David Cameron, UK PM, talks about immigration policy.

Abu, do you think he is right about this distinction?


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Mr Cameron clearly distinguished between Islam the religion and the political ideology of Islamist extremism, saying they "are not the same thing".

Or is the political ideology they have integral to Islam and it is only some of the methods or the timing (before Muslims have enough power to take over) that make them extremists?

Also, do you think this is fair?


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But he argued that non-violent organisations which present themselves as a gateway to the Muslim community but are ambiguous on Western values should no longer receive state funding, and should be banned from university campuses.

Prediction: Abu will deflect by trying to redefine western values for us.

Its pretty evident that the farce of multiculturalism in the modern day has failed on all counts. Merkel was the first to admit it, now Cameron. One can only wonder when our spineless government will front up and say it how it is. A failure. Try going down to Lakemba or Punchbowl trying to proclaim how Islam is evil- muslims have left a trail of social excrement wherever they have resided. Little wonder they are resented here- because they show little respect or tolerance yet have the audacity to impose themselves on others. it's like opening the door to guests and have them barge in and start criticising your decor. Bit rude wouldn't you say. Regardless, they'll never' takeover' a place like Australia- they'll be crushed by the multitudes of people that have had enough of their tirades.

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Its pretty evident that the farce of multiculturalism in the modern day has failed on all counts.

I'd say it's been fairly successful. Sure our governments haven't implemented it perfectly, and our uneducated masses are always fearful of it, due to their ignorant xenophobia, but overall it's worked out fine. It's helped build this country and make it what it is. although hatemongers like yourself would like to throw our lot in with Europe, we are not the same. Australia is a country built on migration, even before the multicultural period. It is unlike Europe in that the indigenous population are not a majority, the migrants are.


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Try going down to Lakemba or Punchbowl trying to proclaim how Islam is evil

Try going to Cronulla and proclaim how evil Anglos are.... What kind of idiotic claim is this?


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Regardless, they'll never' takeover' a place like Australia- they'll be crushed by the multitudes of people that have had enough of their tirades.

I think you're dreaming.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 6:40am:

Quote: Its pretty evident that the farce of multiculturalism in the modern day has failed on all counts. I'd say it's been fairly successful. Sure our governments haven't implemented it perfectly, and our uneducated masses are always fearful of it, due to their ignorant xenophobia, but overall it's worked out fine. It's helped build this country and make it what it is. although hatemongers like yourself would like to throw our lot in with Europe, we are not the same. Australia is a country built on migration, even before the multicultural period. It is unlike Europe in that the indigenous population are not a majority, the migrants are. [quote]Try going down to Lakemba or Punchbowl trying to proclaim how Islam is evil

Try going to Cronulla and proclaim how evil Anglos are.... What kind of idiotic claim is this?


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Regardless, they'll never' takeover' a place like Australia- they'll be crushed by the multitudes of people that have had enough of their tirades.

I think you're dreaming.[/quote]


Hook, Line and sinker abu!
You have an amazing inability, like most muslims, to admit or be accountable for anything, instead justifying it or doing the 'what about X,Y,Z..?'
Yes, Australia was founded on multi ethnicity, but it hasnt worked in the modern ages due to extremist subhuman cultures.
I searched online for any images of placard carrying christians or anglo's in general that had signs saying:
Behead those who insult us
Death to others
Destruction is coming your way etc etc etc
...but I couldn't.
I dont suggest that anglo society has it right all the time, but we exercise a thing called tolerance and democracy, something which is clearly been offered too liberally to the likes of non moderate muslims...but that's another story.

freediver wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 8:12am:

David Cameron, UK PM, talks about immigration policy. Abu, do you think he is right about this distinction? [quote]Mr Cameron clearly distinguished between Islam the religion and the political ideology of Islamist extremism, saying they "are not the same thing".

I think you should ask WHY Muslims became extemists? I'd like to see how true blue aussies would react to the kinds of abuse Muslims have had to face for over 60 years.

Is there a distinction between Aussie racist supremacists and the ideology of Aussie mateship?

Or do you believe your zionist masters, that zion was promised by G-d to the chosen?

You Muslim baiters and haters in here are beginning to sicken me. I came to this forum believing I would find intelligent political and thoughtful Aussie debate, and instead find this forum is cesspool of racism and hatred even worse than some of the Islam hate sites stacked with zionist jews.

Not one of you even have the decency to look at genuine evidence and continue asking the same questions over and over.

But I guess it's to be expected from zionist devotees, it is after all what they teach.

If Aussies don't wake up soon to the zionist agenda and what it will mean to All Australians we'll have no Australia left to feel proud of, and we'll all end up being taught Talmudic law.

Does being aresholes make you feel good? Is that your idea of happiness?

 

HC wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 12:49am:

Its pretty evident that the farce of multiculturalism in the modern day has failed on all counts. Merkel was the first to admit it, now Cameron. One can only wonder when our spineless government will front up and say it how it is. A failure. Try going down to Lakemba or Punchbowl trying to proclaim how Islam is evil- muslims have left a trail of social excrement wherever they have resided. Little wonder they are resented here- because they show little respect or tolerance yet have the audacity to impose themselves on others. it's like opening the door to guests and have them barge in and start criticising your decor. Bit rude wouldn't you say. Regardless, they'll never' takeover' a place like Australia- they'll be crushed by the multitudes of people that have had enough of their tirades.

The backlash is starting. Even the spineless governments of western Europe are realising that multiculturalism is a failure, especially so when a dark age cult like islam is thrown into the mix. Islam is  a theocratic and political ideology that is totally unable to co-exist with any other system. It's their way or nothing and they would drag us into a new dark age if left unchecked.

Belgarion wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 10:56am:

The backlash is starting. Even the spineless governments of western Europe are realising that multiculturalism is a failure, especially so when a dark age cult like islam is thrown into the mix. Islam is  a theocratic and political ideology that is totally unable to co-exist with any other system. It's their way or nothing and they would drag us into a new dark age if left unchecked.

Tell me one thing 'honestly' when did you first realise you hated Islam ... Precisely when?

As for the failure of multiculturalism it's come too late.
You dodos don't even know it was introduced to create bigots and racists out of us.. Sadly it has succeeded advantagesly in that instance (for the zionist masters), we are now known world wide as a racist nation and makes Racist Australians a pushover for accepting zionist rule.

Shalom Goyim (That's hebrew for cattle)

Jan wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 10:20am:

freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2011 at 8:12am: David Cameron, UK PM, talks about immigration policy. Abu, do you think he is right about this distinction? Quote: Mr Cameron clearly distinguished between Islam the religion and the political ideology of Islamist extremism, saying they "are not the same thing". I think you should ask WHY Muslims became extemists? I'd like to see how true blue aussies would react to the kinds of abuse Muslims have had to face for over 60 years.

I know that answer to that question.

One word, ISLAM.



Moslems become extremists because moslems are moslems.

Moslems become extremists because moslems take their instruction on how to be good moslems, from ISLAM, from their imam's, from their ISLAMIC texts, from the Koran, and from the Hadith.

WARFARE AND ENMITY AGAINST THOSE WHO REJECT ISLAM, IS OBLIGATORY FOR ALL GOOD MOSLEMS.

MOSLEMS BECOME EXTREMISTS BECAUSE THERE IS NO MODERATE ISLAM.

AND, BECAUSE THERE IS NO MODERATE ISLAM, THERE ARE NO MODERATE MOSLEMS.

ALL GOOD MOSLEMS ARE EXTREMISTS.

THAT, IS WHAT ISLAM DEMANDS OF THEM


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123



Who is a moslem ???

A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM] which tells moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those who do not believe, as they believe.

THAT, is a basic ISLAMIC doctrine.


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

A SMALL example from ISLAMIC religious texts, encouraging moslems to die, fighting for the spread of ISLAM.

The Hadith;

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.053

"The Prophet said, "...I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.054

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who enters Paradise likes to go back to the world even if he got everything on the earth, except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.072

"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

i.e. Muhammad is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And that Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed.


"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025



The plain and simple truth;

ISLAM IS A DEATH CULT




ISLAM teaches moslems that they have a right to be the masters of mankind, and that anyone who rejects that worldview may lawfully be killed - for 'insulting' ISLAM and moslems, because of their rejection of ISLAM's authority.

IMAGE...
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98



IMAGE;
http://www.jihadwatch.org/Khomeinist.jpg

SOURCE;
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/04/a-khomeinist-in-austin.html

Jan wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 11:21am:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 7th, 2011 at 10:56am: The backlash is starting. Even the spineless governments of western Europe are realising that multiculturalism is a failure, especially so when a dark age cult like islam is thrown into the mix. Islam is  a theocratic and political ideology that is totally unable to co-exist with any other system. It's their way or nothing and they would drag us into a new dark age if left unchecked. Tell me one thing 'honestly' when did you first realise you hated Islam ... Precisely when? As for the failure of multiculturalism it's come too late. You dodos don't even know it was introduced to create bigots and racists out of us.. Sadly it has succeeded advantagesly in that instance (for the zionist masters), we are now known world wide as a racist nation and makes Racist Australians a pushover for accepting zionist rule. Shalom Goyim (That's hebrew for cattle)

I realised I hated Islam when, as a child who descended from the earliest Muslims to arrive here pre 1900, I saw a change from the old peaceful idealogy to the militant way of today. I can't help having a muslim surname, but I am an australian and have served as an australian soldier. My family have integrated over time and I am proud of that.
Perhaps I have been privy to things only somebody of a muslim background would hear about the west- thats why I hate Islam.

Interesting thought HC.....and perhaps you might have extra knowledge...

For myself, I don't hate Islam itself......I don't really 'hate' any religion...

I dislike and distrust Extremist Islam though, which I view as a set of political ideals, hiding inside a religion....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:41pm:

Interesting thought HC.....and perhaps you might have extra knowledge... For myself, I don't hate Islam itself......I don't really 'hate' any religion... I dislike and distrust Extremist Islam though, which I view as a set of political ideals, hiding inside a religion....

gizmo, i dont hate all muslims actually but find the nature of their makeup has deteriorated over time into what it is today. I have heard disturbing conversations among muslims, and they bother me.
You only need to speak with a muslim for a few moments to know whether they are moderate or a smacking nutcase extremist..

HC wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:56pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7th, 2011 at 3:41pm: Interesting thought HC.....and perhaps you might have extra knowledge... For myself, I don't hate Islam itself......I don't really 'hate' any religion... I dislike and distrust Extremist Islam though, which I view as a set of political ideals, hiding inside a religion.... gizmo, i dont hate all muslims actually but find the nature of their makeup has deteriorated over time into what it is today. I have heard disturbing conversations among muslims, and they bother me. You only need to speak with a muslim for a few moments to know whether they are moderate or a smacking nutcase extremist..

Yeah that's sort of what I meant..

It's the 'smacking nutjob extremist' one that I have a problem with...

Interesting. Abu completely ignored me rather than responding with deflections. Is this a first?

I listened to a British lawyer for about twenty minutes yesterday slam the sh*t out of David Cameron. The video should be available online soon. You can hear my voice in it during the Q&A at the end.

OK, interest pricked....

lol

fd, Pretty much everyone who joined this discussion ignored you, you tend to do that... you open discussions with nonsensical topics and assumptions, and some nutjob responds back to you, sparking something, and your initial post just sinks into oblivion.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:41pm:

For myself, I don't hate Islam itself......I don't really 'hate' any religion... I dislike and distrust Extremist Islam though, which I view as a set of political ideals, hiding inside a religion....

So how come you admire and support zionist Jews? ... You can't get more extreme than that

HC wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:34pm:

[I realised I hated Islam when, as a child who descended from the earliest Muslims to arrive here pre 1900, I saw a change from the old peaceful idealogy to the militant way of today. I can't help having a muslim surname, but I am an australian and have served as an australian soldier. My family have integrated over time and I am proud of that. Perhaps I have been privy to things only somebody of a muslim background would hear about the west- thats why I hate Islam.

So you hate your parents and background? OR did your hatred start when you saw the change take place ... When was that?

That was my question so answer it as asked!

Jan wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 11:43pm:

HC wrote on Feb 7th, 2011 at 3:34pm: [I realised I hated Islam when, as a child who descended from the earliest Muslims to arrive here pre 1900, I saw a change from the old peaceful idealogy to the militant way of today. I can't help having a muslim surname, but I am an australian and have served as an australian soldier. My family have integrated over time and I am proud of that. Perhaps I have been privy to things only somebody of a muslim background would hear about the west- thats why I hate Islam. So you hate your parents and background? OR did your hatred start when you saw the change take place ... When was that? That was my question so answer it as asked!

I'll answer only if you ask nicely...:p.., I don't respond to demands.

HC wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:56pm:

[gizmo, i dont hate all muslims actually but find the nature of their makeup has deteriorated over time into what it is today. I have heard disturbing conversations among muslims, and they bother me. You only need to speak with a muslim for a few moments to know whether they are moderate or a smacking nutcase extremist..

You should try listening in to zionist conversations and try discussing the Talmudic laws, you might hear and learn some really bothering extremism.

But of course they have had centuries to learn how to 'moderate' their tone, and have experience in "conquest by stealth", and never having to fight PHYSICALLY for anything ... they conquer through controlling the MONEY, ie control the money SUPPLY to all governments. And (for the time being) they have their favoutites but will eventually land in the lap of the G-D ... Israel.

Mossad Motto 'By Way of Deception, thou shalt do War'

Here's some bothering news:

For years, Zionists have manipulated events for the purpose of having others fight their wars. In Gaza, they established Hamas as a recruiting center for enraged Arabs, then IDF soldiers wantonly kill most of a family, leaving a couple male survivors behind. Suddenly one day, a visitor from Hamas shows up at the men's door, offering them a chance at revenge.

In Iraq, our government has thousands of Israeli advisors floating around our military bases, privy to all areas and Intel. In a normal operation, an Israeli intelligence agent finds a patrol’s route and relays it to Israeli contractors, who then plant a bomb, and two Arabs in a car are given the detonator.

The Marines walk down the route, the Arabs detonate the bomb, a few Marines are killed and maimed, and the other Marines seek revenge. Now, Israel moves to the next level, whereby they document the revenge to escalate the incident. Once again, Israel has recruited Arabs to act as their fodder.

A big operation is underway. IDF demolition experts blew up a 1500 year-old Mosque in Samarra, and they spread rumors that Americans did it. They have used their 'Contractors/Mercenaries' to act as death squads, kidnapping and killing Iraqis by the hundreds over the last 2 months.

The recent propaganda of films, and the documenting of two massacres by Marines, says they are laying the groundwork for a massive False-Flag terror attack. That operation may well be the stepping stone needed for the invasion of Iran.

 

Here's a little bit of news you may have overlooked.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7254807/Mossads-licence-to-kill.html

Here you will find the "Official" story of the forming of Mossad ... but how public would the "Official" story of a SECRET SERVICE go.  [smiley=wink.gif]

Jan wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 11:36pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7th, 2011 at 3:41pm: For myself, I don't hate Islam itself......I don't really 'hate' any religion... I dislike and distrust Extremist Islam though, which I view as a set of political ideals, hiding inside a religion.... So how come you admire and support zionist Jews? ... You can't get more extreme than that

Hmmmm could be because 'zionist jews' don't do mass suicide attacks on civilians.....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2011 at 5:56am:

Hmmmm could be because 'zionist jews' don't do mass suicide attacks on civilians.....

No they don't, they just commit genocide on Palestinians, starve them, terrorise them, and make sure they can't get weapons of their own, and have to fight back to save their families using all that they have left ... themselves.

Or murder their own kind in acts of terror, eg 9/11, or assassinate leaders and blame it on others.

You follow them because they DON'T do their own dirty work they have people like you do it for them.

You're as sick as the elites are. But then they made the plan complicated so simple minds couldn't read the road signs....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBKDZhu-EZw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m89SB59DT34

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azgAQ4XzlX0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFQqbZicLuw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBKDZhu-EZw&feature=related

Ah yes indeed the ignorance of the masses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QBylh1UE8A&feature=related

Jan wrote on Feb 8^th, 2011 at 7:44am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 5:56am: Hmmmm could be because 'zionist jews' don't do mass suicide attacks on civilians..... No they don't, they just commit genocide on Palestinians, starve them, terrorise them, and make sure they can't get weapons of their own, and have to fight back to save their families using all that they have left ... themselves. Or murder their own kind in acts of terror, eg 9/11, or assassinate leaders and blame it on others. You follow them because they DON'T do their own dirty work they have people like you do it for them. You're as sick as the elites are. But then they made the plan complicated so simple minds couldn't read the road signs.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBKDZhu-EZw&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m89SB59DT34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azgAQ4XzlX0&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFQqbZicLuw&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBKDZhu-EZw&feature=related Ah yes indeed the ignorance of the masses. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QBylh1UE8A&feature=related

No jan, 9/11 wasn't mossad...it was Bil Laden...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2011 at 9:36am:

No jan, 9/11 wasn't mossad...it was Bil Laden...

Still can't get your head out of the Talmud long enough to research real evidence I see.

You keep believing in those pillars of peace and fraternity Sunshine ... they may keep you around as their servant boy when they own the rest of Australia.

Wonder what they will call Australia, Ozrael maybe?

http://brendonoconnell.blogspot.com/2011/01/brendon-oconnell-gets-three-years-for.html

http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/

Jan wrote on Feb 8^th, 2011 at 10:38am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 9:36am: No jan, 9/11 wasn't mossad...it was Bil Laden... Wonder what they will call Australia, Ozrael maybe? http://brendonoconnell.blogspot.com/2011/01/brendon-oconnell-gets-three-years-for.html http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/

Better 'Ozrael' than Ozslam.

Beertruk wrote on Feb 8^th, 2011 at 9:12pm:

Jan wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 10:38am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 9:36am: No jan, 9/11 wasn't mossad...it was Bil Laden... Wonder what they will call Australia, Ozrael maybe? http://brendonoconnell.blogspot.com/2011/01/brendon-oconnell-gets-three-years-for.html http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/ Better 'Ozrael' than Ozslam.

Your wish will be granted ... sooner than you think, I doubt you will like it any better than the palestinians

Jan wrote on Feb 8^th, 2011 at 10:38am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 9:36am: No jan, 9/11 wasn't mossad...it was Bil Laden... Still can't get your head out of the Talmud long enough to research real evidence I see. You keep believing in those pillars of peace and fraternity Sunshine ... they may keep you around as their servant boy when they own the rest of Australia. Wonder what they will call Australia, Ozrael maybe? http://brendonoconnell.blogspot.com/2011/01/brendon-oconnell-gets-three-years-for.html http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/

Seriously Jan, you'd better by a new tinfoil hat, the one you've got is far too tight....

It's sad that almost everything you've posted so far on these boards has been just ....wrong...
You really should stop getting all you're info from conspiraloon and fringe sites, it's making you look silly....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 6:17am:

Seriously Jan, you'd better by a new tinfoil hat, the one you've got is far too tight.... It's sad that almost everything you've posted so far on these boards has been just ....wrong... You really should stop getting all you're info from conspiraloon and fringe sites, it's making you look silly....

Unlike you I get my information from personal research and people whp know a lot more than you can imagine. I also have a life away from the computer and don't rely on google and wikipedia.

But no worries gizmo you just keep on your chosen path and you won't even notice the passing of good ol' Australia, you'll be well and truly brainwashed ... Hey you may even enjoy being downtrodden.

dw jan gizmo posts a lot of dumb wrong sh*t too

Abu, do you think this is a fair immigration policy?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/sustainability-party/immigration.html