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Message started by mellie on Oct 18th, 2010 at 10:06am

Title: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 18th, 2010 at 10:06am
So as to stop intruding on the Mary MacKillop thread..(out of respect for others who wish to discuss her very memory).....

I wish to denote this thread to discussing controversial feats of mankind, scientific or otherwise.



A theory of Einstein the irrational plagiarist
Christopher Jon Bjerknes – The Canberra Times September 19, 2006

The name "Einstein" evokes images of a good-humoured genius, who revolutionised our concepts of space, time, energy, mass and motion. Time named Albert Einstein "person of the century". The language itself has incorporated "Einstein" into our common vocabulary as a synonym for extraordinary brilliance. Many consider Einstein to have been the finest mind in recorded human history.

That is the popular image, fostered by textbooks, the media, and hero worshiping physicists and historians. However, when one reads the scientific literature written by Einstein's contemporaries, a quite different picture emerges: one of an irrational plagiarist, who manipulated credit for their work.

Einstein is perhaps most famous for the special theory of relativity, published in 1905 in the German physics journal, Annalen der Physik. The paper was devoid of references, a fact that Einstein's friend and Nobel prize winner for physics, Max Born, found troubling.

continues...

http://web.archive.org/web/20061116211832/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=5236

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by darkhall67 on Oct 18th, 2010 at 10:41am

     
Re: Mary MacKillop will be a Saint.
Reply #87 - Today at 10:23am
   
mellie wrote on Today at 9:34am:
Just one of many things which bring him into disrepute are as follows...

(And yes, there are many)

Schrödinger gas model

Einstein suggested to Erwin Schrödinger that he might be able to reproduce the statistics of a Bose–Einstein gas by considering a box. Then to each possible quantum motion of a particle in a box associate an independent harmonic oscillator. Quantizing these oscillators, each level will have an integer occupation number, which will be the number of particles in it.

This formulation is a form of second quantization, but it pre-dates modern quantum mechanics. Erwin Schrödinger applied this to derive the thermodynamic properties of a semiclassical ideal gas. Schrödinger urged Einstein to add his name as co-author, although Einstein declined the invitation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein
______________________________________

In other-words, he was a conceited self-promoting untrustworthy Shmuk, given he took all the credit for other scientists contributions...so what's to say anything with a modicum of genius was in fact his, when he point-blank refused to give others credit where it was Jew.

-Smirk
 And why?

Because he knew it was BS himself. In fact, Einstein knew much of his theory would remain just that, theory.....

http://www.aulis.com/albert_einstein.htm



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So einstein declined schrodingers invitation to be acknowledged as "co-author" so schrodinger gets all the credit and that makes einstein "conceited self promoting and untrustworthy"?


How do you figure that?

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 18th, 2010 at 1:03pm
No, he declined duel authorship because he probably didn't want to be cited for having lead other scientists astray with his own inherent BS.... plus it would have rendered him obliged to re-substantiate his own formula , claim, at a time when other scientists were becoming increasingly suspicious of his controversial theories, feats.

Perhaps given the original source had deceased, this and doing so would have been difficult had someone expected him to explain his own theory?

Theory's he himself admitted would unlikely be proven fact for many years after his death, ....and this is being guarded by our sprawling Zionist-socialists movement still calling the shots in US today, ....who more or less portray him as being an individual of exceptional , almost immortal IQ potential, and to such an extent that one of them even stole and pickled his brain most mortem, without having asked for familial consent.

Their reasoning for why our scientists of today cannot make sense of some of his especially ridiculous and myth-busted theories is that modern scientists still haven't caught up with his genius yet.

It's politically incorrect to question his intellect, status, and who ever does, is immediately branded a racist/lunatic /jealous/trouble-maker...so most just keep it to themselves or publish it quietly.



He has been like so many cranks before him immortalised throughout the scientific pages of our history...  and will be forever more.
it was a matter of good timing for an otherwise unremarkable Jewish school-boy who like Al Gore was very good at deceiving the masses and had family in the right placed to help him along in his pilgrimage to the US.

Now, after having named a university after him, this and awarding him a Nobel prize...it's unlikely they will retract, or scrutinise him now, (as doing so would reflect poorly on them) ...even if the general 'unspoken' consensus among modern academics and leading scientific lights are themselves inherently aware of his vast short-comings and plagiarised works.

He was a crack-pot with the right formula of the day.

e=mc2?

More like

e=rp2

He had no business bringing either politics or religion into the field of science, however this said, had he not done so, he would have remained working at the Swiss Patent Office...  after having been repeatedly declined a position in the scientific course of his choice.

When someone has a great idea, makes a discovery, or invents something be it intellectual property or otherwise......where's the first place they go to secure it?

Many ideas have been stolen by patents officers over the years,(particularly the deceased).. think of patent theft as a business strategy.

The currency of innovation and it's applied industry even?

8-)

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 18th, 2010 at 1:27pm
And again, this is just my own theory, though does this mean it's any less relevant than he who's own theories are still yet to be scientifically confirmed fact?

Ask yourself, what did Einstein receive a Nobel Prize for?

Precisely name it.


8-)

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by darkhall67 on Oct 18th, 2010 at 2:24pm

mellie wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 1:27pm:
And again, this is just my own theory, though does this mean it's any less relevant than he who's own theories are still yet to be scientifically confirmed fact?

Ask yourself, what did Einstein receive a Nobel Prize for?

Precisely name it.


8-)





Seriously?



Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 18th, 2010 at 2:31pm
einstein = freemason

search max plank

1.6 x 10 to the negative 35th meter

all points of matter lose locality that is

they become omnipresent.

eistein recanted and said max plank is correct ipso facto

E does not equal mc squared

try the veal you have all been hoodwinked.

namaste

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by muso on Oct 18th, 2010 at 2:44pm

mellie wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 1:27pm:
And again, this is just my own theory, though does this mean it's any less relevant than he who's own theories are still yet to be scientifically confirmed fact?

Ask yourself, what did Einstein receive a Nobel Prize for?

Precisely name it.


8-)


Mellie's theory of irrelevativity? The Photoelectric effect?

Have you considered that you might actually be out of your depth here?



Quote:
E does not equal mc squared


- and Nagasaki and Hiroshima were never destroyed.  ::)

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 18th, 2010 at 2:45pm

darkhall67 wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 10:41am:
     
Re: Mary MacKillop will be a Saint.
Reply #87 - Today at 10:23am
   
mellie wrote on Today at 9:34am:
Just one of many things which bring him into disrepute are as follows...

(And yes, there are many)

Schrödinger gas model

Einstein suggested to Erwin Schrödinger that he might be able to reproduce the statistics of a Bose–Einstein gas by considering a box. Then to each possible quantum motion of a particle in a box associate an independent harmonic oscillator. Quantizing these oscillators, each level will have an integer occupation number, which will be the number of particles in it.

This formulation is a form of second quantization, but it pre-dates modern quantum mechanics. Erwin Schrödinger applied this to derive the thermodynamic properties of a semiclassical ideal gas. Schrödinger urged Einstein to add his name as co-author, although Einstein declined the invitation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein
______________________________________

In other-words, he was a conceited self-promoting untrustworthy Shmuk, given he took all the credit for other scientists contributions...so what's to say anything with a modicum of genius was in fact his, when he point-blank refused to give others credit where it was Jew.

-Smirk
 And why?

Because he knew it was BS himself. In fact, Einstein knew much of his theory would remain just that, theory.....

http://www.aulis.com/albert_einstein.htm



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So einstein declined schrodingers invitation to be acknowledged as "co-author" so schrodinger gets all the credit and that makes einstein "conceited self promoting and untrustworthy"?


How do you figure that?



It's easy darkhall....Schrodinger's work was based on one of Einstien's papers....Einstien declined co-authorship because he wanted his personal friend (Schrodinger) to get all the credit and kudos...

But Einstien 'must' be bad....because he was Jewish.....and that's enough for mellie

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by muso on Oct 18th, 2010 at 2:52pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 2:45pm:
But Einstien 'must' be bad....because he was Jewish.....and that's enough for mellie


Unbelievable. I wonder what other internet conspiracies they believe in? Maybe the moon-landing 'hoax' ?

Do you think Mellie and It_is the_light could be the same person?

They seem to have a lot in common.

Mellie, you should be very wary of your sources. That Truthseeker website was a hotbed of Lefties: (oh noes!)

http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20041206051222/http://www.truthseeker.co.uk/Articles/new_world_order.htm

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 18th, 2010 at 2:59pm

muso wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 2:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 2:45pm:
But Einstien 'must' be bad....because he was Jewish.....and that's enough for mellie


Unbelievable. I wonder what other internet conspiracies they believe in? Maybe the moon-landing 'hoax' ?

Do you think Mellie and It_is the_light could be the same person?

They seem to have a lot in common.


Could be....
Next time I'm at the back of the garden I'll get Snugglepot and Cuddlepie to check with the Unicorn...HE'LL know..

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 18th, 2010 at 3:00pm
in this mother earths history earth had 2 moons in syncronicity

the moon you now observe is hollow and a draconian product yes

you only ever see one side of the moon do you not?

magnetic artificial body which will soon be removed when just like

a cell in the microcosm the earth will divide

and so it is

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 18th, 2010 at 3:02pm
unicorns are real yes they are of my kind

these are acturian

arch angels

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by muso on Oct 18th, 2010 at 3:04pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 3:00pm:
in this mother earths history earth had 2 moons in syncronicity

the moon you now observe is hollow and a draconian product yes

you only ever see one side of the moon do you not?

magnetic artificial body which will soon be removed when just like

a cell in the microcosm the earth will divide

and so it is

namaste

-:)




Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 18th, 2010 at 3:05pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 3:00pm:
you only ever see one side of the moon do you not?


-:)


Actually it's more like 2/3rd or 3/4.....
There's only a narrow slice of the darkside we never see..

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by muso on Oct 18th, 2010 at 3:06pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 3:02pm:
unicorns are real yes they are of my kind

these are acturian

arch angels

namaste

-:)


They are Arcturian. Get it right.  ;D

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 18th, 2010 at 3:28pm
They are Arcturian. Get it right.  ;D

_________

yes thanks typo,

well done -;)

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by muso on Oct 18th, 2010 at 3:32pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 3:28pm:
They are Arcturian. Get it right.  ;D

_________

yes thanks typo,

well done -;)


We Freemasons know these things.

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 18th, 2010 at 3:43pm
oh really?

did you know your buddies here the vrill/reptillians

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfx_gEjrSG8&feature=recentf

are going to be taking you clowns that have sold your soul

to a jurrassic planet filled with the reptiles you were

selling out humanity for as food?

yet you dear ones will be the food.

you have been hoodwinked by your own ritualistic intent.

enjoy yourselves wont you...humanity will be 5D

namaste and bon voyage

obama will address humanity next month nov 8 with these

shapeshifters

and these ones with obama are no angels

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 18th, 2010 at 3:49pm
Oh wow....

That's JUST GOLD...

Even under the "It_is_the_Light" scale.....

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 18th, 2010 at 4:41pm
No Giz, not bad because he was Jewish at all, but you have to understand there is indeed an influential Zionist movement, one in which itself grants privileges to their own , above and before others of higher or same intellect deemed to be of a lesser creed.

With Jews, it's very much a 'grail' affair, (take a look at their national emblem) ...it's about blood, particularly that of the maternal line.


Meaning, if you have a Jewish mother, you are automatically considered a Jew, however if your only blood-tie to the Jewish race is fraternal, then you are generally not considered Jewish...therefore must convert, of which is a rather lengthy and complex process.

On the whole, Einstein aside, I find Jewish people to be an intelligent and polite people, but when people start using their lineage/race for personal privilege, especially political advantage which stands to effect others, I think it can be rather discriminatory.

No race, creed, denomination is exempt from this, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, all of which place emphasis on their sense of self, and inherited sense of entitlement.

It should be about who we are, not where we came from or what god (if any) you believe in.

But lets face it, we are a discriminatory and prejudice species, this and place a hell of a lot of emphasis on where we came from, often more than we should.

:)





Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 18th, 2010 at 4:51pm

mellie wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 4:41pm:
No Giz, not bad because he was Jewish at all, but you have to understand there is indeed an influential Zionist movement, one in which itself grants privileges to their own , above and before others of higher or same intellect deemed to be of a lesser creed.With Jews, it's very much a 'grail' affair, (take a look at their national emblem) ...it's about blood, particularly that of the maternal line.


Meaning, if you have a Jewish mother, you are automatically considered a Jew, however if your only blood-tie to the Jewish race is fraternal, then you are generally not considered Jewish...therefore must convert, of which is a rather lengthy and complex process.

On the whole, Einstein aside, I find Jewish people to be an intelligent and polite people, but when people start using their lineage/race for personal privilege, especially political advantage which stands to effect others, I think it can be rather discriminatory.

No race, creed, denomination is exempt from this, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, all of which place emphasis on their sense of self, and inherited sense of entitlement.

It should be about who we are, not where we came from or what god (if any) you believe in.

But lets face it, we are a discriminatory and prejudice species, this and place a hell of a lot of emphasis on where we came from, often more so than who we are as individuals.


So you belief that Einstein is famous, not because of his ground breaking work in Physics (Relativity, Statisical Mechanics, Quantum Mechanics, the Thermal properties of light and the Photoelectric effect etc etc), but simply because 'Zionist Movement' MADE him famous, for being Jewish?????

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 18th, 2010 at 5:01pm
Mellie, shut it with the anti-semitic ravings. Your credibility suffers at the best of times but when you litter it with anti-semitism you look like a jerk.

Einstein was a true genius although it is also true that most commentators will say that Mozart was history's probably most intelligent person with an IQ well in excess of 200. Einstein wasnt that intelligent but certainly had a breathtaking vision which compensated for any intellectual 'deficiences'.

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 18th, 2010 at 5:09pm
I am entitled to my opinion, and whilst you argue that Einstein was famous for the above stated, can you precisely tell me what it was he won a Nobel Prize for?

Hint, it was for none of which you mention above.

8-)...

I'm not anti-simite, I'm anti-bullshite.


Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 18th, 2010 at 5:24pm
So you belief that Einstein is famous, not because of his ground breaking work in Physics (Relativity, Statisical Mechanics, Quantum Mechanics, the Thermal properties of light

_________

slow down this one einstien mearly explains draconian

3rd dimensional paradigm and a hoodwink.

free energy magnetic zero point is here

max plank explains the 5th dimensional aspect and

conduit in 3rd order of dimension.

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 18th, 2010 at 5:25pm

mellie wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 5:09pm:
I am entitled to my opinion, and whilst you argue that Einstein was famous for the above stated, can you precisely tell me what it was he won a Nobel Prize for?

Hint, it was for none of which you mention above.

8-)...

I'm not anti-simite, I'm anti-bullshite.


you are entitled to your opinion, yet at the same time I am entitled to say you are off-your-tree. The Nobel prize is not the only prize in science nor is it even the most prestigious, merely the most well known.

Einsteins contributions to physics revolutionised the science and no one wil ever convince me (or anyone else of sane mind) to the opposite. Was he the best ever? not likely but certainly one of the 'giants' whose shoulders modern physicists now stand on. You are merely seeking to pull down the famous and most disgracefully for the worst possible reasons. The rest of us would consider ourselves lucky if we had 1% of the impact on the world that he has had.

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 18th, 2010 at 5:26pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 5:24pm:
So you belief that Einstein is famous, not because of his ground breaking work in Physics (Relativity, Statisical Mechanics, Quantum Mechanics, the Thermal properties of light

_________

slow down this one einstien mearly explains draconian

3rd dimensional paradigm and a hoodwink.

free energy magnetic zero point is here

max plank explains the 5th dimensional aspect and

conduit in 3rd order of dimension.


you are a moron with a comic-book understanding of physics and an even poorer understanding of reality.

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 18th, 2010 at 5:34pm
further on the aspect of the IQ paradigm

this is not about repeating government propaganda and lies of

history and the hoodwink agenda

intelligence may be gained through the conduit of which you

are capable of yes

to grasp a higher knowledge from the higher dimensions

not limited to (to wit) 3rd dimensional constructs and obsticals

which surround you.

an aspect of LIGHT is attainable yes

"this person has good vibes" oh yes

that dear one is of LOVE and LIGHT

this is within you so if you have the care let the trumpet sound

and stand within this LIGHT

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 18th, 2010 at 5:40pm
you are a moron with a comic-book understanding of physics and an even poorer understanding of reality.

_________

this entity is known by the LIGHT within me yes

i observe this one has not evolved from the repeater of govt

propaganda and sycophant of the 'elite'

for you see dear ones this one mearly repeats the lies and if

you do not conform to said propaganda cart this one sluggishly

pushes like a limp wristed mind controlled gimp

i do not judge

so be it

i missed you weekender

who loves you baby

-:)

namaste

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 18th, 2010 at 6:01pm
Longweekend, can you list a couple of Einstein's science awards , this precisely tell us what they were for?

8-)


Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 18th, 2010 at 7:13pm

mellie wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 6:01pm:
Longweekend, can you list a couple of Einstein's science awards , this precisely tell us what they were for?

8-)


What the hell are you getting at? are you having trouble accepting Einstein's pre-eminent place int he world of science? given that you are clearly woefully educated in science I can only assume you are obliquely referring to the fact that he was a Jew? why not come out and spew your bile onto the screen and skip the beating-around-the-bush!

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 18th, 2010 at 7:33pm
Look, I like many people are sceptical about a number of his  and other scientists theories, (Last I checked, it wasn't a criminal offence to question scientific theory)  so I ask you, what did he win a number of science awards for, can you specifically state them so I may delve into them more thoroughly myself.

Perhaps just name one or two?

Or should I just assume that like god, he always was, and always will be forever righteous, immortalised throughout the pages of scientific history, his brain worth preserving, simply because others like you appreciated his genealogy first, then his theories, many of which themselves remain questionable at best.

8-)


Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 18th, 2010 at 7:37pm
Jesus turned water into wine, ...now, that's what I call advanced chemistry 2000 odd years ago....   ;)

;)...  Then there was the whole walking on water thingo, perhaps he mastered the art of altering the waters surface tension some how or another... and was a scientist in his own right also?

History says it's true, so it must be right?




Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 18th, 2010 at 9:05pm

mellie wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 5:09pm:
I am entitled to my opinion, and whilst you argue that Einstein was famous for the above stated, can you precisely tell me what it was he won a Nobel Prize for?

Hint, it was for none of which you mention above.

8-)...

I'm not anti-simite, I'm anti-bullshite.


Yes it was...

""for his services to Theoretical Physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect"

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 18th, 2010 at 9:40pm
Leaving your wife and three kids to marry your cousin isn't very noble.

look how he went from an unremarkable considered slow student, to unemployable teacher who couldn't find a post, so in 1905 took up a position as a patents clerk. During his stay at the Patent Office, and in his "spare time", he produced much of his remarkable work and in 1908 he was appointed Privatdozent in Berne.

Tully inspiring....  and uncanny how much of his inspiring work was achieved during his short stay at the patent office, I would have thought he would have come up with much of it after having embarked on his rather profound scientific journey away from the patents office.

Einstein's researches are, of course, well chronicled and his more important works include...
Special Theory of Relativity (1905),
Relativity (English translations, 1920 and 1950),
General Theory of Relativity (1916),
Investigations on Theory of Brownian Movement (1926),
and The Evolution of Physics (1938).
Among his non-scientific works, About Zionism (1930),
Why War? (1933),
My Philosophy (1934),
and  Out of My Later Years (1950) are perhaps the most important.

None of which he received a Nobel prize for.

So as you can see, he started off with something "quirky" from the patents office in 1905...then spent the next 30 odd years re-writing the same theory, paraphrasing it perhaps into his own words,(talk about milking a good thing)...then embarked on a more politicised career, writing articles about Zionism, socialism, apathy, and ultimately himself.

Talk about regressing~

When he was a child, right up into his teens, his parents thought he was retarded, you know, I think they had it right the first time.

Because eccentricity as we know is a much nicer way of saying someone is a lunatic.

He married Mileva Maric in 1903 and they had a daughter and two sons; their marriage was dissolved in 1919 and in the same year he married his cousin, Elsa Löwenthal, who died in 1936. He died on April 18, 1955 at Princeton, New Jersey.

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1921/einstein-bio.html





Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 18th, 2010 at 9:48pm
Ironic how he achieved most of his best stuff whilst working at the patients office as a clerk.

Must have been a slow job....funny the discovery's  one makes in a patents office.

8-)....  Notice how he spent the next 30+ years rewriting the same theory, just in different ways...and a different language even. Clever!

And again, he did not receive a Nobel Prize for his infamous 'Special'  theory of relativity.










Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 18th, 2010 at 10:12pm
Wow, he achieved so much more at the patents office, perhaps he should have stayed there?

Albert Einstein's mathematical description of how the photoelectric effect was caused by absorption of quanta of light (now called photons), was in one of his 1905 papers, named "On a Heuristic Viewpoint Concerning the Production and Transformation of Light". This paper proposed the simple description of "light quanta", or photons, and showed how they explained such phenomena as the photoelectric effect. His simple explanation in terms of absorption of discrete quanta of light explained the features of the phenomenon and the characteristic frequency. Einstein's explanation of the photoelectric effect won him the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1921.

Truly inspiring, and to think, all his great discoveries were made whilst he worked as a clerk at the patents office.

It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out how this most likely occurred.

Why nothing of significance after he left, whereby he preceded to spend the next 30 odd years teaching and paraphrasing his "patent office" theories?




Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by physicist on Oct 19th, 2010 at 4:58am
Mellie

Bjerknes is a crank of the highest order, as people who actually know the scientific and historical facts can testify. So it is nonsense for him to write: "The fact that Einstein was a plagiarist is common knowledge in the physics community." For an accurate account of Einstein's work, one that shows up the many false stories about Einstein circulating on the internet, see Albrecht Folsing, *Albert Einstein*, 1997.

If you check out Bjerknes's website you'll see he lives in a fantasy world where the Jews/Zionists are conspiring to wipe out all gentiles, and all manner of people are their agents, including Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran! Einstein, being a Jew who became an ardent Zionist, is a natural target for Bjerknes

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 19th, 2010 at 5:16am
No, no,no, not at all... I don't think his mode of thought is at all quite right,(way over the top)  laughs...(re-his Zionist paranoia theory)...it's simply a theory I arrived at myself years ago, then set about delving into to see if others had arrived at the same conclusion, with Einstein having published his best, in fact, all of which was note worthy during a magical 1905, when he worked at the patents office as a clerk.

Ok, I might be wrong, but you have to admit, it is kind of strange that he should not do much more until the 1930's.. then change his genre, (to politics)...this is other than expand on others theories or set about paraphrasing, rewriting, translating his own that he wrote in his magical 1905.

8-)...Must have been a rather inspirational patents office I think.

Look, I'm a bit of a conspiracy buff/Dan Brown fan, you may have noticed this already, so if you find what I have written offensive, just take it with a grain of salt, and brush me off as being a conspiranaut or a nut-case, I'll forgive you.

.... I just get these gut feelings sometimes, and probably what's worse, and serves to reinforce my process is that quite often, I find I'm right even if I do say so myself.

;)




Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by physicist on Oct 19th, 2010 at 5:47am
Mellie, you wrote:

Quote:
I might be wrong…


You are! With all due respect, it does help if you have even a minimal knowledge of the facts about someone you are commenting on.


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it is kind of strange that he should not do much more until the 1930's… then change his genre, (to politics).


Einstein did a great deal more continuously after the publication of his 1905 papers, which is why he was revered by the eminent physicist of his day. As with most physicists with the greatest achievements, his best work was done before he was 40. But he worked on at Princeton trying (and failing) to discover a unified field theory. He became active in politics but only from the sidelines of actual political affairs, but he never stopped working on theoretical physics.


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…other than expand on others theories or set about paraphrasing, rewriting, translating his own that he wrote in his magical 1905.


Sorry, that is complete (and ignorant) nonsense. You really shouldn't believe something just because you read it somewhere.


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Must have been a rather inspirational patents office I think.


Strangely enough, it was! He had been working on his own ideas relating to the advanced theoretical physics of the day since was about nineteen. He started employment at the Bern patent office when he was about 22, and found it wasn't totally time-consuming, so he snatched odd moments to work on his physics topic of the moment. He also worked on his ideas in the evenings and on Sundays. Then in the summer of 1904 an old friend of his from his college days, Michele Besso, joined the patent office, and they fervently discussed Einstein's ideas, especially on their joint journey home from work. (Besso gets an acknowledgement at the end of the 1905 special relativity paper.)

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 19th, 2010 at 6:40am
Look, he was a tryer, I'll give him that.
He got knocked back year after year (trying to get into university) , until, the year of the magi...1905, when he submitted a couple of theories he claims to have dreamt up in his bed one night, and hit the jackpot.

Then, nothing!  

Other than expanding on other scientists theories, and coming up with a few out-there star-treck theories of his own... from 1905 to 1930 he just rewrote his same old patent-office relativity theory,(paraphrased it a few times)...expanded on someone else's discovery in 1921 then settled into scientific celebritism.
Post 1930's he went a bit senile screwing his cousin and began writing about socialism, Zionism, pacifism, and even about himself.

Something he knew about for a change, must have been rather refreshing.

He won a noble prize for his contributory services to theoretical Physics, this and his contributory services to "photoelectric effect", which had already been discovered by someone else , all he did was spit and polish it.

And even then, he only won the Nobel Prize in 1922, after the selection panel in 1921 decided none of the nominations (including his) met their criteria, as outlined in the will of Alfred Nobel.

Then after a year of nothing much else surfacing, (talent wise) according to the Nobel Foundation's statutes, the Nobel Prize can in such cases be reserved until the following year, after loosening the rules a little, at which point a statute was applied and allowed for him to score a noble he would not have otherwise got had something truly talented met their minimal selection criteria. Must have been a quiet year in the field of physics....his parents probably paid them to give it to him, the way they tried to pay his way into college without success until he got published in 1905 after producing a couple of patent office theories, none of which he received the Nobel for.

So, it couldn't have been too fantastic!

Yet, we to this day, think of his theory of relativity when paying tribute to his work.

It's sad in a way, he was forever being knocked back, I think he had incredibly pushy parents, who just wouldn't accept the fact that their 34 year old son required velcro ties on his built-up sneakers...this and was not aware of his own limitations. Ok, he was obviously bright, wouldn't have pulled it off otherwise, but I don't think he was "AS" bright as we are lead to believe he is today.

It was a runner-up award my friend, one they relaxed the rules for because he was the best they had, possibly all they had at the time even though he didn't quite meet their criteria the year before.

Look, he was a trier, i'll give credit where it's due.

:)



Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19th, 2010 at 6:42am
Look, he was a tryer, I'll give him that.
He got knocked back year after year (trying to get into university) , until, the year of the magi...1905, when he submitted a couple of theories he claims to have dreamed up and hit the jackpot.

Then, nothing!  

___________

thats the freemasonic years

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19th, 2010 at 6:45am
einstein also contacted rosevelt 33 degree freemason and

satanic despot and clued him in to the atomic bomb plans

which they worked frantically upon and delivered upon hiroshima

and nagasaki

these were in league with the annunaki reptilians

http://www.crystalinks.com/montauk.html

Various conspiracy theorists claim that experiments began in earnest in the early 1980s. They claim that during this time one, some or all of the following occurred at the site. No evidence has ever been provided that any of the following is true:

The facility was expanded to as many as twelve levels and several hundred workers. Some reports have the facility extending under the town of Montauk itself.
Homeless people and orphans were abducted and subjected to huge amounts of electromagnetic radiation to test mind control technology and remote brain programming. Few survived.
People had their psychic abilities enhanced to the point where they could materialize objects out of thin air. Stewart Swerdlow claims to have been involved in the Montauk Project, and as a result, he says, his "psionic" faculties were boosted, but at the cost of emotional instability, post-traumatic stress disorder, and other issues. An alien supposedly designed a chair, which an individual could sit in to boost his mental and precipatory powers. A prototype duplicate was given to England and put in a facility on the Thames River.
Experiments were conducted in teleportation.
A "porthole (portal?) in time" was created which allowed researchers to travel anywhere in time or space. This was developed into a stable "Time Tunnel." Underground tunnels with abandoned cultural archives were explored on Mars using this technique.
Contact was made with alien extraterrestrials through the Time Tunnel and technology was exchanged with them which enhanced the project. This allowed broader access to "hyperspace".
Mind control experiments were conducted and runaway and kidnapped boys were abducted and brought out to the base where they underwent excruciating periods of both physical and mental torture in order to break their minds, then their minds were re-programmed. Many were supposedly killed during the process and buried on the site. Others were released with programming as mind-slaves with alternate personalities to be sleeper cells who could be activated to perform missions.
On or about on August 12, 1983 the time travel project at Camp Hero interlocked in hyperspace with the original Rainbow Project back in 1943. The USS Eldridge was drawn into hyperspace and trapped there. Two men, Al Bielek and Duncan Cameron both claim to have leaped from the deck of the Eldridge while it was in hyperspace and ended up after a period of severe disorientation at Camp Hero in the year 1983. Here they claim to have met John von Neumann, a famous physicist and mathematician, even though he was known to have died in 1957. Von Neumann had supposedly worked on the original Philadelphia Experiment, but the U.S. Navy denies this.
Flying saucers were observing the Philadelphia Experiment in 1943 and and got sucked into a time warp and was transported to one of the underground tunnels in Montauk and got stuck there. The aliens demanded a large quartz crystal to help get their ship's engines started to be able to leave. The time machine was used to obtain one from another planet.
Nikola Tesla, whose death was faked in a Conspiracy, was the chief director of operations at the base. Mass psychological experiments, such as the use of enormous subliminal messages projects and the creation of a "Men in Black" corps to confuse and frighten the public, were invented there.
Professional wrestler Rob Van Dam claims to have accidentally stumbled upon the area while driving to an arena. During one hour's time, he went into the time tunnel and claimed to have met Nikola Tesla, who told him that he was "...going to return in 2007 to end it all".

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 19th, 2010 at 6:54am

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 19th, 2010 at 6:45am:
einstein also contacted rosevelt 33 degree freemason and

satanic despot and clued him in to the atomic bomb plans

which they worked frantically upon and delivered upon hiroshima

and nagasaki

these were in league with the annunaki reptilians



Yes , I know he was a mason, but then again, who wasn't back then who had enough money to go to college.
It was more or less a cultural norm among the intellectual members of society.... a sophisticated intellectual gents club.

People didn't have TV's back then its-the-light....

;)






Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19th, 2010 at 6:54am
Below is an interview I did with Preston Nichols and Duncan Cameron who were guests on my TV talk show "The Metaphysical Experience" in 1991. This does not imply that I agree with what was told to me.

There is something about the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk Project that draws the same people together over and over, this being posted in 2007, and my connection with them having begun in 1989. We have shared memories gathered independently and yet the same. I was not part of either project, but share other memories from a parallel experience. I do not believe the events will ever be proven, but there is something that links the time travel experiments of WW II with our current time line, experiences and the destiny of humanity, not to mention reality as a consciousness experiment in linear time.

There are events that parallel our biogenetic experiment, as an alien platform, the Nazi Germany WW II biogenetic experiments and time travel itself. When we move through Project Stargate we are looking at a metaphoric message linking SG with the sacred geometric design of our programmed reality.

The Interview
The Philadelphia experiment originally began back in the 1930's in Chicago with three people. Dr. John Hutchinson Sr., who was the Dean of the University of Chicago, Nicola Tesla, and Dr. Kurtenaur, who was an Austrian physicist who was on staff at the University.

They decided to do something with the speculation regarding the concept of things and people being invisible. This subject had been discussed for several year. They got together and did some research at the University of Chicago around 1931 or 1932. In 1933 the Institute of Advanced Studies at Princeton was formed and the project was transferred there in 1934. One of the people on staff at the Institute was Dr. John Erich Von Neumann, who was from Budapest Hungary. He got his degree in chemistry in 1925 and his Ph.D. in mathematics in 1926. He taught in Europe for about four years and transferred to the United States. He taught at the graduate level for three years and was invited to join the Institute.

Other people at the Institute included Albert Einstein, who left Germany in 1930. He went to the California Institute of Technology for three years and taught there and then went to the Institute upon their invitation and acceptance. A lot of other people showed up there as time went on. The project expanded about 1936. In the meantime, Tesla was named director of the project. He was a friend of president Franklin Roosevelt, whom Tesla met in 1917 when FDR was secretary of the Navy.

Tesla was asked at that time to do some work for the government for the war effort, which he did. He accepted and became director of the invisibility project until he resigned in 1942. In 1936, after intensive study, they decided to have an initial test of their work. They achieved some partial invisibility. The Navy and everyone else was encouraged to continue the work, and the Navy supplied money for research.

Scientists were coming to the United States from Germany until 1939, when the war with Germany was started.

In 1940, after research using Tesla's approach, they decided they were ready for a full test at the Brooklyn Navy Yard. They had a small ship and a tender ship at each side. One ship provided the power and the other supplied the drive for the coils. They were tendered to the test ship by cables. The idea was that if anything went wrong they could cut the cables or sink the test ship. Everything worked and the project was declared a success.

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19th, 2010 at 6:55am
http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/einstein.shtml

Text of the Letters

Einstein's First Letter to Roosevelt

Notes:
The letter that launched the arms race. A warning to President Roosevelt of the possibility of constructing "extremely powerful bombs of a new type" with hints that the German government might be doing just that. Addressed and dated Peconic, Long Island, August 2nd 1939, it was most likely written by Leo Szilard, the scientist who invented the chain reaction. Nevertheless, Einstein took full responsibility for its consequences, calling it "the greatest mistake" of his life. I have tried to reproduce the formatting as it appeared in the original. This is the only letter for which I have done this.
Source:
Public Domain. See the list of mirror sites to view photocopies of the original letter.

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19th, 2010 at 6:57am
March 7, 1940

I wish to draw your attention to the development which has taken place since the conference that was arranged through your good offices in October last year between scientists engaged in this work and governmental representatives.

Last year, when I realized that results of national importance might arise out of research on uranium, I thought it my duty to inform the administration of this possibility. You will perhaps remember that in the letter which I addressed to the President I also mentioned the fact that C. F. von Weizsäcker, son of the German Undersecretary of State, was collaborating with a group of chemists working upon uranium at one of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institutes - namely, the Institute of Chemistry.

Since the outbreak of the war, interest in uranium has intensified in Germany. I have now learned that research there is carried out in great secrecy and that it has been extended to another of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institutes, the Institute of Physics. The latter has been taken over by the government and a group of physicists, under the leadership of C. F. von Weizsäcker, who is now working there on uranium in collaboration with the Institute of Chemistry. The former director was sent away on leave of absence, apparently for the duration of the war.

Should you think it advisable to relay this information to the President, please consider yourself free to do so. Will you be kind enough to let me know if you are taking action in this direction?

Dr. Szilard has shown me the manuscript which he is sending to the Physics Review in which he describes in detail a method of setting up a chain reaction in uranium. The papers will appear in print unless they are held up, and the question arises whether something ought to be done to withhold publication.

I have discussed with professor Wigner of Princeton University the situation in the light of the information available. Dr. Szilard will let you have a memorandum informing you of the progress made since October last year so that you will be able to take such action as you think in the circumstances advisable. You will see that the line he has pursued is different and apparently more promising than the line pursued by M. Joliot in France, about whose work you may have seen reports in the papers.



Einstein's Third Letter to Roosevelt

Notes:
This is only a fragment of the letter's body.
Source:
Ronald W. Clark. Einstein: The Life and Times. New York: Avon Books, 1970: 681.

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:00am
Since the outbreak of the war, interest in uranium has intensified in Germany.

__________

and so it is

that australia has been sold out to these freemasonic orders

and now hold all leases of uranium in australia thanks

to your elected freemasons thathave been complicent in the

theft of all natural rescources paying quite a pretty penny to

the australian workers to gain public hearts and minds toward

the poverty of all concerned

its all sold now rail ports.

and so it is

enjoy

namaste

-:)


Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by physicist on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:11am

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He got knocked back year after year (trying to get into university)


mellie: Evidently my suggestion that you should be cautious about making assertions on a subject on which you are almost entirely ignorant has fallen on deaf ears.

When Einstein took the Zurich Polytechnic entrance exams in 1895 he was only 16, two years younger than the normal age of entry. (He had to obtain a special dispensation from the Principal to take them.) Despite his age, his grades in physics and mathematics were so exceptional that the physics professor, Heinrich Weber, invited him to sit in on his second year class. But, having been out of the school system for some nine months because he followed his parents who had emigrated to Italy when his father's Munich firm went under, he failed in a number of other subjects. On the advice of the Principal he spent the next academic year at a Swiss cantonal school, at the end of which he gained high grades in all subjects except French. He sat for the Matura (university entrance level) exams, and was top of nine candidates, though he was still only 17, easily the youngest candidate. He did not have to retake the Zurich Polytechnic entrance exams again as he had his Matura. He entered the Polytechnic still only 17, a year younger than the normal minimum age.


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Then, nothing!  Other than expanding on other scientists theories, and coming up with a few out-there star-treck theories of his own... from 1905 to 1930 he just rewrote his same old patent-office relativity theory,(paraphrased it a few times)...expanded on someone else's discovery in 1921 then settled into scientific celebritism.


I've already told you that that is just ignorant nonsense.


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He won a noble prize for his contributory services to theoretical Physics, this and his contributory services to "photoelectric effect", which had already been discovered by someone else , all he did was spit and polish it.


Ignorant nonsense again.


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And even then, he only won the Nobel Prize in 1922, after the selection panel in 1921 decided none of the nominations (including his) met their criteria, as outlined in the will of Alfred Nobel.


Yet more ignorant nonsense.


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I think he had incredibly pushy parents, who just wouldn't accept the fact that their 34 year old son required velcro ties on his built-up sneakers...


His father died before he published the 1905 papers!

Time to give up. Exchanges with someone who knows zilch about the subject she is pontificating about are not very profitable.

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:16am
You are getting a little carried away with the freemasonry there.

Boys will be boys, they all have their toys, clubs, and secret men's business.

Did you not have a secret club/cubby house when you were a kid, and a secret handshake or password to get in?

It was just what intellectual men did back then, was a social thing and made them feel truly enlightened.

Joining these intellectual clubs was more or less a right of passage among certain circles in western society, unless you were devoutly religious in which case you went to church instead. I don't think Einstein was a practising Jew, possibly Kabbalah, the mystical more rebellious alternative type....new age kinda thingy.

If you refer to the 'secret doctrine' thread I made, and go to the links, you will see there was a bit of a spiritual awakening going on at this time, mysticism was being extracted from your more traditional religions and jumbled up together, it was an era of spiritual awakening ...people were getting bored with traditional doctrines, and it was all very exciting to think outside the box, and be alternative.

Practising strange mystic religions and rituals, added another dimension to their clock-work lives, again, they didn't have TV's back then.

Anything to get away from their wives I think....

;D Escapism perhaps, from their mentally gruelling professions?

Honestly it's the light, you take this masonic stuff too seriously, it's not what you think.

:)





Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:21am
Physics, I have spoken the truth, (velcro sneakers aside)...look, do you want a reference list, I'll happily oblige.

....  Ok, he was obviously bright, albeit mad,  but I don't think he was all he was cracked up to be... based on what I have read.

How about we swap a few links, and call a truce?

:) Agree to disagree without insulting one another?




Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:23am
you may believe what you wish mellie,

i have a different perspective and observe your deliberations

as they are yours are they not?

and so it is i observe you as divine and sacred yes

you have a brain and use this to your abilities,this is not incorrect

so be it

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:25am
i do not attack others for individual perspective because

that is the only thing that is real for you,your perspective..

why should one attack another for a different interpretation?

this is not my way if it is anothers' way then so be it

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by physicist on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:27am
This ridiculous stuff about Einstein supposedly being a Freemason. Do those who posted on this believe everything they read on the internet?


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Joining these intellectual clubs was more or less a right of passage among certain circles in western society, unless you were devoutly religious in which case you went to church instead. I don't think Einstein was a practising Jew, possibly Kabbalah, the mystical more rebellious alternative type....new age kinda thingy.


Einstein was not a Freemason nor a practising Jew (Kabbalah or otherwise!) and certainly not "new age kinda thing". He was a secular humanist who had a reverence for the nature of the universe that left him in awe, so much so that he saw it as equivalent to a religious experience.

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:34am
yes i believe he recanted his satanic ways in much the

same way as nostradamus did on his death bed.

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:41am
Physics, ...

One doesn't need to be a scientist to determine whether or not someone is being completely honest...this or realise when things don't quite add up.  

Just as an individual doesn't need to be a politician to determine whether or not our politicians are being entirely honest either.

I am not the first person to have questioned Einstein's nobility, in fact, among some scientific circles, he's a standing joke.

We are each entitled to our opinions, it's just so many things don't quite add up with Einstein.


And I'm not just referring to his theories.

I'm talking about his rather odd life....  from start to finish.

::).....  He was probably a good teacher, which is what he set out to be....  Even if he couldn't get a job after having completed his diploma, hence he ended up at the patent office.i



Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by physicist on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:47am

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Physics, I have spoken the truth...


I've just completely demolished what you wrote about the problems Einstein had "trying to get into University", and you write "I have spoken the truth"!


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Physics, I have spoken the truth, (velcro sneakers aside)...look, do you want a reference list, I'll happily oblige.

....  Ok, he was obviously bright, albeit mad,  but I don't think he was all he was cracked up to be... based on what I have read.

How about we swap a few links, and call a truce?


mellie: I have researched virtually everything in the literature and on the internet on the kind of things you've been asserting for about four years. Being a physicist, I also have a knowledge of the science involved, and have spent a great deal of time on Einstein's biography. I know from what you have posted that what you think you have learned about Einstein from the sources you allude to bears little relation to reality. Life's too short for me to rebut the stuff that is evidently in these sources: a straightforward single assertion, however erroneous, sometimes takes several paragraphs (including reference citations of original documents) to refute. I already know from your posts what kind of links you are referring to. There's almost no limit to the erroneous "facts" out there on the internet, asserted with sublime confidence even when it is nonsense written by people with virtually no knowledge of the subject (or who have a specific agenda, like Bjerknes).

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:53am
mellie: I have researched virtually everything in the literature and on the internet on the kind of things you've been asserting for about four years. Being a physicist, I also have a knowledge of the science involved

___________

this is interesting

what say you of magnetic energy

tesla energy

zero point energy?

i choose not to attack another rather i would share what i know with

grace

and not attack another which you may seek to enlighten

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:53am
I don't believe you are a physicist.

8-)...

...  Look, I have told you the truth, you just don't want to read it.

You want your Einstein to be the genius, you think he is, and that's fine, it's just I beg to differ, OK

I have offered to supply you with links to credible sources, you just aren't interested.

Look, if his theory of 'special' relativity constitutes for him having slept with 'special' relatives, then yes, I believe he mastered this formula when he married his first cousin.

:)




Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:55am
mr physicist

did you know that the earth is hollow?


Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by muso on Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:00am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 3:49pm:
Oh wow....

That's JUST GOLD...

Even under the "It_is_the_Light" scale.....


pssst - I'm not really a Freemason  :D although I did attend the start of a ceremony once. They didn't let me stay for the main event, and I went to the pub afterwards. The Freemasons caught up with me later on and they all bought me a drink. (The bastards) Rusty nails! It was a Freemason plot I tell you.

I woke up around dusk the next day wondering why the sun was going down instead of rising.

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:02am

muso wrote on Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:00am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 3:49pm:
Oh wow....

That's JUST GOLD...

Even under the "It_is_the_Light" scale.....


pssst - I'm not really a Freemason  :D


shhh...neither am I....

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by muso on Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:03am

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:55am:
mr physicist

did you know that the earth is hollow?


I know of two crania that are hollow.

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:04am
hey its not a witch hunt

there are good and bad yes

however

which freemasons are in control of your planet through hoodwink hmm?

wars famine looting of humanities soveriegn rights on this planet

of which i am one counted among 144,000 sovereign to this

dear mother earth arch angels

we are here,and we are not going anywhere rather

these despots will soon be dissolved and incarnate to another

planet more of their desires -:)

so be it

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:07am
i no longer have the left right brain paradigm

they have merged into ONE linking up with the crown chakra

and pineal glands making a sacred cross contruct of equistant nature

this is your evoloution if you have the care yes

many un altered humans have this capability

however

those that choose greed self loathing and hate

these shall be delivered unto them in spades...

karma is a bitch

and so it is

namaste

you are all LOVED beyond measurement

-:)

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:09am
ssst - I'm not really a Freemason   although I did attend the start of a ceremony once. They didn't let me stay for the main event, and I went to the pub afterwards. The Freemasons caught up with me later on and they all bought me a drink. (The bastards) Rusty nails! It was a Freemason plot I tell you.

I woke up around dusk the next day wondering why the sun was going down instead of rising.

______________

when you woke up

was your arse leaking?


Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by physicist on Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:11am
mellie wrote

Quote:
I don't believe you are a physicist.


I'm beginning to think this is some kind of parallel universe. :-)

In the right hand draw of the desk on which I am typing is my university degree in physics. But by all means believe what you want to believe -- you do that about everything else to do with Einstein.

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by physicist on Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:19am
I wrote: "I have researched virtually everything in the literature and on the internet on the kind of things you've been asserting for about four years."


Quote:
this is interesting

what say you of magnetic energy

tesla energy

zero point energy?


None of those topics is directly to do with the kinds of things mellie has been asserted about Einstein. If you're going beyond what I was referring to, why stop at those topics. Let's have another dozen or so scientific topics that I haven't covered.

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:22am
None of those topics is directly to do with the kinds of things mellie has been asserted about Einstein. If you're going beyond what I was referring to, why stop at those topics. Let's have another dozen or so scientific topics that I haven't covered.

__________

a simple answer would have sufficed,

i see you are deceptive i do not judge,mearly observe hoodwinkery

mister/missus new poster

so be it

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by physicist on Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:23am

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I have offered to supply you with links to credible sources, you just aren't interested.

mellie: By all means post here links, or the URLs, of a couple of your "credible sources". So please do so.

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:23am
further i have seen this writing style before under a different

name one has used before

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by physicist on Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:40am

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None of those topics is directly to do with the kinds of things mellie has been asserted about Einstein. If you're going beyond what I was referring to, why stop at those topics. Let's have another dozen or so scientific topics that I haven't covered.

__________

a simple answer would have sufficed,


How can one give a simple "answer" (whatever that means here) to any of those complex topics?: magnetic energy, tesla energy, zero point energy.

The topic of discussion is Einstein and various assertions about him.  

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by muso on Oct 19th, 2010 at 9:15am

physicist wrote on Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:40am:

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None of those topics is directly to do with the kinds of things mellie has been asserted about Einstein. If you're going beyond what I was referring to, why stop at those topics. Let's have another dozen or so scientific topics that I haven't covered.

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a simple answer would have sufficed,


How can one give a simple "answer" (whatever that means here) to any of those complex topics?: magnetic energy, tesla energy, zero point energy.

The topic of discussion is Einstein and various assertions about him.  


You're wasting your time with these two geniuses.  ;D

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by muso on Oct 19th, 2010 at 9:16am

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:09am:
ssst - I'm not really a Freemason   although I did attend the start of a ceremony once. They didn't let me stay for the main event, and I went to the pub afterwards. The Freemasons caught up with me later on and they all bought me a drink. (The bastards) Rusty nails! It was a Freemason plot I tell you.

I woke up around dusk the next day wondering why the sun was going down instead of rising.

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when you woke up

was your arse leaking?


Very funny. My girlfriend was with me all that time. She's now my wife.  

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 21st, 2010 at 7:45am

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:04am:
hey its not a witch hunt

there are good and bad yes

however

which freemasons are in control of your planet through hoodwink hmm?

wars famine looting of humanities soveriegn rights on this planet

of which i am one counted among 144,000 sovereign to this

dear mother earth arch angels

we are here,and we are not going anywhere rather

these despots will soon be dissolved and incarnate to another

planet more of their desires -:)

so be it


The Freemasons bear the seeds to 7 truths, clearly what you have missed here my friend is that there were mystical-scientific belief systems for the elite and intellectual masters of our society, (Those capable of deciphering the true meaning of 7) ...spanning across 7 basic belief systems/tribes, and 7 less sacred texts for the minions, drones....  still current orthodox today and still bearing seeds of falsehoods being taught to those still willing, and less capable to this very day.

8-)



Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 21st, 2010 at 8:03am
Anyway, I will jump back on tonight or tomorrow some time, I have been busy with assignments and exams lately (we have to go to main campus to sit exams and I have another tomorrow), so when I get a chance, I'll go into more detail about the above, but really, it's more or less leisure reading for me at present, as I cant afford to be distracted ... not even by something as interesting as this  so...


Cheers, and have a great day.

:)




Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by Jasignature on Oct 21st, 2010 at 9:22am
I kinda see what Mellie is getting at, even if Physicist is giving her a real good run for her money.

IDEO: world's greatest Innovation Company states that 'no great idea' is formed and has been formed by a solitary person. It has always been a group effort.
I think Newton or Edison were two such people who (had at least x50 people under their belt working to make them famous) were like the Lead Singer's of a Rock Band, the 'public figure' or spokesperson if you like.
Even Jacques Cousteau didn't invent the Aqualung alone.
So I think Mellie is right to some degree - Einstein wasn't as 'Genius' as the public are led to believe. He has become an 'Image' of intelligence on behalf of the Scientific Community and it is his image that will last longer than any of his 'Theories'. Yes, I too would doubt someone who worked in a Patents Office (like, "Der" ::)) but this is also a common practice.
The Australian Govt bans, confiscates any article discovered or retrieved from ShipWrecks by Divers - by Law! Ben Cropp is a famous example of having discovered over 76 Wrecks around OZ, placed a lot of Articles in a 'Free' Museum to the Public which was also his home at Port Douglas. QLD Govt kick him out and box all the 'goodies' which were mostly sold overseas. As were some 'donated' Dutch Coins found from a Wreck in Western Australia ...even the Dutch Govt are asking the Museum Curators "Dude - where's our Coins?".
Such 'obvious' behaviour just leaves the head shaking ::), just like mine did, when as a young fella, I submitted a good design (although basic) to Harold Scruby of Ausflag. Later I saw something 'similar' appear via the Ausflag establishment and its 'handful' of "who you know" Artists. Lesson learnt.

Einstein was much the same. He was the 'goto' man for many others and under him they were more or less subjected to compromise their efforts, much like Lady GaGa had to do for many a Musician/Singer until she finally got self recognition. Einstein just rode the waves of input from others ...but thats how it is done over there in the USA.
Sure it may have a strong "Jewish" bias about it and we have seen that the Jews have dominated a certain level of USA culture for many decades in many industries. It was almost as if the Media was just a blatant Jewish medium that highlighted any Jewish achievement.
Am I Anti-Semite? Well I ain't gonna be bullied into not expressing an opinion, especially here upon the Internet. ;) I think Anti-Semiticism is mostly aimed at Jewish people who hold onto 'achievements' due to bloodline ...but I think that is the same for anyone. I'm Anti-Prince William: Not only has he become Royalty because of Bloodline (and male bloodline is more meaningless than female bloodline) rather that 'Character', but he seems to embody the Cultural ways of the USA rather than Europe ...but I guess thats something the UK has to come to grips with ;). I don't think he is the TRUE KING of the UK - he is just a product of USA popularity and bias. But we know the UK fears its FRANKENSTEIN (USA) more than its fellow Europeans currently.

Anyway, I think Einstein was more an Opportunist, as they say and along with that Oppenheimer guy - he obliterated the citizens of Hiroshima & Nagasaki ---> Atom Bombs= not a very smart invention. :(

Quick everyone - send me your ideas and I will bring them to the light
...under my name ;). Like I said, this has always been the common practice in America and if the Jews hold the 'selling point', well thats that I guess.
PS: Why is it that TV only promotes Raven haired (pale skinned), Brunnette haired (light skinned), Black and Yellow men ...never Blonde (white skinned) men, unless promoted as 'Gay' and Ranga (fair-skinned) men, unless promoted as Redneck and Brown men, unless promoted as Terrorists and Green (olive skinned) men unless promoted as Drug trafficking Reptillian shape shifters ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by Jasignature on Oct 22nd, 2010 at 9:46pm
How come I'm always the 'last say' on Topics?
Do I kill off the conversation or something?
I'm getting a bit paranoid.
:-?

Title: Re: Geniuses or Liars, fact or theory
Post by mellie on Oct 23rd, 2010 at 6:48am

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Oct 22nd, 2010 at 9:46pm:
How come I'm always the 'last say' on Topics?
Do I kill off the conversation or something?
I'm getting a bit paranoid.
:-?


No, you don't kill the topic as such, though you do have a knack of weighing them up ....

Cant argue with that, ;)

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