Could you clarify this please Abu?


freediver wrote on Feb 25^th, 2010 at 7:56pm:

Quote: Sodomy always has and always will be a capital offense under Islam. You know it as well as I do, so why degrade yourself and your pathetic chance at an argument by bringing such tripe? According to my wiki you are wrong. Would you mind clarifying whether this statement or the one in the wiki is the correct version of Islam? I would hate for the wiki to contain any errors.

freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2010 at 7:41pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 25th, 2010 at 9:41pm: Your wiki is a load of [unread] bollocks. But it is right? And you are wrong? Right?

fd, just give up already. Don't waste your time with your pathetic wiki. I very much doubt anyone even reads it. I know you think you're onto some great path of "exposing" Islam, but in reality you're just trying to peddle biased nonsense.

OK, ignore the wiki angle. Can you clarify Islamic law on sodomy for us?

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fd, just give up already. Don't waste your time with your pathetic wiki. I very much doubt anyone even reads it.

Whaa? What's wrong with Wikipedia?
Please don't tell me that you are discounting all infomation provided on wikipedia Abu? If so, you must surely be a candidate for the most ignorant person on the face of this earth.

Anyways, please have a laugh... Read the rules, I'm sure it says somewhere NO LAUGHING IN HERE!!!

Case in point fd,


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Whaa? What's wrong with Wikipedia?

Even your close chums here have no idea about your wiki.  ;D

Just as a matter of interest, freediver, what business is it of yours whether other people accept sodomy or not? Nobody is threatening you because of it, are they?

Freediver, what you do in the privacy of your own bottom is your business.

And what the mullahs do with theirs is their business.

And what the books of Genesis, Leviticus and even Romans have to say about sodomy is their business too. No one's forcing anyone to read it, thank God. And I've never met a mullah who didn't say the same thing.

Mind you, I've never met a mullah, but I've seen that Lebanese one on TV. Is he a mullah or a sheik? I think mullah's are Shi'ites, but I'm hopeless with these things, especially the spelling of Arabic words in English. Hopeless!

Anyway, I say let he who is perfect cast the first stone.

You can't beat Jesus for a good quote - especially a good iconoclastic, pharisee-baiting, anti-dogmatic, anti-fundamentalist and cryptic quote.

It's a pity we ignored most of what he said and went back to the dogmas, but anyway...

Sodomites were illegal in NSW until the 1980s. And in 1680s, they were burned at the stake.

So until the 2080s, happy Mardi Gras.

If we make it past 2012.

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Even your close chums here have no idea about your wiki.   ;D

Again...Whaaa? How can you edit my post and then quote from it?

And where do you get the idea that FD is chummy with me? He's as chummy with me as you are.

Getting back to the wikipedia topic. How about you try this little experiment for yourself: Randomly open up an encyclopedia and put your finger on a topic. Now compare what the encyclopedia states as being fact with wikipedia....how'd you go? Very close no?

Now do the same with the quran and see how much truth it holds.

Amadd you've got no idea what you're on about.

Wiki is a generic term for any kind of website/text structure which uses wiki syntax. It doesn't refer specifically to wikipedia. Get a clue.

Oh sorry, my bad. :D
Yes I see your wiki thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivHwoyIxCxU

fawkes wrote on Feb 27^th, 2010 at 1:34pm:

Just as a matter of interest, freediver, what business is it of yours whether other people accept sodomy or not? Nobody is threatening you because of it, are they?

Not me personally. Sodomy isn't really my thing. But there are still plenty of people in the world getting killed for it, and some people (eg Abu) who would like to introduce that sort of barbarity to Australia.


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Sodomites were illegal in NSW until the 1980s.

An act is not actually illegal if the law is not enforced.

The ozPolitic wiki entry on Islam and Australian values:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values

Abu, you still seem to be ignoring the initial request? Is Sodomy really punishable with death under Islam, or only for married people (ie death for adultery)????

Also, what is Islam's take on trans-sexualism?

freediver wrote on Feb 28^th, 2010 at 8:36pm:

Not me personally. Sodomy isn't really my thing. But there are still plenty of people in the world getting killed for it, and some people (eg Abu) who would like to introduce that sort of barbarity to Australia.

If sodomy is neither of interest to you personally nor a problem, I don't see why Abu's stance on the matter should provoke comment from you in this forum.  Are you one of those who just can't resist telling other people how to run their lives?

I am protecting my own freedom, and that of others. You cannot deny freedom to others without denying it to yourself.

What freedom of others is Abu seeking to curtail?

fawkes wrote on Feb 28^th, 2010 at 9:49pm:

What freedom of others is Abu seeking to curtail?

Just about all of them. Freedom of religion. Freedom of speech. Freedom of dress. Freedom to choose who you have sex with without the government interfering. Plus democracy.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values

Have you considered the possibility that there's no one law on anything in Islam because there's so many different states?

But in case you do get caught in the act, as it were, how would you get the death penalty?

Maybe that sheik in Lakemba could issue a fattwa on you and your partner in crime.

You'd have a defense though: you could say your partner was coming out of the shower, looked like a piece of uncovered meat, and just like the cat, you couldn't resist, dear.

freediver wrote on Feb 28^th, 2010 at 9:56pm:

fawkes wrote on Feb 28th, 2010 at 9:49pm: What freedom of others is Abu seeking to curtail? Just about all of them. Freedom of religion. Freedom of speech. Freedom of dress. Freedom to choose who you have sex with without the government interfering. Plus democracy.

Wow, that's quite a list! But on second thoughts, curtailing those things a bit might be beneficial.

Freedom of religion.  No great loss in my opinion, and certain to reduce a lot of unproved speculation.

Freedom of speech.  We don't have that now.  Just try publishing an analysis of the troubles Israel and Jews have brought upon the world, and see how long you last.

Freedom of dress. I would want more details of the prescribed dress code before forming an opinion about that.

Freedom to choose who you have sex with without the government interfering. There are plenty of people now in gaol who can assure you we don't have that now.

Plus democracy. The system we labour under at present is a sham democracy at best. Perhaps curtailing that so that something better can be introduced might not be a bad thing.

freediver wrote on Feb 28^th, 2010 at 8:36pm:

Abu, you still seem to be ignoring the initial request. Is Sodomy really punishable with death under Islam, or only for married people (ie death for adultery)????

freediver wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2010 at 10:20pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2010 at 8:36pm: Abu, you still seem to be ignoring the initial request. Is Sodomy really punishable with death under Islam, or only for married people (ie death for adultery)????

Come come, my dear. It is perfectly understandable for Mohammedans to stone their fellow sodomites. It keeps the population down.

I mean, you don't want them here, do you?