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Message started by Frank on May 13th, 2026 at 12:39pm

Title: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Frank on May 13th, 2026 at 12:39pm
A very good rebuttal of all the TDS nonsense.  Written by a professor of law at Uni of Qld.

https://quadrant.org.au/news-opinions/america/trump-more-sinned-against-than-sinning-2/

Some excerpts:

♦ That under Obama and Biden (both Democrats) the FBI spied on Trump’s presidential campaign, put surveillance on some of Trump’s advisors, lied to a FISA court, fabricated a Russian collusion story to help justify a special counsel that would be used for a Trump impeachment by the House Democrats;

♦ That the Biden administration organised dozens of ex-intelligence higher-ups to announce publicly before the 2020 election that the Hunter Biden laptop story had all the hallmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign – and did so when they all knew, all of them and most relevantly Biden and his senior people – that that was false and that the laptop was real, and we now know that later polling showed the laptop story could easily have shifted the 2020 election outcome, if voters had known it was true;

♦ That as Senator Ted Cruz has just recently made public, Biden’s FBI wiretapped the Trump Chief of Staff Susie Wiles’ phone on a privileged call to her lawyers without the consent or knowledge of either of those parties and then tried to hide this by marking the file ‘prohibited’;

♦ That the Biden administration, with the help of a few Democrat State AGs, brought four ridiculously weak indictments against Trump that threatened to put him jail for hundreds of years – and did this while he was the official opposition candidate in the upcoming presidential election;

♦ Not only that, with the clear support of the Biden administration the New York AG – a woman who ran for the post with the explicit promise to ‘get Trump’ – tried to bankrupt him with a civil suit so risible it was eventually tossed on appeal in the New York state courts. But not before Trump lost at first instance and was fined half a billion dollars.  Remember the basic facts?  Trump gives a value for Mar-a-Logo.  The lending bank sends out assessors and is completely happy with the valuation.  Trump borrows the money and then pays it back early and ahead of time.  A rabidly anti-Trump judge and Letitia James (the above New York AG) build an incoherent case that involved changing all known protocols to posit wrongdoing though all the banks were happy with the loan (and wanted to lend to him again, in fact).  This scheme of theirs also involved the AG and judge valuing Mar-a-Logo at between $18 and $27 million in order to allege some never-before-heard-of and after-the-fact type of fraud against the bank by Trump.  Forbes, by the way, later valued Mar-a-Lago at $650 million

Before Trump won in 2024 the Democrats tried to bankrupt him. They brought four criminal cases against him (two federal, two state) that would have seen him go to jail for six or seven lifetimes.  They attempted to take him off the ballot in numerous states.  The Russia collusion hoax, in my view, was far worse than anything Richard Nixon did as regards Watergate; indeed, it is not even close.  The orchestrated Hunter Biden laptop lies alone may have swung the 2020 election.  And I have not even mentioned the assassination attempts.
And that is without likewise mentioning the behaviour of illegally appointed prosecutor Jack Smith.  Or without me noting that it was Nancy Pelosi who made a fortune from insider-trading on the stock market, not Trump (who is the first President ever to refuse to take his salary).  Or that then President Obama used the IRS to target the Tea Party people.  Or that Hilary Clinton had classified information on her private server and was prima facie patently guilty of a very serious offence.  Yet she was not prosecuted by the Democrats, and when in office the first time Mr Trump thought it better not to prosecute her.


At this point let us stop and ask a question.  Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, the attempts to bankrupt, imprison and take him off the ballot, the legacy media-aided raids on Mar-a-Lago, the list goes on for some time.   And all of these precursors look to me as though they could broadly be characterised as weaponising the Biden Department of Justice and the intelligence services.  Or as systematically violating the rule of law.  Or as undermining the institutional integrity of the courts, law enforcement and the civil service.

These ALL happened to Trump first.  Hence the question: what is the proper way to respond to grievous wrongs done to oneself? How does one (or ought one to) respond when the other side has tried to imprison and bankrupt you, has spied on your campaign, has lied to the FISA courts, has triggered bogus impeachments that eat up political time and political capital, has knowingly covered up the Hunter laptop truth, has behaved far worse than Richard Nixon did?  Do you take it all on the chin and pretend it did not happen?  Or do you set out to find and prosecute the people who did this to you?


You can only judge Trump’s domestic actions in his second administration in the light of what was done to him beforehand by the Obama and Biden administrations.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by greggerypeccary on May 13th, 2026 at 12:52pm

The convicted felon who raped at least one woman, stole money from kids' cancer charities and started an illegal war with Iran is the victim   ;D


Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Leroy on May 13th, 2026 at 12:54pm
This professor of law at some QLD university will now be attacked.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Frank on May 13th, 2026 at 12:58pm
A bit more:


Trump campaigned on the immigration issue and then set about doing what he promised on that issue – where myriad other conservative politicians said one thing to win and then did otherwise time after time after time – just as with every issue on which he campaigned.

Some would say doing what you promised fits in pretty well with an expanded, abstract and fluffy notion of the rule of law (which, by the way, is the understanding of the rule of law which Hartwich himself plainly utilises, for good or ill).  Continuing on with his successes, Trump has reduced the federal civil service to below 1966 levels, down some 11.5 percent or, in head-count terms,  350,000 jobs gone.  He has withdrawn from the Net Zero Paris Accords and the whole climate alarmism worldview to ‘drill, baby, drill’ (yea, says I); from the UN Human Rights Council (yea, says I); from the WHO (yea says anyone like me who understands the role it played in the Covid lockdown thuggery); and other conventions and treaties worth leaving.

Next, because of Trump’s willingness to deploy the National Guard the murder rate in the US is now below where it was 125 years ago, remembering that US murder victims are highly disproportionately black and are highly disproportionately murdered by other blacks.  The deficit is much lower than under Biden.  The first-year respective inflation rates favour Trump2.0 big time over Biden.  Trump has fought back hard against the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion divas in the bureaucracy, civil service and universities – with some wins and some rearguard actions by the DEI divas, yes — but compare this to New Zealand and Australian and British conservatives when in office.  Trump has taken on activist judges and fought to turn off the funding tap going to NGOs, the bureaucracies and NPR, the left-leaning public broadcaster, the taxpayer money often having being spent in ways no one can detail or account for.  Trump knows what a woman is (because, yes, he has some expertise on that front, I admit) and so has tackled head-on the transgender lobby.

....
My long-expressed view is that the left has captured so many and much of the cultural and educational institutions in the West, and the legacy

media and bureaucracy, that it takes a pugilist with the thickest of skins to fight back.  Yes, Trump can be boorish and crass and self-regarding.  But we buy people wholesale not retail.  The kind of person who can get up after three assassination attempts, after the Left has tried to imprison and bankrupt him, after myriad people who should know better have described him as a latter day Hitler (which indirectly licenses violence against the man, ne c’est pas?), well, that kind of guy may well not be someone everyone would want to have at a refined dinner party – though Trump is reportedly pretty good company and funny. 


Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by greggerypeccary on May 13th, 2026 at 1:29pm

Frank wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:39pm:
Before Trump won in 2024 the Democrats tried to bankrupt him.


Lol   ;D

Why would they bother trying to do something that he does to himself regulalry?


Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Bobby. on May 13th, 2026 at 1:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:29pm:

Frank wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:39pm:
Before Trump won in 2024 the Democrats tried to bankrupt him.


Lol   ;D

Why would they bother trying to do something that he does to himself regulalry?



Even though he went bankrupt 5 times the banks still lent him money for the 6th time -
and he went bankrupt again.    ;D

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Sprintcyclist on May 13th, 2026 at 1:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:52pm:
The convicted felon who raped at least one woman, stole money from kids' cancer charities and started an illegal war with Iran is the victim   ;D


and kidnapped a president of another country, and blocked ships giving humitarian aid to a 3rd country

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by greggerypeccary on May 13th, 2026 at 2:00pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:52pm:
The convicted felon who raped at least one woman, stole money from kids' cancer charities and started an illegal war with Iran is the victim   ;D


and kidnapped a president of another country, and blocked ships giving humitarian aid to a 3rd country


Murdered 150 little school girls in Iran and countless innocent South American fishermen.


Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by greggerypeccary on May 13th, 2026 at 2:03pm

Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:29pm:

Frank wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:39pm:
Before Trump won in 2024 the Democrats tried to bankrupt him.


Lol   ;D

Why would they bother trying to do something that he does to himself regulalry?



Even though he went bankrupt 5 times the banks still lent him money for the 6th time -
and he went bankrupt again.    ;D


No US bank will go anywhere near him anymore.

He gets all his capital from Russian oligarchs and Russian organised crime gangs now.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Dnarever on May 13th, 2026 at 4:02pm

Quote:
the FBI spied on Trump’s presidential campaign, put surveillance on some of Trump’s advisors


When a quote starts like this there is obviously no credibility behind the article.

The FBI properly investigated information from an Australian Liberal politician, the investigation was found to be well predicated by a replublical investigator who would have loved to have found otherwise.

This investigation was unknown to the American public till long after the election - in other words Republican politicians who were in bed with Russians was covered up till well after it could impact the election. At this same time the same FBI investigators were holding their 7th investigation into Hillaries mail server announced in public and allowed / designed to impact her campaign a mere few weeks before the election. Yes the FBI did involve them selves in the election that year and it was in support of Trump not against him.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Dnarever on May 13th, 2026 at 4:11pm

Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:29pm:

Frank wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:39pm:
Before Trump won in 2024 the Democrats tried to bankrupt him.


Lol   ;D

Why would they bother trying to do something that he does to himself regulalry?



Even though he went bankrupt 5 times the banks still lent him money for the 6th time -
and he went bankrupt again.    ;D


Trump Chapter 11 bankruptcy

The Six Bankruptcies:

1991: Trump Taj Mahal
1992:Trump Plaza
1992: Trump Castle
1992: Plaza Hotel
2004: Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts
2009: Trump Entertainment Resorts

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Dnarever on May 13th, 2026 at 4:31pm

Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:29pm:

Frank wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:39pm:
Before Trump won in 2024 the Democrats tried to bankrupt him.


Lol   ;D

Why would they bother trying to do something that he does to himself regulalry?



Even though he went bankrupt 5 times the banks still lent him money for the 6th time -
and he went bankrupt again.    ;D


No he went to the Russian bank Vnesheconombank (VEB) amoung others to get his loans.

Deutsche Bank also provided loans but the money was from Russia.

He tried to finance the Trump Tower Moscow through  VTB Bank - (another state-owned Russian bank)



Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by aquascoot on May 13th, 2026 at 4:32pm
The wiley trump understands some things that lefty intellectuals don't.


1. The vast vast majority of people see politicians as a nett negative on their life

So if you want to have a legacy where you are thought of fondly , DO NOT ACT like other politicians .
Donny certainly has that down


2.  Most people apart from leftie intellectuals have virtually no interest in politics and certainly not on policy.
Half of Americans couldn't be bothered voting.

So if you act super confident, keep saying you are winning, exagerate and tell fibs, they won't even notice.
In fact they absorb the porkies like mother's milk .

I think it's a smart move

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by greggerypeccary on May 13th, 2026 at 4:38pm

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
... if you want to have a legacy where you are thought of fondly ...


Don't rape women, don't commit felonies, don't start illegal wars, don't steal from kids' cancer charities, don't screw porn starts when your third wife is back home with a newborn baby, and don't tell everyone that you want to bang your own daughter.

When Trump dies - hopefully this year - he will not be remembered fondly by anyone.

Not a single person on the planet will mourn his death.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by aquascoot on May 13th, 2026 at 5:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
... if you want to have a legacy where you are thought of fondly ...


Don't rape women, don't commit felonies, don't start illegal wars, don't steal from kids' cancer charities, don't screw porn starts when your third wife is back home with a newborn baby, and don't tell everyone that you want to bang your own daughter.

When Trump dies - hopefully this year - he will not be remembered fondly by anyone.

Not a single person on the planet will mourn his death.



Out of  touch,  leftie intellectuals , like yourself  will never be remembered fondly  :)

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by greggerypeccary on May 13th, 2026 at 6:32pm

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 5:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
... if you want to have a legacy where you are thought of fondly ...


Don't rape women, don't commit felonies, don't start illegal wars, don't steal from kids' cancer charities, don't screw porn starts when your third wife is back home with a newborn baby, and don't tell everyone that you want to bang your own daughter.

When Trump dies - hopefully this year - he will not be remembered fondly by anyone.

Not a single person on the planet will mourn his death.



Out of  touch,  leftie intellectuals , like yourself  will never be remembered fondly  :)


We don't want or need to be.

That's what you fail to understand.

We don't crave fame and fortune.

You are so out of touch it's not funny.

Now, to recap:

Not a single person on the planet will mourn Trump's death.  Nobody.

All the women females in his family will be relieved that the raping has stopped, and everyone else will be glad that the biggest monster of the 21st century is rotting away in a shallow grave.

Nobody will miss him.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Leroy on May 13th, 2026 at 6:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 6:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 5:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
... if you want to have a legacy where you are thought of fondly ...


Don't rape women, don't commit felonies, don't start illegal wars, don't steal from kids' cancer charities, don't screw porn starts when your third wife is back home with a newborn baby, and don't tell everyone that you want to bang your own daughter.

When Trump dies - hopefully this year - he will not be remembered fondly by anyone.

Not a single person on the planet will mourn his death.



Out of  touch,  leftie intellectuals , like yourself  will never be remembered fondly  :)


We don't want or need to be.

That's what you fail to understand.

We don't crave fame and fortune.

You are so out of touch it's not funny.

Now, to recap:

Not a single person on the planet will mourn Trump's death.  Nobody.

All the women females in his family will be relieved that the raping has stopped, and everyone else will be glad that the biggest monster of the 21st century is rotting away in a shallow grave.

Nobody will miss him.


One of lifes mysteries is why god put a lump of poo where your brain should be.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Bobby. on May 13th, 2026 at 6:33pm

Dnarever wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:29pm:

Frank wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:39pm:
Before Trump won in 2024 the Democrats tried to bankrupt him.


Lol   ;D

Why would they bother trying to do something that he does to himself regulalry?



Even though he went bankrupt 5 times the banks still lent him money for the 6th time -
and he went bankrupt again.    ;D


Trump Chapter 11 bankruptcy

The Six Bankruptcies:

1991: Trump Taj Mahal
1992:Trump Plaza
1992: Trump Castle
1992: Plaza Hotel
2004: Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts
2009: Trump Entertainment Resorts



He a good talker isn't he?

If I went bankrupt once I'd be too ashamed to show my face to any bank manager.     :-[

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by greggerypeccary on May 13th, 2026 at 6:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 6:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 5:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
... if you want to have a legacy where you are thought of fondly ...


Don't rape women, don't commit felonies, don't start illegal wars, don't steal from kids' cancer charities, don't screw porn starts when your third wife is back home with a newborn baby, and don't tell everyone that you want to bang your own daughter.

When Trump dies - hopefully this year - he will not be remembered fondly by anyone.

Not a single person on the planet will mourn his death.



Out of  touch,  leftie intellectuals , like yourself  will never be remembered fondly  :)


We don't want or need to be.

That's what you fail to understand.

We don't crave fame and fortune.

You are so out of touch it's not funny.

Now, to recap:

Not a single person on the planet will mourn Trump's death.  Nobody.

All the women females in his family will be relieved that the raping has stopped, and everyone else will be glad that the biggest monster of the 21st century is rotting away in a shallow grave.

Nobody will miss him.


Nobody.

His death will be celebrated across the globe.

People will literally piss on his grave.


Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Frank on May 13th, 2026 at 8:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 6:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 6:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 5:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
... if you want to have a legacy where you are thought of fondly ...


Don't rape women, don't commit felonies, don't start illegal wars, don't steal from kids' cancer charities, don't screw porn starts when your third wife is back home with a newborn baby, and don't tell everyone that you want to bang your own daughter.

When Trump dies - hopefully this year - he will not be remembered fondly by anyone.

Not a single person on the planet will mourn his death.



Out of  touch,  leftie intellectuals , like yourself  will never be remembered fondly  :)


We don't want or need to be.

That's what you fail to understand.

We don't crave fame and fortune.

You are so out of touch it's not funny.

Now, to recap:

Not a single person on the planet will mourn Trump's death.  Nobody.

All the women females in his family will be relieved that the raping has stopped, and everyone else will be glad that the biggest monster of the 21st century is rotting away in a shallow grave.

Nobody will miss him.


Nobody.

His death will be celebrated across the globe.

People will literally piss on his grave.

Deformed creeps like you.

Not people.

Get it right.


Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Sprintcyclist on May 14th, 2026 at 2:35am

Frank wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:39pm:
A

......

https://quadrant.org.au/news-opinions/america/trump-more-sinned-against-than-sinning-2/

...........





Quote:
.........  They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports, and omit information ........


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/quadrant-magazine/         

in brief, it is fake news

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 14th, 2026 at 5:19am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 2:00pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:52pm:
The convicted felon who raped at least one woman, stole money from kids' cancer charities and started an illegal war with Iran is the victim   ;D


and kidnapped a president of another country, and blocked ships giving humitarian aid to a 3rd country


Murdered 150 little school girls in Iran and countless innocent South American fishermen.


And claimed he could/would take Greenland by force and wanted Canada to become a new US state as well. Is also threatening to do to Cuba what he did to Venezuela. Started a war in Iran when his own IC told him there was no nuclear threat.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by aquascoot on May 14th, 2026 at 5:46am




Armchair_Politician wrote on May 14th, 2026 at 5:19am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 2:00pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 1:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 12:52pm:
The convicted felon who raped at least one woman, stole money from kids' cancer charities and started an illegal war with Iran is the victim   ;D


and kidnapped a president of another country, and blocked ships giving humitarian aid to a 3rd country


Murdered 150 little school girls in Iran and countless innocent South American fishermen.


And claimed he could/would take Greenland by force and wanted Canada to become a new US state as well. Is also threatening to do to Cuba what he did to Venezuela. Started a war in Iran when his own IC told him there was no nuclear threat.




Donny is just spitballing.

It gets him a lot of attention.....tick.
It makes him different from the 1000s of other politicians....tick


I think it's a smart move

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Marla on May 14th, 2026 at 5:49am
Bail spits need attention for salad words.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by aquascoot on May 14th, 2026 at 12:57pm

Marla wrote on May 14th, 2026 at 5:49am:
Bail spits need attention for salad words.



How big is the queue at the DMV.

And how big is the queue at Krispy Kreme where you are buying your lunch.

Be careful your chair doesn't collapse at work  ;)

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Carl D on May 14th, 2026 at 12:59pm

aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2026 at 12:57pm:

Marla wrote on May 14th, 2026 at 5:49am:
Bail spits need attention for salad words.



How big is the queue at the DMV.

And how big is the queue at Krispy Kreme where you are buying your lunch.

Be careful your chair doesn't collapse at work  ;)


What is the time in Colorado right now?

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by greggerypeccary on May 14th, 2026 at 1:01pm

Frank wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 8:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 6:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 6:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 5:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
... if you want to have a legacy where you are thought of fondly ...


Don't rape women, don't commit felonies, don't start illegal wars, don't steal from kids' cancer charities, don't screw porn starts when your third wife is back home with a newborn baby, and don't tell everyone that you want to bang your own daughter.

When Trump dies - hopefully this year - he will not be remembered fondly by anyone.

Not a single person on the planet will mourn his death.



Out of  touch,  leftie intellectuals , like yourself  will never be remembered fondly  :)


We don't want or need to be.

That's what you fail to understand.

We don't crave fame and fortune.

You are so out of touch it's not funny.

Now, to recap:

Not a single person on the planet will mourn Trump's death.  Nobody.

All the women females in his family will be relieved that the raping has stopped, and everyone else will be glad that the biggest monster of the 21st century is rotting away in a shallow grave.

Nobody will miss him.


Nobody.

His death will be celebrated across the globe.

People will literally piss on his grave.

Deformed creeps like you.

Not people.

Get it right.


Who will mourn his death?

Seriously - who?   :-/

You wait and see - when he dies, the celebrations around the world will be massive.


Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by aquascoot on May 14th, 2026 at 2:32pm

Carl D wrote on May 14th, 2026 at 12:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2026 at 12:57pm:

Marla wrote on May 14th, 2026 at 5:49am:
Bail spits need attention for salad words.



How big is the queue at the DMV.

And how big is the queue at Krispy Kreme where you are buying your lunch.

Be careful your chair doesn't collapse at work  ;)


What is the time in Colorado right now?




You can't be so stupid as to think walter mitty lives in colorado

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 15th, 2026 at 9:55am

Frank wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 8:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 6:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 6:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 5:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
... if you want to have a legacy where you are thought of fondly ...


Don't rape women, don't commit felonies, don't start illegal wars, don't steal from kids' cancer charities, don't screw porn starts when your third wife is back home with a newborn baby, and don't tell everyone that you want to bang your own daughter.

When Trump dies - hopefully this year - he will not be remembered fondly by anyone.

Not a single person on the planet will mourn his death.



Out of  touch,  leftie intellectuals , like yourself  will never be remembered fondly  :)


We don't want or need to be.

That's what you fail to understand.

We don't crave fame and fortune.

You are so out of touch it's not funny.

Now, to recap:

Not a single person on the planet will mourn Trump's death.  Nobody.

All the women females in his family will be relieved that the raping has stopped, and everyone else will be glad that the biggest monster of the 21st century is rotting away in a shallow grave.

Nobody will miss him.


Nobody.

His death will be celebrated across the globe.

People will literally piss on his grave.

Deformed creeps like you.

Not people.

Get it right.


So you have no problem with Trump celebrating the death of Robert Mueller, a highly decorated US Marine Corps veteran and a highly respected lawyer, prosecutor, and public servant, known for his integrity, non-partisan approach, and straight-arrow reputation throughout his career? We recognise your blatant hypocrisy.

By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Carl D on May 15th, 2026 at 11:30am

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 9:55am:
By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.


If only we were living in an alternate timeline where Kamala Harris is US President, the US isn't at war with Iran and Donald Trump is in prison (where he deserves to be).

And, if such a timeline exists I wish we had a way of moving to it.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Leroy on May 15th, 2026 at 11:40am

Carl D wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 11:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 9:55am:
By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.


If only we were living in an alternate timeline where Kamala Harris is US President, the US isn't at war with Iran and Donald Trump is in prison (where he deserves to be).

And, if such a timeline exists I wish we had a way of moving to it.


Try holding your breath until they make Kamala president, it might just work.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by aquascoot on May 15th, 2026 at 12:32pm




Leroy wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 11:40am:

Carl D wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 11:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 9:55am:
By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.


If only we were living in an alternate timeline where Kamala Harris is US President, the US isn't at war with Iran and Donald Trump is in prison (where he deserves to be).

And, if such a timeline exists I wish we had a way of moving to it.


Try holding your breath until they make Kamala president, it might just work.




Lefties have a lot of trouble dealing with reality

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Frank on May 15th, 2026 at 1:14pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 9:55am:

Frank wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 8:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 6:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 6:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 5:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
... if you want to have a legacy where you are thought of fondly ...


Don't rape women, don't commit felonies, don't start illegal wars, don't steal from kids' cancer charities, don't screw porn starts when your third wife is back home with a newborn baby, and don't tell everyone that you want to bang your own daughter.

When Trump dies - hopefully this year - he will not be remembered fondly by anyone.

Not a single person on the planet will mourn his death.



Out of  touch,  leftie intellectuals , like yourself  will never be remembered fondly  :)


We don't want or need to be.

That's what you fail to understand.

We don't crave fame and fortune.

You are so out of touch it's not funny.

Now, to recap:

Not a single person on the planet will mourn Trump's death.  Nobody.

All the women females in his family will be relieved that the raping has stopped, and everyone else will be glad that the biggest monster of the 21st century is rotting away in a shallow grave.

Nobody will miss him.


Nobody.

His death will be celebrated across the globe.

People will literally piss on his grave.

Deformed creeps like you.

Not people.

Get it right.


So you have no problem with Trump celebrating the death of Robert Mueller, a highly decorated US Marine Corps veteran and a highly respected lawyer, prosecutor, and public servant, known for his integrity, non-partisan approach, and straight-arrow reputation throughout his career? We recognise your blatant hypocrisy.

By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.


Didn't 'celebrate ' it. Don't emote, you are not Sad Roo.



Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 15th, 2026 at 1:15pm

aquascoot wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 12:32pm:

Leroy wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 11:40am:

Carl D wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 11:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 9:55am:
By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.


If only we were living in an alternate timeline where Kamala Harris is US President, the US isn't at war with Iran and Donald Trump is in prison (where he deserves to be).

And, if such a timeline exists I wish we had a way of moving to it.


Try holding your breath until they make Kamala president, it might just work.




Lefties have a lot of trouble dealing with reality


Seriously? You're going with THAT for an argument? You have Donald Trump, who still doesn't accept that he lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden fair and square. Not even after filing 62 lawsuits and losing in all 62 of them in a brazen attempt to overturn the election result has Trump admitted that the election was not rigged and that he lost fair and square. He even tried to pressure state legislatures into putting forth fake electors to give him the win. I'm not the one who has trouble dealing with reality - the MAGA cult does.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 15th, 2026 at 1:18pm

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 1:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 9:55am:

Frank wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 8:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 6:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 6:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 5:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
... if you want to have a legacy where you are thought of fondly ...


Don't rape women, don't commit felonies, don't start illegal wars, don't steal from kids' cancer charities, don't screw porn starts when your third wife is back home with a newborn baby, and don't tell everyone that you want to bang your own daughter.

When Trump dies - hopefully this year - he will not be remembered fondly by anyone.

Not a single person on the planet will mourn his death.



Out of  touch,  leftie intellectuals , like yourself  will never be remembered fondly  :)


We don't want or need to be.

That's what you fail to understand.

We don't crave fame and fortune.

You are so out of touch it's not funny.

Now, to recap:

Not a single person on the planet will mourn Trump's death.  Nobody.

All the women females in his family will be relieved that the raping has stopped, and everyone else will be glad that the biggest monster of the 21st century is rotting away in a shallow grave.

Nobody will miss him.


Nobody.

His death will be celebrated across the globe.

People will literally piss on his grave.

Deformed creeps like you.

Not people.

Get it right.


So you have no problem with Trump celebrating the death of Robert Mueller, a highly decorated US Marine Corps veteran and a highly respected lawyer, prosecutor, and public servant, known for his integrity, non-partisan approach, and straight-arrow reputation throughout his career? We recognise your blatant hypocrisy.

By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.


Didn't 'celebrate ' it. Don't emote, you are not Sad Roo.


Yeah, you're wrong yet again. He literally did celebrate it: “Good, I’m glad he’s dead!" - Donald J. Trump.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by greggerypeccary on May 15th, 2026 at 1:26pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 1:15pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 12:32pm:

Leroy wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 11:40am:

Carl D wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 11:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 9:55am:
By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.


If only we were living in an alternate timeline where Kamala Harris is US President, the US isn't at war with Iran and Donald Trump is in prison (where he deserves to be).

And, if such a timeline exists I wish we had a way of moving to it.


Try holding your breath until they make Kamala president, it might just work.




Lefties have a lot of trouble dealing with reality


Seriously? You're going with THAT for an argument? You have Donald Trump, who still doesn't accept that he lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden fair and square. Not even after filing 62 lawsuits and losing in all 62 of them in a brazen attempt to overturn the election result has Trump admitted that the election was not rigged and that he lost fair and square. He even tried to pressure state legislatures into putting forth fake electors to give him the win. I'm not the one who has trouble dealing with reality - the MAGA cult does.


His legal team admitted that there was no evidence to support their claim that the election was stolen.

Rudy Giuliani: “We’ve got lots of theories. We just don’t have the evidence.”

Jenna Ellis: Trump's former attorney was censured after she admitted that she made "misrepresentations" by publicly claiming the 2020 election was stolen.

Sidney Powell: In a court filing, she acknowledged that the claims she pushed were “perhaps” true, a statement made after she faced a defamation lawsuit from Dominion Voting Systems.

Legal Backtracking: During court hearings in Arizona and Pennsylvania, Trump's lawyers backed away from alleging fraud, admitting that they were not claiming that dead people voted or that computer glitches were part of a deliberate conspiracy.

No Evidence: Despite filing over 60 lawsuits, the legal teams failed to provide credible evidence of widespread fraud to overturn election results.

Internal Admissions: Court filings in a defamation case against Fox News revealed that members of the network and some advisors acknowledged in private that the claims of a stolen election were baseless.


Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 15th, 2026 at 1:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 1:26pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 1:15pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 12:32pm:

Leroy wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 11:40am:

Carl D wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 11:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 9:55am:
By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.


If only we were living in an alternate timeline where Kamala Harris is US President, the US isn't at war with Iran and Donald Trump is in prison (where he deserves to be).

And, if such a timeline exists I wish we had a way of moving to it.


Try holding your breath until they make Kamala president, it might just work.




Lefties have a lot of trouble dealing with reality


Seriously? You're going with THAT for an argument? You have Donald Trump, who still doesn't accept that he lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden fair and square. Not even after filing 62 lawsuits and losing in all 62 of them in a brazen attempt to overturn the election result has Trump admitted that the election was not rigged and that he lost fair and square. He even tried to pressure state legislatures into putting forth fake electors to give him the win. I'm not the one who has trouble dealing with reality - the MAGA cult does.


His legal team admitted that there was no evidence to support their claim that the election was stolen.

Rudy Giuliani: “We’ve got lots of theories. We just don’t have the evidence.”

Jenna Ellis: Trump's former attorney was censured after she admitted that she made "misrepresentations" by publicly claiming the 2020 election was stolen.

Sidney Powell: In a court filing, she acknowledged that the claims she pushed were “perhaps” true, a statement made after she faced a defamation lawsuit from Dominion Voting Systems.

Legal Backtracking: During court hearings in Arizona and Pennsylvania, Trump's lawyers backed away from alleging fraud, admitting that they were not claiming that dead people voted or that computer glitches were part of a deliberate conspiracy.

No Evidence: Despite filing over 60 lawsuits, the legal teams failed to provide credible evidence of widespread fraud to overturn election results.

Internal Admissions: Court filings in a defamation case against Fox News revealed that members of the network and some advisors acknowledged in private that the claims of a stolen election were baseless.


I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Dnarever on May 15th, 2026 at 1:42pm

aquascoot wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 12:32pm:

Leroy wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 11:40am:

Carl D wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 11:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 9:55am:
By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.


If only we were living in an alternate timeline where Kamala Harris is US President, the US isn't at war with Iran and Donald Trump is in prison (where he deserves to be).

And, if such a timeline exists I wish we had a way of moving to it.


Try holding your breath until they make Kamala president, it might just work.




Lefties have a lot of trouble dealing with reality



Quote:
reality


There may be no other topic that you are less qualified to comment on.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by greggerypeccary on May 15th, 2026 at 2:10pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 1:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 1:26pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 1:15pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 12:32pm:

Leroy wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 11:40am:

Carl D wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 11:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 9:55am:
By the way, the only reason Trump dislikes Mueller (I would say he hates him) is because Mueller uncovered Trumps' corruption and illegal behaviour and had he lost the last election, would have likely faced prison or massive fines at the very least.


If only we were living in an alternate timeline where Kamala Harris is US President, the US isn't at war with Iran and Donald Trump is in prison (where he deserves to be).

And, if such a timeline exists I wish we had a way of moving to it.


Try holding your breath until they make Kamala president, it might just work.




Lefties have a lot of trouble dealing with reality


Seriously? You're going with THAT for an argument? You have Donald Trump, who still doesn't accept that he lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden fair and square. Not even after filing 62 lawsuits and losing in all 62 of them in a brazen attempt to overturn the election result has Trump admitted that the election was not rigged and that he lost fair and square. He even tried to pressure state legislatures into putting forth fake electors to give him the win. I'm not the one who has trouble dealing with reality - the MAGA cult does.


His legal team admitted that there was no evidence to support their claim that the election was stolen.

Rudy Giuliani: “We’ve got lots of theories. We just don’t have the evidence.”

Jenna Ellis: Trump's former attorney was censured after she admitted that she made "misrepresentations" by publicly claiming the 2020 election was stolen.

Sidney Powell: In a court filing, she acknowledged that the claims she pushed were “perhaps” true, a statement made after she faced a defamation lawsuit from Dominion Voting Systems.

Legal Backtracking: During court hearings in Arizona and Pennsylvania, Trump's lawyers backed away from alleging fraud, admitting that they were not claiming that dead people voted or that computer glitches were part of a deliberate conspiracy.

No Evidence: Despite filing over 60 lawsuits, the legal teams failed to provide credible evidence of widespread fraud to overturn election results.

Internal Admissions: Court filings in a defamation case against Fox News revealed that members of the network and some advisors acknowledged in private that the claims of a stolen election were baseless.


I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.


It's his schtick though - he always plays the victim, and now Melania is doing the same thing (remember that ridiculous address she made from the White House?).

These are vile people.

"DARVO" - Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Frank on May 15th, 2026 at 4:00pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 1:32pm:
I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.




At this point let us stop and ask a question.  Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, the attempts to bankrupt, imprison and take him off the ballot, the legacy media-aided raids on Mar-a-Lago, the list goes on for some time.   And all of these precursors look to me as though they could broadly be characterised as weaponising the Biden Department of Justice and the intelligence services.  Or as systematically violating the rule of law.  Or as undermining the institutional integrity of the courts, law enforcement and the civil service.

These ALL happened to Trump first.  Hence the question: what is the proper way to respond to grievous wrongs done to oneself? How does one (or ought one to) respond when the other side has tried to imprison and bankrupt you, has spied on your campaign, has lied to the FISA courts, has triggered bogus impeachments that eat up political time and political capital, has knowingly covered up the Hunter laptop truth, has behaved far worse than Richard Nixon did?  Do you take it all on the chin and pretend it did not happen?  Or do you set out to find and prosecute the people who did this to you?


You can only judge Trump’s domestic actions in his second administration in the light of what was done to him beforehand by the Obama and Biden administrations.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by greggerypeccary on May 15th, 2026 at 4:08pm

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 1:32pm:
I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.




At this point let us stop and ask a question.  Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, ...


Not a hoax.

It was proven to be true.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 15th, 2026 at 4:08pm

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 1:32pm:
I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.




At this point let us stop and ask a question.  Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, the attempts to bankrupt, imprison and take him off the ballot, the legacy media-aided raids on Mar-a-Lago, the list goes on for some time.   And all of these precursors look to me as though they could broadly be characterised as weaponising the Biden Department of Justice and the intelligence services.  Or as systematically violating the rule of law.  Or as undermining the institutional integrity of the courts, law enforcement and the civil service.

These ALL happened to Trump first.  Hence the question: what is the proper way to respond to grievous wrongs done to oneself? How does one (or ought one to) respond when the other side has tried to imprison and bankrupt you, has spied on your campaign, has lied to the FISA courts, has triggered bogus impeachments that eat up political time and political capital, has knowingly covered up the Hunter laptop truth, has behaved far worse than Richard Nixon did?  Do you take it all on the chin and pretend it did not happen?  Or do you set out to find and prosecute the people who did this to you?


You can only judge Trump’s domestic actions in his second administration in the light of what was done to him beforehand by the Obama and Biden administrations.


I suppose those classified documents found in a bathroom or whatever it was at Mar-a-Lago were planted by those pesky Dems, right?

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 15th, 2026 at 4:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:08pm:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 1:32pm:
I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.




At this point let us stop and ask a question.  Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, ...


Not a hoax.

It was proven to be true.


Sure was! Investigations identified over 100 contacts between Trump campaign officials and Russian-linked individuals. This included: Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort sharing internal polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik, whom the Senate identified as a Russian intelligence officer. A June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower involving Donald Trump Jr., where the campaign expected to receive "dirt" on Clinton from a Russian lawyer. It’s not a conspiracy theory - it’s a fact that Russia interfered with the election and that Trump both benefited from and welcomed it!

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Frank on May 15th, 2026 at 4:14pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:08pm:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 1:32pm:
I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.




At this point let us stop and ask a question.  Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, the attempts to bankrupt, imprison and take him off the ballot, the legacy media-aided raids on Mar-a-Lago, the list goes on for some time.   And all of these precursors look to me as though they could broadly be characterised as weaponising the Biden Department of Justice and the intelligence services.  Or as systematically violating the rule of law.  Or as undermining the institutional integrity of the courts, law enforcement and the civil service.

These ALL happened to Trump first.  Hence the question: what is the proper way to respond to grievous wrongs done to oneself? How does one (or ought one to) respond when the other side has tried to imprison and bankrupt you, has spied on your campaign, has lied to the FISA courts, has triggered bogus impeachments that eat up political time and political capital, has knowingly covered up the Hunter laptop truth, has behaved far worse than Richard Nixon did?  Do you take it all on the chin and pretend it did not happen?  Or do you set out to find and prosecute the people who did this to you?


You can only judge Trump’s domestic actions in his second administration in the light of what was done to him beforehand by the Obama and Biden administrations.


I suppose those classified documents found in a bathroom or whatever it was at Mar-a-Lago were planted by those pesky Dems, right?



Well, they cooked up the Russia hoax, covered up Hunter, lied about the intelligence community, cooked up phoney impeachment and lawfare cases  etc, etc-  so I wouldn't put anything past them


Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Frank on May 15th, 2026 at 4:20pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:08pm:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 1:32pm:
I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.




At this point let us stop and ask a question.  Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, ...


Not a hoax.

It was proven to be true.


Sure was! Investigations identified over 100 contacts between Trump campaign officials and Russian-linked individuals. This included: Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort sharing internal polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik, whom the Senate identified as a Russian intelligence officer. A June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower involving Donald Trump Jr., where the campaign expected to receive "dirt" on Clinton from a Russian lawyer. It’s not a conspiracy theory - it’s a fact that Russia interfered with the election and that Trump both benefited from and welcomed it!


Hoax.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&rct=j&url=https://open.spotify.com/episode/1AkdwkJ6a69LQQwLJFftst&ved=2ahUKEwj2wail0rqUAxXlsFYBHUckHMoQ1fkOegoIAggACAEIHxAC&opi=89978449&cd&psig=AOvVaw0WorCoDuly6xpXXXwfpCLH&ust=1778912145277000



Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 15th, 2026 at 4:20pm

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:08pm:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 1:32pm:
I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.




At this point let us stop and ask a question.  Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, the attempts to bankrupt, imprison and take him off the ballot, the legacy media-aided raids on Mar-a-Lago, the list goes on for some time.   And all of these precursors look to me as though they could broadly be characterised as weaponising the Biden Department of Justice and the intelligence services.  Or as systematically violating the rule of law.  Or as undermining the institutional integrity of the courts, law enforcement and the civil service.

These ALL happened to Trump first.  Hence the question: what is the proper way to respond to grievous wrongs done to oneself? How does one (or ought one to) respond when the other side has tried to imprison and bankrupt you, has spied on your campaign, has lied to the FISA courts, has triggered bogus impeachments that eat up political time and political capital, has knowingly covered up the Hunter laptop truth, has behaved far worse than Richard Nixon did?  Do you take it all on the chin and pretend it did not happen?  Or do you set out to find and prosecute the people who did this to you?


You can only judge Trump’s domestic actions in his second administration in the light of what was done to him beforehand by the Obama and Biden administrations.


I suppose those classified documents found in a bathroom or whatever it was at Mar-a-Lago were planted by those pesky Dems, right?



Well, they cooked up the Russia hoax, covered up Hunter, lied about the intelligence community, cooked up phoney impeachment and lawfare cases  etc, etc-  so I wouldn't put anything past them


Literally nothing you just said is in any way, shape or form true. But I’m curious - how would the Democrats sneak in classified documents by the box load into Mar-a-Lago unnoticed???

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Frank on May 15th, 2026 at 4:21pm
The Federalist heavily covers the "Russia Hoax" (or "Russiagate"), a term it uses to describe the allegations, investigations, and media narratives surrounding Donald Trump’s alleged collusion with Russia during the 2016 election. The publication positions itself as a leading critic of the official investigations, focusing extensively on government overreach, media bias, and legislative pushback.Recent Developments and Coverage2025 Dao Prize Win: The Federalist Staff won the 2025 Dao Prize for Excellence in Investigative Journalism for their multi-year reporting exposing what they describe as a coordinated plot to undermine the Trump presidency through false collusion narratives.Declassified Documents: Editor-in-Chief Mollie Hemingway has led extensive coverage on the significance of recently declassified government documents related to the 2016 Crossfire Hurricane investigation, arguing they prove intelligence agencies lacked verified evidence to spy on the Trump campaign.Legislative Action: The publication has closely tracked political fallout, including reporting on anti-weaponisation measures passing the House Intelligence Committee aimed at establishing accountability for abuses during the initial FBI probe.Core Editorial StanceThe Federalist's coverage centers on several key arguments regarding the Trump-Russia investigations:Intelligence Failures: Emphasising findings from the Durham Report that the FBI launched its investigation without actual, verified evidence of collusion.The Steele Dossier: Pointing to the unverified opposition research dossier compiled by Christopher Steele as the fraudulent foundation used by federal agencies to secure FISA surveillance warrants.Media Complicity: Criticising mainstream media outlets for promoting uncorroborated leak-driven narratives that were ultimately unsupported by the Special Counsel Robert Mueller report.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by greggerypeccary on May 15th, 2026 at 4:24pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:20pm:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:08pm:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 1:32pm:
I have to say, the title of this topic is simply ludicrous. To even insinuate that Trump is a victim is laughable. Every legal calamity that he's found himself in has been of his own doing and thoroughly deserved.




At this point let us stop and ask a question.  Because what happened to Trump came first – the Russian collusion hoax, the attempts to bankrupt, imprison and take him off the ballot, the legacy media-aided raids on Mar-a-Lago, the list goes on for some time.   And all of these precursors look to me as though they could broadly be characterised as weaponising the Biden Department of Justice and the intelligence services.  Or as systematically violating the rule of law.  Or as undermining the institutional integrity of the courts, law enforcement and the civil service.

These ALL happened to Trump first.  Hence the question: what is the proper way to respond to grievous wrongs done to oneself? How does one (or ought one to) respond when the other side has tried to imprison and bankrupt you, has spied on your campaign, has lied to the FISA courts, has triggered bogus impeachments that eat up political time and political capital, has knowingly covered up the Hunter laptop truth, has behaved far worse than Richard Nixon did?  Do you take it all on the chin and pretend it did not happen?  Or do you set out to find and prosecute the people who did this to you?


You can only judge Trump’s domestic actions in his second administration in the light of what was done to him beforehand by the Obama and Biden administrations.


I suppose those classified documents found in a bathroom or whatever it was at Mar-a-Lago were planted by those pesky Dems, right?



Well, they cooked up the Russia hoax, covered up Hunter, lied about the intelligence community, cooked up phoney impeachment and lawfare cases  etc, etc-  so I wouldn't put anything past them


Literally nothing you just said is in any way, shape or form true.


That's our little Frankie.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Frank on May 15th, 2026 at 5:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:20pm:
Literally nothing you just said is in any way, shape or form true.


That's our little Frankie.



Oh, look, we have TWO parrots!



Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by greggerypeccary on May 15th, 2026 at 5:50pm

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 5:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:20pm:
Literally nothing you just said is in any way, shape or form true.


That's our little Frankie.



Oh, look, we have TWO parrots!




Literally nothing you said was in any way, shape or form true.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Frank on May 15th, 2026 at 5:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 5:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 5:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:20pm:
Literally nothing you just said is in any way, shape or form true.


That's our little Frankie.



Oh, look, we have TWO parrots!




Literally nothing you said was in any way, shape or form true.

Nonsense.

It is all very well documented and well known.
Not to lying creeps and TDS kids, but to the sane.


Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by greggerypeccary on May 15th, 2026 at 5:55pm

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 5:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 5:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 5:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:20pm:
Literally nothing you just said is in any way, shape or form true.


That's our little Frankie.



Oh, look, we have TWO parrots!




Literally nothing you said was in any way, shape or form true.

Nonsense.

It is all very well documented and well known.
Not to lying creeps and TDS kids, but to the sane.


And yet you provide no evidence.

No proof.

Just blah blah blah.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Frank on May 15th, 2026 at 6:00pm
The Durham Report, released in May 2023 by Special Counsel John Durham, concluded that the FBI lacked adequate evidence to launch a full investigation (code-named Crossfire Hurricane) into ties between Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and Russia. It sharply criticized the bureau for double standards and confirmation bias.


Key Findings of the Durham Report:
Lack of Original Predication: Durham found that the FBI opened the investigation too hastily and without proper evidentiary basis, relying heavily on raw, uncorroborated intelligence.
Confirmation Bias: Investigators allegedly ignored or rationalized away exculpatory evidence that contradicted the "Russia collusion" narrative and failed to corroborate claims made in the Steele dossier.

Disparate Treatment: The report highlighted that the FBI quickly gave the Hillary Clinton campaign a defensive briefing regarding foreign interference but failed to provide a similar warning to the Trump campaign.

The Intelligence Letter: In October 2020, 51 former senior intelligence officials signed an open letter stating that the release of the laptop's emails had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation".

Republicans and critics assert that the Biden campaign helped organize or promote this letter to discredit the story before the election.

Social Media Censorship: Twitter (now X) and Facebook temporarily restricted the sharing of the initial New York Post story about the laptop. Twitter's then-leadership later admitted blocking the links was a mistake, and conservatives cite these actions as evidence of a coordinated effort by Big Tech and Democrats to suppress politically damaging information.


The "Steele dossier" refers to a 2016 collection of intelligence memos compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele. Funded initially by political opponents and later by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC, it contained unverified allegations regarding Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.

Hoax and Dem/Twatter/Farcebook collusion politically orchestrated.

Also


Obama’s Weaponized Justice Department
The president’s enforcers are penalizing and jailing executives for normal business activities.

October 30, 2015
https://www.cato.org/commentary/obamas-weaponized-justice-department


Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Frank on May 16th, 2026 at 10:46am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 5:55pm:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 5:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 5:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 5:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:20pm:
Literally nothing you just said is in any way, shape or form true.


That's our little Frankie.



Oh, look, we have TWO parrots!




Literally nothing you said was in any way, shape or form true.

Nonsense.

It is all very well documented and well known.
Not to lying creeps and TDS kids, but to the sane.


And yet you provide no evidence.

No proof.

Just blah blah blah.

Too much evidence has shut you up, lying creep.


Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 18th, 2026 at 9:09am

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 6:00pm:
The Durham Report, released in May 2023 by Special Counsel John Durham, concluded that the FBI lacked adequate evidence to launch a full investigation (code-named Crossfire Hurricane) into ties between Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and Russia. It sharply criticized the bureau for double standards and confirmation bias.


Key Findings of the Durham Report:
Lack of Original Predication: Durham found that the FBI opened the investigation too hastily and without proper evidentiary basis, relying heavily on raw, uncorroborated intelligence.
Confirmation Bias: Investigators allegedly ignored or rationalized away exculpatory evidence that contradicted the "Russia collusion" narrative and failed to corroborate claims made in the Steele dossier.

Disparate Treatment: The report highlighted that the FBI quickly gave the Hillary Clinton campaign a defensive briefing regarding foreign interference but failed to provide a similar warning to the Trump campaign.

The Intelligence Letter: In October 2020, 51 former senior intelligence officials signed an open letter stating that the release of the laptop's emails had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation".

Republicans and critics assert that the Biden campaign helped organize or promote this letter to discredit the story before the election.

Social Media Censorship: Twitter (now X) and Facebook temporarily restricted the sharing of the initial New York Post story about the laptop. Twitter's then-leadership later admitted blocking the links was a mistake, and conservatives cite these actions as evidence of a coordinated effort by Big Tech and Democrats to suppress politically damaging information.


The "Steele dossier" refers to a 2016 collection of intelligence memos compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele. Funded initially by political opponents and later by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC, it contained unverified allegations regarding Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.

Hoax and Dem/Twatter/Farcebook collusion politically orchestrated.

Also


Obama’s Weaponized Justice Department
The president’s enforcers are penalizing and jailing executives for normal business activities.

October 30, 2015
https://www.cato.org/commentary/obamas-weaponized-justice-department


Ever tried getting your info from a source that ISN'T a ultra right-wing conspiracy theory website?

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Frank on May 18th, 2026 at 9:19am

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18th, 2026 at 9:09am:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 6:00pm:
The Durham Report, released in May 2023 by Special Counsel John Durham, concluded that the FBI lacked adequate evidence to launch a full investigation (code-named Crossfire Hurricane) into ties between Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and Russia. It sharply criticized the bureau for double standards and confirmation bias.


Key Findings of the Durham Report:
Lack of Original Predication: Durham found that the FBI opened the investigation too hastily and without proper evidentiary basis, relying heavily on raw, uncorroborated intelligence.
Confirmation Bias: Investigators allegedly ignored or rationalized away exculpatory evidence that contradicted the "Russia collusion" narrative and failed to corroborate claims made in the Steele dossier.

Disparate Treatment: The report highlighted that the FBI quickly gave the Hillary Clinton campaign a defensive briefing regarding foreign interference but failed to provide a similar warning to the Trump campaign.

The Intelligence Letter: In October 2020, 51 former senior intelligence officials signed an open letter stating that the release of the laptop's emails had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation".

Republicans and critics assert that the Biden campaign helped organize or promote this letter to discredit the story before the election.

Social Media Censorship: Twitter (now X) and Facebook temporarily restricted the sharing of the initial New York Post story about the laptop. Twitter's then-leadership later admitted blocking the links was a mistake, and conservatives cite these actions as evidence of a coordinated effort by Big Tech and Democrats to suppress politically damaging information.


The "Steele dossier" refers to a 2016 collection of intelligence memos compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele. Funded initially by political opponents and later by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC, it contained unverified allegations regarding Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.

Hoax and Dem/Twatter/Farcebook collusion politically orchestrated.

Also


Obama’s Weaponized Justice Department
The president’s enforcers are penalizing and jailing executives for normal business activities.

October 30, 2015
https://www.cato.org/commentary/obamas-weaponized-justice-department


Ever tried getting your info from a source that ISN'T a ultra right-wing conspiracy theory website?



Don't be ridiculous. "Ultra"!  :D :D

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The first part of my post ( above 'Also") was gleaned by AI.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by greggerypeccary on May 18th, 2026 at 10:23am

Frank wrote on May 16th, 2026 at 10:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 5:55pm:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 5:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 5:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 5:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15th, 2026 at 4:20pm:
Literally nothing you just said is in any way, shape or form true.


That's our little Frankie.



Oh, look, we have TWO parrots!




Literally nothing you said was in any way, shape or form true.

Nonsense.

It is all very well documented and well known.
Not to lying creeps and TDS kids, but to the sane.


And yet you provide no evidence.

No proof.

Just blah blah blah.

Too much evidence has shut you up, lying creep.


You've provided zero evidence, as usual.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Sprintcyclist on May 18th, 2026 at 3:24pm
Trump spent his Sunday afternoon on Truth Social posting AI images of himself commanding a space station and pressing a giant red button as mushroom clouds rose over Ireland and Ukraine. He posted it twice. The second time he added "SPACE FORCE" over it. He also posted himself walking alongside a naked alien at a military base.
It did not stop there. Trump posted an AI video of a golf ball striking Senator Bill Cassidy in the head, celebrating the man's primary loss. He posted Obama, Biden, and Pelosi swimming in a sewage-filled reflecting pool. He posted California Governor Gavin Newsom as a zombie in a padded cell.

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by greggerypeccary on May 18th, 2026 at 3:31pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 18th, 2026 at 3:24pm:
Trump spent his Sunday afternoon on Truth Social posting AI images of himself commanding a space station and pressing a giant red button as mushroom clouds rose over Ireland and Ukraine. He posted it twice. The second time he added "SPACE FORCE" over it. He also posted himself walking alongside a naked alien at a military base.
It did not stop there. Trump posted an AI video of a golf ball striking Senator Bill Cassidy in the head, celebrating the man's primary loss. He posted Obama, Biden, and Pelosi swimming in a sewage-filled reflecting pool. He posted California Governor Gavin Newsom as a zombie in a padded cell.


Are all the nursing homes in Florida full?   :-/

Title: Re: Trump, More Sinned Against Than Sinning
Post by Frank on May 18th, 2026 at 3:47pm
Report: Hillary Clinton Tried To Prove Trump Was Colluding With Russians By Colluding With Russians

Speaking from her home in New York because there has been no valid reason for her to reside in D.C. for the past five years, Clinton celebrated her efforts to prove that Donald Trump had once talked to a person who was also a Russian.

"I knew I was right about that turncoat, Trump. All it took was a bit of sleuthing on my part, as well as a pinch of collusion with high-level Russians and incidental bribes, promises, back-door handshakes, secret emails, murders, etc." said the former First Lady and Secretary of Email Servers as she stared longingly south toward the nation's capital.

When informed that Igor Danchenko had been arrested for lying about the Steele dossier's incontrovertible connection to her, Hillary Clinton immediately expressed her condolences about Danchenko's unfortunate, fatal accident that would soon occur in his prison cell.

She then asked to be excused so she could make a few phone calls.

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