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Message started by freediver on Mar 12th, 2011 at 12:17pm

Title: party home page
Post by freediver on Mar 12th, 2011 at 12:17pm
I have updated the party home page:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/sustainability-party/sustainability-party.html

Mostly by adding what I hope is a more upbeat and direct introduction. Let me know what you think.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by Aussie on Mar 12th, 2011 at 9:11pm
I think........ummmm......you are being very careful to keep secret exactly who is driving this alleged "Party."  Got something to hide, freeloader?

Title: Re: party home page
Post by Lisa on Mar 13th, 2011 at 2:59pm
Hmm .. at 1st glance .. it looks very busy and detailed (IMO).

I prefer the layout of any web page to be more spaced out with sections highlighted through the use of paragraphs and sub titles. It makes it easier to read and follow if you CHUNK each section this way.

On the up side .. the web page covers a lot of information which I think is very helpful.

Oh and I'm ROFLMAO @ Aussie's reply :)

Title: Re: party home page
Post by Lisa on Mar 13th, 2011 at 3:14pm
A few other points ..

Is the font a tad too big for others? It seems to be for me.

Also .. the length of each line from left to right seems too big for some reason as well.

Remember .. the human eye reads up/down far easier and more effectively than left to right.

Also .. where you've used bullet points .. just remember bullet points should be used to highlight bullet points (not paragraphs).

Personally .. I would add a line between bullet points (again it makes it easier for the human eye to read and follow information which isn't too busy/detailed).

I trust this feedback helps.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by freediver on Mar 13th, 2011 at 7:21pm
Thanks for the tips Lisa.

Yes Aussie, I do have something to hide.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by mantra on Mar 13th, 2011 at 8:31pm
I think if you ditch this paragraph......you'll attract more members.

This is why we also support the resumption of commercial harvesting of Minke Whales. We urge all Australians to consider the details on this issue rather than blindly supporting the outdated blanket ban on whaling. We will pursue this policy regardless of the ‘image problem’ it creates for the party. That’s how we roll.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by freediver on Mar 13th, 2011 at 8:48pm
Yes we would. But it would defeat the purpose of the party if we did that.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by Lisa on Mar 13th, 2011 at 9:18pm

mantra wrote on Mar 13th, 2011 at 8:31pm:
I think if you ditch this paragraph......you'll attract more members.

This is why we also support the resumption of commercial harvesting of Minke Whales. We urge all Australians to consider the details on this issue rather than blindly supporting the outdated blanket ban on whaling. We will pursue this policy regardless of the ‘image problem’ it creates for the party. That’s how we roll.



OH MY GOD! NO NO NO FD .. don't do it. You have been open and honest about where you stand/what you stand for. THAT is what people are hungry for!

The advice given by Mantra is unwise and quite frankly dishonest.

There is no way I'd be hiding the truth to attract more members only to then reveal party policy on something so imp't later on. It will come across as dishonest and will cause anger and frustration amongst those who vote for you.

TRANSPARENCY .. is what is needed.

Keep it simple and clear.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by Lisa on Mar 13th, 2011 at 9:25pm
Another tip FD .. HOUSING!

This portfolio has been a hot potato ever since Federation.

(I know my family and I are into domestic real estate in a very big way .. but I am raising this only because it remains a key issue .. even today)

How have you addressed housing?

Any party which is able to address domestic housing issues .. in a manner which is economically and environmentally sustainable gets my vote!

Title: Re: party home page
Post by Annie Anthrax on Mar 13th, 2011 at 9:27pm
I'd put line breaks in between the domestic policy dot points. It's a bit of a wall. Other than that it reads well. Good on you for walking the walk.

How would you reduce immigration? Can you link me to a thread if that's already been discussed please?


Title: Re: party home page
Post by mantra on Mar 14th, 2011 at 6:50am

freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2011 at 8:48pm:
Yes we would. But it would defeat the purpose of the party if we did that.


Is there a huge demand in Australia to hunt Minke whales? If there isn't - there's no point having a political party which can't get off the ground because of one unpopular policy.

The Australian people generally appear to reject whaling.

You've even commented that it might create an image problem. It doesn't matter how "upbeat" your introduction appears - "resumption of commercial whaling" is a huge deterrant for people who might otherwise want to become members.

If you're happy with your membership numbers - then there's no problem.




Title: Re: party home page
Post by freediver on Mar 14th, 2011 at 7:52pm
Housing: the people I work with actually do a lot of work with development applications. The government seems to be on the ball with this and the requirements are getting stricter. You are unlikely to find new houses these days without ceiling insulation. The requirements are defined in terms of the end result - the energy required to achieve a comfortable internal environment, which seems like a good idea as it encourages innovative ways to achieve compliance.

Immigration policy:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/sustainability-party/immigration.html

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1235220614

Mantra, you don't seem to be getting it. The purpose of the party is not to gain power, but to bring about change. If we gain power by mimmicking the other parties we are wasting our time and might as well just join those other parties and save ourselves the effort. I honestly wouldn't care if the party only had one member because of it's policies. If people share our views, let them join. If not, I would rather the party died than gave up what it stands for.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by Lisa on Mar 14th, 2011 at 9:53pm

freediver wrote on Mar 14th, 2011 at 7:52pm:
Housing: the people I work with actually do a lot of work with development applications. The government seems to be on the ball with this and the requirements are getting stricter. You are unlikely to find new houses these days without ceiling insulation. The requirements are defined in terms of the end result - the energy required to achieve a comfortable internal environment, which seems like a good idea as it encourages innovative ways to achieve compliance.

Immigration policy:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/sustainability-party/immigration.html

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1235220614

Mantra, you don't seem to be getting it. The purpose of the party is not to gain power, but to bring about change. If we gain power by mimmicking the other parties we are wasting our time and might as well just join those other parties and save ourselves the effort. I honestly wouldn't care if the party only had one member because of it's policies. If people share our views, let them join. If not, I would rather the party died than gave up what it stands for.


Beautiful. Made me smile :)


Title: Re: party home page
Post by mantra on Mar 15th, 2011 at 8:42am

freediver wrote on Mar 14th, 2011 at 7:52pm:


Mantra, you don't seem to be getting it. The purpose of the party is not to gain power, but to bring about change. If we gain power by mimmicking the other parties we are wasting our time and might as well just join those other parties and save ourselves the effort. I honestly wouldn't care if the party only had one member because of it's policies. If people share our views, let them join. If not, I would rather the party died than gave up what it stands for.


How do you bring about change when there are so few people who are prepared to support one of your major policies? It is in your favour that you have principles and you stick to them, but there is a certain amount of popularism needed to attract people first so they will listen to you.

Pride is a good thing but it can mean that you are the last man standing. We all have to compromise a little if we are to be heard. You could always put your whaling policy in some sort of sub-clause linked to a more general heading.




Title: Re: party home page
Post by freediver on Mar 15th, 2011 at 6:44pm

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How do you bring about change when there are so few people who are prepared to support one of your major policies?


By changing their minds. Ultimately, that is how all political change comes about. This website brings more than enough audience. We do not need to trick people into reading or unwittingly supporting the whaling policy by pretending to be something we are not. I'm not sure how that would help bring about change anyway.

The main change we want to bring about is to stop political parties from acting the way you recommend we act. The Australian poltical landscape needs more robust debate and more upfront policy. Our politicians have become slaves to the polls and to fear mongering. The end result of this is that no-one is actually leading. Our politics is chained to the whims of largely uninformed, disinterested public opinion.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by Lisa on Mar 15th, 2011 at 7:14pm
The main change we want to bring about is to stop political parties from acting the way you recommend we act. The Australian political landscape needs more robust debate and more upfront policy. Our politicians have become slaves to the polls and to fear mongering. The end result of this is that no-one is actually leading. Our politics is chained to the whims of largely uninformed, disinterested public opinion.

- Freediver

I think that's an awesome response.

Many voters are sick of what is on offer .. because it all looks the same and it's been dished up over and over and over again .. so much so that it's now past boring and uninteresting. It's become nauseating.

Transparency and upfront honesty about policy direction .. which party offers that now?

I wish you all the very best.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by mantra on Mar 16th, 2011 at 6:54am

freediver wrote on Mar 15th, 2011 at 6:44pm:
By changing their minds. Ultimately, that is how all political change comes about. This website brings more than enough audience. We do not need to trick people into reading or unwittingly supporting the whaling policy by pretending to be something we are not. I'm not sure how that would help bring about change anyway.

The main change we want to bring about is to stop political parties from acting the way you recommend we act. The Australian poltical landscape needs more robust debate and more upfront policy. Our politicians have become slaves to the polls and to fear mongering. The end result of this is that no-one is actually leading. Our politics is chained to the whims of largely uninformed, disinterested public opinion.


What you say is true and in theory it's good and you might achieve success eventually if you're prepared to spend the next 30 years being reviled - as in the case of the Greens - and none of their policies were as brutal as your whaling policy. I haven't seen too many people from these forums agree with you on that issue.





Title: Re: party home page
Post by Jasignature on Mar 16th, 2011 at 11:22am
Our Polititians have (always) been 'slaves' to the USA and its UK hand-puppet through the positions of PM and GG on behalf of the Federal level (that also serves the wider 'International' front).

Its about time we make our Provincials, let alone local councils run the show in this country as a www.COMmunity. ;)

Title: Re: party home page
Post by freediver on Mar 16th, 2011 at 11:47pm

mantra wrote on Mar 16th, 2011 at 6:54am:

freediver wrote on Mar 15th, 2011 at 6:44pm:
By changing their minds. Ultimately, that is how all political change comes about. This website brings more than enough audience. We do not need to trick people into reading or unwittingly supporting the whaling policy by pretending to be something we are not. I'm not sure how that would help bring about change anyway.

The main change we want to bring about is to stop political parties from acting the way you recommend we act. The Australian poltical landscape needs more robust debate and more upfront policy. Our politicians have become slaves to the polls and to fear mongering. The end result of this is that no-one is actually leading. Our politics is chained to the whims of largely uninformed, disinterested public opinion.


What you say is true and in theory it's good and you might achieve success eventually if you're prepared to spend the next 30 years being reviled - as in the case of the Greens - and none of their policies were as brutal as your whaling policy. I haven't seen too many people from these forums agree with you on that issue.


30 Years? Two of our most significant goals have already been achieved - the carbon tax and the removal of the Californian ban on roo meat. At this rate we won't have any policy left soon. The Kangaroo debate had some uncanny parallels with the whaling debate. You could have interchanged whales and roos in many cases and not known the difference.

You keep confusing getting elected with being successful. Getting elected is a last resort. The major parties won't let that happen and I will give them all the warning they need to avoid it. Becoming a professional politician and spending my life sucking up to idiots is not one of my goals in life.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by Jasignature on Mar 17th, 2011 at 12:32pm
Make the Federal, etc "suck up" to you and the 'Specialist' Party concept.
Why give some ignorant twat from a 'vague' major Party with no real understanding of their own 'party-personality' a 'Portfolio' that they have no real interest or knowledge for?

This is why I like the 'Independent' approach. Specialists that come together as a 'Team'.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by Black Orchid on Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:43pm
Is the Sustainability Party of Australia the same as the Sustainable Population Party?

I have a bi-election coming up and am thus receiving quite a bit of literature.  Mainly from Mal,  but I notice the SPP candidate is being promoted by Dick Smith and he looks quite impressive.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by freediver on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:24pm
Different parties. Probably similar agenda.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by Phemanderac on Dec 17th, 2015 at 6:36am

freediver wrote on Mar 15th, 2011 at 6:44pm:
[quote]
The main change we want to bring about is to stop political parties from acting the way you recommend we act. The Australian political landscape needs more robust debate and more upfront policy. Our politicians have become slaves to the polls and to fear mongering. The end result of this is that no-one is actually leading. Our politics is chained to the whims of largely uninformed, disinterested public opinion.


You have put heaps of effort into it, no, not just effort, thought as well. For that alone well done.

I think this statement is interesting, it is suggestive that political (perhaps even constitutional) reform would (or perhaps should) be more clearly on the agenda.

Some good suggestions have been made regarding making it more "readable" so I wouldn't add anything to that. I might just suggest adding a clear statement about political reform, but only because the statement above seems to me to be alluding to that end.

I actually would also consider that our largely disinterested and uninformed public have no motivation to change because they are chained to a self serving political system that mostly benefits inept and disreputable politicians and a minority of their sycophants.... Hence another push for systemic change.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by freediver on Dec 18th, 2015 at 8:16pm
See the electoral reform articles. In particular, I think voting by delegable proxy would get people a lot more interested and engaged, by giving them more 'sensible' choice, making politicians more individually responsive, and making their vote more likely to make a difference if they wield it with intention - as well as solving a few other issues.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by Aussie on Aug 18th, 2016 at 11:20pm
*Test*

Title: Re: party home page
Post by WJV on Sep 4th, 2016 at 4:03pm

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2011 at 12:17pm:
I have updated the party home page:

Mostly by adding what I hope is a more upbeat and direct introduction. Let me know what you think.


What the hell. Why does this so-called Sustainability Party have its own section on this site? It seems very odd. Who the hell has ever heard of you? What links do you have to the owners of this forum?

Title: Re: party home page
Post by WJV on Sep 4th, 2016 at 4:09pm
And Jesus Christ. Do we really need another party for greenies? What is the point of this party? The fact that your party exists annoys the hell out of me.

What you are is an elitist pretending to be do-gooder so that you can use climate change to keep energy prices as high as possible. You are an enemy of the poor and working class and it is utterly disgusting that you pretend to be do-gooder when you are quite obviously a knowing do-badder.

edit - You want us to lessen our carbon footprint do you mate? %$% off.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by WJV on Sep 4th, 2016 at 4:12pm
And we? Is there a frog in your pocket? Who is "we"? How many members does this little party of yours have? How did you do in the last election? We? Who?

edit - Can you ASIO dickheads make yourselves any more obvious if you tried? This site is ridiculous. You people are utter clowns.

You should call yourselves the Imperialist Leftist Rationing Party.  You loser.

Title: Re: party home page
Post by svhg on Apr 14th, 2018 at 2:10pm
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