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Message started by freediver on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 7:36pm

Title: the CPRS is a tax
Post by freediver on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 7:36pm
I have heard Rudd's Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme (CPRS) referred to as a carbon tax with an elaborate tax evasion scheme attached. Basically, it is a tax because the price of emissions is capped. If the target is exceeded, you can just buy the permits from the government. I think it is taxed at $20 per ton, which works out to about 5c per litre for petrol - hardly enough to force people into making significant cuts, though it may have more impact on electricity. The trading scheme only comes into play as a way to pay less than the tax, (or capped price) but given that the cap is so low the traded price is likely to reach the cap anyway.

Title: Re: the CPRS is a tax
Post by tallowood on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 11:19pm
3 things are certainly beyond any reasonable doubt about humans.

1 They get born
2 They get taxed
3 They die

Everything else is debatable.

Title: Re: the CPRS is a tax
Post by Happy on Jul 3rd, 2009 at 12:56pm
Electricity charges up 20% - supposedly some funds will go toward renewables,
Water charges up to go toward desalination.
Gas up, not sure why, maybe to cut CO2 emission

So our Global issue starts to cost NSW already, more to come for sure.

Title: Re: the CPRS is a tax
Post by tallowood on Jul 3rd, 2009 at 8:18pm

Happy wrote on Jul 3rd, 2009 at 12:56pm:
Electricity charges up 20% - supposedly some funds will go toward renewables,
Water charges up to go toward desalination.
Gas up, not sure why, maybe to cut CO2 emission

So our Global issue starts to cost NSW already, more to come for sure.



To save on electricity and gas bill I cut more trees for firewood. Of course politicians will be pissed off about loss of revenue but I'm sure they can manage their wage increase no matter what.


Title: Re: the CPRS is a tax
Post by Senexx on Dec 20th, 2009 at 7:56pm
The CPRS is not a tax.  As I have said in the Environment forum, it appears to be a tax because it will push up the price of consumer goods.

It is not a tax but it is like a tax.

Title: Re: the CPRS is a tax
Post by freediver on Dec 23rd, 2009 at 8:43pm
So why is it not a tax?

Title: Re: the CPRS is a tax
Post by Senexx on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 10:29am
Using what I perceive to be the public's understanding of a tax (not the way I would define it)

The purpose of a tax is to raise revenue to be then redistributed for use in any number of ways ranging from defence, education , social welfare, etc.

The CPRS will not raise any revenue (because all income from the permits will be paid out as compensation under the scheme)
Therefore, the CPRS is not a tax.

Title: Re: the CPRS is a tax
Post by freediver on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 2:12pm
It will be paid out to different people, like welfare.

Title: Re: the CPRS is a tax
Post by mozzaok on Jan 4th, 2010 at 9:35am
Do you favour any system in particular to try and promote the reduction of carbon emmissions FD?

Title: Re: the CPRS is a tax
Post by freediver on Jan 4th, 2010 at 7:13pm
I prefer taxes, provided they are revenue neutral.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/green-tax-shift/green-tax-shift.html

Title: Re: the CPRS is a tax
Post by phantomlady on Jul 9th, 2010 at 9:05pm
Is this still relevant or not?
It's still on the front page.    :-/

Just wondering.

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