THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE OF AUSTRALIA DOESNT WANT THE CARBON TAX, PERIOD, KAPULT, FINITO.....

The so called precise and accurate polls of morgan, galaxy, the ones that the laborites love and use in there posts,  or whatever you fancy continue to confirm alongside NSW state labors decimation in that NSW state election with historic proportions that Labor is NOT WANTED because it wants to continue to impose a tax that has the potential to DAMAGE entire industries in an attempt to change an entire economy to fulfill this Green left agarian vision on there TERMS.

The polls have being consistent in measuring the fact that most australians oppose this Carbon tax for some time, SO WHY THE HELL FIGHT IT, FIGHT THE MAJORITY ????

I mean these Unions woke up now and are now tiptoeing to the majority position on this tax NO B****Y CARBON TAX, I guess the heckling from the steel workers made them see with open eyes that there is a MAJORITY out there who HATE THIS TAX, no matter how much these idiots from Canberra who think they can take us on guilt trips by reciting vague temperature numbers and other vague and hazy scientific data on global temperatures in there speeches reeking with SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS

So I ask you when will Labor get the message, WE DONT WANT AND NEED THIS *&%#** TAX

are you telling me 8 thousand Getup members are WRONG???????

they are the bullying unionites, that's how they work

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are you telling me 8 thousand Getup members are WRONG???????

You bet you CODS, Wrong to the core

stryder wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 10:02pm:

Quote: are you telling me 8 thousand Getup members are WRONG??????? You bet you CODS, Wrong to the core

Getup = rent-a-crowd.....professional protestors....

stryder wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 10:02pm:

Quote: are you telling me 8 thousand Getup members are WRONG??????? You bet you CODS, Wrong to the core

WOW thats telling them last week we got told that 8000 turned up to say YES TO THE CARBON TAX.... and that was a good thing a very intelligent thing.they spoke for most australians.. huhum

and now we have the unions up in arms about this TAX.. wonder where that leaves them? lol..

GETUP =

Oh yes Im familiar in knowledge of its spokesman for GETUP, BRETT SOLOMAN.

He never seems good and comes across as pretty weak in DEBATING if anyone has had the priviledge of seeing him on television.  ;D

Julia is just Bob Brown's puppet. She is not really the PM, he is, and she his puppet. She would sell her own grandmother to stay in "power".

cods wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 9:55pm:

are you telling me 8 thousand Getup members are WRONG???????

Not possible. There is no way thousands of sociology/cultural studies undegraduates can be wrong. That's, like, no way, man, seriously, trust me, like, wow! Can't think it!

I believe there should be one protest by the anti carbon tax coalition, and that is to target the GREENS, Remember its not just JuLIAR Gilliard, but BOB BROWN who really is also the instigator of pushing this carbon tax, I believe a protest against the Green partys headquarters WHEREEVER IT IS or where ever Bob Brown is.

Bob Brown used to dish out protests in his younger days, MAYBE HE NEEDS TO RECIEVE SOME OF THAT BACK AGAINST HIM TO WAKE UP TO THE AUSTRALIAN MAJORITY.

stryder wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 10:12pm:

GETUP = Oh yes Im familiar in knowledge of its spokesman for GETUP, BRETT SOLOMAN. He never seems good and comes across as pretty weak in DEBATING if anyone has had the priviledge of seeing him on television.  ;D

no saw the owner once shrek I call him but I think it Sheik or something like that...tried to convince everyone he wasnt left of left. has about 300.000 members most on here i think lol..I get letters sent by a someone I know from time to time.. telling them to bob=mbard their local member about something that upsets shrek..lol and like sheep they do... funny how some need to be told to put one foot in front of the other dont you think?..

if shrek says JUMP they say HOW HIGH master...

stryder wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 10:24pm:

I believe there should be one protest by the anti carbon tax coalition, and that is to target the GREENS, Remember its not just JuLIAR Gilliard, but BOB BROWN who really is also the instigator of pushing this carbon tax, I believe a protest against the Green partys headquarters WHEREEVER IT IS or where ever Bob Brown is. Bob Brown used to dish out protests in his younger days, MAYBE HE NEEDS TO RECIEVE SOME OF THAT BACK AGAINST HIM TO WAKE UP TO THE AUSTRALIAN MAJORITY.

Yer, well...it seems that many of your fellow right whingers are too thick to respond to Abbott's thinly-veiled inciting of hatred of 'PM Bob Brown'...

You lot were supposed to go after him - not his 'biatch'...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 10:07pm:

stryder wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 10:02pm: Quote: are you telling me 8 thousand Getup members are WRONG??????? You bet you CODS, Wrong to the core Getup = rent-a-crowd.....professional protestors....

unemployed environmentalists

Maqqa wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 10:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 10:07pm: stryder wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 10:02pm: Quote: are you telling me 8 thousand Getup members are WRONG??????? You bet you CODS, Wrong to the core Getup = rent-a-crowd.....professional protestors.... unemployed environmentalists

Climate change = failed environmentalism + failed unemployable environmentalists

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Yer, well...it seems that many of your fellow right whingers are too thick to respond to Abbott's thinly-veiled inciting of hatred of 'PM Bob Brown'

Really, Thinly veiled, IT MUST HAVE BEEN SOOOOO THINNLY VEILED THAT I HADNT NOTICED ANY INDICTIVE MALICE ABOUT BOB BROWN IN TONY ABBOTTS COMMENTS THAT WOULD IN ANY ATTEMPT TO INCITE THAT KIND OF ANIMOSITY TOWARDS HIM.


Maybe its all in your head, Equitist  :)

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Yer, well...it seems that many of your fellow right whingers are too thick to respond to Abbott's thinly-veiled inciting of hatred of 'PM Bob Brown'

Hang on Equitist, I THINK know where your going with this, maybe along the way you might imply because Tony Abbott is somewhat of a commited Catholic believer you would believe he would incite hatred against Bob Brown because he is a homosexual and these people according to the Catholic Church are a big NO NO NO to them.

Correct ?????  ;D ;D ;D

Soren wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 10:18pm:

cods wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 9:55pm: are you telling me 8 thousand Getup members are WRONG??????? Not possible. There is no way thousands of sociology/cultural studies undegraduates can be wrong. That's, like, no way, man, seriously, trust me, like, wow! Can't think it!

I'd recomend going with the 25 or so Liberal pensioners. - how could they be wrong?

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I'd recomend going with the 25 or so Liberal pensioners. - how could they be wrong?

Oh yes and many like those liberal pensioners that you seem to look down apon making up THAT majority going against the Carbon tax, that majority must **** you off a little, hey Dnaever,  ;D

You Laborites take a deep breath and absorb this perspective.


JULIA GILLIARD IS THE PRIME MINISTER, Not Tony abbott.

JULIA GILLIARD MADE GROSS GIGANTIC POLITICAL MISCALCULATIONS THATS RUINING HER OWN PARTY, Not Tony Abbott.

EVERYONE IS TURNING AGAINST JULIA GILLIARD, Not Tony Abbott.


Absorb this and maybe you might move on,  ;D ;D ;D

stryder wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 9:53pm:

THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE OF AUSTRALIA DOESNT WANT THE CARBON TAX, PERIOD, KAPULT, FINITO.....

Actually, in most polls, although a clear majority reject carbon taxing, when asked whether they would be more or less likely to support a tax if households are compensated a majority say more likely.

That doesn't imply support for the tax but it does imply tjhat people are open to changing their minds once the full details of the package haven been finalised.

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Actually, in most polls, although a clear majority reject carbon taxing, when asked whether they would be more or less likely to support a tax if households are compensated a majority say more likely

Oh and on top of that, Bob Brown admitted the Carbon tax will COST JOBS, AND SEND PEOPLE UNEMPLOYED, COMPENSATION WONT HELP THOSE WHO MIGHT LOSE THERE JOBS FROM THIS ??

Yeah, astro boy, Im sure they will ACCEPT THAT ON TOP TOO,  ;D ;D

astro_surf wrote on Apr 16^th, 2011 at 12:14pm:

stryder wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 9:53pm: THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE OF AUSTRALIA DOESNT WANT THE CARBON TAX, PERIOD, KAPULT, FINITO..... Actually, in most polls, although a clear majority reject carbon taxing, when asked whether they would be more or less likely to support a tax if households are compensated a majority say more likely. That doesn't imply support for the tax but it does imply tjhat people are open to changing their minds once the full details of the package haven been finalised.

a lot of people will support a carbon tax if it costs THEM absolutely nothing.  why this is a surprise is beyond me. But as soon as it is going to cost them something significant - and it will - suddenly they think a bit harder about it. that is the problem with a lot of the supposed polls on the carbon tax. all they do is say would u support it if compensated fully. of course most people say yes! but as soon as it is going to cost them money support plunges.

a lot of people will support a carbon tax if it costs THEM absolutely nothing.


Maybe the dumb ones,  but why would you support a TAX that does nothing for the environment and just goes to the government.  I don't know anyone who supports it whether it costs or not.

It will come down to the next election and what is offered by the two major parties!!!

Labor will by all accounts have a carbon tax that will compensate most Australian's and move towards a fully fledged emissions trading scheme....A policy that is considered the best way to address climate change by most economists.....They will also be rolling out the NBN across the nation to provide high speed broadband to the majority of Australian's.....Health reforms and the national education curriculum will also be rolling out across the nation.....All things that will be in jeopardy if the Coalition win government!!!

Compare this to Abbott's plan to dump the carbon tax on polluters thus forgoing the revenue it generates....They would also stop the NBN denying communities high speed broadband where it has not been completed.....Then he will strip away any compensation as it will not longer be needed.....Then he will have to cut Government spending or raise taxes to afford to pay the big polluters to cut emissions at taxpayers expense.....A policy that has been condemned as being expensive and inefficient.....Greg Hunt must rely on dubious studies and fudging CSIRO data to prove he has no idea.....the Coalitions climate change policy is an absolute mess!!!

Labor the Greens and Independents all know what is at stake at the next election.....Why do you think they are forging ahead to be sure they get the best outcome for there communities....They are not as stupid as the Coalition are taking them for....Abbott is desperate to bring down the government before the next election where he will have to provide real policy alternatives....His only option is to rush to an election where he will have an excuse for lacking substance and having no policies!!!

:)

Labor will by all accounts have a carbon tax that will compensate most Australian's and move towards a fully fledged emissions trading scheme

Not even labor says most people will be compensated. even they - without a single detail - only say SOME will be compensated.

and lets not forget the experience of the EU with their ETS. the economy is in ruins around them and their emissions have not change one iota! not exactly the kind of referecen for a carbon tax, is it?

They will also be rolling out the NBN across the nation to provide high speed broadband to the majority of Australian's.....

85% of the country already does. the yawn factor over the NBN is pretty high among communities who will be offered a landline (which they already have and are hardly using) and a 12Mbps internet which most already have via ADLS 2+.

remember the incredibly low take-up rate of the NBN in Tasmania? it was FREE and they still didnt want it.  it has been the same experience overseas as well eg in Singapore.

the NBN is NOT a vote winner. it is in fact a risky operation that could lose tens of billions of dollars.

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THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE OF AUSTRALIA DOESNT WANT THE CARBON TAX

EVIDENCE??????????????????????
without it your thread is just another lie.

Experts in communications say that fibre optic is the best technology.....Why shouldn't Australians have the best considering the revenue that will be generated by the mining tax the ETS and a cut to weathfare.....The Howard government squandered the revenue during there term of office and provided no infrastructure to grow the national economy....Labor will use some of the revenue to provide the best communications network in the world.....What would you have the proceeds of the next boom spent on Longy.....More tax cuts and tax concessions for high income earners.....I fail to see any rational argument why the NBN should not be built!!!

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EVIDENCE?????????????????????? without it your thread is just another lie.

What your telling me Skip, that you havent been reading the last recent Morgan and Galaxy polls where Labors primary vote has been dipping down around 30% and has been hanging around the low 30s, ever since JuLIAR Gilliard BROKE HER PLEDGE NOT TO BRING IN A CARBON TAX, ????

Well Skip I guess you can only find comfort in SELF DENIAL of what is happening politically to labor and the Carbon tax.

stryder wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 9:53pm:

THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE OF AUSTRALIA DOESNT WANT THE CARBON TAX, PERIOD, KAPULT, FINITO..... The so called precise and accurate polls of morgan, galaxy, the ones that the laborites love and use in there posts,  or whatever you fancy continue to confirm alongside NSW state labors decimation in that NSW state election with historic proportions that Labor is NOT WANTED because it wants to continue to impose a tax that has the potential to DAMAGE entire industries in an attempt to change an entire economy to fulfill this Green left agarian vision on there TERMS. The polls have being consistent in measuring the fact that most australians oppose this Carbon tax for some time, SO WHY THE HELL FIGHT IT, FIGHT THE MAJORITY ???? I mean these Unions woke up now and are now tiptoeing to the majority position on this tax NO B****Y CARBON TAX, I guess the heckling from the steel workers made them see with open eyes that there is a MAJORITY out there who HATE THIS TAX, no matter how much these idiots from Canberra who think they can take us on guilt trips by reciting vague temperature numbers and other vague and hazy scientific data on global temperatures in there speeches reeking with SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS So I ask you when will Labor get the message, WE DONT WANT AND NEED THIS *&%#** TAX

Very good equation to your opening comment styder , in the age.


http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/a-nation-of-fickle-fools-20110412-1dcjd.html

The Australian public keeps changing its mind on climate change. No wonder our leaders don't know where to step.

Most Australians say they don't want a carbon tax. So what do they want? After all, over the past year, Australians have transformed themselves from a citizenry worried about global warming, and asking for something to be done, into an outraged mob indignant to discover that their noble desire to protect the future means they must pay a bit more for petrol and power.

How easily the public's penny-pinching is exploited by a handful of ranting shock jocks. "The carbon tax is a terrible injustice, foisted on the battlers by out-of-touch elites," they fulminate, before turning off their spittle-flecked microphones to return to their harbour-side penthouses.

What is so dispiriting about the scare campaign is that the deployment of infantile and transparently manipulative phrases such as "a great big new tax" can work so well on the Australian public.
What do Australians want? The answer is clear. We want symbols of action but not action itself. We want to hear words that make us feel good about ourselves but none that ask us to make any sacrifice. We care about climate change, but we hate the idea of having to do anything about it.

Give us leaders, says the great Australian public, as long as they do not ask us to follow. So the public gets what it wants - hollow leaders who will go through the motions, massaging their sense of entitlement to make them feel secure.
In the face of an overwhelming threat to all we treasure, to our very future, we repudiate action and instead retreat into wishful thinking.

Yet hope without action is just a vapour. We have outsourced our fate to a phantom - maybe a bit of technological magic will save us, or a god will take pity on us. Or something, we don't know what, will just happen.

But there is one group that has no sympathy, a group that has too much at stake to believe the shock jocks, the conspiracy theorists and the anti-science big shots. Young people. They get it. They are scared and can see through the selfishness, the money-grubbing and the ego-tripping. They know they are going to have to live with the consequences of the want-it-all vacillation of the great Australian public. It's down to them: do something.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/a-nation-of-fickle-fools-20110412-1dcjd.html#ixzz1JfqMA9BC


and WHO will this Young group vote for in the coming years. I have a theory !  :-*

The Australian public keeps changing its mind on climate change. No wonder our leaders don't know where to step.




veg thats the trouble

THIS GOVT HAS MADE UP ITS MIND AND HAS TAKEN THE STEP.it has done it without our say so.. without our voice telling them its okay..

now rudd did not go to the polls with his ETS he went on the understanding he would ratify kyoto. with resounding success from memory.. in fact he rather enjoyed his moment in the sun and tried really hard to relive it in Copenhagen..ha.ha.. however since then its all started to unravell and not so many are all for this ETS. CARBON TAX.. human involved pollutions causing the climate change .. that they were fooled into believing by the likes of Al Gore..

they started asking questions and getting difgferent answers.. and then it was voodoo and hokus pokus..they fiddled the figures.. anyway it seem to have come crashing down

instead of being the greatest challenge its whimped away and is now all down to MONEY dollars and cents.. who gets what.. and or the biggest slice of the pie..

no better than a third world country or Zimbabwee for that matter.

I mean even our earstwhile govt has stopped its solar rebates WHY???.. you may well ask..

well because more people took it up than they wanted to take it up...

thats how keen they are for us all to have clean green energy..

slam the door shut on the rebates..lol..

the pink batts scam was all about the unemployment figures and we from the right know this..ok it worked for a while.. BUT look at the cost?????

4 young people dead..and a heap of business' gone just like that..


but we are destined to save this planet if it kills gillard and the ALP doing it. WHY because the greens and Al Gore said so.

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and WHO will this Young group vote for in the coming years. I have a theory !     Back to top

Theorise all you like Vegitimate, the future is always in the END unpredictable,

She's lost and directionless.


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THE Gillard government's plans to put a price on carbon have suffered a body blow, with key unions demanding exemptions for industry that are unacceptable to the Greens. With his own job under threat from a hostile membership, the national secretary of the Australian Workers Union, Paul Howes, demanded yesterday that the steel industry be given a complete exemption from the carbon scheme and that there be generous compensation for the aluminium, cement and glass sectors. Mr Howes issued the demand after a fiery crisis meeting with nine union branch secretaries from across Australia. It is understood Mr Howes, who is up for re-election before the next federal election, faced being dumped if he did not issue the demands. Advertisement: Story continues below The AWU is influential in the Right faction of the ALP and was instrumental in Julia Gillard's coup against Kevin Rudd last year. Immediately after Mr Howes's announcement, he was backed by the powerful Australian Manufacturing Workers Union, which influences the party's Left. The loss of support from the industrial wing of the party leaves the government stuck between the unions and the Greens, whose support is critical.,.............

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/gillards-carbon-hopes-up-in-smoke-20110415-1dhwc.html

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2011 at 3:26pm:

Experts in communications say that fibre optic is the best technology.....Why shouldn't Australians have the best considering the revenue that will be generated by the mining tax the ETS and a cut to weathfare.....The Howard government squandered the revenue during there term of office and provided no infrastructure to grow the national economy....Labor will use some of the revenue to provide the best communications network in the world.....What would you have the proceeds of the next boom spent on Longy.....More tax cuts and tax concessions for high income earners.....I fail to see any rational argument why the NBN should not be built!!!

and ironically you provided not a single REASON for the NBN - like always. All you said is 'I want it'. thats just not good enough!

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2011 at 9:16pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 16th, 2011 at 3:26pm: Experts in communications say that fibre optic is the best technology.....Why shouldn't Australians have the best considering the revenue that will be generated by the mining tax the ETS and a cut to weathfare.....The Howard government squandered the revenue during there term of office and provided no infrastructure to grow the national economy....Labor will use some of the revenue to provide the best communications network in the world.....What would you have the proceeds of the next boom spent on Longy.....More tax cuts and tax concessions for high income earners.....I fail to see any rational argument why the NBN should not be built!!! and ironically you provided not a single REASON for the NBN - like always. All you said is 'I want it'. thats just not good enough!

I beg to differ Longy.....why shouldn't Australia have the NBN....It will provide Australia with the best telecommunication network in the world…Why shouldn’t we built state of the art infrastructure???

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2011 at 9:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2011 at 9:16pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 16th, 2011 at 3:26pm: Experts in communications say that fibre optic is the best technology.....Why shouldn't Australians have the best considering the revenue that will be generated by the mining tax the ETS and a cut to weathfare.....The Howard government squandered the revenue during there term of office and provided no infrastructure to grow the national economy....Labor will use some of the revenue to provide the best communications network in the world.....What would you have the proceeds of the next boom spent on Longy.....More tax cuts and tax concessions for high income earners.....I fail to see any rational argument why the NBN should not be built!!! and ironically you provided not a single REASON for the NBN - like always. All you said is 'I want it'. thats just not good enough! I beg to differ Longy.....why shouldn't Australia have the NBN....It will provide Australia with the best telecommunication network in the world…Why shouldn’t we built state of the art infrastructure???

good question phil.. why shouldnt australia have EVERYTHING.. sounds like the up coming generation...

are we really all about the BEST telecommunication in the world   what is that btw??

people sitting at computers ignoring each other...now they walk along the street tapping away. and we have a communicatioon PROBLEM.. not that I have noticed. only in the verbal..

personally I would rather see we had the best Health and run hospitals in the world ... what would $40billion do for that do you think?


as it is we will have a brain drain when they cut the medical science funding. ho hum... NBN is much more worthy of funding.

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2011 at 9:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2011 at 9:16pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 16th, 2011 at 3:26pm: Experts in communications say that fibre optic is the best technology.....Why shouldn't Australians have the best considering the revenue that will be generated by the mining tax the ETS and a cut to weathfare.....The Howard government squandered the revenue during there term of office and provided no infrastructure to grow the national economy....Labor will use some of the revenue to provide the best communications network in the world.....What would you have the proceeds of the next boom spent on Longy.....More tax cuts and tax concessions for high income earners.....I fail to see any rational argument why the NBN should not be built!!! and ironically you provided not a single REASON for the NBN - like always. All you said is 'I want it'. thats just not good enough! I beg to differ Longy.....why shouldn't Australia have the NBN....It will provide Australia with the best telecommunication network in the world…Why shouldn’t we built state of the art infrastructure???

because we cant afford it. having the 'best' is not reason in itself. I'd like a lamboroghini as it is better than my car. why dont i go and get one? i could mortgage to house and actually own one so why not? because 'best' is not a good enough reason.

what is "BEST" btw I would think it means many things to different people..

however they have to justify this NBN which btw started out at $4bill didnt it..lol..

the best couldnt roads do with a touch of that..

imagine us being in National Geographic with the best highways and byways in the world..

well that will never happen will it?