How does the establishment of Israel differ from Islamic law regarding spoils of war? Under Islam, the victors may take all possessions from the losers, including the land. They may force the losers off the land. They may even take them as slaves. The establishment of Israel appears to mirror the practice of forcing the losers off the land.

And the US rebuilt your whole society with ALL brand new gear !!

I wanna "lose" to them !!!

Yep, because it's in their Torah, as is the captives part.

No, I meant, is it equivalent to the Islamic laws? Was the manner in which the land was settled and the palestinians turfed out in keeping with what Muslims are allowed to do when they win a war?

I didn't mean does Islam allow it for enemies, as the concept of allowing your enemy to do something when they defeat you in war is a bit silly. Though that is also very interesting, if Islam does have a rule for that situation.

Well you'd be best off asking them.

What you're suggesting though seems to be 'good for the goose good for the gander'. If that's the case, then they shouldn't mind us resisting and attempting to regain it also.

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Well you'd be best off asking them.

Asking who? My primary interest is the Islamic law. That's why I'm asking you. Even my interest in the Jewish law part (the bit you brought up) is more about whether Islam would recognise and sanction the laws of Judaism in these situations, not what the actual laws of Judaism are.


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What you're suggesting though seems to be 'good for the goose good for the gander'.

At the moment I'm just trying to establish whether it is good for the goose. Is it? How about instead of trying to jump to someone else's conclusion all the time you let them reach their own conclusion, based on an open dialogue. You spend an inordinate of time responding to the conlusions someone might draw if you gave a certain answer, while not actually indicating whether that is your answer.

freediver wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 3:17pm:

[quote] At the moment I'm just trying to establish whether it is good for the goose. Is it? How about instead of trying to jump to someone else's conclusion all the time you let them reach their own conclusion, based on an open dialogue. You spend an inordinate of time responding to the conlusions someone might draw if you gave a certain answer, while not actually indicating whether that is your answer.

Well put.

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Even my interest in the Jewish law part (the bit you brought up) is more about whether Islam would recognise and sanction the laws of Judaism in these situations, not what the actual laws of Judaism are.

Since the US has a policy of unilateralism when dealing with nations it doesn't consider legitimate, can we understand from this that the US also doesn't mind that other nations who don't consider the US legitimate are justified in taking unilateral action against her? What kind of a ridiculous line of questioning is this??


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At the moment I'm just trying to establish whether it is good for the goose. Is it?

If it's good for one, it'd be good for both, and therefore neither has any legitimate 'right' over the other, except for their ability to assert their dominance, might and hard earned aid dollars over the other... that about sums up the conflict thus far anyway.


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How about instead of trying to jump to someone else's conclusion all the time you let them reach their own conclusion, based on an open dialogue

How about you stop asking loaded questions?

typical nonanswering of questions from a muslim.

how many questions have you asked back ?
How many questions did fd ask?
How many did you answer?
Why do we bother?
Do you think you should be docked posts for not answering questions ?
Did you get the storm last night ?
What sort of image of muslims do you think you are giving to infidels?
What do you think we feel about being called infidels?
Do you have any pets?
Why are you so repressive?
does that stem from your belief?
why don't muslims laugh much?
Do you like being in bondage ?

If it's good for one, it'd be good for both, and therefore neither has any legitimate 'right' over the other, except for their ability to assert their dominance, might and hard earned aid dollars over the other... that about sums up the conflict thus far anyway.

Maybe, but is it 'good for the goose'?

How about you stop asking loaded questions?

I'm just trying to understand Islamic law. I'm a bit hazy on the conditions for taking all the land, the posessions etc. I would like to know more. There is no need to inform me about US government policy, as I am aware of what is going on. What I don't know is what Islamic law is on these issues. It is obviously not identical to other sets of policies.

Abu seems to have avoided the original question and defelcted to the 'evil west' again. Funny that.

Didn't deflect to the evil west at all. You asked how the actions of the Jews differs from Islamic rules of war, and I said they don't because the exact same laws exist in their books.

You just didn't like the fact that your pathetic questions were neutralised.

So Islam does support the taking of everything from the losers - land, buildings, livestock etc included?

No.

My mouth, but your words, sorry.

So what are you saying? Islamic concepts are identical to those of Israel, or those of Judaism?

What are the Islamic rules on spoils of war?

The Jewish and Islamic laws do have many similarities, as we believe they both ultimately have the same source, ie. the Creator.

However, if you'd like to say "you therefore deserve everything you get, since you both believe in doing the same to one another", likewise you must accept that when Palestinians launch suicide bombings etc. I don't think you'd be doing that though.

How about we start with the actual Islamic concepts on spoils of war Abu, rather than a deflection to the consequences of the truth as a means of avoiding the truth? I had hoped that comparing it with Israel might prompt you to give some detail to show how much better than Israel a Caliphate would be. But it seems you avoid a comaprison whenever it doesn't work in your favour. The 'evil west' you blame for all your problems, even in it's most agressive form, still comes up smelling of roses compared to what you would replace it with.

How about we start with slaves. Israel obviously doesn't support the capturing of the Palestinians as slaves. But Islam does tolerate it and would probably create the sort of situations that make it necessary. Right?

Or, how about we just forget Israel if that makes you uncomfortable and you can explain what the Islamic concepts on spoils of war are. You might as well tell the truth about it. It is better than running round after sprint and yadda saying "you are wrong, you are wrong, why? oh you are just wrong, but I can't say why".

As I've told you, the common misconceptions thread details the Islamic rulings regarding both slaves and spoils of war. Read it, then if you still have questions, we can discuss it. The article is based on the rulings of one of the greatest scholars of the 20th. century, and the main reviver for the Caliphate movement.

I've read it. It is useless. It gives everything except a straight answer to the most obvious questions. Maybe it would be useful if you wanted to paly a game of determining what Islamic law is by ruling out everything else it could possibly be.

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2009 at 8:43pm:

I've read it. It is useless. It gives everything except a straight answer to the most obvious questions. Maybe it would be useful if you wanted to paly a game of determining what Islamic law is by ruling out everything else it could possibly be.

FD,

I would propose to anyone, to everyone, that if they want the 'juice' [bare TRUTH] on a particular topic related to ISLAM, that they seek out the advice and views of EX-MUSLIMS.

These are ppl who have grown up to know ISLAM intimately.

And having left [or escaped ISLAM] many of these ppl are happy to expose their views on ISLAM
......[we should judge for ourselves whether what they expose, is the TRUTH].


e.g.

Google,
"slavery in ISLAM" "ex-muslims"
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&ei=wwKRSZj2IoKqsAPm9Mm7Cw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=1&q=%22slavery+in+ISLAM%22+%22ex-muslims%22&spell=1

Thanks for the tip Yadda. If you know any, it would be great to get one on here. Abu would have a much harder time justifying his refusal to give a straight answer with an ex-Muslim around who is happy to tell the truth about Islam. I honestly thought that getting a few Muslims on here would clear the air on what is the truth about Islam and which claims are false. Unfortunately it has only added to the confusion. Which is the way he wants it...

freediver wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 1:19pm:

How does the establishment of Israel differ from Islamic law regarding spoils of war? Under Islam, the victors may take all possessions from the losers, including the land. They may force the losers off the land. They may even take them as slaves. The establishment of Israel appears to mirror the practice of forcing the losers off the land.

Except, the losers forced themselves off the land by attacking the Jews and losing. Sort of a fundamental distinction.

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2009 at 8:43pm:

I've read it. It is useless. It gives everything except a straight answer to the most obvious questions. Maybe it would be useful if you wanted to paly a game of determining what Islamic law is by ruling out everything else it could possibly be.

You really should click on that link I put there for you and read Majidd Khudurri's book.

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Thanks for the tip Yadda. If you know any, it would be great to get one on here.

Although we often hear a lot about these so called ex-Muslims, I very much doubt one will materialise. Sure you get the odd one, like Salman Rushdie, but they're certainly nowhere near as common as the Christians here would have us believe. whilst converts *TO* Islam can be found all over the place. As you're aware most of the Muslims who've ever posted here have been converts.

Then again, they're all in hiding, in fear of their lives right? That's why they won't post here  ;D

Muslims Leaving Islam in Droves

Ex-Muslim Magdi Allam's very public baptism on Easter Sunday made headlines, but he is just one among legions converting from Islam around the world.


April 3, 2008 - by Andrew Walden

Pope Benedict’s choice to publicly baptize the most prominent Muslim in Italy, Egyptian-born Magdi Allam, highlights a quiet worldwide exodus from Islam. In recent years, millions have moved on. With this high-profile action, Pope Benedict demonstratively blesses this massive conversion from the highest levels of the Church.

Interviewed by al-Jazeera in 2006, Ahmad al-Qataani, leader of the Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, explains the decline:

Islam used to represent … Africa’s main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa. So in the section of Africa that we are talking about, the non-Arab section, the number of Muslims does not exceed 150 million people. When we realize that the entire population of Africa is one billion people, we see that the number of Muslims has diminished greatly from what it was in the beginning of the last century.

On the other hand, the number of Catholics has increased from one million in 1902 to 329 million 882 thousand (329,882,000). Let us round off that number to 330 million in the year 2000.

As to how that happened, well there are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people. In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. These numbers are very large indeed.

Allam’s public baptism came just ten days after the body of Catholic Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho of Mosul, Iraq, was found in a shallow grave after being kidnapped by al-Qaeda February 29. The ceremony came just three days after an al-Qaeda tape threatening the pope and condemning cartoons of Mohammed. Muslims who convert to other religions or abandon religion entirely are subject to a standing order of death for apostasy. The baptism of Allam is an act of defiance in the face of Islamic threats.

The baptism of Allam also comes in the midst of papal “dialogue” with Muslims. The dialogue began unpromisingly with the catcalls from Islam and its secularist allies which greeted the now-famous September 20, 2006, papal address at the University of Regensburg. In October, 138 Islamic leaders presented the pope with “A Common Word Between Us and You” — nailed by critics as a craftily written call for conversion. On March 4, Pope Benedict approved formation of a permanent “Catholic-Muslim forum” scheduled to meet in November. And now he has thrown his own call for conversion into the discussion. Islam’s secularist allies were quick to echo Muslims, calling the baptism “provocative.” While accepting the Islamic death penalty for apostasy as a given, they complain the pope’s action could set back dialogue.

While the secularists wring their hands, Allam writes that his mind “has been freed from the obscurantism of an ideology that legitimizes lies and deception, violent death that leads to homicide and suicide, blind submission to tyranny, permitting me to join the authentic religion of Truth, Life, and Liberty. … I realize what I am going up against but I will confront my fate with my head high, with my back straight, and the interior strength of one who is certain about his faith.”

Allam, author of numerous books and deputy editor of Milan’s Corriere della Sera, joins a list of converts from Islam which includes many other public intellectuals and millions of average people from all over the world. This is more than the normal flow between two large religious communities. Islam can point to little in the way of recent conversions. Its claim to be the world’s fastest-growing religion stems mostly from the high birth rate in Islamic countries, whose infant mortality rates have been cut by the introduction of Western medicine. Christian growth is based on adult conversion. As leading Christian evangelist Wolfgang Simpson writes, “More Muslims have come to Christ in the last two decades than in all of history.”

Although al-Qataani points to Africa, there is another phenomenon based on repulsion from Islamist dictatorship, corruption, and terrorist violence. In Iran as many as 1 million people have surreptitiously converted to Evangelical Christianity in the last five years. Pastor Hormoz Shariat claims to have converted 50,000 of them through his U.S.-based Farsi-language satellite ministry. He contrasts the upswing to the efforts of evangelical missionaries in Iran between 1830 and 1979, whose 149 years of work built a Christian community of only 3,000. One Iranian religious scholar believes youth are abandoning Islam because it is identified with the corrupt Iranian government. Now the Iranian Majlis (parliament) is debating the death penalty for conversion.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/muslims-leaving-islam-in-droves/

After years of al-Qaeda war on Iraq, a similar phenomenon is growing. The New York Times March 4 reports: “After almost five years of war, many young people in Iraq, exhausted by constant firsthand exposure to the violence of religious extremism, say they have grown disillusioned with religious leaders and skeptical of the faith that they preach.” A high school girl tells Times reporters: “I hate Islam and all the clerics because they limit our freedom every day and their instruction became heavy over us. Most of the girls in my high school hate that Islamic people control the authority because they don’t deserve to be rulers.” A 19-year-old man says: “The religion men are liars. Young people don’t believe them. Guys my age are not interested in religion anymore.” A Baghdad law professor explains that her students “have changed their views about religion. They started to hate religious men. They make jokes about them because they feel disgusted by them.” A 24-year-old female college student says, “I used to love Osama bin Laden. Now I hate Islam. Al-Qaeda and the Mahdi Army are spreading hatred. People are being killed for nothing.”

In southern Russia the same pattern is emerging. According to Roman Silantyev, executive secretary of the Inter-religious Council in Russia, freed from atheist control, two million Muslims converted to Christianity. Repulsed by bloody terrorist attacks, those living in areas such as Beslan have converted to Christianity in the greatest numbers of all. As many as 100,000 have converted to Christianity in post-Soviet Kyrgyzstan.

After decades of Islamist war, evangelicals report thousands of sub-rosa converts in rural areas of Kashmir. Says one churchgoer: “I am interested in this religion. I hate violence. I hate fundamentalists in Islam. I come here to seek peace.” An Indian newspaper headline reads: “Urban Muslim Youth Out to Junk Faith.”

Following decades of terrorist rule, Palestinians are being quietly converted, holding in-home services to avoid detection. Says one evangelist: “I’ve been working among these people for thirty years, and I promise you I’ve never seen anything like this.”

Islam is also losing adherents in areas where Islamist harassment is heavy on the streets. The London Times estimates 15% of Muslims living in Western Europe have left Islam — 200,000 in the UK alone. Those who leave often face harassment, threats, and attack.

The mufti of Perak, Malaysia, estimates about 250,000 people have abandoned Islam, making formal application for apostasy to the state — a right allowed to Malaysian citizens who are not ethnic Malays. Says he: “This figure does not include individuals who don’t do solat, doesn’t fast and breaks [sic] all the tenets of Islam.” Borrowing from the communist playbook, Malaysia operates “reeducation camps” for any ethnic Malay found guilty of apostasy. Unsurprisingly, ethnic Malays are at the bottom of the economic ladder in Malaysia.

In a letter published in Corriere della Sera on Easter Day, Allam points out the pope “sent an explicit and revolutionary message to a church that until now has been too cautious in the conversion of Muslims … because of the fear of being unable to protect the converted who are condemned to death for apostasy.

“Thousands of people in Italy have converted to Islam and practice their faith serenely. But there are also thousands of Muslims who have converted to Christianity who are forced to hide their new faith out of fear of being killed by Islamist terrorists.”

Allam describes Islam as a system for taking and holding power. Threat of violence is its enforcement mechanism. Allam also points out: “Beyond … the phenomenon of extremists and Islamist terrorism at the global level, the root of evil is inherent to a physiologically violent and historically conflictual Islam.” So it is not coincidental that Muslims are abandoning the faith as U.S. and coalition soldiers smash al-Qaeda in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. Islamist terrorists and street thugs are beginning to look impotent.

Appeasement-oriented opinion explains Islamic violence as a response to Western policy. For them, reality is incomprehensible. But in a 1998 ABC News interview with John Miller, Osama bin Laden explained his motivation: Allah had given the jihadis victory over one superpower (the USSR) and Allah would grant them victory over the other. But a decade later it is not coming to pass on the battlefield. The defeat of the Islamists puts the lie to the claim that Allah will cause the infidels to desire submission. As a result, the Islamists’ ability to intimidate their captive populations is weakened. More and more it is Muslims who no longer desire submission to Islam.

Firstly Calanen, as I said, there's no doubt there's odd convert from Islam. But they're certainly nowhere near as extant as converts to Islam, such as myself, who you'll find everywhere carrying the torch of Islam.

Magdi Allam's story has already been discussed here anyway, the guy was raised by nuns for God's sake! He lived most of his life with his Italian wife in Italy, and then all of a sudden early this century he claims he's publically converting! What a joke. The guy lived his whole life as a Christian / amongst Christians.

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I just noticed this  ;D

Allam was the most prominent Muslim in Italy??? The fact they make stuff like this up, makes it quite clear they're trying to make something what it isn't.

The guy is quite clearly a phoney who wanted to get a bit of press. Even those close to him have admitted that, and he was most certainly never a practising Muslim, let alone "the most prominent" one in Italy  ;D


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Many of those who knew him well throughout his entire career generally dismiss him as a phony, who invented a new persona for career and economical gain. For instance Vittorio Zucconi, deputy director of La Repubblica - the newspaper for which Allam had worked for more than 20 years - humorously compared his new pose of "defender of the West" to American actress Doris Day. Asked by a reader to comment on Allam's quite sudden change of opinions and recent controversial role, Zucconi answered:    I know Magdi all too well, and I love him too much (I swear) to break with him my resolution of never criticizing a fellow journalist. But your question Sir reminds me of a famous joke about Doris Day, the blond, chaste, dolled-up actress of the 60's: "I knew Doris before she was a virgin."

Strangely enough, he began writing and publishing books in 2002, the same year he all of a sudden became a big opponent of Islam, Palestinians and all other causes that can be easily sensationalised... Not unlike Rushdie, Irshad Manji, Wafa Sultan and Hirsi-Ali, this guy is merely cashing in on the kinda headlines apostasy from Islam can bring you.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 12^th, 2009 at 3:31am:

Firstly Calanen, as I said, there's no doubt there's odd convert from Islam. But they're certainly nowhere near as extant as converts to Islam, such as myself, who you'll find everywhere carrying the torch of Islam.

December 19, 2008
Pakistan: Christians find Bible burned, note warning they'll "burn in the fire of hell" and must convert to Islam if they want to "live in peace"
No effigy burnings, no raging "Christianist" mobs. Compare the reactions we have seen when someone even alleges that a non-believer damaged or showed disrespect toward the Qur'an.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023995.php



abu,

The environment for 'converts' [leaving ISLAM, i.e. oppression] within Sharia jurisdictions, compared to the liberal ["Let there be no compulsion in religion......."] environment in, and endorsed within Western nations is hardly a level playing field.

Yet, still huge numbers of Iranians are converting to Christianity.




".....While Christians who turn to Islam are feted, the 200,000 Muslims who turn away are faced with abuse, violence and even murder."




The accounts of the experiences of some 'converts'.....

February 05, 2005
Muslim apostates cast out and at risk from faith and family
By Anthony Browne
While Christians who turn to Islam are feted, the 200,000 Muslims who turn away are faced with abuse, violence and even murder
For police, religious authorities and politicians, it is an issue so sensitive that they are accused by victims of refusing to respond to appeals for help.
....She fled to another part of Britain, but the attacks soon started again as locals found out about her. “I wasn’t going to leave again,” she said, adding that it was the double standards of her attackers that made her most angry. “They are such hypocrites — they want us to be tolerant of everything they want, but they are intolerant of everything about us.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article510589.ece


February 7, 2007
Muslims converting to Christianity by the thousands in France
In the face of ostracism and death threats -- in accord with Muhammad's command to kill those who leave Islam. "Muslims converts face ostracism in France," from ZeeNews, with thanks to Morgaan Sinclair:
   Muslims are converting to Christianity in their thousands in France but face exclusion from their families and even death threats.
   Most Muslims hide their conversion and Protestant ministers do their utmost to protect new converts. It is estimated that every year in the world some six million Muslims convert to Christianity.
   The Muezzin call to prayer. But here in France it is no longer reaching all Muslim ears.
   Around 15,000 Muslims each year are converting to Christianity - around 10,000 to Catholicism and 5,000 to Protestantism....
   Many Muslims in France hide their conversion but the trend is continuing. World wide around six million Muslims a year convert to Christianity.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015160.php



January 15, 2009
Bangladesh: Muslims drive Christian grandparents, converts from Islam, from home
We are the first converted Christians in this village. Neighbors told my sons, ‘Why should your parents live in this village? They do not have right to live here because they are no longer Muslims.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/024404.php


United Arab Emirates: A Filipino pastor was arrested for distributing Christian materials. A Lebanese Christian man who married a Muslim woman from UAE was arrested, tortured and forced to divorce his wife after moving to UAE..."
Posted by: Beagle
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024055.php#c611736


Palestinian Authority: There have been numerous reported cases of Christian worshippers and converts harassed, beaten, imprisoned and killed. In July, 2003, a Palestinian convert to Christianity was murdered and carved into four pieces as a warning to other Christians.


Saudi Arabia: All Christian worship is forbidden in the country - even within the U.S. Embassy. Christians have been jailed and deported for possessing a Bible. Saudi Muslim citizens who convert to Christianity are subject to the death penalty.

Iran: To convert from Islam to another faith is a criminal offense in Iran. Christians are routinely threatened, arrested, imprisoned and tortured because of their faith.


Egypt: Attacks by Muslim fundamentalists against Coptic Christians are common and not being effectively countered by the government. The government has conducted mass detentions, harasses and tortures Christian converts and restricts the expansion and repair of Christian facilities.


Indonesia: The government closes down churches without explanation, depriving Christians of places of worship. Christian women are forced to conform to Muslim dress codes. Churches have also been burned to the ground.


December 22, 2008
Egyptian police torture, rape convert to Christianity from Islam
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/024031.php

Anyone notice a pattern.

Without Jihadwatch Yadda...you are nothing. Actually, even with JihadWatch...you are nothing.

:D:D:D

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Although we often hear a lot about these so called ex-Muslims, I very much doubt one will materialise.

Islam commands the death penalty for Apostasy right?

What is the penalty for blasphemy?


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Then again, they're all in hiding, in fear of their lives right? That's why they won't post here  ;D

I think you're laughter is a bit or a low blow, given that you promote an ideology that calls for the death penalty for such people. The fatwa that was placed on Rushdie was no joke. It was a blatant attack on free speech. If you truly believed in freedom of religion, you would oppose such barbarity, not laugh about it. It's like you rpetending that child abuse only happens in Christian churchs, but when a madrassa student rejects the sexual advances of a cleric, the cleric and his cronies burst in and throw acid on him, in front of his family. As if this wasn't absurd enough, the cleric actually expects to get away with it and the madrassa actually tries to cover it up. What other society would allow religious leaders to flaunt their sexual exploitation of children and intimidate the public in this way?


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this guy is merely cashing in on the kinda headlines apostasy from Islam can bring you.

Cashing in on the death penalty for their actions? Is that what you meant by 'headlines'?

Lestat wrote on Feb 12^th, 2009 at 2:59pm:

Anyone notice a pattern? Without Jihadwatch Yadda...you are nothing. Actually, even with JihadWatch...you are nothing. :D:D:D

Lestat,

In answer to your Q.

Yes i do.



Why is it?

Why is it that muslims always rail against exposing the TRUTH?

Why is it that muslims despise the TRUTH, and despise those who expose the TRUTH?






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Deuteronomy 32:3
Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
4  He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.


Psalms 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6  Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing [deceit]: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Yadda wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 9:53am:

Lestat, In answer to your Q.

hahah..thats funny, because I didn't actually ask you a question. My post was a statement, not a question. Its rather sad that you cannot tell the difference. Sad, but not surprising. :D:D


Yadda wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 9:53am:

Yes i do.

Yes you do what?


Yadda wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 9:53am:

Why is it?

Why is what?


Yadda wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 9:53am:

Why is it that muslims always rail against exposing the TRUTH?

I think the term you mean is 'rally'. Not sure what trains have to do with the truth. :D:D

Anyway, this is more of your usual nonsense. All you have is lies from a discredited anti-Islamic site known to spread lies.

Forgive us if we don't take your claims of 'truth' to seriously.


Yadda wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 9:53am:

Why is it that muslims despise the TRUTH, and despise those who expose the TRUTH?

no...we despise liars like you. Islam is the truth, you, are nothing but a cut and paste king who has little understanding of his own religon, let alone Islam.



Yadda wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 9:53am:

Deuteronomy 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. 4  He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Do you understand this verse. I don't think you do, cause if you did, you would not of posted it. Besides, this is OT, don't you Christians only follow the NT. Well according to boofy anyway.


Yadda wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 9:53am:

Psalms 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. 6  Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing [deceit]: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Sorry to break it to you, but in this case, the foolish is you. :)





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Lestat wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 10:26am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 9:53am: Why is it that muslims always rail against exposing the TRUTH? I think the term you mean is 'rally'. Not sure what trains have to do with the truth. :D:D Anyway, this is more of your usual nonsense. All you have is lies from a discredited anti-Islamic site known to spread lies. Forgive us if we don't take your claims of 'truth' to seriously. Yadda wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 9:53am: Why is it that muslims despise the TRUTH, and despise those who expose the TRUTH? no...we despise liars like you. Islam is the truth, you, are nothing but a cut and paste king who has little understanding of his own religon, let alone Islam.

Lestat,

I take this opportunity to copy and paste, yet again!!!!


Dictionary,
rail [#2] = = (rail against/at) complain or protest strongly about or to.