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Title: Homosexuality in Islam Post by freediver on Oct 9th, 2008 at 6:29pm
Abu, please move this to the extremism board if you don't want it here.
From the masturbation thread: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1223516711 Abu: Quote:
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Title: Re: Homosexuality in Islam Post by sprintcyclist on Oct 9th, 2008 at 6:42pm
hahahha - you got TOLD !!!!!!!!
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Title: Re: Homosexuality in Islam Post by jordan484 on Oct 9th, 2008 at 6:48pm
Threads are being closed left and right. How very Islam like.
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Title: Re: Homosexuality in Islam Post by abu_rashid on Oct 9th, 2008 at 7:12pm Quote:
If it goes on unnecessarily, or spawns any other deviant-sexual topics, then it will be closed, no point in moving it, as I won't be engaging in the discussion, meaning it'll be just you with yourself. Quote:
Yes. The act is just that, an act. It could possibly be performed by someone not subscribing to the lifestyle, and it has it's particular punishment, also the act itself does not take somoene out of the fold of Islam. Quote:
Since it's a capital offense, I wouldn't say it's treated lightly at all. Quote:
Islamically, someone who'd taken it this far would've apostasised and the Islamic ruling for apostasy would now apply to him. Talking is not part of this though, as some people have lisps and other speech impediments which cause them to talk like that. Whether it's hormone related or not, the speech in itself is not forbidden. However, if it's done intentionally to emulate women, then yes it's forbidden. Hope that clears it all up. Please don't keep going on with this nonsense, it's really a distasteful topic to keep discussing. You might find it pleasant, I personally don't. |
Title: Re: Homosexuality in Islam Post by pender on Oct 9th, 2008 at 7:25pm
having read both threads i must say i almost completly agree with Abu's islamic view of homosexuality.
although i prefer to let god judge not people when it comes to these things. I dont want homo crusades or anything. catholic teaching is almost identical to abu aswell except the punish ment area. |
Title: Re: Homosexuality in Islam Post by freediver on Oct 9th, 2008 at 7:32pm
Abu, is this a valid interpretation of the Koran?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1223542345 and the Islamic ruling for apostasy would now apply to him What is that again? I think there was some abiguity last time we touched on that. However, if it's done intentionally to emulate women, then yes it's forbidden. Can you elaborate on this? That is, is it forbidden to deliberately act gay, or to act like a woman? Where in the Koran does this come from, and what is the punishment? Please don't keep going on with this nonsense, it's really a distasteful topic to keep discussing. You might find it pleasant, I personally don't. Sorry, but I find it interesting. Don't feel obligued to respond. Also, if it's in the Koran, why should it be distasteful? Shouldn't God's word bring you joy? I dont want homo crusades or anything. You mean like the mardis gras, or a violent movement? catholic teaching is almost identical to abu aswell except the punish ment area. What is the catholic punishment? |
Title: Re: Homosexuality in Islam Post by abu_rashid on Oct 9th, 2008 at 7:44pm Quote:
I've already given you the Islamic position and sentence regarding homosexual acts and the homosexual lifestyle, if you still can't comprehend, not much I can do for you. Quote:
Not from me, perhaps with Malik. Apostasy is a capital offense. Quote:
As has been mentioned to you many times before freediver, there's more than just one textual source in Islam, not just the Qur'an. It was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed men who imitate women and women who imitate men, and he said: “Throw them out of your houses.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5885). The punishment is obviously to boot them out of your house if they ever found some way in :) Again, not everything forbidden necessarily has a punishment, even though I know that's your favourite bit. Quote:
Descriptions of their activities and so forth are not in the Qur'an. |
Title: Re: Homosexuality in Islam Post by freediver on Oct 9th, 2008 at 9:35pm
Aren't descriptions necessary to avoid ambiguity?
Also, I thought Islam was tolerant of 'girly men'. |
Title: Re: Homosexuality in Islam Post by abu_rashid on Oct 9th, 2008 at 9:48pm Quote:
No, we know what sodomy is, finished. If you wanna debate and describe it, and illustrate how people's posteriors are poking out of their pants, then I don't wanna hear it, keep it to yourself. Please just leave this issue at that, I don't wanna hear a response, just want you to comprehend, finished. Quote:
Hermaphrodites, not 'girly men'. I quoted for you above the statement of Muhammad (pbuh) about men who imitate girls. |
Title: Re: Homosexuality in Islam Post by abu_rashid on Oct 9th, 2008 at 9:51pm Pender, Quote:
Actually for most of Catholicism's history, there was no difference on this. The Catholic establishment and most, if not all, governments in Europe considered it a capital offense. It's only in the last century few centuries, since the Papacy was reduced to the token state of the Vatican, that they changed their stance. |
Title: Re: Homosexuality in Islam Post by freediver on Oct 9th, 2008 at 9:53pm
Maybe it was Malik, but I'm sure someone was talking about effiminate men. I forget the exact term they used. They were saying how good Islam is for tolerating them and letting them have wives.
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Title: Re: Homosexuality in Islam Post by easel on Oct 9th, 2008 at 10:09pm
Iran used the Koran for justification and allows them sex changes and hormone therapy so they aren't gay and become women.
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Title: Re: Homosexuality in Islam Post by sprintcyclist on Oct 10th, 2008 at 12:12am
easel - good on iran for doing that.
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Title: Re: Homosexuality in Islam Post by abu_rashid on Oct 10th, 2008 at 12:36am easel, there's no justification from the Qur'an for any such practise. That's just nonsense. |
Title: Re: Homosexuality in Islam Post by sprintcyclist on Oct 10th, 2008 at 12:55am
oh well, i take it back then.
oh, wait, did iran still do that ? just the koran is against it ? |
Title: Re: Homosexuality in Islam Post by locutius on Oct 10th, 2008 at 4:11pm easel wrote on Oct 9th, 2008 at 10:09pm:
How empathetic and tolerant if true. Such compassion and understanding shown to one of God's children. But alas....................... :( |
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