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Title: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by sprintcyclist on Sep 5th, 2010 at 11:01pm Quote:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/why-im-the-one-to-govern/story-e6frezz0-1225914207324 |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Imperium on Sep 5th, 2010 at 11:03pm
I don't think he is going to win =(
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Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by longweekend58 on Sep 5th, 2010 at 11:10pm aikmann4 wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 11:03pm:
I remain totally convinced that Abbott wil win. Mad as he is, Katter has major disagreements with virtually the entire labor platform. Windsor, for all his bluff and bad attitude knows that supporting labor wil end his political career. and if he supports labor that govt might only last a few months before a new election. No, while the 3 stooges dont like the coalition they truly hate labor. And remember, the reason they became independants was not because they had center-based political leanings. they became independants because they could not play well with others. And now we are seeing why. They are unreasonable and virtually impossible to deal with. |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Ernie on Sep 6th, 2010 at 6:14am
What are the biggest impediments to Abbott winning?
The NBN Health Abbott's ridiculous refusal to live by the Charter for Budget Honesty (which his party created) without which deception, the coalition would not have got this close to government The shenanigans of Heffernan et al The fact that the senate will be controlled by Labor & the Greens The realistic analysis that Labor have NOT done badly as a government in the larger scheme of things (except insulation and BER) |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by aussiefree2ride on Sep 6th, 2010 at 6:27am Please delete wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 6:14am:
and green loans and the stimulus and the backstabing of K07 and the sly way the PM speaks |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Amadd on Sep 6th, 2010 at 6:33am Quote:
Yep. What would be the point of the independents demanding a treasury audit and then saying,"That's OK, we just want to make sure that you're a liar before we vote for you"? They have to look after their own credibility. |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by sprintcyclist on Sep 6th, 2010 at 8:08am
aussie
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The ETS, nbn costing, copenhagan, stop whales being hunted, grocerywatch, fuelwatch ....... ......... anything they succeed at ?? |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by codswal on Sep 6th, 2010 at 8:14am
tell you what I havent one bit of faith in the three amigos, none whatsoever..and these 3 will be holding the reigns of govt and the Green holding the power in the senate.. how many of us voted for either of them????.. so much for democracy, I think we just killed it.
to watch our govt.. and guess what Labor is still the govt even if it is only in caretaker mode... fawning over these guys that cant even agree amongst themselves.. makes me shake my head in wonder..I am in awe of the fact they dont agree with each other.. yet we expect them to agree with the chosen govt...... if it wasnt so tragic it would be laughable. |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by skippy. on Sep 6th, 2010 at 8:20am Quote:
I cant believe retards like this are entitled to vote. |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by mantra on Sep 6th, 2010 at 8:23am codswal wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 8:14am:
The current governent might be fawning over them - but they aren't threatening them, which unfortunately the Coalition is being an indication of what they will get under an Abbott government. They are being pandered to by Gillard, but isn't that the sensible way rather than bully, harass and intimidate them? People want a sensible leader. |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by pansi1951 on Sep 6th, 2010 at 8:26am
cods<<how many of us voted for either of them????..>>
............................................................................. Anyone that didn't vote for the two major parties or invalid, I guess. This is a fantastic result, at last we have the closest thing to a democracy that we've had for a long long time. The old parties are on the way out at last. |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by sprintcyclist on Sep 6th, 2010 at 8:34am
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julia is rolling over ASAP, as her and dudd have before. Her rolling over is a terrible indication of the sort of pm she might be. abbott's moves have been legal and correct. skippy - due to the biased nature of the modding here, I cannnot reply to your taunts against us rightys. I have been warned about using the term "retard" here, as a few posters have children who are "challenged". But you being a lefty can say whatever you want. |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Ernie on Sep 6th, 2010 at 8:37am
"skippy - due to the biased nature of the modding here, I cannnot reply to your taunts against us rightys."
Then go somewhere else. Easy. I recently had an argument with a mod - it was easier to resolve than any dispute I've EVER had with another poster. |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by skippy. on Sep 6th, 2010 at 8:45am
Sprint when you stop feeling sorry for yourself and stop the constant whining and howling maybe you can move on.
As for using retard as a word, as I said anyone who would say such stupid things as lonersweekend is a true retard, he'd already know it. now when you stop all your bitching you might realise that everyone here is moderated sprint, mozz wont let me call mellie a liar, even though I think she lies in every post she makes, but I'm allowed to say that she doesn't tell the truth, or that she is not honest in her writing, so stop all your bitching and pretending you're hard done by. |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Equitist on Sep 6th, 2010 at 8:59am Surely, Abbott's 'open letter' for the Independents, as quoted in the OP, provides ample evidence of why Abbott lacks the necessary qualities to be PM!? As pointed out on Insiders yesterday, Abbott hasn't figured out who his main audience is. He has continued campaigning, to the lowest common denominator layperson in the electorate, with petty fearmongering and irrelevant emotive arguments; rather than appeal to the intelligent and savvy politicians that the 3 Independents are! Apparently, he hasn't been able to co-erce them directly, so he's trying to incite electoral pressure... Abbott is an habitually-impatient agitator and antagonist - he doesn't get the nuances of pragmatic negotiation and win/win consensus... This is juvenile stuff, which we expect of egocentric school kids - not the mature statesmanship that we demand of our national leaders... It is also a sign of what the Independents could expect from Abbott & Co - regardless of whether or not they choose to facilitate the formation of a Coalition Govt... Ironically, the broader electorate gets this - that is why Abbott has always had such low approval ratings, high disapproval ratings and has never come within cooee of Gillard (nor Rudd) as preferred PM! |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Vanessa on Sep 6th, 2010 at 9:05am aikmann4 wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 11:03pm:
I admit, I am starting to get my hopes up! It is starting to look less likely he will win. |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Dnarever on Sep 6th, 2010 at 9:17am
You could possibly build an argument suggesting that the Liberals may be a superior option in some areas however Tony was always a poor option for the nation’s leadership.
The man who was hidden in the 2007 election campaign because he had been unstable and probably the worst performing minister of that poor performing government. The man on record as having an ultra conservative position way out of step with the community on a huge range of subjects. The man who openly advised us to not believe what he is saying. The guy who was overturned on RU485 by everyone left, right and centre. The fella who cost us millions with his anti abortion advice line which had no impact. Best to govern not even funny my advice in that circumstance : " be afraid very afraid". |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Dnarever on Sep 6th, 2010 at 9:25am longweekend58 wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 11:10pm:
I think you will find that the vast majority of Lib/Nat supporters in his electorate voted for the Nat option. Most of his vote is actually middle to left and for him to support the Liberals would definatly be the end of him politically. He got 71% of the vote including green preferences I doubt that 10 conservative voters would impact that position greatly. |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Ernie on Sep 6th, 2010 at 9:31am
And Windsor has already announced his desire to retire, so I don't think he'd mind overly much if this is his last term
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Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Equitist on Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:19am Here's an extract from Laura Tingle's article: - http://www.afr.com/p/opinion/liars_and_clunkheads_fail_budget_N34GyIaJiG6fPHVUnZ6iXI?hl Quote:
Habitual 'liars and clunkheads' cannot be trusted to run our nation! Forget confected contentions over 'legitimacy' - they have demonstrated zero integrity! Next... |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Equitist on Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:32am Please delete wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 9:31am:
Indeed, he's not a young man - and neither is Katter! Neither are likely to care too much whether or not they are personally re-elected. However, they both have unfinished business in their elecotrates and the next 3 years will give them the opportunity to fulful their original political goals i.e. to create a lasting legacy... Oakeshott is younger and has the potential of a much longer political career ahead of him, should he want it - but he is also facing the once-in-a-career opportunity to implement altruisic changes - and he would have 3 whole years to demonstrate to his electorate why he chose to go one way or the other... Thing is, the rabid rabble that is the Abbott Coalition, have already telegraphed their intention to self-servingly subvert our democratic processes - particularly their agenda force another election... By contrast, the Gillard Labs have demonstrated both the integrity of Statespersonship and a willingness to negotiate to form a stable consensus Minority Govt... The shifty Libs are foolishly making it very difficult for the conservative-leaning Independents to go with them - FACT! |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by sprintcyclist on Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:38am Quote:
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/animosity-may-contort-electors-will-20100905-14vy1.html |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by nichy on Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:48am
Kingmakers could switch sides to break dead heat
By online political correspondent Emma Rodgers Posted 16 minutes ago Key independents say they may be forced to switch their support on which party to back in minority government if it looks as if the numbers will fall in a dead heat. http://www.abc.net.au/news/nsw/ Surely this makes farcical situation even more of a farce, no matter which way it goes. If they believe that one side will be more stable than the other, surely they should not abandon their principles simply to make up numbers. If the don't reach GENUINE consensus then surely it should be back to the Australian people ? |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Equitist on Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:53am Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:38am: Quote:
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/animosity-may-contort-electors-will-20100905-14vy1.html [/quote] Fascinating, that right whingers should now be focusing on the national primary vote in the HoR and the Senate vote in the electorates of the 3 Independents alone... Just goes to show that statistics can be selectively-mixed and manipulated to confect any number of untenable conclusions... Besides, the Libs don't want to form Minority Govt: they want to force us back to the polls - cos they're arrogant and reckless enough to risk an all or nothing win/lose... |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by nichy on Sep 6th, 2010 at 11:00am nichy wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:48am:
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Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by nichy on Sep 6th, 2010 at 11:03am
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State of the Parties 76 seats required for victory 91.8% counted. Updated Mon Sep 6 10:34AM Party % Vote Swing Won Predict Labor 38.0 -5.4 72 Coalition 43.7 +1.6 73 Greens 11.7 +3.9 1 Others 6.6 -0.1 4 |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Equitist on Sep 6th, 2010 at 11:11am LOL...speaking of selectivity...let's re-insert the pieces of this article that SC didn't like: - Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:38am:
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Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Soren on Sep 6th, 2010 at 11:11am
TED MACK: People forget that these three are probably three of the most experienced members of parliament that they are so they didn't come down in the last shower and they certainly don't need any advice from me.
What I suspect that they will do however, I think they will back the Gillard Government. Now that sounds a bit unusual because they are sitting in National Party seats but the point is, if there is a Liberal/National government formed, then that government will do its best to get those three out of office because they think that those seats belong to them, whereas if Labor is in government, they know that they can never win those three seats so they have a vested interest in keeping those three seats, those three independents in power. So I think those independents and their residents will get a lot more money spent on them than they would if there was a National Party government. I think that is probably the logic that they'll follow as well because they didn't come down in the last shower. ... SABRA LANE: Do you care to forecast what will happen for the major party that misses out this week? TED MACK: Well, they will be the most angry Opposition you can get, I would think. SABRA LANE: Will they be out to seek revenge? TED MACK: Of course they will. Of course they will. |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Equitist on Sep 6th, 2010 at 11:21am Soren wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 11:11am:
Yup, the Libs cannot be trusted to act out of good will - regardless of whether the Independents support them - and these savvy Indpendents know it! By contrast, the Independents won't feel threatened by the Labs - and their electorates will doubtless benefit from this once-off 3 year opportunity to secure long-overdue changes in rural and regional Australia... As for the rest of us, we'll hopefully be able to take comfort in the knowledge that the rabid Libs remain in the policy wilderness for a while longer... But, after the initial implosion, would the remnant Libs have enough insight to reflect upon the folly of their history of negative, draconian and divisive politics - and appreciate the patent unsuitability of Abbott at the helm of the Party, much less the nation!? |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Soren on Sep 6th, 2010 at 11:47am Equitist wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 11:21am:
Your parrotting of the same old same old is touching. If by wilderness you mean getting rid of Mr 70% and completely destabilising Labor within the space of 9 months - that's the wilderness for me! The Labor/Green/Independent alliance will be the coup de grace. |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by Verge on Sep 6th, 2010 at 12:07pm
Im far from confident of a coalition government.
I am however confident that the ALP and greens wont be able to work together, and am more confident again that the Greens and the independents really wont be able to work together. Katter is anti mining tax, and will oppose. ALP a pro mining tax and will approve. Greens wants a higher mining tax and will oppose the ALP's. Its gonna be messy. |
Title: Re: Ironman Abbott the best to govern Post by sprintcyclist on Sep 6th, 2010 at 12:27pm the milky bar kid, mr 70% was ok as long as the preteens were screeching "Kev '07" to further inflate his fragile ego. once ironman abbott got there and said "NO", 70%er cried |
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