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Message started by midnightcowboy on Mar 18th, 2008 at 2:28pm

Title: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by midnightcowboy on Mar 18th, 2008 at 2:28pm
http://www.smh.com.au/news/unusual-tales/call-for-inquiry-as-pilot-says-he-touched-one/2007/11/13/1194766648633.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1


Flashback to 1981 ... seen over Vancouver Island in British Columbia and made public by the British Ministry of Defence in 2006.

November 13, 2007 - 2:16PM

A group of former pilots who have recounted seeing strange phenomena in the sky has demanded the US government reopen an investigation into UFOs.

Several pilots offered dramatic accounts of witnessing UFOs - including a transparent flying disc and a triangular craft with mysterious markings - as they insisted their questions needed to be taken seriously more than 30 years after the US file was closed.

"We want the US government to stop perpetuating the myth that all UFOs can be explained away in down-to-earth, conventional terms," said Fife Symington, former governor of Arizona and air force pilot who says he saw a UFO in 1997.

"Instead our country needs to reopen its official investigation that it shut down in 1969," Symington said.

"We believe that for reasons of both national security and flight safety, every country should make an effort to identify any object in its airspace," said a statement from the 19 former pilots and government officials from around the world.

The subject of UFOs came up in a recent debate among US presidential candidates, with Democrat Dennis Kucinich saying he once saw a UFO - making him the object of ridicule and jokes by late night television comedians.

Sceptics say UFO sightings are merely aircraft, satellites or meteors re-entering the Earth's atmosphere.

But the retired pilots spoke to a sympathetic audience of UFO "believers" who heard them recall their encounters with seemingly other-worldly objects appearing out of the sky.

"Nothing in my training prepared me for what we were witnessing," said James Penniston, a retired US Air Force pilot, as he described seeing and touching a UFO when he was stationed at a British air base in Woodbridge.

He said he saw an inexplicable triangular craft in a clearing in the woods with "blue and yellow lights swirling around the exterior".

The UFO was "warm to the touch and felt like metal," Penniston said. One side of the craft had pictorial symbols and "the largest symbol was a triangle, which was centred in the middle of the others," he said.

Then after 45 minutes the light from the object "began to intensify" and it then "shot off at an unbelievable speed" before 80 Air Force personnel, he said. "In my logbook, I wrote 'speed: impossible'."

Rodrigo Bravo from Chile's air force said UFOs needed to be studied but lamented that the media often belittle the sightings.

"Sadly the UFO subject has been contaminated with false information, out of touch with reality, provided by unqualified people to the media," Bravo said.

"One of our most important civil aviation cases occurred in 1988, showing that unidentified flying objects can be a danger for air operations," he said.

"A Boeing 737 pilot on a final approach to the runway at the Puerto Montt airport suddenly encountered a large white light surrounded by green and red."

The pilot took a sharp turn to avoid a collision, according to Bravo.

The panel included a former Iranian fighter pilot, Parviz Jafari, who said in 1976 he tried in vain to fire from his jet at an "object which was flashing with intense red, green, orange and blue light" over Tehran.

But when he approached, "my weapons jammed and my radio communications garbled".

A former Air France captain, Jean-Charles Duboc, said in 1994 he and his crew saw "a huge flying disc" near Paris with a diameter of about 300 metres that left no sign on radar.

The disc "became transparent and disappeared in about 10 to 20 seconds," Duboc said.

The former pilot said like other major airlines Air France was mindful of its image and it was difficult to raise the subject of UFOs.

A former official with the Federal Aviation Administration, John Callahan, said government agencies discourage inquiries into UFOs.

"'Who believes in UFOs?' is the kind of attitude of the FAA all the time," he said.

"However, when I asked the CIA person: 'What do you think it was,' he responded 'a UFO'."

When Callahan suggested the government tell Americans about a UFO, the CIA official allegedly told him: "'No way, if we were to tell the American public there are UFOs they would panic."'

AFP

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by freediver on Mar 18th, 2008 at 3:20pm
That photo looks like a black frisbee.

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by sprintcyclist on Mar 20th, 2008 at 3:53pm
wonder if there is a dof just off piccie jumping for the ufo/frisbee.


I saw a ufo one day.  it was in the air, an object and i could not identify it.



Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by oCeAnIc on Mar 21st, 2008 at 1:20pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 20th, 2008 at 3:53pm:
wonder if there is a dof just off piccie jumping for the ufo/frisbee.


I saw a ufo one day.  it was in the air, an object and i could not identify it.



In the air  ?..you dont say..how unusual. ::)

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by JaSin. on Mar 5th, 2021 at 2:39am
The closest I've ever been to a UFO experience is hearing something really really really fast skim across a cloudy night sky from one horizon to the other overhead.
Couldn't see it, but it made a sound like it was ice-skating with sporadic breaks of silence.
I would say a meteor falling, but it seemed to just go right 'across' the sky.
Maybe it was a Stealth in Australian skies?
It was also low sounding, as if just above the cloud cover.
Didn't sound like a jet fighter though.

Fast, very fast. Five silent breaks with five 'skating on ice' sounds for about a second each.

That photo looks like a button on a blue art sheet you find in an art shop.

UFO's are an American thing: Culturally they are the most dominant 'Aviation' nation and all things 'up there'. It sounds more like an American Dream, than a current reality.

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by AiA on Mar 5th, 2021 at 8:17am

Jasin wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 2:39am:
The closest I've ever been to a UFO experience is hearing something really really really fast skim across a cloudy night sky from one horizon to the other overhead.
Couldn't see it, but it made a sound like it was ice-skating with sporadic breaks of silence.
I would say a meteor falling, but it seemed to just go right 'across' the sky.
Maybe it was a Stealth in Australian skies?
It was also low sounding, as if just above the cloud cover.
Didn't sound like a jet fighter though.

Fast, very fast. Five silent breaks with five 'skating on ice' sounds for about a second each.

That photo looks like a button on a blue art sheet you find in an art shop.

UFO's are an American thing: Culturally they are the most dominant 'Aviation' nation and all things 'up there'. It sounds more like an American Dream, than a current reality.


Enjoyed that anal probe, did you?

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by SadKangaroo on Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:13pm
There has to be other life out there in the universe, intelligent or otherwise, we can't be the only fluke of nature.

But grainy poor quality photos of UFO's only prove one thing, the person claiming it is a UFO is mistaking the "Unknown" un UFO for "it's Aliens!"

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by JaSin. on Mar 5th, 2021 at 2:12pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:13pm:
There has to be other life out there in the universe, intelligent or otherwise, we can't be the only fluke of nature.

But grainy poor quality photos of UFO's only prove one thing, the person claiming it is a UFO is mistaking the "Unknown" un UFO for "it's Aliens!"

Good point and I think you're right.

Over-Population makes people desperate for a $buck, so Americans would make anything up to crawl away from that poverty mass down below. There's a silly program on now 'Supernatural caught on camera' - it's not really the subject matter - its all about 'camera tricks' that create that 'culture' of illusion. It's a big money spinner.
Luckily I saw a Doco on nearly all of the popular camera tricks and 'hoaxes' and how they are all done. It was so precise in its debunking, that I'm surprised shows like Supernatural on 'Camera' is still going around. But if idiots will still pay for such 'entertainment' - which it is to many who participate in such to provide for a $buck, I guess it will just keep flowing on, despite the obvious sham that it is.

I can understand and even support that people probably found prehistoric fossils back in the very old days - where a skull of T-Rex in the rock and dirt may be seen as a 'Dragon'. I guess that's the best they can do, until more knowledge becomes available and quite frankly the concept of 'Dragons' has provided my 'entertainment' down through the ages until the truth is properly found and revealed. Hell, Nessie probably saved the Town of Loch Ness financially, so why not just make a show of it. There is always 'evidence' to kick start such things, but like a Fish Tale, the bells and whistles come out as well to make it more than it really is.

2001: A Space Odyssey is a very good example. Clarke and Kubrick knew the Monolith represented the Cinema screen (my god, it's full of 'hollywood' stars) - but the movie manipulates it as something more and mysterious which has been it's biggest attraction to keep people 'wondering' beyond the bounds of what it really is. Clarke changed the Monolith 'Cinema Screen' to a Computer in later novels. So in essence, there was really 'nothing' out there in regards to the story - but to the uniformed, the audience was as mentally aware as Primates. Quite an insult to the informed Viewer to be labelled a 'monkey' by Clarke & Kubrick.

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by JaSin. on Mar 5th, 2021 at 2:15pm

AiA wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 8:17am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 2:39am:
The closest I've ever been to a UFO experience is hearing something really really really fast skim across a cloudy night sky from one horizon to the other overhead.
Couldn't see it, but it made a sound like it was ice-skating with sporadic breaks of silence.
I would say a meteor falling, but it seemed to just go right 'across' the sky.
Maybe it was a Stealth in Australian skies?
It was also low sounding, as if just above the cloud cover.
Didn't sound like a jet fighter though.

Fast, very fast. Five silent breaks with five 'skating on ice' sounds for about a second each.

That photo looks like a button on a blue art sheet you find in an art shop.

UFO's are an American thing: Culturally they are the most dominant 'Aviation' nation and all things 'up there'. It sounds more like an American Dream, than a current reality.


Enjoyed that anal probe, did you?

;D
I kid you not AiA. Had an American patient come out from his sedation after surgery. He woke up while I was doing his BP and he asked in his accent "How long have I been under?"
Jokingly I said "About a week, do you remember all those bright lights and austra-aliens around you?"
I near crapped myself when I saw the sheer terror in his eyes that he absolutely believed me. :o

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by Belgarion on Mar 5th, 2021 at 3:26pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:13pm:
There has to be other life out there in the universe, intelligent or otherwise, we can't be the only fluke of nature.

But grainy poor quality photos of UFO's only prove one thing, the person claiming it is a UFO is mistaking the "Unknown" un UFO for "it's Aliens!"


I am certain that there is other sentient life out there, however unless they or we ever develop faster than light travel we are simply too far apart to ever make contact.  This is why I am sceptical about all these alien encounters. 

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by Bobby. on Mar 5th, 2021 at 3:38pm


Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 11th, 2021 at 1:36pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 3:26pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:13pm:
There has to be other life out there in the universe, intelligent or otherwise, we can't be the only fluke of nature.

But grainy poor quality photos of UFO's only prove one thing, the person claiming it is a UFO is mistaking the "Unknown" un UFO for "it's Aliens!"


I am certain that there is other sentient life out there, however unless they or we ever develop faster than light travel we are simply too far apart to ever make contact.  This is why I am sceptical about all these alien encounters. 

The amount of energy required to move an object to near the speed of light precludes most civilisations from achieving those sorts of speeds.  The point is, it is nigh on impossible to go faster than the speed of light, according to present physics.  Elon Musk needs to work on a FTL drive, not just rockets if he wants humanity to survive a meteor/comet strike as he has stated. ::)

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by Fuzzball on Mar 11th, 2021 at 1:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2021 at 1:36pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 3:26pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:13pm:
There has to be other life out there in the universe, intelligent or otherwise, we can't be the only fluke of nature.

But grainy poor quality photos of UFO's only prove one thing, the person claiming it is a UFO is mistaking the "Unknown" un UFO for "it's Aliens!"


I am certain that there is other sentient life out there, however unless they or we ever develop faster than light travel we are simply too far apart to ever make contact.  This is why I am sceptical about all these alien encounters. 

The amount of energy required to move an object to near the speed of light precludes most civilisations from achieving those sorts of speeds.  The point is, it is nigh on impossible to go faster than the speed of light, according to present physics.  Elon Musk needs to work on a FTL drive, not just rockets if he wants humanity to survive a meteor/comet strike as he has stated. ::)



You tell em bwiaaaan........

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by Bojack Horseman on Mar 11th, 2021 at 5:01pm

Fuzzball wrote on Mar 11th, 2021 at 1:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2021 at 1:36pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 3:26pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:13pm:
There has to be other life out there in the universe, intelligent or otherwise, we can't be the only fluke of nature.

But grainy poor quality photos of UFO's only prove one thing, the person claiming it is a UFO is mistaking the "Unknown" un UFO for "it's Aliens!"


I am certain that there is other sentient life out there, however unless they or we ever develop faster than light travel we are simply too far apart to ever make contact.  This is why I am sceptical about all these alien encounters. 

The amount of energy required to move an object to near the speed of light precludes most civilisations from achieving those sorts of speeds.  The point is, it is nigh on impossible to go faster than the speed of light, according to present physics.  Elon Musk needs to work on a FTL drive, not just rockets if he wants humanity to survive a meteor/comet strike as he has stated. ::)



You tell em bwiaaaan........



Watch out Brian you've been shot by the nerf sniper.

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 11th, 2021 at 8:05pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 11th, 2021 at 5:01pm:
Watch out Brian you've been shot by the nerf sniper.


Not to worry, I have a fireman to attend to such attacks.  Bobby!  Bobby!  I need you to put out a small fire!   :)

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 11th, 2021 at 8:07pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 3:26pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:13pm:
There has to be other life out there in the universe, intelligent or otherwise, we can't be the only fluke of nature.

But grainy poor quality photos of UFO's only prove one thing, the person claiming it is a UFO is mistaking the "Unknown" un UFO for "it's Aliens!"


I am certain that there is other sentient life out there, ...


Based on what, exactly?

What makes you so certain?


Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by Frank on Mar 31st, 2021 at 12:55pm

Elon Musk  @elonmusk   · Mar 25


If there’s ever a scandal about me, *please* call it Elongate.





Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 1st, 2021 at 9:29am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2021 at 8:07pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 3:26pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:13pm:
There has to be other life out there in the universe, intelligent or otherwise, we can't be the only fluke of nature.

But grainy poor quality photos of UFO's only prove one thing, the person claiming it is a UFO is mistaking the "Unknown" un UFO for "it's Aliens!"


I am certain that there is other sentient life out there, ...


Based on what, exactly?

What makes you so certain?


We can't be certain, but it happened on earth.  Are we really that special that out of all the 100 billion galaxies, the billion trillions of stars and countless planets, life also didn't find a way out there?

I don't think so.

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 1st, 2021 at 9:40am

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 9:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2021 at 8:07pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 3:26pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:13pm:
There has to be other life out there in the universe, intelligent or otherwise, we can't be the only fluke of nature.

But grainy poor quality photos of UFO's only prove one thing, the person claiming it is a UFO is mistaking the "Unknown" un UFO for "it's Aliens!"


I am certain that there is other sentient life out there, ...


Based on what, exactly?

What makes you so certain?


We can't be certain, but it happened on earth.  Are we really that special that out of all the 100 billion galaxies, the billion trillions of stars and countless planets, life also didn't find a way out there?

I don't think so.


Yes, I understand the argument, but it's not based on anything logical or practical.

It's just, "The universe is so big, surely we can't be the only ones".


Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by Bobby. on Apr 1st, 2021 at 9:47am

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 9:29am:
We can't be certain, but it happened on earth.  Are we really that special that out of all the 100 billion galaxies, the billion trillions of stars and countless planets, life also didn't find a way out there?

I don't think so.



It's more likely that civilizations were out there but
that they became extinct long ago -
billions of years ago in fact.

We are here quite late in the history of the universe.
The Earth is only 4.5 billion years old
yet the universe is 13.8 billion years old.

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 1st, 2021 at 9:53am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 9:47am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 9:29am:
We can't be certain, but it happened on earth.  Are we really that special that out of all the 100 billion galaxies, the billion trillions of stars and countless planets, life also didn't find a way out there?

I don't think so.



It's more likely that civilizations were out there but
that they became extinct long ago -
billions of years ago in fact.

We are here quite late in the history of the universe.
The Earth is only 4.5 billion years old
yet the universe is 13.8 billion years old.


"... previous intelligent civilizations came and went before humans even arrived on the scene. They may have been annihilated by overpopulation or nuclear warfare or dangerous experiments or deadly disease or any number of other horrifying catastrophes.

"Any of these would suggest that Hanson’s great filter isn’t somewhere in our past, but rather in our future — that most civilizations destroy themselves eventually and we’re inexorably heading toward our doom."


Scientists believe there’s other life in the universe. Why haven’t we found it yet?

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by Bobby. on Apr 1st, 2021 at 10:04am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 9:53am:
"... previous intelligent civilizations came and went before humans even arrived on the scene. They may have been annihilated by overpopulation or nuclear warfare or dangerous experiments or deadly disease or any number of other horrifying catastrophes.

"Any of these would suggest that Hanson’s great filter isn’t somewhere in our past, but rather in our future — that most civilizations destroy themselves eventually and we’re inexorably heading toward our doom."


We discovered how to wipe ourselves out
with nuclear weapons less than 60 years after discovering radio communication.

We learnt how to create bio weapons to destroy everyone
on the planet by modifying DNA/RNA in bacteria and viruses.

We are polluting our planet with our
population way out of control -
breeding like rabbits.

Chances are that any advanced civilisations are just as
crazy as we are and wipe themselves out.

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 1st, 2021 at 10:16am
There is a much deeper discussion to be had there, but we're assuming life developed to intelligence equal to or greater than our own. 

If it had, it could just be the vastness of the universe and the speed limit that, as constrained as we are with our current intelligence, cannot be exceeded.

There are many possibilities out there, to other life in the universe, past and present, to the reasons why we're yet to find any evidence of it.

Focusing on these questions, these possibilities, it really helps put our existence into perspective and highlights just how bad we're doing as a species.

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by Bobby. on Apr 1st, 2021 at 10:48am

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 10:16am:
There is a much deeper discussion to be had there, but we're assuming life developed to intelligence equal to or greater than our own. 

If it had, it could just be the vastness of the universe and the speed limit that, as constrained as we are with our current intelligence, cannot be exceeded.

There are many possibilities out there, to other life in the universe, past and present, to the reasons why we're yet to find any evidence of it.

Focusing on these questions, these possibilities, it really helps put our existence into perspective and highlights just how bad we're doing as a species.



There is also nothing which forces life to become
as intelligent as humans -
by that I mean smart enough to discover radio communication.

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by Belgarion on Apr 1st, 2021 at 11:10am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 9:40am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 9:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2021 at 8:07pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 3:26pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:13pm:
There has to be other life out there in the universe, intelligent or otherwise, we can't be the only fluke of nature.

But grainy poor quality photos of UFO's only prove one thing, the person claiming it is a UFO is mistaking the "Unknown" un UFO for "it's Aliens!"


I am certain that there is other sentient life out there, ...


Based on what, exactly?

What makes you so certain?


We can't be certain, but it happened on earth.  Are we really that special that out of all the 100 billion galaxies, the billion trillions of stars and countless planets, life also didn't find a way out there?

I don't think so.


Yes, I understand the argument, but it's not based on anything logical or practical.

It's just, "The universe is so big, surely we can't be the only ones".


It is based on logic. We know that there are stars similar to our own sun and that they have planets, therefore it is logical to suppose that life could develop there just as it did here.  Even in other star systems  dissimilar to our own there is no reason that life in forms unknown to us could not develop.

However as I noted before, we are simply too far apart to ever make contact, therefore this will all remain theoretical, although if we discover some primitive form of life on Mars or another planet in our solar system it will give the theories more weight.   

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 1st, 2021 at 11:14am

Belgarion wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 11:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 9:40am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 9:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2021 at 8:07pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 3:26pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:13pm:
There has to be other life out there in the universe, intelligent or otherwise, we can't be the only fluke of nature.

But grainy poor quality photos of UFO's only prove one thing, the person claiming it is a UFO is mistaking the "Unknown" un UFO for "it's Aliens!"


I am certain that there is other sentient life out there, ...


Based on what, exactly?

What makes you so certain?


We can't be certain, but it happened on earth.  Are we really that special that out of all the 100 billion galaxies, the billion trillions of stars and countless planets, life also didn't find a way out there?

I don't think so.


Yes, I understand the argument, but it's not based on anything logical or practical.

It's just, "The universe is so big, surely we can't be the only ones".


It is based on logic. We know that there are stars similar to our own sun and that they have planets, therefore it is logical to suppose that life could develop there just as it did here.  Even in other star systems  dissimilar to our own there is no reason that life in forms unknown to us could not develop.

However as I noted before, we are simply too far apart to ever make contact, therefore this will all remain theoretical, although if we discover some primitive form of life on Mars or another planet in our solar system it will give the theories more weight.   


It's not based on logic at all.

It's based on wishful thinking.

I'd like to believe just as much as anyone else, but there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest intelligent life on other planets.


Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 1st, 2021 at 12:10pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 10:48am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 10:16am:
There is a much deeper discussion to be had there, but we're assuming life developed to intelligence equal to or greater than our own. 

If it had, it could just be the vastness of the universe and the speed limit that, as constrained as we are with our current intelligence, cannot be exceeded.

There are many possibilities out there, to other life in the universe, past and present, to the reasons why we're yet to find any evidence of it.

Focusing on these questions, these possibilities, it really helps put our existence into perspective and highlights just how bad we're doing as a species.



There is also nothing which forces life to become
as intelligent as humans -
by that I mean smart enough to discover radio communication.


One could argue since it's happened to us, it is the inevitable outcome thanks to evolution. 

But no matter how small the odds and every little historical event that lead to us, from the configuration of our solar system and Jupiter's pull shielding us from so many asteroids to the ones that made it through ending past periods that gave rise to the mammals and eventually us, the size of our planet, our type of star and the distance to it, surely, no matter the minuscule odds of this happening, the countless stars and solar systems must have repeated this elsewhere out there.

Say the chance of our specific circumstances is 1 in 300 billion, that pretty much means, we are the only life in the Milkyway.

But there are another 100 billion galaxies estimated to be in the universe, so another 100 billion chances for life, more of they are bigger galaxies?

The odds of there being no other life out there are just so small that there has to be, but we are yet to find evidence of it. 

So many assumptions, like life on Earth, originated here and we weren't seeded by a comet, or there is only a universe, not a multiverse.  At each step of the process, it's more and more likely that there is life out there, somewhere. 

But even Proxima B, the closest Earth-like planet, that's something like 4 light-years away, impossible for us to reach, but if it had life, if it had intelligent life, you'd like to think we would have at least detected it.

So an earth-like planet may not be enough, they may be early on in their life cycle and only have microorganisms or even only bacteria in its oceans or nothing.  Or have creatures similar to the dinosaurs?

In galactic terms it's a similar age to earth but the star only a red dwarf.  It's earth-like but not "life creating-like".

Or, the seed comet never impacted.

So many questions.


Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 1st, 2021 at 12:26pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 12:10pm:
The odds of there being no other life out there are just so small that there has to be ... 


That's not based on any sound mathematical, scientific, or empirical evidence though.




Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by AiA on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 10:19pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 12:26pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 12:10pm:
The odds of there being no other life out there are just so small that there has to be ... 


That's not based on any sound mathematical, scientific, or empirical evidence though.


and there may never be any

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Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by Bobby. on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 10:31pm

AiA wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 10:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 12:26pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 12:10pm:
The odds of there being no other life out there are just so small that there has to be ... 


That's not based on any sound mathematical, scientific, or empirical evidence though.


and there may never be any

If Aliens Contact Us, We Won't Understand


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I read that article - it's full of holes.

Mathematics is a language that any advanced civilisation would understand.


Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by AiA on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 10:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 10:31pm:
[quote author=AiA_in_Atlanta link=1205814519/28#28 date=1617365997][quote


full of holes.


speaking of holes, what ever happened to Master Light. He always said how much he loved your hole.

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 10:37pm

easel wrote on Mar 18th, 2008 at 2:28pm:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/unusual-tales/call-for-inquiry-as-pilot-says-he-touched-one/2007/11/13/1194766648633.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1


Flashback to 1981 ... seen over Vancouver Island in British Columbia and made public by the British Ministry of Defence in 2006.

November 13, 2007 - 2:16PM

A group of former pilots who have recounted seeing strange phenomena in the sky has demanded the US government reopen an investigation into UFOs.

Several pilots offered dramatic accounts of witnessing UFOs - including a transparent flying disc and a triangular craft with mysterious markings - as they insisted their questions needed to be taken seriously more than 30 years after the US file was closed.

"We want the US government to stop perpetuating the myth that all UFOs can be explained away in down-to-earth, conventional terms," said Fife Symington, former governor of Arizona and air force pilot who says he saw a UFO in 1997.

"Instead our country needs to reopen its official investigation that it shut down in 1969," Symington said.

"We believe that for reasons of both national security and flight safety, every country should make an effort to identify any object in its airspace," said a statement from the 19 former pilots and government officials from around the world.

The subject of UFOs came up in a recent debate among US presidential candidates, with Democrat Dennis Kucinich saying he once saw a UFO - making him the object of ridicule and jokes by late night television comedians.

Sceptics say UFO sightings are merely aircraft, satellites or meteors re-entering the Earth's atmosphere.

But the retired pilots spoke to a sympathetic audience of UFO "believers" who heard them recall their encounters with seemingly other-worldly objects appearing out of the sky.

"Nothing in my training prepared me for what we were witnessing," said James Penniston, a retired US Air Force pilot, as he described seeing and touching a UFO when he was stationed at a British air base in Woodbridge.

He said he saw an inexplicable triangular craft in a clearing in the woods with "blue and yellow lights swirling around the exterior".

The UFO was "warm to the touch and felt like metal," Penniston said. One side of the craft had pictorial symbols and "the largest symbol was a triangle, which was centred in the middle of the others," he said.

Then after 45 minutes the light from the object "began to intensify" and it then "shot off at an unbelievable speed" before 80 Air Force personnel, he said. "In my logbook, I wrote 'speed: impossible'."

Rodrigo Bravo from Chile's air force said UFOs needed to be studied but lamented that the media often belittle the sightings.

"Sadly the UFO subject has been contaminated with false information, out of touch with reality, provided by unqualified people to the media," Bravo said.

"One of our most important civil aviation cases occurred in 1988, showing that unidentified flying objects can be a danger for air operations," he said.

"A Boeing 737 pilot on a final approach to the runway at the Puerto Montt airport suddenly encountered a large white light surrounded by green and red."

The pilot took a sharp turn to avoid a collision, according to Bravo.

The panel included a former Iranian fighter pilot, Parviz Jafari, who said in 1976 he tried in vain to fire from his jet at an "object which was flashing with intense red, green, orange and blue light" over Tehran.

But when he approached, "my weapons jammed and my radio communications garbled".

A former Air France captain, Jean-Charles Duboc, said in 1994 he and his crew saw "a huge flying disc" near Paris with a diameter of about 300 metres that left no sign on radar.

The disc "became transparent and disappeared in about 10 to 20 seconds," Duboc said.

The former pilot said like other major airlines Air France was mindful of its image and it was difficult to raise the subject of UFOs.

A former official with the Federal Aviation Administration, John Callahan, said government agencies discourage inquiries into UFOs.

"'Who believes in UFOs?' is the kind of attitude of the FAA all the time," he said.

"However, when I asked the CIA person: 'What do you think it was,' he responded 'a UFO'."

When Callahan suggested the government tell Americans about a UFO, the CIA official allegedly told him: "'No way, if we were to tell the American public there are UFOs they would panic."'

AFP



I agree, it was a UFO.

It was flying, it was an object, they could not identify it.

Title: Re: I touched a UFO: ex-air force pilot
Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 18th, 2021 at 1:56am
It was probably a frisbee. And he wondered why it got bigger and bigger the closer it came. Then it hit him...

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