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Title: Trump's Capitulation Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on Jun 16th, 2026 at 8:25am
Meanwhile—and again, these are the terms that so far have been leaked to the press, mostly from the Iranians—Iran claims that it will not only get some $12 billion up front, but get another $12 billion within 60 days. Down the line, the Iranians are claiming that they will get a $300 billion fund for reconstruction. (U.S. officials have insisted to reporters that any release of funds will be performance-based, a fuzzy condition that raises more questions and could invite the Iranians to dig in and haggle if the Americans balk at delivering the money.) The war leaves Iran battered, but more powerful and with more cash at its disposal, while it leaves America weaker, with important stocks of weapons depleted, and with its consumers paying the price for the war at the gas pump.
Trump today also claimed that he is perfectly willing to restart hostilities if the Iranians don’t cooperate. Tehran, however, can be forgiven for smirking at the idea that Trump is going to tie down U.S. forces and then ignite a second conflict just weeks from the midterm elections, especially because the American people—and, perhaps more important from Trump’s perspective, the international markets—have soured on the conflict. Trump began this war by promising the Iranian people that they would be able to seize their government from the theocratic tyrants who oppress them, and he repeatedly said he would settle for nothing less than “unconditional surrender.” Had Trump toppled the regime in Tehran, he would have had the thanks of most of the world—and congratulations from even his most dedicated critics. Instead, the United States has been defeated, and this evening found Trump out on the lawn waiting for the rain to clear so he could begin his party. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/06/trump-iran-deal/687547/ President Trump has announced that the United States and Iran have reached a deal to end their war. “Congratulations to all!” he said in a posting on his Truth Social site this evening. He then headed off to oversee the garish public spectacle he’d arranged for his birthday on the South Lawn of the White House. The United States, however, has little to celebrate: Trump and his team, in record time, just lost a war to a militarily mediocre—but nonetheless extremely dangerous—adversary. The details of the agreement remain unconfirmed, but the president, of course, is eager to spin the outcome as a victory. (Trump was in a hurry to sign the deal on his birthday; the Iranians, who now seem to be in charge of this whole business, instead said they will send someone to a meeting in Switzerland on Friday.) But even before we have the details, it is clear that Trump has failed to achieve every one of the goals he put forward for this war of choice, and now he is determined to sign, seal, and deliver America’s capitulation as quickly as possible. If defeat seems a strong word, consider what we do know about how this war will end. Iran has suffered significant damage from U.S. and Israeli military action. But as I and others warned at the outset, killing people and bombing things do not by themselves produce victory. The reality is that the war will close with the regime in Tehran intact and in the grip of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps; the Strait of Hormuz will remain under the threat of Iranian attacks; Iran will continue to possess significant drone and missile stocks; the regime will maintain the capability to be a state sponsor of terror; and many sanctions will be lifted and billions of dollars in unfrozen assets will flow to Iran. In other words, the Iranians have achieved their key strategic aims—regime survival above all—while the Americans have achieved none of their own. Indeed, the United States has perhaps done worse than gaining nothing. Iran, while temporarily weakened, is now an even more powerful political actor: The regime in Tehran stood up to a massive U.S. onslaught, survived, and then inflicted pain on various states in the Gulf as punishment for going along with Trump’s war. The Israelis, for their part, have been left out in the cold. It is difficult to shed any tears for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who unwisely encouraged Trump to attack Iran, but he, too, is feeling the sting of humiliation. The Iranians cagily linked Netanyahu’s war against Hezbollah in Lebanon to Trump’s war in the Gulf, and Trump is now angry at Netanyahu for making it harder for the United States to get out of the conflict. (When Netanyahu planned major strikes in Beirut at the beginning of June, Trump called him, swore at him, and said, “You’d be in prison if it weren’t for me.”) Reportedly, the upcoming agreement requires a cessation of hostilities in the region, including in Lebanon—and Trump is negotiating as if he can deliver on that demand while leaving Jerusalem out of it. Today, the Israelis said that Hezbollah had launched weapons into Israel. Rather than calling on the Iranians to restrain their proxy, Trump took to social media to tell the Israelis to calm down, noting that the attack “was very small and meaningless, nobody was hurt, injured, or killed, and should not disrupt this important process.” The Trump administration will claim that it achieved a victory because it got an Iran without nuclear weapons. But this claim is both silly and redundant. Tehran had already pledged 10 years ago in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action not to seek nuclear weapons. No one should tru |
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Title: Re: Trump's Capitulation Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:22pm
This peace deal only benefits two parties - Iran and Trump. I say Trump not because it is something he ought to be proud of, but because he was clearly beyond desperate to have a peace deal to "sign" on his birthday so he could claim to have brought peace with Iran when no other President could have. That's obviously false, because Obama had one before Trump until Trump tore it up. The thing is, though, that the agreement Obama had with Iran was ratified by the UN and agreed to by the UK and a few other countries independently as well if I recall.
Trump has caved in, given Iran pretty much everything they wanted and he has come out the other side of this an utter failure. Even senior members of the GOP have said as much. This will be Trump's legacy - a failed war in Iran that left Iran stronger and the US far weaker and all thanks to him. |
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Title: Re: Trump's Capitulation Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:26pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:22pm:
Bingo! A spectacular failure. |
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Title: Trump's boost ahead of midterms Post by tallowood on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:31pm
US gasoline falls below $4 a gallon, boosts Trump ahead of midterms
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Title: Re: Trump's boost ahead of midterms Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:35pm tallowood wrote on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:31pm:
Why was it so high? I can't seem to rememb... oh yeah, now I remember. Trump went to war with Iran and caused the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, which had previously been open with ships freely travelling along the waterway!!! |
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Title: Re: Trump's boost ahead of midterms Post by tallowood on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:41pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:35pm:
You don't understand the art of political strategy. |
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Title: Re: Trump's epic failure Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:50pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:35pm:
;D |
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Title: Re: Trump's boost ahead of midterms Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:54pm tallowood wrote on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:41pm:
There was no political strategy. He had two strategies. Erase the Obama legacy because he hates Obama THAT much. The other strategy was to get rich anyway he can, including buying or selling oil stocks just before he made announcements that directly affected the price of oil. That's it - hate Obama and get rich. That's not political strategy - that's peak malignant narcissism. |
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Title: Re: Trump's Capitulation Post by Frank on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:55pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:22pm:
How do you figure that?? |
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Title: Re: Trump's boost ahead of midterms Post by tallowood on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:57pm tallowood wrote on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:41pm:
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The timing is important. |
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Title: Re: Trump's Capitulation Post by Big Donger on Jun 16th, 2026 at 2:07pm
Too true, AI.
I doubt Iran's got in the way of DL and Bibi though. DL leaked his so-called tirade himself. Bibi begged to differ. He called it a perfect call, as you do. The authoritarians tend to say that about DL. Vlad, MBS, Kim, Xi - they all enjoy a chinwag with the big fella. I wonder why. |
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Title: Re: Trump's Capitulation Post by Big Donger on Jun 16th, 2026 at 2:12pm Frank wrote on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:55pm:
Oh, I don't know. Putting Iran back in the oil exporting business has to be worth a few bob, no? Rebuilding their bombed infrastructure, sending the mullahs their pallets of cash, one would think it all adds up. But that's just me. You. |
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Title: Re: Trump's boost ahead of midterms Post by Big Donger on Jun 16th, 2026 at 2:19pm tallowood wrote on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:41pm:
Yes, Armchair. You clearly fail to understand the delicate art of geopolitical negotiation. Open the Fuckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah. |
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Title: Trump's approval going up Post by tallowood on Jun 16th, 2026 at 2:33pm
WASHINGTON, June 15 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump's approval rating ticked a percentage point higher in recent days to 36% as public dissatisfaction over the cost of living grew less intense, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll that closed on Monday.
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Title: Re: Trump's approval going up Post by scope on Jun 16th, 2026 at 3:53pm tallowood wrote on Jun 16th, 2026 at 2:33pm:
Keep dreaming yuri. The latest Times/Siena poll finds just 37 percent of Americans approve of President Trump's performance, putting his ratings in new political territory. While recent presidencies have often been unpopular and polarizing, no president’s approval rating has been under 38 percent for more than a few days in the last 17 years, according to our average. If there has been a floor during this partisan era of politics, Trump’s ratings today have fallen to it. |
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Title: Re: Trump's boost ahead of midterms Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 16th, 2026 at 4:21pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16th, 2026 at 12:54pm:
And cause a distraction from the Epstein files. |
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Title: Trump's boost ahead of midterms Post by tallowood on Jun 16th, 2026 at 5:18pm Quote:
You can read the full text of Machiavelli's work for free at the Project Gutenberg "The Prince" instead of barking up wrong tree. |
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