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Message started by shampain socialist on Jan 28th, 2011 at 1:50am

Title: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by shampain socialist on Jan 28th, 2011 at 1:50am
If? where? when? who?
will win?
christian suicide bombers? hindi suicide bombers? etc etc

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by abu_rashid on Jan 28th, 2011 at 7:18am

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If? where? when? who?


You'd know, since it is you guys who are instigating it.


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will win?


Probably whoever is fighting for their freedom from the oppression of occupying violence-mongers...


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christian suicide bombers? hindi suicide bombers?


You say this as if these things never occurred.

NEWSFLASH: Hindu/Tamil fighters in Sri Lanka were the inventors of suicide bombing. Christian Arabs have carried out many suicide bombings in the Middle east, not against Muslims, but alongside Muslims against the Zionists.

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by salad in on Jan 28th, 2011 at 9:40pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 28th, 2011 at 7:18am:
NEWSFLASH: Hindu/Tamil fighters in Sri Lanka were the inventors of suicide bombing.


You slapped me for presenting stale news but I'll let your stale news slide. My 'stale' news was to underscore a point, but I think you knew that.

How wise of us to allow Tamils into the country to live side-by-side with their former enemies, the Sinhalese. Australia is the clever country. Imagine any Tamil or Sinhalese calling an Australian a racist. What comedy.

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by shampain socialist on Jan 29th, 2011 at 3:57am
It is hard to imagine whoever else is instigating a global war other than people who suicide bomb in public airports and places in Russia, Spain, England, etc etc.

Keep pushing the envelope; and when it starts, and they have their wish, and all empathy and humanitarianism disappears from the minds of men, and there will be no more time, nor space,  for suicide bombers, nor chance to think of who was to blame, then we will see  the bloody chaos and tears that will then ensue for years. People keep making the same, same old mistake with the west century after century...why do you want to take these people on. Romans did not defeat them, Islam did not defeat them, and you will not defeat them now. Unbelievable stupidity and defeatism. They are the greatest warriors the world has ever seen, that's why they are there..and you want to fight them? with God on their side?
...idiots.

Maybe God will permit you to prevail for a time against them, if so to purify them; you may do God's will...for a time; and for a (predetermined) purpose. We will see.

You mistake their love of peace and reconciliation for weakness; their other extreme is implacable, that is the reality, and many are seeking that out, incredibly.

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 29th, 2011 at 7:14am

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NEWSFLASH: Hindu/Tamil fighters in Sri Lanka were the inventors of suicide bombing.


Actually the first (or one of the first) political suicide bombings was the assasination of Tsar Alexander II in 1881...

So,no the Tamils didn't invent suicide bombing..

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by abu_rashid on Jan 29th, 2011 at 8:41am

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It is hard to imagine whoever else is instigating a global war other than people who suicide bomb in public airports and places in Russia, Spain, England, etc etc.


Well for the feeble minded git who didn't notice Russia's past 20 years of rape, pillage and mass slaughter in Chechnya, or Britain's numerous invasions and occupations of Muslim countries that's resulted in millions of civilian casualties.... yeh it might seem like that.

For someone with half a brain though, no.


Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by abu_rashid on Jan 29th, 2011 at 8:49am

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Actually the first (or one of the first) political suicide bombings was the assasination of Tsar Alexander II in 1881...

So,no the Tamils didn't invent suicide bombing..


Using suicide as a weapon has probably existed since the dawn of warfare. Of course there were plenty of cases of suicide being used as a weapon before, like the Kamikaze in WWII and the many ancient warrior orders in Japan, India and other places that glorified dying in battle to the point that their warriors actually sought it out.

What I was speaking about was the modern phenomena of resistance movements strapping explosive belts to themselves and placing themselves in densely populated areas. This strategy was indeed invented by the LTTE in Sri Lanka in the early 1980's and later some Islamic movements in occupied-Palestine, then more recently occupied-Iraq and occupied-Afghanistan adopted it from them.


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The use of the explosive belt or vest was invented and perfected by the Tamil Hindu separatists of Sri Lanka called the LTTE

(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosive_belt#History)

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by freediver on Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:18am
Who invented the use of aeroplanes as bombs to increase the civilian casualties?

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by abu_rashid on Jan 29th, 2011 at 11:29am

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Who invented the use of aeroplanes as bombs to increase the civilian casualties?


I'm not sure who the first was, but I know it's not who you think it was.

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by freediver on Jan 29th, 2011 at 12:18pm
So Muslims don't actually develop new strategies?

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by abu_rashid on Jan 29th, 2011 at 1:26pm
If Muslims did it first then fd would condemn them as the originators of the practice, if they didn't, he'd criticise them as unoriginal copycats.

You are not even worth discussing with, honestly. It's like emptying the ocean one thimble at a time.

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by life_goes_on on Jan 29th, 2011 at 1:59pm

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Who invented the use of aeroplanes as bombs to increase the civilian casualties?


I believe it was the Germans during WW2. At first it was just a matter of filling up old bombers and transport aircraft with explosives and plowing them into whatever target, then it became more purposeful with a specially designed pilotless aircraft - the V1.

The whole Japanese Kamikaze thing came well over a year after the Germans started playing around with the "aircraft as the bomb itself" idea.

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by freediver on Jan 29th, 2011 at 2:02pm
They killed a few thousand innocent people with 9/11. (If you are happy to accept non-Muslims as being innocent.) I don't think it matters much either way whether they were the first to use that particular technique. So you are right, they will be condemned regardless.

But I'm still interested to know who the first was.

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 29th, 2011 at 2:09pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 1:59pm:

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Who invented the use of aeroplanes as bombs to increase the civilian casualties?


I believe it was the Germans during WW2. At first it was just a matter of filling up old bombers and transport aircraft with explosives and plowing them into whatever target, then it became more purposeful with a specially designed pilotless aircraft - the V1.

The whole Japanese Kamikaze thing came well over a year after the Germans started playing around with the "aircraft as the bomb itself" idea.


Yeah but those ( Japanese and German) were mainly aimed at military targets......ok, the V-1 and V-2 were used on civilians...but the 'human' piloted ones were pretty much military in usage...

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by life_goes_on on Jan 29th, 2011 at 2:22pm
The German ones didn't usually result in the death of the pilot, but when you're doing something like that on a restricted budget with limited resources it doesn't take a massive lightbulb moment to realise that a suicidal pilot is the way to go.

I believe the japanese had a suicide anti tank device during WW2 - pretty much just a lump of explosives on a stick that was held against the side of a tank and exploded. I think allied troops called it the "lunge grenade".

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 29th, 2011 at 2:59pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 2:22pm:
The German ones didn't usually result in the death of the pilot, but when you're doing something like that on a restricted budget with limited resources it doesn't take a massive lightbulb moment to realise that a suicidal pilot is the way to go.

I believe the japanese had a suicide anti tank device during WW2 - pretty much just a lump of explosives on a stick that was held against the side of a tank and exploded. I think allied troops called it the "lunge grenade".


The Germans DID in fact have a 'suicide' squadron in WW2..called the 'Leonidas Squadron'...

"The Leonidas Squadron, formally known as 5th Staffel of Kampfgeschwader 200 was a unit which was originally formed to fly the Fieseler Fi 103R (Reichenberg), a manned version of the V-1 flying bomb that was never used in combat because Werner Baumbach, the commander of KG 200, and his superiors considered it an unnecessary waste of life and resources, and preferred to use the Mistel bomb instead. However, from 17 April until 20 April 1945 (during the Battle of Berlin) thirty-five pilots of the Leonidas Squadron flew suicide sorties against Soviet bridges over the river Oder with little noticeable effect."


Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by life_goes_on on Jan 29th, 2011 at 3:42pm
I did mean that the pilots usually survived in relation to mistel and other odd "flying bomb" operations - not in relation to that rather out of character and desperate suicide operation during the dying days of the war.

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by Jan on Jan 29th, 2011 at 4:37pm

freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:18am:
Who invented the use of aeroplanes as bombs to increase the civilian casualties?

Freediver are you referring to 9/11?

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 29th, 2011 at 4:44pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 3:42pm:
I did mean that the pilots usually survived in relation to mistel and other odd "flying bomb" operations - not in relation to that rather out of character and desperate suicide operation during the dying days of the war.



Ok I see what you mean...the 'suicide' squadron wasn't too popular with the German high command... but it DID, in fact, exist..

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by abu_rashid on Jan 29th, 2011 at 4:44pm

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Freediver are you referring to 9/11?


It seems he was, but I'm guessing he now realises the folly of his mistake.

Freediver doesn't know much about the world beyond what he reads from others. Hence his complete ignorance about events like the hijacking of flight 705 by an American Christian to fly into a populated Federal Express building in 1994 (ie. 7 years before 9/11).

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 29th, 2011 at 4:49pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 4:44pm:

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Freediver are you referring to 9/11?


It seems he was, but I'm guessing he now realises the folly of his mistake.

Freediver doesn't know much about the world beyond what he reads from others. Hence his complete ignorance about events like the hijacking of flight 705 by an American Christian to fly into a populated Federal Express building in 1994 (ie. 7 years before 9/11).


Yeah but he ( Calloway) didn't actually manage to carry out the hijacking..

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by Yadda on Jan 29th, 2011 at 5:04pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 4:44pm:

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Freediver are you referring to 9/11?


It seems he was, but I'm guessing he now realises the folly of his mistake.

Freediver doesn't know much about the world beyond what he reads from others. Hence his complete ignorance about events like the hijacking of flight 705 by an American Christian to fly into a populated Federal Express building in 1994 (ie. 7 years before 9/11).



We are 'learning' creatures.

'Monkey see, monkey do!'



Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by Calanen on Jan 29th, 2011 at 6:34pm

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Freediver doesn't know much about the world beyond what he reads from others. Hence his complete ignorance about events like the hijacking of flight 705 by an American Christian to fly into a populated Federal Express building in 1994 (ie. 7 years before 9/11).


So what. The events are not connected, and have no bearing on each other. Just another means of discussion derailment designed to take the scrutiny off Islam by pointing to someone else who has done something bad. Just another  pointless and childish 'tu quoque' argument, from Islam, the champions of thought terminating cliches and sophistry.

Uprisings in Tunisia, Ivory Coast, Yemen, Syria, Egypt and now Jordan, no coincidence - the hand of the Muslim Brotherhood is behind this.

My prediction which I think I published on here a few years ago was that Islam will unite under sharia into something resembling the European Union and then there will be war against the infidels.






Title: Suicide Bomber Killed by "Happy New Year" Text Message
Post by freediver on Jan 30th, 2011 at 8:31am
It is getting harder and harder to find suicide bombers. All the really good ones are gone.

http://www.cellular-news.com/story/47625.php

An alleged Russian suicide bomber who was killed when her bomb detonated too early may have been killed when a "Happy New Year" text message was sent to the mobile phone that was to be used to trigger the bomb.

The unnamed woman, believed to be a "Black Widow" bomber was planning to detonate a suicide vest on a busy square near Red Square on New Year's Eve. However, the text message from the phone network triggered the blast too early - she was the only person killed in the subsequent explosion. Some networks have taken to sending corporate messages on New Years Eve earlier in the evening to avoid additional load at midnight, when the networks already struggle to cope with the flood of greetings sent by their subscribers.

Although the explosive is wrapped around the suicide bomber, the decision when to detonate it is reportedly taken by an onlooker who can see the wider area and work out when the bomber is placed to cause the most deaths. The onlooker detonates it by sending a text message to a phone wired into the suicide vest.

The phones are usually kept switched off until the very last minute but in this case, Russian security sources told The Telegraph newspaper that they believe the terrorists were careless.

Title: Re: Suicide Bomber Killed by "Happy New Year" Text Mes
Post by Yadda on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 9:26am

freediver wrote on Jan 30th, 2011 at 8:31am:
It is getting harder and harder to find suicide bombers. All the really good ones are gone.

http://www.cellular-news.com/story/47625.php

An alleged Russian suicide bomber who was killed when her bomb detonated too early may have been killed when a "Happy New Year" text message was sent to the mobile phone that was to be used to trigger the bomb.

The unnamed woman, believed to be a "Black Widow" bomber was planning to detonate a suicide vest on a busy square near Red Square on New Year's Eve. However, the text message from the phone network triggered the blast too early - she was the only person killed in the subsequent explosion. Some networks have taken to sending corporate messages on New Years Eve earlier in the evening to avoid additional load at midnight, when the networks already struggle to cope with the flood of greetings sent by their subscribers.

Although the explosive is wrapped around the suicide bomber, the decision when to detonate it is reportedly taken by an onlooker who can see the wider area and work out when the bomber is placed to cause the most deaths. The onlooker detonates it by sending a text message to a phone wired into the suicide vest.

The phones are usually kept switched off until the very last minute but in this case, Russian security sources told The Telegraph newspaper that they believe the terrorists were careless.





Trust in our God, and his righteousness.


Psalms 9:16
The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.

Psalms 57:6
They have prepared a net for my steps; my soul is bowed down: they have digged a pit before me, into the midst whereof they are fallen themselves. Selah.



Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by Beertruk on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 9:23pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 11:29am:

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Who invented the use of aeroplanes as bombs to increase the civilian casualties?


I'm not sure who the first was, but I know it's not who you think it was.



It was the Fakeastinians that started to raise aircraft hi-jacking to a new level.

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by Beertruk on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 9:44pm


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Hence his complete ignorance about events like the hijacking of flight 705 by an American Christian to fly into a populated Federal Express building in 1994 (ie. 7 years before 9/11).



Your comment of 'American Christian' is misleading and wrong. There is no mention of Calloway's religion in the link. How do you know Calloway wasn't a muslim?

Title: Re: The coming global war with global islamisticism?
Post by shampain socialist on Feb 4th, 2011 at 3:20am
Islamists would never win a global war (or any war)...they talk too much, or end the conversation in default by suicide bombing.
Weird. Do they like gambling as well? Great combination.l

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