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Message started by Yadda on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 10:21am

Title: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Yadda on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 10:21am
UK, young girls [13-15 years old] plied with drugs, then raped,
.....but those men were not REAL moslems.

/sarc off





Quote:

2012-02-21
Grooming Trial: Girls 'Plied With Drugs'

Eleven men have gone on trial accused of sexually exploiting underage girls who had been plied with drugs and alcohol.

The five youngsters - aged between 13 and 15 when the alleged abuse began - were thought to have been "passed around" among a group of men in Rochdale and sometimes subjected to violence.

A jury at Liverpool Crown Court has been told that one of the girls became pregnant at the age of 13 and had to have an abortion.

The court heard another girl "very quickly became regularly and heavily drunk, depressed, incapable of getting herself out of the situation and resigned to what was happening to her".

Prosecutor Rachel Smith said: "She did not always cry or protest or tell the men that she did not want to have sex with them although she often did both.

"But she was persistently coerced or forced into submission by them."

Another girl, who had absconded from a council care home, said she was sexually exploited by large numbers of men and given "substantial amounts of alcohol such that she was severely drunk when she was used for sex".

She said: "They just get you proper hammered so that you can't do anything."

She claimed that she would regularly find herself drunk to near unconsciousness, waking up with men having sex with her.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/grooming-trial-girls-plied-drugs-173826156.html




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IT IS OK TO RAPE NON-MOSLEM WOMEN WITHIN YOUR PHYSICAL CONTROL....

FROM THE KORAN,

"..Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:..."
Koran 4.22-24

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee;..."
Koran 33.50

"women.....whom your right hands possess" ???

Q.
What does that mean ???

A.
war booty, i.e. female captives.

ISLAMIC DOCTRINE;
It is perfectly OK [i.e. 'lawful'] for moslems to have non-consensual sex with non-moslem female captives.



But that is in scenario of captives taken in a war.

Q.
Who is at war ???

A.
Moslems, with all non-moslems.



Statements by moslems, evidence, which supports the proposition that ALL moslems >> consider themselves << to be at war with ALL non-moslems....

As Anjem Choudary - a UK moslem community leader reveals, the UK is 'a land of war', open for Jihad 'operations';


KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4




And ALL non-moslems ['unbelievers'] are treated as 'fair game', in a combative sense, in ISLAM's never-ending warfare against Allah's enemies....

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true


N.B.
"...the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."


'Unbelievers' = = don't even 'rate' as human beings.

To ISLAM, only moslems are human beings.

Google;
unbelievers, are sons of apes and pigs

Google;
Non-Muslims, Worse than Animals





"...A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi



Who, or what, is a harbi ???

Harbi is an Arabic/ISLAMIC word, it means "one under a declaration of war".i
"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123




Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by TrueISLAM on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:14pm
The people who did this disqusting act have gone agains the teaching of The Holy Quran they have commited adultry if married and fronication is unmarried.

These are the people I really dispise they disgust me and dishonour the image of Islam and put a bad name againt Islam. these few bad apples give a bad image to islam and those wahabi salafies as of the link you have provided about that man whos link you have yoused he is a wahabi salafi these people go against the teachings of Quran and sunnah they are extremist. why dont you look at the true islam.


(33:50) O Prophet, We have made lawful for you your wives whose bridal dues you have paid, *87 and the slave-girls you possess from among the prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and maternal aunts who have migrated with you, and a believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet and whom he wants to take in marriage. *88 (O Prophet), this privilege is yours alone to the exclusion of other believers. *89 We know well what restrictions We have imposed upon them as regards their wives and those whom their right hands possess, (and have exempted you from those restrictions) that there may be no constraint upon you. *90 Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.

You are misquoting verses from the holy Quran the meaning of the verse is as follows.


ISLAMIC DOCTRINE
It is NOT lawfull for Muslims to have sex with anyone outside marriage. Strictly FORBIDDEN GRAVE SIN To DO SO, if someone does this then he have gone against the teaching of qurann and is punishable. 

As Muslims the true muslims we value the life of every human being and to kill 1 soul is like you have killed entire human race. So i am againt your lies and propanganda poster.

(9:123) O Believers, fight with these disbelievers who are near you, *121 and they should find you firm and stern: *122 and know that Allah is with the Godfearing. *123
*121 From the apparent wording of this verse, it may be inferred that only those Muslims have at first been held responsible to fight with those enemies of Islam who live near their territory. But if we read this verse along with the succeeding passage, it becomes clear that here "disblievers who are near you refers to those hypocrites who were doing great harm to to Islamic Society by mixing up with the sincere Muslims. This very thing was stated in v. 73 at the beginning of this discourse. The Command has been repeated at its end in order to impress on the Muslims the importance of the matter and to urge them to do Jihad and crush these internal enemies, without paying the Least regard to the racial, family and social relations that had been proving a binding force with them. The only difference between the two Commands is that in v. 73, the Muslims were asked to do Jihad with them, while in this verse stronger words, "fight with them" , have been used, which were meant to impress on them that they should crush the hypocrites thoroughly and completely. Another difference in the wordings is that in v. 73, two different words, "disbelievers and hypocrites", have been used, while in this verse only one word, "disbelievers", has been used so that the hypocrites should forfeit all their claims as Muslims, for there was room for this concession in the word "hypocrite"
*122 This is meant to impress that they should not, in future, show the lenient treatment they had been meting out to them up to that time. This has already been commanded in v. 73: "be firm and stern with them".
*123 This warning has two-fold meanings and both are implied here. First, "If you show any kind of leniency towards them because of your personal or family or economic connections with them, you should know that such a thing shall be against the fear of God', for the fear of God and friendly relations with the enemies of Allah are contradictory things. Therefore, you should give these up, if you desire to obtain Allah's help". Secondly, "You should scrupulously observe the moral and humane limits in doing Jihad, and in fighting with them. For you should always keep yourselves within the prescribed limits in everything. If you transgress these in any way, you should know that Allah will forsake you for He helps only those who are Godfearing.


Meaning of HARBI
Dar al-harb - areas where Muslims are in the minority and are persecuted

Harbi Meaning
A religious conceptualization of the world as belonging either to Muslim or non-Muslim territory, exists within Islam. The idea of religious divisions was first suggested by the early Sunni Muslim jurist Imam Abu Hanifa, founder of the Hanafi school of Islamic jurisprudence.

Why Is it that when a Arabici or Pakistani Man commits a crime of immorality or injustice the general public always blame the crime committers as Muslims did this and that Islam has done this and that.

When a white man or black man commit a crime of human imorallity discust and shame the do not label them by saying a jew or chritian has commited this crime but label it by saying a a bunch of youths thugs or a group of black or white males have done this.

Only when a person has a muslim name and has nothing to do with islam and does not even represent the muslim community puts a bad name to the muslims the media single him out as MUSLIM or ISLAM has done this. not this is INJUSTICE.

Next time why dont the media label every crime commiter by their religion to make it fair name and shame them aswell then wh shall se the response of their religious faith groups if they have any loyalty for their religion.


Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Yadda on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:42pm

TrueISLAM wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:14pm:
The people who did this disqusting act have gone agains the teaching of The Holy Quran they have commited adultry if married and fronication is unmarried.

These are the people I really dispise they disgust me and dishonour the image of Islam and put a bad name againt Islam. these few bad apples give a bad image to islam and those wahabi salafies as of the link you have provided about that man whos link you have yoused he is a wahabi salafi these people go against the teachings of Quran and sunnah they are extremist.



why dont you look at the true islam.



TrueISLAM,

OK, tell us all,  ........WHERE IS IT ???

Where is the exmple in the world, of 'true' ISLAM ???


MY PROPOSITION OF LOGIC IS THIS;

If ISLAM is truly virtuous, if Sharia law is just, and is not 'interpreted' into unjust law by moslem 'impersonators', then where is the example, in the world, where Sharia is applied justly ???

Where is the example in the world, for us unbelievers to be shocked and in awe at the clear and apparent virtue of the ISLAMIC society ???


Answer.

There is not one.





Hey you moslem hypocrite......;

If you want us ['unbelievers'] to respect ISLAM, then point to the virtuous example of ISLAM in a Sharia ordered society in this world.





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When anyone asks a moslem, to point to an example of a good, and just, benevolent Sharia society, a virtuous society based in ISLAMIC law, today, no moslem can point to such an example.

Not in all of the ISLAMIC world, is there even one example of such a society, a virtuous ISLAMIC society.

The reality in the world, is quite opposite.

Because almost all examples of ISLAMIC and Sharia guided societies in the world today, are nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty.




Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Yadda on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:59pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:42pm:

Hey you moslem hypocrite......;


If you want us ['unbelievers'] to respect ISLAM, then point to the virtuous example of ISLAM in a Sharia ordered society in this world.





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When anyone asks a moslem, to point to an example of a good, and just, benevolent Sharia society, a virtuous society based in ISLAMIC law, today, no moslem can point to such an example.

Not in all of the ISLAMIC world, is there even one example of such a society, a virtuous ISLAMIC society.

The reality in the world, is quite opposite.


>> Because almost all examples of ISLAMIC and Sharia guided societies in the world today, are nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty.<<



Even moslems don't want to live in moslem majority nations.

Moslems around the world are flocking to go to live in 'hated' >>> INFIDEL <<< Western nations.

Why ?

Because many moslems >> KNOW << that moslem majority nations.....
".....are nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty."






Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Yadda on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 3:18pm
waiting, waiting,.........the sound of crickets chirping.



Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by falah on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 4:05pm
Uganda is a very religious Christian country. See many refugees heading there?

Saudi Arabia is arguably the most religious Muslim country in the world Yadda. How many Saudi refugees arrived in Australia or any Western country last year?

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by falah on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 4:17pm
The article doesn't say anything about Islam.

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Yadda on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 7:41pm

TrueISLAM wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:14pm:

You are misquoting verses from the holy Quran the meaning of the verse is as follows.


ISLAMIC DOCTRINE
It is NOT lawfull for Muslims to have sex with anyone outside marriage.

Strictly FORBIDDEN GRAVE SIN To DO SO, if someone does this then he have gone against the teaching of qurann and is punishable. 



That is absolute POPPYCOCK [nonsense, rubbish, lies.].





If that is correct [and from the witness of the Hadith, it clearly is not], then why didn't the prophet Mohammed suffer the punishment for adultery and fornication ???

Mohammed, [by the witness of ISLAMIC texts] was an adulterer and a rapist.

The Hadith [i.e. the sunnah of Mohammed] declares that Mohammed and his companions had sex outside marriage, with 'some excellent Arab women', who were taken captive.


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ISLAMIC 'religious' texts openly attest to the fact, that Mohammed was a warlord, a pirate, a mass murderer, a repeated rapist [read the Hadith!].

In our [Western, secular] value system, we would be shocked and outraged by the life of such an individual [Mohammed].

But good moslems, 'worship' Mohammed, his life, and his 'righteous' deeds [in Allah's cause]!

Here is an account of the deeds of ISLAM's 'prophet' , from the Hadith;

Mohammed and his companions went on a raiding party.
'and took captive some excellent Arab women', 'and we desired them',
'for we were suffering from the absence of our wives',
'So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them'  [i.e. have non-consensual sex with their captive 'excellent Arab women']
'(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them.' [i.e. Mohammed's companions intended to sell their captive 'excellent Arab women' back to their menfolk]



Those being the circumstances, Mohammed's companions enquired of Mohammed this;

'what do you think about coitus interruptus?'

[i.e. Mohammed's companions wanted to know if Mohammed approved of coitus interruptus, as a method of contraception.

Because Mohammed's companions feared that if the 'excellent Arab women' became pregnant, then their menfolk may not ransom back their women [n.b. what was foremost upon the minds of Mohammed's companions was MONEY!...

...They were desirous, not to endanger their ransom MONEY! MONEY! MONEY! ] ]

Mohammed replied;
'Do you do that? It is better for you not to do it [coitus interruptus],' because Allah alone would determine if the women would become pregnant.

THIS ACCOUNT [OF NON CONSENSUAL SEX BY MOHAMMED AND HIS COMPANIONS] IS SOURCED FROM ISLAMIC TEXTS - THE HADITH

These ISLAMIC texts [along with the Koran] guide moslems in their daily conduct, in following their faith.

http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/008-smt.php#008.3371
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/muwatta/029-mmt.php#029.29.32.95
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/muwatta/036-mmt.php#036.36.23.24
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/077-sbt.php#008.077.600
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/046-sbt.php#003.046.718
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/059-sbt.php#005.059.459





8888

>> Mohammed's example <<, in the Hadith provides the proof to moslems that moslem men can 'lawfully' have non-consensual sex with female captives....


n.b. THESE WORDS [below] ARE DIRECTLY QUOTED FROM THE HADITH [i.e. the sunnah of Mohammed]


Quote:

"We went out with Allah's Messenger"

"on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women"

"and we desired them"

"for we were suffering from the absence of our wives"

"So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them
"

"Rape your 'war booty', its OK, say ISLAMIC texts"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251760605/0#0


The Hadith verses [cited above] are given, with references, here....

Bikeway rapist gets 25 years in jail
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251431040/8#8


Dictionary;
Sunna = = the traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims.




Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Yadda on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 7:49pm

falah wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 4:17pm:

The article doesn't say anything about Islam.




falah,

Then if these 'non-descript' persons are found guilty,
.....ARE YOU, AS A RIGHTEOUS MOSLEM, WILLING TO CALL FOR THESE MEN TO BE THROWN IN PRISON, AND TO NEVER TO BE RELEASED ?



Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Yadda on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 10:30pm

falah wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 4:05pm:
Uganda is a very religious Christian country. See many refugees heading there?

Saudi Arabia is arguably the most religious Muslim country in the world Yadda. How many Saudi refugees arrived in Australia or any Western country last year?




Google;
people escaping from Saudi Arabia


Google;
Saudi Arabia, sex trade, human trafficking


Arguably.




Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by adamant on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:25am

falah wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 4:17pm:
The article doesn't say anything about Islam.


The men were all from Pakistan that means there is a 97% chance of them being Muslim two were named  Mohammed. A more in depth piece can be found here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2104360/Agony-girl-13-groomed-raped-gang-men.html

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Cofgod on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 4:43am
It doesn't suprise me that the men are all of Pakistani origin.

It's been known for a long time in Britain that Pakistani men often prey on young and often underrage girls and their victims are usually white.

However, our PC PCs usually allow these men to continue with their vile acts because they are scared of getting accused of being "racist."

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by falah on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 9:00am

Yadda wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 7:49pm:
falah,

Then if these 'non-descript' persons are found guilty,
.....ARE YOU, AS A RIGHTEOUS MOSLEM, WILLING TO CALL FOR THESE MEN TO BE THROWN IN PRISON, AND TO NEVER TO BE RELEASED ?


If they were proven to be guilty, then I would expect them to punished in the same manner as anyone else who committed the same crime.

I can show you thousands of articles about men with Christian names raping women.

In Islamic law, the death penalty can be used against rapists.


Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by falah on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 9:01am

Cofgod wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 4:43am:
It doesn't suprise me that the men are all of Pakistani origin.

It's been known for a long time in Britain that Pakistani men often prey on young and often underrage girls and their victims are usually white.

However, our PC PCs usually allow these men to continue with their vile acts because they are scared of getting accused of being "racist."



I can show you thousands of articles about white people raping underage girls, maybe we should be alarmed about white people?

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Yadda on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 11:29am

falah wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 9:01am:

Cofgod wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 4:43am:
It doesn't suprise me that the men are all of Pakistani origin.

It's been known for a long time in Britain that Pakistani men often prey on young and often underrage girls and their victims are usually white.

However, our PC PCs usually allow these men to continue with their vile acts because they are scared of getting accused of being "racist."



I can show you thousands of articles about white people raping underage girls, maybe we should be alarmed about white people?



falah,

Yes, but the point being, is that Western culture criminalises rape and child abuse, and sex with children.

While ISLAMIC culture legitimises rape [of female captives], and child abuse [mercilessly beating children], and sex with children [just marry an 8 year old girl and you can bugger her to your black hearts delight].




>>> ISLAM legitimises the rape of small children, young girls. <<<


Sexual misconduct and abuse is not illegal in a Sharia jurisdiction.

[....but where particular sexual misconduct is illegal, within moslem communities, such sexual misconduct is also considered 'shameful', and therefore it almost always remains hidden [and unreported], to protect a moslem family's 'honour'.]



BUT, BUT......
A moslem man living in a Sharia jurisdiction, can 'LAWFULLY' buy, and marry, and abuse, an 8 year old girl. AND THEREBY 'LEGITIMISE' HIS RAPE OF CHILDREN.





e.g.

This 8 year old Yemeni 'wife' was continually raped by her lawful husband.




April 11, 2008
8-year-old girl seeks divorce in Yemen
.....SANA’A, April 9 - An eight-year-old girl decided last week to go the Sana’a West Court to prosecute her father, who forced her to marry a 30-year-old man......
.......Whenever I wanted to play in the yard he beat me and asked me to go to the bedroom with him. This lasted for two months," added Nasser. "He was too tough with me, and whenever I asked him for mercy, he beat me and slapped me and then used me.


[/quote]
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231993677/36#36
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1315270914/16#16
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1236217597/2#2
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1302177029/3#3




Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Yadda on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 11:37am
>> falah << is a moslem.

falah is clearly proud of the 'righteousness' [rape, murder, corruption, child rape, oppression, tyranny, etc.] which ISLAM enables in the world.

......BECAUSE HE  >>> NEVER, EVER <<< CONDEMNS THE WICKED THINGS WHICH MOSLEMS DO.


And why not ???

Because these depraved crimes of moslems, are 'lawful' to moslems.

ISLAM, 'legitimises' the criminal behaviour of moslems.

And falah, is 'happy' about that.


Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by PigStyPete on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:11pm
Raping stoned young girls is criminal no doubt , but if you tried to warn them , they would say you were jealous .

Young tarts are brainless at times , sadly .

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:25pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 11:29am:

falah wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 9:01am:

Cofgod wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 4:43am:
It doesn't suprise me that the men are all of Pakistani origin.

It's been known for a long time in Britain that Pakistani men often prey on young and often underrage girls and their victims are usually white.

However, our PC PCs usually allow these men to continue with their vile acts because they are scared of getting accused of being "racist."



I can show you thousands of articles about white people raping underage girls, maybe we should be alarmed about white people?



falah,

Yes, but the point being, is that Western culture criminalises rape and child abuse, and sex with children.

While ISLAMIC culture legitimises rape [of female captives], and child abuse [mercilessly beating children], and sex with children [just marry an 8 year old girl and you can bugger her to your black hearts delight].




>>> ISLAM legitimises the rape of small children, young girls. <<<


Sexual misconduct and abuse is not illegal in a Sharia jurisdiction.

[....but where particular sexual misconduct is illegal, within moslem communities, such sexual misconduct is also considered 'shameful', and therefore it almost always remains hidden [and unreported], to protect a moslem family's 'honour'.]



BUT, BUT......
A moslem man living in a Sharia jurisdiction, can 'LAWFULLY' buy, and marry, and abuse, an 8 year old girl. AND THEREBY 'LEGITIMISE' HIS RAPE OF CHILDREN.





e.g.

This 8 year old Yemeni 'wife' was continually raped by her lawful husband.




April 11, 2008
8-year-old girl seeks divorce in Yemen
.....SANA’A, April 9 - An eight-year-old girl decided last week to go the Sana’a West Court to prosecute her father, who forced her to marry a 30-year-old man......
.......Whenever I wanted to play in the yard he beat me and asked me to go to the bedroom with him. This lasted for two months," added Nasser. "He was too tough with me, and whenever I asked him for mercy, he beat me and slapped me and then used me.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231993677/36#36
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1315270914/16#16
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1236217597/2#2
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1302177029/3#3

[/quote]

Call it what they like.
This religion is a haven for pedo's, and nothing more.
Sick maggot.
8 year old wife indeed. >:(

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Yadda on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:27pm

PigStyPete wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:11pm:

Raping stoned young girls is criminal no doubt , but if you tried to warn them , they would say you were jealous .

Young tarts are brainless at times , sadly .



IMO, our nature and our human 'proclivities', are just a 'confirmation' of our 'human condition'.





But [i believe that] we are meant to be wise enough, to eventually come to the realisation, that doing foolish things [i.e. making poor choices], will almost always have bad consequences for us.

Some of us do learn from our past mistaken path(s).

And some of us just keep making the same poor choices, again, and again, and again, imo.







Q.
How can you teach wisdom to a 'naughty', wilful child ?

A.
You can't.



A child who will not, who refuses, to learn from the instruction of a tutor, must be 'let go'.

That wilful child must learn from 'the school of hard knocks'.



Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Doctor Jolly on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:08pm
Western laws are only loosely based on the bible.   In fact many, many laws exceed those recommendations in the bible.

The king james bible is fairly "up to date".  Go back to the 1st testiment and hebrew bibles and they are just as archiac in some of their implied laws.

Hence why we have seperation of church and state.   Thats the issue here, not which church is the best.

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by TrueISLAM on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:17pm
You are a real hypocryte and a lier i have ever heard you have fabricated narations from hadit guve me qutoes and reference no of which hadiths it says that in about the companions and the prophet doing indecencies with other women, this is utterly against islam you are teaching the fale image of Islam you are a radicalised jew zionist, your propaganda is hate agains islam, TRUE ISLAM you want to see it type in google video Highlights of Dawateislami Work Around the World. Dawateislami in pakistan is propagating the true image of Islam these salafi wahabi leaders have tried everything to cause hard to this group but have not succeeded by the grace of God Dawateislamis high religious leaders are being protected by government officials are assasinantion attempts ave beenn made on their life by the wahabis, because the dawateislami is reviving the true image of islam which is peace and love ou go to any dawateislai brother tith a green turban wheter you are a non believer or not they will treat you with utmost respect.

a virtuous society based in ISLAMIC law is sharia law what do you do to criminals who steal murder just lock them up Islam teaches peace and harmony why the sharia law is harsh on criminals so that other people can take heed and not to follow their footsteps, but nowardays sharia law has been put in the hand of hard harted extremists, who have n right to implement it without the sharia court approving of it whereerver in the world.

you talk about oppression what about the cruelty of the jews who have invaded the land of the palestinians and keiling them daily and you remain silent about crimes being commited by the jews who kill unarmed men women and children in palestine who are the murderers then, then you accuse them of crimes which they do inorder to defend their land. why areent the jews murdersers rapists scums who rape young girls as they leave home to go to schools. armored tanks running over innocent people i can go on and on of the attroceties commited by jews and christians theroughout the world.



Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by TrueISLAM on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:18pm
A Mercy to the Worlds
"We have sent you but as a mercy to the worlds." [Al-Qur'an 21:107]


The year is 570 CE, five years after the death of the Roman Emperor Justinian. An army of men, horses and elephants ruthlessly march towards the city of Makkah, intending to wipe it out of existence. This is the army of the Abysinnian warlord Abraha, who after conquering Yemen is now advancing towards the sacred city of Makkah. One of the notables of Makkah, Abdul-Muttalib, has ordered all the women and children to go up into the mountains and take refuge there whilst the men go and fight. However, the men of Makkah are of no match to the deadly Abysinnian lancers who soon crush their resistance on the borders of the city.

Victory seems imminent for Abraha. Yet when the army advances to the fringes of the city, headed by its lead elephant, the creature stops unexpectedly and refuses to go any further towards the direction of Makkah. No amount of budging will make this beast go towards the direction of conquest, yet when the army turn it around, it is more than willing to go back. Suddenly from the distant horizon, a huge flock of birds is seen. Ominously it makes its way to the scene of the battle. In their beaks and claws the birds carry with them stones. Like lightning do they descend upon the confused army of Abraha and pelt them viciously with the stones. The stones start to cut and tear away at the bodies of these aggressors and reduce them to helpless wretches. The army of the tyrant are sent back in humiliation. It is no less than a miracle which has saved this sacred city.

This event was to be remembered by the Arabs as the year of the elephant and was to hold great significance in the balance of power in Arabia. But it was the event which occurred fifty days later in the same year which was not only to be remembered, but would also change the course of history forever. It was on the 12th day of the month of Rabi' al-Awwal, that in the house of Abdul-Muttalib a child was born. It was the child of Amina, the wife of Abdullah, the son of Abdul-Muttalib. This was the child who would change the way of life of all those around him. This was the child who would unite all people under one way. This was the child who would bring the great empires of the world to a standstill.

This child was Muhammad, the last and final messenger of Allah to mankind.

The name Muhammad was given to the child by his grandfather Abdul-Muttalib. The name was one which was known amongst the Arabs at that time but was not common. The literal meaning of Muhammad is 'the praised one', and it is reported that upon being asked why Abdul-Muttalib had named his grandson so, he replied:

    "I did so with the desire that my grandson would be praised by Allah in Heaven and by men on earth." [The History of Islam and the Muslims, Iqbal Mohammed, vol 1 p. 138]

It seems as if the desire of Abdul-Muttalib came true, for it was the name of Muhammad, upon whom be peace, which was to be uttered and praised more times than that of any person in history. In fact it is not only men who praise this remarkable man, but also the Creator of the Heavens and the earth, Allah, and the inhabitants of the heavens, the angels:

    "Allah and His angels bless the Prophet. O you who believe! Bless him and salute him with a worthy salutation." [Al-Qur'an 33:56]

The grandson of Abdul-Muttalib was destined to become the greatest man ever to live.

The early life of Muhammad, peace be upon him, before his prophethood, is unknown to most people. His life is highlighted by his sublime character and noble manners. The world of Muhammad, peace be upon him, was a world of idolatry, a world in which women and slaves had no rights whatsoever, a world in which men would cheat each other for a few dirhams.

However Muharnmed, upon whom be peace, was not like those around him. He was not known to swear or talk in a vile manner, nor was he known to drink or gamble. His honesty surpassed that of all others and he was known with the title of al-Amin (the trustworthy). In fact it was this quality of honesty which attracted so many people to his noble message.

The nature of the Arabs at the time of Muhammad, peace be upon him, was very barbaric and they would fight over the smallest of things, such as one tribes camel grazing on the land of another tribe. This would often result in wars which would last for years and take thousands of lives. In the year 605 CE the Kaabah was accidentally burnt down and a massive reconstruction programme had to be initiated. Many people were involved in it's rebuilding. However, upon its completion, the issue of replacing the black stone in its original place, the south east corner of the Kaabah, arose. Each of the major tribes and clans wanted the honour of placing the black stone in its proper place. Civil war loomed over the Arabian peninsula. It was then suggested by Abu Ummayah al-Mughira, one of the elders of Makkah, that the way to settle this dispute was to let the first person to come through the masjid gate the next morning, decide the fate of the matter. Lo and behold the first man to enter the masjid the next morning was indeed Muhammad. Upon seeing him some of the Arabs exclaimed with joy, "Here is the trustworthy one, we shall agree to his decision - he is Muhammad". Muhammad, peace be upon him, asked for a sheet or a robe to be brought to him and to have the black stone placed in the middle of it. He then asked the elders of each of the major tribes to lift up the sheet from each of the corners. The elders did as they were instructed and took the black stone over to the south east corner. Muhammad, peace be upon him, then took the stone and placed it firmly in its resting place And so it was Muhammad, upon him be peace, who with wisdom and honesty saved the Arabs from self-destruction. [The History of Islam and the Muslims, Iqbal Mohammed, vol 1 pp. 163-166]

Muhammad's early life was wrought with unhappiness as he never saw his father Abdullah who died before he was born. At the age of six his mother, Amina passed away and he was entrusted into the care of his beloved grandfather Abdul-Muttalib. However, at the age of twelve, Abdul-Muttalib also passed away and Abu Talib, the uncle of Muhammad, peace be upon him, took charge of him. With such distress and heartache so early on in life, one would imagine that this boy would grow up to be rebellious and troublesome, as is the case in so many of our societies today. But this was obviously not to be.

It was Abu Talib who then reared and brought him up. Abu Talib was a trader and businessman and he sometimes took his nephew along with him on his trade journeys. It was these trade journeys which eventually formed the alliance between Muhammad and his future wife Khadija, may Allah be pleased with her. Khadija was a wealthy widow from Makkah who was known for her noble character and morals. Soon Muhammad, peace be upon him, was working for Khadija as a manager for her trade caravans. It was his honesty and efficiency which led to Khadija's proposal, and soon after Muhammad had returned from a trade journey to Syria, they were married.

It was in the year 610 CE that the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, received the first revelation. It was the practice of Muhammad, upon whom be peace, that he would often go up to the cave of Hira to meditate and pray to Allah alone. One night during the month of Ramadan while he was meditating, an angel appeared before him. This was the angel Jibril (Gabriel), the very same angel who had brought down revelation to the earlier prophets of Allah such as Jesus and Moses, upon whom both be peace. ln a thundering voice the angel commanded him "Read". "I cannot read", replied Muhammad honestly. The angel grabbed hold of him and squeezed him so hard that Muhammad thought he would die of suffocation. "Read", the angel commanded again. Muhammad's reply was the same. So the angel squeezed him again and again, each time harder than the previous, and Muhammad replied the same, each time thinking that he would die of suffocation. The angel then released him and spoke the words which would be remembered as the first words of the final revelation to mankind:

    "Read! In the name of you Lord who created; Created man from a clinging clot. Read! Your Lord is the Most Generous, Who taught by the pen. Taught man what he did not know." [Al-Qur'an 96:1-5]

This was the start of the revelation from Allah to humanity. It was the final incorruptible message by which mankind would have to live by and worship according to. And it was Muhammad, the son of Abdullah who was chosen to spread this good news.

His Noble Character

It is the character of the Prophet Muhammad which was one of the main reasons for the spread of his noble message. As mentioned before, he never swore and he never spoke vilely about anyone. But after his appointment as a prophet of Allah, he not only observed these excellent qualities for himself, but also ordered all the Muslims to live their lives according to these noble traits. This is why we find that lying and cheating are totally forbidden in Islam, and about lying the Prophet, peace be upon him, said:

    "Lying leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to the fire of hell." [Recorded in Sahih Muslim]

For the Arabs to stop cheating and lying it would mean that the whole of their lives would have to be turned upside down. Cheating and lying during business transactions was a regular practice for the Arabs, and it was from this behaviour that the racist slogan "you cheating Arab!" was derived. Backbiting and slandering one another were totally forbidden and the Prophet was instructed by Allah to inform the people that backbiting another Muslim was like eating:

    " ... the flesh of your dead brother." [Al-Qur'an 49:12]

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by TrueISLAM on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:19pm
Muhammad, peace be upon him, was known to laugh very little, if at all. Rather when he was happy he would express his delight by smiling and he is reported to have said:

    "Too much laughter kills the heart." [Reported by at-Tirmidhi and Ahmad]

Likewise when he was angry, he would not fly off the handle or start a tantrum, but rather the complexion of his face would simply turn red.

The generosity of Muhammad, peace be upon him, was so great that one of his companions, Ibn Abbas described his huge generosity as being like "the blowing wind." [Recorded in Sahih Muslim] To give charity during those days was outdated and those who gave charity were very rare in that troublesome society. But the trends of society were nothing to this man, who simply wished to attain the pleasure of Allah by helping those who were less fortunate then himself. In fact his giving of charity often meant that he had to sacrifice the pleasures of life for himself and his family. His wife Aisha, may Allah be pleased with her, reported that "three consecutive days would not go by without the family of Muhammad not eating their fill." [Recorded in al-Bukhari]

The relationship between Muhammad, peace be upon him, and women has been subject to vicious attack by many western writers. He has been accused of being sexually immoral and depraved by his enemies. Many a feminist has accused him of depriving women of their rights. Yet the reality of this man is unknown to many of these ignorant people. When Muhammad, upon whom be peace, left the cave of Hira, trembling and shaking like a leaf, who was the first person that this alleged male chauvinist turned to? When spreading the message of Islam who was the first person to respond to this so called patriarchal religion? The answer is Khadija, his wife, a woman. It was Khadija who comforted him during these initial days of anxiety. It was Khadija who reassured him of his role by accepting his message. And it was Khadija who gained so much respect and admiration from this remarkable man.

Pre-Islamic Arabia was characterised by the evil crime of burying baby girls alive because they were seen as a shame to the family. Yet it was this man Muhammad who spoke out vehemently against this great social crime. In fact he stated the great blessing and reward of having and rearing female children:

    "Whomsoever brings up two girls upon this religion, then me and him shall be like this in paradise [and he joined his forefinger with his middle finger]." [Recorded in Sahih Muslim]

His conduct with women was not like that of the men today, rather he treated the women as they deserved to be treated. He did not openly parade women about like cattle (for example, in pre-Islamic Arabia women were subjected to intolerable humiliation, and they were often paraded naked during the festivals which were held by the pagan Arabs), as was done before the coming of Islam nor did he seek to please them by showing off his masculinity. Rather he as described as being "more shy than a virgin behind a veil." [Recorded in Sahih Muslim] For a man who achieved so much in his lifetime it would be expected (by corrupt western standards!) that Muhammad would abuse his power with regards to women. Yet we do not find a single instance in his life in which he went out raping and destroying the honour of the women folk who were captured. Rather it was the women of Arabia who came forward in their droves to accept the message of this man, who came to liberate humanity from the oppression of this world. Despite the constant barrage of distortion against Islam, it is a fact that more then 70% of those people who become Muslim in the west, are women.

By the time of his death in the year 632 CE almost the whole of the Arabian peninsula had been conquered. A million square miles lay at his feet. Yet such was the humble nature of this man that he would mend his own shoes, sew his own clothes and milk his own goats. Such behaviour has become awe inspiring for millions of people and has thus led them to the beauty of this religion. As a leader for his people he was a great example of humility and mercy. When his companions walked past his house they could hear him crying in his prayer, so much so that it was like a "boiling pot." [Reported by Abu Dawud] He would continuously pray during the nights to such an extent that his feet would swell up. Upon observing this his wife Aishaasked him, "Why do you pray so much, when your Lord has forgiven your past sins and your future sins?", and the reply from the Prophet, peace be upon him, was:

    "Should I therefore not be a grateful servant of my Lord?" [Recorded in al-Bukhari]

The famous conquest of Makkah is an event which shall be remembered for the justice and mercy which were shown that day. Even though he had the option to punish those who were guilty of oppressing the Muslims, Muhammad, peace be upon him, issued a general amnesty by which many people were forgiven. It was this behaviour which saw the amazing acceptance of Islam by almost the whole population of Makkah literally overnight. How different is this behaviour from that of the non-Muslim conquerors such as the crusaders, who upon the conquest of Jerusalem; raped, looted and burnt their way to success.

With leadership and conquest comes fame but fame did not affect this man whose only aim was to establish the religion of Allah on earth. His position as a messenger of Allah was not exaggerated. His insistence on being a mere mortal like others was firm. And his desire to single out Allah alone for worship was stressed wholeheartedly. It is for this reason that he ordered his followers not to make any pictorial representations or statues of him. Before his death he condemned the "Jews and Christians for taking the graves of their prophets and pious people as places of worship" [Recorded in al-Bukhari]. By implication this made it prohibited for the Muslims to take the grave of Muhammad, upon whom be peace, as a place of worship. For all those who call the Muslims 'Muhammadans', then this is the response which we as worshippers of Allah bring forward. Throughout history leaders of nations, ideologies and empires have often ended up becoming objects of worship. We find statues and pictures of Marx, Lenin, Caesar, Jesus, St Paul, Hitler, Napoleon, Confucius and so many others. Yet despite all the reminders of these people, it is still this man Muhammad, peace be upon him, who has had the most influence upon history, despite the fact that we find no 3-D visual image of him*. This is indeed a mercy from Allah.

The world of the 7th century was a crumbling place. The empires of Rome and Persia were locked in constant battle. The Chinese and Indian civilisations were in moral decline. Christianity, Zoroastrianism and Judaism were all religions which were fast losing momentum. The case of the Arabs was clear to everyone and they were regarded as being at the bottom of this decaying pit. It was among this decadence that Allah sent Muhammad, peace be upon him. He was like the light to this world of ignorance. Like a lamp did he shine in this abyss of darkness. From the confines of Arabia it was his light that would reach the farthest regions of the earth and release the people from their burdens:

    "O Prophet! We have sent you as a witness and a bringer of good news and a warner. And as a summoner to Allah by His Permission, and as a lamp that gives light." [Al-Qur'an 33:45-46]

"Be thankful for small mercies" goes the saying of old. But the mercy which we have been given is far from small. Rather the greatness of this mercy will enable us to live and die upon a way of success and contentment. This mercy is the way of the Prophet Muhammad and through it we, by the will of Allah, will enjoy an everlasting life to come.

    "In the messenger of Allah you have a good example for him who hopes in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much." [Al-Qur'an 33:21]

* This fact has even been attested to by Christians, such as Professor Michael Hart in his book, The 100: The Most Influential Men in History. Despite the fact that Professor Hart casts doubt upon the source of the Prophet's Law, he still cannot help but admit that this man exercised more influence on humanity then anyone else. It is for this reason that he places Muhammad in the No.1 position, even ahead of his Lord Jesus, whom he places 3rd just behind St Paul.

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by TrueISLAM on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:26pm
Prophet Mohammed (saw) and Forbearance [Story of convert to Islam]

Prophet Mohammed (saw) and ForbearanceHistory reveals that Abdullah ibn Salaam was Jewish before he embraced Islam in the time of Prophet Mohammed (saw). After becoming a Muslim, Abdullah ibn Salaam tried to convince Zaid ibn Sa'nah, a Jewish friend, to accept the religion of Islam. Despite Abdullah ibn Salaam's effort in explaining the essence of Islam, Zaid ibn Sa'nah insisted in his faith, Judaism, and he refused to become a Muslim.

Abdullah ibn Salaam narrates that one day he entered Masjid al-Nabi (the Prophet's Mosque in Madinah) where he saw Zaid ibn Sa'nah sitting among Muslims in line for performing prayer. Abdullah ibn Salaam said "being overcome with joy, I approached Zaid ibn Sa'nah to inquire the reason why he accepted Islam." Zaid ibn Sa'nah responded "one day while I was reading the Torah, I reached the verses that explain the attributes of Prophet Mohammed (saw). I paid a close attention to capture his characteristics described in Torah. I said to myself it is better that I sit in Prophet Mohammed's (saw) presence to see if he possesses these attributes, among which there was forbearance. I observed his behaviors and choice of words for several days and I found all the attributes in his personality. There was only one left unseen, forbearance; so I attempted to continue my quest for I read in Torah that, "Mohammed's forbearance and patience supersedes his anger. Although ignorant people treat him with disrespect and bad manner, they will not see anything in return from him except forbearance and patience."

Zaid ibn Sa'nah continued "following my search I went to the Mosque again. I saw a Bedouin Arab man from desert while riding his camel entered the Mosque. He got off his camel when he saw Prophet Mohammed (saw) and said that he was from some tribe who were struck by famine and therefore they were in need of food and sustenance. He said that the people of the tribes were Muslims and they hoped for help from Prophet Mohammed (saw). Prophet Mohammed (saw) turned to Imam Ali (as) and asked, "Is there any money left from the previous savings?" The response was negative and sad for Prophet Mohammed (saw)." Zaid ibn Sa'nah said, "I then interfered and mentioned to Prophet Mohammed (saw), O the Messenger of God, if you wish I would participate in a trade with you. I lend you some amount of money until the time of harvest when I will accept dates for the same amount in return. Prophet Mohammed (saw) received my offer and the trade, accepted the money and gave it to the Bedouin Arab."

Zaid ibn Sa'nah said "I was waiting until a week before the harvest. One day I went to the desert where I found Prophet Mohammed (saw) sitting in the shade of a tree, surrounded by his companions (Sahabah). I approached him impolitely, grab his collar and told him, "I know you well, you take money from people and fall short in return. Do you know there is not much left to our mutually agreed time mentioned in our trade?"

Umar ibn al-KhattabZaid ibn Sa'nah proceeded, "I treated Prophet Mohammed (saw) furiously with great ignorance, although there was still a week left to the harvest. Suddenly I heard an aggressive voice; Umar ibn al-Khattab drew his sword and asked me to leave with a rude call. Prophet Mohammed (saw) prevented him with patience and said to him there was no need for quarrel. Prophet Mohammed (saw) said I should be recommended to maintain forbearance. Then he asked Umar ibn al-Khattab to give me certain amount of special dates. Umar ibn al-Khattab followed the order and added 20 extra units of dates to the original amount. I was curious why he gave me extra dates; Umar ibn al-Khattab said that the extra dates were the result of Prophet Mohammed's (saw) forbearance. Since I suffered from Umar ibn al-Khattab's anger, Prophet Mohammed (saw) ordered him to add 20 extra units to the original amount, so that I would be satisfied.

After seeing such manner and great forbearance and patience, I have fallen in love with Islam and Prophet Mohammed's (saw) behavior. I have embraced Islam by testifying that Allah (SWT) is one and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah (SWT)."

There exist hundred of such examples in the lifestyle of Prophet Mohammed (saw), each is just a drop from the great ocean of his manners to which Almighty Allah (SWT) refers as sublime manners in Noble Qur'an "And most surely you conform (yourself) to sublime morality." (Noble Qur'an, 68:4) Also Noble Qur'an says: "Certainly you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much." (Noble Qur'an, 33:21) Prophet Mohammed (saw) proclaimed, "I have not been sent except to perfect noble character" indeed this is one of underlying reasons why Islam is growing fast.


Prophet Mohammed (saw) and the Youth [Story of convert to Islam]

Prophet Mohammed (saw) and the YouthOne day a youth approached Prophet Mohammed (saw) and with utmost disrespect and discourtesy, said: "O' Prophet of Allah! Do you permit me to commit fornication?"

These words created a great uproar amongst the people and objections could be heard from every nook and corner. Prophet Mohammed (saw), exhibiting sublime ethics and speaking with absolute gentleness, said: "Come near." The youth stepped forward and sat down beside him (saw), whereupon Prophet Mohammed (saw) asked: "Would you like someone to commit the act with your mother?" The youth replied: "May I be made your ransom, never!" Prophet Mohammed (saw) said: "Similarly the (other) people too do not approve of this with respect to their daughters."

Prophet Mohammed (saw) continued: "Tell me: Would you approve of this act for your sister?" Once again the youth denied (and repented having asked the question).

Prophet Mohammed (saw) placed his hands upon the youth's chest and prayed for him, saying: "O' Lord! Purify his heart, forgive his sins and protect him from the pollution of depravity." From then onwards fornication became the worst of the deeds in the eyes of the youth.


Prophet Mohammed (saw): Kindness and forgiveness [Story of convert to Islam]


Prophet Mohammed (saw): Kindness and forgivenessMore than 1400 years ago in Arabia the people were living very much in fear. They feared their neighbors. They feared other tribes. They even feared their idols. For this was the time before Islam. The Arabs were worshipping idols. In their ignorance they would bury their newly born daughters alive. As Islam began to spread among Arabs such cruel practices stopped. Islam taught love and peace. It taught respect, kindness and forgiveness.

Prophet Mohammed (saw) himself was a very kind and loving person. Prophet Mohammed (saw) treated every one, young and old, with respect and kindness, because Prophet Mohammed (saw) was spreading the word of Allah (SWT). And he was changing, for better, the lives of many Arabs and because some Arabs felt that by the teaching of Prophet Mohammed (saw) their old idols were losing power they disliked Prophet Mohammed (saw) and planned to kill him. Every time they tried to kill him, they failed. This angered the enemies of Islam even more. So they began to harass him in every way they knew.

One old woman made a habit of throwing rubbish on Prophet Mohammed (saw) whenever he passed from her house. Prophet Mohammed (saw) had to pass that house daily on the way to the mosque. Even when the old woman threw rubbish on him, he would pass silently without showing any anger or annoyance. This was a regular, daily event.

One day when Prophet Mohammed (saw) was passing by the woman was not there to throw the rubbish. Prophet Mohammed (saw) stopped and asked the neighbor about her well-being. The neighbor informed Prophet Mohammed (saw) that the woman was sick and laying on the bed. Prophet Mohammed (saw) politely asked permission to visit the old woman. When allowed he entered the house, the old woman thought that he had come there to take his revenge when she was unable to defend herself because of her sickness. But Prophet Mohammed (saw) assured her that he had come to her, not to take any revenge, but to see her and to look after her needs, as it was the command of Allah (SWT) that if any one is sick, a Muslim should visit him and should help him if his help is needed.

The old woman was greatly moved by this love and kindness of Prophet Mohammed (saw). By the example of greatness of Prophet Mohammed (saw), she understood that he was truly the Messenger of Allah (SWT) and Islam was the true religion. She accepted Islam at once by reading the Shahadah (La Ilaha Ill Allah Muhammadur Rasool Allah, There is no god only Allah, Muhammad is the Rasool (Messenger) of Allah).

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by TrueISLAM on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:31pm
Prophet Mohammed (saw) and Adi, son of Hatim (Adi ibn Hatim) [Story of convert to Islam]

There is no god only Allah, Muhammad is the Rasool (Messenger) of AllahBefore the advent of Islam, there were in Arabia autonomous tribal chiefs. The people were used to the rule of their chiefs and obeyed them; and often paid them tributes and taxes. The well-known generous Hatim, of the tribe of Tai, was one of the tribal chiefs of Arabia (Yemen). His son, Adi, succeeded him after his death and the tribe submitted to his rule. He was taxing them to the extent of one-fourth of their income every year. His lordship coincided with the advent of Prophet Mohammed (saw). The Tai tribes were idol-worshipers, but himself was a Christian, but kept his beliefs secret from his people. The people, after being acquainted with the liberal teachings of Islam, felt themselves relieved from the burden of their lords who had hitherto imposed their rule upon the people. Owing to this fact, Adi, like other lords used to look upon Islam as the greatest danger for himself; and was harboring enmity against Prophet Mohammed (saw). But the die was cast. People were embracing Islam in increasingly large numbers; and the religion of Allah (SWT) was advancing day by day. He knew that the day was near when the Muslims would come looking for him also, and that would be the end of his lordship. He therefore, instructed his special steward, a slave, to always keep strong and light-footed camels ready near his camp and to remain watchful.

One day the slave came to him and said, "Make whatever arrangements you want to make as the Muslims are very close". Adi mounted his family on the camels and took whatever valuables and luggage he could take, and escaped to Damascus (Syria) where the people were of his religion. But in the confusion, he forgot to take his sister, Saffana with him; and she was left behind.

The Muslims defeated the tribe of Tai in the battle; and some were made captives. Muslims brought Saffana, the sister of Adi ibn Hatim to Medina along with other captives and related the story of Adi ibn Hatim's escapade to Prophet Mohammed (saw).

The prisoners were sheltered in a low walled compound near the Mosque. One day, Prophet Mohammed (saw), while going to the Mosque passed beside the enclosure. Saffana, intelligent and talkative as she was, moved from her place and said:

"My father is dead; my guardian is hiding; be generous to me, Allah will be generous to you".

Prophet Mohammed (saw): "Who is your guardian?"

"Adi, son of Hatim"

"The one who has run away from Allah (SWT) and His Prophet Mohammed (saw)?"

Saying these words Prophet Mohammed (saw) went away, Next day again she repeated the same words, heard the same reply. Her plea produced no result. The third day, having lost her hopes, Saffana decided to keep silent. But a young man walking behind Prophet Mohammed (saw) made signs to her to repeat her demand. She repeated the same words. Prophet Mohammed (saw) said, "Very well, I am waiting for some reliable man from your tribe. As soon as such a man is found I shall send you with him to your tribe. Inform me if you find such a person who has come to Medinah".

Saffana asked the people who was the young man walking behind Prophet Mohammed (saw) who had encouraged her to repeat her demand? They said he was Imam Ali (as).

Prophet Mohammed (saw) and Adi, son of Hatim (Adi ibn Hatim)After some time, Saffana informed Prophet Mohammed (saw) that some men of her tribe had come to Medinah. Prophet Mohammed (saw) gave her a new dress, some cash for meeting the expense of the journey and a camel to ride on. She went along with them to her brother, Adi ibn Hatim in Damascus (Syria).

When Saffana saw her brother, she reproached him and said, "You brought out your wife and children forgot me the memory of your father!" Adi ibn Hatim apologized to her. Then, as she was an intelligent woman, Adi ibn Hatim consulted her about his plan. He asked: "What do you advise me to do, since you have seen Prophet Mohammed (saw) from near? Should I join him or keep aloof from him?"

"I believe you should join him. If he is a Prophet of Allah (SWT) it will be a credit to your honor and nobleness. And if he is not a Prophet, and only wants to be a worldly ruler, then in a place (Medinah) which is not far from Yemen (your place), nobody will dare to dishonor you, because of the honor and respect you have among the people of Yemen. Either way, your honor is guaranteed".

The idea appealed to Adi ibn Hatim. He decided to go Medinah and to observe Prophet Mohammed's (saw) manners minutely. If he was a Prophet, he would follow him like other Muslims. But in case he was only a man with worldly ambitions of power and pelf, then he would cooperate with him to the extent of the common benefits of both.

He entered the Mosque of Medinah and saluted to Prophet Mohammed (saw). Prophet Mohammed (saw) accorded him due respect and took him to his house.

On their way a haggard woman caught hold of the garment of Prophet Mohammed (saw) and entered into a discussion with him. A long time passed; and Prophet Mohammed (saw) answered all her questions with kindness and patience.

Adi ibn Hatim said to himself, "This is the one sign from the character of this man that he is a Prophet. People having worldly ambitions do not have such a disposition and temperament of replying to a poor old woman with so much patience and kindness."

When they entered the house Adi ibn Hatim found his life most simple and unpretentious. There was only a quilt, which Prophet Mohammed (saw) used to sit upon, but now he spread it for Adi ibn Hatim to sit. Adi ibn Hatim insisted that Prophet Mohammed (saw) should sit upon the quilt; but he flatly refused. Ultimately, Adi ibn Hatim sat upon the quilt and Prophet Mohammed (saw) sat on the ground. Adi ibn Hatim said to himself, "This is the second sign of the character of this man, This is the character of the Prophets."

Prophet Mohammed (saw) turned to him and said, "But was not your religion Christianity?" Adi ibn Hatim said, "Yes, why?" Prophet Mohammed (saw) said, "Then why, and on what grounds, were you taking one-fourth of the income of your people? Is it not inadmissible in your religion?"

La Ilaha Ill Allah Muhammadur Rasool AllahAdi ibn Hatim, who had kept his religion secret even from his closest relatives, was surprised to hear it from Prophet Mohammed (saw). He said to himself, "this is the third sign that this man is a Prophet".

Then Prophet Mohammed (saw) said: "You are looking at the present poverty and helplessness of the Muslims. You find that the Muslims today are living in distress. They are surrounded by crowds of enemies and have no security of their lives and properties. They have no power in their hands. By Allah (SWT), the time is not far when such a vast wealth will come to them that there will be no poor among them. By Allah (SWT), their enemies will be vanquished and there will exist such a perfect peace and order that a woman shall be able to travel from Iraq to Hijaz alone and nobody will trouble her. By Allah (SWT), the time is near when the white palaces of Babylonia will come under the hands of the Muslims".

Adi ibn Hatim embraced Islam (converts to Islam) with perfect Faith and Sincerity and remained faithful to the end of his life. He lived upon the years after Prophet Mohammed (saw). He always remembered the talks of Holy Prophet Mohammed (saw) in his first meeting with him, and the forecasts at that time, about the future of Muslims. He used to say, "By Allah (SWT), in my life-time I saw Muslim conquering the white palaces of Babylonia, and there is such a peace and order that a woman can travel from Iraq to Hijaz without anybody troubling her. By Allah (SWT), I am sure a day will come when there will be no poor among the Muslims".

(La Ilaha Ill Allah Muhammadur Rasool Allah, There is no god only Allah, Muhammad is the Rasool (Messenger) of Allah). These are the words that a person says to enter the fold of Islam. Shahadah, or declaration of faith, is a covenant that the person makes with Allah (SWT): that he/she will continue to obey Allah (SWT), and walk in the footsteps of our Prophet Mohammed (saw). It is the first step to complete obedience to the Lord of all.

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by TrueISLAM on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:41pm


Was Ayesha A Six-Year-Old Bride?


The Ancient Myth Exposed

by T.O. Shanavas
A Christian friend asked me once, “Will you marry your seven year old daughter to a fifty year old man?” I kept my silence. He continued, “If you would not, how can you approve the marriage of an innocent seven year old, Ayesha, with your Prophet?” I told him, “I don’t have an answer to your question at this time.” My friend smiled and left me with a thorn in the heart of my faith. Most Muslims answer that such marriages were accepted in those days. Otherwise, people would have objected to Prophet’s marriage with Ayesha.

However, such an explanation would be gullible only for those who are naive enough to believe it. But unfortunately, I was not satisfied with the answer.

The Prophet was an exemplary man. All his actions were most virtuous so that we, Muslims, can emulate them. However, most people in our Islamic Center of Toledo, including me, would not think of betrothing our seven years daughter to a fifty-two year-old man. If a parent agrees to such a wedding, most people, if not all, would look down upon the father and the old husband.

In 1923, registrars of marriage in Egypt were instructed not to register and issue official certificates of marriage for brides less than sixteen and grooms less than eighteen years of age. Eight years later, the Law of the Organization and Procedure of Sheriah courts of 1931 consolidated the above provision by not hearing the marriage disputes involving brides less than sixteen and grooms less than eighteen years old. (Women in Muslim Family Law, John Esposito, 1982). It shows that even in the Muslim majority country of Egypt the child marriages are unacceptable.

So, I believed, without solid evidence other than my reverence to my Prophet, that the stories of the marriage of seven-year-old Ayesha to 50-year-old Prophet are only myths. However, my long pursuit in search of the truth on this matter proved my intuition correct. My Prophet was a gentleman. And he did not marry an innocent seven or nine year old girl. The age of Ayesha has been erroneously reported in the hadith literature. Furthermore, I think that the narratives reporting this event are highly unreliable. Some of the hadith (traditions of the Prophet) regarding Ayesha’s age at the time of her wedding with prophet are problematic. I present the following evidences against the acceptance of the fictitious story by Hisham ibn ‘Urwah and to clear the name of my Prophet as an irresponsible old man preying on an innocent little girl.

EVIDENCE #1: Reliability of Source

Most of the narratives printed in the books of hadith are reported only by Hisham ibn `Urwah, who was reporting on the authority of his father. First of all, more people than just one, two or three should logically have reported. It is strange that no one from Medina, where Hisham ibn `Urwah lived the first 71 years of his life narrated the event, despite the fact that his Medinan pupils included the well-respected Malik ibn Anas. The origins of the report of the narratives of this event are people from Iraq, where Hisham is reported to have shifted after living in Medina for most of his life.

Tehzibu’l-Tehzib, one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet, reports that according to Yaqub ibn Shaibah: “He [Hisham] is highly reliable, his narratives are acceptable, except what he narrated after moving over to Iraq” (Tehzi’bu’l-tehzi’b, Ibn Hajar Al-`asqala’ni, Dar Ihya al-turath al-Islami, 15th century. Vol 11, p. 50).

It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reported through people in Iraq: “I have been told that Malik objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reported through people of Iraq” (Tehzi’b u’l-tehzi’b, Ibn Hajar Al-`asqala’ni, Dar Ihya al-turath al-Islami, Vol.11, p. 50).

Mizanu’l-ai`tidal, another book on the life sketches of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet reports: “When he was old, Hisham’s memory suffered quite badly” (Mizanu’l-ai`tidal, Al-Zahbi, Al-Maktabatu’l-athriyyah, Sheikhupura, Pakistan, Vol. 4, p. 301).

CONCLUSION: Based on these references, Hisham’s memory was failing and his narratives while in Iraq were unreliable. So, his narrative of Ayesha’s marriage and age are unreliable.

CHRONOLOGY: It is vital also to keep in mind some of the pertinent dates in the history of Islam:

    pre-610 CE: Jahiliya (pre-Islamic age) before revelation
    610 CE: First revelation
    610 CE: AbuBakr accepts Islam
    613 CE: Prophet Muhammad begins preaching publicly.
    615 CE: Emigration to Abyssinia
    616 CE: Umar bin al Khattab accepts Islam
    620 CE: Generally accepted betrothal of Ayesha to the Prophet
    622 CE: Hijrah (emigation to Yathrib, later renamed Medina)
    623/624 CE: Generally accepted year of Ayesha living with the Prophet

EVIDENCE #2: The Betrothal

According to Tabari (also according to Hisham ibn ‘Urwah, Ibn Hunbal and Ibn Sad), Ayesha was betrothed at seven years of age and began to cohabit with the Prophet at the age of nine years.

However, in another work, Al-Tabari says: “All four of his [Abu Bakr’s] children were born of his two wives during the pre-Islamic period” (Tarikhu’l-umam wa’l-mamlu’k, Al-Tabari (died 922), Vol. 4, p. 50, Arabic, Dara’l-fikr, Beirut, 1979).

If Ayesha was betrothed in 620 CE (at the age of seven) and started to live with the Prophet in 624 CE (at the age of nine), that would indicate that she was born in 613 CE and was nine when she began living with the Prophet. Therefore, based on one account of Al-Tabari, the numbers show that Ayesha must have born in 613 CE, three years after the beginning of revelation (610 CE). Tabari also states that Ayesha was born in the pre-Islamic era (in Jahiliya). If she was born before 610 CE, she would have been at least 14 years old when she began living with the Prophet. Essentially, Tabari contradicts himself.

CONCLUSION: Al-Tabari is unreliable in the matter of determining Ayesha’s age.

EVIDENCE # 3: The Age of Ayesha in Relation to the Age of Fatima

According to Ibn Hajar, “Fatima was born at the time the Ka`bah was rebuilt, when the Prophet was 35 years old... she was five years older that Ayesha” (Al-isabah fi tamyizi’l-sahabah, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Vol. 4, p. 377, Maktabatu’l-Riyadh al-haditha, al-Riyadh, 1978).

If Ibn Hajar’s statement is factual, Ayesha was born when the Prophet was 40 years old. If Ayesha was married to the Prophet when he was 52 years old, Ayesha’s age at marriage would be 12 years.

CONCLUSION: Ibn Hajar, Tabari an Ibn Hisham and Ibn Humbal contradict each other. So, the marriage of Ayesha at seven years of age is a myth.

EVIDENCE #4: Ayesha’s Age in relation to Asma’s Age

According to Abda’l-Rahman ibn abi zanna’d: “Asma was 10 years older than Ayesha (Siyar A`la’ma’l-nubala’, Al-Zahabi, Vol. 2, p. 289, Arabic, Mu’assasatu’l-risalah, Beirut, 1992).

According to Ibn Kathir: “She [Asma] was elder to her sister [Ayesha] by 10 years” (Al-Bidayah wa’l-nihayah, Ibn Kathir, Vol. 8, p. 371, Dar al-fikr al-`arabi, Al-jizah, 1933).

According to Ibn Kathir: “She [Asma] saw the killing of her son during that year [73 AH], as we have already mentioned, and five days later she herself died. According to other narratives, she died not after five days but 10 or 20, or a few days over 20, or 100 days later. The most well known narrative is that of 100 days later. At the time of her death, she was 100 years old.” (Al-Bidayah wa’l-nihayah, Ibn Kathir, Vol. 8, p. 372, Dar al-fikr al-`arabi, Al-jizah, 1933)

According to Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani: “She [Asma] lived a hundred years and died in 73 or 74 AH.” (Taqribu’l-tehzib, Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani, p. 654, Arabic, Bab fi’l-nisa’, al-harfu’l-alif, Lucknow).

According to almost all the historians, Asma, the elder sister of Ayesha was 10 years older than Ayesha. If Asma was 100 years old in 73 AH, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of the hijrah.

If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha should have been 17 or 18 years old. Thus, Ayesha, being 17 or 18 years of at the time of Hijra, she started to cohabit with the Prophet between at either 19 to 20 years of age.

Based on Hajar, Ibn Katir, and Abda’l-Rahman ibn abi zanna’d, Ayesha’s age at the time she began living with the Prophet would be 19 or 20. In Evidence # 3, Ibn Hajar suggests that Ayesha was 12 years old and in Evidence #4 he contradicts himself with a 17 or 18-year-old Ayesha. What is the correct age, twelve or eighteen?

CONCLUSION: Ibn Hajar is an unreliable source for Ayesha’s age.

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by TrueISLAM on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:42pm
EVIDENCE #5: The Battles of Badr and Uhud

A narrative regarding Ayesha’s participation in Badr is given in the hadith of Muslim, (Kitabu’l-jihad wa’l-siyar, Bab karahiyati’l-isti`anah fi’l-ghazwi bikafir). Ayesha, while narrating the journey to Badr and one of the important events that took place in that journey, says: “when we reached Shajarah”. Obviously, Ayesha was with the group travelling towards Badr. A narrative regarding Ayesha’s participation in the Battle of Uhud is given in Bukhari (Kitabu’l-jihad wa’l-siyar, Bab Ghazwi’l-nisa’ wa qitalihinna ma`a’lrijal): “Anas reports that on the day of Uhud, people could not stand their ground around the Prophet. [On that day,] I saw Ayesha and Umm-i-Sulaim, they had pulled their dress up from their feet [to avoid any hindrance in their movement].” Again, this indicates that Ayesha was present in the Battles of Uhud and Badr.

It is narrated in Bukhari (Kitabu’l-maghazi, Bab Ghazwati’l-khandaq wa hiya’l-ahza’b): “Ibn `Umar states that the Prophet did not permit me to participate in Uhud, as at that time, I was 14 years old. But on the day of Khandaq, when I was 15 years old, the Prophet permitted my participation.”

Based on the above narratives, (a) the children below 15 years were sent back and were not allowed to participate in the Battle of Uhud, and (b) Ayesha participated in the Battles of Badr and Uhud

CONCLUSION: Ayesha’s participation in the Battles of Badr and Uhud clearly indicates that she was not nine years old but at least 15 years old. After all, women used to accompany men to the battlefields to help them, not to be a burden on them. This account is another contradiction regarding Ayesha’s age.

EVIDENCE #6: Surat al-Qamar (The Moon)

According to the generally accepted tradition, Ayesha was born about eight years before hijrah. But according to another narrative in Bukhari, Ayesha is reported to have said: “I was a young girl (jariyah in Arabic)” when Surah Al-Qamar was revealed (Sahih Bukhari, kitabu’l-tafsir, Bab Qaulihi Bal al-sa`atu Maw`iduhum wa’l-sa`atu adha’ wa amarr).

Chapter 54 of the Quran was revealed eight years before hijrah (The Bounteous Koran, M.M. Khatib, 1985), indicating that it was revealed in 614 CE. If Ayesha started living with the Prophet at the age of nine in 623 CE or 624 CE, she was a newborn infant (sibyah in Arabic) at the time that Surah Al-Qamar (The Moon) was revealed. According to the above tradition, Ayesha was actually a young girl, not an infant in the year of revelation of Al-Qamar. Jariyah means young playful girl (Lane’s Arabic English Lexicon). So, Ayesha, being a jariyah not a sibyah (infant), must be somewhere between 6-13 years old at the time of revelation of Al-Qamar, and therefore must have been 14-21 years at the time she married the Prophet.

CONCLUSION: This tradition also contradicts the marriage of Ayesha at the age of nine.

EVIDENCE #7: Arabic Terminology

According to a narrative reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, after the death of the Prophet’s first wife Khadijah, when Khaulah came to the Prophet advising him to marry again, the Prophet asked her regarding the choices she had in mind. Khaulah said: “You can marry a virgin (bikr) or a woman who has already been married (thayyib)”. When the Prophet asked the identity of the bikr (virgin), Khaulah mentioned Ayesha’s name.

All those who know the Arabic language are aware that the word bikr in the Arabic language is not used for an immature nine-year-old girl. The correct word for a young playful girl, as stated earlier, is jariyah. Bikr on the other hand, is used for an unmarried lady without conjugal experience prior to marriage, as we understand the word “virgin” in English. Therefore, obviously a nine-year-old girl is not a “lady” (bikr) (Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Vol. 6, p. .210, Arabic, Dar Ihya al-turath al-`arabi, Beirut).

CONCLUSION: The literal meaning of the word, bikr (virgin), in the above hadith is “adult woman with no sexual experience prior to marriage.” Therefore, Ayesha was an adult woman at the time of her marriage.

EVIDENCE #8. The Qur’anic Text

All Muslims agree that the Quran is the book of guidance. So, we need to seek the guidance from the Quran to clear the smoke and confusion created by the eminent men of the classical period of Islam in the matter of Ayesha’s age at her marriage. Does the Quran allow or disallow marriage of an immature child of seven years of age?

There are no verses that explicitly allow such marriage. There is a verse, however, that guides Muslims in their duty to raise an orphaned child. The Quran’s guidance on the topic of raising orphans is also valid in the case of our own children. The verse states: “And make not over your property (property of the orphan), which Allah had made a (means of) support for you, to the weak of understanding, and maintain them out of it, clothe them and give them good education. And test them until they reach the age of marriage. Then if you find them maturity of intellect, make over them their property...” (Quran, 4:5-6).

In the matter of children who have lost a parent, a Muslim is ordered to (a) feed them, (b) clothe them, (c) educate them, and (d) test them for maturity “until the age of marriage” before entrusting them with management of finances.

Here the Quranic verse demands meticulous proof of their intellectual and physical maturity by objective test results before the age of marriage in order to entrust their property to them.

In light of the above verses, no responsible Muslim would hand over financial management to a seven- or nine-year-old immature girl. If we cannot trust a seven-year-old to manage financial matters, she cannot be intellectually or physically fit for marriage. Ibn Hambal (Musnad Ahmad ibn Hambal, vol.6, p. 33 and 99) claims that nine-year-old Ayesha was rather more interested in playing with toy-horses than taking up the responsible task of a wife. It is difficult to believe, therefore, that AbuBakr, a great believer among Muslims, would betroth his immature seven-year-old daughter to the 50-year-old Prophet. Equally difficult to imagine is that the Prophet would marry an immature seven-year-old girl.

Another important duty demanded from the guardian of a child is to educate them. Let us ask the question, “How many of us believe that we can educate our children satisfactorily before they reach the age of seven or nine years?” The answer is none. Logically, it is an impossible task to educate a child satisfactorily before the child attains the age of seven. Then, how can we believe that Ayesha was educated satisfactorily at the claimed age of seven at the time of her marriage?

AbuBakr was a more judicious man than all of us. So, he definitely would have judged that Ayesha was a child at heart and was not satisfactorily educated as demanded by the Quran. He would not have married her to anyone. If a proposal of marrying the immature and yet to be educated seven-year-old Ayesha came to the Prophet, he would have rejected it outright because neither the Prophet nor AbuBakr would violate any clause in the Quran.

CONCLUSION: The marriage of Ayesha at the age of seven years would violate the maturity clause or requirement of the Quran. Therefore, the story of the marriage of the seven-year-old immature Ayesha is a myth.

EVIDENCE #9: Consent in Marriage

A women must be consulted and must agree in order to make a marriage valid (Mishakat al Masabiah, translation by James Robson, Vol. I, p. 665). Islamically, credible permission from women is a prerequisite for a marriage to be valid.

By any stretch of the imagination, the permission given by an immature seven-year-old girl cannot be valid authorization for marriage.

It is inconceivable that AbuBakr, an intelligent man, would take seriously the permission of a seven-year-old girl to marry a 50-year-old man.

Similarly, the Prophet would not have accepted the permission given by a girl who, according to the hadith of Muslim, took her toys with her when she went live with Prophet.

CONCLUSION: The Prophet did not marry a seven-year-old Ayesha because it would have violated the requirement of the valid permission clause of the Islamic Marriage Decree. Therefore, the Prophet married an intellectually and physically mature lady Ayesha.

SUMMARY:

It was neither an Arab tradition to give away girls in marriage at an age as young as seven or nine years, nor did the Prophet marry Ayesha at such a young age. The people of Arabia did not object to this marriage because it never happened in the manner it has been narrated.

Obviously, the narrative of the marriage of nine-year-old Ayesha by Hisham ibn `Urwah cannot be held true when it is contradicted by many other reported narratives. Moreover, there is absolutely no reason to accept the narrative of Hisham ibn `Urwah as true when other scholars, including Malik ibn Anas, view his narrative while in Iraq, as unreliable. The quotations from Tabari, Bukhari and Muslim show they contradict each other regarding Ayesha’s age. Furthermore, many of these scholars contradict themselves in their own records. Thus, the narrative of Ayesha’s age at the time of the marriage is not reliable due to the clear contradictions seen in the works of classical scholars of Islam.

Therefore, there is absolutely no reason to believe that the information on Ayesha’s age is accepted as true when there are adequate grounds to reject it as myth. Moreover, the Quran rejects the marriage of immature girls and boys as well as entrusting them with responsibilities.

T.O. Shanavas is a physician based in Michigan. This article first appeared in The Minaret in March 1999.

© 2001 Minaret

Extracted 09/06/02 from The Minaret



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Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Yadda on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:54pm
TrueISLAM,

You hateful, hateful person.








TrueISLAM wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:17pm:

You are a real hypocryte and a lier i have ever heard you have fabricated narations from hadit guve me qutoes and reference no of which hadiths it says that in about the companions and the prophet doing indecencies with other women, this is utterly against islam you are teaching the fale image of Islam you are a radicalised jew zionist, your propaganda is hate agains islam,


= = More moslem lies.





AGAIN.....
Here is an account of the deeds of ISLAM's 'prophet' , from the Hadith;

Mohammed and his companions went on a raiding party.
'and took captive some excellent Arab women', 'and we desired them',
'for we were suffering from the absence of our wives',
'So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them'  [i.e. have non-consensual sex with their captive 'excellent Arab women']
'(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them.' [i.e. Mohammed's companions intended to sell their captive 'excellent Arab women' back to their menfolk]



Those being the circumstances, Mohammed's companions enquired of Mohammed this;

'what do you think about coitus interruptus?'

[i.e. Mohammed's companions wanted to know if Mohammed approved of coitus interruptus, as a method of contraception.

Because Mohammed's companions feared that if the 'excellent Arab women' became pregnant, then their menfolk may not ransom back their women [n.b. what was foremost upon the minds of Mohammed's companions was MONEY!...

...They were desirous, not to endanger their ransom MONEY! MONEY! MONEY! ] ]

Mohammed replied;
'Do you do that? It is better for you not to do it [coitus interruptus],' because Allah alone would determine if the women would become pregnant.

THIS ACCOUNT [OF NON CONSENSUAL SEX BY MOHAMMED AND HIS COMPANIONS] IS SOURCED FROM ISLAMIC TEXTS - THE HADITH

These ISLAMIC texts [along with the Koran] guide moslems in their daily conduct, in following their faith.

http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/008-smt.php#008.3371
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/muwatta/029-mmt.php#029.29.32.95
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/muwatta/036-mmt.php#036.36.23.24
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/077-sbt.php#008.077.600
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/046-sbt.php#003.046.718
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/059-sbt.php#005.059.459



Those links [immediately above] are to authorised ISLAMIC Hadith texts.

I didn't authorise those ISLAMIC Hadith texts.

The MSA, the Moslem Students Association of America, authorised those ISLAMIC Hadith texts.
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TrueISLAM wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:17pm:

TRUE ISLAM you want to see it type in google video Highlights of Dawateislami Work Around the World. Dawateislami in pakistan is propagating the true image of Islam these salafi wahabi leaders have tried everything to cause hard to this group but have not succeeded by the grace of God Dawateislamis high religious leaders are being protected by government officials are assasinantion attempts ave beenn made on their life by the wahabis, because the dawateislami is reviving the true image of islam which is peace and love ou go to any dawateislai brother tith a green turban wheter you are a non believer or not they will treat you with utmost respect.


= = Moslems murdering moslems.

= = The fruit of 'the peace of ISLAM'.

= = The fruit of ISLAM, is violence, corruption, AND DEAD BODIES.




And as per usual, moslems blame everyone else, for the consequences of the choices of,  ........moslems.

And as per usual, moslems REFUSE to accept responsibility, THEMSELVES, for the consequences of their own choices.
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TrueISLAM wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:17pm:

a virtuous society based in ISLAMIC law is sharia law what do you do to criminals who steal murder just lock them up Islam teaches peace and harmony why the sharia law is harsh on criminals so that other people can take heed and not to follow their footsteps, but nowardays sharia law has been put in the hand of hard harted extremists, who have n right to implement it without the sharia court approving of it whereerver in the world.



= = Moslems murdering moslems.

= = The fruit of 'the peace of ISLAM'.




The truth is that ISLAM produces oppression, corruption, and dead bodies.

Proof ???

Look at any Sharia jurisdiction in this world.

Those societies are ALL, nests of oppression, corruption and human poverty.






ISLAM = =  a curse upon mankind, from God, the God of Israel.
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TrueISLAM wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:17pm:

you talk about oppression what about the cruelty of the jews who have invaded the land of the palestinians and keiling them daily and you remain silent about crimes being commited by the jews who kill unarmed men women and children in palestine who are the murderers then, then you accuse them of crimes which they do inorder to defend their land. why areent the jews murdersers rapists scums who rape young girls as they leave home to go to schools. armored tanks running over innocent people i can go on and on of the attroceties commited by jews and christians theroughout the world.



= = More moslem slander and lies, against the Jewish people.

= = More moslem projection and lies, against the Jewish people.



GOD BLESS ISRAEL, AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE.





'projection' = = blaming others, projecting the blame onto other, innocent parties, for the consequences of our own wicked choices and actions.



Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Yadda on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 3:15pm
For brevity, i am addressing just ONE of your deceptive, and false, 'EVIDENCES'.

The point of requiring consent of a woman in marriage.....




TrueISLAM wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:42pm:

EVIDENCE #9: Consent in Marriage


A women must be consulted and must agree in order to make a marriage valid (Mishakat al Masabiah, translation by James Robson, Vol. I, p. 665). Islamically, credible permission from women is a prerequisite for a marriage to be valid.

By any stretch of the imagination, the permission given by an immature seven-year-old girl cannot be valid authorization for marriage.

It is inconceivable that AbuBakr, an intelligent man, would take seriously the permission of a seven-year-old girl to marry a 50-year-old man.

Similarly, the Prophet would not have accepted the permission given by a girl who, according to the hadith of Muslim, took her toys with her when she went live with Prophet.

CONCLUSION: The Prophet did not marry a seven-year-old Ayesha because it would have violated the requirement of the valid permission clause of the Islamic Marriage Decree. Therefore, the Prophet married an intellectually and physically mature lady Ayesha.

SUMMARY:




It was neither an Arab tradition to give away girls in marriage at an age as young as seven or nine years, nor did the Prophet marry Ayesha at such a young age. The people of Arabia did not object to this marriage because it never happened in the manner it has been narrated.





Obviously, the narrative of the marriage of nine-year-old Ayesha by Hisham ibn `Urwah cannot be held true when it is contradicted by many other reported narratives. Moreover, there is absolutely no reason to accept the narrative of Hisham ibn `Urwah as true when other scholars, including Malik ibn Anas, view his narrative while in Iraq, as unreliable. The quotations from Tabari, Bukhari and Muslim show they contradict each other regarding Ayesha’s age. Furthermore, many of these scholars contradict themselves in their own records. Thus, the narrative of Ayesha’s age at the time of the marriage is not reliable due to the clear contradictions seen in the works of classical scholars of Islam.

Therefore, there is absolutely no reason to believe that the information on Ayesha’s age is accepted as true when there are adequate grounds to reject it as myth. Moreover, the Quran rejects the marriage of immature girls and boys as well as entrusting them with responsibilities.

T.O. Shanavas is a physician based in Michigan. This article first appeared in The Minaret in March 1999.

© 2001 Minaret

Extracted 09/06/02 from The Minaret



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THE ISLAMIC SOURCES IN MY EVIDENCE.......




Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:

"Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."





The Prophet Muhhamad asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."
Bukhari 7.62.18



The record does NOT show that Aisha gave her own informed consent, in her being joined with Mohammed.



I guess that Aisha signalled her consent, by her silence ???

Google;
mohammed silence is consent



As is revealed in the Hadith....

"Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #007.062.067


"Narrated 'Aisha:
I said, "O Allah's Apostle! A virgin feels shy." He said, "Her consent is (expressed by) her silence."  "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #007.062.068





"O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" .........He said,"Her consent is (expressed by) her silence."i

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by falah on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 5:18pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 11:37am:
>> falah << is a moslem.

falah is clearly proud of the 'righteousness' [rape, murder, corruption, child rape, oppression, tyranny, etc.] which ISLAM enables in the world.

......BECAUSE HE  >>> NEVER, EVER <<< CONDEMNS THE WICKED THINGS WHICH MOSLEMS DO.


And why not ???

Because these depraved crimes of moslems, are 'lawful' to moslems.

ISLAM, 'legitimises' the criminal behaviour of moslems.

And falah, is 'happy' about that.


Are you retarded? I wrote that if they are proven guilty then they should be punished.

Islamic law punishes rape with penalties like stoning and crucifixion.

I certainly do not condone rape. You are lying to suggest that I condone rape or that Islam condones it. But that is the thing about Christianity isn't Yadda lying is not much of a problem for Christians is it? Fancy telling your own children that a man with flying reindeer will climb down the chimney in the middle of the night and leave presents.



Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by falah on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 5:22pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:25pm:
BUT, BUT......
A moslem man living in a Sharia jurisdiction, can 'LAWFULLY' buy, and marry, and abuse, an 8 year old girl. AND THEREBY 'LEGITIMISE' HIS RAPE OF CHILDREN.


That is a complete lie. Men are not allowed to buy women in Islam. A marriage that a woman objects to is considered invalid in islamic law.

Also, in Islam men and women are not allowed to live togather as man and wife until both have reached adulthood. Sexual relations with a child would be considered an illegal act.

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by TrueISLAM on Feb 24th, 2012 at 3:52am

Yadda wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 3:15pm:
N.B.

THE ISLAMIC SOURCES IN MY EVIDENCE.......




Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:

"Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."





The Prophet Muhhamad asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."
Bukhari 7.62.18



The record does NOT show that Aisha gave her own informed consent, in her being joined with Mohammed.


  A Detailed analysis of the Prophet's Marriage to Aisha





By Sami Zaatari



 

This site including myself have already written a couple of articles regarding the prophet's marriage to Aisha, however so I thought it would be helpful of me if I wrote a detailed article on this marriage discussing the marriage and why it was something normal back then and nothing strange or bad.

 

  1-  Did the Prophet Marry Aisha at the age of 6?



Authentic Hadith reports do show us that the prophet Muhammad did marry Aisha at the age of 6, but they also show the consummation of the marriage was complete when she was 9 years old.





Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:

Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.



Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:

Narrated Hisham's father:

Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.



Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.



Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.



Now some may object to this by saying how could the Prophet marry Aisha at such a young age. One must first understand that 1400 years ago was very different than now, times have changed and so have humans. 1400 years ago it was something very common to marry young girls, in fact they were not considered young girls, rather they were considered young women back then. It is a historic fact that girls from the ages of 9 to 14 were being married in Europe, Asia, and Africa, in fact even in the United States girls at the age of 10 were also being married just more than a century ago.

Yet with these facts no historian claims that all these people were sick perverts, historians would call anyone who made such a claim to be arrogant and very stupid who has no grasp or understanding of history.

Furthermore as to the prophets Marriage with Aisha, something people will notice is that the completion of the marriage was done when Aisha was 9 years old, not when she was 6, and there is a reason for that. The reason why this happened is because Aisha had been through puberty by the age of 9, and in Islam a female who under-goes puberty is considered a lady and is fit for marriage. Now some may say how does a girl go through puberty at the age of 9? :



When does puberty start? Although puberty usually starts between ages 8 to 13 in girls, it may start earlier or later. Everyone's body changes at a different time. Whether you have breasts at age 10 or have not started your period by age 14, do not worry. Everyone goes through puberty eventually. healthtouch.com/bin/EContent_HT/cnoteShowLfts.asp?fname=07103&title=PUBERTY+IN+GIRLS+&cid=HTHLTH)

So note, a period for a girl occurs from the age of 8 to 14, though this is not always the case as a girl can also start her period by 14 or maybe 15. However so for Aisha it is most likely her puberty started at 8, and continued till she was 9, and once she was going through puberty and her menses, this made her a lady and not a girl anymore since she was fit for a baby therefore she is no child anymore.

In fact early symptoms of a girl going through puberty is described as:

You may get PMS. PMS or "premenstrual syndrome" is a group of changes you may see and feel before your period. You may have headaches, dizziness, or feel sick to your stomach before your period. You may feel like crying more, feel a little sad, and feel more emotional about everything. PMS may cause you to retain (hold onto) water. Retaining water means that your body tries to keep more body fluid in before and during your period. This may make your breasts tender and cause you to feel bloated, restless, or grumpy.

If we read the hadiths, we find that right before Aisha got married off to the prophet that she was sick and not feeling to well:



Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:

Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.


So as we can see, Aisha got ill and her body was going through some changes, indicating that she was going through her puberty. In fact during puberty a girl will want to be away from her family, meaning her mother and father:

               



Want to be away from your family: During puberty, you may want to spend most of your time with  friends instead of family members. You may feel embarrassed by your family or parents. You may feel like your parents have no idea what you are going through during puberty. It is normal for you to want to be with and dress like your friends most of the time. Just remember that sometime your family may be a better support for you than your friends.



Aisha had no problems when she moved in with the Prophet, nor did she show signs of distress from being away from her mother or father, rather she was very happy, obviously not the type of emotion you would get from a supposed child now would you? A child will want to be with its mother and father, and if it is taken away from them it will cry a lot and will be very distressed, yet no such signs were shown from Aisha.

So therefore as we can see, there was nothing wrong with the marriage, Aisha was going through puberty, she was fit to have a child, meaning she was not a child anymore, and under God a lady who goes through puberty is officially considered fit for marriage, this is something that many Christians agree on as do the Jews.


Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by TrueISLAM on Feb 24th, 2012 at 3:54am
2- Was the Prophet a paedophile? (astaghfurillah may God curse those who call the prophet such a name!)

Now what is a paedophile?

"Low self esteem. Many pedophiles, although by no means all, do not have a great sense of capacity for adopting a sexual demeanor towards adults or those of their own age or older. They feel unhappy and fearful at the prospect of sexual behaviour with adults and hence turn to children due to the fact that they are unable to have the strength of personality to seek adults for sexual demeanor. When considering treatment therefore it is important to establish and develop a higher sense of self-esteem in such individuals."

This obviously cannot be referring to the prophet Muhammad, the prophet sure did not have low self esteem, the prophet had hundreds and hundreds of followers and a person with low self esteem would not be able to do what he did.

Secondly, the prophet Muhammad did not have any fear of having sexual intercourse with adults, for instance Khadijah the first wife of the Prophet was much older than he was!

Safiur-Rahman al-Mubarakpuri's biography:

Khadijah Bint Khuwailid:

In Makkah ? prior to Hijra ? the Prophet's household comprised him [pbuh] and his wife Khadijah bint Khuwailid. He was twenty-five and she was forty when they got married. She was the first woman he married. She was the only wife he had till she died. He had sons and daughters with her. None of their sons lived long. They all died. Their daughters were Zainab, Ruqaiya, Umm Kulthum and Fatimah.

Zainab was married to her maternal cousin Abu Al-?As bin Al-Rabi? and that was before Al-Hijra. Ruqaiya and Umm Kulthum were both married to ?Uthman bin ?Affan successively (i.e. he married one after the death of her sister). Fatimah was married to ?Ali bin Abi Talib; and that was in the period between Badr and Uhud battles. The sons and daughters that Fatimah and ?Ali had were Al-Hasan, Al-Husain, Zainab and Umm Kulthum.

It is well-known that the Prophet [pbuh] was exceptionally authorized to have more than four wives for various reasons. The wives he married were thirteen. Nine of them outlived him. Two died in his lifetime: Khadijah and the Mother of the poor (Umm Al-Masakeen) ? Zainab bint Khuzaima, besides two others with whom he did not consummate his marriage.

Let us see what else a pedophile is:

"Lack of impulse control. Many pedophiles find it extremely difficult to deal with the impulsive nature which inclines them towards sexual behaviour to children. They simply cannot control their need for engaging children in sexual practices. They might be said to suffer from an obsessive-compulsive condition. Here again treatment would involve developing better impulse control and of course redirecting the sexual inclinations."

Thankfully the prophet does not fit this description, in fact Aisha herself testifies to it:

Sahih Al-Bukhari

Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299:

Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:

(on the authority of his father) 'Aisha said: "Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her." 'Aisha added, "None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could."


Sahih Muslim

Book 006, Number 2439:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) used to kiss (his wives) while fasting and embraced (them) while fasting; but he had the greatest mastery over his desire among you.



If this was true on the prophet then he would have just had intercourse with Aisha when she was 6 and he would have also married several other girls at the age of 4-7 and had intercourse with them, yet he never did such a thing.

Other symptoms of a paedophile is loneliness, this is defiantly not true for the prophet, he always had people around him, from companions to his wives, he in fact never had much privacy! Also another symptom of a paedophile is someone who was sexually abused as a child or in some part of his or her life, this never happened to the prophet Muhammad.



Let us now see what the scholars have to say regarding the marriage:

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married ?Aa'ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) after he married Sawdah bint Zam'ah (may Allaah be pleased with her). She - ?Aa'ishah - was the only virgin whom he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married. And he consummated the marriage with her when she was nine years old.

Among her virtues was the fact that the Revelation did not descend when he under one cover with any of his wives other than her. She was one of the dearest of all people to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and news of her innocence was revealed from above the seven heavens. She was one of the most knowledgeable of his wives, and one of the most knowledgeable women of the ummah as a whole. The senior companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to refer to her opinion and consult her.

With regard to the story of her marriage, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had grieved over the death of the Mother of the Believers Khadeejah, who had supported him and stood by his side, and he called the year in which she died The Year of Sorrow. Then he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married Sawdah, who was an older woman and was not very beautiful; rather he married her to console her after her husband had died and she stayed among mushrik people. Four years later the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married ?Aa'ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), and he was over fifty. Perhaps the reasons for the marriage were as follows:

1 - He saw a dream about marrying her. It is proven in al-Bukhaari from the hadeeth of ?Aa'ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to her: "You were shown to me twice in a dream. I saw that you were wrapped in a piece of silk, and it was said, ?This is your wife.' I uncovered her and saw that it was you. I said, ?If this is from Allaah then it will come to pass.'" (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3682). As to whether this is a prophetic vision as it appears to be, or a regular dream that may be subject to interpretation, there was a difference of opinion among the scholars, as mentioned by al-Haafiz in Fath al-Baari, 9/181.

2 - The characteristics of intelligence and smartness that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had noticed in ?Aa'ishah even as a small child, so he wanted to marry her so that she would be more able than others to transmit reports of what he did and said. In fact, as stated above, she was a reference point for the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) with regard to their affairs and rulings.

3 - The love of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for her father Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him), and the persecution that Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) had suffered for the sake of the call of truth, which he bore with patience. He was the strongest of people in faith and the most sincere in certain faith, after the Prophets.

It may be noted that among his wives were those who were young and old, the daughter of his sworn enemy, the daughter of his closest friend. One of them occupied herself with raising orphans, another distinguished herself  from others by fasting and praying qiyaam a great deal. They represented all kinds of people, through whom the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was able to set out a way for the Muslims showing how to deal properly with all kinds of people. [See al-Seerah al-Nabawiyyah fi Daw' al-Masaadir al-Asliyyah, p. 711].

With regard to the issue of her being young and your being confused about that, you should note that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) grew up in a hot country, the Arabian Peninsula. Usually in hot countries adolescence comes early and people marry early. This is how the people of Arabia were until recently. Moreover, women vary greatly in their development and their physical readiness for marriage.

If you think - may Allaah guide you - that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not marry any virgin other than ?Aa'ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), and that all his other wives had been previously married, this will refute the notion spread by many hostile sources, that the basic motive behind the Prophet's marriages was physical desire and enjoyment of women, because if that was his intention he would have chosen only those who were virgins and beautiful etc.   

Such slanders against the Prophet of Mercy (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by kaafirs and others of their ilk, are indicative of their inability to find fault with the law and religion that he brought from Allaah, so they try to find ways to criticize Islam with regard to issues that are not related to sharee'ah.

And Allaah is the Source of strength. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions.

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by TrueISLAM on Feb 24th, 2012 at 4:00am
A scholar on Islamonline.net Muzammil Siddiqi writes:

Before answering your question, we would like first to state that through the centuries, the enemies of Islam have advanced numerous accusations and far-fetched theories to discredit Islam and its last Prophet, Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). Praise be to Allah alone, all such accusations have been successfully refuted by the Muslim Ummah. It is no wonder that we see a group of some Christians reinventing accusations against the noble character of the Prophet about his marriage to young `A'ishah (may Allah be pleased with her).

We have forwarded your question to Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former President of the Islamic Society of North America and Director of the Islamic Society of Orange County, Garden Grove, California. He states the following:

"The author of this flyer attacks the character of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) by using these words, "Prophet of God having sex with a 9-year-old girl." He is trying to confuse his readers as if the Prophet was not married to this girl or married her against her will. The Prophet's wife `A'ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) was indeed young, but he married her according to the traditions of his people at that time.

`A'ishah was most pleased with this marriage. She became his best supporter and learned much of Islam from him. She was a great teacher for many women and men of her time. Her parents were very pleased with this marriage. Historically, it is not confirmed that she was 9 years old when she came in the household of the Prophet. There are various reports from age 9 to age 24. Her maturity, knowledge, intelligence, and contributions during the life of the Prophet and afterwards all indicate that she was either an exceptional nine-year-old or must have been older than that. Whatever the case may be about her age, one thing is certain: she was a most compatible spouse of Prophet Muhammad. None of the contemporaries of the Prophet, his friends or foes, are reported to be surprised by this marriage or made objections to it.

The author should read his own Bible and ask himself how fair he is in judging Prophet Muhammad with one standard and his own prophets with another. If he thinks that a Prophet of God should not have a very young wife, then he should also reject Abraham as God's Prophet. If he cannot accept a 50-year-old Prophet of God having a 9-year-old wife (though I do not agree that she was 9), then he should also not accept an 86-year- old Prophet of God who slept with a young maiden of his own wife without marrying her, as the Bible says (see Genesis 16:1-16). He should then reject all the Prophets who came in the line of Prophet Abraham, including Jesus. He should also reject the whole Bible, Old and New Testament, because they both praise Abraham as a great person.

We as Muslims, of course, honor Prophet Ibrahim (peace and blessings be upon him) and respect his marriage to Hajar (may Allah be pleased with her). She was the honored mother of Prophet Isma`il (peace and blessings be upon him and upon all the Prophets of God)."

Another group of scholars also write:

we'd like to make it clear in the very beginning that Prophet's marriage to `Aisha, the Mother of the Faithful, has always been a subject of attack and criticism by the enemies of Islam. First of all, we want to clarify to people who view this marriage as some sort of brutal act and child abuse that they should try to understand the main purpose of this marriage and the condition of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, before the marriage.

As for the purpose of this marriage, it was purely for sociopolitical reason. The Prophet's main concern was the future of Islam. He was interested in strengthening the Muslims by all bonds. This also explains the reason why he married the daughter of `Umar, his Second Successor. It was by his marriage to Juwayriyyah that he gained the support for Islam of the whole clan of Bani Al-Mustaliq and their allied tribes. It was through his marriage to Safiyyah that he neutralized a great section of the hostile Jews of Arabia. By accepting Mariya, the Copt from Egypt, as his wife, he formed a political alliance with a king of great magnitude. So his marriage to `Aisha could never be of anything save cementing his relation with Abu Bakr, `Aisha's father.

As for the Prophet's condition before this marriage, it clearly explained what we've said that it was a purely sublime aim and purpose that motivated him to marry `Aisha. That's why the marriage was not consummated until sometime after the emigration to Madinah, when she had reached maturity. The motives of this marriage can be understood to be anything except passion and physical attraction. However, he lived with her, in addition to Sawdah, for five to six years, when he was 56 years of age, without taking any other wife.

One important point we have to clarify here is that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, when proposing to `Aisha, was not the first suitor, for, according to many historians, Jubair ibn Mut`am proposed to her before the Prophet, peace and blessings for him. This gives an indication that `Aisha, may Allah be pleased with her, was mature enough for marriage at that age.

Giving more details on this issue, Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, deputy chairman of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, states the following:

Firstly, Prophet's proposal to `Aisha came through a suggestion made by Khawalh bint Hakim as a sign of strengthening the relation with his Companion Abu Bakr and confirming his love for him.

Secondly, the fact that `Aisha, before the Prophet proposed to her, was being pursued by Jubair ibn Mut`am, indicates that she was mature enough for marriage, according to the prevailing tradition at that time, if not, the Quraish people, who would never waste any chance to insult the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, would have found this marriage as a golden opportunity to pour on him rain of insults. Rather they found nothing wrong in this engagement, and they received the news of the Prophet's proposal for `Aisha as something usual, and even, expected.

`Aisha was not the first case, for many girls married at her same age to men who were at their fathers' age. Hala, the cousin of Amina bint Wahb was married to Abdul-Muttalib on the same day his son `Abdullah married Aminah bint Wahb who was at Hala's same age. Also, the Companion `Umar ibn Al-Khattab married the daughter of Ali ibn Abi Talib, may Allah honor his face, while he was at her grandpa's age.

After the passage of many centuries, we find now some Orientalists who try to strike a comparison between the conditions of our present time and what was existing 1400 years ago. They are trying to apply the criterions of the Western society to that society that existed in the Arabian Peninsula very long ago.

It should be noted that in the hot regions, it's normal for a girl to attain maturity at a very early age. Thus the case is totally different from that which does exist in the cold regions where a girl does not attain puberty before 21 [Physicians maintain that the age of puberty in the hot regions normally ranges from 9 to 16]. At all rates, it should be stressed that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, on marrying `Aisha, never aimed at fulfilling a lust or satisfying a desire; rather, his aim was to strengthen his relation with the most beloved Companion of his.

Had it been true that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, aimed at fulfilling a lust or satisfying a desire, he would have done this while still in his youth when he was still free from the responsibilities of delivering Allah's call. At his early age, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, accepted to marry Khadija, may Allah be pleased with her, who was 15 years older than him. He also never married a new wife until after her death. Even after her passing away, his new wife Sawdah bint Zam`ah was an old-aged widow who possessed no particular appealing qualities. This adds to our certainty that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, had many great lofty aims behind his marriages. Also, when Khawlah bint Hakim suggested to him to marry`Aisha, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, thought thoroughly whether to accept or to refuse. He took into consideration his relation with Abu Bakr.

When `Aisha reached the Prophet's house, Sawdah gave her the first place and took care of her till her death.. Afterwards, `Aisha remained a faithful wife to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him; her 10 years of marriage were of the life of a fully dedicated disciple, trainee and scholarly student in the noble Prophetic school. She was the source of knowledge for almost every Companion. She was of the main sources for revealing knowledge and information of the private life of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. She was a big celebrity in politics and the best example of generosity.

The Prophet's love for `Aisha was a sign of his love for her father. On being asked about the dearest person to his heart, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, mentioned `Aisha. Then, on being asked about the dearest man to him and he, peace and blessings be upon him, mentioned her father, Abu Bakr.

Almighty Allah knows best.



And indeed Allah almighty knows best!

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Yadda on Feb 24th, 2012 at 1:34pm

falah wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 5:22pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:25pm:
BUT, BUT......
A moslem man living in a Sharia jurisdiction, can 'LAWFULLY' buy, and marry, and abuse, an 8 year old girl. AND THEREBY 'LEGITIMISE' HIS RAPE OF CHILDREN.





That is a complete lie. Men are not allowed to buy women in Islam. A marriage that a woman objects to is considered invalid in islamic law.




Also, in Islam men and women are not allowed to live togather as man and wife until both have reached adulthood. Sexual relations with a child would be considered an illegal act.






falah......
"That is a complete lie. Men are not allowed to buy women in Islam. A marriage that a woman objects to is considered invalid in islamic law."




Yadda wrote on Feb 24th, 2012 at 12:07pm:
.....this evidence, is a REPUDIATION, of your assertion, that the ISLAM insists that consent of the woman must be obtained, before her marriage.....


Quote:
Somalia: Al-Shabaab abducting teenage girls to "marry" jihadists

"A 16-year-old girl who refused to marry an al-Shabaab commander who was three times her age was killed by his men and beheaded."

"Girls were taken at gunpoint. One girl said she could not go and al-Shabaab shot her in the forehead in front of my class."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/somalia-al-shabaab-abducting-teenage-girls-to-marry-jihadists.html




falah,

So Al-Shabaab, are not REAL moslems [.....again!] ???


Is that always your 'position' falah, when anyone presents you with evidence of the depraved criminal acts of those persons who are 'proud' moslems ???



When will you confront the truth falah,   .......that ISLAMIC and Sharia 'guided' societies in the world, are all nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty ???



Why do you continually spurn the clear and irrefutable truth about ISLAM, falah ???





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God's word says that those who have 'pleasure in unrighteousness', will reject God's truth.


2 Thessalonians 2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by falah on Feb 24th, 2012 at 8:56pm
Yadda, if you ever went to a university you would probably learn about source credibility.

Jihadwatch is not a credible news source.

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by adamant on Feb 25th, 2012 at 9:03am

falah wrote on Feb 24th, 2012 at 8:56pm:
Yadda, if you ever went to a university you would probably learn about source credibility.

Jihadwatch is not a credible news source.


Is this a more credible source falah

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/somalia/9096315/Al-Shabaab-militia-abducting-teenage-girls-to-marry-fighters.html

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Yadda on Feb 25th, 2012 at 12:45pm

falah wrote on Feb 24th, 2012 at 8:56pm:
Yadda, if you ever went to a university you would probably learn about source credibility.

Jihadwatch is not a credible news source.




'source credibility' ???

Then you and the moslem brothers, have got a big problem.


Q.
How can you tell if a moslem is lying ???

A.
If a moslems' lips are moving, there is a 90/10 chance that he is lying to your face.





falah,

Not every non-moslem yet knows, but slowly, every non-moslem is coming to know, that moslems are inveterate liars.

Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"




Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya



How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War
http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war



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Moslems absolutely HATE    http://www.jihadwatch.org/

Because the http://www.jihadwatch.org/ site is exposing the absolute treason, treachery and violence of devout moslems.



see also.....
THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/




Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by falah on Feb 25th, 2012 at 2:20pm

Adamant wrote on Feb 25th, 2012 at 9:03am:

falah wrote on Feb 24th, 2012 at 8:56pm:
Yadda, if you ever went to a university you would probably learn about source credibility.

Jihadwatch is not a credible news source.


Is this a more credible source falah

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/somalia/9096315/Al-Shabaab-militia-abducting-teenage-girls-to-marry-fighters.html



No it is not credible because it is based on a report by the Jewish anti-Muslim HRW group which is primarily funded by anti-Muslim Jew George Soros.

The report is obviously timed to coincide with a UK commitment to support Christian armies invading Somalia.

It is like the false reports of Iraqi soldiers killing babies in the lead up to the first Iraq war.



Quote:
The George Soros Open Society Foundation is the primary donor of the Human Rights Watch, contributing $100 Million of $128 Million of contributions and grants received by the HRW in the 2011 financial year
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Watch





The report itself admits that interviews with refugees were done in an enemy state (Kenya) which is currently invading Somalia. In HRW's own words they have chosen to interview people who had previously collaborated with the invading Kenyan army, this has the effect of having


Quote:
skewed the reporting towards people of certain backgrounds and from certain geographic areas.
http://www.hrw.org/node/105166/section/6


They didn't even know how old the people they interviewed were:


Quote:
Given the lack of birth registration in Somalia and the fact children and young adults are not always aware of their age, Human Rights Watch researchers asked a range of questions to seek to confirm the age of the interviewees and asked parents when they were available.
http://www.hrw.org/node/105166/section/6


The Jewish HRW demonstrated their bias by only interviewing only the rebel TFG and their international supporters and not the Shabab Government:



Quote:
Human Rights Watch also spoke in person and by phone with TFG officials; officials of UN agencies and the African Union; members of Somali and international nongovernmental organizations working on human rights, child protection, and education; and members of the diplomatic community.




Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by red baron on Feb 25th, 2012 at 6:16pm
Have you fanaticvs ever read the Ten Commandments from God Almighty.

They are simple and easy to follow:

I am the Lord your God...
6. Do Not Kill

2. You Shall Not Make Graven Images
7. Do Not Commit Adultery

3. Do Not Take God's Name in Vain
8. Do Not Steal

4. Keep Holy the Lord's Day
9. Do Not Lie

5. Honor your Father and Mother
10. Honor Your Neighbor's Goods





The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)
1      “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2      “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3      “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4      “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5      “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6      “You shall not murder.
7      “You shall not commit adultery.
8      “You shall not steal.
9      “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10      “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

Perhaps if you were to simply read and follow these rules, life would become a lot simler for you.

Cheers guys and gals.

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Feb 25th, 2012 at 7:46pm
I find it abhorrent that anyone on here could be defending this disgusting group of pakis.

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by Karnal on Feb 25th, 2012 at 9:05pm
You can't beat TrueIslam, Yadda.

Better ask him to Google something. If you can get a word in.

Title: Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Post by adamant on Feb 25th, 2012 at 9:31pm
Falah if you do not believe that the HRW is a reliable source why on earth do you believe the Koran/Quran?

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