Abu I'm sure you weren't always this admiring of Osama. At least, you didn't admit to it. Has something changed? Have you become an extremist? Do you still consider yourself a 'mainstream' muslim?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1264808428/6#6


abu_rashid wrote on Jan 31^st, 2010 at 2:13pm:

Comparing that murderous scumbag to someone like OBL is just ridiculous. OBL is a politician, military strategist and freedom fighter. You might not like what he fights for, or even his modus operandi, but to put him on the same level with Milat is just ridiculous.

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Abu I'm sure you weren't always this admiring of Osama.

That's admiration? Come on fd, get real. Anything short of outright rejection of the man on my part would be admiration/support/condoning to those who have given up thinking.


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Has something changed?

Only with you it seems. You've become less discerning when it comes to analysing things.


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Have you become an extremist?

Can't say I have. You are the one who seems to be making extreme judgements here.


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Do you still consider yourself a 'mainstream' muslim?

Yep.

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That's admiration? Come on fd, get real. Anything short of outright rejection of the man on my part would be admiration/support/condoning to those who have given up thinking.

I admire freedom fighters. Don't you? I must admit, I sometimes get you wrong. Perhaps you despise Osama because you consider him a freedom fighter. Do you prefer submission fighters?

My view about him is perfectly summed up by Mr. Michael Scheuer.

If you'd like a better insight, then I suggest you read some of his books.

So I have to read a couple of books to get a 'summary' of your position?

Well you could watch this video I guess, in which he gives a brief summary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUgMHvi5p5g&feature=related

I don't download videos. Perhaps you could find the strength to speak for yourself?

You don't need to download it, I embedded it for you, it's right there, just click play and it'll stream for you, no download necessary. Takes about 3-4 minutes to watch, and really well worth it to see one of the most knowledgeable Americans on OBL speak about him, honestly.

Yes Abu, I know how videos work. I still don't want to download any. It is nothing to do with convenience.

neo-Luddite!

I can't for the life of me imagine why you would not watch it, other than to avoid the implication that my view comes directly from the man who is America's most knowledgeable person about OBL, and who spent years hunting, tracking and studying him, with the best intel available at his disposal.

Anyway there it is. If you're interested feel free to watch, if you're not then we'll end this one here.

I would happily read it. So long as I don't have to buy it in a bookstore and it doesn't take 3 days to get through. I genuinely recommend you figure out how to express your own opinion in your own words. Using someone else's just suggests to everyone that you haven't put much thought into it.

No need to read, just press play above, and 3 minutes later, it'll all be over. Can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink.

Hey FD, at least abu is skirting around your question......he flatly refuses to answer mine.

Back in the days when OBL was a "man of peace"


abu_rashid wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 2:53pm:

fd, your juvenile attempts to associate Islam with Nazism are just pathetic. Hitler was a Western mass murderer, OBL was a Muslim freedom fighter who became a liability to the West after he'd fought off their enemies for them, they are diametric opposites. Only an absolute and utter brainless goon would not be able to see this. Hitler and Nazism are on the same side of the spectrum as you and your democratic nonsense, nowhere near Islam.

Some other interesting threads about Osama:

Osama: make porn, slaughter cruise passengers

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335956453

Osama had 6 wives and porn stash

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1305413516

Osama dead

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1304307981



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That's admiration? Come on fd, get real. Anything short of outright rejection of the man on my part would be admiration/support/condoning to those who have given up thinking.

It looks to me like you admire him Abu. But I'm pretty sure you used to be critical of him. What has changed? Are you merely being more honest now?


abu_rashid wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 7:38pm:

If it's true, which is most certainly not confirmed yet, then it's really not as big an event as some who are celebrating seem to think. Osama the man may pass from this world, but Osama the idea will not. His resistance against the neo-colonialist/corporate establishment of the West will live long beyond his time.

The admin trolling the mods? Oy vey! No wonder this forum is so dysfunctional.