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Message started by Sprintcyclist on May 24th, 2026 at 7:31pm

Title: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Sprintcyclist on May 24th, 2026 at 7:31pm
What did he call them, losers ?


The Trump administration just decided the real threat to America is a disabled person who owns a dog. On Friday, HUD told its fair housing office that, effective immediately, it would stop recognizing emotional support animals and tighten what counts as a service animal for tenants with disabilities. The New York Times broke the story after obtaining the internal memo.
Translation: thousands of disabled renters could be evicted for living with the animal that gets them through the day.
We're talking seniors. Families. Veterans. People with PTSD, anxiety, and depression, the kind of wounds that don't show on an X-ray but make an ordinary apartment feel survivable.
Here's the part that should make your blood boil. The VA's own research found veterans paired with service dogs showed less suicidal ideation and more improvement in mental health. Between 20 and 30 percent of veterans live with PTSD, and nearly 18 service members take their own lives every single day.
And the people who salute hardest at every parade just signed off on taking the dog away from the veteran sitting alone at home, trying to make it to tomorrow.
HUD's excuse? The memo sneered that a whole industry had sprung up to turn ordinary pets into emotional support animals. As if a grieving widow with her cat is the scam bankrupting the country.

Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by greggerypeccary on May 24th, 2026 at 7:37pm

He's a sadistic sociopath.

He gets off on this stuff, just like Frank does.

Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Big Donger on May 24th, 2026 at 8:06pm
Fair's fair, Sprint. Fred Trumft never allowed pets in his government-funded veteran's housing either.

They krap all over the place, you know. It's disgusting.

DL's just continuing his proud family tradition of keeping things clean and nice. Oh - and keeping a few property contracts up his sleeve for Eric and Donnie.

How do you think the family started in this business?

DEEP STATE !!!

Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Bobby. on May 24th, 2026 at 10:00pm
Pets are very important for many people - so that is sad.


https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2026/05/23/18886374.php


Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Sprintcyclist on May 25th, 2026 at 9:13am

Bobby. wrote on May 24th, 2026 at 10:00pm:
Pets are very important for many people - so that is sad.


https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2026/05/23/18886374.php


I was skeptical about support animals till I saw one at work.
A dog, he/she was most impressive. VERY aware, very physically close to her owner.
Her owner would not have been able to leave the house without her support dog.


Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Big Donger on May 25th, 2026 at 2:41pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 9:13am:

Bobby. wrote on May 24th, 2026 at 10:00pm:
Pets are very important for many people - so that is sad.


https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2026/05/23/18886374.php


I was skeptical about support animals till I saw one at work.
A dog, he/she was most impressive. VERY aware, very physically close to her owner.
Her owner would not have been able to leave the house without her support dog.


Sure, but ask Bobby what he thinks of the administration that banned these animals.

Remember, when Bobby was informed that Kristi Noem shot her puppy in cold blood, he pointed out that the dog wasn't pulling its weight and had to be culled.

When we asked Bobby whether he'd support such a person as Secretary of Homeland Security, he said absolutely. You need a killer to take out the trash.

One of Kristi's tactics at ICE, if you recall, was kidnapping the illegals' pets. We've got Fido, they'd text the illegal. You'd better come get him. Otherwise...

Bobby defended such tactics. They're only illegals, he said. You need to be firm with these people. There's a war on.

When DL fired Kristi for being a total goofball, he appointed Markwayne Mullin and told him to go nice. Bobby, needless to say, supported that too.

What about taking out the trash? We asked.

You hardly attract flies with vinegar, Bobby replied. A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down, no?

We tried a supplementary, but Bobby put himself back on auto-reply.

DRAIN THE SWAMP !!!

Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Bobby. on May 25th, 2026 at 2:55pm

Big Donger wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 2:41pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 9:13am:

Bobby. wrote on May 24th, 2026 at 10:00pm:
Pets are very important for many people - so that is sad.


https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2026/05/23/18886374.php


I was skeptical about support animals till I saw one at work.
A dog, he/she was most impressive. VERY aware, very physically close to her owner.
Her owner would not have been able to leave the house without her support dog.


Sure, but ask Bobby what he thinks of the administration that banned these animals.

Remember, when Bobby was informed that Kristi Noem shot her puppy in cold blood, he pointed out that the dog wasn't pulling its weight and had to be culled.

When we asked Bobby whether he'd support such a person as Secretary of Homeland Security, he said absolutely. You need a killer to take out the trash.

One of Kristi's tactics at ICE, if you recall, was kidnapping the illegals' pets. We've got Fido, they'd text the illegal. You'd better come get him. Otherwise...

Bobby defended such tactics. They're only illegals, he said. You need to be firm with these people. There's a war on.

When DL fired Kristi for being a total goofball, he appointed Markwayne Mullin and told him to go nice. Bobby, needless to say, supported that too.

What about taking out the trash? We asked.

You hardly attract flies with vinegar, Bobby replied. A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down, no?

We tried a supplementary, but Bobby put himself back on auto-reply.

DRAIN THE SWAMP !!!




I did not say any of that - you mischievous scallywag .   ;D



Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by tallowood on May 25th, 2026 at 3:13pm
Some veterans love pets while others have allergies to pets.

Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Gordon on May 25th, 2026 at 3:19pm
Sprint loves to lie.

MISLEADING OR OVERSIMPLIFIED CLAIMS
"Thousands could be evicted" — possible but overstated as certain. This is speculation from the NYT framing, not an established fact. Eviction requires landlord action and legal process; the memo changes federal enforcement posture, not the underlying law.
The piece conflates emotional support animals with service dogs throughout. This is the biggest rhetorical sleight of hand. The VA research the piece cites actually found that trained service dogs — not ESAs — produced the mental health benefits. The HUD memo primarily strips protections for ESAs (which require only a doctor's letter and no formal training), while trained service animals retain stronger protections. The veterans argument is emotionally powerful but it's mixing two different categories of animal.
"This saves no money" — asserted, not demonstrated. It's an opinion presented as fact.

❌ MISSING CRITICAL CONTEXT
The piece never mentions that the Fair Housing Act itself has not changed. The Fair Housing Act remains fully in effect, and housing providers are still legally required to make reasonable accommodations for people with disabilities, including those who use assistance animals. The primary change is the removal of the detailed federal framework that previously outlined best practices. The memo changes HUD's enforcement guidance, not the underlying legal rights. Landlords who discriminate can still be sued; HUD just becomes less likely to champion those cases proactively. Animal Legal & Historical Center

Bottom line: The piece is advocacy writing, not journalism — it's built on real facts but selected and framed to maximise outrage. The core story (HUD memo, real threat to ESA users, legitimate concerns about enforcement) is genuine. But the veterans argument conflates ESAs with trained service dogs, the eviction risk is treated as a certainty rather than a possibility, and the removal of HUD guidance rather than the underlying law is a meaningful distinction that the piece buries entirely.

Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Panther on May 25th, 2026 at 3:43pm

Gordon wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 3:19pm:
Sprint loves to lie........

.........Bottom line: The piece is advocacy writing, not journalism — it's built on real facts but selected and framed to maximise outrage. The core story (HUD memo, real threat to ESA users, legitimate concerns about enforcement) is genuine. But the veterans argument conflates ESAs with trained service dogs, the eviction risk is treated as a certainty rather than a possibility, and the removal of HUD guidance rather than the underlying law is a meaningful distinction that the piece buries entirely.


SPOT ON!!! @Gordon     







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Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by greggerypeccary on May 25th, 2026 at 4:07pm

Sociopaths aren't good with animals.

Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by lee on May 25th, 2026 at 4:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:07pm:
Sociopaths aren't good with animals.


And gweggy would know, implicitly. ::)

Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by greggerypeccary on May 25th, 2026 at 4:34pm

lee wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:07pm:
Sociopaths aren't good with animals.


And gweggy would know, implicitly. ::)


Yes.

I studied sociopaths for my Masters.


Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Frank on May 25th, 2026 at 4:35pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 24th, 2026 at 7:31pm:
What did he call them, losers ?


The Trump administration just decided the real threat to America is a disabled person who owns a dog. On Friday, HUD told its fair housing office that, effective immediately, it would stop recognizing emotional support animals and tighten what counts as a service animal for tenants with disabilities. The New York Times broke the story after obtaining the internal memo.
Translation: thousands of disabled renters could be evicted for living with the animal that gets them through the day.
We're talking seniors. Families. Veterans. People with PTSD, anxiety, and depression, the kind of wounds that don't show on an X-ray but make an ordinary apartment feel survivable.
Here's the part that should make your blood boil. The VA's own research found veterans paired with service dogs showed less suicidal ideation and more improvement in mental health. Between 20 and 30 percent of veterans live with PTSD, and nearly 18 service members take their own lives every single day.
And the people who salute hardest at every parade just signed off on taking the dog away from the veteran sitting alone at home, trying to make it to tomorrow.
HUD's excuse? The memo sneered that a whole industry had sprung up to turn ordinary pets into emotional support animals. As if a grieving widow with her cat is the scam bankrupting the country.



Why afre you lying, sprinty??

We aleady have creepy gweggy and wee paki to lie, don't need you too.


Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Big Donger on May 25th, 2026 at 4:36pm

Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 2:55pm:

Big Donger wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 2:41pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 9:13am:

Bobby. wrote on May 24th, 2026 at 10:00pm:
Pets are very important for many people - so that is sad.


https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2026/05/23/18886374.php


I was skeptical about support animals till I saw one at work.
A dog, he/she was most impressive. VERY aware, very physically close to her owner.
Her owner would not have been able to leave the house without her support dog.


Sure, but ask Bobby what he thinks of the administration that banned these animals.

Remember, when Bobby was informed that Kristi Noem shot her puppy in cold blood, he pointed out that the dog wasn't pulling its weight and had to be culled.

When we asked Bobby whether he'd support such a person as Secretary of Homeland Security, he said absolutely. You need a killer to take out the trash.

One of Kristi's tactics at ICE, if you recall, was kidnapping the illegals' pets. We've got Fido, they'd text the illegal. You'd better come get him. Otherwise...

Bobby defended such tactics. They're only illegals, he said. You need to be firm with these people. There's a war on.

When DL fired Kristi for being a total goofball, he appointed Markwayne Mullin and told him to go nice. Bobby, needless to say, supported that too.

What about taking out the trash? We asked.

You hardly attract flies with vinegar, Bobby replied. A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down, no?

We tried a supplementary, but Bobby put himself back on auto-reply.

DRAIN THE SWAMP !!!




I did not say any of that - you mischievous scallywag .   ;D


Oh, you disagwee, is it?

No worries. Tell us how you never supported Kristi then, Bobby.

Tell us all what a terrible mistake all this was and you wish you'd never supported it.

Say that, and we'll immediately correct our memory, apologize and count you in.

Say it.

Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Bobby. on May 25th, 2026 at 4:45pm

Big Donger wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 2:55pm:

Big Donger wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 2:41pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 9:13am:

Bobby. wrote on May 24th, 2026 at 10:00pm:
Pets are very important for many people - so that is sad.


https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2026/05/23/18886374.php


I was skeptical about support animals till I saw one at work.
A dog, he/she was most impressive. VERY aware, very physically close to her owner.
Her owner would not have been able to leave the house without her support dog.


Sure, but ask Bobby what he thinks of the administration that banned these animals.

Remember, when Bobby was informed that Kristi Noem shot her puppy in cold blood, he pointed out that the dog wasn't pulling its weight and had to be culled.

When we asked Bobby whether he'd support such a person as Secretary of Homeland Security, he said absolutely. You need a killer to take out the trash.

One of Kristi's tactics at ICE, if you recall, was kidnapping the illegals' pets. We've got Fido, they'd text the illegal. You'd better come get him. Otherwise...

Bobby defended such tactics. They're only illegals, he said. You need to be firm with these people. There's a war on.

When DL fired Kristi for being a total goofball, he appointed Markwayne Mullin and told him to go nice. Bobby, needless to say, supported that too.

What about taking out the trash? We asked.

You hardly attract flies with vinegar, Bobby replied. A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down, no?

We tried a supplementary, but Bobby put himself back on auto-reply.

DRAIN THE SWAMP !!!




I did not say any of that - you mischievous scallywag .   ;D


Oh, you disagwee, is it?

No worries. Tell us how you never supported Kristi then, Bobby.

Tell us all what a terrible mistake all this was and you wish you'd never supported it.

Say that, and we'll immediately correct our memory, apologize and count you in.

Say it.



Do you know the man he likes you? - he really likes you.



Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by greggerypeccary on May 25th, 2026 at 4:49pm

Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:45pm:

Big Donger wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 2:55pm:

Big Donger wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 2:41pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 9:13am:

Bobby. wrote on May 24th, 2026 at 10:00pm:
Pets are very important for many people - so that is sad.


https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2026/05/23/18886374.php


I was skeptical about support animals till I saw one at work.
A dog, he/she was most impressive. VERY aware, very physically close to her owner.
Her owner would not have been able to leave the house without her support dog.


Sure, but ask Bobby what he thinks of the administration that banned these animals.

Remember, when Bobby was informed that Kristi Noem shot her puppy in cold blood, he pointed out that the dog wasn't pulling its weight and had to be culled.

When we asked Bobby whether he'd support such a person as Secretary of Homeland Security, he said absolutely. You need a killer to take out the trash.

One of Kristi's tactics at ICE, if you recall, was kidnapping the illegals' pets. We've got Fido, they'd text the illegal. You'd better come get him. Otherwise...

Bobby defended such tactics. They're only illegals, he said. You need to be firm with these people. There's a war on.

When DL fired Kristi for being a total goofball, he appointed Markwayne Mullin and told him to go nice. Bobby, needless to say, supported that too.

What about taking out the trash? We asked.

You hardly attract flies with vinegar, Bobby replied. A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down, no?

We tried a supplementary, but Bobby put himself back on auto-reply.

DRAIN THE SWAMP !!!




I did not say any of that - you mischievous scallywag .   ;D


Oh, you disagwee, is it?

No worries. Tell us how you never supported Kristi then, Bobby.

Tell us all what a terrible mistake all this was and you wish you'd never supported it.

Say that, and we'll immediately correct our memory, apologize and count you in.

Say it.



Do you know the man he likes you? - he really likes you.


Stick a fork in his ass, Karnal - Bobby's done.


Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Bobby. on May 25th, 2026 at 4:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:45pm:
Do you know the man he likes you? - he really likes you.


Stick a fork in his ass, Karnal - Bobby's done.



Pecca,
There's something happening out here, man....
I know something that you don't know.
That's right, Jack. The man is clear in his mind, but his soul is mad.
Oh, yeah. He's dying, I think. He hates all of this.
He hates it, but the man's, uh. He reads poetry outloud, all right?...
He likes you 'cause you're still alive.

Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Big Donger on May 25th, 2026 at 4:53pm

Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:45pm:

Big Donger wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 2:55pm:

Big Donger wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 2:41pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 9:13am:

Bobby. wrote on May 24th, 2026 at 10:00pm:
Pets are very important for many people - so that is sad.


https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2026/05/23/18886374.php


I was skeptical about support animals till I saw one at work.
A dog, he/she was most impressive. VERY aware, very physically close to her owner.
Her owner would not have been able to leave the house without her support dog.


Sure, but ask Bobby what he thinks of the administration that banned these animals.

Remember, when Bobby was informed that Kristi Noem shot her puppy in cold blood, he pointed out that the dog wasn't pulling its weight and had to be culled.

When we asked Bobby whether he'd support such a person as Secretary of Homeland Security, he said absolutely. You need a killer to take out the trash.

One of Kristi's tactics at ICE, if you recall, was kidnapping the illegals' pets. We've got Fido, they'd text the illegal. You'd better come get him. Otherwise...

Bobby defended such tactics. They're only illegals, he said. You need to be firm with these people. There's a war on.

When DL fired Kristi for being a total goofball, he appointed Markwayne Mullin and told him to go nice. Bobby, needless to say, supported that too.

What about taking out the trash? We asked.

You hardly attract flies with vinegar, Bobby replied. A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down, no?

We tried a supplementary, but Bobby put himself back on auto-reply.

DRAIN THE SWAMP !!!




I did not say any of that - you mischievous scallywag .   ;D


Oh, you disagwee, is it?

No worries. Tell us how you never supported Kristi then, Bobby.

Tell us all what a terrible mistake all this was and you wish you'd never supported it.

Say that, and we'll immediately correct our memory, apologize and count you in.

Say it.



Do you know the man he likes you? - he really likes you.


There you go, Sprint. The devolution is complete. Five thousand years of human civilisation, an Enlightenment, an Industrial Revolution, and now this.

It_is_a_bot, no?

Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Bobby. on May 25th, 2026 at 5:15pm

Big Donger wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:45pm:
Do you know the man he likes you? - he really likes you.


There you go, Sprint. The devolution is complete. Five thousand years of human civilisation, an Enlightenment, an Industrial Revolution, and now this.

It_is_a_bot, no?




Karnal,
Hey, man, you don't talk to Trump. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic sense. I mean, sometimes he'll, uh, well, you'll say hello to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you, and he won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say "Do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? 'If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you'" I mean, I'm no — I can't — I'm a little man. I'm a little man. He's, he's a great man.

Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by lee on May 25th, 2026 at 6:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:34pm:
I studied sociopaths for my Masters.



Ah yes, the Master Sociopath.

Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Big Donger on May 25th, 2026 at 8:17pm

lee wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 6:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:34pm:
I studied sociopaths for my Masters.



Ah yes, the Master Sociopath.


Ah, but Greggery's onto you, Lee. The distractions, the sophistry, the you're-no-Trump-guy, oh no.

Ever get the feeling you've been farmed?

Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Bobby. on May 25th, 2026 at 8:29pm

Big Donger wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 8:17pm:

lee wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 6:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 4:34pm:
I studied sociopaths for my Masters.



Ah yes, the Master Sociopath.


Ah, but Greggery's onto you, Lee. The distractions, the sophistry, the you're-no-Trump-guy, oh no.

Ever get the feeling you've been farmed?



Hey Karnal,
do you have a big donger?

( asking for a friend )

Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by lee on May 25th, 2026 at 8:54pm

Big Donger wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 8:17pm:
Ever get the feeling you've been farmed?


Only by an attempt  by, you, a fellow master of sociopathy. ;)

Title: Re: trump pushes more veterans to suicide
Post by Big Donger on May 25th, 2026 at 10:59pm

lee wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 8:54pm:

Big Donger wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 8:17pm:
Ever get the feeling you've been farmed?


Only by an attempt  by, you, a fellow master of sociopathy. ;)


We're known as social scientists, Lee, we're most cunning that way.

We can tell, no?  ;)

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