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Message started by Baronvonrort on Jan 11th, 2012 at 9:31am

Title: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 11th, 2012 at 9:31am
Islam allows men to keep slaves for sex.

Muhammad had a coptic christian sex slave called Maria who gave him his only son called Ibrahim who died around 18 months of age.

Ineresting question at Islam QA which contradicts the lies told by Abu in his forum.

Quote:
Could you please clarify something that has been troubling e for a while
This concerns the right of a man to have sexual relations with slave girls.
Is this so?



Islam allows aman to have intercourse wth his slave woman,whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married.
The wife has no right to object to her husband owning female slaves or to his having intercourse with them

Source- http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/10382/slave%20girl


Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Yadda on Jan 14th, 2012 at 6:39pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 9:31am:
Islam allows men to keep slaves for sex.

Muhammad had a coptic christian sex slave called Maria who gave him his only son called Ibrahim who died around 18 months of age.

Ineresting question at Islam QA which contradicts the lies told by Abu in his forum.

Quote:
Could you please clarify something that has been troubling e for a while
This concerns the right of a man to have sexual relations with slave girls.
Is this so?



Islam allows aman to have intercourse wth his slave woman,whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married.

The wife has no right to object to her husband owning female slaves or to his having intercourse with them

Source- http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/10382/slave%20girl





Baron,
Also, if the captive woman is already married, and has a living husband, the moslem owner of that captive woman does not commit adultery by having [forced] sex with her.

In such circumstances every moslem man gets a special 'dispensation' from ISLAM [Allah], to commit adultery with a married woman [i.e. a woman who is already BOUND in wedlock], without any prospect of being stoned, as a punishment for his serious sin.

Google;
islam marital status of female captives, is no longer valid





see also.....
Kuwait: "Female political activist" calls for legalizing sex slavery to protect men from "adultery or corruption"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/kuwait-female-political-activist-calls-for-legalizing-sex-slavery-to-protect-men-from-adultery-or-co.html


"We are moslems cuz we want to be pure before Allah."
/sarc off




Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by adamant on Jan 15th, 2012 at 8:01pm
In Islam you do not have to have a sex slave, you can have a mutah marriage it is form of prostitution in a different guise. After you have shagged the sheila and the marriage is no more she is a virgin again.

It's gotta be true old Mo said so.

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by falah on Jan 17th, 2012 at 7:14pm
Why would you raise this issue when, due to Islam's discouragement of slavery, slavery does not exist today in the Islamic world?


Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 9:31am:
Islam allows men to keep slaves for sex.

The use of the term "sex slaves" is misleading. Hypothetically, Islam allows a man to have relationship with his female slaves similar to that a wife - a concubine.



Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 9:31am:
Muhammad had a coptic christian sex slave called Maria who gave him his only son called Ibrahim who died around 18 months of age.


Prophet Muhammed (may God's peace and blesings be upon him) was given a slave, named Maria, by the Christian ruler of Egypt.

Other prophets like David and Solomon had concubines.

The Bible says that prophet Abraham had a concubine named Hagar. They even  had children together!

Doesn't that mean that Christianity and Judaism also sanctions sex-slavery?

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by falah on Jan 17th, 2012 at 7:22pm

Adamant wrote on Jan 15th, 2012 at 8:01pm:
In Islam you do not have to have a sex slave, you can have a mutah marriage it is form of prostitution in a different guise. After you have shagged the sheila and the marriage is no more she is a virgin again.


Complete lie. Mutah is a Shi-ite practice from the Shi-ite religion. To say that temporary marriage is part of Islam is like saying "Mormons practice polygamy, so therefore polygamy must be a Christian thing."

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Yadda on Jan 19th, 2012 at 12:12pm

falah wrote on Jan 17th, 2012 at 7:14pm:

Prophet Muhammed (may God's peace and blesings be upon him) was given a slave, named Maria, by the Christian ruler of Egypt.

Other prophets like David and Solomon had concubines.

The Bible says that prophet Abraham had a concubine named Hagar. They even  had children together!

Doesn't that mean that Christianity and Judaism also sanctions sex-slavery?




The Bible says that prophet Abraham had a concubine named Hagar. They even  had children together!

Doesn't that mean that Christianity and Judaism also sanctions sex-slavery?



Sarai [Sarah] was baren, so she gave her servant, Hagar, to Abram as a wife, to bear him children. Genesis 16:1-3

Later Sarai [Sarah] was promised a child, by God.

But Sarah did not believe God's promise to her.  Genesis 18:9-15





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Other prophets like David and Solomon had concubines.



Men's lust for horses and women.

In the OT men's desire for horses represents the lust of men for [political/martial] power, and men's desire for women represents men's carnal lust.

God understands that it is always men's lusts which separate men from God.

God didn't separate himself from man.

It was man [in his flesh] who separated himself from God's purity.



e.g.
What was God's warning to the kings of Israel concerning those lusts ???

Deuteronomy 17:14
When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me;
15  Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.
16  But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.
17  Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.
18  And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of that which is before the priests the Levites:
19  And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them:
20  That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren, and that he turn not aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left: to the end that he may prolong his days in his kingdom, he, and his children, in the midst of Israel.



Again....
Other prophets like David and Solomon had concubines.

What was Solomon's fault ???

1 Kings 10:26
And Solomon gathered together chariots and horsemen: and he had a thousand and four hundred chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen, whom he bestowed in the cities for chariots, and with the king at Jerusalem.
27  And the king made silver to be in Jerusalem as stones, and cedars made he to be as the sycomore trees that are in the vale, for abundance.
28  And Solomon had horses brought out of Egypt, and linen yarn: the king's merchants received the linen yarn at a price.
29  And a chariot came up and went out of Egypt for six hundred shekels of silver, and an horse for an hundred and fifty: and so for all the kings of the Hittites, and for the kings of Syria, did they bring them out by their means.

1 Kings 11:1
But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
2  Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.
3  And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.
4  For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
5  For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
6  And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.
7  Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.
8  And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.




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And although....

2 Chronicles 9:22
And king Solomon passed all the kings of the earth in riches and wisdom.


....King Solomon was an idolater, just like all men are idolaters.



The lesson from Solomon's conduct [i.e. disobeying God's laws and commandments, Deuteronomy 17:14-20] is that it led Israel down an idolatrous road [path in life].

Ultimately [disobeying God's laws and commandments] led to Israel's destruction and the enslavement [again!!!] of Israel's people.

i.e.
Separation from God, will cause our enslavement and bondage.

Blindly chasing our worldly desires, causes our [spiritual] enslavement.

Not trusting God [disobeying God's laws and commandments], will cause our [spiritual] enslavement.

This life is a spiritual test.

We are effectively free, to choose to do, whatever we wish.

And in your choices, YOU, are revealing yourself.



Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

2 Peter 2:19
While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.


Q.
Who wants us in bondage?

A.
SATAN.



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Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15  For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16  The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


1 Corinthians 2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


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You want to chase 'tail'?

That is what moslems do [....'chasing tail' is a behaviour which is sanctified by Mohammed's own conduct].




Mohammed's example, in the Hadith provides the proof to moslems that moslem men can 'lawfully' have non-consensual sex with their female captives....


n.b. THESE WORDS [below] ARE DIRECTLY QUOTED FROM THE HADITH [i.e. the sunnah of Mohammed]


Quote:

"on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women"

"for we were suffering from the absence of our wives"

"and we desired them"

[COMM; You see, moslems are led by their desires too.]


"So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them
"

"Rape your 'war booty', its OK, say ISLAMIC texts"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251760605/0#0


Dictionary;
Sunna = = the traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims.


Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 19th, 2012 at 1:18pm

falah wrote on Jan 17th, 2012 at 7:14pm:
Why would you raise this issue when, due to Islam's discouragement of slavery, slavery does not exist today in the Islamic world?

The use of the term "sex slaves" is misleading, Islam allows a man to have relationship with his female slaves similar to that a wife - a concubine.

Doesn't that mean that Christianity and Judaism also sanctions sex-slavery?


You are a LIAR Falah.. what about the sex slaves called the Bacha Bazi used by the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Cyrus the Great abolished slavery around 530BC which was a long time before Profit (allah did demand 20% of all war booty) Mo started his death cult.

I think it was Pope Leo who told the christians not to take the bible literally has any Imam ever said the same thing about the Quran?

Here is a little Mohammad cartoon about the time he was busted by his wife for having sex with his coptic christian sex slave called Maria-

















It appears allah was always there to help Mo with his sex life....

Falah - What makes you think Mohammad was NOT a pretender?i

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Soren on Jan 19th, 2012 at 1:35pm

falah wrote on Jan 17th, 2012 at 7:14pm:
Why would you raise this issue when, due to Islam's discouragement of slavery, slavery does not exist today in the Islamic world?



Islam 'discourages' it, the West, on Christian grounds, abolished it. In islam, it is still legal because Mohmmed had slaves. It will alway be OK in Islam for that reason. You cannot abolosh it without repudiating Mohammed. In the west, including the Jews, it is illegal, no matter who in the OT had slaves.

You know this, I know this, every literate Muslim knows this. Yet you argue as if you didn't know.
This is one of hundreds and thousands of examples of muslims knowingly lying and distorting. No wonder you are not trusted.




Most of hye 20 million slaves in the world today are in Pakistan and other South Asian countries.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/1357_slavery_today/page4.shtml


'discourged', eh?

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Karnal on Jan 19th, 2012 at 9:31pm

Soren wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

falah wrote on Jan 17th, 2012 at 7:14pm:
Why would you raise this issue when, due to Islam's discouragement of slavery, slavery does not exist today in the Islamic world?



Islam 'discourages' it, the West, on Christian grounds, abolished it. In islam, it is still legal because Mohmmed had slaves. It will alway be OK in Islam for that reason. You cannot abolosh it without repudiating Mohammed. In the west, including the Jews, it is illegal, no matter who in the OT had slaves.

You know this, I know this, every literate Muslim knows this. Yet you argue as if you didn't know.
This is one of hundreds and thousands of examples of muslims knowingly lying and distorting. No wonder you are not trusted.




Most of hye 20 million slaves in the world today are in Pakistan and other South Asian countries.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/1357_slavery_today/page4.shtml


'discourged', eh?


Are you saying it's legal to own slaves in Muslim countries, dear chap? That they haven't abolished slavery? I say.

Indonesia looks nice.

Simon - Indonesia.

Roger. Wilco.

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Yadda on Jan 19th, 2012 at 11:32pm

falah wrote on Jan 17th, 2012 at 7:14pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 9:31am:
Islam allows men to keep slaves for sex.

The use of the term "sex slaves" is misleading. Hypothetically, Islam allows a man to have relationship with his female slaves similar to that a wife - a concubine.



"The use of the term "sex slaves" is misleading. Hypothetically, Islam allows a man to have relationship with his female slaves similar to that a wife - a concubine."



falah,

Your own foundation text [the Koran] clearly states that captive women [i.e. 'those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war'], are the 'lawful' sex objects of moslem men.

Why do you, AS A PROUD MOSLEM, deny what is clearly stated within the Koran?

Are you ashamed that ISLAM's foundation text [the Koran] clearly promotes and endorses the sex-slavery of captive women 'out of the prisoners of war'?

And are you ashamed that the Koran categorises those captive women, as 'lawful' sex objects for their owners, moslem men ?




"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Koran 33.50




falah says....

"The use of the term "sex slaves" is misleading."

falah, why do you deny that ISLAM clearly promotes and endorses the sex-slavery of captive non-moslem women?




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Again, in the same post, falah makes the false claim.....

"Why would you raise this issue when, due to Islam's discouragement of slavery, slavery does not exist today in the Islamic world?"





Pakistan: Christian girls and women, some already married, abducted and forcibly converted to Islam
The marriages of captives are abrogated, by order of the Qur'an: "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you" (4:24).

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/pakistan-christian-girls-some-already-married-abducted-and-forcibly-converted.html


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n.b.
It is clear that critics of ISLAM can present irrefutable proof [ISLAMIC texts, and the conduct of moslems today], showing of how immoral ISLAM is as a philosophy....

And the very best reply moslems can come up with is a bare faced denial,
.....even in the face of proofs against their denials.

e.g. #1,
"Why would you raise this issue when, due to Islam's discouragement of slavery, slavery does not exist today in the Islamic world?"

e.g. #2,
"The use of the term "sex slaves" is misleading. Hypothetically, Islam allows a man to have relationship with his female slaves similar to that a wife - a concubine."


Pure denial of proofs set before moslems.





Conclusion;
Moslems have no shame.
It is impossible to shame a moslem, by presenting him with the evidence of his immoral beliefs or his immoral conduct.

Why so?

Because moslems 'KNOW', that they are moral persons.

Why so?

Because moslems 'KNOW' [from childhood all moslems are taught], that their accusers [the non-moslems] are the immoral persons.



TO UNDERSTAND THE MOSLEM MIND, WE NON-MOSLEMS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS CONCEPT ! ------>

Within ISLAM, all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia.


Q.
What is permitted by Sharia ???

A.
The use of captive non-moslem women as sexual slaves.



Further 'deniable' proof #1,

Kuwait: "Female political activist" calls for legalizing sex slavery to protect men from "adultery or corruption"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/kuwait-female-political-activist-calls-for-legalizing-sex-slavery-to-protect-men-from-adultery-or-co.html


Further 'deniable' proof #2,

"Egyptian imam: "When I want a sex slave, I just go to the market and choose the woman I like and purchase her" "
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/egyptian-imam-when-i-want-a-sex-slave-i-just-go-to-the-market-and-choose-the-woman-i-like-and-purcha.html

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Yadda on Jan 20th, 2012 at 12:01am

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 9:31pm:
Are you saying it's legal to own slaves in Muslim countries, dear chap? That they haven't abolished slavery? I say.

Indonesia looks nice.



K,

I know that you are sincere, and that you don't really know what moslems 'are about'.
/sarc off

You need to read this article.....

Raymond Ibrahim: How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
Consider this video of Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami, a top-ranked figure in Egypt’s Salafi movement which won some 25% of the votes in recent elections. He makes clear a point that, in a different era, would be thoroughly eye-opening—that all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance: when Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive.
......Burhami is referring to the famous Mecca/Medina division: when Muhammad was weak and outnumbered in his early Mecca period, he preached peace and made pacts with infidels; when he became strong in the Medina period, he preached war and went on the offensive. This dichotomy—preach peace when weak, wage war when strong—has been instructive to Muslim leaders for ages.


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/raymond-ibrahim-how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior.html



ISLAM = = violence, denial, deception, lies, all in the cause of warfare against Allah's enemies [i.e. all non-moslem mankind].


Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Soren on Jan 20th, 2012 at 9:06am

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 9:31pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

falah wrote on Jan 17th, 2012 at 7:14pm:
Why would you raise this issue when, due to Islam's discouragement of slavery, slavery does not exist today in the Islamic world?



Islam 'discourages' it, the West, on Christian grounds, abolished it. In islam, it is still legal because Mohmmed had slaves. It will alway be OK in Islam for that reason. You cannot abolosh it without repudiating Mohammed. In the west, including the Jews, it is illegal, no matter who in the OT had slaves.

You know this, I know this, every literate Muslim knows this. Yet you argue as if you didn't know.
This is one of hundreds and thousands of examples of muslims knowingly lying and distorting. No wonder you are not trusted.




Most of hye 20 million slaves in the world today are in Pakistan and other South Asian countries.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/1357_slavery_today/page4.shtml


'discourged', eh?


Are you saying it's legal to own slaves in Muslim countries, dear chap? That they haven't abolished slavery?



Yeah, that's what I am saying.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4042207.stm

See also Sudan.

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 24th, 2012 at 12:39pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 1:18pm:


It appears allah was always there to help Mo with his sex life....

Falah - What makes you think Mohammad was NOT a pretender?


This cartoon even points out how muslims blame the woman for not having a boy.

Islam contradicts science by claiming the woman can be responsible for the gender of a child.
Science clearly states the male is the one who determines the gender of the child.

Many muslim women get divorced or abandoned by their husbands for having girls they get blamed for this by muslims who are ignorant of biology.

This gem from Islam QA-

Quote:
In a moment of anger,I was speaking to a friend of mine and he asked me what if i was given a 3rd daughter? I said to him :If my wife gives birth to a third daughter,i will divorce her.But i did not mean what i said Does this count as a divorce?

If you said :If my wife gives birth to a 3rd daughter then she is divorced -Then divorce takes place if she gives birth to a 3rd girl

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/144991/divorce

Many muslim women are blamed for having girls when it is the male who determines the gender of the child.

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 24th, 2012 at 4:32pm

falah wrote on Jan 17th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

Adamant wrote on Jan 15th, 2012 at 8:01pm:
In Islam you do not have to have a sex slave, you can have a mutah marriage it is form of prostitution in a different guise. After you have shagged the sheila and the marriage is no more she is a virgin again.


Complete lie. Mutah is a Shi-ite practice from the Shi-ite religion. To say that temporary marriage is part of Islam is like saying "Mormons practice polygamy, so therefore polygamy must be a Christian thing."


Yes and muslims do not do suicide bombing,they call it martyrdom get your terms right and win 72 houris who are white in colour.
Why do the houris have to be white Falah what is wrong with having a few dark skinned girls in your heavenly brothel was Mohammad a racist?

The sunni muslims do a form of temporary marriage called "Misyar Nikah" which is similar to a mutah nikah yet it is the sunni version.


Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by falah on Jan 25th, 2012 at 11:59am
Sex Slavery In The Bible


The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery.  How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?


When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.  (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

What does the Bible say about beating slaves?  It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.



    When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)





The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.



    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.  (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)






The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.


If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years.  Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom.  If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year.  But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him.  If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.  But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children.  I would rather not go free.'  If he does this, his master must present him before God.  Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl.  After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.  (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)


Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave.  What kind of family values are these?




You might think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show:

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.  Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.  (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)


Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed.  If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful.  You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts.  Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.  (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)


The following parable quoting jesus, approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it.  "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly..."  (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Soren on Jan 25th, 2012 at 2:47pm
We do not have biblical law, you numpty.  No matter how many of these stupid post you make, there is no equivalent of sharia in the west - we do not have OT OR NT based laws.  Got that?

It does not matter what the bible says. Laws in the west are made by parliaments, not religious scholars. That's why you have religious freedom in the way there is NO religious freedom in Muslim countries.

You know this. But you will continue pretending otherwise. What a galah.




Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Yadda on Jan 26th, 2012 at 10:58am

falah wrote on Jan 25th, 2012 at 11:59am:


Sex Slavery In The Bible







Every verse presented by falah is a misrepresentation.



In that the 'slaves' and 'sex slaves' which falah presents, are BOND-SERVANTS.

A BOND-SERVANT is a person who cells himself into service as a servant.

Why?

Because they or their family, are poor, or because they and their family have fallen upon hard times.

So, they 'cell themselves', as servants, to wealthy neighbours - for a period of years.



e.g. #1,
falah presents.....
The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery.  How can anyone think it is moral to cell your own daughter as a sex slave?


When a man cells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to cell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.  (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)



Yadda presents the same verse.....

Exodus 21:7
And if a man cell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
8  If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to cell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.


Dictionary;
maidservant = = a female domestic servant.

Dictionary;
betroth = = formally engaged to be married.ie.g. #2,
falah presents.....
The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.  (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

n.b.
".....You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." Leviticus 25:46




Yadda presents.....

But then, what does the VERY NEXT VERSE, which was omitted by falah present ????

Leviticus 25:47
And if a sojourner or stranger wax rich by thee, and thy brother that dwelleth by him wax poor, and cell himself unto the stranger or sojourner by thee, or to the stock of the stranger's family:
48  After that he is sold he may be redeemed again; one of his brethren may redeem him:


Those verses are talking about bond-servants.

i.e.
People who cell themselves into service, as a servant.

And those verses [Leviticus 25:47-48] reveal that there was no prohibition in a 'stranger' who was living among the Hebrews, making a Hebrew man his 'slave', that is, his bond-servant.





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The reality of the social mores [i.e. the laws] of the Hebrews, is very different to the implication that falah is presenting.

Why so?

That is, why do you think that falah is misrepresenting the social mores [i.e. the laws] of the Hebrews?

Would the fact that the ancient Hebrews were the progenitors of the Jewish people have anything to do with falah's misrepresentation of the mores [i.e. the laws] of the ancient Hebrew people ?






+++


My advice.....

If you wish to understand what the OT Bible truly presents, then you should read and try to study the OT Bible for yourself.

As a person living in the 21 century, it is likely that you may not understand the dynamics of social circumstances that are described in the OT Bible, or if you do understand the social circumstances that are described, you may object strongly with the circumstances that are described.

The mores and customs and the violence which the OT Bible revealed and which are spoken of [in the books of Moses] will seem 'foreign' to a person living in the 21 century,
.......precisely because the OT Bible was written for the circumstances of people who were alive 3,400 years ago.

That was a time when [very large] societies of men, living together were something of a new 'convention', and it was a time when brigands [large predatory bands of armed robbers] were still very common.

It was a time when predation by one group of [stronger] people, upon another group of [weaker] people was common.

Dictionary;
predation, predator = =
1 an animal that preys on others.
2 a person who exploits others. a company that tries to take over another.





It is a type of predation that is presented in this Koran as 'lawful', for example;

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Koran 9.29






Regards examples of the 'lawful' predation today, by one group of people, upon another group of people;


See.....

Kuwait: "Female political activist" calls for legalizing sex slavery to protect men from "adultery or corruption"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/kuwait-female-political-activist-calls-for-legalizing-sex-slavery-to-protect-men-from-adultery-or-co.html


And;

"Egyptian imam: "When I want a sex slave, I just go to the market and choose the woman I like and purchase her" "
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/egyptian-imam-when-i-want-a-sex-slave-i-just-go-to-the-market-and-choose-the-woman-i-like-and-purcha.html



Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Baronvonrort on Mar 19th, 2012 at 9:57am
This guy is a revert to Islam just like Abu and Falah


Quote:
Muslim preacher Ibrahim Siddiq-Conlon charged with hoax mardi gras threat and possessing child abuse material

He has been charged with using a carriage service to make a hoax threat,possessing child abuse material and using a carriage service to access child pornography.

source-http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/muslim-preacher-ibrahim-muhammad-siddiq-conlon-charged-with-hoax-mardi-gras-threat-and-possessing-child-abuse-materials/story-fn7y9brv-1226299285109


Mohammad married a 6yo girl called Aisha so child sex is acceptable in Islam.

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by falah on Mar 19th, 2012 at 11:37am

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 9:57am:
This guy is a revert to Islam just like Abu and Falah


Quote:
Muslim preacher Ibrahim Siddiq-Conlon charged with hoax mardi gras threat and possessing child abuse material

He has been charged with using a carriage service to make a hoax threat,possessing child abuse material and using a carriage service to access child pornography.

source-http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/muslim-preacher-ibrahim-muhammad-siddiq-conlon-charged-with-hoax-mardi-gras-threat-and-possessing-child-abuse-materials/story-fn7y9brv-1226299285109



There are thousands of reverts to Islam in Australia. Probably you think that we were all in Guantanamo Bay too because John Howard put David Hicks there.


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 9:57am:
Mohammad married a 6yo girl


This was a betrothal, not a marriage in the modern, Western sense of the word. They didn't live together as man and wife until years later when she had reached puberty - the recognised indicator of adulthood throughout most of human history.

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Baronvonrort on Mar 19th, 2012 at 1:25pm

falah wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 11:37am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 9:57am:
This guy is a revert to Islam just like Abu and Falah


Quote:
Muslim preacher Ibrahim Siddiq-Conlon charged with hoax mardi gras threat and possessing child abuse material

He has been charged with using a carriage service to make a hoax threat,possessing child abuse material and using a carriage service to access child pornography.

source-http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/muslim-preacher-ibrahim-muhammad-siddiq-conlon-charged-with-hoax-mardi-gras-threat-and-possessing-child-abuse-materials/story-fn7y9brv-1226299285109



There are thousands of reverts to Islam in Australia. Probably you think that we were all in Guantanamo Bay too because John Howard put David Hicks there.


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 9:57am:
Mohammad married a 6yo girl


This was a betrothal, not a marriage in the modern, Western sense of the word. They didn't live together as man and wife until years later when she had reached puberty - the recognised indicator of adulthood throughout most of human history.


Siddiq Conlon was the leader of Sharia4Australia calling for unconstitutional sharia law.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ShariahforAustralia
He likes his child porn.

There are many Sahih hadeeth by Bukhari that say Aisha was 9 when the marriage was consummated.
There are hadith that say she was playing with dolls which shows she was prepubescent.

Do you think 9 year old girls have reached puberty falah?

Do you think men should be allowed to marry prepubescent girls falah?

I have asked you for your opinion on the statutory rape laws in the west,do you think statutory rape laws are a good thing falah?

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by falah on Mar 19th, 2012 at 7:24pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

falah wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 11:37am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 9:57am:
This guy is a revert to Islam just like Abu and Falah


Quote:
Muslim preacher Ibrahim Siddiq-Conlon charged with hoax mardi gras threat and possessing child abuse material

He has been charged with using a carriage service to make a hoax threat,possessing child abuse material and using a carriage service to access child pornography.

source-http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/muslim-preacher-ibrahim-muhammad-siddiq-conlon-charged-with-hoax-mardi-gras-threat-and-possessing-child-abuse-materials/story-fn7y9brv-1226299285109



There are thousands of reverts to Islam in Australia. Probably you think that we were all in Guantanamo Bay too because John Howard put David Hicks there.


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 9:57am:
Mohammad married a 6yo girl


This was a betrothal, not a marriage in the modern, Western sense of the word. They didn't live together as man and wife until years later when she had reached puberty - the recognised indicator of adulthood throughout most of human history.


Siddiq Conlon was the leader of Sharia4Australia calling for unconstitutional sharia law.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ShariahforAustralia

An organisation which pretty much consists of himself. He has been thrown out of other organisations, so started a groupf which he is probably the sole member.


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 1:25pm:
He likes his child porn.


How do you know this?


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 1:25pm:
There are many Sahih hadeeth by Bukhari that say Aisha was 9 when the marriage was consummated.
There are hadith that say she was playing with dolls which shows she was prepubescent.


Hate to be the one to break it to you, but having a doll is not a sign of not reaching puberty.










Aishah, herself said that she had already had her menses before she lived with the prophet, God's peace & blessings upon him.

Some people grow up quicker than others.

In the past, chronological age was not  seen as important as it is today, and people looked at biological factors to determine adulthood. Someone who reached puberty was generally thought of as old enough to marry.




Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 1:25pm:
Do you think 9 year old girls have reached puberty falah?


Some have. larger girls are more likely to reach puberty at an earlier age. Some girls don't reach puberty until 14.

Study finds girls reaching puberty at age nine
http://www.news.com.au/world/study-finds-girls-reaching-puberty-at-age-nine/story-e6frfkyi-1225879291745l


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 1:25pm:
Do you think men should be allowed to marry prepubescent girls falah?


Living together, no. Not before puberty. I believe that it is potentially harmful for girls to live with a man before as a wife before she reaches puberty.


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 1:25pm:
I have asked you for your opinion on the statutory rape laws in the west,do you think statutory rape laws are a good thing falah?


I think that the law should be amended. If a person has reached puberty, and wants to marry then why shouldn't they be allowed to? It is a breach of their human rights to deny them the right to marry when they have the biological need to do so.

If there is some form of protection for people who have not reached puberty, then this may be a good thing.


Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by freediver on Mar 19th, 2012 at 10:17pm

Quote:
Why would you raise this issue when, due to Islam's discouragement of slavery, slavery does not exist today in the Islamic world?


Interesting that you make this claim here, yet did not attempt ot make it in the other thread where I pointed out that slavery is only banned in the middle east because of foreign interference. In fact you even provided evidence that slavery does still exist in the middle east. Here is an example from you today pointing out the difference between banning and abolishing:


falah wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 9:30am:

Emma wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 10:50pm:
'The slave who becomes a concubine is considered like a wife, and the word for concubine in Arabic actually comes from the word for marriage'.


oh well ...that's OK then. :-?

Ummm - like it or not Falah....you and your kind live in the past.!

I can't bring to mind ANYTHING to do with slavery in my culture.... except  IT IS BANNED.

I know the loathsome practice continues in this best of all worlds,  >:( >:( :o but for you to respond to FD's q's in such a way is a wake-up.  I actually believe there are people of faith who see more clearly, the teachings of their creed. You are not one of them...  :P


Banned but not abolished. There are twice as many slaves in the West today as there in the Midle East.

The BBC tells us that there are 660,000 slaves in the West, only 360,000 in Middleast and north Africa.




freediver wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 12:48pm:

Quote:
Banned but not abolished. There are twice as many slaves in the West today as there in the Midle East.


The west is a big place Falah. This means slavery is less common in the west. Also, you seem to forget that the only reason slavery is illegal in the middle east is because of foreign interference.

It is kind of hypocritical to claim some kind of moral high ground for Islam because there are fewer slaves in the middle east, when this happened despite Islam and against Islam, not because of it. Meanwhile, if anyone criticises anything else about the middle east that is actually a result of Islam, you and Abu try to pretend that it is because of foreign interference instead.


Do you ever feel silly posting these things Falah?


Quote:
Hypothetically, Islam allows a man to have relationship with his female slaves similar to that a wife - a concubine.


Why is it only hypothetical? Because foreign interference has put an end to it?

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by falah on Mar 20th, 2012 at 9:40am

freediver wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 10:17pm:

Quote:
Why would you raise this issue when, due to Islam's discouragement of slavery, slavery does not exist today in the Islamic world?


Interesting that you make this claim here, yet did not attempt ot make it in the other thread where I pointed out that slavery is only banned in the middle east because of foreign interference. In fact you even provided evidence that slavery does still exist in the middle east. Here is an example from you today pointing out the difference between banning and abolishing:


falah wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 9:30am:

Emma wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 10:50pm:
'The slave who becomes a concubine is considered like a wife, and the word for concubine in Arabic actually comes from the word for marriage'.


oh well ...that's OK then. :-?

Ummm - like it or not Falah....you and your kind live in the past.!

I can't bring to mind ANYTHING to do with slavery in my culture.... except  IT IS BANNED.

I know the loathsome practice continues in this best of all worlds,  >:( >:( :o but for you to respond to FD's q's in such a way is a wake-up.  I actually believe there are people of faith who see more clearly, the teachings of their creed. You are not one of them...  :P


Banned but not abolished. There are twice as many slaves in the West today as there in the Midle East.

The BBC tells us that there are 660,000 slaves in the West, only 360,000 in Middleast and north Africa.




freediver wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 12:48pm:
[quote]Banned but not abolished. There are twice as many slaves in the West today as there in the Midle East.


The west is a big place Falah. This means slavery is less common in the west. Also, you seem to forget that the only reason slavery is illegal in the middle east is because of foreign interference.

It is kind of hypocritical to claim some kind of moral high ground for Islam because there are fewer slaves in the middle east, when this happened despite Islam and against Islam, not because of it. Meanwhile, if anyone criticises anything else about the middle east that is actually a result of Islam, you and Abu try to pretend that it is because of foreign interference instead.


Do you ever feel silly posting these things Falah?


Quote:
Hypothetically, Islam allows a man to have relationship with his female slaves similar to that a wife - a concubine.


Why is it only hypothetical? Because foreign interference has put an end to it?[/quote]

Slavery was already virtually non-existent in most countries in the Middle East prior to the US civil war.

It had little to do with Western involvement. Countires like Saudi and Iran have never been invaded by Western colonialists, yet had long given up slavery.

Why? Because Muslims are not allowed to make slaves from their fellow Muslims. Unlike slavery practiced in Europe, where millions of Christians had been enslaved by their fellow Christians, Muslims have never been allowed to enslave their fellow Muslims.

Compare this to Christian Europe where 10% of the Christian population of England was enslaved by their felllow Christians in 1081. Approximately 10–20% of the rural population of Carolingian Europe consisted of Christians enslaved by their fellow Christians.

In Russia, 23 million Christians were enslaved by their fellow Christians until government edict in 1861 (government slaves were not freed until 1866).

The fact is that islam discourages slavery, but allows it in some cases with dealing with a histile enemy.

As Islam spread across the known world, slavery became redundant in the central areas of Islamic world, and remained only on the fringes of the Islamic world.




In most of the last 500 years, slavery had largely been confined in the Islamic world to a small part of  Turkey, and the East and West coast of Africa, and in the farest parts of Indonesian archipelago, due to wars in those areas.

There had been little slavery ion the rest of the Islamic world for centuries.

1400 years ago there had been many slaves in places like Saudi Arabia, what had happened to them? They had been freed over time, as Islam encourages (and even in some cases orders) Muslims to free slaves.



The Western Method Of Dealing With hostile Enemies

Do you suppose the people of Hiroshima & Nagasaki would prefer the Western method?







West demonstrates "human rights" to Vietnam








West demonstrates "human rights" to Iraq





http://thewe.cc/thewei/&/&/images5/iraq_war_photos/ishaqi_children_massacre.jpe












West demonstrates "human rights" to Afghanistan















Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by freediver on Mar 20th, 2012 at 12:56pm
So why did you lie about whether slavery exists in the Islamic world today, when earlier on the very same day you had posted the stats about the existence of it?

Also, you do not appear to be contradicting my claim that slavery was only banned in the middle east because of foreign interference. Is that correct? Have you lost the ability to make the same distinction that you made earlier?

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Baronvonrort on Mar 20th, 2012 at 8:47pm

falah wrote on Mar 20th, 2012 at 9:40am:

freediver wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 10:17pm:

Quote:
Why would you raise this issue when, due to Islam's discouragement of slavery, slavery does not exist today in the Islamic world?


Interesting that you make this claim here, yet did not attempt ot make it in the other thread where I pointed out that slavery is only banned in the middle east because of foreign interference. In fact you even provided evidence that slavery does still exist in the middle east. Here is an example from you today pointing out the difference between banning and abolishing:


falah wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 9:30am:

Emma wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 10:50pm:
'The slave who becomes a concubine is considered like a wife, and the word for concubine in Arabic actually comes from the word for marriage'.


oh well ...that's OK then. :-?

Ummm - like it or not Falah....you and your kind live in the past.!

I can't bring to mind ANYTHING to do with slavery in my culture.... except  IT IS BANNED.

I know the loathsome practice continues in this best of all worlds,  >:( >:( :o but for you to respond to FD's q's in such a way is a wake-up.  I actually believe there are people of faith who see more clearly, the teachings of their creed. You are not one of them...  :P


Banned but not abolished. There are twice as many slaves in the West today as there in the Midle East.

The BBC tells us that there are 660,000 slaves in the West, only 360,000 in Middleast and north Africa.




freediver wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 12:48pm:
[quote]Banned but not abolished. There are twice as many slaves in the West today as there in the Midle East.


The west is a big place Falah. This means slavery is less common in the west. Also, you seem to forget that the only reason slavery is illegal in the middle east is because of foreign interference.

It is kind of hypocritical to claim some kind of moral high ground for Islam because there are fewer slaves in the middle east, when this happened despite Islam and against Islam, not because of it. Meanwhile, if anyone criticises anything else about the middle east that is actually a result of Islam, you and Abu try to pretend that it is because of foreign interference instead.


Do you ever feel silly posting these things Falah?

[quote]Hypothetically, Islam allows a man to have relationship with his female slaves similar to that a wife - a concubine.


Why is it only hypothetical? Because foreign interference has put an end to it?[/quote]


It had little to do with Western involvement. Countires like Saudi and Iran have never been invaded by Western colonialists, yet had long given up slavery.
The Saudis still had slavery in 1962 ,The muslims were still doing slavery when the west outlawed it

Why? Because Muslims are not allowed to make slaves from their fellow Muslims. Unlike slavery practiced in Europe, where millions of Christians had been enslaved by their fellow Christians, Muslims have never been allowed to enslave their fellow Muslims.
Islam preaches it is good to free muslim slaves,many hadeeth from Bukhari of muslims wanting to free a slave only to have Mohammad sell them.

The fact is that islam discourages slavery, but allows it in some cases with dealing with a histile enemy.
Can  you cite the verse from the Quran that prohibits muslims from taking non combatants as slaves.

There is no verse in the Quran that prohibits a muslim from taking a non combatant as a slave!


[/quote]

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Baronvonrort on Mar 20th, 2012 at 9:01pm

falah wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

falah wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 11:37am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 9:57am:
This guy is a revert to Islam just like Abu and Falah


Quote:
Muslim preacher Ibrahim Siddiq-Conlon charged with hoax mardi gras threat and possessing child abuse material

He has been charged with using a carriage service to make a hoax threat,possessing child abuse material and using a carriage service to access child pornography.

source-http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/muslim-preacher-ibrahim-muhammad-siddiq-conlon-charged-with-hoax-mardi-gras-threat-and-possessing-child-abuse-materials/story-fn7y9brv-1226299285109



There are thousands of reverts to Islam in Australia. Probably you think that we were all in Guantanamo Bay too because John Howard put David Hicks there.


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 9:57am:
Mohammad married a 6yo girl


This was a betrothal, not a marriage in the modern, Western sense of the word. They didn't live together as man and wife until years later when she had reached puberty - the recognised indicator of adulthood throughout most of human history.

Aisha said she was 9 when the marriage was consummated  is there a hadith that mentions her first menses?

Siddiq Conlon was the leader of Sharia4Australia calling for unconstitutional sharia law.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ShariahforAustralia

An organisation which pretty much consists of himself. He has been thrown out of other organisations, so started a groupf which he is probably the sole member.
He has over 150 friends on his youtube account and is associated with all the other groups wanting sharia law in the west


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 1:25pm:
He likes his child porn.


How do you know this?
He was charged with downloading child porn,


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 1:25pm:
There are many Sahih hadeeth by Bukhari that say Aisha was 9 when the marriage was consummated.
There are hadith that say she was playing with dolls which shows she was prepubescent.


Hate to be the one to break it to you, but having a doll is not a sign of not reaching puberty.
Those photos were of non muslim women, are muslm wome who have reached puberty allowed to play with dolls?

Aishah, herself said that she had already had her menses before she lived with the prophet, God's peace & blessings upon him.
Can you cite this verse?
She had her first menses long after Mo broke her in

Some people grow up quicker than others.
Pathetic excuse

In the past, chronological age was not  seen as important as it is today, and people looked at biological factors to determine adulthood. Someone who reached puberty was generally thought of as old enough to marry.




Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 1:25pm:
Do you think 9 year old girls have reached puberty falah?


Some have. larger girls are more likely to reach puberty at an earlier age. Some girls don't reach puberty until 14.

Study finds girls reaching puberty at age nine
http://www.news.com.au/world/study-finds-girls-reaching-puberty-at-age-nine/story-e6frfkyi-1225879291745l


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 1:25pm:
Do you think men should be allowed to marry prepubescent girls falah?


Living together, no. Not before puberty. I believe that it is potentially harmful for girls to live with a man before as a wife before she reaches puberty.
So when a 10 year old girl reaches puberty then it is ok for a girl to live with a man as his wife?


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 1:25pm:
I have asked you for your opinion on the statutory rape laws in the west,do you think statutory rape laws are a good thing falah?


I think that the law should be amended. If a person has reached puberty, and wants to marry then why shouldn't they be allowed to? It is a breach of their human rights to deny them the right to marry when they have the biological need to do so.
So you dont see a problem with a 25 year old man marrying a 10 year old girl who has gone through puberty?


Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by freediver on Mar 20th, 2012 at 9:39pm

Quote:
So you dont see a problem with a 25 year old man marrying a 10 year old girl who has gone through puberty?


That's a bit old don't you think? Under an Islamic system few 25 year olds would be able to afford it. The whole supply and demand thing gets a bit out of whack with one man and four wives.

Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Baronvonrort on May 13th, 2012 at 6:59pm

freediver wrote on Mar 20th, 2012 at 9:39pm:

Quote:
So you dont see a problem with a 25 year old man marrying a 10 year old girl who has gone through puberty?


That's a bit old don't you think? Under an Islamic system few 25 year olds would be able to afford it. The whole supply and demand thing gets a bit out of whack with one man and four wives.


I used an example of under 25 so it would not sound so bad.

Here is a 80 year old Saudi marrying a 12 year old child-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8493402.stm

Nujood Ali became well known for getting divorced at age 10 and now she speaks out against child marriages, i guess she did not enjoy her first marriage.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/04/nujood-ali-12-year-old-di_n_485952.html

Falah should point out sex slaves are halal for men along with child brides when doing his dawaganda.


Title: Re: Islam- sex slaves are halal for men
Post by Baronvonrort on Oct 11th, 2012 at 11:16am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ek3xKKnKvQ

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