60% of Australians identify problems with muslims



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Almost 60% worried by Muslim immigration 65% - no to religious discrimination 27% - pollies "genuine concern for future" NEARLY 60 per cent of Australian voters are worried about Muslim immigration, an opinion survey today has reported. But more voters, 65 per cent, believe migrants should not be discriminated against for their religion. The polling by Essential Research taken over the past seven days has confirmed that Islamic immigration is perceived by many voters as a central political issue. But the survey also found many of those more concerned were basing their views on incorrect information. A clear majority, 61 per cent, who believe some politicians raise issues of race and religion to generate more votes. Just 27 per cent said those politicians were genuinely concerned about Australia's future. Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/essential-research-poll-finds-almost-60-per-cent-of-aussies-worry-about-muslim-immigration/story-e6frfkvr-1226013688143#ixzz1FLug78bk

stryder wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 11:05pm:

60% of Australians identify problems with muslims Quote: Almost 60% worried by Muslim immigration 65% - no to religious discrimination 27% - pollies "genuine concern for future" NEARLY 60 per cent of Australian voters are worried about Muslim immigration, an opinion survey today has reported. But more voters, 65 per cent, believe migrants should not be discriminated against for their religion. The polling by Essential Research taken over the past seven days has confirmed that Islamic immigration is perceived by many voters as a central political issue. But the survey also found many of those more concerned were basing their views on incorrect information. A clear majority, 61 per cent, who believe some politicians raise issues of race and religion to generate more votes. Just 27 per cent said those politicians were genuinely concerned about Australia's future. Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/essential-research-poll-finds-almost-60-per-cent-of-aussies-worry-about-muslim-immigration/story-e6frfkvr-1226013688143#ixzz1FLug78bk

That's extremely-selective reporting of the Essential research - for a fuller picture see: -

http://www.essentialmedia.com.au/essential-report/




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28 Concern about Muslims (pre information) Q. Are you concerned about the number of Muslim people in Australia?      Total      Vote Labor      Vote Lib/Nat      Vote Greens Total concerned      57%      50%      69%      32% Total not concerned      38%      46%      28%      68% Very Concerned      28%      21%      37%      12% Somewhat concerned      29%      29%      32%      20% Not very concerned      21%      23%      19%      27% Not at all concerned      17%      23%      9%      41% Don’t know/Refused      5%      4%      2%      - 57% were very or somewhat concerned about the number of Muslim people in Australia while 38% were not very or not at all concerned. Concern is higher among Liberal/National voters (69%) and lower among Greens voters (32%).  72% of people aged 55+ say they are concerned. Level of concern is related to perceptions of the number of Muslim people in Australia. The table below shows that those who think there are higher numbers of Muslims in Australia are much more likely to be concerned.            Estimated % Muslims in Australia      Total      1-2%      3-5%      6-10%      Over 10% Total concerned      57%      44%      52%      68%      79% Total not concerned      38%

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28 Muslims in Australia Q. What percentage of Australian residents do you think are Muslim?      Total      Vote Labor      Vote Lib/Nat      Vote Greens 1%      6%      6%      7%      8% 2%      11%      10%      14%      9% 3-5%      26%      26%      25%      37% 6-10%      20%      19%      22%      18% More than 10%      19%      20%      19%      17% Don’t know      18%      20%      13%      11% 17% think that Muslims make up 1-2% of Australia’s population, 26% think they make up 3-5% and 39% think it is over 5%. The actual figure is 1.7% – meaning 65% have over-estimated the number of Muslims in Australia. There were only minor differences between age, gender and voter groups.

There are several additional relevant tables on the Essential site - but they're not transferring neatly in the C&P and I'm too tired to bother to fiddle with converting screen prints and uploading them at this hour...

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Essential Research found that the more people overestimated the number of Muslims in Australia, the more they were concerned by their presence. Some 65 per cent of voters said Muslims made up more than two per cent of the population, when the actual proportion is 1.7 per cent. Before being told that fact, 57 per cent said they were concerned about the number of Muslims here, and the same proportion said Islam was the fastest growing religion in Australia. Some 38 per cent said they were not concerned. Voters were then told Muslims made up 1.7 per cent of the population and that the fastest growing religions were Hinduism and Buddhism followed by Islam. After that information, the proportion of concerned voters dropped slightly to 50 per cent. A majority of voters, 57 per cent, said multiculturalism had been positive for Australia and 29 per cent said it had been totally negative. Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/essential-research-poll-finds-almost-60-per-cent-of-aussies-worry-about-muslim-immigration/story-e6frfkvr-1226013688143#ixzz1FLvSCF5l

Well what do you think ??

That there is a problem with muslims settling in Australia who have deep anti western or anti jewish feelings, or is the problem US, that we havent been welcoming enough as some islamic apologists and leftist would like us to think ?????

OVER TO YOU.

stryder wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 11:08pm:

Quote: Essential Research found that the more people overestimated the number of Muslims in Australia, the more they were concerned by their presence. Some 65 per cent of voters said Muslims made up more than two per cent of the population, when the actual proportion is 1.7 per cent. Before being told that fact, 57 per cent said they were concerned about the number of Muslims here, and the same proportion said Islam was the fastest growing religion in Australia. Some 38 per cent said they were not concerned. Voters were then told Muslims made up 1.7 per cent of the population and that the fastest growing religions were Hinduism and Buddhism followed by Islam. After that information, the proportion of concerned voters dropped slightly to 50 per cent. A majority of voters, 57 per cent, said multiculturalism had been positive for Australia and 29 per cent said it had been totally negative. Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/essential-research-poll-finds-almost-60-per-cent-of-aussies-worry-about-muslim-immigration/story-e6frfkvr-1226013688143#ixzz1FLvSCF5l Well what do you think ?? That there is a problem with muslims settling in Australia who have deep anti western or anti jewish feelings, or is the problem US, that we havent been welcoming enough as some islamic apologists and leftist would like us to think ????? OVER TO YOU.

I suggest that you re-read the information you've just posted - and then get back to us...

Not that I expect you to get it that it is the misleading and demonising propaganda that is creating the problem - since you're a serial offender yourself...

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There are several additional relevant tables on the Essential site - but they're not transferring neatly in the C&P and I'm too tired to bother to fiddle with converting screen prints and uploading them at this hour...

;D ;D ;D

Well if some of these muslims read your posts, Equitist.

They would be lucky that ATHEISTS like you who are condemned as infidels anyway under the spotlight of Islam would feel lucky lucky to have such supporters like you who drop there IQ and reason to think there isnt a problem with Islam,

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Not that I expect you to get it that it is the misleading and demonising propaganda that is creating the problem - since you're a serial offender yourself...

Oh Really, so what is it Equitist ?? your willing to call me racist, even if i wanna honest debate like MANY do on this entire issue with reason ???

or will you play the POLITICALLY CORRECT fool as always are, Equitist.

And shout, RACISM, RACISM, BIGOT, BIGOT ?????

I'm sure when Italians came here over 99% of the population was concerned about them. In fact if I remember correctly there was mass mob violence against them and some were lynched...

Thank God some of our fellow Aussies have actually become educated and woken up to the ignorance our forefathers were steeped in, and it's only 60% now with the latest demonised arrivals.

But you're always going to get some ignorant hicks who can't drag themselves out of it I guess, sad but true.

This is more a damning indictment of how gullible and brainwashed some of us are. The fact 27% actually believe politicians have a genuine concern for the country, rather than just for their own political hide, is evidence enough.

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 6:25am:

I'm sure when Italians came here over 99% of the population was concerned about them. In fact if I remember correctly there was mass mob violence against them and some were lynched...

You remember wrong, never happened; try not to make Australians any more racist than they really are too support your dubious arguments.

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 7:48am:

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 6:25am: I'm sure when Italians came here over 99% of the population was concerned about them. In fact if I remember correctly there was mass mob violence against them and some were lynched... You remember wrong, never happened; try not to make Australians any more racist than they really are too support your dubious arguments.

Actually it did happen, but you wouldn't know anyway. You were probably still living in that other country you came from.

sheesh, these Johnny come lately's that think they know it all. ;)

Lestat wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 7:52am:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 7:48am: abu_rashid wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 6:25am: I'm sure when Italians came here over 99% of the population was concerned about them. In fact if I remember correctly there was mass mob violence against them and some were lynched... You remember wrong, never happened; try not to make Australians any more racist than they really are too support your dubious arguments. Actually it did happen, but you wouldn't know anyway. You were probably still living in that other country you came from. sheesh, these Johnny come lately's that think they know it all. ;)

Got any evidence with that horsesh1t statement there porky?

What country do you think Im from and when do you think I came here?

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 7:57am:

Lestat wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 7:52am: BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 7:48am: abu_rashid wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 6:25am: I'm sure when Italians came here over 99% of the population was concerned about them. In fact if I remember correctly there was mass mob violence against them and some were lynched... You remember wrong, never happened; try not to make Australians any more racist than they really are too support your dubious arguments. Actually it did happen, but you wouldn't know anyway. You were probably still living in that other country you came from. sheesh, these Johnny come lately's that think they know it all. ;) Got any evidence with that horsesh1t statement there porky? What country do you think Im from and when do you think I came here?

hehe..wow. Porky, Thats a good one...you better write it down so you don't forget it.

Where you came from? When? Does it really matter. Your a migrant, thats all that really matters.

You flew here, I grew here. Bit rich you telling us true aussies what happened here and when.

Lestat wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 8:01am:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 7:57am: Lestat wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 7:52am: BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 7:48am: abu_rashid wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 6:25am: I'm sure when Italians came here over 99% of the population was concerned about them. In fact if I remember correctly there was mass mob violence against them and some were lynched... You remember wrong, never happened; try not to make Australians any more racist than they really are too support your dubious arguments. Actually it did happen, but you wouldn't know anyway. You were probably still living in that other country you came from. sheesh, these Johnny come lately's that think they know it all. ;) Got any evidence with that horsesh1t statement there porky? What country do you think Im from and when do you think I came here? hehe..wow. Porky, Thats a good one...you better write it down so you don't forget it. Where you came from? When? Does it really matter. Your a migrant, thats all that really matters. You flew here, I grew here. Bit rich you telling us true aussies what happened here and when.

So you got nothing but lies to support your statement, about what I expected .

You do realise you look like an ignorant racist with those statements, don't you, porky?

Keep up the good work, you're a intellectual giant among your people.  ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 8:10am:

So you got nothing but lies to support your statement, about what I expected .

What am I lieing about. That your a migrant. You told us that remember.


BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 8:10am:

You do realise you look like an ignorant racist with those statements, don't you, porky?

lol...oh the irony.

You should look in the mirror sometime.


BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 8:10am:

Keep up the good work, you're a intellectual giant among your people.  ;D

Now now...thats not a nice thing to say about Australians. If you don't like how we Australian act then p(ss off back to your own country.

Go on...what are you waiting for? Chop chop...of you go now.

:D:D

Lestat wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 8:18am:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 8:10am: So you got nothing but lies to support your statement, about what I expected . What am I lieing about. That your a migrant. You told us that remember.

Lieing about Australians 'lynching' italian immigrants, not about my immigration status you friggen dill. Might hafta go back a few posts every now and again, porky.

My god you are stupid.  ;D

lol, me stupid? Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment.

Anyways, perhaps I can educate you...you ignorant migrant. hehe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Italianism

"In Australia, anti-Italian riots occurred on numerous occasions since Italian immigrants, or "wogs" (an English derogatory term for foreigners, not slang so much as an archaism, once often applied in Australia to Southern Europeans), first began arriving to the country in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Many Australians viewed the Italian immigrants as "immoral", "low", and "dirty".[15]"

What was that about lying? Though I'm not surprised, that an migrant such as yourself doesn't know much about Australian history.

More reason why you should p(ss off back to where you came from.

Lestat wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 8:39am:

lol, me stupid? Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment. Anyways, perhaps I can educate you...you ignorant migrant. hehe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Italianism "In Australia, anti-Italian riots occurred on numerous occasions since Italian immigrants, or "wogs" (an English derogatory term for foreigners, not slang so much as an archaism, once often applied in Australia to Southern Europeans), first began arriving to the country in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Many Australians viewed the Italian immigrants as "immoral", "low", and "dirty".[15]" What was that about lying? Though I'm not surprised, that an migrant such as yourself doesn't know much about Australian history. More reason why you should p(ss off back to where you came from.

Never said Aussies weren't racist, talking to one right now, porky.

Still no evidence to support your lies about lynching of italians by Aussie racists.

You can dance around the subject and try to cover your lies with racist comments all you like , does not detract from the fact you are a lying racist cretin.  ;D

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Majority of aussies worried about muslims

Gee wind-up people with a BS scare campaign for a decade and a half and I wonder what you will get?

Would anybody be surprised by this.

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 9:39am:

Lestat wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 8:39am: lol, me stupid? Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment. Anyways, perhaps I can educate you...you ignorant migrant. hehe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Italianism "In Australia, anti-Italian riots occurred on numerous occasions since Italian immigrants, or "wogs" (an English derogatory term for foreigners, not slang so much as an archaism, once often applied in Australia to Southern Europeans), first began arriving to the country in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Many Australians viewed the Italian immigrants as "immoral", "low", and "dirty".[15]" What was that about lying? Though I'm not surprised, that an migrant such as yourself doesn't know much about Australian history. More reason why you should p(ss off back to where you came from. Never said Aussies weren't racist, talking to one right now, porky. Still no evidence to support your lies about lynching of italians by Aussie racists. You can dance around the subject and try to cover your lies with racist comments all you like , does not detract from the fact you are a lying racist cretin.  ;D

lol...i'm not racist, I hate all migrants equally. Don't target a particular type of migrant...unlike some.

Besides, if you don't like Aussies and our racism, then why did you come here in the first place. Go back to your own country.

Anyways, haven't you changed your tune. hehe. Weren't you just a couple of days ago going on about muslim immigrants?

Whats wrong BigOlDipsh(t...don't you like it when your on the receiving end of your own racism.  To easy Big Ol dipshit, your to easy. Though it doesn't suprisme me at all that my point has gone right over your head.

Your being played, and the beauty is, you don't even realise it. LOL

As for Italians being lynched...I'll give you a hint, do some research into the interim camps during WW2. I don't have to do EVERYTHING for you do I.

ahh, BigOlDipsh(t...if anything, you are good entertainment.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 9:45am:

Quote: Majority of aussies worried about muslims Gee wind-up people with a BS scare campaign for a decade and a half and I wonder what you will get? Would anybody be surprised by this.

Sad things is most of those being 'wind up' don't even realise it, and even worst, many of them are migrants themselves.

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As for Italians being lynched...I'll give you a hint, do some research into the interim camps during WW2. I don't have to do EVERYTHING for you do I.

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Like I said in my first post, didn't happen.

Even with your poor spelling, grammar and weird syntax, nothing you wrote, went 'over my head'. You are just a stupid little racist with a poor education.

BTW I went to the same type of Aussie schools you did, I just manage to stay awake during class you moron.  ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 10:01am:

Like I said in my first post, didn't happen.

And cause you 'said it', doesn't make it so.

It did happen, and has been documented. If you are incapable of using google, well thats your problem not mine.

If you choose to stick your head in the sand, then so be it.


BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 10:01am:

Even with your poor spelling, grammar and weird syntax, nothing you wrote, went 'over my head'. You are just a stupid little racist with a poor education.

Wow...resorting to 'grammar' and 'spelling'. Now I really know your struggling.

Whats that about the pot and the kettle??? (Do you need me to explain this to you aswell...I apologise, I sometimes forget just how dense you really are).

But it did go over your head...the very fact that your responding again shows it went over your head. You calling me racist is once again...proof that my point has gone over head.

Like I said, you so stupid that you still don't even realise it.

Do I have to remind you of what 'YOU' said about migrants in another thread.

Kind of ironic now isn't it...that 'you' are calling me 'racist'.


BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 10:01am:

BTW I went to the same type of Aussie schools you did, I just manage to stay awake during class you moron.  ;D

Who said anything about school??

Migrants go to school, I never said they didn't. Not sure what thats got to do with the price of fish.

Keep trying BigOlDipsh(t.....its getting funnier by the minute. By the way...if you have trouble with all the 'bad spelling and grammer' in this post, try a spell check, lets see what it comes up with.

:D:D:D

stryder wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 11:08pm:

Well what do you think ?? That there is a problem with muslims settling in Australia who have deep anti western or anti jewish feelings, or is the problem US, that we havent been welcoming enough as some islamic apologists and leftist would like us to think ????? OVER TO YOU.

Our parents warned about the immiscibility of muslim immigration in the 70s and 80s but they were told to sit back because our clever politicians aided by social engineers would create the perfect society. Here we are 40 years down the road and they are still trying to tell us that things are great. We know that things aren't great. Back in the 70s our alleged politicians sowed dragon's teeth and the current survey results underlines that.

* Those who hold dual citizenship should not have their opinions included in any surveys. You're either an Australian or you're not. There is no such thing as a Sri Lankan/Australian or a Spanish/Australian.

** I am a New Age Muslim and even I can't stand muslims.  

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 7:48am:

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 6:25am: I'm sure when Italians came here over 99% of the population was concerned about them. In fact if I remember correctly there was mass mob violence against them and some were lynched... You remember wrong, never happened; try not to make Australians any more racist than they really are too support your dubious arguments.

Well bigol...there were some 'problems' and bad feelings to do with Italian immigrants........Of course that was in the late 40's and early 50's, and had more to do with the fact that Italy had been an enemy in WW2 than with racism......Asian and German immigrants in the same period had similar problems.......But that was more a question of " You were shooting at me last year you b@stard"...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 2:56pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 7:48am: abu_rashid wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 6:25am: I'm sure when Italians came here over 99% of the population was concerned about them. In fact if I remember correctly there was mass mob violence against them and some were lynched... You remember wrong, never happened; try not to make Australians any more racist than they really are too support your dubious arguments. Well bigol...there were some 'problems' and bad feelings to do with Italian immigrants........Of course that was in the late 40's and early 50's, and had more to do with the fact that Italy had been an enemy in WW2 than with racism......Asian and German immigrants in the same period had similar problems.......But that was more a question of " You were shooting at me last year you b@stard"...

Totally agree giz, never said that Aussie weren't racists, I'm only disputing the lie that there were 'lynchings' of italian immigrants.

If these nongs are going to post such rubbish, I feel that they need to be brought to task.

It's these constant lies that minorities propagate to bolster their own agendas that p1ss me to tears.  >:(

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** I am a New Age Muslim and even I can't stand muslims.   Back to top

Good to know, salad.

Quite frankly Islam and muslims needs some reform to shed itself from its barbarity and medieval thinking thats still entenched in mainstream Islam itself,

Maybe it might happen one day.

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I'm sure when Italians came here over 99% of the population was concerned about them. In fact if I remember correctly there was mass mob violence against them and some were lynched...

Abu Rashid, it took just a short time for the italians, along with the greeks and yugoslavs to melt and blend into australia, maybe around a decade or 2,

But the muslim migrants have been coming here in numbers since the 1970s and AFTER 3 DECADES to the present 2011,

There intergration into australia is still an ISSUE ???

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I'm sure when Italians came here over 99% of the population was concerned about them.

Im sure they were, and im also sure they werent concerned with segments of italian migrants who exhibited ANTI AUSTRALIAN FEELINGS AND BEHAVIOUR AS WELL. !

OK, perhaps i was wrong. There were lynchings of Italians in America, and they weren't even during WWII.


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In the United States, Italian immigrants were subject to extreme prejudice, racism, and, in many cases, violence. During the 19th century and early 20th century, Italian Americans were often seen as non-American, non-white criminals. Some anti-Italianism had roots in the same cause of violence against Jews. Because Italians were seen as the descendants of the Romans, who had crucified Jesus, this served as justification for violence against Italians. The largest mass lynching in American history involved the lynching of eleven Italians in the city of New Orleans in 1891. The Italians, who were thought to have assassinated police chief David Hennessy, were arrested and placed in a jail cell before being brutally murdered by a lynch mob that stormed the jailhouse, with witnesses claiming that the cheers "were nearly deafening". Cries of "hang the dagos" were heard throughout the riot. Reporting on the incident, one newspaper reported. Afterwards, hundreds of Italian immigrants, most of whom were not criminals, were arrested by law enforcement. Decades after, an anti-Italian phrase, "Who kill-a the chief?" remained popular in the New Orleans area.

There were however riots in Australia during which Italian-owned shops were burnt to the ground, and this was prior to WWII as well.

The simple fact is that Muslims are being subject to much the same sentiments that most other migrant groups have been in the past. There's nothing really new about it. And bearing in mind that Australia is engaged in a war on Islam, and has been for at least the past 20 years (beginning with the initial invasion of Iraq), its no surprise that such bigotry would be flaring about now.

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OK, perhaps i was wrong. There were lynchings of Italians in America, and they weren't even during WWII.

Abu Rashid, Im talking strictly about what is happneing here in australia, NOT WHAT HAPPENED IN LOUISANA, USA WITH ITALIANS OVER A CENTURY AGO. ??????

As I said I mixed it up a little.

But also as I mentioned, riots did happen here too, where people burnt down their shops.

Look the simple fact is Muslims are not really being treated any different to any other group of people we 'welcome' to our shores. They're going through the exact same things, actually they may even have it a little easier, because times have changed so much.

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 11:50pm:

The simple fact is that Muslims are being subject to much the same sentiments that most other migrant groups have been in the past. There's nothing really new about it. And bearing in mind that Australia is engaged in a war on Islam, and has been for at least the past 20 years (beginning with the initial invasion of Iraq), its no surprise that such bigotry would be flaring about now.

The muslim immigration experience is NOTHING like any of the previous experiences of europeans or asians; muslim have no intention of ever fitting in. Muslims are the first lot of immigrants who expect everyone else to adapt without making any effort themselves, no other group has done this or would even dream of doing this.

Maybe mainstrean Australia isn't as weak-minded as you people believe and are not willing to cow-tow to your demands, even thought our gutless pollies are.

I for the most part don't give a sh1t whether you fit in or not, but stop whinging about how we don't appreaciate your presence.

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The muslim immigration experience is NOTHING like any of the previous experiences of europeans or asians; muslim have no intention of ever fitting in.

It's the same. The same aspects all exist, the only difference is they're the new kid on the block.

This daft claim is often repeated about Muslims not "integrating" (Whatever that means anyway), yet if we look at previous migrant communities, we find some of them still very much concentrated in certain areas, even after they've been here twice as long, or more, as most Muslim communities have been here. And if one looks at Jews for instance, they are completely ghettoised. One can goto entire suburbs which are just full of Jews, and few of them live amongst the general population, yet not a single word would dare be breathed about it, as it's not kosher to do so.

Muslims are new, and they are easy targets because of the current political climate, that's about it.


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Muslims are the first lot of immigrants who expect everyone else to adapt without making any effort themselves, no other group has done this or would even dream of doing this.

This is just nonsense. The early Muslims who came "fitted in" so well, most are no longer even Muslims or distinguishable from the general population, they ended up intermarrying with the general population and largely disappeared. In the 1960's quite a few Albanians and others came, and again they're pretty much indistinguishable. The Lebanese and Turks and others are much more recent arrivals, and there's nothing at all to suggest they are acting any differently to any other group, perhaps apart from the fact that since Australia is no longer so 'white', there's less need for them to feel they have to pretend to be 'white', which is really what you mean isn't it?


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Maybe mainstrean Australia isn't as weak-minded as you people believe and are not willing to cow-tow to your demands, even thought our gutless pollies are.

Since I am not an immigrant, nobody's cow-towing to my demands.


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I for the most part don't give a sh1t whether you fit in or not, but stop whinging about how we don't appreaciate your presence.

I have no need to fit in, as I didn't arrive here, as you apparently did. And actually I'm saying the complete opposite, I'm saying Australians appreciate the presence of Muslims just as much as they appreciated the arrival of any other group. Are you agreeing with me?

stryder wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 10:56pm:

Quote: ** I am a New Age Muslim and even I can't stand muslims.   Back to top     Good to know, salad. Quite frankly Islam and muslims needs some reform to shed itself from its barbarity and medieval thinking thats still entenched in mainstream Islam itself, Maybe it might happen one day.

That's not so 'good to know'. New Age Muslims hate everyone, even themselves. In our version of Islam the men wear the burqa and stay at home. We must dress modestly. If a woman catches a glimpse of our hair it can turn them into slobbering sex maniacs. Our book, the holy nar'uq, says that we aren't to take other people particularly mainstream muslims as friends.

Here's a feel good story that you won't see in the headlines too often:
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New apartment projects build on the success of migrants

WITHIN a radius of a few hundred metres of the imposing al-Zahra mosque and school in Sydney's ethnically diverse southwest, a frenetic pace of building activity is under way as trendy apartment blocks rise from old industrial estates.

The mosque is located in Arncliffe, 10km south of the city centre, a place settled mainly by Lebanese Muslims since the 1970s that was once feared to be an ethnic enclave of crime and unemployment.

Directly across the road from the mosque, the earthworks are under way for a 182-unit complex as cement mixers come and go from the dusty site. Down the road, three cranes work steadily to put together a huge apartment complex as though it were a Meccano set. In the next suburb, one of Sydney's biggest shopping complexes is being built.

The latest wave of Muslim migrants are getting jobs and starting successful businesses. They are buying houses, often using Islamic credit, and they are having big families. And all of this explains why shopping centres and neighbourhoods are being rapidly rebuilt as this ethnic baby boom drives growth.

Muslim neighbourhoods are being transformed by rising affluence, a result that supports the claim by Immigration Minister Chris Bowen that multiculturalism in Australia is working.

The Muslim heartlands in our major cities are thriving places -- surprisingly so. Unlike in Britain and Europe, the migrants allowed into Australia have skills that enable them to make the most of our strong economy, says Oliver Marc Hartwich from the Centre for Independent Studies.

Mr Hartwich says immigration has been more successful than in Europe because Australia has demanded more of immigrants in terms of skills, language ability and willingness to integrate.

Migrants from the Middle East are the latest wave and some may appear less willing to integrate, but they are earning good money and spending it.

David Tanana, 18, who is studying construction at TAFE, says people in his community are working mainly in trades and they are doing very well.

Asked what changed in his area while he was growing up, he says: "People are working more. They are more successful now, they have got more money. You can see the cars, the houses."

Mr Tanana's own family experience tells the story. A decade ago his family moved from a small house into a two-storey home with five bedrooms and three bathrooms. His brother works in a bank, his sister in a call centre.

Mr Tanana works part time in the industrial bakery owned by his extended family. The business turns out 7000 to 10,000 packets of Lebanese bread every day.

He plans to go into franchise building. At school, in Years 11 and 12, he completed courses in construction, occupation health and safety, and first aid.

His aunt, Hala Beydoun, has worked at the bakery for 20 years, and has seen families in the area do well. Many now own houses and they typically have four or five children, she says.

Eman Omran, who sells apartments in the complex next to the mosque, says people from trendy inner suburbs are looking to buy because it is affordable and has good transport connections. The complex, which will feature a pool and a gym, has also attracted a lot of Asian investors.

These changes do not mean that problems don't exist as people from diverse backgrounds rub up against each other. There clearly are some minorities who have little interest in mainstream Australian culture and values, and little interest in integrating.

Tensions remain in Arncliffe after youths last year vandalised the local cenotaph before Anzac Day. Police said they were looking for youths of Middle Eastern appearance, but no one was arrested.

David Clark, the general manager of Arncliffe RSL, says "an uneasy truce" between the Muslim youths and established residents remains. But a council worker who looks after the park disagrees, saying there is rarely any trouble and all of the young people in the park go there to play soccer.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/new-apartment-projects-build-on-the-success-of-migrants/story-fn59niix-1226012252948

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I can see why people would be afraid of them, they are becoming successful, just like the Italians, Greeks and Vietnamese before them.

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I can see why people would be afraid of them, they are becoming successful, just like the Italians, Greeks and Vietnamese before them

Actually that's always been the reason Anglo-Aussies have despised immigrants. They consider them to be "opportunity-usurpers". According to the Hanson-wannabes, immigrants should not prosper until all white Australians have prospered first. After all us whiteys have been here for hundreds of years, and if some newcomer wants to come and prosper, then he should get into line and wait till we're all done being prosperous first. They're all a pack of queue-jumpers these immigrants, as the Hanson-wannabe mentality goes.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/sustainability-party/immigration.html

Abu, do you think this is a fair way to address people's concerns without over-reacting?