Pauline Hanson will deliver her first formal address to the National Press Club in Canberra on June 17, 2026, marking a significant milestone in her three-decade political career.  This appearance comes as One Nation surges to 29% in primary polling, surpassing both Labor and the Coalition, with Hanson herself overtaking Prime Minister Anthony Albanese as the preferred prime minister.

High stakes and scrutiny define the event, with analysts viewing it as a critical test of whether Hanson can transition One Nation from a protest movement into a legitimate alternative government.  While her ally Barnaby Joyce has warned her to prepare for aggressive "steak knife" questioning from the press gallery, Hanson intends to use the platform to outline long-term policies rather than just attacking major parties. Left-wing protesters are expected to rally outside the venue in Barton, though ACT Policing has stated that only peaceful demonstration will be tolerated.

Key policy areas Hanson is expected to address or has recently highlighted include:

Halving the fuel excise and cutting electricity prices by 20%.
Legislating income splitting for families and tax relief for self-funded retirees.
Reducing beer excise and increasing Medicare rebates.
Defining One Nation's stance on immigration and economic management amidst cost-of-living pressures.

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Will ON vote against the rights of women over their bodies ?

Nine in 10 Australians support abortion access, as SA revisits laws to restrict abortion

Almost nine in 10 Australians support access to abortion, according to new research released as South Australia makes a third attempt to introduce new restrictions on terminations after 25 weeks.

Independent upper house MLC Sarah Game, formerly of One Nation, has introduced a bill that would effectively ban abortions after 25 weeks unless the procedure is necessary to save the life of the woman.

Under current laws, terminations after 23 weeks require the approval of two doctors, who must determine that continuing the pregnancy would pose a risk to the woman’s physical or mental health, or that there are serious fetal abnormalities.

“There are efforts to erode access to abortion care across multiple states and to turn women’s health into a political lightning rod, including the bill before South Australia’s upper house,” said Ebony Bennett, deputy director of the Australia Institute.

This will be the third time in less than two years that SA’s parliament has debated late-term abortion laws, but the first since the upper house was reshaped by the 2026 election to include three new One Nation members and another Greens representative.

The think tank said the proposed laws were part of a wider international push to restrict access to terminations.

https://thepoint.com.au/new/260617-nine-in-10-australians-support-abortion-access-as-sa-revisits-laws-to-restrict-abortion



As academic, Prudence Flowers pointed out in The Conversation, in the 1990s One Nation founder Pauline Hanson once believed, “it is every woman’s right to determine her own body”.

In 2020 it adopted a “pro-life policy”.

This is their current policy ...

Pro-Life

Pauline Hanson’s One Nation acknowledges the scientific fact that a human being’s life begins in the womb.

We were horrified when State Governments passed legislation which legalised abortion up until birth for any reason. This law is one of the most extreme in the western world.

One Nation will seek every opportunity to roll back brutal and extreme abortion law so that both unborn babies and pregnant women will have a level of legal and medical protection once again.

One Nation will:

Reduce the gestational limit for abortions - Current legislation in some states allows the abortion of an unborn child up until the day of birth.

Ban sex-selective abortion - Sex-selective abortion is the practice of terminating a pregnancy based upon the predicted sex of a child. The selective abortion of female fetuses is most common where male children are valued over females.

Implement counselling and other safeguards - Women who may be considering an abortion must be provided counselling and compassionate assistance.

Medical care for babies born alive during an abortion - Neonatal care must be provided to babies born alive during an abortion, as would be given to any other child born at the same stage of pregnancy and in the same medical condition.

Anaesthetised abortion - Current procedures across Australia only offer the mother anaesthetic when performing a surgical abortion.
Restore Doctor’s Rights - Reinstitute a doctor’s full right to a full conscientious objection to abortion.

Ban organ harvesting - Prevent the use of aborted baby organs.

Mandate data reporting - Current legislation fails to report abortion rates in some states.

https://www.onenation.org.au/pro-life

In some states abortions are legal up to full gestation*.

I note that only about 1% of abortions happen after 23 weeks.

Personally, I think abortions should be allowed without restriction, but I can see that banning "gender based" abortions would be a good move.

* Full-Term/Very Late Stage: In jurisdictions like New South Wales, Queensland, and South Australia, abortions can be performed up to full term, but only under highly specific medical circumstances and following rigorous multidisciplinary assessment (such as severe fetal anomalies or a threat to the mother's life/well-being)

Seems reasonable to me.

Under current laws, terminations after 23 weeks require the approval of two doctors, who must determine that continuing the pregnancy would pose a risk to the woman’s physical or mental health, or that there are serious fetal abnormalities.


ON supports socialising the cost of care for serious fetal abnormalities, their entire existence of suffering. .

ON are communists under the bed ?

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When I say "Seems reasonable to me."

I mean the current settings:

Full-Term/Very Late Stage: In jurisdictions like New South Wales, Queensland, and South Australia, abortions can be performed up to full term, but only under highly specific medical circumstances and following rigorous multidisciplinary assessment (such as severe fetal anomalies or a threat to the mother's life/well-being)

I don't support ON policy on removing the right to abortion in late stage.


However, I will be voting for them in the hope that they get rid of Albo and Gomer.  ;)

In any case, the laws on abortion are mostly state based so I don't see ON federally being able to do much about that.

Even in the states, if they were able to form a coalition government, I reckon they would have an awfully hard time trying to change abortion laws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wABBhgMGEvY

https://thenightly.com.au/politics/pauline-hansons-full-speech-at-the-national-press-club--c-22444111

Full speech:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88bTeVMLJ-8

Pauline Hanson opposes a pay rise for workers.

Some would prefer more moderate pay rises and lower inflation.

BTW ... I see Labor has had to cough up another $3.6 Billion for childcare workers over the next 2 years. (15% pay rise)

Not included in the budget.  :o

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 17^th, 2026 at 3:24pm:

Pauline Hanson opposes a pay rise for workers.

Yes, but in the context of ON's low energy prices (achieved via Oz's vast gas and coal reserves) and low immigration, and hence low inflation, low interest rates,  affordable housing, and low cost of living.

She gave a spirited address to the NPC today, without any mistakes - unlike Barnaby who garbled ON's housing policy last week.

My own view re renewables is they should be funded by ex nihilo money creation in the World Bank/IMF**, and dispersed according to each nation's capacity to transition to the green economy, since zero emissions is a global requirement.

**because taxpayers can't afford the $trillions required to build the smart grid and renewables storage necessary to replace 24/7 fossil power. )

But Pauline:  Oz doesn't have large oil reserves, so we would still need to import expensive petrol and diesel - another reason to go green where possible.   

That banner was brilliant!    ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWmLh9SFBiQ

Well done, GetUp!

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 17^th, 2026 at 4:06pm:

That banner was brilliant!    ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWmLh9SFBiQ Well done, GetUp!

I disagree.

Apparently the NPC executives had no idea about the stunt - the poster was torn down after a minute (I dont think Pauline even saw it.)

Couldn't see the bottom bit, apparently accusing Pauline of accepting a large wage increase - which is handed to all politicians via an independent body.

The real problem for ON is the fossil-based  economy is on the way out - the rest of the world (even many US states in Trump's America) is moving on.

Otherwise she presented cogent arguments.

Meanwhile, your acceptance of the mainstream balanced govt. budget delusion is the reason why all political parties around the globe are on the nose ... a fate ON won't be able to escape if it is ever elected. 

https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=63230

Can capitalism survive? Not if we want to solve the climate and poverty crisis

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 17^th, 2026 at 4:29pm:

... - the poster was torn down after a minute ...

But the video will be on the internet forever   :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWmLh9SFBiQ

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 17^th, 2026 at 4:46pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 17th, 2026 at 4:29pm: ... - the poster was torn down after a minute ... But the video will be on the internet forever   :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWmLh9SFBiQ

Just as your ignorance of what is causing the collapse in support for ALL political parties is apparently entrenched...

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 17^th, 2026 at 3:53pm:

My own view re renewables is they should be funded by ex nihilo money creation in the World Bank/IMF**, and dispersed according to each nation's capacity to transition to the green economy, since zero emissions is a global requirement.

Where exactly are zero emissions a global requirement? ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 17^th, 2026 at 4:46pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 17th, 2026 at 4:29pm: ... - the poster was torn down after a minute ... But the video will be on the internet forever   :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWmLh9SFBiQ

You dopey clown, Pauline   ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao9lWNwH4VU

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 17^th, 2026 at 4:06pm:

That banner was brilliant!    ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWmLh9SFBiQ Well done, GetUp!

It was appalling.  But would else would you expect of David Sharaz and GetUp. 

How can you possibly plant a banner in such a setting and then unfurl it without security noticing?


What if it was a bomb?

It’s totally a security breach and people involved need to be arrested and charged.


Another ASIO failure and they continue to hide behind closed doors how the Bondi massacre happened!

Daves2017 wrote on Jun 17^th, 2026 at 9:11pm:

How can you possibly plant a banner in such a setting and then unfurl it without security noticing? What if it was a bomb? It’s totally a security breach and people involved need to be arrested and charged. Another ASIO failure and they continue to hide behind closed doors how the Bondi massacre happened!

Arrested for unfurling a banner?    ;D

What, exactly, would the crime be?

Daves2017 wrote on Jun 17^th, 2026 at 9:11pm:

How can you possibly plant a banner in such a setting and then unfurl it without security noticing? What if it was a bomb? It’s totally a security breach and people involved need to be arrested and charged. Another ASIO failure and they continue to hide behind closed doors how the Bondi massacre happened!

It was a massive security failure.

Heads should roll.

A vote for Pauline Hanson means a vote for no pay rises.  A vote for no penalty rates.  A vote to make it easier to sack workers.   :(   

whiteknight wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 6:18am:

A vote for Pauline Hanson means a vote for no pay rises.  A vote for no penalty rates.  A vote to make it easier to sack workers.   :(

Exactly.

She only cares about herself and Gina.

whiteknight wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 6:18am:

A vote for Pauline Hanson means a vote for no pay rises.  A vote for no penalty rates.  A vote to make it easier to sack workers.   :(

Pauline will stop mass, uncontrolled immigration -

that will give more jobs to real Aussies.

Pauline will stop all overseas tourists and athletes from entering the country for the Brisvegas Olympics.

No brown, black, yellow skinned people will win gold, silver, or bronze. 100% caucasian team from Australia


Monoculture at it's best ?

lee wrote on Jun 17^th, 2026 at 5:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 17th, 2026 at 3:53pm: My own view re renewables is they should be funded by ex nihilo money creation in the World Bank/IMF**, and dispersed according to each nation's capacity to transition to the green economy, since zero emissions is a global requirement. Where exactly are zero emissions a global requirement? ::)

if CO2 emissioms is a thing, and given earth has only one atmosphere.....

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 12:11pm:

if CO2 emissioms is a thing, and given earth has only one atmosphere.....

Ah yes. The old "IF" statements. ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 1:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 12:11pm: if CO2 emissioms is a thing, and given earth has only one atmosphere..... Ah yes. The old "IF" statements. ;D ;D ;D ;D

The movement to renewables is unstoppable; clean, non-polluted air, if not CO2 emissions, demands it. 

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 8:21am:

Pauline will stop all overseas tourists and athletes from entering the country for the Brisvegas Olympics. No brown, black, yellow skinned people will win gold, silver, or bronze. 100% caucasian team from Australia Monoculture at it's best ?

I gather from the NPC speech Pauline's  main beef is Islamists, she claims not to be racist.

Does 'mono-culture' rule out Greek/Chinese/Indian festivals?

I've got to admit I'm sick of 'welcome to country' and ABC programs  "brought to you from lands of the Dilanjari people" etc. etc. - cultural 'tokens' which I am forced to tolerate, unlike  festivals I can choose not to attend.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 7:57am:

whiteknight wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 6:18am: A vote for Pauline Hanson means a vote for no pay rises.  A vote for no penalty rates.  A vote to make it easier to sack workers.   :(    Exactly. She only cares about herself and Gina.

No; as she highlighted in her speech,  she cares about people who the Salvos revealed
are suffering in Oz owing to entrenched poverty; "disgraceful in a country as rich as Oz", she said.

I agree; but she wants everyone to be an 'aspirational'/'risk-taking' shop-keeper, not " lazy wage-earner/workers" - reflecting RW ideology. 

You? 

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 1:37pm:

lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 1:24pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 12:11pm: if CO2 emissioms is a thing, and given earth has only one atmosphere..... Ah yes. The old "IF" statements. ;D ;D ;D ;D The movement to renewables is unstoppable; clean, non-polluted air, if not CO2 emissions, demands it.

Them you should be able to show which countries make the reneables 100% fossil free.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 2:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 7:57am: whiteknight wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 6:18am: A vote for Pauline Hanson means a vote for no pay rises.  A vote for no penalty rates.  A vote to make it easier to sack workers.   :(    Exactly. She only cares about herself and Gina. No; as she highlighted in her speech,  she cares about people who the Salvos revealed are suffering in Oz owing to entrenched poverty; "disgraceful in a country as rich as Oz", she said.

She lied, to get votes.

Hanson is now in bed with the corrupt elite.

She couldn't care less about anyone else but herself.

And, of course, her puppet master - Gina Rinehart.

She certainly doesn't care about people living in poverty - she just looks down on them when she flies over their houses in Gina's private jet.

Votes, money, and power - those are her primary concerns.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 2:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 2:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 7:57am: whiteknight wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 6:18am: A vote for Pauline Hanson means a vote for no pay rises.  A vote for no penalty rates.  A vote to make it easier to sack workers.   :(    Exactly. She only cares about herself and Gina. No; as she highlighted in her speech,  she cares about people who the Salvos revealed are suffering in Oz owing to entrenched poverty; "disgraceful in a country as rich as Oz", she said. She lied, to get votes.

How is it "lying" , when repeating  Salvo's confirmed stats about poverty in Oz?


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Hanson is now in bed with the corrupt elite.

 

Admittedly she's not the sharpest tool in the box, and her RW ideology re 'deserving workers' is abhorrent - and a match for Gina.


Quote:

She couldn't care less about anyone else but herself.

You think her outrage re poverty in Oz is confected?

What is YOUR vew of poverty in Oz, 4 years after the election of Albo?


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And, of course, her puppet master - Gina Rinehart. She certainly doesn't care about people living in poverty - she just looks down on them when she flies over their houses in Gina's private jet.

Got it, but I'm giving her the benefit of a doubt re that point, as do the people who now outnumber Labor supporters....ouch.   


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Votes, money, and power - those are her primary concerns.

At least half the population are gravely concerned about poverty, c-o-l and housing pressures, which the Labor-Coalition 'sensible centre' haven't been able to address in the last 2 decades.

Hence the rise of the Populist Right, among voters disillusioned by the 'sensible centre'.

[The sociailst Left is in utter disarray, given low taxation is now de rigueur, in our post-Keynesian/deficit spending era, hence the Greens' vote remains stuck c.10%.]

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 3:49pm:

How is it "lying" , when repeating  Salvo's confirmed stats about poverty in Oz?

I didn't say that was a lie.

This is a lie: "she cares about people who the Salvos revealed are suffering".

Complete and utter bullshit.

She cares about Pauline & Gina.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 3:51pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 3:49pm: How is it "lying" , when repeating  Salvo's confirmed stats about poverty in Oz?  I didn't say that was a lie. This is a lie: "she cares about people who the Salvos revealed are suffering". Complete and utter bullshit. She cares about Pauline & Gina.

Already addressed in the rest of my post - which you ignored.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 3:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 3:51pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 3:49pm: How is it "lying" , when repeating  Salvo's confirmed stats about poverty in Oz?  I didn't say that was a lie. This is a lie: "she cares about people who the Salvos revealed are suffering". Complete and utter bullshit. She cares about Pauline & Gina. Already addressed in the rest of my post - which you ignored.

Yes. She lied.

At least we can agree on that.

Cheers.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 3:55pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 3:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 3:51pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 3:49pm: How is it "lying" , when repeating  Salvo's confirmed stats about poverty in Oz?  I didn't say that was a lie. This is a lie: "she cares about people who the Salvos revealed are suffering". Complete and utter bullshit. She cares about Pauline & Gina. Already addressed in the rest of my post - which you ignored. Yes. She lied. At least we can agree on that. Cheers.

I said I'm giving her the benefit of a doubt re her genuine concerns about poverty, c-o-l and housing in Oz.

The fact remains - and the reason  for ON's rise -  is she is highlighting the financial pressures affecting a majority of the population.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 3:49pm:

At least half the population are gravely concerned about poverty, c-o-l and housing pressures, which the Labor-Coalition 'sensible centre' haven't been able to address in the last 2 decades. Hence the rise of the Populist Right, among voters disillusioned by the 'sensible centre'. [The sociailst Left is in utter disarray, given low taxation is now de rigueur, in our post-Keynesian/deficit spending era, hence the Greens' vote remains stuck c.10%.]

Re Greens:

The UK Greens are extreme and repellent. They differ from the Australian Greens in only one respect. They’ve become the quasi-Islamist party. The Greens are not only the party of inner-city middle-class white radicals, like most Green parties, they’ve become the party of Islamist solidarity and rage.

That Islamist aspect is coming into Australian politics, too. Islamists  are colonising the lefties in Labor  - Burqa, Wong, Albo - and the Greens  - Faruqi - as well as promoting their own candidates - Payme, man. They colonise even ON - Virgo.




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thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 4:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 3:55pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 3:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 3:51pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 3:49pm: How is it "lying" , when repeating  Salvo's confirmed stats about poverty in Oz?  I didn't say that was a lie. This is a lie: "she cares about people who the Salvos revealed are suffering". Complete and utter bullshit. She cares about Pauline & Gina. Already addressed in the rest of my post - which you ignored. Yes. She lied. At least we can agree on that. Cheers. I said I'm giving her the benefit of a doubt re her genuine concerns about poverty, c-o-l and housing in Oz. The fact remains - and the reason  for ON's rise -  is she is highlighting the financial pressures affecting a majority of the population.

You can't reason with someone as stupid as greg, Pauline cares about Gina and that is perfectly normal and intelligent, she also cares about the people that are finding it difficult to grow and thats perfectly normal. Most people do care about both, we need Gina's investment for the jobs she provides. Over 4000 mine workers and countless others that rely on her businesses plus many more that rely on them. Yes everyone can tell you how they are much smarter then her and could run her business much better than her but they are not because they only care about themselves.

;D

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/g1rp9rkAdha6W3cvk03wMg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTI0MDA7aD0xNjAwO2NmPXdlYnA-/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/6a_pp5O8XEv0zX6yIyGSEQ--~B/aD0xMDAwO3c9MTUwMDthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://d29szjachogqwa.cloudfront.net/images/user-uploaded/hanson-bannr-spash_2297.jpg

Groundhog Day. ::)

lee wrote on Jun 21^st, 2026 at 12:58pm:

Groundhog Day. ::)

She's no oil painting, I'll give you that.

But calling her a groundhog isn't fair ... to groundhogs.

https://bestlifeonline.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/01/groundhog-yawning.jpg

Leroy wrote on Jun 21^st, 2026 at 10:07am:

You can't reason with someone as stupid as greg,  they only care about themselves.

Posted this in the Post of the Day thread

To prove the very point, thin skinned slanderous creepy gweggy deleted it.

He can slander, lie, creep everyone out but all him out, he goes all Bbwiyawnesque milk monitor.
Pathetic.

https://archive.is/20260612190258/https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/let-them-eat-cake-anthony-albaneses-marie-antoinette-moment/news-story/eef66a50af71306e6d8cd0827193745e

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Bobby. wrote on Jun 21^st, 2026 at 7:33pm:

https://archive.is/20260612190258/https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/let-them-eat-cake-anthony-albaneses-marie-antoinette-moment/news-story/eef66a50af71306e6d8cd0827193745e https://m3.gab.com/preview_cards/images/060/791/682/original/554da6fddfb5e9c0.png

Just as Marie Antoinette didn’t realise there was a revolution under way until it cost her head, Albanese seems oblivious to the social and political revolution that’s under way in Australia.

More than just a “shift to One Nation”. More than just “protest votes”. That’s lazy thinking; that’s mechanical, structural and possibly self-protective thinking.

This is not just a massive cohort of the electorate throwing a tantrum.

It’s easy to see how Albanese and – I assume – the ALP machine have been caught out by this. Hubris and arrogance aside, they have failed to pause long enough to understand the why than react to the what. Increasingly I find myself adopting this posture: stop, listen, observe, discern the times.

The response to this federal budget has been savage, unanimous and relentless. Watching the fallout gain momentum and heat has been like watching a free climber trying to scale El Capitan during a storm. I can’t turn away.

And yes, Labor seems incapable of understanding what’s happening around it. The party hasn’t figured it out. It’s not just a protest vote, it’s not just people saying I’ve had a gutful of the majors.

This is a revolution. A political and social shifting of the sands in a way Australia has not seen before.

Marie Antoinette said let them eat cake. Albanese? He says let them pay tax; let Australian citizens pay more tax on their investments than foreign entities. Let non-citizens access Australia’s first home buyers scheme and take any capital gain they may make back to their country of birth.

Let Australians carry the fat of the largest per capita public sector workforce in the world.

Let them be force-fed far-left ideology and accept the repatriation of Islamic State sympathisers at a cost of $2m a week for monitoring.

Let Australians be “indistinguishable”, in the Prime Minister’s own words, from non-citizens.

What did anyone think would happen, I wondered this week. There is always a tipping point and I’ve pondered what that may be for our nation.

Former Coalition deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce, now a One Nation MP, said this week that the Bondi Beach massacre was the political bomb that accelerated support for One Nation. He’s probably right, but the revolution started before that and it has been a cumulative build. Like a wave that starts in far-flung parts of the ocean and is visible only just before it crashes to shore.

Let me explain.

It started when normal people were expected to believe that men could be women; when our sex discrimination laws failed to protect women and girls, and we were told disagreeing was discrimination.

When Australians battling the rising cost of living and the drop in real wages see Labor ministers such as Anika Wells caught not once but four times breaching parliamentary travel expenses rules and still keeping her job. Despite being ordered to pay back more than $10,000. Every Australian knows that for us normal folk in the real world, that would mean getting fired and facing charges.

It started when the federal Veterans Affairs Minister cut funding for the family of a Victoria Cross recipient in the same year he flew his wife business class to attend the races in Sydney on the taxpayers’ dime.

Albanese calls misleading Australians “changing my position”.  Prime Minister, nobody believes you.

The federal budget was the tipping point, in my view. All of the sneering smallness of this government, all of its double standards, largesse and overspending, all of it is wrapped up and captured by this socialist wrecking ball of a policy set.

This revolution started years ago, quietly and slowly. Now? It sounds like thunder and it’s not stopping. Pauline Hanson’s One Nation is the lightning rod. The vehicle, if you like. Labor doesn’t have a clue how to respond. Why would it? That would require truth, courage, consistency and trust.

What’s more, this is a government that’s spooked. Why else would every minister and backbencher be energetically and publicly demonising the One Nation leader? It’s not the strategy you think it is. You may as well be running a membership campaign for her.

The Prime Minister’s legendary glass jaw has never been so fragile. Australia’s popular and sensible centrist Labor premiers have criticised his budget to a fault and have warned him of the consequences, messages delivered with varying degrees of subtlety. Albanese is fast becoming a pariah with all but the members of his own far-left faction.

One of the fundamental problems with this Prime Minister and his Treasurer, and to be fair most of the cabinet, is they have never lived a real existence. They are captured by politics. They are isolated from the people they work for (that’s us, by the way). How else would they have delivered such a fundamentally immoral budget?

Jim Chalmers has never been so dangerously out of his depth, his shortcomings never so obvious and glaring.

This is a budget position that threatens to torch Australia if the Senate doesn’t do its job and keep these particular bastards honest.

Let us eat cake?

Albanese, whose first term in government was marked by a seemingly endless round of sporting events, music festivals, concerts and the like, seems bewildered by his fall from grace. How could he get it?

As one former Canberra operative observed to me this week, how could they know how bad this budget is? None of them has ever done anything hard in their lives.

There is one thing the political left will do anything for: power. Whatever it takes, remember? That’s the Labor Party motto. Why should anyone be surprised by this government’s duplicity? Well, the revolution is here. The social revolution, that is. And it feels like it’s the “take no prisoners” kind. The kind that doesn’t care about offending political sensitivities or up-ending the way things have always been,

Blessedly, this revolution is not one of bloodshed or violence. There are no baying mobs (yet) there are no guillotines set up in the Place de la Revolution – not literally, at least.

There may yet be a political bloodbath to come.

;D

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 10:04am:

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Thanks for helping Pauline, thin-skinned, slanderous lying creep. Keep it up, keep helping her.

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Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 10:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 21st, 2026 at 7:33pm: https://archive.is/20260612190258/https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/let-them-eat-cake-anthony-albaneses-marie-antoinette-moment/news-story/eef66a50af71306e6d8cd0827193745e https://m3.gab.com/preview_cards/images/060/791/682/original/554da6fddfb5e9c0.png Just as Marie Antoinette didn’t realise there was a revolution under way until it cost her head, Albanese seems oblivious to the social and political revolution that’s under way in Australia. More than just a “shift to One Nation”. More than just “protest votes”. That’s lazy thinking; that’s mechanical, structural and possibly self-protective thinking. This is not just a massive cohort of the electorate throwing a tantrum. It’s easy to see how Albanese and – I assume – the ALP machine have been caught out by this. Hubris and arrogance aside, they have failed to pause long enough to understand the why than react to the what. Increasingly I find myself adopting this posture: stop, listen, observe, discern the times. The response to this federal budget has been savage, unanimous and relentless. Watching the fallout gain momentum and heat has been like watching a free climber trying to scale El Capitan during a storm. I can’t turn away. And yes, Labor seems incapable of understanding what’s happening around it. The party hasn’t figured it out. It’s not just a protest vote, it’s not just people saying I’ve had a gutful of the majors. This is a revolution. A political and social shifting of the sands in a way Australia has not seen before. Marie Antoinette said let them eat cake. Albanese? He says let them pay tax; let Australian citizens pay more tax on their investments than foreign entities. Let non-citizens access Australia’s first home buyers scheme and take any capital gain they may make back to their country of birth. Let Australians carry the fat of the largest per capita public sector workforce in the world. Let them be force-fed far-left ideology and accept the repatriation of Islamic State sympathisers at a cost of $2m a week for monitoring. Let Australians be “indistinguishable”, in the Prime Minister’s own words, from non-citizens. What did anyone think would happen, I wondered this week. There is always a tipping point and I’ve pondered what that may be for our nation. Former Coalition deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce, now a One Nation MP, said this week that the Bondi Beach massacre was the political bomb that accelerated support for One Nation. He’s probably right, but the revolution started before that and it has been a cumulative build. Like a wave that starts in far-flung parts of the ocean and is visible only just before it crashes to shore. Let me explain. It started when normal people were expected to believe that men could be women; when our sex discrimination laws failed to protect women and girls, and we were told disagreeing was discrimination. When Australians battling the rising cost of living and the drop in real wages see Labor ministers such as Anika Wells caught not once but four times breaching parliamentary travel expenses rules and still keeping her job. Despite being ordered to pay back more than $10,000. Every Australian knows that for us normal folk in the real world, that would mean getting fired and facing charges. It started when the federal Veterans Affairs Minister cut funding for the family of a Victoria Cross recipient in the same year he flew his wife business class to attend the races in Sydney on the taxpayers’ dime. Albanese calls misleading Australians “changing my position”.  Prime Minister, nobody believes you. The federal budget was the tipping point, in my view. All of the sneering smallness of this government, all of its double standards, largesse and overspending, all of it is wrapped up and captured by this socialist wrecking ball of a policy set. This revolution started years ago, quietly and slowly. Now? It sounds like thunder and it’s not stopping. Pauline Hanson’s One Nation is the lightning rod. The vehicle, if you like. Labor doesn’t have a clue how to respond. Why would it? That would require truth, courage, consistency and trust. What’s more, this is a government that’s spooked. Why else would every minister and backbencher be energetically and publicly demonising the One Nation leader? It’s not the strategy you think it is. You may as well be running a membership campaign for her. The Prime Minister’s legendary glass jaw has never been so fragile. Australia’s popular and sensible centrist Labor premiers have criticised his budget to a fault and have warned him of the consequences, messages delivered with varying degrees of subtlety. Albanese is fast becoming a pariah with all but the members of his own far-left faction.

Albo is finished.


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One of the fundamental problems with this Prime Minister and his Treasurer, and to be fair most of the cabinet, is they have never lived a real existence. They are captured by politics. They are isolated from the people they work for (that’s us, by the way). How else would they have delivered such a fundamentally immoral budget?

Jim Chalmers has never been so dangerously out of his depth, his shortcomings never so obvious and glaring.

This is a budget position that threatens to torch Australia if the Senate doesn’t do its job and keep these particular bastards honest.

Let us eat cake?

Albanese, whose first term in government was marked by a seemingly endless round of sporting events, music festivals, concerts and the like, seems bewildered by his fall from grace. How could he get it?

As one former Canberra operative observed to me this week, how could they know how bad this budget is? None of them has ever done anything hard in their lives.

There is one thing the political left will do anything for: power. Whatever it takes, remember? That’s the Labor Party motto. Why should anyone be surprised by this government’s duplicity? Well, the revolution is here. The social revolution, that is. And it feels like it’s the “take no prisoners” kind. The kind that doesn’t care about offending political sensitivities or up-ending the way things have always been,

Blessedly, this revolution is not one of bloodshed or violence. There are no baying mobs (yet) there are no guillotines set up in the Place de la Revolution – not literally, at least.

There may yet be a political bloodbath to come.

Date: 22 June 2026

Senator Hanson, you say you're a battler.

But battlers don't fly on Gina Rinehart's private jet. Battlers don't stay at $66 million mansions. Battlers don't fail to declare their private business interests for years, in breach of parliamentary rules.

We demand full disclosure of your business interests, shareholdings, and directorships – as required by parliamentary rules. We demand a Senate investigation – and a move to censure for these failings. We demand you explain your relationship with Gina Rinehart and Donald Trump – and what, if anything, has been promised in return for their support.

You owe Australians the truth.

Senator Hanson: Please explain.

Albo thinks men could be women.

He's not a homo is he?

Not that ......

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 10:44am:

Albo thinks men could be women. He's not a homo is he? Not that ......

Are you a homo, Bobby?

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 10:44am:

Albo thinks men could be women. He's not a homo is he? Not that ......

Is this you, Bobby?   :-/

I might hide my small penis, but at least not by owning a gun
I might not be homosexual, but I've slept with a guy who's one
I might agree with Jesus, but I've got no religious belief
At least I clean the drops up when I piss on the toilet seat

https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/tax/controversial-income-splitting-scheme-revived-to-slash-family-tax-bills/news-story/b270030572b90f73115aac9bbfe1fdf8

“ Controversial income splitting scheme revived to slash family tax bills

Australian families could save nearly $10,000 in tax under a policy available to people around the world – but not here.”

This is going to be popular!?!

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 11:07am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22nd, 2026 at 10:44am: Albo thinks men could be women. He's not a homo is he? Not that ...... Are you a homo, Bobby?

No - are you?

Not that .....

lee wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 2:20pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 1:37pm: lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 1:24pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 12:11pm: if CO2 emissioms is a thing, and given earth has only one atmosphere..... Ah yes. The old "IF" statements. ;D ;D ;D ;D The movement to renewables is unstoppable; clean, non-polluted air, if not CO2 emissions, demands it.  Them you should be able to show which countries make the reneables 100% fossil free.

Poor crippled-brain lee - logic is not his thing: movement toward net-zero emissions- agreed by most nations and already achieved by some (ask google) is ongoing, even if profit-gouging private companies are fighting all the way, to protect their filthy-fossil profits.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 3:45pm:

lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 2:20pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 1:37pm: lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 1:24pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 12:11pm: if CO2 emissioms is a thing, and given earth has only one atmosphere..... Ah yes. The old "IF" statements. ;D ;D ;D ;D The movement to renewables is unstoppable; clean, non-polluted air, if not CO2 emissions, demands it.  Them you should be able to show which countries make the reneables 100% fossil free. Poor crippled-brain lee - logic is not his thing: ...

Not to mention apostrophes.

Frank wrote on Jun 21^st, 2026 at 9:31am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 3:49pm: At least half the population are gravely concerned about poverty, c-o-l and housing pressures, which the Labor-Coalition 'sensible centre' haven't been able to address in the last 2 decades. Hence the rise of the Populist Right, among voters disillusioned by the 'sensible centre'. [The sociailst Left is in utter disarray, given low taxation is now de rigueur, in our post-Keynesian/deficit spending era, hence the Greens' vote remains stuck c.10%.] Re Greens: The UK Greens are extreme and repellent. They differ from the Australian Greens in only one respect. They’ve become the quasi-Islamist party. The Greens are not only the party of inner-city middle-class white radicals, like most Green parties, they’ve become the party of Islamist solidarity and rage. That Islamist aspect is coming into Australian politics, too. Islamists  are colonising the lefties in Labor  - Burqa, Wong, Albo - and the Greens  - Faruqi - as well as promoting their own candidates - Payme, man. They colonise even ON - Virgo. .

To say Albo and Wong are islamists is laughable.

Islamists would sanction the genocidal, UN-defying state of israel even though Israel only exists because of the UN's bungled creation of a new state. 

So ...back to Pauline, who has to explain how she will deal with the c-o-l and housing crises in Oz.

Cutting immigration alone won't fix it because unemployed Oz workers will still need to be trained and employed - which costs public money.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 3:45pm:

Poor crippled-brain lee - logic is not his thing: movement toward net-zero emissions- agreed by most nations and already achieved by some (ask google) is ongoing, even if profit-gouging private companies are fighting all the way, to protect their filthy-fossil profits.

So exactly which manufacturing nations have achieved net zero, apart from those few countries with a wealth of hydro.

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 10:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 21st, 2026 at 7:33pm: https://archive.is/20260612190258/https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/let-them-eat-cake-anthony-albaneses-marie-antoinette-moment/news-story/eef66a50af71306e6d8cd0827193745e https://m3.gab.com/preview_cards/images/060/791/682/original/554da6fddfb5e9c0.png Just as Marie Antoinette didn’t realise there was a revolution under way until it cost her head, Albanese seems oblivious to the social and political revolution that’s under way in Australia. More than just a “shift to One Nation”. More than just “protest votes”. That’s lazy thinking; that’s mechanical, structural and possibly self-protective thinking. This is not just a massive cohort of the electorate throwing a tantrum. It’s easy to see how Albanese and – I assume – the ALP machine have been caught out by this. Hubris and arrogance aside, they have failed to pause long enough to understand the why than react to the what. Increasingly I find myself adopting this posture: stop, listen, observe, discern the times.

So far so good...but it's from "The Australian"....let's read on....


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The response to this federal budget has been savage, unanimous and relentless. Watching the fallout gain momentum and heat has been like watching a free climber trying to scale El Capitan during a storm. I can’t turn away. And yes, Labor seems incapable of understanding what’s happening around it. The party hasn’t figured it out. It’s not just a protest vote, it’s not just people saying I’ve had a gutful of the majors. This is a revolution. A political and social shifting of the sands in a way Australia has not seen before.

The problem around the entire globe is Neoliberal privatization orthodoxy which ousted Keynesian deficit spending, because economists in the 70s couldn't account for supply push inflation and the resulting 'stagflation' during the Arab oil shock,  and hence they demanded lower spending by governments.  Your Oz reporter knows nothing of this.
Let's read on:


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Marie Antoinette said let them eat cake.

And the King ignored the advice of one of his economists to raise taxes on the wealthy - and they both lost their heads in a violent revolution. 


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Albanese? He says let them pay tax; let Australian citizens pay more tax on their investments than foreign entities.

The issue is taxes on investments versus taxes on wages, the system favours the former. 



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Let non-citizens access Australia’s first home buyers scheme and take any capital gain they may make back to their country of birth.

 

Small bikkies.


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Let Australians carry the fat of the largest per capita public sector workforce in the world.

Ideological drivel; the public service was much larger under  Menzies in the Keynesian  deficit spending era -  with real full employment and housing for everyone.


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Let them be force-fed far-left ideology and accept the repatriation of Islamic State sympathisers at a cost of $2m a week for monitoring.

'Far-left ideology'...when Albo is REDUCING taxes on wages.


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Let Australians be “indistinguishable”, in the Prime Minister’s own words, from non-citizens. What did anyone think would happen, I wondered this week. There is always a tipping point and I’ve pondered what that may be for our nation. Former Coalition deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce, now a One Nation MP, said this week that the Bondi Beach massacre was the political bomb that accelerated support for One Nation. He’s probably right, but the revolution started before that and it has been a cumulative build. Like a wave that starts in far-flung parts of the ocean and is visible only just before it crashes to shore. Let me explain.

Well, his explanation will be mostly GIGO, given his Neoliberal bias (cont).

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 1:37pm:

lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 1:24pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 12:11pm: if CO2 emissioms is a thing, and given earth has only one atmosphere..... Ah yes. The old "IF" statements. ;D ;D ;D ;D The movement to renewables is unstoppable; clean, non-polluted air, if not CO2 emissions, demands it.

CO2 is not a pollutant. It is invisible, odourless plant food.
We pump it into greenhouses, you, know, to stimulate the tulips and toes of the toma-toes.

Anyway, the cost and effeciveness of renewables is the issue. The urgency that is used to justify the exorbitant amounts spent on renewables is a manufactured panic, started by Al Gore and his cohort. They have been proven wrong at every turn but the Chris Bowels of this world carry on as if the Gore-invented panic was still justified. It ain' and hasn't been for about 20 years.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 4:29pm:

The issue is taxes on investments versus taxes on wages, the system favours the former.

So If Marie and her husband, self-funded retirees,  have investments and get the 30% for the taxes paid under the current system there is no tax to be paid as they are under the assets limit. Once these new changes go through, if her husband dies, as a single and is over the assets limit, and must pay tax. That would mean she has to pay 30% tax on her shares, even tough the underlying value of the shares hasn't changed. If the dividend is $15k, she now must pay $5k in tax, something that would normally only be payable by someone in a higher tax bracket.

How does that favour her?

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 10:00am:

(cont). Let me explain. It started when normal people were expected to believe that men could be women; when our sex discrimination laws failed to protect women and girls, and we were told disagreeing was discrimination.

Culture war nonsense, a diversion from Neoliberal economic dysfunction.


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When Australians battling the rising cost of living and the drop in real wages see Labor ministers such as Anika Wells caught not once but four times breaching parliamentary travel expenses rules and still keeping her job. Despite being ordered to pay back more than $10,000. Every Australian knows that for us normal folk in the real world, that would mean getting fired and facing charges.

Yes, but the government's 'welfare' budget is more than $300 billion annually...and your corresspondent is a penny-pinching liar:

(google)

Federal Minister for Communications and Sports Anika Wells repaid $10,116 to taxpayers—which included a 25 per cent penalty loading—after an independent audit by the Independent Parliamentary Expenses Authority found four of her family travel claims breached expenses rules


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It started when the federal Veterans Affairs Minister cut funding for the family of a Victoria Cross recipient in the same year he flew his wife business class to attend the races in Sydney on the taxpayers’ dime.

More penny-pinching outrage drivel; and Coalition MPs are no better.


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Albanese calls misleading Australians “changing my position”.  Prime Minister, nobody believes you. The federal budget was the tipping point, in my view. All of the sneering smallness of this government, all of its double standards, largesse and overspending, all of it is wrapped up and captured by this socialist wrecking ball of a policy set.

"Overspending" on what? Medicare? Age care? Infrastructure?


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This revolution started years ago, quietly and slowly. Now? It sounds like thunder and it’s not stopping. Pauline Hanson’s One Nation is the lightning rod. The vehicle, if you like. Labor doesn’t have a clue how to respond. Why would it? That would require truth, courage, consistency and trust.

The problem is Labor has fallen for Neoliberal orthodoxy, and ON won't be able to explain how it will fund pensioners, medicare, the aged, public education, and full employment in a c-o-l crisis. 


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What’s more, this is a government that’s spooked. Why else would every minister and backbencher be energetically and publicly demonising the One Nation leader? It’s not the strategy you think it is. You may as well be running a membership campaign for her.

Yes -- like I said, Labor is committed to Neoliberalism  - and is tying itself in knots. But ON will prove it has no policies to raise living standards for all, apart from reducing immigration.


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The Prime Minister’s legendary glass jaw has never been so fragile. Australia’s popular and sensible centrist Labor premiers have criticised his budget to a fault and have warned him of the consequences, messages delivered with varying degrees of subtlety. Albanese is fast becoming a pariah with all but the members of his own far-left faction.

No, neoliberal Albo is a pariah WITH his far left faction...trust the Oz to get it back to front...

Speaking of taxes:

(Daily Mail)

With Starmer a dead man walking, allies of Burnham say it's time to break manifesto promises

Andy Burnham is being urged to tear up Labour's tax pledges,  to fund his costly spending plans.

The challenger to Sir Keir Starmer's leadership made a series of expensive commitments during his by-election campaign – but is yet to set out how he will fund them.

While fighting for the Makerfield seat, Mr Burnham said he would honour Labour's manifesto tax pledges, which include not raising income tax, National Insurance or VAT


But allies of the new MP are now pushing him to drop the pledge or risk being 'hamstrung' in office.

The Prime Minister's position was hanging by a thread last night and an announcement that Sir Keir will step down to make way for Mr Burnham could come as soon as today.

Labour ministers and MPs on the Left of the party have rallied around Mr Burnham – including his right-hand woman Louise Haigh, Anneliese Midgley, who helped to run his campaign, and Energy Secretary Ed Miliband.

One pro-Burnham minister told the Daily Mail: 'That manifesto was written at a certain point in time but so much has changed. I think Andy has an opportunity to say he's a new PM and in order to bring about real change, it is going to require some big changes.

'That includes on tax, where he is going to need to raise revenues to deal with the huge pressures in defence, in the NHS, in getting our high streets where they need to be... I think if we stick to those tax pledges he is going to be hamstrung from the start and people could become disillusioned very quickly.'

Hmm...advice to raise taxes....that's a novelty for a neoliberal-captured  labour party.... 

It seems not only the far right are on the rise; the far left is making an appearance, eg, in NY (Mamdani),  and now Burnham, possibly the UK's new PM (not  Farage...). 

But the same question applies as for the far right: how are they going to fund the promises which got them elected? 

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 5:10pm:

Hmm...advice to raise taxes....that's a novelty for a neoliberal-captured  labour party.

yep. on top of the subsidies for renewables which go to the big end of town, but tell anybody that. You know the subsidies that increase the price of electricity. The rich don't suffer, they can soak it up. ::)

lee wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 5:15pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22nd, 2026 at 5:10pm: Hmm...advice to raise taxes....that's a novelty for a neoliberal-captured  labour party. yep. on top of the subsidies for renewables which go to the big end of town, but tell anybody that. You know the subsidies that increase the price of electricity. The rich don't suffer, they can soak it up. ::)

And your solution to fund an economy which works for all - as eg, Mamdani, Burnham, Farage and Pauline are promising, to get elected? 

Note: reverting to burning coal by price gouging fossil companies won't fix the current political malaise around the globe. 

I have two different policies, to fund the governance which dislllusioned electorates around the globe want:

1. Raise taxes on the wealthy, as necessary to create satisfaction re governance amongst a significant majority of the electorate,

or

2. Authorize governments to utilize their currency-issuing capacity to create money to fund essential servces, while avoiding inflation (via price controls, and planning re resource utilization in the public and private sectors.

You?    

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 5:36pm:

1. Raise taxes on the wealthy, as necessary to create satisfaction re governance amongst a significant majority of the electorate, or 2. Authorize governments to utilize their currency-issuing capacity to create money to fund essential servces, while avoiding inflation (via price controls, and planning re resource utilization in the public and private sectors.

https://i.postimg.cc/zXJ7QvyK/Screenshot-2026-06-22-064334.png

You don't fix politics by calling for renewables to become a de facto energy standard. ;)

lee wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 5:47pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22nd, 2026 at 5:36pm: 1. Raise taxes on the wealthy, as necessary to create satisfaction re governance amongst a significant majority of the electorate, or 2. Authorize governments to utilize their currency-issuing capacity to create money to fund essential servces, while avoiding inflation (via price controls, and planning re resource utilization in the public and private sectors. https://i.postimg.cc/zXJ7QvyK/Screenshot-2026-06-22-064334.png You don't fix politics by calling for renewables to become a de facto energy standard. ;)

1. Did you miss my edit:

"Note: reverting to burning coal by price-gouging filthy-fossil companies won't fix the current political malaise around the globe.

2. Fossil electricity was largely funded via the public sector, in the pre-neoliberal, Keynesian deficit-spending era (1946 - 1970s), hence the cheap energy, that is - until the Arab oil embargo which caused 'stagflation' and the demise of Keynesian deficit spending.

Educate yourself.   

3.  Do you imagine you addressed my post in any way - namely,  which government policies will create satisfaction among a sizable majority, which is the topic of this thread - 'Pauline, please explain!'.

You too mentally incompetant to present some policies which will overcome the current global political malaise, caused by conflicting ideology re  'tax or not to tax'....? 

The Great Parrot understands nothing excep that government shpuld just print money to pay for everything.

Everything else is lizzard-brained neocon wizardry.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 6:11pm:

2. Fossil electricity was largely funded via the public sector, in the pre-neoliberal, Keynesian deficit-spending era (1946 - 1970s), hence the cheap energy, that is - until the Arab oil embargo which caused 'stagflation' and the demise of Keynesian deficit spending.

Rubbish. In Australia it was mainly coal, either black or lignite, nothing to do with oil.

How about you educate yourself. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 6:11pm:

You too mentally incompetant to present some policies which will overcome the current global political malaise, caused by conflicting ideology re  'tax or not to tax'....?

And your only solutions are to tax or print money - each with their own limitations. ::)

What happens when you run out of other people's money? You think politicians will find something else?

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 6:14pm:

The Great Parrot understands nothing excep that government shpuld just print money to pay for everything. Everything else is lizzard-brained neocon wizardry.

'Socialist' neocon wizardry - please explain...? Unless you mean neoliberalism is "lizzard  brained" - which it is. 

As for "printing money", I already said an alternative policy is to tax the rich so government can deliver the essentials for all without taxing average wage earners.   

In any case, the same question to you as to the mentally incompetent lee  (I see he is still  banging on about renewables - as if reversion to private fossil exploitation will solve the current global political malaise):

What government policies will create satisfaction among a sizable majority, which is the topic of this thread - 'Pauline, please explain!'.

You also too mentally incompetent to state some policies which will overcome the current global political malaise, caused by conflicting ideology re 'tax or not to tax'....?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 8:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2026 at 6:14pm: The Great Parrot understands nothing excep that government shpuld just print money to pay for everything. Everything else is lizzard-brained neocon wizardry. 'Socialist' neocon wizardry - please explain...? Unless you mean neoliberalism is "lizzard  brained" - which it is.  As for "printing money", I already said an alternative policy is to tax the rich so government can deliver the essentials for all without taxing average wage earners.    In any case, the same question to you as to the mentally incompetent lee  (I see he is still  banging on about renewables - as if reversion to private fossil exploitation will solve the current global political malaise): What government policies will create satisfaction among a sizable majority, which is the topic of this thread - 'Pauline, please explain!'. You also too mentally incompetent to state some policies which will overcome the current global political malaise, caused by conflicting ideology re 'tax or not to tax'....?

Today's word (like everyday's word) is

MONOMANIAC.


It takes maniacs like you, pal, to distil the world into a single mania.

Because you are hopelessly simple minded, you need the world to make sense through a single lense, the only lense - yours.


You are an idiot. Militantly, monomaniacally so.

lee wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 6:51pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22nd, 2026 at 6:11pm: 2. Fossil electricity was largely funded via the public sector, in the pre-neoliberal, Keynesian deficit-spending era (1946 - 1970s), hence the cheap energy, that is - until the Arab oil embargo which caused 'stagflation' and the demise of Keynesian deficit spending. Rubbish. In Australia it was mainly coal, either black or lignite, nothing to do with oil.

 

Crippled brain lee: fossil energy includes coal. 
I mentioned the Arab oil embargo as the reason for the triumph of neoliberalism over Keynesianism, in the 70s. 

Fun fact: Liberal SA premier Sir Thomas Playford nationalized the electriciry supply based on cleap brown coal at Leigh Creek.

(google)

The Adelaide Electric Supply Company was nationalised in September 1946.Premier Tom Playford initiated the takeover to form the Electricity Trust of South Australia (ETSA). This Labor PM Ben Chifley helped fund, allowing the state to use local Leigh Creek coal and expand power production.


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And your only solutions are to tax or print money - each with their own limitations. ::)

You still haven't presented YOUR policies to achieve somewhat lasting majority support for an elected government, necessary to overcome the current global political malaise.


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What happens when you run out of other people's money? You think politicians will find something else?

Eventually politicians will wake up to the fact they either have to tax the rich, or create  public money (not 'taxpayer' money) while avoiding inflation.

Unless you can tell us how politicians can fund essential services the public expect from their government.

oh - I forgot, you are too mentally incompetent to even begin to suggest some policies  which don't involve taxing or printing money, and yet will satisfy Pauline's "battlers".

TGD,

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Eventually politicians will wake up to the fact they either have to tax the rich, or create  public money (not 'taxpayer' money) while avoiding inflation.

It's people on average money that are paying the lion's share of tax -

many large companies pay zero tax.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 8:39pm:

TGD, Quote: Eventually politicians will wake up to the fact they either have to tax the rich, or create  public money (not 'taxpayer' money) while avoiding inflation. It's people on average money that are paying the lion's share of tax - many large companies pay zero tax.

Correct, hence 'tax the rich' policies including taxing multi-national gas companies,  promoted by the Greens and the Australia Institute.

lee says taxes are "other people's money".

Can you assist Frank and lee with an alternative (non-tax) policy... and let Pauline know as well, so she can assist Oz "battlers" she claims to represent, without raising taxes on said battlers?

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 8:25pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22nd, 2026 at 8:01pm: Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2026 at 6:14pm: The Great Parrot understands nothing excep that government shpuld just print money to pay for everything. Everything else is lizzard-brained neocon wizardry. 'Socialist' neocon wizardry - please explain...? Unless you mean neoliberalism is "lizzard  brained" - which it is.  As for "printing money", I already said an alternative policy is to tax the rich so government can deliver the essentials for all without taxing average wage earners.    In any case, the same question to you as to the mentally incompetent lee  (I see he is still  banging on about renewables - as if reversion to private fossil exploitation will solve the current global political malaise): What government policies will create satisfaction among a sizable majority, which is the topic of this thread - 'Pauline, please explain!'. You also too mentally incompetent to state some policies which will overcome the current global political malaise, caused by conflicting ideology re 'tax or not to tax'....? Today's word (like everyday's word) is MONOMANIAC. It takes maniacs like you, pal, to distil the world into a single mania. Because you are hopelessly simple minded, you need the world to make sense through a single lense, the only lense - yours. You are an idiot. Militantly, monomaniacally so.

Can you generously suggest a non-taxing method, to support Pauline's 'battlers' who are innocently/ignorantly flocking to her in droves?

Then I will cease being a 'militant monomaniac'. 

Note: the 'sensible centre' has long since abandoned the "battlers", hence  the  current global political malaise.



 

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 9:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2026 at 8:25pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22nd, 2026 at 8:01pm: Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2026 at 6:14pm: The Great Parrot understands nothing excep that government shpuld just print money to pay for everything. Everything else is lizzard-brained neocon wizardry. 'Socialist' neocon wizardry - please explain...? Unless you mean neoliberalism is "lizzard  brained" - which it is.  As for "printing money", I already said an alternative policy is to tax the rich so government can deliver the essentials for all without taxing average wage earners.    In any case, the same question to you as to the mentally incompetent lee  (I see he is still  banging on about renewables - as if reversion to private fossil exploitation will solve the current global political malaise): What government policies will create satisfaction among a sizable majority, which is the topic of this thread - 'Pauline, please explain!'. You also too mentally incompetent to state some policies which will overcome the current global political malaise, caused by conflicting ideology re 'tax or not to tax'....? Today's word (like everyday's word) is MONOMANIAC. It takes maniacs like you, pal, to distil the world into a single mania. Because you are hopelessly simple minded, you need the world to make sense through a single lense, the only lense - yours. You are an idiot. Militantly, monomaniacally so. Can you generously suggest a non-taxing method, to support Pauline's 'battlers' who are innocently/ignorantly flocking to her in droves? Then I will cease being a 'militant monomaniac'.  Note: the 'sensible centre' has long since abandoned the "battlers", hence  the  current global political malaise.

I'll get back to you when I know what the ***k you are on about. Please hold breath untl then.

Well this has certainly turned into a debate for intellectualises.

I’ll see myself out 😞

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 8:35pm:

Crippled brain lee: fossil energy includes coal. I mentioned the Arab oil embargo as the reason for the triumph of neoliberalism over Keynesianism, in the 70s.

Yes and that was oil, so nothing to do with coal. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 8:35pm:

Fun fact: Liberal SA premier Sir Thomas Playford nationalized the electriciry supply based on cleap brown coal at Leigh Creek.

And now Adelaide has one of the more expensive electricity rate, not on coal. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 8:35pm:

You still haven't presented YOUR policies to achieve somewhat lasting majority support for an elected government, necessary to overcome the current global political malaise.

The only policies we need are honest politicians, that will overcome the "political malaise". You are confusing politics and economics, they may be intertwined, they are not the same. ::)

Don Farrell: Labor must stick to the centre to see off One Nation
The senior cabinet minister echoes Barnaby Joyce’s call that the December terrorist attack ignited One Nation as he makes the case for the federal government to abandon “woke” virtue-signalling.

"Labor must stick to the centre to see off One Nation."

Huh?

You mean they are planning on moving from the far left back to the centre?  ;)

Captain Nemo wrote on Jun 24^th, 2026 at 10:31am:

"Labor must stick to the centre to see off One Nation." Huh? You mean they are planning on moving from the far left back to the centre?  ;)

Labor have just done a deal with the Greens - again - to get their shyte so called "taxation reforms" through Parliament.

The handbrake has failed ... as Australia plummets to the bottom.

Pauline Hanson claims Nine is “trying to sack” breakfast television host Karl Stefanovic after over his interview with prominent British activist Tommy Robinson after the vision of the sit down was disappeared from digital multiple platforms carrying his eponymous Karl Stefanovic Show overnight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXiVDSv31GY

Reposting breakfast show host’s interview with Robinson shorty after 8am on Wednesday, Hanson claimed: “It looks like they’re trying to sack my good friend Karl Stefanovic for this video with Tommy Robinson!”

Karl who?   :-/

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 9:23pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22nd, 2026 at 9:02pm: Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2026 at 8:25pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22nd, 2026 at 8:01pm: Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2026 at 6:14pm: The Great Parrot understands nothing excep that government shpuld just print money to pay for everything. Everything else is lizzard-brained neocon wizardry. 'Socialist' neocon wizardry - please explain...? Unless you mean neoliberalism is "lizzard  brained" - which it is.  As for "printing money", I already said an alternative policy is to tax the rich so government can deliver the essentials for all without taxing average wage earners.    In any case, the same question to you as to the mentally incompetent lee  (I see he is still  banging on about renewables - as if reversion to private fossil exploitation will solve the current global political malaise): What government policies will create satisfaction among a sizable majority, which is the topic of this thread - 'Pauline, please explain!'. You also too mentally incompetent to state some policies which will overcome the current global political malaise, caused by conflicting ideology re 'tax or not to tax'....? Today's word (like everyday's word) is MONOMANIAC. It takes maniacs like you, pal, to distil the world into a single mania. Because you are hopelessly simple minded, you need the world to make sense through a single lense, the only lense - yours. You are an idiot. Militantly, monomaniacally so. Can you generously suggest a non-taxing method, to support Pauline's 'battlers' who are innocently/ignorantly flocking to her in droves? Then I will cease being a 'militant monomaniac'.  Note: the 'sensible centre' has long since abandoned the "battlers", hence  the  current global political malaise. I'll get back to you when I know what the ***k you are on about. Please hold breath untl then.

You didn't understand my question?

Let's try again, using different words to the original, namely "Can you generously suggest a non-taxing method, to support Pauline's 'battlers' who are innocently/ignorantly flocking to her in droves"....


Let's try:  What is your policy to enable government to support the 'battlers' who (according to latest polls) are abandoning the Coalition AND Labor , without raising taxes? 

btw, the same question is currently being asked of 'socialist' Burnham in the UK, rather than 'Reform' (ON's equivalent), because the 'socialist' beat the 'extreme Rght ("Reform)" in the Manchester election.

lee wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2026 at 12:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22nd, 2026 at 8:35pm: Crippled brain lee: fossil energy includes coal. I mentioned the Arab oil embargo as the reason for the triumph of neoliberalism over Keynesianism, in the 70s.  Yes and that was oil, so nothing to do with coal. ::)

1. Crippled brain lee: SA Premier Playford nationalized the coal industry because

(google)

The private utility company refused to extend electricity networks into rural and regional areas, prioritizing only profitable urban markets. Nationalization allowed the state to build the required infrastructure to foster statewide agricultural and industrial growth

2. The Arab oid embargo in the 7O's crashed the 1946-1970's Keynesian 'deficit-spending' economic system (under which Playford was governing) in favour of Neoliberalism, which requires low taxes and "small government" (low spending)  -  which has led to the current political malaise around the globe, because governments can't fund the services  the 'battlers' want.

That's why ON - the "Populist Right"  (as opposed to the 'centre' Coaltion) now has c.30% of the primary vote.

3.  The only way coal would reduce prices in Oz now would be under nationalization, as in Playford's time, because private companies need profits, whereas  the state doesn't need profits, it needs to promote economic development (Playford's goal in SA). 

4. Oz has gas reserves, not oil.


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And now Adelaide has one of the more expensive electricity rate, not on coal. ::)

Crippled brain lee:

"The Electricity Trust of South Australia (ETSA), the state-owned monopoly provider, was privatized in 1999 by the Liberal state government under Premier John Olsen". 

And today governments everywhere  need to renationalize the power industry, to fund the needed smart grid and storage to utilize renewables  - provided for free by the sun and wind.



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The only policies we need are honest politicians, that will overcome the "political malaise". You are confusing politics and economics, they may be intertwined, they are not the same. ::)

1. You are still refusing to identify what the policies of "honest" polticians should be, in order to serve the electorate including the 'battlers' who polls show are very angry with mainstream politicians - whether honest or dishonest. 

ie how can pollies do their job without raising taxes - thereby avoiding the current global political malaise?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 24^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

2. The Arab oid embargo in the 7O's crashed the 1946-1970's Keynesian 'deficit-spending' economic system (under which Playford was governing) in favour of Neoliberalism, which requires low taxes and "small government" (low spending)  -  which has led to the current political malaise around the globe, because governments can't fund the services  the 'battlers' want.

And MMT would magically fix it. ;D ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 24^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

3.  The only way coal would reduce prices in Oz now would be under nationalization, as in Playford's time, because private companies need profits, whereas  the state doesn't need profits, it needs to promote economic development (Playford's goal in SA).

How would nationalisation reducethe cost. We know the heavy hand of governbment increases cost. Any supposed savings would be eaten up by union demands. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 24^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

4. Oz has gas reserves, not oil.

Actually it has both.

"Map shows brutal truth about Australia’s fuel crisis as the country sits on 42 years’ worth of oil reserves"

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/map-shows-brutal-truth-about-australias-fuel-crisis-as-the-country-sits-on-42-years-worth-of-oil-reserves/news-story/0718f571527495efef5eb91fd69017d3

you should try removing your blinkers. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 24^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

And today governments everywhere  need to renationalize the power industry, to fund the needed smart grid and storage to utilize renewables  - provided for free by the sun and wind.

Yes wind and sun are free. the coillection, transmision,storage  etc are not. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 24^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

1. You are still refusing to identify what the policies of "honest" polticians should be, in order to serve the electorate including the 'battlers' who polls show are very angry with mainstream politicians - whether honest or dishonest. ie how can pollies do their job without raising taxes - thereby avoiding the current global political malaise?

You claim MMT will solve it, Job done. ;D ;D ;D ;D
.

Daves2017 wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2026 at 10:10pm:

Well this has certainly turned into a debate for intellectualises. I’ll see myself out 😞

So you should .... you should make an appointment with your doctor to get some ointment for your sore balls from straddling both side of the fence. ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2026 at 12:15pm:

Karl who?   :-/

Peccarhead who?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 24^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

lee wrote on Jun 23rd, 2026 at 12:58pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 22nd, 2026 at 8:35pm: Crippled brain lee: fossil energy includes coal. I mentioned the Arab oil embargo as the reason for the triumph of neoliberalism over Keynesianism, in the 70s.  Yes and that was oil, so nothing to do with coal. ::) 1. Crippled brain lee: SA Premier Playford nationalized the coal industry because (google) The private utility company refused to extend electricity networks into rural and regional areas, prioritizing only profitable urban markets. Nationalization allowed the state to build the required infrastructure to foster statewide agricultural and industrial growth 2. The Arab oid embargo in the 7O's crashed the 1946-1970's Keynesian 'deficit-spending' economic system (under which Playford was governing) in favour of Neoliberalism, which requires low taxes and "small government" (low spending)  -  which has led to the current political malaise around the globe, because governments can't fund the services  the 'battlers' want. That's why ON - the "Populist Right"  (as opposed to the 'centre' Coaltion) now has c.30% of the primary vote. 3.  The only way coal would reduce prices in Oz now would be under nationalization, as in Playford's time, because private companies need profits, whereas  the state doesn't need profits, it needs to promote economic development (Playford's goal in SA).  4. Oz has gas reserves, not oil. Quote: And now Adelaide has one of the more expensive electricity rate, not on coal. ::) Crippled brain lee: "The Electricity Trust of South Australia (ETSA), the state-owned monopoly provider, was privatized in 1999 by the Liberal state government under Premier John Olsen".  And today governments everywhere  need to renationalize the power industry, to fund the needed smart grid and storage to utilize renewables  - provided for free by the sun and wind. [quote]The only policies we need are honest politicians, that will overcome the "political malaise". You are confusing politics and economics, they may be intertwined, they are not the same. ::)

1. You are still refusing to identify what the policies of "honest" polticians should be, in order to serve the electorate including the 'battlers' who polls show are very angry with mainstream politicians - whether honest or dishonest. 

ie how can pollies do their job without raising taxes - thereby avoiding the current global political malaise?
[/quote]

You dumb phuk - Australia exports about 96% of its domestically produced crude oil and condensate, averaging roughly 227,000 barrels per day.

You are making an artform of talking through your arse.

Gnads wrote on Jun 24^th, 2026 at 6:28pm:

1. You - like lee - are still refusing to identify what the policies of "honest" polticians should be, in order to serve the electorate including the 'battlers' who polls show are very angry with mainstream politicians - whether honest or dishonest.  ie how can pollies do their job without raising taxes - thereby avoiding the current global political malaise?

You dumb phuk - Australia exports about 96% of its domestically produced crude oil and condensate, averaging roughly 227,000 barrels per day.
You are making an artform of talking through your arse.[/quote]



1. (google)

Domestic production of crude is insufficient, and existing Australian refineries require different blends of crude oils (often heavier crudes) to process into usable transport fuels like petrol, diesel, and jet fuel. Because of this, Australia heavily relies on foreign imports of both crude feedstock and refined petroleum products to meet domestic demand.



So Oz's net oil trade is in deficit - a cost to the nation.

And while Oz is one of the largest gas exporters,  Oz gains the least from this trade; the govt. even allows gas to be sold to Japan which then on sells at a profirt...madness.

(google)

"Japan even collects more tax revenue from these imports than the Australian government collects in royalties."

....

So back to the question I asked of Frank and and lee (quoted above):
Your new chum Pauline (even further Right than the Coalition) will urgently need your suggestions if she is to maintain her upward trajectory in the polls, at the expense of the mainstream "small government" (ie low taxes, privatizationl Lab/Lib)  parties. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 25^th, 2026 at 12:59pm:

1. (google) Domestic production of crude is insufficient, and existing Australian refineries require different blends of crude oils (often heavier crudes) to process into usable transport fuels like petrol, diesel, and jet fuel. Because of this, Australia heavily relies on foreign imports of both crude feedstock and refined petroleum products to meet domestic demand.

Which of course says nothing about the quality of the  unexplored deposits. ::)

lee wrote on Jun 24^th, 2026 at 3:35pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 24th, 2026 at 2:23pm: 2. The Arab oid embargo in the 7O's crashed the 1946-1970's Keynesian 'deficit-spending' economic system (under which Playford was governing) in favour of Neoliberalism, which requires low taxes and "small government" (low spending)  -  which has led to the current political malaise around the globe, because governments can't fund the services  the 'battlers' want. And MMT would magically fix it. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Think of the regrets the last generation on our cooked planet (cooked by AGW) will have, when they realize governments could have financed a transition to green energy for free.

This is the very reason govts are backsliding now (amid the political malaise around the globe); and even 'Red' Ed is considering backsliding on his no-gas-development plans:

(google)

"Red" Ed Miliband is a leading candidate to become the next Chancellor of the Exchequer if Andy Burnham becomes Prime Minister.

With Andy Burnham poised to potentially take over No 10 by July 17, a fierce debate has broken out over who will replace current Chancellor Rachel Reeves. Ed Miliband—who currently serves as the Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero—is being highly touted for the job. However, this potential move is causing intense division.

The Frontrunner: Miliband is a favorite of progressive economists who support his strong focus on net zero and green energy growth.

The Opposition: Leaders from major unions, such as Unite's Sharon Graham, strongly oppose his potential appointment. They argue his policies could hurt traditional industry jobs.

The Internal Split: Many moderate Labour MPs are also reportedly furious at the prospect, as it would likely push figures like Reeves and Pat McFadden to the backbenches.

Disunity - even within UK Labour itself, caused by how to create jobs for all, and fund the government, including net zero, while keeping taxes low....the cause of the current global political malaise.

A pity, as Bill Mitchell (MMT) writes in the latest MMT blog:

Replacing Starmer/Reeves with another captive of the finance sector will change nothing

Poor lee - a 'captive of the finance sector'; he doen't understand money is created 'ex  nihilo' (whether by govt., or private sector commercial banks); hopefully there is no sudden tipping point due to AGW-CO2, giving governments time to realize that there is no financial barrier preventing  governments from transitioning to a green economy. 



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How would nationalisation reducethe cost. We know the heavy hand of governbment increases cost. Any supposed savings would be eaten up by union demands. ::)

1. Profit is not required by the public sector.
2. Govt. CAN be good managers. eg via fixed contracts for the required task (lsck of which ios responsible for the  current NDIS private-sector managed debacle.



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Actually it has both. "Map shows brutal truth about Australia’s fuel crisis as the country sits on 42 years’ worth of oil reserves" https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/map-shows-brutal-truth-about-australias-fuel-crisis-as-the-country-sits-on-42-years-worth-of-oil-reserves/news-story/0718f571527495efef5eb91fd69017d3 you should try removing your blinkers. ::)

Already addressed in the previous post to Gnads. Private companies aren't interested in rebuliding Oz's refineries, and neoliberal 'low tax' govenments are finance constrained.

Meanwhile coal is declining as an export earner for Oz. (google it) 


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Yes wind and sun are free. the coillection, transmision,storage  etc are not. ::)

Addressed above: a green economy producing cheap electricity, expoiting free sun and wind, can be financed for free by the public sector.

Remove your ideological blinkers re money...even so, some private players are seeing the value in green investments, given the unstoppable movement to green, even in Trump's US.    


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You claim MMT will solve it, Job done. ;D ;D ;D ;D

And you - like Frank and Gnads still haven't dared - are too incapable - to suggest the govt. funding policies which Pauline urgently needs, to maintain her surging poll numbers, just as "red" Ed is already being called upon to outline his funding policies in the UK.

As Prof Bill Mitchell has noted...

lee wrote on Jun 25^th, 2026 at 1:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 25th, 2026 at 12:59pm: 1. (google) Domestic production of crude is insufficient, and existing Australian refineries require different blends of crude oils (often heavier crudes) to process into usable transport fuels like petrol, diesel, and jet fuel. Because of this, Australia heavily relies on foreign imports of both crude feedstock and refined petroleum products to meet domestic demand. Which of course says nothing about the quality of the  unexplored deposits. ::)

(google)

Australia's underground oil deposits (mostly found off the North West Shelf) are thin, light, and sweet.

Light /Thin: It is very low in density. This makes it highly premium because it is easy for refineries to turn into high-value products like petrol and jet fuel.

The Catch: Because Australian oil is too light, domestic refineries often need to mix it with thicker, heavier crude oils from the Middle East to make standard fuels like diesel.

And Oz has closed most of its refining capacity, because overseas refineries are  cheaper.

You want the Oz govt to increase debt/taxes to rebuild more expensive refineries producing more expensive filthy fossil fuels? 

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 25^th, 2026 at 2:11pm:

Australia's underground oil deposits (mostly found off the North West Shelf) are thin, light, and sweet.

Now tell us about the other unexplored deposits. ;)

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lee wrote on Jun 25^th, 2026 at 3:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 25th, 2026 at 2:11pm: Australia's underground oil deposits (mostly found off the North West Shelf) are thin, light, and sweet. Now tell us about the other unexplored deposits. ;)

Shale oil - will require fracking - I previously posted that coupla months ago..

https://www.ga.gov.au/aecr2025/oil#gallery-1

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/04/fracking-projects-in-nt-risk-exposing-people-to-cancer-and-birth-defects-report-finds

You must judge for yourself on the hazards and the source - there are many groups - mostly civilian or aligned with one version of reality or the other, who oppose fracking... I but the simple messenger.... look it all up for yourselves...

lee wrote on Jun 25^th, 2026 at 3:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 25th, 2026 at 2:11pm: Australia's underground oil deposits (mostly found off the North West Shelf) are thin, light, and sweet. Now tell us about the other unexplored deposits. ;)

No guarantees? And how will Oz fund the  rebuild of its refinery capacity, without increasing prices at the bowser?

Meanwhile, you are too mentally incompetent to advise Pauline how she can keep her "battlers" on-side, without increasing taxes.

Not even a wealth-tax on the ultra wealthy?

(See the latest MMT post.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1645944963/new

Oh - a wealth tax is  "socialism" - and Pauline hates socialism;  Neanderthal greed/survival instincts die hard...

So, how else to fund government without taxing the battlers, or leaving them to cope in a chronic c-o-l/housing crisis? 

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 12:54pm:

No guarantees?

Whoever said any business had a guarantee, let alone exploration. You are a dolt.


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 12:54pm:

And how will Oz fund the  rebuild of its refinery capacity, without increasing prices at the bowser?

The do it the same way other businesses do it. They amortise the business expense annually. And you are supposed to be a financial whiz? ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 12:54pm:

Meanwhile, you are too mentally incompetent to advise Pauline how she can keep her "battlers" on-side, without increasing taxes. Not even a wealth-tax on the ultra wealthy?

Are yes the old socialist take the wealthie's' money, until we are all poor. ;D ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 12:54pm:

(See the latest MMT post.

I don't read your dribble. You have no expertise. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 12:54pm:

Oh - a wealth tax is  "socialism" - and Pauline hates socialism;  Neanderthal greed/survival instincts die hard...

It is. If you give all the wealthies' money away, just once, where do you go next time? ::)

EG - if you taxed all Gina's $38 billion and shared it between Australia's adult population, they would get about $1900 each.


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 12:54pm:

So, how else to fund government without taxing the battlers, or leaving them to cope in a chronic c-o-l/housing crisis?

You keep telling us MMT is the answer. But you can't show it. It has never been done. ::)

Senator Hanson, you say you're a battler.

But battlers don't fly on Gina Rinehart's private jet. Battlers don't stay at $66 million mansions. Battlers don't fail to declare their private business interests for years, in breach of parliamentary rules.

We demand full disclosure of your business interests, shareholdings, and directorships – as required by parliamentary rules. We demand a Senate investigation – and a move to censure for these failings. We demand you explain your relationship with Gina Rinehart and Donald Trump – and what, if anything, has been promised in return for their support.

You owe Australians the truth.

Senator Hanson: Please explain.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 1:16pm:

But battlers don't fly on Gina Rinehart's private jet. Battlers don't stay at $66 million mansions.

It depends on whom the battler's friends are. ::)


greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 1:16pm:

Battlers don't fail to declare their private business interests for years, in breach of parliamentary rules.

So that means many Labor and Coalition members are not battlers either. Despite Labor being the battlers' party. Oh dear. ::)

A more considered post, a relief after lee's blind Neanderthal greed/survival- instinct-based ideology.  BUT......


Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 11:46am:

- Scientific / biological facts = far right

Ignoring the egregious effects of far Right Neanderthal, greed/survival-based instincts which are indeed real?


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Countries should have border controls = far right

Yes, in our world broken by Neanderthal greed/survival-based instincts which entrench poverty and war around much of the globe, resulting in a global refugee crisis. 


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Freedom of speech = far right

Fair enough; people are too easily offended by mere speech. 


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Want lower taxes = far right

Except that, in the current dominant Neoclassical economic orthodoxy  (ie "small government"/low taxes orthodoxy), even Labor is required to reduce taxes and reduce spending, to 'balance the budget'....at the expense of the low wage working class who are therefore abandoning Labor.


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Question the government = far right

Well, The Greens also "question " the government; they correctly point out the only way to overcome the housing affordabilty crisis is to build public housing for those on the average wage who will never be able to afford a house.


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Country has a right to defend itself = far right

A necessity in a world lacking enforcable international law.


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Capitalism = far right

And yet the post WW2 'Keynesian welfare state' era, during the 'golden age of capitalism' (1946-1970s) which increased  social well-being for all  (age-pension, universal health care etc), was capitalist (apart from the USSR).


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- Christianity = far right - Questioning big pharma = far right - Merit-based hiring, promotions and admissions = far right - Schools should focus on reading, writing and math = far right - Two-parent households are best for kids = far right - National pride / patriotism = far right - Support for the military and law enforcement = far right - Legal immigration with secure borders = far right - Western civilization and values are worth preserving = far right

I won't quibble, too much depends on definitions, eg "big pharma", "values"  etc. 


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Judge people by character not race = far right

Does Pauline judge people by "character not race"?



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- Parents have rights over their children’s upbringing = far right - Personal responsibility matters = far right - Men and women have biological differences = far right - Opposition to race-based quotas and DEI = far right - Colour-blind policies = far right - Nuclear energy and practical environmentalism = far right - Free speech includes ideas you dislike = far right - Traditional marriage is optimal for society = far right - Skepticism of massive government spending and debt = far right - Criticism of identity politics = far right - Objective truth exists = far right - Men in women’s sports is unfair = far right - Biological reality in sports and prisons = far right - Opposition to censorship = far right - Hard work and individual achievement = far right - Family values and stable families = far right - Opposition to LGBT alphabet ideology = far right - Protecting children from mutilation = far right - School choice and homeschooling = far right - Criticism of mainstream media = far right - All lives matter = far right - Classical liberalism = far right - National sovereignty over globalism = far right - Opposing Socialism and Communism = far right

Yes,  much of that is "far right' - and some of it is ideologly-based nonsense. 
...owing to unconscious Neanderthal greed/survival-based instincts.

Sad.

Admitedly the mainstream political left has been drawn into the 'culture wars' nonsense (hence the useless voice referendum)  but that's because they have abandoned the socially cohesive  'Keynesian welfare state' era which existed 1946-1970s.

Even "conservative"  Menzies ensured everyone had a house to live in, whether rented or mortgaged, go figure. 

lee wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 1:14pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26th, 2026 at 12:54pm: No guarantees? Whoever said any business had a guarantee, let alone exploration. You are a dolt.

Crippled-brain lee: he is apparently hoping ON can fund 'Pauline's  battlers' by searching for oil of unknown quantity and quality.
 

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The do it the same way other businesses do it. They amortise the business expense annually. And you are supposed to be a financial whiz? ::)

So "drill baby drill", except Oz can never compete with ME oil unless prices are high enough to make development of - possible - Oz oil economically viable, thereby increasing c-o-l pressures on average wage earners.

(google)

The Bass Strait oil reserves have not completely run out, but they are nearly gone.

After decades of heavy drilling since 1969, production has dropped by about 90 per cent. The vast majority of the easy-to-access crude oil has been extracted

What does this mean for Australia?

Because the Bass Strait oil fields have matured, Australia now relies on imported oil and refined fuels for the vast majority of its needs.

And any discoveries in Oz, compared with prospectively oil-rich regions around the globe  - are likely to exhibit Bass Strait-like reserves at best - which will be more expensive to extract (since the easy to get resreves are gone) and soon be  exhausted.

[Development/exploitation expenses in Oz are partly responsible  for Oz gas failing to make Oz rich like Qatar, a comparable gas exportor,  where extraction  costs are much lower....nnd lack of state ownership, as in Qatar....


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Are yes the old socialist take the wealthie's' money, until we are all poor. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Ah yes -  according to capitalism driven by neanderthal greed/individual survival instincts; the world has sufficient resources to accomodate Musk (provided he spends responsibly to develop the economy sustainably)  AND deliver  the essentials for all, via  good governance. 

Wake Up.


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I don't read your dribble. You have no expertise. ::)[/quoyte] Crippled brain lee: it not my dribble,  it's the work of thinking economists, and journalists commenting on the current global political malaise. [quote]It is. If you give all the wealthies' money away, just once, where do you go next time? ::)

Your error: c-i govts are not finance constrained, they don't need to tax or borrow interest-bearing money from the private sector, they can create money out of thin air - just like priavte sector banks do. 


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EG - if you taxed all Gina's $38 billion and shared it between Australia's adult population, they would get about $1900 each.

Which is why I don't propose taxing the rich***; I'm merely looking at how Pauline and Burnham can keep a majority of the electorate onside...the MMT article linked discusses current plans to fund Burnham's government, while Bill Mitchell examines the alternatives.   


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You keep telling us MMT is the answer. But you can't show it. It has never been done. ::)

Given there are sufficient resources which can be mobilized by the public sector, to ensure the essentials for all,  while accomodating  appropriate levels of  private sector mobilzation of resources (driven by individuals' self interest and 'aspiration' ),  funding government via free national treasury-issued money IS the answer, to solve the current political dysfunction and cost of living crises around the globe. 

But you - a greedy capitalist driven by Neanderthal individual survival instincts - see no reason to change the status quo.

Deplorable.

*** "Money doesn't grow on rich people": Stepahie Kelton....a witty rejoinder to the mainstream aphorism "money doesn't grow on trees".   

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 3:27pm:

he is apparently hoping ON can fund 'Pauline's  battlers' by searching for oil of unknown quantity and quality.

You are going deeper and deeper into your own quagmire. It is only "apparent" to you. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 3:27pm:

The Bass Strait oil reserves have not completely run out, but they are nearly gone. After decades of heavy drilling since 1969, production has dropped by about 90 per cent. The vast majority of the easy-to-access crude oil has been extracted

And I never said anything different. A typical strawman argument from you. Times change, processes change.

"Future Prospects

    Investment in New Technologies: Companies are investing in technologies to access deeper, tighter, and higher impurity resources.
    Continued Development: There are ongoing efforts to develop remaining reserves, such as the West Barracouta project, which aims to offset declines from older fields."

Source: AI ;)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 3:27pm:

And any discoveries in Oz, compared with prospectively oil-rich regions around the globe  - are likely to exhibit Bass Strait-like reserves at best - which will be more expensive to extract (since the easy to get resreves are gone) and soon be  exhausted.

Likely because? Oill fields 3,000 km away will be similar, despite different geology? ;D ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 3:27pm:

[Development/exploitation expenses in Oz are partly responsible  for Oz gas failing to make Oz rich like Qatar, a comparable gas exportor,  where extraction  costs are much lower....nnd lack of state ownership, as in Qatar....

So now you don't want to develop because it might cost more? And nothing about energy security? The US Iran conflict showed the importance of energy security. dolt.


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 3:27pm:

Ah yes -  according to capitalism driven by neanderthal greed/individual survival instincts; the world has sufficient resources to accomodate Musk (provided he spends responsibly to develop the economy sustainably)  AND deliver  the essentials for all, via  good governance.

Musk has no relevance to Autralia, unless you are going to somehow tax him. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 3:27pm:

Crippled brain lee: it not my dribble,  it's the work of thinking economists, and journalists commenting on the current global political malaise.

.
Oh thinking journalists another oxymoron. Thinking economists who have no practical experience with MMT. ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 3:27pm:

Your error: c-i govts are not finance constrained, they don't need to tax or borrow interest-bearing money from the private sector, they can create money out of thin air - just like priavte sector banks do.

until you become a latter-day Zimbabwe, they were the currency issuing government, they just didn't print their own money,they got others to do that and then issued it. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 3:27pm:

Which is why I don't propose taxing the rich***; the MMT article linked  discusses plans to fund Burnham's government, while Bill Mitchell examines the alternatives.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 12:54pm:

Oh - a wealth tax is  "socialism" - and Pauline hates socialism;  Neanderthal greed/survival instincts die hard...

That sure sounds like an endorsement. 8-)

BTW- I did a search it ron you, you eferenced Burnham - perhaps you want to revisit that post. ;)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 3:27pm:

Given there are sufficient resources which can be mobilized by the public sector, to ensure the essentials for all,  while accomodating  appropriate levels of  private sector mobilzation of resources (driven by individuals' self interest and 'aspiration' ),  funding government via free national treasury-issued money IS the answer, to solve the current political dysfunction and cost of living crises around the globe.

So exactly how do you determine "sufficient" resources, without factoring in all the resources. Oil is a resource 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 3:27pm:

*** "Money doesn't grow on rich people": Stepahie Kelton....a witty rejoinder to the mainstream aphorism "money doesn't grow on trees".

No but rich people make money grow. ::)

lee wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 3:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26th, 2026 at 3:27pm: he is apparently hoping ON can fund 'Pauline's  battlers' by searching for oil of unknown quantity and quality. You are going deeper and deeper into your own quagmire. It is only "apparent" to you.

"Apparent", because you refuse to say - are too mentally incompetent to say -  how Pauline can fund the 'battlers', to keep them onside.


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"Future Prospects     Investment in New Technologies: Companies are investing in technologies to access deeper, tighter, and higher impurity resources.     Continued Development: There are ongoing efforts to develop remaining reserves, such as the West Barracouta project, which aims to offset declines from older fields." Source: AI ;)

...tech which is expensive (eg US shale oil, cf, cheap Arabian oil); and  "aim" isn't  "achievement".


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Likely because? Oill fields 3,000 km away will be similar, despite different geology? ;D ;D ;D ;D

(google)

Australia has enormous potential for unconventional oil, which includes shale oil, tight oil, and oil shales. However, these resources are largely undeveloped due to higher extraction costs and environmental regulations

"Higher extraction costs" (compared with the vast ME reserves)...ouch.
Still wont help Pauline to fund the"battlers", which you 'apparently'....oh never mlnd  :-/... 


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So now you don't want to develop because it might cost more? And nothing about energy security? The US Iran conflict showed the importance of energy security. dolt.

Well, the issue is policies that will assist Pauline to deal with Oz's c-o-l crises, which higher costs certainly won't achieve. 

As for fuel security, renewables plus storage is the cleaner, more secure way to go - just build the infrastructure, funded by the national treasury.  Drilling and hoping for good outcomes is NOT secure. 

Note: won't cause inflation because - unlike your low-intellect Zimbabwe understanding of inflation, money will only be created to buy available resources. 


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Musk has no relevance to Autralia, unless you are going to somehow tax him.

Crippled brain lee (blinded by neanderthal survival/greed instincts); the world has sufficient resources to allow governments to  deliver essentials for all ("socialism") while accomodating   'aspirational' individuals  who seek to build their own wealth by means other than working for a wage.   


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Oh thinking journalists another oxymoron. Thinking economists who have no practical experience with MMT. ;D ;D ;D

1. Journalists report on current political and economic affairs, inter alia. Some of them are intelligent capable individuals.

And heterdox economists use their brains to consider how the economy can work for all, not just the wealthy few. 


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until you become a latter-day Zimbabwe, they were the currency issuing government, they just didn't print their own money,they got others to do that and then issued it. 8-)

ah - resorting to the inflation argument: government can manage resources to avoid inflation, via planning and price controls when necesary,  rather than restricting money supply by hiking interest rates, to wreck (aka "save") the economy...   

Note: the Zimbabwe govt. should not have ousted white farmers (which caused food inflation) even though they stole the land from blacks; it should have funded houses and jobs for disadvantaged blacks, just like Menzies did for returning soldiers and refugees post WW2, via Keynesian deficit spending, to grow the economy without inflation. 



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BTW- I did a search it ron you, you eferenced Burnham - perhaps you want to revisit that post. ;)

Can you rewrite that garbled nonsense?

The point I made addresses how can Pauline and Burnham fund the government while staying onside with a majority of their electors (including the "battlers"); Bill Mitchell explores that issue in the linked MMT post.


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So exactly how do you determine "sufficient" resources, without factoring in all the resources. Oil is a resource 8-)

1. You determine the standard of essentials (eg, safe housing including public housing, utilities) needed by all, which avaiable resources and  the econmy is capable of delivering. 

2. There in NO shortage of resources in Oz, and renewables plus storage (plus gas) can supply Oz's fuel needs, (with Oz exports funding purchase of cheap oil imports untii we electrify the economy (renewables + storage).

Funded by deficit spending financed by the treasury, not taxes....    


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No but rich people make money grow. ::)

 

How are Gina (or Elon in the US) making money grow for Pauline's (or the US's) 'battlers'?  That's a question facing every 'populist' (non-mainstream)  politician today hoping to capitalize on the public's disillusionment with the mainstrean parties. 

[It will be facinating to see how the  'non-comformist Trump polls in the midterms: has he delivered enough to US battlers, by taxing the rest of the world via illegal tariffs ?]

Meanwhile every nation on the planet is grappling with inadequate government spending  (aka govt. "austerity"), while the economy is churning out billionaires.

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Jun 18^th, 2026 at 8:21am:

Pauline will stop all overseas tourists and athletes from entering the country for the Brisvegas Olympics. No brown, black, yellow skinned people will win gold, silver, or bronze. 100% caucasian team from Australia Monoculture at it's best ?

The word ‘monoculture’ has not only entered the Australian vernacular but it seems it’s all that One Nation’s opponents and the media can talk about.

As Pauline Hanson told the Senate this week, you’d be forgiven for thinking she had slaughtered the sacred cow called multiculturalism at the National Press Club.

“The far left have naturally taken my comments into the realm of utter fantasy,” she said.

“I was going to ban foreign food, and the Socceroos wouldn’t have beaten Turkey under my policy. What rubbish – predictable and pathetic.

“The Socceroos, in fact, represent my vision of a monocultural Australia: people from different backgrounds and cultures and nations all wearing green and gold, representing one nation under one flag, and succeeding under the same set of rules.

“If we’re going to accept you, you must accept us too. That’s not too much to ask. It’s the bare minimum we should be demanding. It’s where we should be drawing the line on things incompatible with our culture, like Sharia law, child marriages, roaming armed gangs, female circumcision, sex-selective abortion and burqas.

“Accepting Australia means accepting our culture and the values, customs and traditions which define it: a fair go, tolerance, secular democracy, freedom of speech and religion, and the rule of law. It means accepting our irreverence and larrikinism. These are essential features of Australian monoculture, and there’s nothing remotely exclusionary about them.”

ON press release

Strange how a former fish and chip shop owner is making more sense

than all our cultural Marxist politicians.   :-/



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thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 8:25pm:

"Apparent", because you refuse to say - are too mentally incompetent to say -  how Pauline can fund the 'battlers', to keep them onside.

Why should we "fund" battlers? That must mean we must pay them more, much more, whether they are working or not. Whether they have a spouse on a good income, but one spouse is a "battler". Perhaps you need to define the term "battler"? ;)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 8:25pm:

...tech which is expensive (eg US shale oil, cf, cheap Arabian oil); and  "aim" isn't  "achievement".

And you never achieve anything if you don't aim for it. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 8:25pm:

Australia has enormous potential for unconventional oil, which includes shale oil, tight oil, and oil shales. However, these resources are largely undeveloped due to higher extraction costs and environmental regulations "Higher extraction costs" (compared with the vast ME reserves)...ouch.

Ah, so now energy security is not something to aim for. We should be dependant  on the good wishes of others. Chinese solar panels, Chinese wind turbines, Chinese control of lithium, control of metals needed for transmission lines, batteries (sghould ytou need them). You are a trrue class act. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 8:25pm:

Well, the issue is policies that will assist Pauline to deal with Oz's c-o-l crises, which higher costs certainly won't achieve.

Ah, the cost of living "crises". Plural, more than one "crisis". With higher wages comes higher costs, it is inevitable. How would you achieve that? Devalue the dollar? 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 8:25pm:

As for fuel security, renewables plus storage is the cleaner, more secure way to go - just build the infrastructure, funded by the national treasury.

Renewables, that issolar and wind are intermiitent. They are don't have the energy density. Hundreds of square km's to do the same thing fossil fuels can do in a much smaller space. And then of course the need to damage the ecology, to install, maintain them. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 8:25pm:

Note: won't cause inflation because - unlike your low-intellect Zimbabwe understanding of inflation, money will only be created to buy available resources.

How do you calculate the "available resources" when they are not all included in the calculation. And of course that should be NET available resources, because there are constraints that limit resources. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 8:25pm:

the world has sufficient resources to allow governments to  deliver essentials for all ("socialism") while accomodating   'aspirational' individuals  who seek to build their own wealth by means other than working for a wage.

Ah, now the "world" has. That would mean the "world" has to agree  to deliver essentials, not just one country. And the despite the Maurice Strong's of the world, a One World Government, is still not on the agenda. Sidenote: The same Maurice Strong who fled to China when "after his decades of business intrigues, crimes against humanity, and environmental destruction unraveled"


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 8:25pm:

1. Journalists report on current political and economic affairs, inter alia. Some of them are intelligent capable individuals

And you can tell the difference. ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 8:25pm:

And heterdox economists use their brains to consider how the economy can work for all, not just the wealthy few.

And because of this they should be believed? Because they have different beliefs? ;D ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 8:25pm:

ah - resorting to the inflation argument: government can manage resources to avoid inflation, via planning and price controls when necesary,  rather than restricting money supply by hiking interest rates, to wreck (aka "save") the economy...

So name me these politicians who are doing that. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 8:25pm:

the Zimbabwe govt. should not have ousted white farmers (which caused food inflation) even though they stole the land from blacks; it should have funded houses and jobs for disadvantaged blacks, just like Menzies did for returning soldiers and refugees post WW2, via Keynesian deficit spending, to grow the economy without inflation.

But they returned the land  to the blacks. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 8:25pm:

Can you rewrite that garbled nonsense?

No check your post on Burnham. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2026 at 8:25pm:

How are Gina (or Elon in the US) making money grow for Pauline's (or the US's) 'battlers'?  That's a question facing every 'populist' (non-mainstream)  politician today hoping to capitalize on the public's disillusionment with the mainstrean parties.

You didn't equate Musk to battlers. ;)

If countries are churning out billionaires the billionaires  must have something people want. ;)

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2026 at 7:47am:

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 8:21am: Pauline will stop all overseas tourists and athletes from entering the country for the Brisvegas Olympics. No brown, black, yellow skinned people will win gold, silver, or bronze. 100% caucasian team from Australia Monoculture at it's best ? The word ‘monoculture’ has not only entered the Australian vernacular but it seems it’s all that One Nation’s opponents and the media can talk about. As Pauline Hanson told the Senate this week, you’d be forgiven for thinking she had slaughtered the sacred cow called multiculturalism at the National Press Club. “The far left have naturally taken my comments into the realm of utter fantasy,” she said. “I was going to ban foreign food, and the Socceroos wouldn’t have beaten Turkey under my policy. What rubbish – predictable and pathetic. “The Socceroos, in fact, represent my vision of a monocultural Australia: people from different backgrounds and cultures and nations all wearing green and gold, representing one nation under one flag, and succeeding under the same set of rules. “If we’re going to accept you, you must accept us too. That’s not too much to ask. It’s the bare minimum we should be demanding. It’s where we should be drawing the line on things incompatible with our culture, like Sharia law, child marriages, roaming armed gangs, female circumcision, sex-selective abortion and burqas. “Accepting Australia means accepting our culture and the values, customs and traditions which define it: a fair go, tolerance, secular democracy, freedom of speech and religion, and the rule of law. It means accepting our irreverence and larrikinism. These are essential features of Australian monoculture, and there’s nothing remotely exclusionary about them.” ON press release

Good - so we've cleared that up now?

But Pauline didn't like Asian immigration in the 90s; some suspicion of her definition of 'monculturalism' remains....

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 5:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2026 at 7:47am: Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 8:21am: Pauline will stop all overseas tourists and athletes from entering the country for the Brisvegas Olympics. No brown, black, yellow skinned people will win gold, silver, or bronze. 100% caucasian team from Australia Monoculture at it's best ? The word ‘monoculture’ has not only entered the Australian vernacular but it seems it’s all that One Nation’s opponents and the media can talk about. As Pauline Hanson told the Senate this week, you’d be forgiven for thinking she had slaughtered the sacred cow called multiculturalism at the National Press Club. “The far left have naturally taken my comments into the realm of utter fantasy,” she said. “I was going to ban foreign food, and the Socceroos wouldn’t have beaten Turkey under my policy. What rubbish – predictable and pathetic. “The Socceroos, in fact, represent my vision of a monocultural Australia: people from different backgrounds and cultures and nations all wearing green and gold, representing one nation under one flag, and succeeding under the same set of rules. “If we’re going to accept you, you must accept us too. That’s not too much to ask. It’s the bare minimum we should be demanding. It’s where we should be drawing the line on things incompatible with our culture, like Sharia law, child marriages, roaming armed gangs, female circumcision, sex-selective abortion and burqas. “Accepting Australia means accepting our culture and the values, customs and traditions which define it: a fair go, tolerance, secular democracy, freedom of speech and religion, and the rule of law. It means accepting our irreverence and larrikinism. These are essential features of Australian monoculture, and there’s nothing remotely exclusionary about them.” ON press release Good - so we've cleared that up now? But Pauline didn't like Asian immigration in the 90s; some suspicion of her definition of 'monculturalism' remains....

Nonsense.

She - like many others - didn't like the large scale unassimilating Asians.
It has never been anytging else. Become Australian. Come at a rate that enables assimilation.

Being swamped by Asians = the came in such large numbers thag many if not most were able to remain unassimilated. So now you have whole suburbs where the shop signs are in Chinese, Vietnamese, Arabic. And they maintain their culture, customs, language, manners etc in the public place in Australia. 
Now they exert sectarian, efnic political power.
Nuts to that.

lee wrote on Jun 27^th, 2026 at 2:51pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26th, 2026 at 8:25pm: "Apparent", because you refuse to say - are too mentally incompetent to say -  how Pauline can fund the 'battlers', to keep them onside. Why should we "fund" battlers?

To keep them onside, dummy, now that the battlers comprise a majority of the population who consider the economy as managed by mainstream economists and politicians  is no longer working for them. 


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That must mean we must pay them more, much more, whether they are working or not. Whether they have a spouse on a good income, but one spouse is a "battler". Perhaps you need to define the term "battler"? ;)

1. We can start by delivering  affordable housing for all, and eliminating the c-o-l crisis.

Requiring sufficient  public housing, to house low income groups.

2. And we can also create above-poverty employment for all, because there is no shortages of resources in Oz which would prevent housing and employing  everyone in Oz.      


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And you never achieve anything if you don't aim for it. 8-)

But Pauline will to have to deliver for the battlers if she wants to avoid the fate of currently despised/non-performing mainstream Lib-Lab politicians.

Aiming for something which may or maynot be there, and won't lower costs for  many years even if the reserves are exploitable at a profit sufficiently attractive for private filthy fossil companies, won't save Pauline past the next election cycle, while the housing and  c-o-l pressures persist for a majority of electors. 



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Ah, so now energy security is not something to aim for. We should be dependant  on the good wishes of others. Chinese solar panels, Chinese wind turbines, Chinese control of lithium, control of metals needed for transmission lines, batteries (sghould ytou need them). You are a trrue class act. ::)

1. Energy security is important.

2. Chinese imports, until we rebuild our own refining and manufacturing capacity, are part of the solution.


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Ah, the cost of living "crises". Plural, more than one "crisis". With higher wages comes higher costs, it is inevitable. How would you achieve that? Devalue the dollar? 8-)

 

1. The housing-affordability crisis, due to our own stupidity (or rather, Howard's stupidity).

2.  The c-o-l crisis caused by dysfunctional Neoclassical economics ('comparitive advantage' free trade dogma,  a global problem.


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Renewables, that issolar and wind are intermiitent. They are don't have the energy density. Hundreds of square km's to do the same thing fossil fuels can do in a much smaller space. And then of course the need to damage the ecology, to install, maintain them. 8-)

100 square miles of PVs and wind turbines in Oz deserts, backed by batteries and delivered by  HVDC transmission to where the energy is needed will prove more secure and cheaper, as Oz's  filthy fossil reserves become uneconomic to exploit.   

"High-Voltage Direct Current (HVDC) transmission is a highly efficient method of moving massive amounts of bulk electricity over long distances or via underwater cables."



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How do you calculate the "available resources" when they are not all included in the calculation. And of course that should be NET available resources, because there are constraints that limit resources. 8-)

Government has access to all the data re resources and labour which are available for exploitation. The age of AI now enables accurate measurement of the nation's available resources, by combining taxation, census and company data etc.    


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Ah, now the "world" has.

ie, in  a cooperative world overseen by reformed IMF and World Bank, no-one need be condemned to poverty.   


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That would mean the "world" has to agree  to deliver essentials, not just one country.

OK, just stick to Oz, which DOES have sufficient resources  to house, clothe, feed AND employ everyone.


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Yes. And you can tell the difference. ;D ;D ;D

Of course; not all of them are blinded by the unreality of Neoclassical economics, like you. 

I say again, there is no need for  poverty in Oz....logic, given there are sufficient resources in Oz. 


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And because of this they should be believed? Because they have different beliefs? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Logic isn't belief; logic enables access to truth whether by empirical evidence or inductive thought. 


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So name me these politicians who are doing that. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

The economists who ARE employing logic - not obsolete dogma re 'invisible hand' markets, to describe an economy which works for all (urgently needed to avoid a looming social, economic, and political collapse) - are currently being ignored by most politicians who blindly accept the mainstream dogmas of Neoclassical economists.

These mainstream  politicians deserve their fate - ie they are now being deserted by the  electorate who are resorting to 'grasping at straws'  offered by the Populist RW.

In a money economy, governments need money.

Pauline will have to explain how she intends to fund a ON government, while keeping the battlers on-side.      

Frank wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 5:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28th, 2026 at 5:16pm: Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2026 at 7:47am: Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Jun 18th, 2026 at 8:21am: Pauline will stop all overseas tourists and athletes from entering the country for the Brisvegas Olympics. No brown, black, yellow skinned people will win gold, silver, or bronze. 100% caucasian team from Australia Monoculture at it's best ? The word ‘monoculture’ has not only entered the Australian vernacular but it seems it’s all that One Nation’s opponents and the media can talk about. As Pauline Hanson told the Senate this week, you’d be forgiven for thinking she had slaughtered the sacred cow called multiculturalism at the National Press Club. “The far left have naturally taken my comments into the realm of utter fantasy,” she said. “I was going to ban foreign food, and the Socceroos wouldn’t have beaten Turkey under my policy. What rubbish – predictable and pathetic. “The Socceroos, in fact, represent my vision of a monocultural Australia: people from different backgrounds and cultures and nations all wearing green and gold, representing one nation under one flag, and succeeding under the same set of rules. “If we’re going to accept you, you must accept us too. That’s not too much to ask. It’s the bare minimum we should be demanding. It’s where we should be drawing the line on things incompatible with our culture, like Sharia law, child marriages, roaming armed gangs, female circumcision, sex-selective abortion and burqas. “Accepting Australia means accepting our culture and the values, customs and traditions which define it: a fair go, tolerance, secular democracy, freedom of speech and religion, and the rule of law. It means accepting our irreverence and larrikinism. These are essential features of Australian monoculture, and there’s nothing remotely exclusionary about them.” ON press release Good - so we've cleared that up now? But Pauline didn't like Asian immigration in the 90s; some suspicion of her definition of 'monculturalism' remains.... Nonsense. She - like many others - didn't like the large scale unassimilating Asians. It has never been anytging else. Become Australian. Come at a rate that enables assimilation.

I must admit I thought I was in China when I last walked through Chatswood (10 years ago);  but the vast majority of these people are obviously assimilated Asians, ie they  cause no political violence c.f.  Muslim fundamentalists.

Pauline just didn't like the change in ethnic appearance at the time.


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Being swamped by Asians = the came in such large numbers thag many if not most were able to remain unassimilated. So now you have whole suburbs where the shop signs are in Chinese, Vietnamese, Arabic. And they maintain their culture, customs, language, manners etc in the public place in Australia.  Now they exert sectarian, efnic political power. Nuts to that.

Like Jews celebrating their 'culture' in public at Bondi Beach, when Israel is the most hated nation on the planet? 

btw, I had no trouble shopping or finding a meal in Chatswood.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

To keep them onside, dummy, now that the battlers comprise a majority of the population who consider the economy as managed by mainstream economists and politicians  is no longer working for them.

How did you determine they were the majority of the population?  ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

1. We can start by delivering  affordable housing for all, and eliminating the c-o-l crisis. Requiring sufficient  public housing, to house low income groups. 2. And we can also create above-poverty employment for all, because there is no shortages of resources in Oz which would prevent housing and employing  everyone in Oz.

1. You really don't get it. There is no way in the world that housing will become affordable in the inner city, which is where the majority want to live.

2. You still haven't shown the NET resources available in Australia.

I see in moss Vale in NSW,they are outraged. Apparently they were OK with "small-scale industries like electric cars, photovoltaics..." etc. So how much electricity draw would a small-scale photovoltaic solar panel consume? They don't want coal power, although they are sitting on years of it. How about electric cars? build them? Maintain them? Change out the batteries on them?


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

But Pauline will to have to deliver for the battlers if she wants to avoid the fate of currently despised/non-performing mainstream Lib-Lab politicians.

Nope. Politicians don't need to do that. Unless you have concrete plans you haven't told us. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

Aiming for something which may or maynot be there, and won't lower costs for  many years even if the reserves are exploitable at a profit sufficiently attractive for private filthy fossil companies, won't save Pauline past the next election cycle, while the housing and  c-o-l pressures persist for a majority of electors.

You will have to show the "battlers" are the majority of the population. Nothing i researched suggested that it is true. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

1. Energy security is important.

very good. Now how do you hope to achieve that?


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

2. Chinese imports, until we rebuild our own refining and manufacturing capacity, are part of the solution.

Ah, so only solar and wind can power our energy security, because there is not enough energy density for the refining OR the manufacturing. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

1. The housing-affordability crisis, due to our own stupidity (or rather, Howard's stupidity).

So tell us how to make the inner cities cheaper? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

2.  The c-o-l crisis caused by dysfunctional Neoclassical economics ('comparitive advantage' free trade dogma,  a global problem.

Oh so it is a global cost of living crisis. That would also mean Chine has a cost of living crisis. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

100 square miles of PVs and wind turbines in Oz deserts, backed by batteries and delivered by  HVDC transmission to where the energy is needed will prove more secure and cheaper, as Oz's  filthy fossil reserves become uneconomic to exploit.    "High-Voltage Direct Current (HVDC) transmission is a highly efficient method of moving massive amounts of bulk electricity over long distances or via underwater cables."

Oh only 100 square miles of combined solar and wind or each? Can you please provide where you got the figures, they sound bogus. BTW - Sun Cable proposed half of that. it was going to provide 4MW, so double would be 8 MW of continuous power. Not even close enough. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

"High-Voltage Direct Current (HVDC) transmission is a highly efficient method of moving massive amounts of bulk electricity over long distances or via underwater cables."

Yes it is, and then you need inverters, transformers etc to manage the variable supply, so it must be grossly over-rated, to cope. Another expense in the "cheap" energy stakes. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

Government has access to all the data re resources and labour which are available for exploitation. The age of AI now enables accurate measurement of the nation's available resources, by combining taxation, census and company data etc.

So you don't have a clue, but you just KNOW these things. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

And it still doesn't include  the non-exploration of fossil fuels. ;)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

ie, in  a cooperative world overseen by reformed IMF and World Bank, no-one need be condemned to poverty.

So presumably the Chines are going to be a part of this co-operative world. The same China that bans imports and exports at the drop of hat, when miffed. ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Jun 27^th, 2026 at 2:51pm:

Cont) But they returned the land  to the blacks. 8-)[/quote[ Crippled brain lee: that's what they did. I told what the govt.  SHOULD have done, to avoid collapsing the food supply which caused the subsequent hyperinflation (as printed money chased a shrinking food supply)    Quote: check your post on Burnham. 8-) I pointed to my post linking a journailsl's observations re the task facing Burnham.  You - ignorantly - said you don't  read "dribble" , dismissig his work as "dribble " even as you refuse to read it. Here is is again: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1645944963/1455] #1466 [quote]You didn't equate Musk to battlers. ;)

Now you are just resorting to writing sh*t; Musk - and Gina - aren't battlers.


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If countries are churning out billionaires the billionaires  must have something people want. ;)

More shite: everyone  wants to participate in an economy which delivers affordable  housing and above-poverty wages for everyone. 

Pauline will be out on her backside soon enough, if she can't deliver for the battlers who are currently flocking to her.

cont


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

OK, just stick to Oz, which DOES have sufficient resources  to house, clothe, feed AND employ everyone.

You have already admitted that you don't know if Australia has sufficient resources. and that means you don't know the global situation as well. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

Of course; not all of them are blinded by the unreality of Neoclassical economics, like you.

That is blind belief, not proof of anything. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

Logic isn't belief; logic enables access to truth whether by empirical evidence or inductive thought.

On what is the "logic" based?  Inductive thought also is not proof. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

The economists who ARE employing logic - not obsolete dogma re 'invisible hand' markets, to describe an economy which works for all (urgently needed to avoid a looming social, economic, and political collapse) - are currently being ignored by most politicians who blindly accept the mainstream dogmas of Neoclassical economists.

And again no proof. Just your circular reasoning - "Keynesian economivs ar not working (in your view), therefore the alternative MUST be better, is not logic. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

Pauline will have to explain how she intends to fund a ON government, while keeping the battlers on-side.

One of these days you might actually research your "aussie battlers make a majority of the population" mantr. 8-)

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 7:36pm:

More shite: everyone  wants to participate in an economy which delivers affordable  housing and above-poverty wages for everyone.

And that's all you have - Shite. BYE

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 7:08pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 28th, 2026 at 5:32pm: Nonsense. She - like many others - didn't like the large scale unassimilating Asians. It has never been anytging else. Become Australian. Come at a rate that enables assimilation. I must admit I thought I was in China when I last walked through Chatswood (10 years ago);  but the vast majority of these people are obviously assimilated Asians, ie they  cause no political violence c.f.  Muslim fundamentalists. Pauline just didn't like the change in ethnic appearance at the time. Quote: Being swamped by Asians = the came in such large numbers thag many if not most were able to remain unassimilated. So now you have whole suburbs where the shop signs are in Chinese, Vietnamese, Arabic. And they maintain their culture, customs, language, manners etc in the public place in Australia.  Now they exert sectarian, efnic political power. Nuts to that. Like Jews celebrating their 'culture' in public at Bondi Beach, when Israel is the most hated nation on the planet?  btw, I had no trouble shopping or finding a meal in Chatswood.

That is a really moronic come-back even by your standards.

lee wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 7:40pm:

cont thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28th, 2026 at 6:50pm: OK, just stick to Oz, which DOES have sufficient resources  to house, clothe, feed AND employ everyone. You have already admitted that you don't know if Australia has sufficient resources. and that means you don't know the global situation as well. ::)

Point to where I admitted that...


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That is blind belief, not proof of anything. ::)

Now you are showing yourself to be incapable of debate, or low IQ; , I already explained  the difference between logic utilizing empirical evidence and informing induction,  as opposed to belief eg delusional Neoclassicval beliefs/models based on  'rational, informed  comsumers....).   


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On what is the "logic" based?  Inductive thought also is not proof. ::)

"Logic is the formal science of correct reasoning. It is based on rules of validity and the analysis of arguments."


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And again no proof. Just your circular reasoning - "Keynesian economivs ar not working (in your view), therefore the alternative MUST be better, is not logic. ::)

The proof is the failing status quo.

Now use your own brain (an oxymoron in your case, driven as yoiu are  by Neanderthal competitive greed/survival instincts)  to work out how to address this systems failure. 


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One of these days you might actually research your "aussie battlers make a majority of the population" mantr. 8-)

Recent polls have the primary vote of the  Populist RW (supported by 'disaffected battlers') in front of the major (centre L-R) parties; the Coaltion vote is collapsing while Labor iis also losing support to ON.


(though I see Pauline's misadventure into "mono-culturalism" has dented her rating in the latest poll...) 

ON - driven by disillusion in the electorate, needs 50%+1, a majority of the votes, to get elected. 

Stay tuned...

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 8:20pm:

Point to where I admitted that...

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

Government has access to all the data re resources and labour which are available for exploitation.

So the Government knows because it has all  the data, it means you DON"T. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 8:20pm:

I already explained  the difference between logic utilizing empirical evidence and informing induction,  as opposed to belief eg delusional Neoclassicval beliefs/models based on  'rational, informed  comsumers....).

So point me to where it says induction is foolproof. ::)

Ai: "Inductive reasoning is not foolproof; it produces conclusions that are probable but not certain. The conclusions drawn from inductive reasoning can be false even if the premises are true."

;)



thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 8:20pm:

"Logic is the formal science of correct reasoning. It is based on rules of validity and the analysis of arguments."

Now all you have to do is show you are using "correct reasoning". Something you have signally failed to do. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 8:20pm:

The proof is the failing status quo.

That is not proof of the alternative theory. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 8:20pm:

Now use your own brain (an oxymoron in your case, driven as yoiu are  by Neanderthal competitive greed/survival instincts)  to work out how to address this systems failure.

You are losing again. It shows. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 8:20pm:

Recent polls have the primary vote of the  Populist RW (supported by 'disaffected battlers') in front of the major (centre L-R) parties; the Coaltion vote is collapsing while Labor iis also losing support to ON.

Nothing there says anythin about battlers.

AI : "No, Australian battlers are not the majority of the population. They represent a specific demographic of working-class individuals who face financial hardships, but Australia has a diverse population with varying socioeconomic statuses."

;)

Lst again in your own fantasy.

One Nation took a hit in the polls - Labor 30% - ON 28% ... with the proviso that the figures were all within errors...... you really have to laugh at the sheer desperation of Der Reischsleiters ...

Monoculture explained.



A lot of politicians and media are still confused about the term monoculture.

They’ve tried to claim it means no one will have any takeaway to choose from, what nonsense.

It’s pretty simple. We want everyone, no matter colour, ethnicity or background, to be united under one flag and travelling towards the one goal: of a fair and equal Australia.

Have a listen to this 2GB segment on the monoculture.
https://x.com/PaulineHansonOz/status/2071014508408275203


Monoculture = FIFO. What's wrong with that? Why NOT fit in? Why pull in all differente - diverse, dread word - directions???

Frank wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 7:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28th, 2026 at 7:08pm: Frank wrote on Jun 28th, 2026 at 5:32pm: Nonsense. She - like many others - didn't like the large scale unassimilating Asians. It has never been anytging else. Become Australian. Come at a rate that enables assimilation. I must admit I thought I was in China when I last walked through Chatswood (10 years ago);  but the vast majority of these people are obviously assimilated Asians, ie they  cause no political violence c.f.  Muslim fundamentalists. Pauline just didn't like the change in ethnic appearance at the time. Quote: Being swamped by Asians = the came in such large numbers thag many if not most were able to remain unassimilated. So now you have whole suburbs where the shop signs are in Chinese, Vietnamese, Arabic. And they maintain their culture, customs, language, manners etc in the public place in Australia.  Now they exert sectarian, efnic political power. Nuts to that. Like Jews celebrating their 'culture' in public at Bondi Beach, when Israel is the most hated nation on the planet?  btw, I had no trouble shopping or finding a meal in Chatswood. That is a really moronic come-back even by your standards.

How so?

You wrote "(immigrants who) maintain their culture, customs, language, manners etc in the public place in Australia".

eg, Jews openly celebrating their 'culture' in public, at a time when illegal Jewish occupation of Palestine is fueling Islamic terrorism? 

lee wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 9:46pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28th, 2026 at 8:20pm: Point to where I admitted that... You claimed (in #117) "(TGD) has already admitted that he doesn't know if Australia has sufficient resources". In fact I'm the one claiming Oz has enough resources to house, clothe, feed and employ  everyone. Quote: So the Government knows because it has all the data, it means you DON"T. ::) Crippled-brain lee at his most incompetent: 1. AI makes it possible for government to collect and analyze all the data (eg census, tax records, productive enterprises etc), with a view to formulatuing policies to eradicating poverty, since there is no shortage of resources which would prevent it. 2. Of course I don't have access to the data which will  need  to be collected and analyzed by governement.  [quote]So point me to where it says induction is foolproof. ::)

"Logic....relying on facts and structured rules of inference"

eg, given there are enough resources in Oz to house, clothe, feed and employ everyone, government can eradicate poverty. 


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Ai: "Inductive reasoning is not foolproof; it produces conclusions that are probable but not certain. The conclusions drawn from inductive reasoning can be false even if the premises are true."

Probable but not certain?

So how about the other logical approach to arrive at the truth; ie, empirical testing  - to determine whether the Oz govt  CAN mobilize resources to eradicate poverty.....


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Now all you have to do is show you are using "correct reasoning". Something you have signally failed to do. ::)

Logic.

There are enough resources in Oz to securely house everyone etc etc


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TGD:The proof is the failing status quo. That is not proof of the alternative theory. ::)

Crippled brain lee: lack of resources is not the problem: so, to eradicate  poverty, the government must either

1. Increase taxes to fund a poverty-eradication program,

or

2. Utilize another - logic-based - method to deal with the present failing Neoclassical economic  system (which is based on obsolete 'invisible hand' market dogma).

Rather than denying that the status quo is now rejected by a large enough number of voters (the topic of this thread) to force politicans to make meaningful change, you could use your brain to suggest alternatives to the current delusional Neoclassicsl models based on non-existent "competing, rational, informed consumers"(!) as taught in Uni economics departments.

Pauline needs your help...


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You are losing again. It shows. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Nah, your Neanderthal greed/survival of the organism instincts  inform your every utterance.


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Nothing there says anythin about battlers.

Crippled brain lee: Pauline herself (at the NPC) spoke extensively of Oz's "battlers" being  ignored by the government.


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AI : "No, Australian battlers are not the majority of the population. They represent a specific demographic of working-class individuals who face financial hardships, but Australia has a diverse population with varying socioeconomic statuses."

Addressed above: enough voters are forcing mainstream politicians to change the status quo - which is why we are now discussing (the rise of) Pauline's ON on the backs of disillusioned former voters for the mainstream Lab-Lib duopoly. 


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Lost again in your own fantasy.

Refuted above; ON's rise is real. 

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 28^th, 2026 at 11:56pm:

One Nation took a hit in the polls - Labor 30% - ON 28% ... with the proviso that the figures were all within errors...... you really have to laugh at the sheer desperation of Der Reischsleiters ...

Desperation caused by pollies fooled by dominant Neoclassical economics, as noted by Prof . Steve Keen:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1645944963/1470

#1472.

What lies behind Starmer's resignation?

Kier Starmer’s resignation was driven by many factors, not least that he had all the charisma of a bus timetable. But the deep reason for his failure was that he continued the Neoliberal policies which have been followed by every UK leader since Maggie Thatcher.

The proponents of these policies believed that they would accelerate economic growth so much, in comparison to the preceding “Keynesian” policies, that UK citizens would no longer need welfare, public education, or public health. Why accept the State’s services, when you will be so much wealthier that you can save for your retirement easily, and pay for private education and private health cover.

Whoops: when you check the data, Neoliberalism did not deliver on its promise of higher growth. Dating Neoliberalism from the mid-1970s, the UK’s per capita economic growth between 1975 and 2019 (thus leaving out the effect of the pandemic) was 0.8% per year lower than growth between 1946 and 1975.

This was not a British abberation, but the norm: virtually every advanced economy grew more slowly under Neoliberalism than it did under the “bad old” Keynesian period (1946-1975).

It comes down to two major factors:

Neoliberalism deregulated the finance sector, and led to speculative lending rather than genuine investment; and

Cutting the government deficit actually terminated fiat money creation, which led to less money being available to enable investment out of cash flow.

Starmer was therefore another political victim of Neoliberalism. Sold to political parties as the basis for continued economic and therefore electoral success, it has impoverished the working and middle classes, and led to its political champions losing office.

Six have lost office so far in the UK, without completing their terms. Since the next UK Prime Minister in Waiting, Andy Burnham, is likely to continue these policies, there are likely to be seven Prime Ministerial victims of Neoliberalism before the next UK election.
     

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2026 at 2:18pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 28th, 2026 at 7:54pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28th, 2026 at 7:08pm: Frank wrote on Jun 28th, 2026 at 5:32pm: Nonsense. She - like many others - didn't like the large scale unassimilating Asians. It has never been anytging else. Become Australian. Come at a rate that enables assimilation. I must admit I thought I was in China when I last walked through Chatswood (10 years ago);  but the vast majority of these people are obviously assimilated Asians, ie they  cause no political violence c.f.  Muslim fundamentalists. Pauline just didn't like the change in ethnic appearance at the time. Quote: Being swamped by Asians = the came in such large numbers thag many if not most were able to remain unassimilated. So now you have whole suburbs where the shop signs are in Chinese, Vietnamese, Arabic. And they maintain their culture, customs, language, manners etc in the public place in Australia.  Now they exert sectarian, efnic political power. Nuts to that. Like Jews celebrating their 'culture' in public at Bondi Beach, when Israel is the most hated nation on the planet?  btw, I had no trouble shopping or finding a meal in Chatswood. That is a really moronic come-back even by your standards. How so? You wrote "(immigrants who) maintain their culture, customs, language, manners etc in the public place in Australia". eg, Jews openly celebrating their 'culture' in public, at a time when illegal Jewish occupation of Palestine is fueling Islamic terrorism?

They had a picnic in a park, ya numpty.

Frank wrote on Jun 29^th, 2026 at 3:55pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29th, 2026 at 2:18pm: Frank wrote on Jun 28th, 2026 at 7:54pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28th, 2026 at 7:08pm: Frank wrote on Jun 28th, 2026 at 5:32pm: Nonsense. She - like many others - didn't like the large scale unassimilating Asians. It has never been anytging else. Become Australian. Come at a rate that enables assimilation. I must admit I thought I was in China when I last walked through Chatswood (10 years ago);  but the vast majority of these people are obviously assimilated Asians, ie they  cause no political violence c.f.  Muslim fundamentalists. Pauline just didn't like the change in ethnic appearance at the time. Quote: Being swamped by Asians = the came in such large numbers thag many if not most were able to remain unassimilated. So now you have whole suburbs where the shop signs are in Chinese, Vietnamese, Arabic. And they maintain their culture, customs, language, manners etc in the public place in Australia.  Now they exert sectarian, efnic political power. Nuts to that. Like Jews celebrating their 'culture' in public at Bondi Beach, when Israel is the most hated nation on the planet?  btw, I had no trouble shopping or finding a meal in Chatswood. That is a really moronic come-back even by your standards. How so? You wrote "(immigrants who) maintain their culture, customs, language, manners etc in the public place in Australia". eg, Jews openly celebrating their 'culture' in public, at a time when illegal Jewish occupation of Palestine is fueling Islamic terrorism?  They had a picnic in a park, ya numpty.

"Jewish people were gathered at Bondi Beach on the day of the massacre to attend "Chanukah by the Sea," an annual community celebration marking the first night of the Hanukkah festival".

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2026 at 4:03pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 29th, 2026 at 3:55pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29th, 2026 at 2:18pm: Frank wrote on Jun 28th, 2026 at 7:54pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28th, 2026 at 7:08pm: Frank wrote on Jun 28th, 2026 at 5:32pm: Nonsense. She - like many others - didn't like the large scale unassimilating Asians. It has never been anytging else. Become Australian. Come at a rate that enables assimilation. I must admit I thought I was in China when I last walked through Chatswood (10 years ago);  but the vast majority of these people are obviously assimilated Asians, ie they  cause no political violence c.f.  Muslim fundamentalists. Pauline just didn't like the change in ethnic appearance at the time. Quote: Being swamped by Asians = the came in such large numbers thag many if not most were able to remain unassimilated. So now you have whole suburbs where the shop signs are in Chinese, Vietnamese, Arabic. And they maintain their culture, customs, language, manners etc in the public place in Australia.  Now they exert sectarian, efnic political power. Nuts to that. Like Jews celebrating their 'culture' in public at Bondi Beach, when Israel is the most hated nation on the planet?  btw, I had no trouble shopping or finding a meal in Chatswood. That is a really moronic come-back even by your standards. How so? You wrote "(immigrants who) maintain their culture, customs, language, manners etc in the public place in Australia". eg, Jews openly celebrating their 'culture' in public, at a time when illegal Jewish occupation of Palestine is fueling Islamic terrorism?  They had a picnic in a park, ya numpty. "Jewish people were gathered at Bondi Beach on the day of the massacre to attend "Chanukah by the Sea," an annual community celebration marking the first night of the Hanukkah festival".

Yeah,  a picnic, ya dumb parrot.

On the first day of Hanukkah, celebrants begin by lighting the first candle of the hanukkiyah (menorah) at sundown. This joyous festival of lights is marked by reciting special blessings, spinning the dreidel, exchanging gifts, and gathering to feast on traditional fried foods like potato latkes and sufganiyot (jelly doughnuts).

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2026 at 3:39pm:

In fact I'm the one claiming Oz has enough resources to house, clothe, feed and employ  everyone.

So you don't have any proof, just another BS story. Claiming it does not make it so. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2026 at 3:39pm:

1. AI makes it possible for government to collect and analyze all the data (eg census, tax records, productive enterprises etc), with a view to formulatuing policies to eradicating poverty, since there is no shortage of resources which would prevent it. 2. Of course I don't have access to the data which will  need  to be collected and analyzed by governement.

so therefore you don't KNOW that we have the resources. Just another BS story. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2026 at 3:39pm:

"Logic....relying on facts and structured rules of inference" eg, given there are enough resources in Oz to house, clothe, feed and employ everyone, government can eradicate poverty.

So logically, because you don't KNOW whether we have the resources... you are full of sch1t. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2026 at 3:39pm:

Probable but not certain?

Precisely.


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2026 at 3:39pm:

So how about the other logical approach to arrive at the truth; ie, empirical testing  - to determine whether the Oz govt  CAN mobilize resources to eradicate poverty.....

When you get a country to do the empirical testing let us know. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2026 at 3:39pm:

Logic.

Which as stated above can produce more BS. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2026 at 3:39pm:

There are enough resources in Oz to securely house everyone etc etc

You don't know that. ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2026 at 3:39pm:

lack of resources is not the problem: so, to eradicate  poverty, the government must either

You keep saying that but you don't know that. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2026 at 3:39pm:

Rather than denying that the status quo is now rejected by a large enough number of voters (the topic of this thread) to force politicans to make meaningful change, you could use your brain to suggest alternatives to the current delusional Neoclassicsl models based on non-existent "competing, rational, informed consumers"(!) as taught in Uni economics departments.

A large number of voters? So no longer the majority. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2026 at 3:39pm:

Pauline herself (at the NPC) spoke extensively of Oz's "battlers" being  ignored by the government.

Did she say they were the majority/ Your claim. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2026 at 3:39pm:

Quote: AI : "No, Australian battlers are not the majority of the population. They represent a specific demographic of working-class individuals who face financial hardships, but Australia has a diverse population with varying socioeconomic statuses." Addressed above:

Translation : " What I said was BS". ;D ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2026 at 3:39pm:

Refuted above; ON's rise is real.

And I never said anything different. 8-)


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2026 at 3:39pm:

Addressed above:

Another translation - " I still lied". ;D ;D