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Title: reluctance of Muslims to criticise lunatics Post by freediver on Jan 25th, 2011 at 10:38pm
We were discussing an Australian Muslim calling for the violent overthrow of the government to install Shariah law. An article from The Australian suggested that 'moderate' Muslims are hesitant to criticise these people because they have varying levels of support within the Islamic community. Islamic leaders risk alienating many Muslims if they criticise lunatics.
Abu responded by suggesting that it is part of Australian culture to not speak out against extremists and that mainstream Muslims need have no interest at all in condemning extremist Muslims unless they break the law, and that even then it is the job of the police to look into it: abu_rashid wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 10:03pm:
Not satisfied with this excuse, Abu then went on to equate speaking out against lunatics with lynching them. Not sure why he thought of lynching as it was pretty much out of context: abu_rashid wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 10:34pm:
Abu then went on to justify the unwillingness of Muslims to publicly criticise lunatics by suggesting there are no movements in Australia against Nazism and racism. abu_rashid wrote on Jan 24th, 2011 at 7:11am:
But wait, there's more! Abu then came up with an interesting alternative theory about why Muslims don't criticse lunatics. It seems to be an unexpected result of taqiyya (deception of non-Muslims). Basically, Muslim leaders do not publicly speak out against these lunatics because 'moderate' Muslims then assume that they are simply lying for the benefit of western media and that they actually support them. Abu actually said this. abu_rashid wrote on Jan 24th, 2011 at 7:11am:
This may seem like absurdly convoluted mental gymnastics to make excuses for the behaviour of Muslims, especially to those not familiar with Islam and who expect people to simply say what they mean, (particularly spiritual leaders). However, Abu's theory does appear to have some basis in reality. The British documentary 'Undercover Mosque' uncovered some rather chilling examples of Muslim leaders publicly saying one thing to non-Muslims and the opposite to fellow Muslims. http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2008/2360820.htm#transcript Quote:
Not sure why Muslims would look to someone like that for spiritual guidance, especially in an 'enlightened' western country. Perhaps Abu can shed some light on it. |
Title: Re: reluctance of Muslims to criticise lunatics Post by freediver on Jan 25th, 2011 at 10:42pm
Some other interesting things exposed by the documentary. This points more toward the theory that 'moderate' Muslims don't criticise the lunatics because they agree with them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undercover_Mosque Quote:
Abu, the bit about public condemnation being nothing more than 'showboating' - is this part of Islamic tradition, or did you just make it up? |
Title: Re: reluctance of Muslims to criticise lunatics Post by Yadda on Jan 26th, 2011 at 1:54am freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2011 at 10:38pm:
But surely FD, we all know that these 'extremist Muslims' are not real moslems? They are 'moslem impersonators' who give ISLAM, and moslems a bad reputation by their un-ISLAMIC conduct. AND THEREFORE, in acting un-ISLAMICLY, these 'moslem impersonators' become 'unbelievers' [by their conduct]. AND THEREFORE, moslem community leaders would be free to criticise these 'persons' [i.e. 'moslem impersonators'] who are acting un-ISLAMICLY, surely ??? a big, /SARC OFF +++ ISLAM is deceit. If moslems act violently, non-moslems are told by the 'other' moslems, that such people are not real moslems. i.e. 'Don't you know, that those people acting violently, or criminally, are obviously 'moslem impersonators', YOU DUMB KUFFAR'. /sarc off BUT, we are told that moslem community leaders, and the moslem community, cannot condemn those people and such violent/criminal behaviour, even when spokesmen for the moslem community deem such people to be 'moslem impersonators' [who are bringing ISLAM, and 'good' moslems into dis-repute]. But let a non-moslem teacher call a teddy bear Mohammed. Or let non-moslems satirise moslem violence in cartoons, AND WHAT DO WE GET FROM THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY ??? Outrage and threats of violence, and murder; On those placards... "Slay those who insult Islam" "Behead those who insult Islam" "Massacre those who insult Islam" "Butcher those who mock Islam" "Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way" "Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way" "Exterminate those who slander Islam" "Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer" "Islam will dominate the world" "Freedom go to hell" "Europe take some lessons from 9/11" "Be prepared for the real Holocaust" "BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders" When are you non-moslems going to wake up to yourselves ??? |
Title: Re: reluctance of Muslims to criticise lunatics Post by salad in on Jan 26th, 2011 at 8:26am freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2011 at 10:38pm:
May we please know what a 'moderate muslim' looks like? Do they have a large 'MM' stamped on their foreheads as they stream through our airports' arrival gates or the Christmas Island detention centre? May we know which passage in the holy qur'an allows muslims to vary the word of mo? Does the qur'an say something like "in the year 2010 and subsequent years the harshness of the words in the qur'an may be relaxed and muslims are free to embrace Xtians, Jews, Janes, Falun Gongers, Hindus and any other member of an alleged religion? I'm a New Age Muslim and I seek answers to these and other complex issues. Go in peace. |
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