my post count will not allow me, thank you.

Sorry - that video won't open.
Something wrong with the site.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 11:30pm:

Sorry - that video won't open. Something wrong with the site.

Thank-you for trying   :)   

If you google "muhammad-ali-vs-antonio-inoki-fight " it will take you there...it's totally bazaar.

Haven't seen the video but totally remember the fight. The martial arts guy went down on the canvas and kicked Ali's legs for the whole fight. Ali couldn't get in on him to do any real damage. The only damage that got done was to boxing. It was one crazy mish mash!

red baron wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 6:57pm:

Haven't seen the video but totally remember the fight. The martial arts guy went down on the canvas and kicked Ali's legs for the whole fight. Ali couldn't get in on him to do any real damage. The only damage that got done was to boxing. It was one crazy mish mash!

Yes..that's the one, crazy mish mash for sure..

Bobby. wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 8:05pm:

... wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 4:36pm: Ali, Frazier - they're just rank amateurs compared to these 2 finely-honed athletes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVJNwgFLkuU That's a funny video. What a surprise outcome!

Reminds me of how I always wanted to see the coyote catch the road runner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIxIPz4MIAE

yeah i agree

falah wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 8:16pm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIxIPz4MIAE

Great video.
I count 7 punches to the face which all hit
from 6m.36s  to 6m.38s  -  only 2 seconds -
that's more than 3 punches a second!
( The slow-motion after helped to work that out. )
That's incredible boxing skill.
Ali has to have been the greatest.

ex army myself uk...seen better..google lenny mclean.."The Guv"nor"...if you wanna be macho maties...

would give you links but apparently i'm not 18 yet..need 40 posts..

I think

not sure

I might be wrong

Hopefully not so go here when he fought the crizy gypo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJHTVR6FF6o

Ali was the master of 'Character' - and he knew he had to take a 'fight' to the powerful bullying style of Foreman. But that was Ali - to be as unorthodox and unpredictable as possible ...keep your opponent guessing. It was never really about technique. As for Fazier. Ali 'feared' Ernie Shackles the most because of his immense punching power - more powerful than Foreman or Frazier. Ali made it public that he never wanted to fight Ernie again. Ernie made Ali look bad. Even the crowd "Booed" Ali because Ernie was no fool. You could say he was a prototype of Tyson to come. If Ernie had gone past 8 rounds previously and was more technically sound and accurate like Tyson - he would have bombed Ali out in 3 Rounds. As always - Ali drawed the match out its entirety and kept a safe distance as much as possible. It was possibly the one match where Ali looked 'obvious' and not 'The Greatest'.

Tyson was devastating in his early prime. He was poo scared to begin with, but by the time he entered the ring - he just wanted to 'hurt' the opponent. Tyson was a very smart pugilist who studied hard the art of Pugilism and admired many such people like Dempsey, Ali and many more. Tyson put his faith in Boxing. Its well documented that Michael Spinks had the look of absolute fear when Tyson stepped in the Ring as did Larry Holmes who admitted it later. Tyson knew he had to be technically sound due to his size and it should with his devastating 1st round knockouts.
Could Tyson have beaten the likes of Lewis, Klitschko, Buster Douglas, Holyfield ??? If he wasn't hammered and ruined by others outside the Ring after he was left alone to fend for himself. He put his faith in Boxing to save him from crime and got beaten by the crime within Boxing.
Well, yes - except Holyfield ...possibly.
Holyfield was a 'small' Heavyweight like Tyson and not easily intimidated like the bigger guys were. Less vulnerable to that menacing 'upper-cut' that was Tyson's Ace of Spades.
Tyson played upon the 'Aura' of Fear and is still probably the best example of it because in truth he was never like that as a person. He was timid and shy, if not fearful of life itself. He took confidence in what he was taught and could do and used the 'Fear Factor' to to really drive home his ability. Only when he became drug-****ed and corrupted did his 'Fear-mongering' turn into being nothing but a little 'Bully' like Don King.

Klitchko just has a good long Jab like Lewis but Tyson in his prime would have been under and inside those jabs in a second with an upper-cut that 90% of the time was right on its intended mark.

Ali would beat Tyson 2-1. But Only because Ali has the Luxury of 12 Rounds. If it was a 4 round fight of intensity - then it would be Tyson winning 2-1 against Ali. Ali is a counter-puncher and with Tyson - most of the time you can't counter-punch from a canvas.
Ali would fear Tyson's Aura, but Tyson would be confused by Ali's characterising and mental attacks.

Personally though: Pound 4 Pound. Definately Pacquia is probably the true Perfection of Boxing. He is also the perfection of a new age of Boxing - the 'constant punching' effect. Probably first seen by Cazaleghe from the UK who pulverised Roy Jones Jr with a relentless barage of constant punching that although a weaker punch than Jones's  ...Jones Jr was a superb 'attacking' Puncher but poor defence and Cazaleghe showed that up easily and was the first Boxer to 'mock' Jones'es 'EGO' in the Ring. It was, in essence the fight that broke the Jones showboat.
Australia's Daniel 'The Real Deal' Geale is a constant puncher and easily outscored Mundine. I did some fitness at his gym for a short while and Geale was fast and relentless like a machine-gun ...the new age of Boxing = super-fit!!!

Pacquiao to beat Mayweather ...eventually.

About 20 years ago Australia had a world champion kickboxer called Stan the man Longinidis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps5dPmOQegk

I enjoyed that Baron..thats what you call fast!

Being nearly 54 i've seen the best SO far in boxers in my gen,including Ali but I dont rate him..sorry...Larry Holmes is mine I guess...Tyson was a fighter but no boxer...Evander Holyfield would be my next best in  heavies,

Tell us about Holmes, what made him so good?

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 9:51pm:

Ali was the master of 'Character' - and he knew he had to take a 'fight' to the powerful bullying style of Foreman. But that was Ali - to be as unorthodox and unpredictable as possible ...keep your opponent guessing. It was never really about technique. As for Fazier. Ali 'feared' Ernie Shackles the most because of his immense punching power - more powerful than Foreman or Frazier. Ali made it public that he never wanted to fight Ernie again. Ernie made Ali look bad. Even the crowd "Booed" Ali because Ernie was no fool. You could say he was a prototype of Tyson to come. If Ernie had gone past 8 rounds previously and was more technically sound and accurate like Tyson - he would have bombed Ali out in 3 Rounds. As always - Ali drawed the match out its entirety and kept a safe distance as much as possible. It was possibly the one match where Ali looked 'obvious' and not 'The Greatest'. Tyson was devastating in his early prime. He was poo scared to begin with, but by the time he entered the ring - he just wanted to 'hurt' the opponent. Tyson was a very smart pugilist who studied hard the art of Pugilism and admired many such people like Dempsey, Ali and many more. Tyson put his faith in Boxing. Its well documented that Michael Spinks had the look of absolute fear when Tyson stepped in the Ring as did Larry Holmes who admitted it later. Tyson knew he had to be technically sound due to his size and it should with his devastating 1st round knockouts. Could Tyson have beaten the likes of Lewis, Klitschko, Buster Douglas, Holyfield ??? If he wasn't hammered and ruined by others outside the Ring after he was left alone to fend for himself. He put his faith in Boxing to save him from crime and got beaten by the crime within Boxing. Well, yes - except Holyfield ...possibly. Holyfield was a 'small' Heavyweight like Tyson and not easily intimidated like the bigger guys were. Less vulnerable to that menacing 'upper-cut' that was Tyson's Ace of Spades. Tyson played upon the 'Aura' of Fear and is still probably the best example of it because in truth he was never like that as a person. He was timid and shy, if not fearful of life itself. He took confidence in what he was taught and could do and used the 'Fear Factor' to to really drive home his ability. Only when he became drug-****ed and corrupted did his 'Fear-mongering' turn into being nothing but a little 'Bully' like Don King. Klitchko just has a good long Jab like Lewis but Tyson in his prime would have been under and inside those jabs in a second with an upper-cut that 90% of the time was right on its intended mark. Ali would beat Tyson 2-1. But Only because Ali has the Luxury of 12 Rounds. If it was a 4 round fight of intensity - then it would be Tyson winning 2-1 against Ali. Ali is a counter-puncher and with Tyson - most of the time you can't counter-punch from a canvas. Ali would fear Tyson's Aura, but Tyson would be confused by Ali's characterising and mental attacks. Personally though: Pound 4 Pound. Definately Pacquia is probably the true Perfection of Boxing. He is also the perfection of a new age of Boxing - the 'constant punching' effect. Probably first seen by Cazaleghe from the UK who pulverised Roy Jones Jr with a relentless barage of constant punching that although a weaker punch than Jones's  ...Jones Jr was a superb 'attacking' Puncher but poor defence and Cazaleghe showed that up easily and was the first Boxer to 'mock' Jones'es 'EGO' in the Ring. It was, in essence the fight that broke the Jones showboat. Australia's Daniel 'The Real Deal' Geale is a constant puncher and easily outscored Mundine. I did some fitness at his gym for a short while and Geale was fast and relentless like a machine-gun ...the new age of Boxing = super-fit!!! Pacquiao to beat Mayweather ...eventually.

Great read. I love Geale, but he didn't outclass Mundine that night. It was incredibly close, but I had Mundine in front. Cant see Mundine beating Geale again.

I won't tell tou mate but I will give you the links and you make your own mind up,the fact that you're asking me suggests I guess you are younger.In my own mind I thought he was a quicker jabber,could finish a fight earlier(could figure a man out),had the knockout punch and was a very clever boxer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Holmes

Bobby. wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

falah wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 8:16pm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIxIPz4MIAE Great video. I count 7 punches to the face which all hit from 6m.36s  to 6m.38s  -  only 2 seconds - that's more than 3 punches a second! ( The slow-motion after helped to work that out. ) That's incredible boxing skill. Ali has to have been the greatest.

Forget those other guys.
Ali is still the greatest.

Geale 'outpointed' Mundine easily. But it was staged in QLD for a purpose, just like Team Fenech makes his fights mostly in QLD  ;) Remember, one of Mundine's team was looking in on the judges scorecards which is illegal and passing the scores back. He got away with it for obvious reasons like Team Fenech.
Ahh yes - Fenech, now there's a guy who put the cocaine up Shannon Taylors nose for Shane Mosley to wipe clean and end his career.

Green/Tszuyu = Good guys
Fenech/Mundine = Bad guys

By the way - the word N.I.G.G.E.R
was proudly promoted by the people of
Nigeria and N.iger in West Africa.
A region of Africa that INVENTED slavery and introduced it to the Arabs.
...as was the word 'Kaffa' from Kaffaria where caffeine was first used.

Ali was a racist - not the greatest.

Larry Holmes was really good and has the stats to prove it. But he was sooooo boring to watch. Just a mechanical robot that was technically sound.
Berbick had personality and fearlessness but was technically flawed considerably. When Berbick faced Tyson - it was the one rare occassion where Tyson faced someone who wanted to kill him more so. Berbick was insulted by Tyson's presence. Watching Tyson dismantle Berbick was like watching an 'Untouchable' (Beggar) defeat a higher-caste Brahman Indian.

Come on guys,
watch the video again - check the slowmo.
3 face punches per second that all connect.

He was fast, pretty & couldn't be beat.  ;D

red baron wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 9:04am:

It was the time he came for the Logies and Bert Newton floored everyone at the Logies by putting on his Colonel Sanders accent and saying, "I like the boy". A gross insult to a black man. ALI handled it with finesse and style and BERT realising he had stuffed up royally used all of his wit and personality to 'make it up' to ALI. It was a great moment in television.

For the "kids" ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWKyDGGptA4

;D Ha! Never seen that. Agree - Bert managed to flatter Ali respectfully, but I think Ali realised Bert said it with pure 'ignorance' rather than 'spite'. Mind you - I think it saved Ali from his poor attempt at humour that fell flate a few seconds previously. Ahh yes - those 'awkward' moments.
Reminds me of Hey Hey Its Saturday's "Red Faces" with Harry Connick Jr.

...yep - there's a part of America that feels 'free' from it all, just because its all the way 'down under'.

My Top 10 Boxing moments but not in any order:

1. NZ Heavyweight - Jimmy Thunder's 1st Round Knockout (1st Punch landed)  just a few seconds after the opening bell.
2. Sugar-Ray Leonard V Marvellous Marvin Hagler  ...just didn't like Leonards running from Hagler though.
3. Poland's Adamek V NZ's Briggs in rounds 8 & 9 : Pure Brutality !!!
4. Ali V Foreman
5. Ali V Ernie Shackles ...Ali not the Greatest.
6. De la Hoya V Mosley
7. Mike Tyson - his 'prime' fights of early career before being corrupted and ruined.
8. Barry Michael V Lester Ellis
9. Kostya Tzuyu fights ...far more entertaining than the boring bullying style of Fenech
10. Jeff Harding V Dennis Andries ...possibly the best Boxing moment for me was watching Jeff Harding taking 'opportunity' and becoming a Boxing sensation overnight around the world. Even the following two fights were impressive. It was as close to Rocky as Boxing got. Shame about Harding's life 'after' Boxing. Its a 'Hard Life' indeed :(

Bobby. wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Come on guys, watch the video again - check the slowmo. 3 face punches per second that all connect. He was fast, pretty & couldn't be beat.  ;D

yes, saw it, beautiful boxing

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 11:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 1:10pm: Come on guys, watch the video again - check the slowmo. 3 face punches per second that all connect. He was fast, pretty & couldn't be beat.  ;D yes, saw it, beautiful boxing

Thanks Sprint,
Yes it shows supreme skill.
Ali fought guys who could hit harder than him -
guys who dominated the fights -
yet his pure speed & boxing skill won the fights.
He seemed to be able to still defend himself even when on the ropes -
when other boxers would be finished.

bobbythebat - I just watched your video of Foreman and Ali...What a great, great fight. I'd forgotten just how great Ali was with his boxing skills.

Brains over brawn.

red baron wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 9:50am:

bobbythebat - I just watched your video of Foreman and Ali...What a great, great fight. I'd forgotten just how great Ali was with his boxing skills. Brains over brawn.

Yes it is great footage:

Quote:

I count 7 punches to the face which all hit from 6m.36s  to 6m.38s  -  only 2 seconds - that's more than 3 punches a second!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIxIPz4MIAE&feature=player_embedded