Tonny Abot failed. So when a looser Abbot is going to be replaced with more decent man Mr. Malcolm Turnbull.
I've heard many people telling me: "If Mr. Turnbull was opposition leader I would vote for him".

athos wrote on Sep 7^th, 2010 at 4:54pm:

Tonny Abot failed. So when a looser Abbot is going to be replaced with more decent man Mr. Malcolm Turnbull. I've heard many people were telling me: "If Mr. Turnbull was opposition leader I would vote for him".

Abbott took 12 seats from one of the most popular governments in living memory.

He also stopped their ETS which was the beginning of the end.

Turnbull was also extremely unpopular.

My bet is Joe Hockey will be leader at the next election, and Abbott one of his key supporters.

I think he should stay.
I believe if he stays and is a strong opposition leader who keeps to Australia's best interests, he will have a good chance of being PM in 2013.

athos wrote on Sep 7^th, 2010 at 4:54pm:

Tonny Abot failed. So when a looser Abbot is going to be replaced with more decent man Mr. Malcolm Turnbull. I've heard many people were telling me: "If Mr. Turnbull was opposition leader I would vote for him".

I've never heard anyone say that about Turbull, but I've heard a few people say they'd vote for Hockey.

Actually, I reckon that Joe Jockstrap's performance was very poor throughout these post-election negotiations...

He may have blown his chances of ever rising to the head job...

Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2010 at 4:58pm:

I think he should stay. I believe if he stays and is a strong opposition leader who keeps to Australia's best interests, he will have a good chance of being PM in 2013.

I think he should stay long enough to destroy the ALP even further, then install Hockey as leader in time.  He is more friendly, and Abbott will do enough damage to the ALP in the mean time that Hockey will really enjoy the next election.

Its in the best interests the ALP go for 3 years.  If they couldnt do anything in three years with a clear majority, the next three is gonna be a lot of nothing.

Lets see, mining tax wont happen, already canned her citizens assembly, ETS isnt on the table, gay marriage is a no, oh this could go on forever.

athos wrote on Sep 7^th, 2010 at 4:54pm:

I've heard many people were telling me

;D ;D ;D

athos wrote on Sep 7^th, 2010 at 4:54pm:

Tonny Abot failed. So when a looser Abbot is going to be replaced with more decent man Mr. Malcolm Turnbull. I've heard many people were telling me: "If Mr. Turnbull was opposition leader I would vote for him".

You are right to be scared of Abbott as opposition leader, considering what he did to Labor in the course of the election

Tony Abbott is safe for a year, 18 months—did narrow, he will say, the huge gap there was 18 months ago between the two main parties.

But he will be hopeless at long term working in such a narrowly divided HoR and with Green BoP. He won’t have the staying power. Hope they re-install Turnbull.

Re: "So when Abbot is going to be sacked?"


A hell of a long time AFTER Dillard gets stabbed in the back by Bill Shortarse!

Abbott has done very well during this election and deserves to remain the opposition leader.....Abbott has shown he has matured as a politician during the election and he deserves a chance to keep the pressure on Labor.....The Liberal party have a defined brand with Abbott as leader.....at last we will see a defined right vs left in Australian politics!!!

:)

Equitist wrote on Sep 7^th, 2010 at 5:02pm:

Actually, I reckon that Joe Jockstrap's performance was very poor throughout these post-election negotiations... He may have blown his chances of ever rising to the head job...

I can see your inyouendo Equatist!

... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2010 at 5:00pm:

athos wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 4:54pm: Tonny Abot failed. So when a looser Abbot is going to be replaced with more decent man Mr. Malcolm Turnbull. I've heard many people telling me: "If Mr. Turnbull was opposition leader I would vote for him". I've never heard anyone say that about Turbull, but I've heard a few people say they'd vote for Hockey.

Than you better bring John Coward back.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Given that Abbott won the election but was denied govt by 2 morons I cant see him being replaced any time soon. Putting in the performance he has wil guarantee him a long stay in the top job.

The "mad-monk" had his chance, but it wasn't to be. I give him 12 - 18 months, before he is replaced up a fresh face.

I would say Julie Bishop has more to worry about, because the only thing she is good for is being abbotts parrot ans spewing venom at any opportunity.  Vile woman.

labor is the one that could well get sacked here, by the Governor General.
These people put one foot wrong and they're gone.
Most people in this country don't want them there, that is the vote.
They are there on sufferance, so they don't want to get too arrogant.

Tone won’t be able to keep running out of his own pressers like he did during the election campaign, and the type of Leadership needed in the new Parliament will be his undoing.

Hockey — no way will he succeed Tone, performed very poorly, depressed I reckon
Robb — Mr Mogadon, did carry the campaign but made a colossal ballsup of the costings, a charisma free zone (like Crean was.) Clinically depressed, even more now.

Chris Pyne for leader late 2011?

there's a big difference between speculating and knowing what you're talking about.
Turnbull may become liberal leader, but Abbott won't be "sacked", he's been very successful against labor, and the majority of people have voted for the coalition under his leadership.

I don't think you have much of an idea of how things work. In the real world. Labor is the party that sacks its own prime ministers, and then nearly loses government. Don't forget that will you. the person who sacked the labor prime minister is now the prime minister. Proud of that are you?

The ALP`s pathetic performance in the recent election can, for the most part, be put down to their own incompetence, and Tony Abbott`s excellent performance.

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I think he should stay long enough to destroy the ALP even further

LOL lol lol Yea Abbott destroyed the ALP sooooooooooooooooo bad that the ALP are now the government and Abbott is now the opposition leader, LOL lol lol, you Lib loners crack me up, please keep it up, I love reading your dummy spits, what a bunch of poor sportsman you lot would be.

athos wrote on Sep 7^th, 2010 at 4:54pm:

Tonny Abot failed. So when a looser Abbot is going to be replaced with more decent man Mr. Malcolm Turnbull. I've heard many people were telling me: "If Mr. Turnbull was opposition leader I would vote for him".

I also heard similar sentiments expressed Athos, so on that basis it is easy to say that IF Turnbull had been leader, that would have got them across the line.

I think that is a naive and simplistic argument to make though, because it ignores the fact that it was Abbott, and not Turnbull, who totally reversed the coalitions slide into insignificance.
Under Turnbull, they were considered as electorally without hope, and Abbott campaigned doggedly, and determinedly, and with an unswerving focus on the mismanagement message, he very nearly won the election, so Abbott deserves due credit for achieving that result.

I agree with most, that unless there is an election in the near future, then Tony Abbott will not lead the Libs to the next election, and he will be replaced with a more moderate, popular leader, if they have any sense.

The thing is that the Libs have a terrible record in regard to choosing leaders, and usually pass over the best men for the job, in favour of people who are less worthy, so if they do that again we may even see Kwissy Pyne as leader, now wouldn't that be fun?  ;D ;D ;D

I think that is a naive and simplistic argument to make though, because it ignores the fact that it was Abbott, and not Turnbull, who totally reversed the coalitions slide into insignificance.

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The MORE I read and research the more one sees it isnt Abbott thats bring his party into significance. He has Mining magnates  behind him . Those whom have invested interests . Powerful Investment interest. They  have  brought down anyone that stood for the ETS and now The Mining Tax..both policies that doesn't suit the mining sector for starters. They influenece the Murdock press because of the friendship of the elite in the 'right spot'.

I can not understand  anyone NOT question  this at least as One concern ?

mozzaok wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 8:27am:

athos wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 4:54pm: Tonny Abot failed. So when a looser Abbot is going to be replaced with more decent man Mr. Malcolm Turnbull. I've heard many people were telling me: "If Mr. Turnbull was opposition leader I would vote for him". I also heard similar sentiments expressed Athos, so on that basis it is easy to say that IF Turnbull had been leader, that would have got them across the line. I think that is a naive and simplistic argument to make though, because it ignores the fact that it was Abbott, and not Turnbull, who totally reversed the coalitions slide into insignificance. Under Turnbull, they were considered as electorally without hope, and Abbott campaigned doggedly, and determinedly, and with an unswerving focus on the mismanagement message, he very nearly won the election, so Abbott deserves due credit for achieving that result. I agree with most, that unless there is an election in the near future, then Tony Abbott will not lead the Libs to the next election, and he will be replaced with a more moderate, popular leader, if they have any sense. The thing is that the Libs have a terrible record in regard to choosing leaders, and usually pass over the best men for the job, in favour of people who are less worthy, so if they do that again we may even see Kwissy Pyne as leader, now wouldn't that be fun?  ;D ;D ;D

I've heard that sprouted alot around here & elsewhere.
What it fails to take into account is that Kevin Rudd was still flying high in the polls & pushing for an ETS.
Tony didn't reverse the coalitions fortunes to the extent his supporters here like to trumpet, Labor screwed theirs.
If Turnbull had of become leader either after Labor decided the ETS was too hard or Rudd was knifed he would have won with at least a 10 seat majority.
Kudos to Mitchin & Co for having the foresight to risk putting Turnbull as leader when they did so to rob him of the chance of winning an election.
It was a extraordinary Machiavelian play to run with but it worked thanks to 1 sick MP.Anyone checked her bank account, or perhaps we should watch this space for the plum promotion.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 9:03am:

mozzaok wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 8:27am: athos wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 4:54pm: Tonny Abot failed. So when a looser Abbot is going to be replaced with more decent man Mr. Malcolm Turnbull. I've heard many people were telling me: "If Mr. Turnbull was opposition leader I would vote for him". I also heard similar sentiments expressed Athos, so on that basis it is easy to say that IF Turnbull had been leader, that would have got them across the line. I think that is a naive and simplistic argument to make though, because it ignores the fact that it was Abbott, and not Turnbull, who totally reversed the coalitions slide into insignificance. Under Turnbull, they were considered as electorally without hope, and Abbott campaigned doggedly, and determinedly, and with an unswerving focus on the mismanagement message, he very nearly won the election, so Abbott deserves due credit for achieving that result. I agree with most, that unless there is an election in the near future, then Tony Abbott will not lead the Libs to the next election, and he will be replaced with a more moderate, popular leader, if they have any sense. The thing is that the Libs have a terrible record in regard to choosing leaders, and usually pass over the best men for the job, in favour of people who are less worthy, so if they do that again we may even see Kwissy Pyne as leader, now wouldn't that be fun?  ;D ;D ;D I've heard that sprouted alot around here & elsewhere. What it fails to take into account is that Kevin Rudd was still flying high in the polls & pushing for an ETS. Tony didn't reverse the coalitions fortunes to the extent his supporters here like to trumpet, Labor screwed theirs. If Turnbull had of become leader either after Labor decided the ETS was too hard or Rudd was knifed he would have won with at least a 10 seat majority. Kudos to Mitchin & Co for having the foresight to risk putting Turnbull as leader when they did so to rob him of the chance of winning an election. It was a extraordinary Machiavelian play to run with but it worked thanks to 1 sick MP.Anyone checked her bank account, or perhaps we should watch this space for the plum promotion.

What you seem to be missing Smithy is it was Abbotts decision to not back the ETS which lead to the ALP's massive landslide in the polls.

Had Turnbull still been leader and given Rudd his ETS, he would be a second term PM with a 20 seat majority in the house easily.

Not backing the ETS was the turning point for the Coalition.

skippy. wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 8:26am:

Quote: I think he should stay long enough to destroy the ALP even further LOL lol lol Yea Abbott destroyed the ALP sooooooooooooooooo bad that the ALP are now the government and Abbott is now the opposition leader, LOL lol lol, you Lib loners crack me up, please keep it up, I love reading your dummy spits, what a bunch of poor sportsman you lot would be.

Mate, the ALP hold 72 seats and the Libs 73.

Abbott took 12 seats from the ALP.  Id say he did his job splenditly.

culldav wrote on Sep 7^th, 2010 at 10:20pm:

The "mad-monk" had his chance, but it wasn't to be. I give him 12 - 18 months, before he is replaced up a fresh face. I would say Julie Bishop has more to worry about, because the only thing she is good for is being abbotts parrot ans spewing venom at any opportunity.  Vile woman.

Ha, ha, ha, This really a good one.

You mean Failed Jesuit Monk.

mozzaok wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 8:27am:

athos wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 4:54pm: Tonny Abot failed. So when a looser Abbot is going to be replaced with more decent man Mr. Malcolm Turnbull. I've heard many people were telling me: "If Mr. Turnbull was opposition leader I would vote for him". I also heard similar sentiments expressed Athos, so on that basis it is easy to say that IF Turnbull had been leader, that would have got them across the line. I think that is a naive and simplistic argument to make though, because it ignores the fact that it was Abbott, and not Turnbull, who totally reversed the coalitions slide into insignificance. Under Turnbull, they were considered as electorally without hope, and Abbott campaigned doggedly, and determinedly, and with an unswerving focus on the mismanagement message, he very nearly won the election, so Abbott deserves due credit for achieving that result. I agree with most, that unless there is an election in the near future, then Tony Abbott will not lead the Libs to the next election, and he will be replaced with a more moderate, popular leader, if they have any sense. The thing is that the Libs have a terrible record in regard to choosing leaders, and usually pass over the best men for the job, in favour of people who are less worthy, so if they do that again we may even see Kwissy Pyne as leader, now wouldn't that be fun?  ;D ;D ;D

I don't know but Mr. Turnbull looks much more decent man, even I would say a nobleman, in comparison with Jesuit crusader Tony Abbot and his Middle Eastern gunman Joe Hockey.

Verge wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 9:49am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 9:03am: mozzaok wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 8:27am: athos wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 4:54pm: Tonny Abot failed. So when a looser Abbot is going to be replaced with more decent man Mr. Malcolm Turnbull. I've heard many people were telling me: "If Mr. Turnbull was opposition leader I would vote for him". I also heard similar sentiments expressed Athos, so on that basis it is easy to say that IF Turnbull had been leader, that would have got them across the line. I think that is a naive and simplistic argument to make though, because it ignores the fact that it was Abbott, and not Turnbull, who totally reversed the coalitions slide into insignificance. Under Turnbull, they were considered as electorally without hope, and Abbott campaigned doggedly, and determinedly, and with an unswerving focus on the mismanagement message, he very nearly won the election, so Abbott deserves due credit for achieving that result. I agree with most, that unless there is an election in the near future, then Tony Abbott will not lead the Libs to the next election, and he will be replaced with a more moderate, popular leader, if they have any sense. The thing is that the Libs have a terrible record in regard to choosing leaders, and usually pass over the best men for the job, in favour of people who are less worthy, so if they do that again we may even see Kwissy Pyne as leader, now wouldn't that be fun?  ;D ;D ;D I've heard that sprouted alot around here & elsewhere. What it fails to take into account is that Kevin Rudd was still flying high in the polls & pushing for an ETS. Tony didn't reverse the coalitions fortunes to the extent his supporters here like to trumpet, Labor screwed theirs. If Turnbull had of become leader either after Labor decided the ETS was too hard or Rudd was knifed he would have won with at least a 10 seat majority. Kudos to Mitchin & Co for having the foresight to risk putting Turnbull as leader when they did so to rob him of the chance of winning an election. It was a extraordinary Machiavelian play to run with but it worked thanks to 1 sick MP.Anyone checked her bank account, or perhaps we should watch this space for the plum promotion. What you seem to be missing Smithy is it was Abbotts decision to not back the ETS which lead to the ALP's massive landslide in the polls. Had Turnbull still been leader and given Rudd his ETS, he would be a second term PM with a 20 seat majority in the house easily. Not backing the ETS was the turning point for the Coalition.

Yep totally agree with you verge, what you have missed or I haven't made clear enough was the play by Mitchen etc.
They let Turnbull lead when he did, then staged a coup, killing 3 birds with 1 stone(Rudd/Turnbull/ETS).
It will go down as one of the ballsiest plays in Australian political history,
so many things could have gone wrong:
Turnbull could have won the spill(hence my reference to the 1 absent MP)
Rudd could have called a DD
The Greens could have had a last minute change of heart & backed the ETS.

Verge wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 9:52am:

skippy. wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 8:26am: Quote: I think he should stay long enough to destroy the ALP even further LOL lol lol Yea Abbott destroyed the ALP sooooooooooooooooo bad that the ALP are now the government and Abbott is now the opposition leader, LOL lol lol, you Lib loners crack me up, please keep it up, I love reading your dummy spits, what a bunch of poor sportsman you lot would be. Mate, the ALP hold 72 seats and the Libs 73. Abbott took 12 seats from the ALP.  Id say he did his job splenditly.

Maybe Kevin Rudd did it.

shampain socialist wrote on Sep 7^th, 2010 at 10:48pm:

Turnbull may become liberal leader, but Abbott won't be "sacked", he's been very successful against labor, and the majority of people have voted for the coalition under his leadership.

Of course Abbott won't be sacked. He has done an excellent job since taking over the leadership, but he may very well stand down of his own volition.

To be leader of a major party - you have to give 100% of yourself and Abbott has a lot of other interests that he might just prefer to devote his time to.

mantra wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 10:21am:

shampain socialist wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 10:48pm: Turnbull may become liberal leader, but Abbott won't be "sacked", he's been very successful against labor, and the majority of people have voted for the coalition under his leadership. Of course Abbott won't be sacked. He has done an excellent job since taking over the leadership, but he may very well stand down of his own volition. To be leader of a major party - you have to give 100% of yourself and Abbott has a lot of other interests that he might just prefer to devote his time to.

I personally would like to see him turn into a real junk yard dog to further undermine the ALP at every opportunity, then hand over of his own accord to the more friendly version in Hockey.

With such a slim majority held by the ALP, Abbott can quite easily inflict more pain than he already has on the ALP's ability to govern.  Espically since they wont be able to delieve many of the promises they made during the election.

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I personally would like to see him turn into a real junk yard dog to further undermine the ALP at every opportunity, then hand over of his own accord to the more friendly version in Hockey. With such a slim majority held by the ALP, Abbott can quite easily inflict more pain than he already has on the ALP's ability to govern.  Espically since they wont be able to delieve many of the promises they made during the election.

Yes I'm sure a lot of you righties would love to see that - but it may not happen. Abbott looked so tranquil last night that he may not want to return to being an outspoken bully boy.

Perhaps after all the praying he's done over the last few weeks - he found God again - he certainly looks like a man at peace with himself. That's a new look for Abbott and a good one.