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Message started by imcrookonit on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 12:15pm

Title: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 12:15pm
MELBOURNE'S lord mayor has been accused of overreacting to an anti-greed protest that has encircled the globe, by ordering police in riot gear to remove protesters from their tent city yesterday.   :-?

Police denied they had used excessive force and heavy-handed tactics in clashes with the 100-odd protesters who had been camped out in the City Square for a week.

But their action, in which more than 95 people were arrested, was criticised by protesters and local Greens MPs.   :(


''It's the worst response to peaceful people sitting down talking that I think we've ever seen,'' said Occupy Melbourne's Nick Carson . ''Why couldn't (Mayor) Robert Doyle have just come down and talked to his constituents?''

Greens MP Adam Bandt, the federal member for Melbourne, said: ''[Premier] Ted Baillieu and [Lord Mayor] Robert Doyle have made a huge blunder by sending in the police, turning a week-long non-violent protest into a site of confrontation.''   :(

A defiant Cr Doyle last night told The Saturday Age the protesters were ''arrogant liars'' who had deceived police when they told them earlier in the week that they would move peacefully if required to.


He labelled the protests the most pointless he's seen in Melbourne. ''Looking at the anger and violence on the faces of the protesters [it was clear] a number of them simply wanted to fight police.''

He said the protesters' ''little self-indulgent moment in the sunshine'', had disrupted dozens of businesses and forced the cancellation of an awards ceremony at the Town Hall to acknowledge schools that had helped fight poverty.

''In the name of acting for the little people and the battlers, they have prevented the very people they purport to represent from being celebrated.''


About 100 campers defied an order from Melbourne City Council to leave the square by 9am and ignored repeated requests to move on. Police, including officers from the mounted branch, dog squad and public order response team, moved in to disperse the crowd at around midday. Police ranks eventually swelled to 400.   :-?

Officers were dragging people along the ground and carrying others by their arms and legs and loading them into the back of police vans en masse while threats of arrest were met with chants of ''we can't hear you!''.

Angry scuffles broke out in the middle of the CBD, blocking trams and drawing hundreds of protesters and spectators onto the road. Police on horseback were used to try to disperse the crowd.

The protesters were moved slowly to the middle of Swanston Street, their numbers growing as people gathered to watch, and in some cases, joined in.

By 4.30pm, a phalanx of police, with the front line in full riot gear, had forcefully moved the protesters along Swanston Street towards Trades Hall in Lygon Street. Those who refused to move or who took on the police were dragged behind the front line, some kicking and screaming.

Many bystanders were forcibly pushed aside. Greens MP Colleen Hartland, who was there as an observer, said: ''Police in riot gear just started to push me and once that happened I decided that I would be joining in.''   :(

Assistant Commissioner Stephen Fontana said police had tried to use minimum force and protesters were given plenty of time to make their point and leave. ''We don't really want to engage in this sort of activity but we're not going to back down either,'' he said.

Occupy Melbourne organisers have vowed to continue protesting. Last night, the remains of the protesters had gathered at Trades Hall.

Responding to Cr Doyle's comments, Occupy Melbourne spokesman Carl Scrase said the mayor was not in touch with reality and that he should look at clips of the clashes on Youtube.

''It's obvious there was extreme police brutality, everyone saw it,'' he said.   :(

One protester was taken to hospital. Police said two police officers suffered minor injuries and eight of their cars were damaged.


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 12:19pm
Police used pepper spray to control some people.

Protester Jackson Sweet-Kirkwood, 19, said he was sprayed after trying to help someone who had fallen over as police advanced. ''It was unnecessary because we were moving back as fast as we could,'' he said, while pouring water over his bloodshot eyes.   :(

Premier Ted Baillieu last night declined to comment on the chaos, with a spokeswoman saying it was a matter for police.

A spokeswoman for Police Minister and Deputy Premier Peter Ryan said: ''The police have worked within the law to remove protesters and they're continuing to work within their powers to keep peace and good order within the CBD.''   :-?

Earlier, Mr Doyle had told 3AW the protesters had been allowed to make their point and ''the time has come for us to return City Square to the people of Melbourne''.

A massive security operation will be deployed next week in Perth to contain protesters at the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting - the largest gathering of world leaders ever held in Australia.

The CHOGM Action Network will be involved in a march which will at one point enter into the event's ''security zone'', though they do not expect their to be clashes with police.

They will then finish in the CBD, where they will stage an ''Occupy Perth'' event.   :)

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/doyle-accused-of-heavyhandedness-in-halting-occupation-20111021-1mck9.html#ixzz1bTO5FgHg

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by philperth2010 on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 12:27pm
No right wing protest has ever been stopped by order of the Premier or Prime Minister. Yet we see a Conservative Government do just that to peacful demonstrators, how disgusting!

My problem is freedom of speech and the right to protest. What sort of Government treats people like this?

This is the sort of crap we expect from the Middle East against its protestors and look at how we hate those bastards that treat protestors like criminals?

Peacful protest is a right, the Victorian Government are wrong and should be condemned by everyone who holds democracy and freedom as a basic right to all Australian's.

This was a disgusting act by the Victorian Government who should be condemned by Mr. Abbott, after all it was Abbott that told Australian's to rise up in a people's revolt against Government policy.

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy (1917 - 1963), In a speech at the White House, 1962



Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 12:28pm
United March Against the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting
"For Justice and Climate Action not Racism and War"
Friday October 28 @ 10am
Forrest Place, Perth CBD

Between 28 and 30 October 2011, politicians and businesspeople from 54 Commonwealth nations will attend the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) at the Perth Convention Centre. The Chogm Action Network (CAN) is calling for a peaceful protest march on CHOGM starting 10am on Friday 28 October (the public holiday for the first day of CHOGM).

We will be marching for justice and climate action NOT racism and war.

We will be raising the following demands:
* for Aboriginal Rights (Stop black deaths in custody; support Aboriginal sovereignty)
* End mandatory detention of refugees
* Stop the war in Afghanistan
* Build Renewable Energy now

Get more information on the Chogm Action Network website:
http://www.chogmprotest.org

If you're coming from out of Perth, let us know:
http://www.chogmprotest.org/contact/interstate-register

The United March on CHOGM will be joined on the day by the final leg of the Footprints for Peace walk away from uranium. Anti-nuclear marchers will gather at City Farm in East Perth and march the final leg of the six week long walk into the main CHOGM protest.

The Chogm Action Network is also helping to promote the Reclaim the Night march against sexual violence (Empire of Violence: women strike back) meeting 5pm at the Cultural Centre.

Organised by the Chogm Action Network

Supported by: Australia-Cuba Friendship Society, Bellotti Support Group, Deaths In Custody Watch Committee, Equal Love, Human Rights Alliance, Footprints for Peace, Friends of Palestine WA, Refugee Rights Action Network, Reclaim the Night, Revolutionary Socialist Party, Safe Climate Perth, Socialist Alliance, Socialist Alternative, Solidarity Perth.

Occupy Perth
Friday October 28th @ 10am
Perth CBD (tbc)
Preparations are being made by a broad coalition of individuals and groups in Perth to establish an occupation in the Perth CBD as of the 28th of October. This action is in solidarity with the hundreds of occupations occuring around the world in recognition that our global financial system is inherently geared towards making the 1% richer at the expense of the rest of society and the environment on which we depend.

This action is for anyone who believes that the world needs to change, for anyone standing up for the rights of ordinary working people, for refugees rights, for womens liberation, for students rights, for all rights trampled on by a system that prioritises profits over people and planet.


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 12:46pm
Police violence in Melbourne. Thank you Australian Police for helping our cause.

so unnecessary and unprovoked!


http://video.heraldsun.com.au/2157468584/Occupy-Melbourne-protest-chaos


It is our democratic right to protest.






Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Belgarion on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 1:13pm
I see the professional agitators have once again runied a legitimate demonstration.  These ferals take over and provoke conflict, then whinge that heavy handed tactics are being used against them.  ::)

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 1:56pm

Belgarion wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 1:13pm:
I see the professional agitators have once again runied a legitimate demonstration.  These ferals take over and provoke conflict, then whinge that heavy handed tactics are being used against them.  ::)




The cops were trying to goad them into a confrontation, the trouble is that we are slap bang in the middle of the electronic age where there is a camera in every hand. I have not seen one picture of a single protester doing anything illegal, and I've looked at heaps of film.

Show me a pic of ferals taking over and causing trouble and I will believe you.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Gist on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 2:14pm
Reports I've read have said it was all peaceful until police moved in with horses and such to forcibly move people out. Then it all went to custard.

Did that mayor really say he wanted to return City Square to the people of Melbourne? Who did he think were in City Square?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 2:27pm

Gist wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 2:14pm:
Reports I've read have said it was all peaceful until police moved in with horses and such to forcibly move people out. Then it all went to custard.

Did that mayor really say he wanted to return City Square to the people of Melbourne? Who did he think were in City Square?



The protesters were peaceful, they were man-handled, goaded, bullied and injured by a brutal police force with instructions from??????? no idea who was behind the police brutality. The Mayor maybe???? Councillors???? anyway there is plenty of film to prove that the protesters were peaceful.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by qikvtec on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 2:32pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 1:56pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 1:13pm:
I see the professional agitators have once again runied a legitimate demonstration.  These ferals take over and provoke conflict, then whinge that heavy handed tactics are being used against them.  ::)




The cops were trying to goad them into a confrontation, the trouble is that we are slap bang in the middle of the electronic age where there is a camera in every hand. I have not seen one picture of a single protester doing anything illegal, and I've looked at heaps of film.

Show me a pic of ferals taking over and causing trouble and I will believe you.


Fairly confident the protesters wouldn't film it if they were up to no good.

The problem with the whole movement is that with a lack of leadership, or even a tangible cause, they attract fringe lunatics that generally get aggressive in their approach and in the process distance the very people the majority of these protesters are trying to support.  

They should really count themselves lucky, 10 years ago the Victorian police would have shot them.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by qikvtec on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 2:49pm

Gist wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 2:14pm:
Reports I've read have said it was all peaceful until police moved in with horses and such to forcibly move people out. Then it all went to custard.

Did that mayor really say he wanted to return City Square to the people of Melbourne? Who did he think were in City Square?


About .001%

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 2:55pm
Any youtube videos of people being clubbed half to death?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 4:28pm

qikvtec wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 2:32pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 1:56pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 1:13pm:
I see the professional agitators have once again runied a legitimate demonstration.  These ferals take over and provoke conflict, then whinge that heavy handed tactics are being used against them.  ::)




The cops were trying to goad them into a confrontation, the trouble is that we are slap bang in the middle of the electronic age where there is a camera in every hand. I have not seen one picture of a single protester doing anything illegal, and I've looked at heaps of film.

Show me a pic of ferals taking over and causing trouble and I will believe you.


Fairly confident the protesters wouldn't film it if they were up to no good.

The problem with the whole movement is that with a lack of leadership, or even a tangible cause, they attract fringe lunatics that generally get aggressive in their approach and in the process distance the very people the majority of these protesters are trying to support.  

They should really count themselves lucky, 10 years ago the Victorian police would have shot them.


I've looked at footage from the protesters and the media and not one aggressive protester was seen. I'm sure the Herald Sun would have filmed any trouble makers.

It makes no difference if you agree or disagree with the protests, they have the right to free speech that comes with our laws, the laws of being part of a democratic society.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by qikvtec on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:00pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 4:28pm:

qikvtec wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 2:32pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 1:56pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 1:13pm:
I see the professional agitators have once again runied a legitimate demonstration.  These ferals take over and provoke conflict, then whinge that heavy handed tactics are being used against them.  ::)




The cops were trying to goad them into a confrontation, the trouble is that we are slap bang in the middle of the electronic age where there is a camera in every hand. I have not seen one picture of a single protester doing anything illegal, and I've looked at heaps of film.

Show me a pic of ferals taking over and causing trouble and I will believe you.


Fairly confident the protesters wouldn't film it if they were up to no good.

The problem with the whole movement is that with a lack of leadership, or even a tangible cause, they attract fringe lunatics that generally get aggressive in their approach and in the process distance the very people the majority of these protesters are trying to support.  

They should really count themselves lucky, 10 years ago the Victorian police would have shot them.


I've looked at footage from the protesters and the media and not one aggressive protester was seen. I'm sure the Herald Sun would have filmed any trouble makers.

It makes no difference if you agree or disagree with the protests, they have the right to free speech that comes with our laws, the laws of being part of a democratic society.


They sure do, as do the rest of the population have the right to enjoy the peaceful amenity of public open spaces.  They were asked to move on, some fired up, things got ugly.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:06pm
Qikvtec

Quote:
They sure do, as do the rest of the population have the right to enjoy the peaceful amenity of public open spaces.
They were asked to move on, some fired up, things got ugly.


I don't agree.
A public place is by definition a place where the public can go.
The police should have no right to tell someone to leave a public place.
This is a police state - no better than Saddam or Ghadaffi's regime.
Free society - a lot of bullshit!

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by qikvtec on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:15pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:06pm:
Qikvtec

Quote:
They sure do, as do the rest of the population have the right to enjoy the peaceful amenity of public open spaces.
They were asked to move on, some fired up, things got ugly.


I don't agree.
A public place is by definition a place where the public can go.
The police should have no right to tell someone to leave a public place.
This is a police state - no better than Saddam or Ghadaffi's regime.
Free society - a lot of bullshit!


Absolutely and feel free to do whatever you enjoy (provided it's legal or you won't get caught) until your hearts content, but prevent the rest of us from enjoying the amenity of the space and you should be moved on, resist and you will "enjoy" the consequences. Police Batten v Human Bone is a lesson in physics you'd never forget.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:19pm
How were the protesters preventing anyone from enjoying the public space?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Google on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:21pm
my friend saw cop cars driving past him really quickly and he wanted to drop all his groceries and go photograph the carnage (he is really enjoying this as he hates the protestors)

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:47pm

qikvtec wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:06pm:
Qikvtec

Quote:
They sure do, as do the rest of the population have the right to enjoy the peaceful amenity of public open spaces.
They were asked to move on, some fired up, things got ugly.


I don't agree.
A public place is by definition a place where the public can go.
The police should have no right to tell someone to leave a public place.
This is a police state - no better than Saddam or Ghadaffi's regime.
Free society - a lot of bullshit!


Absolutely and feel free to do whatever you enjoy (provided it's legal or you won't get caught) until your hearts content, but prevent the rest of us from enjoying the amenity of the space and you should be moved on, resist and you will "enjoy" the consequences.
Police Batten v Human Bone is a lesson in physics you'd never forget




Another lesson is the Nazis.
It's amazing that we put the Nazis down as being ruthless thugs but it's not
hard to find a policman anywhere in the world who is prepared
to beat an unarmed civilian to death with a batton.
Nazis are with us all the time.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by qikvtec on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:54pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:19pm:
How were the protesters preventing anyone from enjoying the public space?


The foul stench of patchouli would have been enough for me.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Pete on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:05pm

qikvtec wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:15pm:
Police Batten v Human Bone is a lesson in physics you'd never forget


I can vouch for that.

It's been about 35 odd years but given the crap coming from Abbott's mouth I'd be prepared to cop a reminder.


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:07pm
I'd be prepared to give you one.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by qikvtec on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:10pm

Uncle wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:05pm:

qikvtec wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:15pm:
Police Batten v Human Bone is a lesson in physics you'd never forget


I can vouch for that.

It's been about 35 odd years but given the crap coming from Abbott's mouth I'd be prepared to cop a reminder.


;D

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by qikvtec on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:11pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:07pm:
I'd be prepared to give you one.


;D

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:16pm
Only in Melbourne, the police are working with the protesters at the other rallies.

So far anyway, until they set up outside of CHOGM headquarters in Perth.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Pete on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:17pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:07pm:
I'd be prepared to give you one.


You can PM me


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:19pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:16pm:
Only in Melbourne, the police are working with the protesters at the other rallies.

So far anyway, until they set up outside of CHOGM headquarters in Perth.


And Nazi police will be easily found to give them a good bashing.
Notice the cops never wear their police numbers when they bash people?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by hawil on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:51pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 12:46pm:
Police violence in Melbourne. Thank you Australian Police for helping our cause.

so unnecessary and unprovoked!


http://video.heraldsun.com.au/2157468584/Occupy-Melbourne-protest-chaos


It is our democratic right to protest.

It may be our Democratic right to protest, but we have no Democracy; Democracies have been hijacked by the Elite in this world for their own benefit and turned Democracies into Plutocracies, and the Mayor of Melbourne as well as Police Commissioner will not allow their high salaries be threatened by the common citizens.
Most of the top brass in the public service are now getting paid close,  to half a million because they consider that they are underpaid relative to the overpaid executives in the private sector, which again consider themselves being underpaid to the executives in the USA.
The Politicians are also in for a huge pay rise, by trying to fuse the electoral allowance into a salary rise, then  benefitting extra by the 15% super they get paid on top of their salaries.
Talk about Democracy, what Democracy?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by qikvtec on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:58pm

hawil wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:51pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 12:46pm:
Police violence in Melbourne. Thank you Australian Police for helping our cause.

so unnecessary and unprovoked!


http://video.heraldsun.com.au/2157468584/Occupy-Melbourne-protest-chaos


It is our democratic right to protest.

It may be our Democratic right to protest, but we have no Democracy; Democracies have been hijacked by the Elite in this world for their own benefit and turned Democracies into Plutocracies, and the Mayor of Melbourne as well as Police Commissioner will not allow their high salaries be threatened by the common citizens.
Most of the top brass in the public service are now getting paid close,  to half a million because they consider that they are underpaid relative to the overpaid executives in the private sector, which again consider themselves being underpaid to the executives in the USA.
The Politicians are also in for a huge pay rise, by trying to fuse the electoral allowance into a salary rise, then  benefitting extra by the 15% super they get paid on top of their salaries.
Talk about Democracy, what Democracy?


Operational Qld police members get 18% super + a 6% compulsory contribution.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Pete on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:08pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:19pm:
Notice the cops never wear their police numbers when they bash people?


The one that gave me a touch up didn't have his number on.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:45pm

Uncle wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:19pm:
Notice the cops never wear their police numbers when they bash people?


The one that gave me a touch up didn't have his number on.



Typical - but you can't drive your car without a number plate.
Police normally display a number.
They are permitted to remove it when ordered to bash people.
There should be a Royal commission.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Lisa on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:49pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:45pm:

Uncle wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:19pm:
Notice the cops never wear their police numbers when they bash people?


The one that gave me a touch up didn't have his number on.



Typical - but you can't drive your car without a number plate.
Police normally display a number.
They are permitted to remove it when ordered to bash people.
There should be a Royal commission.


Bobby .. have you any idea how much these commissions cost  taxpayers?

We've already been saddled with a carbon tax.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Pete on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 8:45pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:49pm:
Bobby .. have you any idea how much these commissions cost  taxpayers?

We've already been saddled with a carbon tax.


Wrong. It's an ETS.

And yeah you're right Royal Commission's are very pricey. I think the badge removal may be standard police procedure in certain circumstances. I've been to outdoor concerts where there has been a police presence and they had their badges off. In the bushfires of 1994 the police evacuated people up here and these guys also had their badges off.
It may be a safety issue - I dunno.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 8:54pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:45pm:

Uncle wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:19pm:
Notice the cops never wear their police numbers when they bash people?


The one that gave me a touch up didn't have his number on.



Typical - but you can't drive your car without a number plate.
Police normally display a number.
They are permitted to remove it when ordered to bash people.
There should be a Royal commission.


Bobby .. have you any idea how much these commissions cost  taxpayers?

We've already been saddled with a carbon tax.



But I believe it's a crime to remove a badge so that you can't be identified
when ordered to bash people.

Charge: Perverting the course of justice

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 9:24pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 8:54pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:45pm:

Uncle wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:19pm:
Notice the cops never wear their police numbers when they bash people?


The one that gave me a touch up didn't have his number on.



Typical - but you can't drive your car without a number plate.
Police normally display a number.
They are permitted to remove it when ordered to bash people.
There should be a Royal commission.


Bobby .. have you any idea how much these commissions cost  taxpayers?

We've already been saddled with a carbon tax.



But I believe it's a crime to remove a badge so that you can't be identified
when ordered to bash people.

Charge: Perverting the course of justice


Police badges don't really have numbers anymore, at least not the chest worn ones (warrant cards and wallet carried do).....besides which, if the police are wearing body armor, the badge would be underneath....

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Verge on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 9:59pm
Cant wait till next week when all the ferals are broadcast across the world behaving like idiots.

They said they would move on peacefully if asked to do so.  They were asked and refused.

Bring it on, if you have a week to sit in a park protesting bullshit when you should be out actually working, I say you need some sense knocked into you.

100 people, such a strong turnout.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Verge on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 10:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:45pm:

Uncle wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:19pm:
Notice the cops never wear their police numbers when they bash people?


The one that gave me a touch up didn't have his number on.



Typical - but you can't drive your car without a number plate.
Police normally display a number.
They are permitted to remove it when ordered to bash people.
There should be a Royal commission.

A royal commission hey, yeah, I see that bringing the cost of wages to the public service down.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 10:33pm

Uncle wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:17pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:07pm:
I'd be prepared to give you one.


You can PM me



Yes, okay. Why don't you hold your breath while you're waiting?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Pete on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 10:39pm
But then I'll fill up with CO2  :o

Oh hang on - apparently that's safe. Ok then. Michael Hutchence must have done it wrong...

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by dsmithy70 on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 11:36pm
When I think back 3 weeks to the upset the negative judgement on poor old Andrew invoked, howls of protest at the repression of the right to publicly bag people with lies,yet when a genuine free speech issue happens there's bugger all angst.
We'd have 15 threads on the issue if the police moved on anti carbon tax protesters in this way.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:11am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 9:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 8:54pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:45pm:

Uncle wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:19pm:
Notice the cops never wear their police numbers when they bash people?


The one that gave me a touch up didn't have his number on.



Typical - but you can't drive your car without a number plate.
Police normally display a number.
They are permitted to remove it when ordered to bash people.
There should be a Royal commission.


Bobby .. have you any idea how much these commissions cost  taxpayers?

We've already been saddled with a carbon tax.



But I believe it's a crime to remove a badge so that you can't be identified
when ordered to bash people.

Charge: Perverting the course of justice


Police badges don't really have numbers anymore, at least not the chest worn ones (warrant cards and wallet carried do).....besides which, if the police are wearing body armor,
the badge would be underneath....



Gizmo,
How convenient - like mud on your car number plate.
You must be a simpleton.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by philperth2010 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:37am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 11:36pm:
When I think back 3 weeks to the upset the negative judgement on poor old Andrew invoked, howls of protest at the repression of the right to publicly bag people with lies,yet when a genuine free speech issue happens there's bugger all angst.
We'd have 15 threads on the issue if the police moved on anti carbon tax protesters in this way.


Conservatives react with such naked aggression when faced with opposition.....Police where doing the bidding of their master!!!

>:(

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Grey on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:30am

Belgarion wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 1:13pm:
I see the professional agitators have once again runied a legitimate demonstration.  These ferals take over and provoke conflict, then whinge that heavy handed tactics are being used against them.  ::)


Yeah, the professionals that turn up tooled up to the eyeballs with gas, visored helmets, clubs, shields, body armour, dogs and horses that look like they're taking part in some medieval pageant. They just set about the peaceful people in t/shirts and carrying paper banners. Every protest there's more of the thugs, better armed. It's a wonder nothing's done about it. It's not difficult to spot the trouble makers.

Somebody should do something about it like they do in Europe. WhiteOverallsMovementBuildingLiberatedEnvironments&Spaces
(WOMBLES) http://www.sheffieldmayday.ukf.net/articles/wombles.htm

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Grey on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 4:13am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0O3IzafwAE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B738EhrBPI8&feature=related

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Amadd on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 4:57am
Fchu the police, they don't speak for us, never have.

Leave the uni students (or whoever) to try to reclaim a few rights.

We all know it, and we definitely should be wise enough by now to know it without being told.

What we are is way too apathetic, and way too entrapped to voice our own opinion about where our "so-called" democratic capitalist society is taking us.

I pity the kids of the future who cannot stand up and make a fight of it, because the future has a plan for them, and that plan is called "slavery".


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 5:24am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 1:56pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 1:13pm:
I see the professional agitators have once again runied a legitimate demonstration.  These ferals take over and provoke conflict, then whinge that heavy handed tactics are being used against them.  ::)




The cops were trying to goad them into a confrontation, the trouble is that we are slap bang in the middle of the electronic age where there is a camera in every hand. I have not seen one picture of a single protester doing anything illegal, and I've looked at heaps of film.

Show me a pic of ferals taking over and causing trouble and I will believe you.


Talk about ignorance! There was an order from the Mayor of Melbourne ordering them to vacate the "camp" they had illegaly set up. They were given quite a lot of notice to leave and when the deadline passed, they linked arms in an attempt to make their removal as difficult as possible.

You say you didn't see anyone doing anything illegal. I saw everyone in that camp doing something illegal - defying an order to move on by the mayor of Melbourne. They were given ample time to make their voice heard and were given ample time to pack up and leave peacefully. They obviously had no intention of doing so. I've seen video footage too and the Police showed remarkable restraint in the face of sheer idiocy.

Given that, Police were left with no choice but to use some force to remove the protestors one-by-one. There was no excessive force used. In fact, I am suprised they didn't get out the water cannon. These professional agitators went there looking for a fight and came off second-best.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 5:53am
You just do as Alan tells you and don't interfere, and for goodness sake drink the cool aid like a good little brain-washed citizen.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 5:57am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 5:53am:
You just do as Alan tells you and don't interfere, and for goodness sake drink the cool aid like a good little brain-washed citizen.


Half of those half-wits involved in the protest no doubt had no idea what the protest was about. Same goes for Sydney. Seen the list of demands? What a farce!

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 6:42am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 5:57am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 5:53am:
You just do as Alan tells you and don't interfere, and for goodness sake drink the cool aid like a good little brain-washed citizen.


Half of those half-wits involved in the protest no doubt had no idea what the protest was about. Same goes for Sydney. Seen the list of demands? What a farce!



You just stay in that armchair and don't worry your little head about the protesters. Some people should be allowed out and others should stay inside where they belong. It's safer for all that way. Your job, in the scheme of things is to express your opinions on an internet forum. Good work! well done! the country is a better place for having you in it, pat yourself on the back or wherever else you like a pat.

Your job is done, good for you.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Time on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:01am
The protesters are lucky more force wasn't used. The scum was given warning to leave the premises because they were illegally camping.

None of that protesting scum represent me.

Go get a job and work hard for your money like everyone else does.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by dsmithy70 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:25am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:01am:
The protesters are lucky more force wasn't used. The scum was given warning to leave the premises because they were illegally camping.

None of that protesting scum represent me.

Go get a job and work hard for your money like everyone else does.



Well thank you for your well informed generalisation.
Come back to us with an opinion if you can be bothered to find out what you are talking about.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:48am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:01am:
The protesters are lucky more force wasn't used. The scum was given warning to leave the premises because they were illegally camping.

None of that protesting scum represent me.

Go get a job and work hard for your money like everyone else does.



Where is the scum that represents you?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 10:00am
Forty people have been arrested during what protesters say was a violent dawn police raid on the Occupy Sydney site in the CBD.   :(

Police, including riot squad officers, raided the site at Martin Place shortly before 5am and cleared the area of more than 100 protesters.
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Activists said police bashed and manhandled protesters who refused to leave the camp and confiscated their possessions amid violent scenes.   :(

Forty people were arrested and 29 of those were issued with infringement notices for breaching a local government act, police said in a statement.

Four people are expected to be charged with assaulting police and seven were issued filed court attendance notices for breaching a local government act.

Occupy Sydney spokesman Mark Goudkamp condemned what he said was excessive police force in breaking up the camp.

"I saw bloody noses, I saw police throwing punches and I myself was put into a wrist lock like I have never experienced before - I was screaming in pain," Mr Goudkamp said.  >:(

"Police were clearly on a mission to get us out of there and they used whatever force they decided was necessary."

The raid came after two protesters were charged with assaulting police and resisting arrest last night.

A police officer was treated for lacerations to his head after he was allegedly struck with a metal torch.

Hundreds of protesters have been gathered at Martin Place over the last week as part of a global campaign against capitalist greed.

On Friday, there were violent scenes at the Occupy Melbourne site, with 100 people arrested as they were forcefully evicted from their City Square campsite.   :(

NSW police said the protesters only had approval to protest for two hours on October 15 and said activists had repeatedly ignored police directions to move on.

"The NSW police force this week attempted to negotiate a peaceful solution to the standoff, but were rebuffed," a statement said.

"While the NSW police respect the right for people to protest and free speech, police maintain the protest breached City of Sydney regulations."

Mr Goudkamp said he was disappointed the Sydney protest had ended so badly, but said the movement would continue.

"We were there for a over a week, which is cause for celebration," he said. "And the movement is still very much alive, and will continue, even if it is in another form."

However, there are no immediate plans to return to Martin Place.

"Police have made it clear they will do the exact same thing again if we return," Mr Goudkamp said.

Instead, protesters will meet at University of Technology Sydney (UTS) at 5pm (AEDT) on Sunday to discuss what they will do next.   :-?



Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Kat on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 10:08am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:48am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:01am:
The protesters are lucky more force wasn't used. The scum was given warning to leave the premises because they were illegally camping.

None of that protesting scum represent me.

Go get a job and work hard for your money like everyone else does.



Where is the scum that represents you?





10/10.

Laughing my guts up!!!

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 10:11am

When good people do nothing

Fornication heads prevail!

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 10:16am
VICTORIA Police and the City of Melbourne are facing legal action over the alleged use of ''unlawful and excessive'' force to break up global anti-greed protests that are continuing peacefully in Sydney and Brisbane.   :-?

Lawyers acting for protesters who claim they were kicked and punched by police in riot gear have called on the state government to hold an inquiry into the actions of authorities.

Police command would review video footage ''to ensure police acted within their training'' in forcibly removing protesters from City Square last Friday, a spokeswoman said.




Lord mayor Robert Doyle remained unrepentant over the council's decision to evict Occupy Melbourne protesters from their tent city. They were a ''self-indulgent rabble'' who reneged on promises to leave peacefully after their week-long ''mindless shriek of protest'', he told The Sunday Age.

''These are very selfish, duplicitous people … We had an actual assurance from them during the course of the week from continual negotiations with our officers and police that if we gave them reasonable notice they would pack up and go. We acted in good faith.

''They bleat about their rights. What about the rights of the 800,000 people who use the city?''

The protest had stopped other public events in the square and disrupted surrounding businesses, he said. ''These people were hell bent on disrupting the vast majority of people.''

About 400 protesters returned to the CBD yesterday and marched to Trades Hall without incident under an escort of more than 200 police.

''Victoria Police supports the right of all people to protest in a peaceful manner,'' said Assistant Commissioner Stephen Fontana.

Protesters have suggested setting up a new camp in Treasury Gardens this week.   :-?

Similar protests in Sydney and Brisbane have been allowed to continue. Protesters in Sydney's Martin Place yesterday thanked police for their ''consideration''. Lord mayor Clover Moore said she supported ''the right of people to protest and share concerns about wealth disparity and growing poverty''.

Liberty Victoria president Spencer Zifcak said Victoria looked ''foolish and somewhat authoritarian''. He called for an urgent review into the handling of the protest by the government, City of Melbourne and police. ''If you are serious about human rights, we have to uphold the right of free speech and freedom of assembly.'' He said the council should have negotiated an alternative location for the protesters.

Premier Ted Baillieu has made no comment about Friday's events. A spokeswoman for Police Minister Peter Ryan said ''the force believed it had acted within its powers to keep order''.

On Friday, police arrested 95 people after protesters defied an order from Melbourne City Council to leave the square by 9am, but later released them without charge on condition they not enter the CBD for 48 hours. ''Police used the least amount of force possible for removing protesters from the City Square,'' a spokeswoman said.

Lawyers acting for protesters have collected statements from at least 25 people who claim they were injured by police, in preparation for possible legal action. Lawyer Matt Wilson, of Robert Stary Lawyers, said: ''We've seen capsicum spray used on people, we've seen police on horses charging over the tops of protesters, which raises potential criminal and civil issues.''   :(

Australian Lawyers Alliance president Greg Barns said his members would assist protesters in making compensation claims against police over alleged ''excessive violence''.

He also questioned the legality of the removal and destruction by council officers of protesters' personal possessions.

Among the protesters who marched in the city yesterday were Blackburn couple Neil and Jacinta Gibson, whose 18-year-old son was allegedly assaulted by police a day earlier.   :(

Year 12 student Jeremy had been linking arms with other protesters on the corner of Swanston and Collins streets when he was thrown down and his head was repeatedly pushed on the road, they said. He was held in a police cell for several hours and refused medical attention, they said. ''I can't believe this could happen in Australia,'' Mr Gibson said.   :(

The family was considering legal action but was yet to file a complaint.


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 10:17am
Does anyone know a good lawyer?.   :)

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Dnarever on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 10:26am
In a more serious note - this has been a problem for a long time.

The police are too willing to get involved in unrequired areas to support local bureaucracy for little or no reason, they almost always respond with excessive force and create a problem where none existed.

The police should be making their own assessments and reasonable ongoing discussion with trained specialists and not the one size fits all boots and all approach, they should not be at the beck and call of the Hitler class administrators.

They do not work for local councils and should not be drawn into reasonable peaceful protest as it only damages their reputation and credibility.

They invariably act poorly when confronted with this type of scenario – the police clearly act with excessive violence in breach of our laws which only serves to inflame a situation where they previously were not required.  

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 11:55am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:11am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 9:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 8:54pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:45pm:

Uncle wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:19pm:
Notice the cops never wear their police numbers when they bash people?


The one that gave me a touch up didn't have his number on.



Typical - but you can't drive your car without a number plate.
Police normally display a number.
They are permitted to remove it when ordered to bash people.
There should be a Royal commission.


Bobby .. have you any idea how much these commissions cost  taxpayers?

We've already been saddled with a carbon tax.



But I believe it's a crime to remove a badge so that you can't be identified
when ordered to bash people.

Charge: Perverting the course of justice


Police badges don't really have numbers anymore, at least not the chest worn ones (warrant cards and wallet carried do).....besides which, if the police are wearing body armor,
the badge would be underneath....



Gizmo,
How convenient - like mud on your car number plate.
You must be a simpleton.


No, just realist....

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Time on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:12pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:25am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:01am:
The protesters are lucky more force wasn't used. The scum was given warning to leave the premises because they were illegally camping.

None of that protesting scum represent me.

Go get a job and work hard for your money like everyone else does.



Well thank you for your well informed generalisation.
Come back to us with an opinion if you can be bothered to find out what you are talking about.



Fact: They were camping illegally.
Fact: The police have every right to remove squatters.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by philperth2010 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:33pm
For those who wish to know how to protest and their rite to do so!!!


http://www.activistrightsmanual.com/protesting-in-general.html


http://www.pol.mq.edu.au/apsa/papers/Refereed%20papers/Gelber%20The%20Right%20to%20Protest.pdf

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Time on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:40pm
Squatting on council property isn't legal protest.

I wonder if it would be okay to squat on all these protesters front lawns for a few days? Of course not. It's only okay if it's on someone else's property.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:44pm
Thanks phil. So apparently there was no need for the police to drag them out of their tents at 5am? except to cause a raucous. Shouldn't we be up in arms about the waste of money for extra reinforcements? Big brother and bureaucratic interference get on my nerves.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:46pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:40pm:
Squatting on council property isn't legal protest.

I wonder if it would be okay to squat on all these protesters front lawns for a few days? Of course not. It's only okay if it's on someone else's property.



You did not read the information given to you by phil. Now don't be a lazy daisy and do some reading. You can read, can't you?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:51pm



Quote:
...........About 100 campers defied an order from Melbourne City Council to leave the square by 9am and ignored repeated requests to move on. ..............  

......loading them into the back of police vans en masse while threats of arrest were met with chants of ''we can't hear you!''................


Obey authorities, or you may be arrested.

I don't see any issue here.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:56pm
If the authorities asked you to dye your hair pink and get a tattoo of the Queen on your tongue, would you?

No?

But you might get arrested...

This discussion is about whether the police even had the right to force them to leave, and if they did, did they then have the right to use the brutality that they did.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 1:25pm

yes, the police did that the right.

and the protesters were WELL requested AND warned before the police arrested them.

Police 1 ,  losers 0

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Soren on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 1:25pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:46pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:40pm:
Squatting on council property isn't legal protest.

I wonder if it would be okay to squat on all these protesters front lawns for a few days? Of course not. It's only okay if it's on someone else's property.



You did not read the information given to you by phil. Now don't be a lazy daisy and do some reading. You can read, can't you?

They are both about protests, poncey, not about sqatting on the public road for days, as Time pointed out.
You can tell the difference, can't you?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 1:30pm
Sprint, in one of the protests in the US, the police and council actually put pressure on the owners of a park where protesters had gathered to allow them to stay.

That's cos they're smarter there. They know that once it erupts, there's going to be hell to pay for everyone.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by hawil on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 1:31pm

qikvtec wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:58pm:

hawil wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:51pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 12:46pm:
Police violence in Melbourne. Thank you Australian Police for helping our cause.

so unnecessary and unprovoked!


http://video.heraldsun.com.au/2157468584/Occupy-Melbourne-protest-chaos


It is our democratic right to protest.

It may be our Democratic right to protest, but we have no Democracy; Democracies have been hijacked by the Elite in this world for their own benefit and turned Democracies into Plutocracies, and the Mayor of Melbourne as well as Police Commissioner will not allow their high salaries be threatened by the common citizens.
Most of the top brass in the public service are now getting paid close,  to half a million because they consider that they are underpaid relative to the overpaid executives in the private sector, which again consider themselves being underpaid to the executives in the USA.
The Politicians are also in for a huge pay rise, by trying to fuse the electoral allowance into a salary rise, then  benefitting extra by the 15% super they get paid on top of their salaries.
Talk about Democracy, what Democracy?


Operational Qld police members get 18% super + a 6% compulsory contribution.


Thanks for that info, more evidence that some governments will do anything to keep the police force on side, to protect the top brass, but is that fair?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Dnarever on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 1:38pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:40pm:
Squatting on council property isn't legal protest.

I wonder if it would be okay to squat on all these protesters front lawns for a few days? Of course not. It's only okay if it's on someone else's property.



It is not council property - they are just maintaining public land.

To ban the use of public land for use by protesters is a defacto method of banning protests.

What would you guys suggest as an alternate legal location?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Soren on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 1:41pm
They can march up and down all afternoon (protest).
There is a limit to how long they can have a tent village (occupation).


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Grey on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 1:58pm
Somebody should do something about it like they do in Europe. WhiteOverallsMovementBuildingLiberatedEnvironments&Spaces
(WOMBLES) http://www.sheffieldmayday.ukf.net/articles/wombles.htm[/quote]

At the G20 in Scotland the WOMBLES hired a train and filled it. If the police keep escalating violence it will continue to escalate. When months of non-violence workshops result in protestors getting their heads broken other methods will be tried.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:49pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:47pm:
Another lesson is the Nazis.
It's amazing that we put the Nazis down as being ruthless thugs but it's not hard to find a policman anywhere in the world who is prepared
to beat an unarmed civilian to death with a batton.
Nazis are with us all the time.


18 posts before the first pile of hyserical rot to make the board.

They had their say. Protest for sure, have your say and move on. Come back bigger next time.

Turned into a filthy squat. People's businesses were being affected....not big banks and corporations.

The Police are stuck in the middle, doing as good as they can under the circumstances. They are just easy fodder for key board jack offs.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Grey on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:02pm

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:49pm:
The Police are stuck in the middle, doing as good as they can under the circumstances. They are just easy fodder for key board jack offs.


In the myopic world of F'yay these people,



are trying to cope with the violent behaviour of these people.




Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:06pm

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:02pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:49pm:
The Police are stuck in the middle, doing as good as they can under the circumstances. They are just easy fodder for key board jack offs.


In the myopic world of F'yay these people,



are trying to cope with the violent behaviour of these people.




LOL a stop the war protest! How not pertinent.

Perhaps you can tell us what the police should do (and save the fairy tales - this is real life)

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:08pm

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:02pm:
riot-police[/img]

peaceful-demonstration[/img]


LOL    :D :D :D

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:22pm
Treasurer Wayne Swan says he is disappointed the Occupy demonstrations became violent as they have intensified debate about social and economic inequality in societies across the globe.   :-?

Mr Swan said while the protests don't have a concrete set of aims or demands, those in Melbourne on Friday and Sydney today should not have resulted in violence.   :(

"There seems to be a growing sense of frustration in many countries that opportunities are not being evenly shared and that the burden of the global economic downturn has been carried by those that can least bear it," he said today in a weekly economic note.   ;)


"It's disappointing this important discussion has been obscured by instances of violence over the past few days.

"People of course are always free to protest as long as they are peaceful, follow the instructions of police and don't interfere with the rights of others."

Police today broke up the Occupy Sydney protest in Martin Place during a dawn raid, which came two days after protesters were removed from Melbourne's City Square.

Forty people were arrested in Sydney outside the Reserve Bank of Australia's headquarters, after the raid by police and riot squad officers which cleared the area of more than 100 protesters.

The group had been at Martin Place for over eight days as part of the global campaign against capitalist greed that began in New York last month.

Protesters said they were given little warning before police descended on the group and manhandled them off the site.

But NSW Police Assistant Commissioner Mark Murdoch rejected claims protesters were bashed and manhandled.

"It was resolved very quickly, very peacefully," Mr Murdoch said.

In Melbourne on Friday, 100 protesters were arrested as about 200 were forcefully evicted from their City Square camp.

There were scuffles between Occupy Melbourne protesters and 400 police as officers dragged many writhing and kicking, and carried others.

More than 20 protesters had minor injuries and one was taken to hospital.   :(

Two officers were also injured with one taken to hospital to have his eye flushed.

Eight police cars were damaged.

The Melbourne group remains on a collision course with authorities as they plan to occupy Treasury Gardens from next Saturday.

Mr Swan noted the Occupy protests in Australia had been on a much smaller scale than those in other countries.

"We haven't suffered the immense social dislocation and detachment that occurred elsewhere in recent years because we got the big economic calls right and didn't follow the rest of the developed world into recession," he said.

"That doesn't mean we don't need to keep working to build a stronger, fairer nation."   ;)



Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:27pm
Swan should stay the FO of state business.

I have no doubt he would be singing a different tune if the ALP where in charge.

Or would the ALP bow to these morons? They are good at bowing. :-/

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:46pm
"There seems to be a growing sense of frustration in many countries that opportunities are not being evenly shared and that the burden of the global economic downturn has been carried by those that can least bear it," he said today in a weekly economic note.                                       Then again though, he does have a point, does he not?.   :-?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:55pm

wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:46pm:
"There seems to be a growing sense of frustration in many countries that opportunities are not being evenly shared and that the burden of the global economic downturn has been carried by those that can least bear it," he said today in a weekly economic note.                                       Then again though, he does have a point, does he not?.   :-?


Yes he does.....and it must be difficult finding a hat that fits it...

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Time on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 4:10pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:46pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:40pm:
Squatting on council property isn't legal protest.

I wonder if it would be okay to squat on all these protesters front lawns for a few days? Of course not. It's only okay if it's on someone else's property.



You did not read the information given to you by phil. Now don't be a lazy daisy and do some reading. You can read, can't you?



I did read them. I searched them for where it was legal to camp on council property after being served an eviction notice.
I couldn't find it.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Time on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 4:12pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 1:38pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:40pm:
Squatting on council property isn't legal protest.

I wonder if it would be okay to squat on all these protesters front lawns for a few days? Of course not. It's only okay if it's on someone else's property.



It is not council property - they are just maintaining public land.

To ban the use of public land for use by protesters is a defacto method of banning protests.

What would you guys suggest as an alternate legal location?



There's a difference between a marching style protest and a 'camping' protest.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Grey on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 4:31pm

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:06pm:

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:02pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:49pm:
The Police are stuck in the middle, doing as good as they can under the circumstances. They are just easy fodder for key board jack offs.


In the myopic world of F'yay these people,



are trying to cope with the violent behaviour of these people.




LOL a stop the war protest! How not pertinent.

Perhaps you can tell us what the police should do (and save the fairy tales - this is real life)


1) They should butt out.

2) They should prevent bad behaviour not provoke it.

3) They shouldn't dress to terrify.

4) They should wear their ID tags.

5) They should direct their energies to fighting crime.

The reality is FriYay, that you have never attended a demonstration.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 4:40pm

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:47pm:
Another lesson is the Nazis.
It's amazing that we put the Nazis down as being ruthless thugs but it's not hard to find a policman anywhere in the world who is prepared
to beat an unarmed civilian to death with a batton.
Nazis are with us all the time.


18 posts before the first pile of hyserical rot to make the board.

They had their say. Protest for sure, have your say and move on. Come back bigger next time.

Turned into a filthy squat. People's businesses were being affected....not big banks and corporations.

The Police are stuck in the middle, doing as good as they can under the circumstances. They are just easy fodder for key board jack offs.



I understand -
then it's all right to beat unarmed protestors with battons?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by thelastnail on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 4:52pm

wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:22pm:
Mr Swan noted the Occupy protests in Australia had been on a much smaller scale than those in other countries.

"We haven't suffered the immense social dislocation and detachment that occurred elsewhere in recent years because we got the big economic calls right and didn't follow the rest of the developed world into recession," he said.

"That doesn't mean we don't need to keep working to build a stronger, fairer nation."   ;)


There is nothing fair about the banking system and how the banks are able to conjure money out of thin air and get people to work for it like slaves !!

Why doesn't Wayne goose come clean and explain to us about the corruption inherent in the fractional banking system and how it is the modern  equivalent of slavery !! Maybe then he will be able to understand the protesters frustration !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTRDeLGOKjk

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 4:59pm
Premier Ted Baillieu has praised police for the way they broke up the Occupy Melbourne protest on Friday and said protesters had broken their promise to leave peacefully.   :-?

Police forcefully evicted about 100 anti-capitalism protesters from City Square, dragging many writhing and kicking and setting up cyclone fences around the site.   :(

Protesters claim police were heavy-handed, but Mr Baillieu today defended their actions in breaking up the demonstration.





"They should have moved along, they said they would and they didn't, and I think Victoria Police handled the situation well," Mr Baillieu said.

Most of the arrested protesters have been released without charge, while more than 20 suffered minor injuries and one was taken to hospital.   :(

Two police officers were also injured with one taken to hospital to have his eye flushed.

Mr Baillieu urged anyone planning to protest during the Queen's visit on Wednesday to do so peacefully. He said everyone had the right to protest, so long as they had respect for the law.

"I would simply urge anybody who wants to protest at any time to do it lawfully and do it with respect for others," he said.

The Queen is scheduled to open the new $1 billion Royal Children's Hospital and visit the National Gallery of Victoria's Ian Potter Centre. She is also set to greeting the public at Federation Square and attend a private reception at Government House.

Protesters plan to take over Treasury Gardens from Saturday.   :-?




Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Grey on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 6:09pm
Lawful protest = protest that doesn't bother us and only lasts for an hour tops.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 6:28pm

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 6:09pm:
Lawful protest = protest that doesn't bother us and only lasts for an hour tops.



And no more than a group of six please and we will re-write the placard if we don't like what it says.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Verge on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 6:41pm
So how do you move people who refuse to move, offer them a cup of tea and we can all talk about it while singing camp songs.

They were asked to leave, refused, so force was used.  Thats reasonable.

A reasonable protester would have moved on, not have caused the issue by failing to undertake an order.

Would these same people ignore the highway patrol in their rear window with the sirens blasting trying to get them to pull over?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Grey on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 7:02pm

Verge wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 6:41pm:
So how do you move people who refuse to move, offer them a cup of tea and we can all talk about it while singing camp songs.

They were asked to leave, refused, so force was used.  Thats reasonable.

A reasonable protester would have moved on, not have caused the issue by failing to undertake an order.

Would these same people ignore the highway patrol in their rear window with the sirens blasting trying to get them to pull over?


If half the square wasn't being squatted by multinational corporations



Quote:
Opened by Her Majesty in May 1980, over half the Square was purchased for $12.5 million from the Melbourne City Council in 1993 to house a ***** luxury hotel, one of over 180 Westin Hotels (“havens of wellness and rejuvenation for those seeking a transformative hotel experience”). Westin is owned by Starwood Hotels and Resorts Worldwide, Inc., a multi-billion dollar US-based corporation. (Note that the other, much larger ‘public’ space in the CBD, Federation Square, is privately-owned land.)


you'd hardly notice them. Laws are made by gangsters. The one thing the ALP, Coalition and Greens can agree on is they don't want anybody else to share their clubhouse.

Sitting on a sidewalk is inconvenient enough, (for the sitters) and ought to be a fundamental right of a free society.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 7:09pm
Some of the protesters were forcibly moved without being given a direct "move on notice". It's not good enough that the cop tells the bloke next to me to move on and then forcibly removes me. There could well be charges laid because of this. The protesters have lawyers ready to take on any cases.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 7:24pm

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 7:26pm

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 7:28pm

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Soren on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 8:16pm

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:02pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:49pm:
The Police are stuck in the middle, doing as good as they can under the circumstances. They are just easy fodder for key board jack offs.


In the myopic world of F'yay these people,



are trying to cope with the violent behaviour of these people.



Myopic is the word. None is so myopic as those who want to be.

These picturs are not of Australian police dispersing anyone. Rather, they are pictures of your tendentious fantasies.




Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Grey on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 8:50pm

Soren wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 8:16pm:

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:02pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:49pm:
The Police are stuck in the middle, doing as good as they can under the circumstances. They are just easy fodder for key board jack offs.


In the myopic world of F'yay these people,



are trying to cope with the violent behaviour of these people.



Myopic is the word. None is so myopic as those who want to be.

These picturs are not of Australian police dispersing anyone. Rather, they are pictures of your tendentious fantasies.


<sigh>






happy now?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Soren on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 8:59pm

"Excessive force". Where did we hear that before? All the bleating about 'excessive force'? Ah yes! Whan dad gave you a slap on the botty when you were naughty little brats.
Nothing's changed. You still bleat when you get smacked for ignoring dad.



Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Kat on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:24pm
The police were out of line.

ANY force used AGAINST the police is, was and alwys will be justified.

No FORCE USED BY THEM AGAINST US CAN BE JUSTIFIED.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Soren on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:27pm

Kat wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:24pm:
The police were out of line.

ANY force used AGAINST the police is, was and alwys will be justified.

No FORCE USED BY THEM AGAINST US CAN BE JUSTIFIED.



They are called the f^%*ing Police Force. What are you? The Jedi Force?


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Kat on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:31pm

Soren wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:27pm:

Kat wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:24pm:
The police were out of line.

ANY force used AGAINST the police is, was and alwys will be justified.

No FORCE USED BY THEM AGAINST US CAN BE JUSTIFIED.



They are called the f^%*ing Police Force. What are you? The Jedi Force?



No, just a bloke who believes that the rights of the
individual over-ride  those of the State.

As you obviously don't.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Soren on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:51pm
The rights of 200 individuals do not override the rights of 500, 10,000, 1,000,000 other individuals.


Obviously.


The state, you understand, is not without its support base comprised of... er... individuals.


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Dnarever on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 11:19pm

Verge wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 6:41pm:
So how do you move people who refuse to move, offer them a cup of tea and we can all talk about it while singing camp songs.



Why do you need to move people who are protesting peacefully and causing no problems.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Soren on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 11:21pm
Because the public space is not to be appropriated without consent.



Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Dnarever on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 11:22pm
Last year and the one before at least the TAB took possession of Martin Place on Melbourne cup day?

The Police didn't show up at all.

Apparently its ok to use the area for a commercial use.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Kat on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 11:30pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 11:19pm:

Verge wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 6:41pm:
So how do you move people who refuse to move, offer them a cup of tea and we can all talk about it while singing camp songs.



Why do you need to move people who are protesting peacefully and causing no problems.



Well, you wouldn't.

Unless they were right, and you were scared of them.....

I predict more violence, and it will almost certainly be State-instigated...

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Soren on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 11:31pm
Yeah, and the RSL occupies Martin Place every April 25.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 24th, 2011 at 5:41am
The leaders of the Occupy Melbourne group forcibly removed from their City Square camp say they want the Victorian Ombudsman to investigate at least 43 instances of police violence against demonstrators.   :-?

A statement from Occupy Melbourne says its lawyers have 43 statements listing injuries inflicted by police on protesters last Friday.

These include eye-gouging, punches to the face and back of the head and the deployment of pepper spray, including on children.   >:(


Occupy Melbourne spokeswoman Emma Kerin will call on the Ombudsman to investigate the forced removal of the anti-capitalist protesters.

"We will also call for answers as to whether the Lord Mayor Robert Doyle knew in advance that riot police would be deployed against his own constituents," she said.

"This situation requires cool heads and mature decision making, which is why we have called for an independent inquiry into the decisions taken by Melbourne City Council, the Lord Mayor and Victoria Police," Ms Kerin said.

"The images seen on television of police violence were shocking. We need an investigation into how this came to happen and who permitted police to use such excessive force on those peacefully assembled."   :(

The chaos was sparked after about 100 Occupy Melbourne demonstrators, who had camped out in the City Square for a week as part of global protests against corporate greed, defied an order to leave by 9am (AEDT) on Friday.

By about 12.30pm (AEDT), a huge police contingent, including the riot squad, began dragging protesters out of the square and cleared the area within 10 minutes.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 24th, 2011 at 5:50am
Moronic overpaid bureaucrats cause trouble by getting heavy-handed cops involved in a peaceful protest. What do they want? blood on their hands, I hope it's their own. Now more of the taxpayers money wasted on defending them. Why don't they go and catch some criminals? pepper spraying children is too easy.

REBEL REBEL REBEL REBEL REBEL REBEL

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by progressiveslol on Oct 24th, 2011 at 5:57am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 5:50am:
Moronic overpaid bureaucrats cause trouble by getting heavy-handed cops involved in a peaceful protest. What do they want? blood on their hands, I hope it's their own. Now more of the taxpayers money wasted on defending them. Why don't they go and catch some criminals? pepper spraying children is too easy.

REBEL REBEL REBEL REBEL REBEL REBEL

You are a bit late reacting on the protesters in parliament house that were ejected because the protested the carbon tax.

Better late than never I guess.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Time on Oct 24th, 2011 at 9:04am

wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 5:41am:
The leaders of the Occupy Melbourne group forcibly removed from their City Square camp say they want the Victorian Ombudsman to investigate at least 43 instances of police violence against demonstrators.   :-?

A statement from Occupy Melbourne says its lawyers have 43 statements listing injuries inflicted by police on protesters last Friday.

These include eye-gouging, punches to the face and back of the head and the deployment of pepper spray, including on children.   >:(


Occupy Melbourne spokeswoman Emma Kerin will call on the Ombudsman to investigate the forced removal of the anti-capitalist protesters.

"We will also call for answers as to whether the Lord Mayor Robert Doyle knew in advance that riot police would be deployed against his own constituents," she said.

"This situation requires cool heads and mature decision making, which is why we have called for an independent inquiry into the decisions taken by Melbourne City Council, the Lord Mayor and Victoria Police," Ms Kerin said.

"The images seen on television of police violence were shocking. We need an investigation into how this came to happen and who permitted police to use such excessive force on those peacefully assembled."   :(

The chaos was sparked after about 100 Occupy Melbourne demonstrators, who had camped out in the City Square for a week as part of global protests against corporate greed, defied an order to leave by 9am (AEDT) on Friday.

By about 12.30pm (AEDT), a huge police contingent, including the riot squad, began dragging protesters out of the square and cleared the area within 10 minutes.



These people wanted to be arrested. It was planned. As soon as the police removed them they were going to scream "excessive force" all along. By playing the victim-card they are attempting to show the police out as mindless brutal thugs. What is left out of the picture is that there was dialogue between the police and the ferals for a number of days to try and get them to leave the area. If they left like they were asked to several times then none of this would have happened.

If these ferals tried this in any non-Western country, they would have been beaten half to death or executed on the spot.
These ferals don't know how easy they got off, or how good they have it here.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 24th, 2011 at 9:55am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 4:40pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:47pm:
Another lesson is the Nazis.
It's amazing that we put the Nazis down as being ruthless thugs but it's not hard to find a policman anywhere in the world who is prepared
to beat an unarmed civilian to death with a batton.
Nazis are with us all the time.


18 posts before the first pile of hyserical rot to make the board.

They had their say. Protest for sure, have your say and move on. Come back bigger next time.

Turned into a filthy squat. People's businesses were being affected....not big banks and corporations.

The Police are stuck in the middle, doing as good as they can under the circumstances. They are just easy fodder for key board jack offs.



I understand -
then it's all right to beat unarmed protestors with battons?


Did i say that?

Did you use the term nazi twice and talk about how police like to beat people to death? When did that last happen in OZ?

Do you take any remedies for your hysterics?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 24th, 2011 at 9:57am

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 4:31pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:06pm:

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:02pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:49pm:
The Police are stuck in the middle, doing as good as they can under the circumstances. They are just easy fodder for key board jack offs.


In the myopic world of F'yay these people,



are trying to cope with the violent behaviour of these people.




LOL a stop the war protest! How not pertinent.

Perhaps you can tell us what the police should do (and save the fairy tales - this is real life)


1) They should butt out.


FAIL, right there.

Are you suggesting the police should challange/resist the state?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 24th, 2011 at 10:00am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 5:50am:
Moronic overpaid bureaucrats cause trouble by getting heavy-handed cops involved in a peaceful protest. What do they want? blood on their hands, I hope it's their own. Now more of the taxpayers money wasted on defending them. Why don't they go and catch some criminals? pepper spraying children is too easy.

REBEL REBEL REBEL REBEL REBEL REBEL


LOL, look out, 200 unwashed are going to rebel!!


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Grey on Oct 24th, 2011 at 11:15am
"They need to view civil society as their partner not as a threat."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGRXCgMdz9A

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 24th, 2011 at 11:59am
Victoria’s top police officer has not ruled out a repeat of Friday’s confrontation with Occupy Melbourne protesters if a demonstration to mark the Queen’s visit to the city this week turns violent.

Acting Chief Commissioner Ken Lay said officers would use strong-arm tactics if necessary but urged protest organisers to contact police and arrange for a peaceful demonstration when the Queen tours central Melbourne, including Federation Square, on Wednesday.   :-?

It comes as both police and the protesters involved in Friday’s stand-off at City Square say they are reviewing footage of the chaos to determine who is at fault.




Protesters said today they were considering staging a demonstration on Wednesday.

Occupy Melbourne spokesman Jacob Grech said a protest timed to coincide with the Queen’s visit would draw more attention to the group’s anti-capitalism views.

‘‘Not only because the Queen should know in her role as the sovereign of Australia and because it will draw attention to what’s been happening here in Melbourne, but also because ... without what happened last Friday, the Queen is part of the 1 per cent that highlights the disparity between the haves and have-nots in this democratic nation of ours,’’ Mr Grech told 3AW.   :(




Another Occupy Melbourne spokesman told The Age the Queen’s visit was likely to be discussed at a meeting tomorrow.   :-?

Mr Lay said that, while he recognised people’s right to protest, a large police contingent was rostered for Wednesday’s royal visit to ensure protests did not get out of control.

‘‘I’ve got no problems with them demonstrating on Wednesday but all I ask is, if they do demonstrate, they do it in an orderly manner,’’ he said.


‘‘They [should] involve the police in the planning so we can facilitate it without people getting hurt, police or demonstrators.

‘‘We will do what we need to do to keep the peace and ensure that the law isn’t broken so we will just see what happens. We will do our planning, we will get an understanding hopefully of the tactics that will be involved and we will take the action necessary.’’

Mr Lay said police were reviewing photos and videos to lay criminal charges against protesters and those responsible for damaging six police cars.

But protesters say footage of the confrontation shows ‘‘shocking’’ instances of police violence, including eye-gouging and punches to the face and back of the head.   :(

They want the Victorian Ombudsman to investigate at least 43 alleged instances of police violence against demonstrators.

Mr Lay said Friday’s scenes, in which about 100 protesters were dragged kicking and screaming from City Square, had not been witnessed in the city in many years.

Police arrested 95 people, and Mr Lay said he believed about 50 of those had been charged with criminal offences.

However a Victoria Police spokeswoman later said footage was still being reviewed and no charges had been laid.

Police Minister Peter Ryan today said officers had been restrained in removing the protesters.

‘‘They were very, very professional. They carefully planned what they would do, they executed those plans very, very ably,’’ Mr Ryan told ABC radio.

‘‘Having regard to the amount of actual resources available to them, it could have been handled ... in a much, much more direct manner.’’



Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 24th, 2011 at 12:01pm
Yes that's right is it not, the Queen is part of the 1 per cent, is that not so?.   :)    We are the 99 per cent.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 24th, 2011 at 12:09pm

FriYAY wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 9:57am:

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 4:31pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:06pm:

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:02pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:49pm:
The Police are stuck in the middle, doing as good as they can under the circumstances. They are just easy fodder for key board jack offs.


In the myopic world of F'yay these people,



are trying to cope with the violent behaviour of these people.




LOL a stop the war protest! How not pertinent.

Perhaps you can tell us what the police should do (and save the fairy tales - this is real life)


1) They should butt out.


FAIL, right there.

Are you suggesting the police should challange/resist the state?



It should be the role of the police to act in the best interest of the people, not the state.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Wesley Pipes on Oct 24th, 2011 at 12:15pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 12:09pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 9:57am:

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 4:31pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:06pm:

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:02pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:49pm:
The Police are stuck in the middle, doing as good as they can under the circumstances. They are just easy fodder for key board jack offs.


In the myopic world of F'yay these people,



are trying to cope with the violent behaviour of these people.




LOL a stop the war protest! How not pertinent.

Perhaps you can tell us what the police should do (and save the fairy tales - this is real life)


1) They should butt out.


FAIL, right there.

Are you suggesting the police should challange/resist the state?



It should be the role of the police to act in the best interest of the people, not the state.



Absolutely, but what is it that "the people" want?  Until a clear goal is stated, the movement will not grow past the status of a rabble of fringe dwellers.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 24th, 2011 at 12:36pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 12:09pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 9:57am:

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 4:31pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:06pm:

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:02pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:49pm:
The Police are stuck in the middle, doing as good as they can under the circumstances. They are just easy fodder for key board jack offs.


In the myopic world of F'yay these people,



are trying to cope with the violent behaviour of these people.




LOL a stop the war protest! How not pertinent.

Perhaps you can tell us what the police should do (and save the fairy tales - this is real life)


1) They should butt out.


FAIL, right there.

Are you suggesting the police should challange/resist the state?



It should be the role of the police to act in the best interest of the people, not the state.


Which people?? The ones who are being harrassed trying to get into their jobs?, the ones who can't sit at the benches and enjoy their lunch?

Or the ones who are harrassing people entering buildings and eating lunches??

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 24th, 2011 at 12:52pm

... wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 12:15pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 12:09pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 9:57am:

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 4:31pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:06pm:

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:02pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:49pm:
The Police are stuck in the middle, doing as good as they can under the circumstances. They are just easy fodder for key board jack offs.


In the myopic world of F'yay these people,



are trying to cope with the violent behaviour of these people.




LOL a stop the war protest! How not pertinent.

Perhaps you can tell us what the police should do (and save the fairy tales - this is real life)


1) They should butt out.


FAIL, right there.

Are you suggesting the police should challange/resist the state?



It should be the role of the police to act in the best interest of the people, not the state.



Absolutely, but what is it that "the people" want?  Until a clear goal is stated, the movement will not grow past the status of a rabble of fringe dwellers.



I know what I want. Do you?

Regardless, I was merely answering friyay's question about whether the police should resist/challenge the state.


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Wesley Pipes on Oct 24th, 2011 at 1:10pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 12:52pm:

... wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 12:15pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 12:09pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 9:57am:

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 4:31pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:06pm:

Grey wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:02pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:49pm:
The Police are stuck in the middle, doing as good as they can under the circumstances. They are just easy fodder for key board jack offs.


In the myopic world of F'yay these people,



are trying to cope with the violent behaviour of these people.




LOL a stop the war protest! How not pertinent.

Perhaps you can tell us what the police should do (and save the fairy tales - this is real life)


1) They should butt out.


FAIL, right there.

Are you suggesting the police should challange/resist the state?



It should be the role of the police to act in the best interest of the people, not the state.



Absolutely, but what is it that "the people" want?  Until a clear goal is stated, the movement will not grow past the status of a rabble of fringe dwellers.



I know what I want. Do you?

Regardless, I was merely answering friyay's question about whether the police should resist/challenge the state.


We all know what we want, working out how to get it is the hard part, and working out how to get it for everyone is a problem too great for the greatest minds in the world. Since even spelling the word "silent" is beyond these kooks, I don't reckon I'll back their plans, that is, if they even have a plan that extends beyond shouting crap slogans through a megaphone, and scrawling poorly thought out messages on placards.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 24th, 2011 at 1:15pm

I think the police SHOULD use excessive force to protesters that wish to ignore said police.
Protesters had been asked repeatedly, then warned.

Now say hello to a baton, capsicun spray and a criminal record.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 24th, 2011 at 1:21pm

Quote:
Since even spelling the word "silent" is beyond these kooks, I don't reckon I'll back their plans


Are you happy with the way the world is? Is there nothing you'd like to change?

She might not be the brightest spark, but at least she's off her bottom and trying to make the world a better place for the rest of us.



And Sprint...of course you do.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 24th, 2011 at 1:28pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 1:15pm:
I think the police SHOULD use excessive force to protesters that wish to ignore said police.
Protesters had been asked repeatedly, then warned.

Now say hello to a baton, capsicun spray and a criminal record.




*Tsk* seems like you and someone else had the same teacher.
I beg to differ. From reports, some were directed to move on and were forcibly removed. Others were NOT directed to move on but were forcibly removed. And there lies the problem. The police really should be more careful when there's a camera in every hand.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 24th, 2011 at 1:51pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 1:28pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 1:15pm:
I think the police SHOULD use excessive force to protesters that wish to ignore said police.
Protesters had been asked repeatedly, then warned.

Now say hello to a baton, capsicun spray and a criminal record.




*Tsk* seems like you and someone else had the same teacher.
I beg to differ. From reports, some were directed to move on and were forcibly removed. Others were NOT directed to move on but were forcibly removed. And there lies the problem. The police really should be more careful when there's a camera in every hand.


tsk tsk tsk, seems you live in la la land.



Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 25th, 2011 at 6:05am
ORGANISERS of the rowdy city protest that resulted in almost 100 arrests have warned that the Queen's visit to Melbourne tomorrow would give them a prime opportunity to push their cause.   :-?

Police and Occupy Melbourne teams are scouring footage of Friday's clashes in the heart of the city where 95 demonstrators were arrested with both sides threatening legal action.

It came as Acting Chief Commissioner Ken Lay revealed police were initially undermanned as they prepared to evict protesters from City Square after they allegedly went back on their word to leave without resistance.

Ken Lay, police chief: 'We will do what we need to do to keep the peace.'



Occupy Melbourne organisers have warned that the protests are not over, while Victoria Police has stressed that anybody breaking the law would be dealt with.

''There's going to be discussions going on about an appropriate way to welcome our monarch to Melbourne,'' Jacob Grech, a spokesman for the protesters, said. ''The Queen is part of the 1 per cent that highlights the disparity between the haves and have-nots in this democratic nation of ours,'' he told Radio 3AW.   :)

Protest organisers are due to meet in Melbourne outside the State Library tonight to decide what action to take.

Police Minister Peter Ryan said people were entitled to protest when the Queen arrived but they must exercise ''common sense'' when doing so.

Mr Lay said orderly demonstrations would be tolerated but if the protesters stepped out of line police would step in.

''We will do what we need to do to keep the peace and ensure that the law isn't broken. We will do our planning, we will get an understanding hopefully of the tactics that will be involved and we will take the action necessary,'' the police chief said.

Mr Lay said police command had wrongly believed only 100 to 150 police would be needed at the site based on experience and because protesters had said on Thursday that they would leave peacefully if ordered.

But Mr Lay said reinforcements were urgently called from nearby locations as more protesters began to arrive at City Square while police prepared to move in, with numbers eventually swelling to about 400.

''It's dramatic and it's not the thing you like to see on the streets of Melbourne.

''But [given] the warnings that were given [and] the people we were dealing with … we had little other choice.''

Occupy Melbourne spokesman Nick Carson, a Greens candidate in the seat of Doncaster at last year's state election, said the movement had never told police that protesters would leave City Square if asked.   :-?

More links between the Greens and the Occupy Melbourne movement emerged yesterday after 3AW reported that organiser Jake Wishart works for Greens MP Adam Bandt, who has praised the movement.   :)



Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Oct 25th, 2011 at 6:36am
Hi Crook,
They should have just moved to another spot e.g.
the steps of parliament would do nicely.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Verge on Oct 25th, 2011 at 8:17am
I see more clashes come the Queens visit.  Hopefully the police can keep them well away, a bit of respect for the monarchy wouldnt go astray.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Verge on Oct 25th, 2011 at 8:21am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

Quote:
Since even spelling the word "silent" is beyond these kooks, I don't reckon I'll back their plans


Are you happy with the way the world is? Is there nothing you'd like to change?

She might not be the brightest spark, but at least she's off her bottom and trying to make the world a better place for the rest of us.



And Sprint...of course you do.

Sitting in a park is not making the world a better place.

If you want to change the system, you need to do a bit more than get 100 people to have a camp with you.

And you are talking about trying to change the world with a range of different political idealogy.  Sounds like it was cooked up while smoking crack.

If they dont like the western world, feel free to move to China.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Equitist on Oct 25th, 2011 at 9:06am


Across the globe, hundreds of groups of hundreds of people are gaining media attention...

By themselves, they may not be able to facilitate change in our unbalanced mixed market economy...

But what they can do, is raise awareness in others of the frailty of the 'Growth Fairy' and the long-overdue need for change...

Moreover, they can empower the little people to rise up and force the doGmatic pollies and parasitic corporatists into starting a paradigm shift...

All power to the little people, for their efforts may yet help our descendants to inherit a more stable and fair society and a sustainable earth!


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 25th, 2011 at 9:07am

Verge wrote on Oct 25th, 2011 at 8:21am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

Quote:
Since even spelling the word "silent" is beyond these kooks, I don't reckon I'll back their plans


Are you happy with the way the world is? Is there nothing you'd like to change?

She might not be the brightest spark, but at least she's off her bottom and trying to make the world a better place for the rest of us.



And Sprint...of course you do.

Sitting in a park is not making the world a better place.

If you want to change the system, you need to do a bit more than get 100 people to have a camp with you.

And you are talking about trying to change the world with a range of different political idealogy.  Sounds like it was cooked up while smoking crack.

If they dont like the western world, feel free to move to China.



So how did the Civil Rights Movements of the 60's become successful enough to cause amendments to the American Constitution? Marches, sit-ins and protests ring a bell. No one ever got anything from sitting on their backsides and complaining.

If you are happy with the government, bureaucracy, banks and big business that cheat off you, sit back and do nothing.

Are you happy that the Super funds have lost 35% of your money? probably 50% or more by the time you get it. Those people that lost your money got $ million bonuses. If that's ok with you, do nothing.

Change happens when people rebel.

If you are happy that our government is against the reporting of criminal government activity (Wikileaks) do nothing.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 25th, 2011 at 10:16am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 25th, 2011 at 9:07am:

Verge wrote on Oct 25th, 2011 at 8:21am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

Quote:
Since even spelling the word "silent" is beyond these kooks, I don't reckon I'll back their plans


Are you happy with the way the world is? Is there nothing you'd like to change?

She might not be the brightest spark, but at least she's off her bottom and trying to make the world a better place for the rest of us.



And Sprint...of course you do.

Sitting in a park is not making the world a better place.

If you want to change the system, you need to do a bit more than get 100 people to have a camp with you.

And you are talking about trying to change the world with a range of different political idealogy.  Sounds like it was cooked up while smoking crack.

If they dont like the western world, feel free to move to China.



So how did the Civil Rights Movements of the 60's become successful enough to cause amendments to the American Constitution? Marches, sit-ins and protests ring a bell. No one ever got anything from sitting on their backsides and complaining.

If you are happy with the government, bureaucracy, banks and big business that cheat off you, sit back and do nothing.

Are you happy that the Super funds have lost 35% of your money? probably 50% or more by the time you get it. Those people that lost your money got $ million bonuses. If that's ok with you, do nothing.

Change happens when people rebel.

If you are happy that our government is against the reporting of criminal government activity (Wikileaks) do nothing.


The 60's Civil Rights movement was successful because of a) sheer numbers and b) the fact that people from both sides of the racial divide marched together...

Comparing protests of two or three hundred people (claiming to represent 99% of the population) with the mass marches of 200,000 to 300,000 people (who DO represent the percentage of the population they claim to) is laughable, to say the very least...

100 'unwashed' neo-hippies in a park, who can't even agree on what their agenda is, will never bring about mass change to society......And using quotes, and ideas from a sci-fi movie is actually sad....

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by life_goes_on on Oct 25th, 2011 at 2:23pm
You can't really blame the cops for getting heavy handed.

They have a pretty piss-poor attitude in regards to the general community to begin with. It doesn't matter how straight up you are - you're a suspected scumbag to them until they are given reason to change their minds. Throw a bunch of protesters in front of them and it's understandable that they get a bit rough.

The protesters should be thankful it's not the NSW cops of 30 years ago. If that were the case then it would have been ambulances taking them away and not paddy wagons.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Gist on Oct 25th, 2011 at 2:54pm

... wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 1:10pm:
Since even spelling the word "silent" is beyond these kooks, I don't reckon I'll back their plans, that is, if they even have a plan that extends beyond shouting crap slogans through a megaphone, and scrawling poorly thought out messages on placards.


Well, Wesley, if you're referring to the young lady with a placard that included the word "scilent"... yes, it could be that the word was beyond her. Or maybe she knew exactly what she was saying and it was beyond you?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=scilence

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Pete on Oct 25th, 2011 at 4:36pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 24th, 2011 at 1:15pm:
I think the police SHOULD use excessive force to protesters that wish to ignore said police.
Protesters had been asked repeatedly, then warned.

Now say hello to a baton, capsicun spray and a criminal record.


Off to Syria with you. You'd fit right in there.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Soren on Oct 25th, 2011 at 8:27pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 25th, 2011 at 9:07am:
So how did the Civil Rights Movements of the 60's become successful enough to cause amendments to the American Constitution?  



Marching on the street will not make you an heir to the Civil Rights movement (although that's the secret, puffed up dream of everyone who ever joins a demo like this).

You need a concrete goal. "Not happy, Jan!!' and 'Down with .. (your pet obcession here)...!!!" are not enough of a program.


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Oct 25th, 2011 at 8:57pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 25th, 2011 at 2:23pm:
You can't really blame the cops for getting heavy handed.

They have a pretty piss-poor attitude in regards to the general community to begin with. It doesn't matter how straight up you are - you're a suspected scumbag to them until they are given reason to change their minds. Throw a bunch of protesters in front of them and it's understandable that they get a bit rough.

The protesters should be thankful it's not the NSW cops of 30 years ago. If that were the case then it would have been ambulances taking them away and not paddy wagons.



But that still happens today - I believe some
protestors were injured - how many & how seriously - I don't know.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 25th, 2011 at 9:38pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 25th, 2011 at 8:57pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 25th, 2011 at 2:23pm:
You can't really blame the cops for getting heavy handed.

They have a pretty piss-poor attitude in regards to the general community to begin with. It doesn't matter how straight up you are - you're a suspected scumbag to them until they are given reason to change their minds. Throw a bunch of protesters in front of them and it's understandable that they get a bit rough.

The protesters should be thankful it's not the NSW cops of 30 years ago. If that were the case then it would have been ambulances taking them away and not paddy wagons.



But that still happens today - I believe some
protestors were injured - how many & how seriously - I don't know.


Bobby, EVERY time someone's arrested they 'claim' an injury......It's like people in prison are 'always' innocent.....

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 25th, 2011 at 9:41pm
So there were no actual injuries? Are the protesters faking them all?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Soren on Oct 25th, 2011 at 9:42pm
Yeah, it's never 'fair cop' any more.

We are all victims now. Lawbreakers especially.




Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 25th, 2011 at 9:45pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 25th, 2011 at 9:41pm:
So there were no actual injuries? Are the protesters faking them all?


Oh no...not 'faking them'.....but exaggerating and claiming the wrong causes for them...there may well have been real injuries......but equal possibility of those injuries being the result of struggling, rather than deliberate actions of the police....

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Pete on Oct 25th, 2011 at 10:16pm
It is the right of everyone, especially the young, to ask questions of the staus quo - especially when the status quo does not want anyone to ask questions.

Demo's are good. If you believe in the cause at hand I highly recommend them. It's much better than writing a nice letter to your local member.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 26th, 2011 at 6:08am
POLICE have been urged to stand united after Occupy Melbourne protesters launched a bitter attack on an officer who served on the front line when violence erupted in the city.

Acting Chief Commissioner Ken Lay last night wrote to the force's 12,500 members urging them not to be intimidated by protesters who produced a poster singling out an officer under the heading "This officer is violent and dangerous".

"The personal attack on one of our people, who was simply doing his job, will not be tolerated," he said.

"These tactics will not - and can not - deter us from doing our jobs and ensuring the safety of the Victorian
community. Stay safe."

Police Minister Peter Ryan and Lord Mayor Robert Doyle also hit back.

"This is an appalling personal attack upon an officer doing no more than enforcing the law," Mr Ryan said.


A furious Cr Doyle added: "This is reprehensible behaviour. These (protesters) are people who purport to represent democracy and the rule of law."

"How would they feel if police did the same thing to them? I reiterate my support for the professionalism of the police and their work."

Police said it was "extremely disappointing that a member is subjected to this type of attack whilst only doing his job".

"If people have legitimate complaints, there is an official process for them to follow," a statement said.

Mr Lay said the photo of the officer in the flyer was taken while he was on duty last Friday.

"It is important to point out that the photo shows the member simply standing there and does not illustrate anything to justify the defamatory words which follow under the image."

Mr Lay said police command would also seek legal advice.

Police Association secretary Greg Davies said if the force did not take legal action against those distributing the flyer, the union would.

Sen-Sgt Davies said this would include a defamation suit.

"We would hope the police force will pursue any avenue of legal redress against these outrageous allegations," he said.

Sen-Sgt Davies said he was disappointed but not shocked by the material.

In a move set to further inflame tension with police and the city council, protesters said they would again take to the streets on Saturday at noon to march from State Library to Treasury Gardens, where they plan another occupation.

They do not intend seeking a permit from Melbourne City Council.

At last night's meeting of protesters at the State Library, Occupy Melbourne repeated its claim members had been attacked by police during Friday's ugly showdown in City Square.

Married couple Koby and Rory James, 22, of South Melbourne, said the officer in the flyer should be sacked.

"He should be ashamed of himself, he should be marched back to headquarters and he should be stripped of his job," Koby said.

The couple said they were both assaulted by police on Friday and were also taunted fr their sexuality.

"They homophobically taunted us. I kissed my husband as we were being separated and they said 'see you later girls'," Koby said.

Police continue to review video and photography of last Friday's wild scenes in the City Square.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 26th, 2011 at 6:13am
Smile Mr police man, we got your photo.  It can work both ways.   :)

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 8:13am

wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 6:13am:
Smile Mr police man, we got your photo.  It can work both ways.   :)



99% more video proof.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Time on Oct 26th, 2011 at 9:18am
If the hippies moved on when told there would have been no force used. Any injury or "excessive" force is the fault of the campers for failing to oblige by council laws.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 26th, 2011 at 9:19am
Be nice if they could ID the unwashed that are on welfare and cancel it.

Then kick the crap out of 'em. ::)

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 26th, 2011 at 9:41am

Quote:
Be nice if they could ID the unwashed that are on welfare and cancel it.

Then kick the crap out of 'em.



Or perhaps a better idea would be to address the problems the protesters are trying to fix.  Do you even see how you’re actively working against your own interests by opposing and vilifying them?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Soren on Oct 26th, 2011 at 9:55am
Oh? They are addressing a problem? I didn't realise.
What is the problem and how does occupying a quare for a few days address it?

"The Qantas CEO gets a gazillion bucks - I'd better camp out a coupla days, that'll show him?"
"The entire western world is in debt - time to sit down for a few days in a park".

How does this work?




Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 26th, 2011 at 9:55am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 9:41am:

Quote:
Be nice if they could ID the unwashed that are on welfare and cancel it.

Then kick the crap out of 'em.



Or perhaps a better idea would be to address the problems the protesters are trying to fix.  Do you even see how you’re actively working against your own interests by opposing and vilifying them?


A few 100 people squatting in a public place do not reflect or have my interests at heart.

I have no time for people who claim to represent the 99% and are closer to representing the 1% of extremist.

These protesters don’t want to “fix” anything. They have a vague notion that they need to bring down the man, tear down capitalism, the same tired drum-beat that has been going on for decades.

What makes me laugh is their use of social networking to get their message across. If it weren’t for capitalism, do you think there would be Microsoft? Apple? Steve Jobs etc?


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 26th, 2011 at 10:07am

Quote:
These protesters don’t want to “fix” anything. They have a vague notion that they need to bring down the man, tear down capitalism, the same tired drum-beat that has been going on for decades.

What makes me laugh is their use of social networking to get their message across. If it weren’t for capitalism, do you think there would be Microsoft? Apple? Steve Jobs etc?



Quote:
Oh? They are addressing a problem? I didn't realise.
What is the problem and how does occupying a quare for a few days address it?

"The Qantas CEO gets a gazillion bucks - I'd better camp out a coupla days, that'll show him?"
"The entire western world is in debt - time to sit down for a few days in a park".

How does this work?


The movement started in the US. They have lost their jobs and homes and they’re scared. They have been betrayed by the mainstream media. They have been betrayed by the government and the systems and institutions that were meant to support them. The US protesters are normal people who have been motivated to advocate for change because they’ve been burnt by treachery.

While things are nowhere as bad here, do we wait until they get there? It’s better to resolve the issues now.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Soren on Oct 26th, 2011 at 10:14am
How TO Interpret Green Left Utterances


I have written a new book, kids, on the above topic. The gist: whatever they say, the meaning is hiding somewhere in the opposite of what the utterance. A few examples:

We are the 99% - they are a tiny minority.
We are taking action - they are sitting on their arses, gasbagging.
This is about the future - this is about their internal political struggle and jokeying for position in their various Trots fractions.




Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 10:17am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 9:41am:

Quote:
Be nice if they could ID the unwashed that are on welfare and cancel it.

Then kick the crap out of 'em.



Or perhaps a better idea would be to address the problems the protesters are trying to fix.  Do you even see how you’re actively working against your own interests by opposing and vilifying them?


But it's the same problem that existed when we were that age, and when our parents were, and our grandparents.......

It's nothing to do with capitalism or the '1%'.....
All children want what their parents have, without having to put the time and effort into getting it....

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 26th, 2011 at 10:21am
You may be right where the Australian protesters are concerned, Gizmo. And if it is, at least they care. They're taking an interest.

The situation is very different in the US and Europe.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 26th, 2011 at 10:22am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 10:07am:

Quote:
These protesters don’t want to “fix” anything. They have a vague notion that they need to bring down the man, tear down capitalism, the same tired drum-beat that has been going on for decades.

What makes me laugh is their use of social networking to get their message across. If it weren’t for capitalism, do you think there would be Microsoft? Apple? Steve Jobs etc?


[quote]Oh? They are addressing a problem? I didn't realise.
What is the problem and how does occupying a quare for a few days address it?

"The Qantas CEO gets a gazillion bucks - I'd better camp out a coupla days, that'll show him?"
"The entire western world is in debt - time to sit down for a few days in a park".

How does this work?


The movement started in the US. They have lost their jobs and homes and they’re scared. They have been betrayed by the mainstream media. They have been betrayed by the government and the systems and institutions that were meant to support them. The US protesters are normal people who have been motivated to advocate for change because they’ve been burnt by treachery.

While things are nowhere as bad here, do we wait until they get there? It’s better to resolve the issues now.
[/quote]

What do you see as the "issues" that need to be resolved?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 10:27am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 10:21am:
You may be right where the Australian protesters are concerned, Gizmo. And if it is, at least they care. [highlight]They're taking an interest[/highlight].

The situation is very different in the US and Europe.


No, 'taking an interest' would involve well thought out solutions to the problem..
Sitting in a park, waving signs is 'lip-service' at best.....it will do NOTHING to address whatsoever problem it is that they care about....

Exactly like the various peace marches of the flower power era...it is all about appearance, and looking like you are 'there and not a square'....

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 10:33am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 10:27am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 10:21am:
You may be right where the Australian protesters are concerned, Gizmo. And if it is, at least they care. [highlight]They're taking an interest[/highlight].

The situation is very different in the US and Europe.


No, 'taking an interest' would involve well thought out solutions to the problem..
Sitting in a park, waving signs is 'lip-service' at best.....it will do NOTHING to address whatsoever problem it is that they care about....

Exactly like the various peace marches of the flower power era...it is all about appearance, and looking like you are 'there and not a square'....


exactly! why do these protesters claim to represent us when they have non such authority nor do they have any actual SOLUTIONS. they look like, act like and often SMELL like the usual suspects - RENT-A-PROTESTOR. at least the carbon tax protestors (on both sides) looked like real people with actual opinions.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 26th, 2011 at 10:41am
Friyay:

War, homelessness, extreme poverty (especially when juxtaposed with the over- indulgence and extravagance of the obscenely wealthy)

That's my starting list. All of these problems can be resolved by addressing corporate greed.

That said, I am not a protester, though I would be if I was in the US.



Quote:
No, 'taking an interest' would involve well thought out solutions to the problem..


Maybe they're havin' a brainstorm.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Wesley Pipes on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:21am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 10:41am:
Friyay:

War, homelessness, extreme poverty (especially when juxtaposed with the over- indulgence and extravagance of the obscenely wealthy)

That's my starting list. All of these problems can be resolved by addressing corporate greed.

That said, I am not a protester, though I would be if I was in the US.



Quote:
No, 'taking an interest' would involve well thought out solutions to the problem..


Maybe they're havin' a brainstorm.


War is at an all time low, homelessness is more often than not a failing of the homeless themslves, often through mental illness, and extreme poverty is unheard of in the western countries that are proetsting.

To my mind, the really dangerous issues are the ones being Pushed by the left. IE supported bythse protesters.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Soren on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:24am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq28qCklEHc


Dear kindly Sergeant Krupke,
You gotta understand,
It's just our bringin' up-ke
That gets us out of hand.




Whatcha gonna do?? It's SOCIETY's fault.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:28am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 10:41am:
Friyay:

War, homelessness, extreme poverty (especially when juxtaposed with the over- indulgence and extravagance of the obscenely wealthy)

That's my starting list. All of these problems can be resolved by addressing corporate greed.

That said, I am not a protester, though I would be if I was in the US.



Quote:
No, 'taking an interest' would involve well thought out solutions to the problem..


Maybe they're havin' a brainstorm.


Fair enough, especially the Iraq/Afghan "wars".

By addressing corporate greed, do i read in here, spreading the wealth better?

One thing i find perplexing, if these protestors had their way they would bring down the corporations.

Then were does the money come from? Who are the employers? Who pays the wages? What do you do with the billions of people that would lose their jobs?




Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:28am

Quote:
extreme poverty is unheard of in the western countries that are proetsting.


Even if that was true (and it's not), did you consider that the protesters see corporate greed as a global issue?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:31am

Quote:
One thing i find perplexing, if these protestors had their way they would bring down the corporations.


You'll find that most people would be satisfied with having the corporations held accountable and their influence on politics removed.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:35am

FriYAY wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:28am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 10:41am:
Friyay:

War, homelessness, extreme poverty (especially when juxtaposed with the over- indulgence and extravagance of the obscenely wealthy)

That's my starting list. All of these problems can be resolved by addressing corporate greed.

That said, I am not a protester, though I would be if I was in the US.



Quote:
No, 'taking an interest' would involve well thought out solutions to the problem..


Maybe they're havin' a brainstorm.


Fair enough, especially the Iraq/Afghan "wars".

By addressing corporate greed, do i read in here, spreading the wealth better?

One thing i find perplexing, if these protestors had their way they would bring down the corporations.

Then were does the money come from? Who are the employers? Who pays the wages? What do you do with the billions of people that would lose their jobs?


Anarchists dont have solutions. their idea is to DESTROY things. thatts why they are of no use to anyone. If you dont have a solution or an alternative then just go away...

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:37am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:31am:

Quote:
One thing i find perplexing, if these protestors had their way they would bring down the corporations.


You'll find that most people would be satisfied with having the corporations held accountable and their influence on politics removed.


Who is "most people"?

Who should private corporations be accountable to and for?

Agree with corporate influence in politics, it all sounds simple. :-/

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by dsmithy70 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:38am
We have a new sub group now,
When I left school there were 2,
Unemployed & Employed.
We now keep hearing more and more often of this 3rd group,
"The Working Poor".

The rich are richer
Banks are bailed out with public money
Bonuses are still paid to the very people who SCREWED UP!!!!
Yet the ranks of people working 2/3/4 jobs & still struggling to make ends meet continues to grow.
Can no one else see a potential problem here?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:38am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:31am:

Quote:
One thing i find perplexing, if these protestors had their way they would bring down the corporations.


You'll find that most people would be satisfied with having the corporations held accountable and their influence on politics removed.


why shoudl their influence be removed? I understand any group or individuals influence should be kept in perspective but no individual or group (eg corporation) should have their influence REMOVED.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Soren on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:41am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:31am:

Quote:
One thing i find perplexing, if these protestors had their way they would bring down the corporations.


You'll find that most people would be satisfied with having the corporations held accountable and their influence on politics removed.



Pay tax but have no say. That cause the American war of independence: no taxation without representation.

There is a a parliamentary system, with a load of laws and with with elections and a free media.


I think you are, perhaps subconsciously, suggesting that a rich guy or corporation is always wrong in any argument with a poorer guy or small business and so they shouldn't put their argument because that would be just unaccountable influence peddling.



Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:43am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:38am:
We have a new sub group now,
When I left school there were 2,
Unemployed & Employed.
We now keep hearing more and more often of this 3rd group,
"The Working Poor".

The rich are richer
Banks are bailed out with public money
Bonuses are still paid to the very people who SCREWED UP!!!!
Yet the ranks of people working 2/3/4 jobs & still struggling to make ends meet continues to grow.
Can no one else see a potential problem here?


This 'working poor' is hardly a new experience. Do you really want to think that in the 50s though 80s that there werent people who worked and yet remained poor? the reality is that we have vastly LESS working-poor than we used to. The problem is one of definitions. "poverty' is now defined as a standard of living that would be considered rich 40 years ago. 'working poor' has the same problem in that the definition changes and thus makes historical comparisons invalid.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:57am

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:38am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:31am:

Quote:
One thing i find perplexing, if these protestors had their way they would bring down the corporations.


You'll find that most people would be satisfied with having the corporations held accountable and their influence on politics removed.


why shoudl their influence be removed? I understand any group or individuals influence should be kept in perspective but no individual or group (eg corporation) should have their influence REMOVED.



Okay. For the sake of peace, "kept in perspective." Do you agree with the rest?



Quote:
I think you are, perhaps subconsciously, suggesting that a rich guy or corporation is always wrong in any argument with a poorer guy or small business and so they shouldn't put their argument because that would be just unaccountable influence peddling.


Do you really think I believe this? I gave you more credit for comprehension than that. Silly me.


Quote:
Who is "most people"?


I should have been clearer. I meant protesters.


Quote:
Who should private corporations be accountable to and for?


The public. Each other. Themselves.


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Wesley Pipes on Oct 26th, 2011 at 2:08pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:28am:

Quote:
extreme poverty is unheard of in the western countries that are proetsting.


Even if that was true (and it's not), did you consider that the protesters see corporate greed as a global issue?


Welfare is the boom industry in western nations - there is enough so that noone will ever have to experience EXTREME poverty.  These people getting $500 a week from the government don't have to cook dead rats from the rubbish tip for dinner or drink from open sewers.  What Their problem is, is that they're soft and stupid.  Soft, stupid with a sense of entitlement.  Call it what you like, I'm sick of making excuses for the lowest rungs on the human ladder.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 3:16pm
There will always be protests and riots when the gap between the haves and the have nots gets toooooo wide. Moral decay. Give something back, go on, it's good for the soul!

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTaeajPJyaW9bFuOp0dx-r4M3Cb7-pPgF5JjEAB5PowLSNQ0fajJw


http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJkWQqigFxhB_L0_f3zw_kCAPsqceRVqI7KXvIpgcX2SzXCNO1XA

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzIYElGCLpf5N_J_yhzRBMM_NVc79jUr2mhUDfrc0K_ZHmPOKJ

Donate a pair of footy boots for the poor kids in the Philippines, go on!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/50675156/Payatas-Football-Club

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Kat on Oct 26th, 2011 at 3:17pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:31am:

Quote:
One thing i find perplexing, if these protestors had their way they would bring down the corporations.


You'll find that most people would be satisfied with having the corporations held accountable and their influence on politics removed.





That's about the size of it.

I laugh when I see the 'establishment' (for want of a better word)
rubbishing and demonising them, and attempting to portray them
as communists.

Even the inaccurately-portrayed and stereotyped 'hippies' from the
60s have been brought up in an attempt to discredit the protestors.

What ARE you all afraid of?

There is nothing to fear, except necessary and overdue change
which will also benefit YOU.

We need MANY more of these protests, NOT less or none.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Wesley Pipes on Oct 26th, 2011 at 3:22pm
z
Kat wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 3:17pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:31am:

Quote:
One thing i find perplexing, if these protestors had their way they would bring down the corporations.


You'll find that most people would be satisfied with having the corporations held accountable and their influence on politics removed.





That's about the size of it.

I laugh when I see the 'establishment' (for want of a better word)
rubbishing and demonising them, and attempting to portray them
as communists.

Even the inaccurately-portrayed and stereotyped 'hippies' from the
60s have been brought up in an attempt to discredit the protestors.

What ARE you all afraid of?

There is nothing to fear, except necessary and overdue change
which will also benefit YOU.

We need MANY more of these protests, NOT less or none.



Change is good, so long as it is a change for the better.  Based on what I've seen of these clowns, I can say with confidence that given the chance, they'd make the world a whole lot worse.  

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 3:25pm
<<I'm sick of making excuses for the lowest rungs on the human ladder. >>
............................................................................

I've never heard you make an excuse for them.

Ah! poor wesley. Do you go to third world countries for your holidays and laugh at the people scrounging the tip for food?


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 3:30pm

Kat wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 3:17pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:31am:

Quote:
One thing i find perplexing, if these protestors had their way they would bring down the corporations.


You'll find that most people would be satisfied with having the corporations held accountable and their influence on politics removed.





That's about the size of it.

I laugh when I see the 'establishment' (for want of a better word)
rubbishing and demonising them, and attempting to portray them
as communists.

Even the inaccurately-portrayed and stereotyped 'hippies' from the
60s have been brought up in an attempt to discredit the protestors.

What ARE you all afraid of?

There is nothing to fear, except necessary and overdue change
which will also benefit YOU.

We need MANY more of these protests, NOT less or none.


why? what has been acheived? they claim to represent 99% of us but in reality represent almost no body. they have no solutions whatsover.

so tell me again what we gain from these protests besides some entertainment?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 3:33pm
<<Change is good, so long as it is a change for the better.  >>
................................................................................

Of course it would be change for the better.

Do you want the gap between the haves and the have-nots (rich and poor) getting wider?

What would be the benefit of that?

I could understand your point of view if you were a multi millionaire, but I'm sure you're not, we don't have any such animals on Ozpolitics, it's totally out of their league.

How would it benefit wesley_pipes if the fat cats put an extra 20% on everything?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Wesley Pipes on Oct 26th, 2011 at 3:40pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 3:33pm:
<<Change is good, so long as it is a change for the better.  >>
................................................................................

Of course it would be change for the better.

Do you want the gap between the haves and the have-nots (rich and poor) getting wider?

What would be the benefit of that?

I could understand your point of view if you were a multi millionaire, but I'm sure you're not, we don't have any such animals on Ozpolitics, it's totally out of their league.

How would it benefit wesley_pipes if the fat cats put an extra 20% on everything?



An astute judge would weigh up the pros and cons of any major change rather than saying 'Of course any change is for the better" and then wondering 'Oh why didn't I see this coming" when it all goes pear shaped.  But i suppose astute isn't a word you'd use to describe anyone with a leftist persepctive.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 26th, 2011 at 3:44pm
More people have showed up to see the Queen.

I don’t think the protesters represent as many people as they would like to think they do.

;)

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Kat on Oct 26th, 2011 at 4:09pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 3:30pm:

Kat wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 3:17pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:31am:

Quote:
One thing i find perplexing, if these protestors had their way they would bring down the corporations.


You'll find that most people would be satisfied with having the corporations held accountable and their influence on politics removed.





That's about the size of it.

I laugh when I see the 'establishment' (for want of a better word)
rubbishing and demonising them, and attempting to portray them
as communists.

Even the inaccurately-portrayed and stereotyped 'hippies' from the
60s have been brought up in an attempt to discredit the protestors.

What ARE you all afraid of?

There is nothing to fear, except necessary and overdue change
which will also benefit YOU.

We need MANY more of these protests, NOT less or none.


why? what has been acheived? they claim to represent 99% of us but in reality represent almost no body. they have no solutions whatsover.

so tell me again what we gain from these protests besides some entertainment?




Let's look at it this way.......

Your alarm-clock wakes you and alerts you to the fact that it's time
to get up.

But, it doesn't dress, shave and feed you then drive you to work.

YOU have to do that, yourself.


Well, in this protest scenario, they are the alarm-clock.

They have alerted us to the fact that there is a problem.

Which it is now up to US to acknowledge and attempt to fix.


So, maybe it's true that they have no idea of the fix. But there IS
a fix, and it is now up to us to find and implement it. And no, I
don't mean by destroying businesses and bringing governments down.

But some sensible regulation of banks and businesses, especially the
stock-exchange (BAN derivatives, for a start) and a stern reminder to
govts that we employ them, they do not own us, would certainly
be an essential first step.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 4:58pm
Exactly right Kat. Public servants must remember that is what they are. They are paid by us to work for us. Governments are employed by the people to work for the people, not for the banks or the multi national corporations or anyone else that feels like slipping them some money for favours.

We deserve and want honesty in government. We deserve and want transparency. If the government have done something wrong, we have the right to be told and the whistleblower has the right to freedom of speech.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 26th, 2011 at 5:04pm
Right on, Kat.


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Time on Oct 26th, 2011 at 5:09pm

Kat wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 4:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 3:30pm:

Kat wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 3:17pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:31am:

Quote:
One thing i find perplexing, if these protestors had their way they would bring down the corporations.


You'll find that most people would be satisfied with having the corporations held accountable and their influence on politics removed.





That's about the size of it.

I laugh when I see the 'establishment' (for want of a better word)
rubbishing and demonising them, and attempting to portray them
as communists.

Even the inaccurately-portrayed and stereotyped 'hippies' from the
60s have been brought up in an attempt to discredit the protestors.

What ARE you all afraid of?

There is nothing to fear, except necessary and overdue change
which will also benefit YOU.

We need MANY more of these protests, NOT less or none.


why? what has been acheived? they claim to represent 99% of us but in reality represent almost no body. they have no solutions whatsover.

so tell me again what we gain from these protests besides some entertainment?




Let's look at it this way.......

Your alarm-clock wakes you and alerts you to the fact that it's time
to get up.

But, it doesn't dress, shave and feed you then drive you to work.

YOU have to do that, yourself.


Well, in this protest scenario, they are the alarm-clock.

They have alerted us to the fact that there is a problem.

Which it is now up to US to acknowledge and attempt to fix.


So, maybe it's true that they have no idea of the fix. But there IS
a fix, and it is now up to us to find and implement it. And no, I
don't mean by destroying businesses and bringing governments down.

But some sensible regulation of banks and businesses, especially the
stock-exchange (BAN derivatives, for a start) and a stern reminder to
govts that we employ them, they do not own us, would certainly
be an essential first step.



So you've altered your position of wanting to shoot policemen and boot those who disagree with you from the country?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Time on Oct 26th, 2011 at 5:13pm
The intelligence level of some of the protesters: claiming North Korea is a worker's paradise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMV0TR3pGzg

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 6:58pm

Kat wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 3:17pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:31am:

Quote:
One thing i find perplexing, if these protestors had their way they would bring down the corporations.


You'll find that most people would be satisfied with having the corporations held accountable and their influence on politics removed.





That's about the size of it.

I laugh when I see the 'establishment' (for want of a better word)
rubbishing and demonising them, and attempting to portray them
as communists.

Even the inaccurately-portrayed and stereotyped 'hippies' from the
60s have been brought up in an attempt to discredit the protestors.

What ARE you all afraid of?

There is nothing to fear, except necessary and overdue change
which will also benefit YOU.

We need MANY more of these protests, NOT less or none.


It's not fear...it's contempt, and a little bit of amusement....

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Kat on Oct 26th, 2011 at 7:18pm
Well, if nothing changes, things can only get worse.

Let's see how contemptuous and amused we all
are when WE ALL start to suffer. And we WILL.

I remember the same 'amused and contemptuous' attitude
being directed at the anti-Vietnam war protestors in the 60s
and 70s. And we ALL know who was right then.

These are the same sort of people, doing something worthwhile
for EVERYONE, and all you can do is smirk and condemn.

Your loss........AND ours.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 7:39pm
That's right Kat, if we all didn't care or couldn't be bothered making an effort to improve the place, we may as well curl up and die. No one ever effected change by doing NOTHING. It seems to be the case that we do nothing until the situation gets serious, then we start to take action. It is right now that ordinary people are gradually getting fed up with propping up the mega wealthy.

I'm just glad to see that the youth of our country have taken a stance and still have the intestinal fortitude to get out there and lobby for a better future for all of us.


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 26th, 2011 at 7:44pm

Quote:
It's not fear...it's contempt, and a little bit of amusement....


Contempt...

The amusement is probably the pleasure you get from pretending you're superior to the protesters.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Pete on Oct 26th, 2011 at 8:28pm
Written over 48 years ago - and even more poignant right now.

To quote Frank Zappa - "take it away Bob..."

Come gather 'round people wherever you roam
And admit that the waters around you have grown
And accept it that soon you'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin'...
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide the chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon for the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who that it's namin'
For the loser now will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside and it is ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

[i]Come mothers and fathers throughout the land
And don't criticize what you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin'

Please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.[/i]

The line it is drawn the curse it is cast
The slow one now will later be fast
As the present now will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin'
And the first one now will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'.


I remember. I have not forgotten  :)

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 26th, 2011 at 9:15pm
I like It's Alright Ma too - better maybe.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Soren on Oct 26th, 2011 at 9:38pm
Kat's point is well made.

But clogging up the road as a way of being an alarm clock is uite a stupid and even counterproductive way. You will not get accountability by acting like a bunch of addledd, self-indulgent, inartculate, aimless, police baiting mass.

This is actually a good way to make people press the snooze button.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by dsmithy70 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 9:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:43am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 11:38am:
We have a new sub group now,
When I left school there were 2,
Unemployed & Employed.
We now keep hearing more and more often of this 3rd group,
"The Working Poor".

The rich are richer
Banks are bailed out with public money
Bonuses are still paid to the very people who SCREWED UP!!!!
Yet the ranks of people working 2/3/4 jobs & still struggling to make ends meet continues to grow.
Can no one else see a potential problem here?


This 'working poor' is hardly a new experience. Do you really want to think that in the 50s though 80s that there werent people who worked and yet remained poor? the reality is that we have vastly LESS working-poor than we used to. The problem is one of definitions. "poverty' is now defined as a standard of living that would be considered rich 40 years ago. 'working poor' has the same problem in that the definition changes and thus makes historical comparisons invalid.


Yes correct in the Australian context, but with this I look at it more from the point of view of Wall St rather than local.
In the US you really can work 3 jobs and not afford housing and 3 meals a day.
The gap between rich and poor in Northern hemisphere is quite pronounced, unemployment is in double figures, and they really did see their tax dollars go to bonuses for those who created the problem in the 1st place.
We need to take note, we can continue down that road or fix it before it reaches that stage here.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 26th, 2011 at 9:49pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 7:44pm:

Quote:
It's not fear...it's contempt, and a little bit of amusement....


Contempt...

The amusement is probably the pleasure you get from pretending you're superior to the protesters.



Dilettantes are amusing because it's them who pretend to be superior....

Ask yourself this.....of these 200 or so Australian protestors against Big Corporations, exactly how many, do you suppose, threw their mobiles down the sewer, shut off their cable tv and deleted their facebook and twitter profiles????

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 27th, 2011 at 5:58am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 9:49pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 7:44pm:

Quote:
It's not fear...it's contempt, and a little bit of amusement....


Contempt...

The amusement is probably the pleasure you get from pretending you're superior to the protesters.



Dilettantes are amusing because it's them who pretend to be superior....

Ask yourself this.....of these 200 or so Australian protestors against Big Corporations, exactly how many, do you suppose, threw their mobiles down the sewer, shut off their cable tv and deleted their facebook and twitter profiles????




Now it all makes sense. A power mindset.

I protested quite often in the 70's and 80's and never once felt superior to anyone, or inferior to anyone for that matter.

It's not about power, it's about airing your concerns. It's not about going back to the pre electronic technology age either.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 27th, 2011 at 6:17am
US cops tried to erase online evidence of brutality

Google has been asked by a US law enforcement agency to remove several videos exposing police brutality from the video sharing service YouTube, the company has revealed in its latest update to an online transparency report.

Another request filed by a different agency required Google to remove videos allegedly defaming law enforcement officials. The two requests were among 92 submissions for content removal by various authorities in the US filed between January and June 2011. Both were rejected by Google along with 27 per cent of the submissions.

The IT giant says the overall number of requests for content removal it receives from governmental agencies has risen, and so has the number of requests to disclose the private data of Google users.

Brazil heads the first list with 224 separate demands to remove a total of 689 items from its search results, as well as from YouTube and various other services. Google says its social networking service Orkut is very popular in the Latin American country, which partially explains the number of requests.

Heading the list of countries requesting the disclosure of personal data is the United States, where a total of 5,950 submissions targeting 11,057 user accounts have been filed. Google fully or partially complied with 93 per cent of those requests. Second on the list is India, with 1,732 requests over a six-month period.

http://rt.com/news/google-report-police-brutality-767/


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 27th, 2011 at 6:17am
A MELBOURNE man says he was the victim of excessive force after being swept up into the police eviction of the Occupy Melbourne protesters on Friday.   :(

Lachlan McRae says he was watching the anti-greed protest from the edge of the crowd when police advanced and he became mixed up with the demonstrators.   :(

Minutes later two policemen forced him to the ground, shoving their knees into his back and head. A third officer pepper sprayed him from ''point blank range''.


''This was already after I submitted and said I was not resisting,'' he said.

Mr McRae suffered ''unimaginable pain'' from the spray and a bruised cheek. He says he now wants to take legal action against police.

But police and their union have defended the officers who cleared the Occupy Melbourne camp from City Square where protesters had stayed for a week.

Occupy Melbourne's legal support team is now gathering statements from protesters who were arrested or clashed with police. It is calling for an inquiry into the police response.

Mr McRae, who said he was not politically affiliated, had visited the Occupy Melbourne camp in City Square last week.

He walked to the protest with his wife from their CBD apartment but they had no intention of joining in. Mr McRae said he became trapped between the crowd and a news stand on Swanston Street.  

Legal support team spokeswoman Erin Buckley said she believes other people were accidentally forced into the crowd and assaulted by police.   :(

''What we've seen is an extraordinary display of violence,'' she said. ''It appears to have been a move to intimidate people to stop them from protesting.''

Acting Chief Commissioner Ken Lay said police had prepared for a legal challenge before dispersing the crowd on Friday.

''We took efforts to make sure that we recorded everything we did both in video and in writing,'' he said.

Mr Lay said police would co-operate if there was an investigation into the handling of the protest.

Police are also reviewing video footage to identify who damaged six police cars in the demonstration. The cars' tyres were slashed and aerials broken.

Meanwhile, police believe an officer may have been defamed after a poster was distributed that accused an officer of being violent and dangerous.

''It's something that I haven't seen before and certainly from the information available to me, it was grossly unfair,'' he said.

Police are investigating who produced the posters and how widely they were distributed.

Police Association secretary Greg Davies said the posters were harmful to the officer.

''It's certainly dangerous for his reputation, dangerous to his legal standing and his rights as a human being,'' he said.

''If there is a legal avenue to identify who is responsible for printing, publishing and distributing these things we will pursue it forever.''

Occupy Melbourne spokesman Nick Carson said he did not know who was responsible for the posters and they were not officially endorsed.



Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Amadd on Oct 27th, 2011 at 6:43am

Quote:
Dilettantes are amusing because it's them who pretend to be superior....

Ask yourself this.....of these 200 or so Australian protestors against Big Corporations, exactly how many, do you suppose, threw their mobiles down the sewer, shut off their cable tv and deleted their facebook and twitter profiles????


Ask yourself this ..How many CEO's, corporate banks, etc. did it take to invent those products?  

Where did you get the idea that these (mostly young) people are protesting against human advancement? They're not!
It seems to me that they need to stay there a little longer until the message gets through.

Is it some amazing coincidence that people all over the western world know that there is "Something really rotten in Denmark"?



..And after all, these widespread protests have always been proven to be wrong in the long run haven't they?  ::)



Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 27th, 2011 at 8:49am

Amadd wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 6:43am:

Quote:
Dilettantes are amusing because it's them who pretend to be superior....

Ask yourself this.....of these 200 or so Australian protestors against Big Corporations, exactly how many, do you suppose, threw their mobiles down the sewer, shut off their cable tv and deleted their facebook and twitter profiles????


Ask yourself this ..How many CEO's, corporate banks, etc. did it take to invent those products?  

Where did you get the idea that these (mostly young) people are protesting against human advancement? They're not!
It seems to me that they need to stay there a little longer until the message gets through.

Is it some amazing coincidence that people all over the western world know that there is "Something really rotten in Denmark"?



..And after all, these widespread protests have always been proven to be wrong in the long run haven't they?  ::)


They certainly have, when held for 'feel good' reasons, and directed at the wrong targets....

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:07am
I love all these try hards calling for honesty in government.

Most of them sucked up the greatest lie and deceit of the Australian public in decades.

There will be no carbon tax.........

They just spin the lie because they support the policy, never mind the deceit if it works in your favor i guess. :-?

Hypocrisy much.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:12am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 5:58am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 9:49pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 7:44pm:

Quote:
It's not fear...it's contempt, and a little bit of amusement....


Contempt...

The amusement is probably the pleasure you get from pretending you're superior to the protesters.



Dilettantes are amusing because it's them who pretend to be superior....

Ask yourself this.....of these 200 or so Australian protestors against Big Corporations, exactly how many, do you suppose, threw their mobiles down the sewer, shut off their cable tv and deleted their facebook and twitter profiles????




Now it all makes sense. A power mindset.

I protested quite often in the 70's and 80's and never once felt superior to anyone, or inferior to anyone for that matter.

It's not about power, it's about airing your concerns. It's not about going back to the pre electronic technology age either.

Really??? Then why did you bother to protest???
If you didn't feel that your ideals and beliefs were better than the existing ones, why attempt to change them???

And it's not a 'power mindset', it's about the protestors having the courage of their convictions......or at least the dedication to practice what they preach...
Spending a week or more demanding (or encouraging) people stop supporting corporations and the dismantling of big corporations, while using services and technology supplied by those same corporations is like watching a group of "meat is murder" protestors having Mcdonalds Big Mac value meals for lunch.....

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by corporate_whitey on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:32am
I saw what the police did - the police moved in with violence and aggression on the peaceful protests of the people of Victoria showing themselves to be both violent ad dangerous, more interested in defending greed and corruption and the privileges of the few rather than the safety of the people.

It had all of the hallmarks of Eureka in miniature - history will condemn them.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:43am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:12am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 5:58am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 9:49pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 7:44pm:

Quote:
It's not fear...it's contempt, and a little bit of amusement....


Contempt...

The amusement is probably the pleasure you get from pretending you're superior to the protesters.



Dilettantes are amusing because it's them who pretend to be superior....

Ask yourself this.....of these 200 or so Australian protestors against Big Corporations, exactly how many, do you suppose, threw their mobiles down the sewer, shut off their cable tv and deleted their facebook and twitter profiles????




Now it all makes sense. A power mindset.

I protested quite often in the 70's and 80's and never once felt superior to anyone, or inferior to anyone for that matter.

It's not about power, it's about airing your concerns. It's not about going back to the pre electronic technology age either.

Really??? Then why did you bother to protest???
If you didn't feel that your ideals and beliefs were better than the existing ones, why attempt to change them???

And it's not a 'power mindset', it's about the protestors having the courage of their convictions......or at least the dedication to practice what they preach...
Spending a week or more demanding (or encouraging) people stop supporting corporations and the dismantling of big corporations, while using services and technology supplied by those same corporations is like watching a group of "meat is murder" protestors having Mcdonalds Big Mac value meals for lunch.....



You completely miss the point gizmo. One aspect is about the widening gap between the haves and have-nots and the growing number of disadvantaged that no matter how hard they work, their living standards are in decline.

Like Amaad said something's rotten and the only way to get rid of the stench is to take affirmative action.


There's probably as many different reasons as people, all valid I imagine.

I don't think anyone is screaming about going back in time. Protests don't have to be about going back to a time when things were different. It's about changing the things that are wrong at this time.

I am not in favour of dismantling corporations, although if they crash I am against government bail-outs, that's different.


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:54am

FriYAY wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:07am:
I love all these try hards calling for honesty in government.

Most of them sucked up the greatest lie and deceit of the Australian public in decades.

There will be no carbon tax.........

They just spin the lie because they support the policy, never mind the deceit if it works in your favor i guess. :-?

Hypocrisy much.



So you think it's about left and right? Everything that happens in the world is all about lefties and righties? oooooh kaaaaay! It's A political. The Occupy Wall Street/Melbourne wherever protests have NO political alignment. Liberal supporters actually think they are the 1%?.....crazy people! Not everything has to be about Liberal, Labor or the Greens, it's a big world out there and Australia is only a minute part of it.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Dnarever on Oct 27th, 2011 at 10:12am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:54am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:07am:
I love all these try hards calling for honesty in government.

Most of them sucked up the greatest lie and deceit of the Australian public in decades.

There will be no carbon tax.........

They just spin the lie because they support the policy, never mind the deceit if it works in your favor i guess. :-?

Hypocrisy much.



So you think it's about left and right? Everything that happens in the world is all about lefties and righties? oooooh kaaaaay! It's A political. The Occupy Wall Street/Melbourne wherever protests have NO political alignment. Liberal supporters actually think they are the 1%?.....crazy people! Not everything has to be about Liberal, Labor or the Greens, it's a big world out there and Australia is only a minute part of it.



I agree with Panis that its not political.

I would also add that The No carbon tax statment would not have made Howards top ten lies even if it had been a lie.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 27th, 2011 at 10:13am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:54am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:07am:
I love all these try hards calling for honesty in government.

Most of them sucked up the greatest lie and deceit of the Australian public in decades.

There will be no carbon tax.........

They just spin the lie because they support the policy, never mind the deceit if it works in your favor i guess. :-?

Hypocrisy much.



So you think it's about left and right? Everything that happens in the world is all about lefties and righties? oooooh kaaaaay! It's A political. The Occupy Wall Street/Melbourne wherever protests have NO political alignment. Liberal supporters actually think they are the 1%?.....crazy people! Not everything has to be about Liberal, Labor or the Greens, it's a big world out there and Australia is only a minute part of it.


No. I thought it was about honesty.

WTF you are raving about I have no idea what-so-ever. :-?

You sound a bit hysterical, you might need to have a rest.  :'(

.....meanwhile...

10’s of 1000’s turn up to see the Queen.

A few 100 people that have nothing better to do, set up a squalid camp in a public place, cause a public nuisance, don’t move on when asked and try to say they represent the 99%.

PMSL.



Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 27th, 2011 at 10:27am
For FriYaY

http://www.worldatlas.com/

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 27th, 2011 at 11:06am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 10:27am:
For FriYaY

http://www.worldatlas.com/


2 white flags in 2 threads, nice work Einstein.

For pansi....

:D :D :D

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 27th, 2011 at 11:31am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:43am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:12am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 5:58am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 9:49pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 7:44pm:

Quote:
It's not fear...it's contempt, and a little bit of amusement....


Contempt...

The amusement is probably the pleasure you get from pretending you're superior to the protesters.



Dilettantes are amusing because it's them who pretend to be superior....

Ask yourself this.....of these 200 or so Australian protestors against Big Corporations, exactly how many, do you suppose, threw their mobiles down the sewer, shut off their cable tv and deleted their facebook and twitter profiles????




Now it all makes sense. A power mindset.

I protested quite often in the 70's and 80's and never once felt superior to anyone, or inferior to anyone for that matter.

It's not about power, it's about airing your concerns. It's not about going back to the pre electronic technology age either.

Really??? Then why did you bother to protest???
If you didn't feel that your ideals and beliefs were better than the existing ones, why attempt to change them???

And it's not a 'power mindset', it's about the protestors having the courage of their convictions......or at least the dedication to practice what they preach...
Spending a week or more demanding (or encouraging) people stop supporting corporations and the dismantling of big corporations, while using services and technology supplied by those same corporations is like watching a group of "meat is murder" protestors having Mcdonalds Big Mac value meals for lunch.....



You completely miss the point gizmo. One aspect is about the widening gap between the haves and have-nots and the growing number of disadvantaged that no matter how hard they work, their living standards are in decline.

Like Amaad said something's rotten and the only way to get rid of the stench is to take affirmative action.


There's probably as many different reasons as people, all valid I imagine.

I don't think anyone is screaming about going back in time. Protests don't have to be about going back to a time when things were different. It's about changing the things that are wrong at this time.

I am not in favour of dismantling corporations, although if they crash I am against government bail-outs, that's different.


And I think you've completely missed MY point Pansi.....
I wasn't talking about mobile phones and facebook/twitter as a method of going back in time......I was talking about continuing to give money (by paying for services) to the very companies the protest is supposed to be against......
'Fighting' for the have-nots, without actually inconveniencing yourself, is what I find laughable.....

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Time on Oct 27th, 2011 at 12:33pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:54am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:07am:
I love all these try hards calling for honesty in government.

Most of them sucked up the greatest lie and deceit of the Australian public in decades.

There will be no carbon tax.........

They just spin the lie because they support the policy, never mind the deceit if it works in your favor i guess. :-?

Hypocrisy much.



So you think it's about left and right? Everything that happens in the world is all about lefties and righties? oooooh kaaaaay! It's A political. The Occupy Wall Street/Melbourne wherever protests have NO political alignment. Liberal supporters actually think they are the 1%?.....crazy people! Not everything has to be about Liberal, Labor or the Greens, it's a big world out there and Australia is only a minute part of it.



Rubbish. It's political to the core.
The ideas of the protesters are rooted in Marx and Rousseau and other assorted socialist and anarchist thinkers..


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by corporate_whitey on Oct 27th, 2011 at 12:44pm
You wish the protesters are anarchists, the corporations are anarchists, the Market and religious Fundamentalists The aristocracy is anarchistic, the protesters just want our representative participatory Parliamentary democracy back for the people, not hijacked by corporations and banks.  We just want free and fair elections, a free media and a democratic Government.  Unlike you who wants an exclusive Government or no government at all apart from corporate Governance.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 27th, 2011 at 1:04pm
If nothing else, the interest around an Australian movement, whether on the streets or online, shows a gathering segment of society is not content to sleepwalk while others have the important discussions about power.

Read more:
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/the-occupy-movement-here-is-just-getting-started-20111026-1mjnk.html#ixzz1bwo7qBR8

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Time on Oct 27th, 2011 at 1:11pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 12:44pm:
You wish the protesters are anarchists, the corporations are anarchists, the Market and religious Fundamentalists The aristocracy is anarchistic, the protesters just want our representative participatory Parliamentary democracy back for the people, not hijacked by corporations and banks.  We just want free and fair elections, a free media and a democratic Government.  Unlike you who wants an exclusive Government or no government at all apart from corporate Governance.


If the people didn't want the current or previous governments they wouldn't have voted them in.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Pete on Oct 27th, 2011 at 8:09pm
With their policy to price carbon!

(Sorry I couldn't resist. Back to normal transmission... :-[ )

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:08pm

Quote:
Oakland's independent police review body will examine the clashes between riot officers and protesters that left an Iraq war veteran in a critical condition as Occupy protestors prepare to rally at the same spot for a third night of protests.

Police battled protesters following an Occupy Oakland march to demonstrate against the closing of two occupations in the city in the early hours of Tuesday morning. More than 100 people have been arrested in Oakland since police cleared a camp in Frank Ogawa plaza.

Scott Olsen, 24, suffered a fractured skull and brain swelling after he was allegedly hit in the head by a police projectile during the clashes on Tuesday. A spokesperson for Highland hospital in east Oakland confirmed he was critically ill after being admitted on Tuesday night.


Jay Finneburgh, an activist photographer who was at the protest, published pictures of Olsen lying bloodied on the ground, while video footage appeared to show police throwing a 'flash bang' explosive close to fellow protesters trying to provide aid.


http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20111027&t=2&i=522928129&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=460&pl=300&r=BTRE79Q08I200

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/26/scott-olsen-occupy-oakland-review?newsfeed=true

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 27th, 2011 at 10:03pm

as was here, they should have obeyed the police when told.

it's a simple concept

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Pete on Oct 27th, 2011 at 10:12pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 10:03pm:
as was here, they should have obeyed the police when told.

it's a simple concept


Hmm. If you do that you're obeying the people the police work for. It is these people to whom you're protesting.

Unfortunately the police are the meat in the sandwich.

Like I said before, try not to blame the police. Instead blame their employer.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:18am

oh, I am not blaming the coppers at all.

if you want to ignore repeated warnings by authority that's up to you.
say hello to a police record and some pain

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by corporate_whitey on Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:30am
Good for the protesters for standing up for Australia against corporate greed and police state thuggery.  I to am doing my bit on youtube with my vlog - naming names  for my former employers and other \evil corporate thugs.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by corporate_whitey on Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:31am
deleted

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:56am

corporate_whitey wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:31am:
deleted


most logical thing you have posted for a long time

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Kat on Oct 28th, 2011 at 5:47am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 10:03pm:
as was here, they should have obeyed the police when told.

it's a simple concept




Rubbish!
The police over-reacted, as usual.

Nothing new there, though.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Gist on Oct 28th, 2011 at 8:30am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 10:03pm:
as was here, they should have obeyed the police when told.

it's a simple concept


The police (or rather their masters) are doing a great job of building a support base for the protestors. Keep it up.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:51am
100% behind the cops.

Have you say, move on, or take a great big cup of toughen the bugger up and get ready for the consequences.

I see the unwashed are planning to re-group in Melbourne tomorrow. A whole 12 protestors showed up in Treasury Gardens to hear about combating capsicum spray and tear gas. LOL.

I recon a water cannon would scare the schizen out of most of them…..time for a wash scumbag. ;)

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by helian on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:56am

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:51am:
100% behind the cops.

Have you say, move on, or take a great big cup of toughen the bugger up and get ready for the consequences.

I see the unwashed are planning to re-group in Melbourne tomorrow. A whole 12 protestors showed up in Treasury Gardens to hear about combating capsicum spray and tear gas. LOL.

I recon a water cannon would scare the schizen out of most of them…..time for a wash scumbag. ;)

The 'unwashed' eh?

Interesting (but not surprising) derogatory epithet from one who is likely a zombie for authoritarian democracy.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Gist on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:02am

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:51am:
100% behind the cops.

Have you say, move on, or take a great big cup of toughen the bugger up and get ready for the consequences.

I see the unwashed are planning to re-group in Melbourne tomorrow. A whole 12 protestors showed up in Treasury Gardens to hear about combating capsicum spray and tear gas. LOL.

I recon a water cannon would scare the schizen out of most of them…..time for a wash scumbag. ;)


That's a good little troll. Keep working on building that support, won't you?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:04am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:56am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:51am:
100% behind the cops.

Have you say, move on, or take a great big cup of toughen the bugger up and get ready for the consequences.

I see the unwashed are planning to re-group in Melbourne tomorrow. A whole 12 protestors showed up in Treasury Gardens to hear about combating capsicum spray and tear gas. LOL.

I recon a water cannon would scare the schizen out of most of them…..time for a wash scumbag. ;)

The 'unwashed' eh?

Interesting (but not surprising) derogatory epithet from one who is likely a zombie for authoritarian democracy.



lol....yes master....if you say so master.....how high should I jump master.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSUgks5h_eCrCi6iQ_NlcchISnWBYdUW3FhHi3uNHqVxe2m9eoSWw

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:15am

Gist wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:02am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:51am:
100% behind the cops.

Have you say, move on, or take a great big cup of toughen the bugger up and get ready for the consequences.

I see the unwashed are planning to re-group in Melbourne tomorrow. A whole 12 protestors showed up in Treasury Gardens to hear about combating capsicum spray and tear gas. LOL.

I recon a water cannon would scare the schizen out of most of them…..time for a wash scumbag. ;)


That's a good little troll. Keep working on building that support, won't you?


Thanks for your support mate. With only 12 showing up to hear how to combat “chemical weapons deployment” (LOL what a pack of dead heads) I think the unwashed need all the support they can get!

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by helian on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:21am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:04am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:56am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:51am:
100% behind the cops.

Have you say, move on, or take a great big cup of toughen the bugger up and get ready for the consequences.

I see the unwashed are planning to re-group in Melbourne tomorrow. A whole 12 protestors showed up in Treasury Gardens to hear about combating capsicum spray and tear gas. LOL.

I recon a water cannon would scare the schizen out of most of them…..time for a wash scumbag. ;)

The 'unwashed' eh?

Interesting (but not surprising) derogatory epithet from one who is likely a zombie for authoritarian democracy.



lol....yes master....if you say so master.....how high should I jump master.

That's it... You're onto it... Sort of... The fate of Zombie (in the original Haitian sense) democrats.

An incomprehension of the need for dissent and a burning desire for servility.


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:31am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:56am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:51am:
100% behind the cops.

Have you say, move on, or take a great big cup of toughen the bugger up and get ready for the consequences.

I see the unwashed are planning to re-group in Melbourne tomorrow. A whole 12 protestors showed up in Treasury Gardens to hear about combating capsicum spray and tear gas. LOL.

I recon a water cannon would scare the schizen out of most of them…..time for a wash scumbag. ;)

The 'unwashed' eh?

Interesting (but not surprising) derogatory epithet from one who is likely a zombie for authoritarian democracy.


Thank you. You're welcome.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Wesley Pipes on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:44am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:08pm:

Quote:
Oakland's independent police review body will examine the clashes between riot officers and protesters that left an Iraq war veteran in a critical condition as Occupy protestors prepare to rally at the same spot for a third night of protests.

Police battled protesters following an Occupy Oakland march to demonstrate against the closing of two occupations in the city in the early hours of Tuesday morning. More than 100 people have been arrested in Oakland since police cleared a camp in Frank Ogawa plaza.

Scott Olsen, 24, suffered a fractured skull and brain swelling after he was allegedly hit in the head by a police projectile during the clashes on Tuesday. A spokesperson for Highland hospital in east Oakland confirmed he was critically ill after being admitted on Tuesday night.


Jay Finneburgh, an activist photographer who was at the protest, published pictures of Olsen lying bloodied on the ground, while video footage appeared to show police throwing a 'flash bang' explosive close to fellow protesters trying to provide aid.


http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20111027&t=2&i=522928129&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=460&pl=300&r=BTRE79Q08I200

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/26/scott-olsen-occupy-oakland-review?newsfeed=true



also at occupy oakland...



Quote:
Early yesterday morning, we received a tip from a reader in the San Francisco East Bay area who informed us that a local reporter’s life had been threatened by an activist at the Occupy Oakland demonstration.

Our source, who is fearful of reprisal and has requested anonymity, says that KGO-TV’s Amy Hollyfield was accosted by a man who threatened her and used a racial slur:

“We shoot white bitches like you around here.”

According to our source, the Oakland Police Department was apparently called to the scene. Inquiries to the police, and to Hollyfield, which began at roughly 8 a.m. Pacific time yesterday, are still unanswered today.

Other local morning news reports from three of the major Bay Area stations suggested that the Occupy Oakland tent city had descended into rat-infested squalor with complaints of vandalism, public urination, sexual harassment, and sex in public.


A coincidence that one of, if not THE only "occupy" site that isn't overwhelmingly white is the one where violence should erupt?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by helian on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:45am

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:31am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:56am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:51am:
100% behind the cops.

Have you say, move on, or take a great big cup of toughen the bugger up and get ready for the consequences.

I see the unwashed are planning to re-group in Melbourne tomorrow. A whole 12 protestors showed up in Treasury Gardens to hear about combating capsicum spray and tear gas. LOL.

I recon a water cannon would scare the schizen out of most of them…..time for a wash scumbag. ;)

The 'unwashed' eh?

Interesting (but not surprising) derogatory epithet from one who is likely a zombie for authoritarian democracy.


Thank you. You're welcome.

Don't thank me... Just give me all your money.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Wesley Pipes on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:50am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:56am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:51am:
100% behind the cops.

Have you say, move on, or take a great big cup of toughen the bugger up and get ready for the consequences.

I see the unwashed are planning to re-group in Melbourne tomorrow. A whole 12 protestors showed up in Treasury Gardens to hear about combating capsicum spray and tear gas. LOL.

I recon a water cannon would scare the schizen out of most of them…..time for a wash scumbag. ;)

The 'unwashed' eh?

Interesting (but not surprising) derogatory epithet from one who is likely a zombie for authoritarian democracy.



ironically (though not really) in calling for an end to 'corporate greed" the lefties don't seem to realise that the only instrument capable of reining it in, is an authoritarian government.  Forgive me if I don't jump at the chance to give the government yet more power.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by philperth2010 on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:53am
http://www.pleasantonweekly.com/news/show_story.php?id=8012


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 28th, 2011 at 11:46am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:45am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:31am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:56am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:51am:
100% behind the cops.

Have you say, move on, or take a great big cup of toughen the bugger up and get ready for the consequences.

I see the unwashed are planning to re-group in Melbourne tomorrow. A whole 12 protestors showed up in Treasury Gardens to hear about combating capsicum spray and tear gas. LOL.

I recon a water cannon would scare the schizen out of most of them…..time for a wash scumbag. ;)

The 'unwashed' eh?

Interesting (but not surprising) derogatory epithet from one who is likely a zombie for authoritarian democracy.


Thank you. You're welcome.

Don't thank me... Just give me all your money.


Were do you normally get money from?

What corporation made your computer?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:09pm

Quote:
A coincidence that one of, if not THE only "occupy" site that isn't overwhelmingly white is the one where violence should erupt?


If it is not a coincidence, what is it? Evidence of increased violence in minority cultures?


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by helian on Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:58pm

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 11:46am:
Were do you normally get money from?

What corporation made your computer?

Are you saying that we should thank a corporation by letting them subvert democracy?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 28th, 2011 at 1:03pm

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:15am:

Gist wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:02am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:51am:
100% behind the cops.

Have you say, move on, or take a great big cup of toughen the bugger up and get ready for the consequences.

I see the unwashed are planning to re-group in Melbourne tomorrow. A whole 12 protestors showed up in Treasury Gardens to hear about combating capsicum spray and tear gas. LOL.

I recon a water cannon would scare the schizen out of most of them…..time for a wash scumbag. ;)


That's a good little troll. Keep working on building that support, won't you?


Thanks for your support mate. With only 12 showing up to hear how to combat “chemical weapons deployment” (LOL what a pack of dead heads) I think the unwashed need all the support they can get!


'Chemical weapons deployment'?????
What the hell is THAT?????

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 28th, 2011 at 2:01pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:58pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 11:46am:
Were do you normally get money from?

What corporation made your computer?

Are you saying that we should thank a corporation by letting them subvert democracy?


No, just thank them for all the things you have that make your life what it is.

Or are you posting via a tree using hand spun wires?
Do you have a Collgardie safe?
And a punkawolla?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 28th, 2011 at 2:02pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 1:03pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:15am:

Gist wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:02am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:51am:
100% behind the cops.

Have you say, move on, or take a great big cup of toughen the bugger up and get ready for the consequences.

I see the unwashed are planning to re-group in Melbourne tomorrow. A whole 12 protestors showed up in Treasury Gardens to hear about combating capsicum spray and tear gas. LOL.

I recon a water cannon would scare the schizen out of most of them…..time for a wash scumbag. ;)


That's a good little troll. Keep working on building that support, won't you?


Thanks for your support mate. With only 12 showing up to hear how to combat “chemical weapons deployment” (LOL what a pack of dead heads) I think the unwashed need all the support they can get!


'Chemical weapons deployment'?????
What the hell is THAT?????


Capsicum Spray. Leave it to the unwashed to exaggerate.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Wesley Pipes on Oct 28th, 2011 at 2:08pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:09pm:

Quote:
A coincidence that one of, if not THE only "occupy" site that isn't overwhelmingly white is the one where violence should erupt?


If it is not a coincidence, what is it? Evidence of increased violence in minority cultures?


You tell me.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 28th, 2011 at 2:26pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:09pm:

Quote:
A coincidence that one of, if not THE only "occupy" site that isn't overwhelmingly white is the one where violence should erupt?


If it is not a coincidence, what is it? Evidence of increased violence in minority cultures?


Doubtful....

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by helian on Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:25pm

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 2:01pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:58pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 11:46am:
Were do you normally get money from?

What corporation made your computer?

Are you saying that we should thank a corporation by letting them subvert democracy?

No, just thank them for all the things you have that make your life what it is.

How would you have us express this... gratitude?

By having us allowing them to gazump a democratically elected government, do you think?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by FriYAY on Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:34pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:25pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 2:01pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:58pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 11:46am:
Were do you normally get money from?

What corporation made your computer?

Are you saying that we should thank a corporation by letting them subvert democracy?

No, just thank them for all the things you have that make your life what it is.

How would you have us express this... gratitude?

By having us allowing them to gazump a democratically elected government, do you think?


Gazump, this and the last democratically elected government have and are gazumping themselves without any help.


Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:59pm
I'm sure the baby boomers are very thankful that the 1% gambled away their pension fund and now they either have to keep working forever, or try to live on the meagre old age pension. No rewards for those 50 years of hard yakka.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 28th, 2011 at 4:06pm

... wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 2:08pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:09pm:

Quote:
A coincidence that one of, if not THE only "occupy" site that isn't overwhelmingly white is the one where violence should erupt?


If it is not a coincidence, what is it? Evidence of increased violence in minority cultures?


You tell me.


You mentioned race. Do you think it's the reason for the violence?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by helian on Oct 28th, 2011 at 5:02pm

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:25pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 2:01pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:58pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 11:46am:
Were do you normally get money from?

What corporation made your computer?

Are you saying that we should thank a corporation by letting them subvert democracy?

No, just thank them for all the things you have that make your life what it is.

How would you have us express this... gratitude?

By having us allowing them to gazump a democratically elected government, do you think?


Gazump, this and the last democratically elected government have and are gazumping themselves without any help.


Is that a Yes?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by corporate_whitey on Oct 28th, 2011 at 5:40pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:59pm:
I'm sure the baby boomers are very thankful that the 1% gambled away their pension fund and now they either have to keep working forever, or try to live on the meagre old age pension. No rewards for those 50 years of hard yakka.

The super was always a scam pansi - a social Pension is our best shot, we all have to set our sights a bit more realistically, we have to stop the greed, mismanagement and corruption and make sure we all have a fair go - not just the one % all the time.  For a brief time in the 20th century we got a glimpse of what it could be like, sadly we abolished everything our grandparents fought for - labor regulations and rights and justice and look at whats left?  Instead of throwing Jeff Kennett in the river we let him open up the departure lounge and throw Victorians in the river!!!!

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 28th, 2011 at 5:56pm
I'm heading to OccupyBrisbane for the weekend to sort out those pesky cops  :) apparently there are quite a few who are in sympathy with the cause. It might only be the riot squad that wants to riot. Yes I will be taking shampoo, conditioner, deodorant and soap....I am the great washed!

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by helian on Oct 28th, 2011 at 6:00pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 5:40pm:
For a brief time in the 20th century we got a glimpse of what it could be like, sadly we abolished everything our grandparents fought for - labor regulations and rights and justice

Yes, you're right, we did.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 28th, 2011 at 7:05pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:59pm:
I'm sure the baby boomers are very thankful that the 1% gambled away their pension fund and now they either have to keep working forever, or try to live on the meagre old age pension. No rewards for those 50 years of hard yakka.


Yeah, but us baby boomers haven't gambled away our pensions....

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Wesley Pipes on Oct 28th, 2011 at 7:15pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 7:05pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:59pm:
I'm sure the baby boomers are very thankful that the 1% gambled away their pension fund and now they either have to keep working forever, or try to live on the meagre old age pension. No rewards for those 50 years of hard yakka.


Yeah, but us baby boomers haven't gambled away our pensions....



Don't worry Pansi, you'll gte your pension.  But by the time I reach retirement age, your generation will have already have bled social security dry, so it'll be my generation that suffers the consequences of your generations actions.  

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 28th, 2011 at 7:37pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 7:05pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:59pm:
I'm sure the baby boomers are very thankful that the 1% gambled away their pension fund and now they either have to keep working forever, or try to live on the meagre old age pension. No rewards for those 50 years of hard yakka.


Yeah, but us baby boomers haven't gambled away our pensions....



Industry Superannuation did that for us. Rotten gamblers too! they may as well have flushed it down the dunny, but its not all bad, the CEO's still get their squillion dollar bonuses......for atrocious performance too!

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by pansi1951 on Oct 28th, 2011 at 7:42pm

... wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 7:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 7:05pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:59pm:
I'm sure the baby boomers are very thankful that the 1% gambled away their pension fund and now they either have to keep working forever, or try to live on the meagre old age pension. No rewards for those 50 years of hard yakka.


Yeah, but us baby boomers haven't gambled away our pensions....



Don't worry Pansi, you'll gte your pension.  But by the time I reach retirement age, your generation will have already have bled social security dry, so it'll be my generation that suffers the consequences of your generations actions.  



Ha! wesley, you've got buckleys, there's not enough in the pension fund for us, we'll get the dregs, you'll get nothing, back to pre pension days, pre social security of any kind days. Isn't that what you want though?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Wesley Pipes on Oct 28th, 2011 at 7:45pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 7:42pm:

... wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 7:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 7:05pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:59pm:
I'm sure the baby boomers are very thankful that the 1% gambled away their pension fund and now they either have to keep working forever, or try to live on the meagre old age pension. No rewards for those 50 years of hard yakka.


Yeah, but us baby boomers haven't gambled away our pensions....



Don't worry Pansi, you'll gte your pension.  But by the time I reach retirement age, your generation will have already have bled social security dry, so it'll be my generation that suffers the consequences of your generations actions.  



Ha! wesley, you've got buckleys, there's not enough in the pension fund for us, we'll get the dregs, you'll get nothing, back to pre pension days, pre social security of any kind days. Isn't that what you want though?



I won't mind not having a pension available to me, but what I probably WILL mind is what the hundreds of millions of urchins who are accustomed to receiving money for nothing will do when the money stops flowing.  That's the real consequence I'm talking about.

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Grey on Oct 29th, 2011 at 8:34am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 26th, 2011 at 9:15pm:
I like It's Alright Ma too - better maybe.


I like working class hero myself :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNzwyXIK25w

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by Dnarever on Oct 29th, 2011 at 8:44am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 4:06pm:
You mentioned race. Do you think it's the reason for the violence?



The Derby or the Mackinnon?

Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by imcrookonit on Oct 30th, 2011 at 6:30pm
October 30, 2011 - 12:51PM

Occupy Melbourne, which has supported the ongoing industrial dispute at Qantas, said the decision to ground the carrier's fleet was outrageous.   >:(

The protest group has supported the unions involved in industrial action against Qantas since it was formed and planned to meet at the airline's domestic terminal today.

However, the unions felt it would not help their cause and organisers from Occupy Melbourne cancelled the rally.


Occupy Melbourne spokesman Ben Convey, a member of the group's union arm, said: "What is happening at Qantas at the moment is what our movement is all about.   ;)

"The actions of [Qantas chief executive] Alan Joyce are an absolute disgrace and a slap in the face to everybody in Australia.   :(

"It is just a truly outrageous action by Qantas."



Title: Re: Police Use Excessive Force To Remove Protesters.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 30th, 2011 at 6:33pm

wrote on Oct 30th, 2011 at 6:30pm:
October 30, 2011 - 12:51PM

Occupy Melbourne, which has supported the ongoing industrial dispute at Qantas, said the decision to ground the carrier's fleet was outrageous.   >:(

The protest group has supported the unions involved in industrial action against Qantas since it was formed and planned to meet at the airline's domestic terminal today.

However, the unions felt it would not help their cause and organisers from Occupy Melbourne cancelled the rally.


Occupy Melbourne spokesman Ben Convey, a member of the group's union arm, said: "What is happening at Qantas at the moment is what our movement is all about.   ;)

"The actions of [Qantas chief executive] Alan Joyce are an absolute disgrace and a slap in the face to everybody in Australia.   :(

"It is just a truly outrageous action by Qantas."



It was a truly brilliant action by Qantas....

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