Sydney lawyer and journalist Nick Hanna: We are in a country that is captured by the pro-Israel lobby.

Nick Hanna is a Sydney-based criminal defence lawyer, investigative journalist, and director of The Last Sky, a documentary on Israel's wars in Gaza and Lebanon. He has acted in some of Australia's most significant civil liberties cases and is currently representing protesters and activists caught up in the legal crackdown that followed the Bondi terror attack.

He's asked if dual nationals, those with both Australian and Israeli citizenship, can be prosecuted for war crimes for fighting alongside the IDF in Israel's genocide in Gaza.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqA7suDFnT4

Were dual nationalists doing their service in Israel?

What an idiot.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/ethnic_cleansing.jpg

lee wrote on May 8^th, 2026 at 7:09pm:

Were dual nationalists doing their service in Israel?

"On 20 December 2023, the Australian Centre for International Justice wrote to the Minister for Home Affairs, the Attorney-General and the Australian Federal Police Commissioner with respect to Australian citizens who are currently engaged in hostilities in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT)...

:Numerous media publications have reported that dual Australian-Israeli citizens returned to Israel to participate in hostilities... Despite the publicly available information about Australian nationals’ engagement in the conflict as part of the IDF and violations of international law by the IDF, it appears that the Australian government has failed to provide any public statements advising of the risks involved...

"A failure to investigate and prosecute Australian nationals for involvement in potential war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide and torture as codified in Divisions 268 and 274 of the Commonwealth Criminal Code, would be in breach of Australia’s obligations under international law to investigate and prosecute these crimes. With respect to acts of genocide, the Australian government must uphold its obligation as a State Party to the Genocide Convention to not only punish acts of genocide, but prevent such acts. The inadequacy of warnings issued to date by the Department of Home Affairs may constitute a failure by Australia to comply with its obligations under the Convention."

https://acij.org.au/letter-australia-should-investigate-citizens-fighting-in-the-idf/

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waggawoody wrote on May 8^th, 2026 at 6:54pm:

Sydney lawyer and journalist Nick Hanna: We are in a country that is captured by the pro-Israel lobby. Nick Hanna is a Sydney-based criminal defence lawyer, investigative journalist, and director of The Last Sky, a documentary on Israel's wars in Gaza and Lebanon. He has acted in some of Australia's most significant civil liberties cases and is currently representing protesters and activists caught up in the legal crackdown that followed the Bondi terror attack. He's asked if dual nationals, those with both Australian and Israeli citizenship, can be prosecuted for war crimes for fighting alongside the IDF in Israel's genocide in Gaza. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqA7suDFnT4

Bugger orff...

https://i0.wp.com/apan.org.au/wp-content/uploads/1000251002.jpg

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2026 at 7:30pm:

What an idiot.

FD's logic: Anyone who shines the light on Israel's war crimes is an 'idiot'.

And you’ve already been shown how that meme is untrue. There were very few expulsions of Jews from neighbouring countries before 1948, and those who were were expelled by the imperial powers

And you’ve also been shown who was really behind it all:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1776000584/121#121

Frank wrote on May 8^th, 2026 at 8:08pm:

Bugger orff...

So show how he is mistaken.

This should be interesting, folks...

waggawoody wrote on May 8^th, 2026 at 8:15pm:

Frank wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 8:08pm: Bugger orff... So show how he is mistaken. This should be interesting, folks...

Funny how this comes up when the grusome Islamic slave holders and beheadears' molls return to Australia.

Why ARE there jihadi Muslims in Ausralia? Why any Muslims? They should be all deported and barred from any future entry. No cohntry needs Muslims. There are dozens of Muslim countries. There is no needs for any of them to come to infidelistan.

Frank wrote on May 8^th, 2026 at 8:23pm:

Why ARE there jihadi Muslims in Ausralia? Why any Muslims? They should be all deported and barred from any future entry. No cohntry needs Muslims. There are dozens of Muslim countries. There is no needs for any of them to come to infidelistan.

Why are you so forgetful?

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1768901019

Quote:

FD's logic: Anyone who shines the light on Israel's war crimes is an 'idiot'.

He is an idiot because he says incredibly stupid things. He is not shining a light on war crimes. He is assuming war crimes and going off on a truly idiotic tangent about charging people with war crimes merely for being in the same army, or "alongside" it. It would be no less stupid to ponder whether we could charge every Australian soldier with war crimes becuse of that guy who murdered a few people.

What an idiot.

And thank you for highlighting his idiocy for us.

waggawoody wrote on May 8^th, 2026 at 8:42pm:

Frank wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 8:23pm: Why ARE there jihadi Muslims in Ausralia? Why any Muslims? They should be all deported and barred from any future entry. No cohntry needs Muslims. There are dozens of Muslim countries. There is no needs for any of them to come to infidelistan. Why are you so forgetful? https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1768901019

Expropriating the expropriators.

Impeccably Marxist, pwogwessive.

Or is Islam the motivation for the intifada without end?  Both, as oportunism demands.


The Palestinians are not a people like the Greeks or the Japanese. They are the flotsam of 2000 years of stagnation.

For 80 years they have not demonstrated ANY ability or willingness to create a 'palestinian' society. All, they are is Jewhating terrorists. Thats the beginning and end of their identity. Nor the basis for a country.

Frank wrote on May 8^th, 2026 at 9:46pm:

The Palestinians are not a people like the Greeks or the Japanese. They are the flotsam of 2000 years of stagnation.

Almost the exact argument Mao used to justify the invasion and annexation of Tibet... and the destruction of Tibetan culture.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 8:57am:

Frank wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 9:46pm: The Palestinians are not a people like the Greeks or the Japanese. They are the flotsam of 2000 years of stagnation. Almost the exact argument Mao used to justify the invasion and annexation of Tibet... and the destruction of Tibetan culture.

So?

Mao is now an authority on anything?

No matter what argument Israelis put up to minimise militant Zionist actions, they can never escape what Jabotinsky warned would be their legacy: that they invaded the region and displaced the local population by armed force.

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 9:00am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 9:46pm: The Palestinians are not a people like the Greeks or the Japanese. They are the flotsam of 2000 years of stagnation. Almost the exact argument Mao used to justify the invasion and annexation of Tibet... and the destruction of Tibetan culture. So? Mao is now an authority on anything?

To paraphrase Mao... 'authority grows from the barrel of a gun'.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 9:01am:

No matter what argument Israelis put up to minimise militant Zionist actions, they can never escape what Jabotinsky warned would be their legacy: that they invaded the region and displaced the local population by armed force.

Happened all over the world, on much larger scale.
The only unique thing about the Palestinyans is that they never formed their own nation or country, unlike say Germans, Russians, Poles etc; and that they are Muslims and so cannot reconcile their religion with Jewish dominance over them.

Had they accepted the 1948 borders and formed their own country at the same time the Jews did, or had Jordan, Egypt and Syria not attack Israel 20 years later,  there would be no Jewish settlements in the WB now.

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 9:17am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 9:01am: No matter what argument Israelis put up to minimise militant Zionist actions, they can never escape what Jabotinsky warned would be their legacy: that they invaded the region and displaced the local population by armed force. Happened all over the world, on much larger scale. The only unique thing about the Palestinyans is that they never formed their own nation or country, unlike say Germans, Russians, Poles etc; and that they are Muslims and so cannot reconcile their religion with Jewish dominance over them. Had they accepted the 1948 borders and formed their own country at the same time the Jews did, or had Jordan, Egypt and Syria not attack Israel 20 years later,  there would be no Jewish settlements in the WB now.

Terra Nulius?

"We cannot give any compensation for Palestine, neither to the Palestinians nor to other Arabs. Therefore, a voluntary agreement is inconceivable.

All colonisation, even the most restricted, must continue in defiance of the will of the native population. Therefore, it can continue and develop only under the shield of force, which comprises an Iron Wall that the local population can never break through.

This is our Arab policy.

To formulate it any other way would be hypocrisy.” Jabotinsky

Wow. Meister tries to prove how evil the Israelis are with a quote from someone born in 1880. It would be less stupid to accuse Friedrich Merz of hypocrisy by quoting Hitler. At last, it saves Meister from having to address reality.

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 9:59am:

Wow. Meister tries to prove how evil the Israelis are with a quote from someone born in 1880. It would be less stupid to accuse Friedrich Merz of hypocrisy by quoting Hitler.

Your pills haven't kicked in, then.

Jabotinsky is the founder and father of Revisionist (militant) Zionism. His "Iron Wall" and "Ethics of the Iron Wall" are taught in educational institutions throughout Israel. Almost every city/town in Israel has a street named after him.

Israel honours Jabotinsky through law, state ceremony, Mount Herzl burial (Israel's highest burial honour), Knesset commemoration, IDF and school education, museums and archives, and street names.

His Memorial Day is 29 Tammuz of the Hebrew calendar.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 10:10am:

freediver wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 9:59am: Wow. Meister tries to prove how evil the Israelis are with a quote from someone born in 1880. It would be less stupid to accuse Friedrich Merz of hypocrisy by quoting Hitler. Your pills haven't kicked in, then. Jabotinsky is the founder and father of Revisionist (militant) Zionism. His "Iron Wall" and "Ethics of the Iron Wall" are taught in educational institutions throughout Israel. Almost every city/town in Israel has a street named after him. Israel honours Jabotinsky through law, state ceremony, Mount Herzl burial (Israel's highest burial honour), Knesset commemoration, IDF and school education, museums and archives, and street names. His Memorial Day is 29 Tammuz of the Hebrew calendar.

What is Palestines peace plan with Israel?

Leroy wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 10:12am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:10am: freediver wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 9:59am: Wow. Meister tries to prove how evil the Israelis are with a quote from someone born in 1880. It would be less stupid to accuse Friedrich Merz of hypocrisy by quoting Hitler. Your pills haven't kicked in, then. Jabotinsky is the founder and father of Revisionist (militant) Zionism. His "Iron Wall" and "Ethics of the Iron Wall" are taught in educational institutions throughout Israel. Almost every city/town in Israel has a street named after him. Israel honours Jabotinsky through law, state ceremony, Mount Herzl burial (Israel's highest burial honour), Knesset commemoration, IDF and school education, museums and archives, and street names. His Memorial Day is 29 Tammuz of the Hebrew calendar. What is Palestines peace plan with Israel?

You need to read Jabotinsky before you try your luck at the Arab-Jewish conflict.

Jabotinsky advised that there can be no peace plan with Palestinians or Arabs until the people have been conquered, the Palestinians displaced, and the land taken for the creation of a future Jewish state.

Jabotinsky imagined that, once that was achieved by military force, the Palestinians and Arabs would 'come around'.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 10:26am:

Leroy wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:12am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:10am: freediver wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 9:59am: Wow. Meister tries to prove how evil the Israelis are with a quote from someone born in 1880. It would be less stupid to accuse Friedrich Merz of hypocrisy by quoting Hitler. Your pills haven't kicked in, then. Jabotinsky is the founder and father of Revisionist (militant) Zionism. His "Iron Wall" and "Ethics of the Iron Wall" are taught in educational institutions throughout Israel. Almost every city/town in Israel has a street named after him. Israel honours Jabotinsky through law, state ceremony, Mount Herzl burial (Israel's highest burial honour), Knesset commemoration, IDF and school education, museums and archives, and street names. His Memorial Day is 29 Tammuz of the Hebrew calendar. What is Palestines peace plan with Israel? You need to read Jabotinsky before you try your luck at the Arab-Jewish conflict. Jabotinsky advised that there can be no peace plan with Palestinians or Arabs until the people have been conquered, the Palestinians displaced, and the land taken for the creation of a future Jewish state. Jabotinsky imagined that, once that was achieved by military force, the Palestinians and Arabs would 'come around'.

Have you read the Hamas charter by any chance, so we can argue about who said what but would it not be better to look at what peace plans we can forward now to bring peace to the middle east.

Do you know what the Palestinians peace plan is?.

Summary:

Another idiotic anti Israel thread by HAMAS lobbyist.

Leroy wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 10:31am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:26am: Leroy wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:12am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:10am: freediver wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 9:59am: Wow. Meister tries to prove how evil the Israelis are with a quote from someone born in 1880. It would be less stupid to accuse Friedrich Merz of hypocrisy by quoting Hitler. Your pills haven't kicked in, then. Jabotinsky is the founder and father of Revisionist (militant) Zionism. His "Iron Wall" and "Ethics of the Iron Wall" are taught in educational institutions throughout Israel. Almost every city/town in Israel has a street named after him. Israel honours Jabotinsky through law, state ceremony, Mount Herzl burial (Israel's highest burial honour), Knesset commemoration, IDF and school education, museums and archives, and street names. His Memorial Day is 29 Tammuz of the Hebrew calendar. What is Palestines peace plan with Israel? You need to read Jabotinsky before you try your luck at the Arab-Jewish conflict. Jabotinsky advised that there can be no peace plan with Palestinians or Arabs until the people have been conquered, the Palestinians displaced, and the land taken for the creation of a future Jewish state. Jabotinsky imagined that, once that was achieved by military force, the Palestinians and Arabs would 'come around'. Have you read the Hamas charter by any chance, so we can argue about who said what but would it not be better to look at what peace plans we can forward now to bring peace to the middle east. Do you know what the Palestinians peace plan is?.

You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, then.

The Israeli position is: Israel exists and on its own terms. It currently does not have universally agreed borders, with many internal Israeli maps that include East Jerusalem, the West Bank, parts of Jordan, Syria and parts of the Sinai included as greater' Israel.

The attitudes of those Palestinians and other Arabs who resist range from denying the existence of Israel at all, referring to it as the 'Zionist Entity', to acceptance of Israel's existence within the borders defined in UN Resolution 181, to resisting Israel's current project: the annexation of East Jerusalem and the West Bank, both of which have been condemned by the UN.

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 10:33am:

Summary: Another idiotic anti Israel thread by HAMAS lobbyist.

You're out of your depth on these issues.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 10:41am:

Leroy wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:31am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:26am: Leroy wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:12am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:10am: freediver wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 9:59am: Wow. Meister tries to prove how evil the Israelis are with a quote from someone born in 1880. It would be less stupid to accuse Friedrich Merz of hypocrisy by quoting Hitler. Your pills haven't kicked in, then. Jabotinsky is the founder and father of Revisionist (militant) Zionism. His "Iron Wall" and "Ethics of the Iron Wall" are taught in educational institutions throughout Israel. Almost every city/town in Israel has a street named after him. Israel honours Jabotinsky through law, state ceremony, Mount Herzl burial (Israel's highest burial honour), Knesset commemoration, IDF and school education, museums and archives, and street names. His Memorial Day is 29 Tammuz of the Hebrew calendar. What is Palestines peace plan with Israel? You need to read Jabotinsky before you try your luck at the Arab-Jewish conflict. Jabotinsky advised that there can be no peace plan with Palestinians or Arabs until the people have been conquered, the Palestinians displaced, and the land taken for the creation of a future Jewish state. Jabotinsky imagined that, once that was achieved by military force, the Palestinians and Arabs would 'come around'. Have you read the Hamas charter by any chance, so we can argue about who said what but would it not be better to look at what peace plans we can forward now to bring peace to the middle east. Do you know what the Palestinians peace plan is?. You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, then. The Israeli position is: Israel exists and on its own terms. It currently does not have universally agreed borders, with many internal Israeli maps that include East Jerusalem, the West Bank, parts of Jordan, Syria and parts of the Sinai included as greater' Israel. The attitudes of those Palestinians and other Arabs who resist range from denying the existence of Israel at all, referring to it as the 'Zionist Entity', to acceptance of Israel's existence within the borders defined in UN Resolution 181, to resisting Israel's current project: the annexation of East Jerusalem and the West Bank, both of which have been condemned by the UN.

So do you know what the Palestinian peace plan is?.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 10:44am:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:33am: Summary: Another idiotic anti Israel thread by HAMAS lobbyist. You're out of your depth on these issues.

You are stupid wanker going blind  ;D

Leroy wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 10:46am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:41am: Leroy wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:31am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:26am: Leroy wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:12am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:10am: freediver wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 9:59am: Wow. Meister tries to prove how evil the Israelis are with a quote from someone born in 1880. It would be less stupid to accuse Friedrich Merz of hypocrisy by quoting Hitler. Your pills haven't kicked in, then. Jabotinsky is the founder and father of Revisionist (militant) Zionism. His "Iron Wall" and "Ethics of the Iron Wall" are taught in educational institutions throughout Israel. Almost every city/town in Israel has a street named after him. Israel honours Jabotinsky through law, state ceremony, Mount Herzl burial (Israel's highest burial honour), Knesset commemoration, IDF and school education, museums and archives, and street names. His Memorial Day is 29 Tammuz of the Hebrew calendar. What is Palestines peace plan with Israel? You need to read Jabotinsky before you try your luck at the Arab-Jewish conflict. Jabotinsky advised that there can be no peace plan with Palestinians or Arabs until the people have been conquered, the Palestinians displaced, and the land taken for the creation of a future Jewish state. Jabotinsky imagined that, once that was achieved by military force, the Palestinians and Arabs would 'come around'. Have you read the Hamas charter by any chance, so we can argue about who said what but would it not be better to look at what peace plans we can forward now to bring peace to the middle east. Do you know what the Palestinians peace plan is?. You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, then. The Israeli position is: Israel exists and on its own terms. It currently does not have universally agreed borders, with many internal Israeli maps that include East Jerusalem, the West Bank, parts of Jordan, Syria and parts of the Sinai included as greater' Israel. The attitudes of those Palestinians and other Arabs who resist range from denying the existence of Israel at all, referring to it as the 'Zionist Entity', to acceptance of Israel's existence within the borders defined in UN Resolution 181, to resisting Israel's current project: the annexation of East Jerusalem and the West Bank, both of which have been condemned by the UN. So do you know what the Palestinian peace plan is?.

Yep... stupid is as stupid writes...

Which Palestinians (and Arabs) are you referring to? The ones who deny Israel's existence? The ones who recognise Israel within Res 181? The ones who resist the creation of 'greater Israel'?

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 10:47am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:44am: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:33am: Summary: Another idiotic anti Israel thread by HAMAS lobbyist. You're out of your depth on these issues. You are stupid wanker going blind  ;D

Awww!

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 10:49am:

Leroy wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:46am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:41am: Leroy wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:31am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:26am: Leroy wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:12am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:10am: freediver wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 9:59am: Wow. Meister tries to prove how evil the Israelis are with a quote from someone born in 1880. It would be less stupid to accuse Friedrich Merz of hypocrisy by quoting Hitler. Your pills haven't kicked in, then. Jabotinsky is the founder and father of Revisionist (militant) Zionism. His "Iron Wall" and "Ethics of the Iron Wall" are taught in educational institutions throughout Israel. Almost every city/town in Israel has a street named after him. Israel honours Jabotinsky through law, state ceremony, Mount Herzl burial (Israel's highest burial honour), Knesset commemoration, IDF and school education, museums and archives, and street names. His Memorial Day is 29 Tammuz of the Hebrew calendar. What is Palestines peace plan with Israel? You need to read Jabotinsky before you try your luck at the Arab-Jewish conflict. Jabotinsky advised that there can be no peace plan with Palestinians or Arabs until the people have been conquered, the Palestinians displaced, and the land taken for the creation of a future Jewish state. Jabotinsky imagined that, once that was achieved by military force, the Palestinians and Arabs would 'come around'. Have you read the Hamas charter by any chance, so we can argue about who said what but would it not be better to look at what peace plans we can forward now to bring peace to the middle east. Do you know what the Palestinians peace plan is?. You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, then. The Israeli position is: Israel exists and on its own terms. It currently does not have universally agreed borders, with many internal Israeli maps that include East Jerusalem, the West Bank, parts of Jordan, Syria and parts of the Sinai included as greater' Israel. The attitudes of those Palestinians and other Arabs who resist range from denying the existence of Israel at all, referring to it as the 'Zionist Entity', to acceptance of Israel's existence within the borders defined in UN Resolution 181, to resisting Israel's current project: the annexation of East Jerusalem and the West Bank, both of which have been condemned by the UN. So do you know what the Palestinian peace plan is?. Yep... stupid is as stupid writes... Which Palestinians (and Arabs) are you referring to? The ones who deny Israel's existence? The ones who recognise Israel within Res 181? The ones who resist the creation of 'greater Israel'?

How do you negotiate with three different parties all wanting different outcomes?.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 10:50am:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:47am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:44am: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:33am: Summary: Another idiotic anti Israel thread by HAMAS lobbyist. You're out of your depth on these issues. You are stupid wanker going blind  ;D Awww!

You took it like an Arab  ;D

Leroy wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 10:54am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:49am: Leroy wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:46am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:41am: Leroy wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:31am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:26am: Leroy wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:12am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:10am: freediver wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 9:59am: Wow. Meister tries to prove how evil the Israelis are with a quote from someone born in 1880. It would be less stupid to accuse Friedrich Merz of hypocrisy by quoting Hitler. Your pills haven't kicked in, then. Jabotinsky is the founder and father of Revisionist (militant) Zionism. His "Iron Wall" and "Ethics of the Iron Wall" are taught in educational institutions throughout Israel. Almost every city/town in Israel has a street named after him. Israel honours Jabotinsky through law, state ceremony, Mount Herzl burial (Israel's highest burial honour), Knesset commemoration, IDF and school education, museums and archives, and street names. His Memorial Day is 29 Tammuz of the Hebrew calendar. What is Palestines peace plan with Israel? You need to read Jabotinsky before you try your luck at the Arab-Jewish conflict. Jabotinsky advised that there can be no peace plan with Palestinians or Arabs until the people have been conquered, the Palestinians displaced, and the land taken for the creation of a future Jewish state. Jabotinsky imagined that, once that was achieved by military force, the Palestinians and Arabs would 'come around'. Have you read the Hamas charter by any chance, so we can argue about who said what but would it not be better to look at what peace plans we can forward now to bring peace to the middle east. Do you know what the Palestinians peace plan is?. You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, then. The Israeli position is: Israel exists and on its own terms. It currently does not have universally agreed borders, with many internal Israeli maps that include East Jerusalem, the West Bank, parts of Jordan, Syria and parts of the Sinai included as greater' Israel. The attitudes of those Palestinians and other Arabs who resist range from denying the existence of Israel at all, referring to it as the 'Zionist Entity', to acceptance of Israel's existence within the borders defined in UN Resolution 181, to resisting Israel's current project: the annexation of East Jerusalem and the West Bank, both of which have been condemned by the UN. So do you know what the Palestinian peace plan is?. Yep... stupid is as stupid writes... Which Palestinians (and Arabs) are you referring to? The ones who deny Israel's existence? The ones who recognise Israel within Res 181? The ones who resist the creation of 'greater Israel'? How do you negotiate with three different parties all wanting different outcomes?.

And from both sides...

There are those Jews who deny the existence of Israel as a state at all, those who accept Israel exists with UN Res 181 borders and those who believe in a 'greater Israel'.

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 10:57am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:50am: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:47am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:44am: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:33am: Summary: Another idiotic anti Israel thread by HAMAS lobbyist. You're out of your depth on these issues. You are stupid wanker going blind  ;D Awww! You took it like an Arab  ;D

How does an Asian take it?

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 10:59am:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:57am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:50am: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:47am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:44am: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:33am: Summary: Another idiotic anti Israel thread by HAMAS lobbyist. You're out of your depth on these issues. You are stupid wanker going blind  ;D Awww! You took it like an Arab  ;D How does an Asian take it?

Mao said: MeisterEckhart took it like an Arab  ;D

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 10:33am:

Summary: Another idiotic anti Israel thread by HAMAS lobbyist.

Quote:

The Australian Government officially lists Hamas in its entirety as a terrorist organization, designating it as a violent extremist group with goals including the destruction of Israel. This listing makes providing support, training, or funding to Hamas a criminal offense. Australia has imposed targeted sanctions on individuals and entities linked to Hamas in response to attacks

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 10:10am:

freediver wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 9:59am: Wow. Meister tries to prove how evil the Israelis are with a quote from someone born in 1880. It would be less stupid to accuse Friedrich Merz of hypocrisy by quoting Hitler. Your pills haven't kicked in, then. Jabotinsky is the founder and father of Revisionist (militant) Zionism. His "Iron Wall" and "Ethics of the Iron Wall" are taught in educational institutions throughout Israel. Almost every city/town in Israel has a street named after him. Israel honours Jabotinsky through law, state ceremony, Mount Herzl burial (Israel's highest burial honour), Knesset commemoration, IDF and school education, museums and archives, and street names. His Memorial Day is 29 Tammuz of the Hebrew calendar.

Did you learn about Hitler in School Meister?

Why do you try so desperately to avoid the reality of the situation and focus only on obscure ways to make Jews look evil? There is no shortage of evidence for what both sides actually do, but all you can manage is to tell them whet they think. Or suggest it at least. You don't have the balls to actually say it. You do this in every thread. You can go for a dozen pages without ever actually getting to the point.

waggawoody wrote on May 8^th, 2026 at 8:07pm:

lee wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 7:09pm: Were dual nationalists doing their service in Israel? "On 20 December 2023, the Australian Centre for International Justice wrote to the Minister for Home Affairs, the Attorney-General and the Australian Federal Police Commissioner with respect to Australian citizens who are currently engaged in hostilities in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT)... :Numerous media publications have reported that dual Australian-Israeli citizens returned to Israel to participate in hostilities... Despite the publicly available information about Australian nationals’ engagement in the conflict as part of the IDF and violations of international law by the IDF, it appears that the Australian government has failed to provide any public statements advising of the risks involved... "A failure to investigate and prosecute Australian nationals for involvement in potential war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide and torture as codified in Divisions 268 and 274 of the Commonwealth Criminal Code, would be in breach of Australia’s obligations under international law to investigate and prosecute these crimes. With respect to acts of genocide, the Australian government must uphold its obligation as a State Party to the Genocide Convention to not only punish acts of genocide, but prevent such acts. The inadequacy of warnings issued to date by the Department of Home Affairs may constitute a failure by Australia to comply with its obligations under the Convention." https://acij.org.au/letter-australia-should-investigate-citizens-fighting-in-the-idf/ That doesn't answer the question. Israel dual citizens are required tp do conscription service. That is ot the same as someone going overseas of their own volition to fight. ::)

In any case, dual citizenship does not preclude joining either nation's armed forces. This is not less idiotic than demanding that dual citizens who join our military get arrested by Israeli authorities, because some moron on the internet accuses our military of war crimes.

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 11:45am:

Did you learn about Hitler in School Meister? Why do you try so desperately to avoid the reality of the situation and focus only on obscure ways to make Jews look evil? There is no shortage of evidence for what both sides actually do, but all you can manage is to tell them whet they think. Or suggest it at least. You don't have the balls to actually say it. You do this in every thread. You can go for a dozen pages without ever actually getting to the point.

You need to stay on the pills... your idiocy is a progressive disease...

Laughable that you think you're defending Israel, Israelis and Jews while equating Jabotinsky to Hitler.

Or that Israelis and Jews deny Jabotinsky's gargantuan influence on the creation of Israel by militant Zionists of the 20s, 30s and 40s, and the (Jabotinskyan) means by which they achieved it.

Or that his ideas are the reason Israel exists at all, despite what he recommended regarding Arab and Palestinian displacement by military force.

For a 15-year-old like yourself, you don't have the depth of mind to comprehend the Arab-Jew conflict, nor the courage... You literally don't have the balls for it... Most Jews do.

There are literally dozens of streets, roads or avenues named after him in Israel, including the cities/towns of:

Acre, Afula, Ashdod, Ashkelon, Azor, Bat Yam, Be’er Sheva, Be’er Ya’akov, Beit Dagan, Beit Shemesh, Bnei Brak, Gedera, Givat Shmuel, Givatayim, Hadera, Haifa, Herzliya, Hod HaSharon, Holon, Jerusalem, Kadima-Zoran, Kfar Saba, Kiryat Ata, Kiryat Bialik, Kiryat Malakhi, Kiryat Motzkin, Kiryat Ono, Kiryat Yam, Lod, Ma’alot-Tarshiha, Nahariya, Nes Ziona, Netanya, Netivot, Ofakim, Or Akiva, Or Yehuda, Petah Tikva, Ra’anana, Ramla, Ramat Gan, Ramat HaSharon, Rehovot, Rishon LeZion, Rosh HaAyin, Safed/Tzfat, Shlomi, Tel Aviv-Yafo, Tirat Carmel, Yavne, Yehud-Monosson, Zikhron Ya’akov.

There are also about ten parks, squares and whole suburbs named after him.

Outside Israel, in Ukraine, there's Volodymyra Zhabotynskoho Street in Kyiv.

Even in the USA, Times Square was temporarily renamed "Jabotinsky Square" in 1964 during Jabotinsky’s reburial/funeral procession, when his body was repatriated from New York to Israel.

How many Hitler streets, roads, avenues or boulevards can you name?

I'm pretty sure I know what Jews would think of your associating a prominent Jew with Hitler... Do you?

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 12:22pm:

I'm pretty sure I know what Jews would think of your associating a prominent Jew with Hitler... Do you?

Arafat's uncle was Muslim Arab not Jew.

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while equating Jabotinsky to Hitler

;D

I was hoping to highlight how stupid your argument is. It obviously went way over your head.

Do you have a point Meister? Are you brave enough to say what it is, or are you afraid the elders of zion will come and get you if you speak plainly?

This is the reality you try so desperately to avoid: Despite everything that they and their ancestors went through, Israel has created a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards, violent, hostile and corrupt places on earth. The significant Arab Muslim population enjoys more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. They did all this while being under pretty much constant attack by rabid, Jew hating Muslims. We even had Muslims right here on this forum, Aussie converts with no link to the area other than their adopted religion, explaining why Islam motivates them to support ongoing violence against Jews. You prefer to pretend they don't exist, because it doesn't fit with your  blame-the-jews narrative and you cannot tolerate the possibility that all the promotion of violence, war and hatred of Jews in Islamic doctrine might actually cause all the violence, war and hatred of Jews in Muslim countries.

No wonder the best you can do is dribble incoherently about Jabotinsky. How many pages will it take you to figure out what your point is this time? 20?

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freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 12:48pm:

Quote: while equating Jabotinsky to Hitler ;D I was hoping to highlight how stupid your argument is. It obviously went way over your head. Do you have a point Meister? Are you brave enough to say what it is, or are you afraid the elders of zion will come and get you if you speak plainly? This is the reality you try so desperately to avoid: Despite everything that they and their ancestors went through, Israel has created a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards, violent, hostile and corrupt places on earth. The significant Arab Muslim population enjoys more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. They did all this while being under pretty much constant attack by rabid, Jew hating Muslims. We even had Muslims right here on this forum, Aussie converts with no link to the area other than their adopted religion, explaining why Islam motivates them to support ongoing violence against Jews. You prefer to pretend they don't exist, because you cannot tolerate the possibility that all the promotion of violence, war and hatred of Jews in Islamic doctrine might actually cause all the violence, war and hatred of Jews in Muslim countries. No wonder the best you can do is dribble incoherently about Jabotinsky. How many pages will it take you to figure out what your point is this time? 20? []http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/ethnic_cleansing.jpg[]

I guess you're not aware that any association of Jews with Hitler is off limits.

What European Jews went through was 2000 years of depraved European Jew hate, which was the impetus for the successful creation of Israel.

You need to understand that your teenage mindset can not absorb an issue as complex as the Arab-Jewish conflict.

And that meme you've posted over 50 times... how many times do you have to be schooled in its contents?

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 1:03pm:

freediver wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 12:48pm: Quote: while equating Jabotinsky to Hitler ;D I was hoping to highlight how stupid your argument is. It obviously went way over your head. Do you have a point Meister? Are you brave enough to say what it is, or are you afraid the elders of zion will come and get you if you speak plainly? This is the reality you try so desperately to avoid: Despite everything that they and their ancestors went through, Israel has created a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards, violent, hostile and corrupt places on earth. The significant Arab Muslim population enjoys more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. They did all this while being under pretty much constant attack by rabid, Jew hating Muslims. We even had Muslims right here on this forum, Aussie converts with no link to the area other than their adopted religion, explaining why Islam motivates them to support ongoing violence against Jews. You prefer to pretend they don't exist, because you cannot tolerate the possibility that all the promotion of violence, war and hatred of Jews in Islamic doctrine might actually cause all the violence, war and hatred of Jews in Muslim countries. No wonder the best you can do is dribble incoherently about Jabotinsky. How many pages will it take you to figure out what your point is this time? 20? []http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/ethnic_cleansing.jpg[] I guess you're not aware that any association of Jews with Hitler is off limits. What European Jews went through was 2000 years of depraved European Jew hate, which was the impetus for the successful creation of Israel. You need to understand that your teenage mindset can not absorb an issue as complex as the Arab-Jewish conflict. And that meme you've posted over 50 times... how many times do you have to be schooled in its contents?

No one will have peace if all you want is to be right especially when both believe they are right.

What is required for peace, what compromise is there to achieve peace. If all you want is to relitigate past issues then its you that is not in pursuit of peace.

Leroy wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 1:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 1:03pm: freediver wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 12:48pm: Quote: while equating Jabotinsky to Hitler ;D I was hoping to highlight how stupid your argument is. It obviously went way over your head. Do you have a point Meister? Are you brave enough to say what it is, or are you afraid the elders of zion will come and get you if you speak plainly? This is the reality you try so desperately to avoid: Despite everything that they and their ancestors went through, Israel has created a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards, violent, hostile and corrupt places on earth. The significant Arab Muslim population enjoys more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. They did all this while being under pretty much constant attack by rabid, Jew hating Muslims. We even had Muslims right here on this forum, Aussie converts with no link to the area other than their adopted religion, explaining why Islam motivates them to support ongoing violence against Jews. You prefer to pretend they don't exist, because you cannot tolerate the possibility that all the promotion of violence, war and hatred of Jews in Islamic doctrine might actually cause all the violence, war and hatred of Jews in Muslim countries. No wonder the best you can do is dribble incoherently about Jabotinsky. How many pages will it take you to figure out what your point is this time? 20? []http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/ethnic_cleansing.jpg[] I guess you're not aware that any association of Jews with Hitler is off limits. What European Jews went through was 2000 years of depraved European Jew hate, which was the impetus for the successful creation of Israel. You need to understand that your teenage mindset can not absorb an issue as complex as the Arab-Jewish conflict. And that meme you've posted over 50 times... how many times do you have to be schooled in its contents? No one will have peace if all you want is to be right especially when both believe they are right.

Correct. Even Jabotinsky recognised that the Arab-Jewish conflict was predicated on right vs right.

Jew haters don't end well, remember that.

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tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 1:15pm:

Jew haters don't end well, remember that. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1c/Hitler_body_double%2C_identified_as_Gustave_Weler_%28side_view%29.png []https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/3843/bXiKiC.png[]

Except the ones that got away...

Like into the Soviet Union and the USA to further each nation's military advancements...

Or the ones in South America, most of whom lived to a ripe old age.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 1:20pm:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 1:15pm: Jew haters don't end well, remember that. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1c/Hitler_body_double%2C_identified_as_Gustave_Weler_%28side_view%29.png []https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/3843/bXiKiC.png[] Except the ones that got away... Like into the Soviet Union and the USA to further each nation's military advancements... Or the ones in South America, most of whom lived to a ripe old age.

They lived and died in constant fear because that is the fate of any Jew hater.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 12:22pm:

freediver wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 11:45am: Did you learn about Hitler in School Meister? Why do you try so desperately to avoid the reality of the situation and focus only on obscure ways to make Jews look evil? There is no shortage of evidence for what both sides actually do, but all you can manage is to tell them whet they think. Or suggest it at least. You don't have the balls to actually say it. You do this in every thread. You can go for a dozen pages without ever actually getting to the point. You need to stay on the pills... your idiocy is a progressive disease... Laughable that you think you're defending Israel, Israelis and Jews while equating Jabotinsky to Hitler. Or that Israelis and Jews deny Jabotinsky's gargantuan influence on the creation of Israel by militant Zionists of the 20s, 30s and 40s, and the (Jabotinskyan) means by which they achieved it. Or that his ideas are the reason Israel exists at all, despite what he recommended regarding Arab and Palestinian displacement by military force. For a 15-year-old like yourself, you don't have the depth of mind to comprehend the Arab-Jew conflict, nor the courage... You literally don't have the balls for it... Most Jews do. There are literally dozens of streets, roads or avenues named after him in Israel, including the cities/towns of: Acre, Afula, Ashdod, Ashkelon, Azor, Bat Yam, Be’er Sheva, Be’er Ya’akov, Beit Dagan, Beit Shemesh, Bnei Brak, Gedera, Givat Shmuel, Givatayim, Hadera, Haifa, Herzliya, Hod HaSharon, Holon, Jerusalem, Kadima-Zoran, Kfar Saba, Kiryat Ata, Kiryat Bialik, Kiryat Malakhi, Kiryat Motzkin, Kiryat Ono, Kiryat Yam, Lod, Ma’alot-Tarshiha, Nahariya, Nes Ziona, Netanya, Netivot, Ofakim, Or Akiva, Or Yehuda, Petah Tikva, Ra’anana, Ramla, Ramat Gan, Ramat HaSharon, Rehovot, Rishon LeZion, Rosh HaAyin, Safed/Tzfat, Shlomi, Tel Aviv-Yafo, Tirat Carmel, Yavne, Yehud-Monosson, Zikhron Ya’akov. There are also about ten parks, squares and whole suburbs named after him. Outside Israel, in Ukraine, there's Volodymyra Zhabotynskoho Street in Kyiv. Even in the USA, Times Square was temporarily renamed "Jabotinsky Square" in 1964 during Jabotinsky’s reburial/funeral procession, when his body was repatriated from New York to Israel. How many Hitler streets, roads, avenues or boulevards can you name? I'm pretty sure I know what Jews would think of your associating a prominent Jew with Hitler... Do you?

You latch onto Jabotinsky as if he had only ONE idea (a bit like you), that of right versus right. As if streets were named afted him just for that.



He wanted a strong and proud Israel, knowing that you cant reason with Muslims so you need to have strong arms. Not a particularly striking or unusual idea, anyone could have told him that.

Muslims see only strong and weak horses. Jews were weak horses in Europe and got the pogroms, expulsions and in the end the holocaust from the very country where they were most integrated and assimilated.
Never again - that mens never again weak horses.

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 1:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 1:20pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 1:15pm: Jew haters don't end well, remember that. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1c/Hitler_body_double%2C_identified_as_Gustave_Weler_%28side_view%29.png []https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/3843/bXiKiC.png[] Except the ones that got away... Like into the Soviet Union and the USA to further each nation's military advancements... Or the ones in South America, most of whom lived to a ripe old age. They lived and died in constant fear because that is the fate of any Jew hater.

Not from what we know of them...

Wernher von Braun was even photographed with JFK.

https://www.jfklibrary.org/sites/default/files/2018-08/VBM_JFKjpg.jpg

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 1:37pm:

You latch onto Jabotinsky as if he had only ONE idea (a bit like you), that of right versus right. As if streets were named afted him just for that. He wanted a strong and proud Israel, knowing that you cant reason with Muslims so you need to have strong arms. Not a particularly striking or unusual idea, anyone could have told him that. Muslims see only strong and weak horses. Jews were weak horses in Europe and got the pogroms, expulsions and in the end the holocaust from the very country where they were most integrated and assimilated. Never again - that mens never again weak horses.

Haven't read Jabotinsky, then... not surprising.

Jabotinsky never mentioned Muslims or Islam in his writings as the cause of the conflict... it was literally on religious grounds that Jews, themselves, claimed the land in the first place.

He insisted that Palestinians and Arabs should and must resist militant Zionists... they were honourable people according to Jabotinsky, and nothing less should be expected from them but armed resistance as honourable people.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 1:43pm:

Frank wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 1:37pm: You latch onto Jabotinsky as if he had only ONE idea (a bit like you), that of right versus right. As if streets were named afted him just for that. He wanted a strong and proud Israel, knowing that you cant reason with Muslims so you need to have strong arms. Not a particularly striking or unusual idea, anyone could have told him that. Muslims see only strong and weak horses. Jews were weak horses in Europe and got the pogroms, expulsions and in the end the holocaust from the very country where they were most integrated and assimilated. Never again - that mens never again weak horses. Haven't read Jabotinsky, then... not surprising. Jabotinsky never mentioned Muslims or Islam in his writings as the cause of the conflict... it was literally on religious grounds that Jews, themselves, claimed the land in the first place. He insisted that Palestinians and Arabs should and must resist militant Zionists... they were honourable people according to Jabotinsky, and nothing less should be expected from them but armed resistance as honourable people.

So whats your path to peace?.

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 11:11am:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 10:33am: Summary: Another idiotic anti Israel thread by HAMAS lobbyist. Quote: The Australian Government officially lists Hamas in its entirety as a terrorist organization, designating it as a violent extremist group with goals including the destruction of Israel. This listing makes providing support, training, or funding to Hamas a criminal offense. Australia has imposed targeted sanctions on individuals and entities linked to Hamas in response to attacks

Exterminating anti Israel vermin is not war crime like some of their supporters pretend.

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Leroy wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 1:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 1:43pm: Frank wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 1:37pm: You latch onto Jabotinsky as if he had only ONE idea (a bit like you), that of right versus right. As if streets were named afted him just for that. He wanted a strong and proud Israel, knowing that you cant reason with Muslims so you need to have strong arms. Not a particularly striking or unusual idea, anyone could have told him that. Muslims see only strong and weak horses. Jews were weak horses in Europe and got the pogroms, expulsions and in the end the holocaust from the very country where they were most integrated and assimilated. Never again - that mens never again weak horses. Haven't read Jabotinsky, then... not surprising. Jabotinsky never mentioned Muslims or Islam in his writings as the cause of the conflict... it was literally on religious grounds that Jews, themselves, claimed the land in the first place. He insisted that Palestinians and Arabs should and must resist militant Zionists... they were honourable people according to Jabotinsky, and nothing less should be expected from them but armed resistance as honourable people. So whats your path to peace?.

I can't see one...

And even Jabotinsky can't help with that... He had a blithe, dismissive prognosis for the conflict once Israel was established.

He thought Palestinians and Arabs would just 'come around' once the Israeli state had been established.

I suspect he always knew better, given his insistence that Arabs and Palestinians should and must resist militant Zionist (cum IDF) actions against them, including their displacement and dispossession.

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Palestinians and Arabs

Two different ethnic groups.

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 2:16pm:

Quote: Palestinians and Arabs Two different ethnic groups.

Palestinians are ethnically Arab - a specific, indigenous Palestinian-Arab group, not a subset that migrated from the Arabian Peninsula.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 2:19pm:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:16pm: Quote: Palestinians and Arabs Two different ethnic groups. Palestinians are ethnically Arab - a specific, indigenous Palestinian-Arab group, not a subset that migrated from the Arabian Peninsula.

So did Jabotinsky wrote Arabs Palestinians or "Palestinians and Arabs" like you did?

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 1:38pm:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 1:27pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 1:20pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 1:15pm: Jew haters don't end well, remember that. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1c/Hitler_body_double%2C_identified_as_Gustave_Weler_%28side_view%29.png []https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/3843/bXiKiC.png[] Except the ones that got away... Like into the Soviet Union and the USA to further each nation's military advancements... Or the ones in South America, most of whom lived to a ripe old age. They lived and died in constant fear because that is the fate of any Jew hater. Not from what we know of them... Wernher von Braun was even photographed with JFK. https://www.jfklibrary.org/sites/default/files/2018-08/VBM_JFKjpg.jpg

Ho hum.



In 1939, I was officially demanded to join the National Socialist Party. At this time I was already Technical Director at the Army Rocket Center at Peenemünde (Baltic Sea). The technical work carried out there had, in the meantime, attracted more and more attention in higher levels. Thus, my refusal to join the party would have meant that I would have to abandon the work of my life. Therefore, I decided to join. My membership in the party did not involve any political activity.[29]
https://archive.org/details/vonbraundreamero00neuf
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Von Braun, like other Peenemünders, was assigned to the local group in Karlshagen; there is no evidence that he did more than send in his monthly dues.

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 2:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:19pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:16pm: Quote: Palestinians and Arabs Two different ethnic groups. Palestinians are ethnically Arab - a specific, indigenous Palestinian-Arab group, not a subset that migrated from the Arabian Peninsula. So did Jabotinsky wrote Arabs Palestinians or "Palestinians and Arabs" like you did?

He referred to them as Palestinians and Arabs.

His reference to Palestinians was as a nationality, not an ethnicity, as did all Jews of his time.

His reference to Arabs referred to non-Palestinian Arabs sympathetic to the Palestinian-Arab cause.

lee wrote on May 8^th, 2026 at 7:09pm:

Were dual nationalists doing their service in Israel?

I don't think that doing national service with basically a terrorist group involved in commiting crimes  counts?

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 2:19pm:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:16pm: Quote: Palestinians and Arabs Two different ethnic groups. Palestinians are ethnically Arab - a specific, indigenous Palestinian-Arab group, not a subset that migrated from the Arabian Peninsula.

Up to a point, Lord Copper.


The poulations outside Araby before the Muslim Arab conquests were not ethically Arabic but became Muslim converts over a centuries-long process.

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 2:25pm:

Ho hum. In 1939, I was officially demanded to join the National Socialist Party. At this time I was already Technical Director at the Army Rocket Center at Peenemünde (Baltic Sea). The technical work carried out there had, in the meantime, attracted more and more attention in higher levels. Thus, my refusal to join the party would have meant that I would have to abandon the work of my life. Therefore, I decided to join. My membership in the party did not involve any political activity.[29] https://archive.org/details/vonbraundreamero00neuf ... Von Braun, like other Peenemünders, was assigned to the local group in Karlshagen; there is no evidence that he did more than send in his monthly dues.

Yeah... and didn't they all say that! Tweren't my choice, I was forced to join at gunpoint.

Garbage, of course, but one that the Americans promoted to sanction letting him into the US, despite the US law against any former member of the Nazi Party or Nazi government of Germany from entering the country.

In fact, established Nazi members were deeply suspicious of any latecomers to the party and did not force anyone to join against their will... they didn't need to... By 1935, Germans were queueing up in their tens of thousands to join.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 2:38pm:

Frank wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:25pm: Ho hum. In 1939, I was officially demanded to join the National Socialist Party. At this time I was already Technical Director at the Army Rocket Center at Peenemünde (Baltic Sea). The technical work carried out there had, in the meantime, attracted more and more attention in higher levels. Thus, my refusal to join the party would have meant that I would have to abandon the work of my life. Therefore, I decided to join. My membership in the party did not involve any political activity.[29] https://archive.org/details/vonbraundreamero00neuf ... Von Braun, like other Peenemünders, was assigned to the local group in Karlshagen; there is no evidence that he did more than send in his monthly dues. Yeah... and didn't they all say that! Tweren't my choice, I was forced to join at gunpoint. Garbage, of course, but one that the Americans promoted to sanction letting him into the US, despite the US law against any former member of the Nazi Party or Nazi government of Germany from entering the country. In fact, established Nazi members were deeply suspicious of any latecomers to the party and did not force anyone to join against their will... they didn't need to... By 1935, Germans were queueing up in their tens of thousands to join.

Something I recently heard about... many very old German and Austrian men have/had a similar elongated scar on their left arm... something very few spoke of.

How did they come about? In the very last days of WW2, the last desperate Waffen SS units were forcibly recruiting boys as young as 12 and 13 into what was left of their units.

There was a requirement to have the SS soldiers' blood type tattooed on their left armpit.

However, in the heat of the moment, the boys were often crudely tattooed with 'SS' where their blood type was unknown and on the outside of the arm because the boys objected to taking their shirts off in front of men.

Immediately after the war, they had them burnt off, most likely at the insistence of their fathers or other family members.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 2:38pm:

Frank wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:25pm: Ho hum. In 1939, I was officially demanded to join the National Socialist Party. At this time I was already Technical Director at the Army Rocket Center at Peenemünde (Baltic Sea). The technical work carried out there had, in the meantime, attracted more and more attention in higher levels. Thus, my refusal to join the party would have meant that I would have to abandon the work of my life. Therefore, I decided to join. My membership in the party did not involve any political activity.[29] https://archive.org/details/vonbraundreamero00neuf ... Von Braun, like other Peenemünders, was assigned to the local group in Karlshagen; there is no evidence that he did more than send in his monthly dues. Yeah... and didn't they all say that! Tweren't my choice, I was forced to join at gunpoint. Garbage, of course, but one that the Americans promoted to sanction letting him into the US, despite the US law against any former member of the Nazi Party or Nazi government of Germany from entering the country. In fact, established Nazi members were deeply suspicious of any latecomers to the party and did not force anyone to join against their will... they didn't need to... By 1935, Germans were queueing up in their tens of thousands to join.

Later examination of von Braun's background, conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation, suggests that his background check file contained no derogatory information pertaining to his involvement in the party, but it was found that he had numerous letters of commendation for outstanding performance of duties during his time working under the Nazi party.[33] Overall FBI conclusions point to von Braun's involvement in the Nazi Party to be purely for the advancement of his academic career, or out of fear of imprisonment or execution.


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Consequences of Non-Membership and Dissent:Professional Exclusion: Public sector jobs, academic positions, and high-level jobs often required party affiliation. Those who refused faced limited career opportunities or loss of employment.Social Conformity: Propaganda and social pressure created a climate where not conforming was suspicious, making everyday life difficult for those who did not show allegiance to the party, according to the Holocaust Encyclopedia.Active Opposition and Risks: Expressing dissent, criticizing the regime, or symbolic refusals (such as not performing the Hitler salute) were seen as hostile acts, resulting in surveillance by the Gestapo, imprisonment, or incarceration in concentration camps.Symbolic Defiance: Refusal to comply with Nazi salutes or other rituals was often reported by neighbors or officials, leading to arrests and potential "protective detention" (Schutzhaft), says the Holocaust Encyclopedia.Exceptions and EscalationThe "Malicious Practices Act": Passed in March 1933, this law meant that even light criticism of the government could lead to arrest and imprisonment."Enemies of the State": Those who were seen as a danger to the state, including political opponents, were targeted, and their treatment often depended on their perceived threat level, notes the Holocaust Encyclopedia.Church and Social Opposition: People belonging to certain religious groups, like Jehovah’s Witnesses, were sent to camps for their refusal to pledge obedience to the state, reports the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust.While many Germans who did not join the party continued their lives by keeping their heads down, the regime’s power over the state, workplaces, and daily life made refusing membership a significant risk that could lead to loss of livelihood or, for active dissenters, loss of life.

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 2:54pm:

Later examination of von Braun's background, conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation, suggests that his background check file contained no derogatory information pertaining to his involvement in the party, but it was found that he had numerous letters of commendation for outstanding performance of duties during his time working under the Nazi party.[33] Overall FBI conclusions point to von Braun's involvement in the Nazi Party to be purely for the advancement of his academic career, or out of fear of imprisonment or execution.

Yep... the usual twaddle peddled by post-war ex-Nazi Party members in collusion with the US government...

No one was sanctioned, imprisoned or executed for not joining the Bazi Party. The Nazi Party seniors saw membership as a privilege, not a duty.

What the president wants, the president gets, regardless of law or the Constitution.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 2:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:38pm: Frank wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:25pm: Ho hum. In 1939, I was officially demanded to join the National Socialist Party. At this time I was already Technical Director at the Army Rocket Center at Peenemünde (Baltic Sea). The technical work carried out there had, in the meantime, attracted more and more attention in higher levels. Thus, my refusal to join the party would have meant that I would have to abandon the work of my life. Therefore, I decided to join. My membership in the party did not involve any political activity.[29] https://archive.org/details/vonbraundreamero00neuf ... Von Braun, like other Peenemünders, was assigned to the local group in Karlshagen; there is no evidence that he did more than send in his monthly dues. Yeah... and didn't they all say that! Tweren't my choice, I was forced to join at gunpoint. Garbage, of course, but one that the Americans promoted to sanction letting him into the US, despite the US law against any former member of the Nazi Party or Nazi government of Germany from entering the country. In fact, established Nazi members were deeply suspicious of any latecomers to the party and did not force anyone to join against their will... they didn't need to... By 1935, Germans were queueing up in their tens of thousands to join. Something I recently heard about... many very old German and Austrian men have/had a similar elongated scar on their left arm... something very few spoke of. How did they come about? In the very last days of WW2, the last desperate Waffen SS units were forcibly recruiting boys as young as 12 and 13 into what was left of their units. There was a requirement to have the SS soldiers' blood type tattooed on their left armpit. However, in the heat of the moment, the boys were often crudely tattooed with 'SS' where their blood type was unknown and on the outside of the arm because the boys objected to taking their shirts off in front of men. Immediately after the war, they had them burnt off, most likely at the insistence of their fathers or other family members.

Bollocks.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 2:29pm:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:25pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:19pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:16pm: Quote: Palestinians and Arabs Two different ethnic groups. Palestinians are ethnically Arab - a specific, indigenous Palestinian-Arab group, not a subset that migrated from the Arabian Peninsula. So did Jabotinsky wrote Arabs Palestinians or "Palestinians and Arabs" like you did? He referred to them as Palestinians and Arabs. His reference to Palestinians was as a nationality, not an ethnicity, as did all Jews of his time. His reference to Arabs referred to non-Palestinian Arabs sympathetic to the Palestinian-Arab cause.

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Nationality is the legal relationship between a person and a sovereign state, establishing their membership in a particular nation

There never was a sovereign state o Palestine so Arabs they are and Arabia is for Arabs.

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 3:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:38pm: Frank wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:25pm: Ho hum. In 1939, I was officially demanded to join the National Socialist Party. At this time I was already Technical Director at the Army Rocket Center at Peenemünde (Baltic Sea). The technical work carried out there had, in the meantime, attracted more and more attention in higher levels. Thus, my refusal to join the party would have meant that I would have to abandon the work of my life. Therefore, I decided to join. My membership in the party did not involve any political activity.[29] https://archive.org/details/vonbraundreamero00neuf ... Von Braun, like other Peenemünders, was assigned to the local group in Karlshagen; there is no evidence that he did more than send in his monthly dues. Yeah... and didn't they all say that! Tweren't my choice, I was forced to join at gunpoint. Garbage, of course, but one that the Americans promoted to sanction letting him into the US, despite the US law against any former member of the Nazi Party or Nazi government of Germany from entering the country. In fact, established Nazi members were deeply suspicious of any latecomers to the party and did not force anyone to join against their will... they didn't need to... By 1935, Germans were queueing up in their tens of thousands to join. Something I recently heard about... many very old German and Austrian men have/had a similar elongated scar on their left arm... something very few spoke of. How did they come about? In the very last days of WW2, the last desperate Waffen SS units were forcibly recruiting boys as young as 12 and 13 into what was left of their units. There was a requirement to have the SS soldiers' blood type tattooed on their left armpit. However, in the heat of the moment, the boys were often crudely tattooed with 'SS' where their blood type was unknown and on the outside of the arm because the boys objected to taking their shirts off in front of men. Immediately after the war, they had them burnt off, most likely at the insistence of their fathers or other family members. Bollocks.

I spoke to two of them over the last few years. Same story.

It was corroborated by US documents in Linz, Austria, one of the last holdouts of the Waffen SS at Mauthausen.

The US Army was ordered to arrest any SS soldiers identifiable by their tattoo, not as POWs but as war criminals... they encountered boys in the area all with a similar burn wound on their left arm.

Given the age of the kids, the US army decided not to arrest or charge them and allowed whatever reason the boys gave to the arresting soldiers about their wounds to stand.

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 3:00pm:

Quote: Nationality is the legal relationship between a person and a sovereign state, establishing their membership in a particular nation There never was a sovereign state o Palestine so Arabs they are and Arabia is for Arabs.

You need a better grasp of English.

Nationality can mean a citizen of a sovereign state. It can also mean identity by tribe or ethnicity... Hence, First Nations, Indigenous American nations, it can often refer to tribal claims of at least autonomy within a sovereign state.

Before 1948, even Jews recognised Palestine and Palestinian as a nation and people. Most referred to themselves as Palestinian Jews.

The British and the UN referred to it as Mandatory Palestine.

Von Braun is beside the point, what matters is Jew haters are terrorist vermin and their extermination is not a war crime.

On another hand


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The Australian Government officially lists Hamas in its entirety as a terrorist organization, designating it as a violent extremist group with goals including the destruction of Israel. This listing makes providing support, training, or funding to Hamas a criminal offense. Australia has imposed targeted sanctions on individuals and entities linked to Hamas in response to attacks

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 3:14pm:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:00pm: Quote: Nationality is the legal relationship between a person and a sovereign state, establishing their membership in a particular nation There never was a sovereign state o Palestine so Arabs they are and Arabia is for Arabs. You need a better grasp of English. Nationality can mean a citizen of a sovereign state. It can also mean identity by tribe or ethnicity... Hence, First Nations, Indigenous American nations, it can often refer to tribal claims of at least autonomy within a sovereign state. Before 1948, even Jews recognised Palestine and Palestinian as a nation and people. Most referred to themselves as Palestinian Jews. The British and the UN referred to it as Mandatory Palestine.

That proves that Arabia is for Arabs and Israel, Judea and Samaria for Jews!!!

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 3:18pm:

Von Braun is beside the point, what matters is Jew haters are terrorist vermin and their extermination is not a war crime.

Better watch out! Murderous Jew hate in Europe is ingrained in the cultures there, especially in the east. It has been largely dormant for 80 years, but I'd bet no Jew or Israeli believes it has been eradicated.

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 3:21pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:14pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:00pm: Quote: Nationality is the legal relationship between a person and a sovereign state, establishing their membership in a particular nation There never was a sovereign state o Palestine so Arabs they are and Arabia is for Arabs. You need a better grasp of English. Nationality can mean a citizen of a sovereign state. It can also mean identity by tribe or ethnicity... Hence, First Nations, Indigenous American nations, it can often refer to tribal claims of at least autonomy within a sovereign state. Before 1948, even Jews recognised Palestine and Palestinian as a nation and people. Most referred to themselves as Palestinian Jews. The British and the UN referred to it as Mandatory Palestine. That proves that Arabia is for Arabs and Israel, Judea and Samaria for Jews!!!

Palestine was also once for Arabs, even by Jews who also once claimed to be Palestinian.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 3:24pm:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:18pm: Von Braun is beside the point, what matters is Jew haters are terrorist vermin and their extermination is not a war crime. Better watch out! Murderous Jew hate in Europe is ingrained in the cultures there, especially in the east. It has been largely dormant for 80 years, but I'd bet no Jew or Israeli believes it has been eradicated.

Better you watch out with yo HAMAS propaganda crap or you will be charged with helping illegal terrorist organization and end up like Jew haters in above examples.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 3:25pm:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:14pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:00pm: Quote: Nationality is the legal relationship between a person and a sovereign state, establishing their membership in a particular nation There never was a sovereign state o Palestine so Arabs they are and Arabia is for Arabs. You need a better grasp of English. Nationality can mean a citizen of a sovereign state. It can also mean identity by tribe or ethnicity... Hence, First Nations, Indigenous American nations, it can often refer to tribal claims of at least autonomy within a sovereign state. Before 1948, even Jews recognised Palestine and Palestinian as a nation and people. Most referred to themselves as Palestinian Jews. The British and the UN referred to it as Mandatory Palestine. That proves that Arabia is for Arabs and Israel, Judea and Samaria for Jews!!! Palestine was also once for Arabs, even by Jews who also once claimed to be Palestinian.

The Arabs blew their chance in 1948 and now historical names of  Israel, Judea and Samaria are restored.

Am Yisrael Chai" (עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67l8E_ZT4S8

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 3:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:24pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:18pm: Von Braun is beside the point, what matters is Jew haters are terrorist vermin and their extermination is not a war crime. Better watch out! Murderous Jew hate in Europe is ingrained in the cultures there, especially in the east. It has been largely dormant for 80 years, but I'd bet no Jew or Israeli believes it has been eradicated. Better you watch out with yo HAMAS propaganda crap or you will be charged with helping illegal terrorist organization and end up like Jew haters in above examples.

No fear of that. Australian authorities have a good grasp of English and English comprehension. They can read what I have written and can comprehend it.

None of it promotes terrorism or supports terrorist groups... It's just a direct reading of history that no Jew even denies.

Why you get your Asian tits in a tangle and misread English is a result of your authoritarian culture of which you are part, where the leader's word is immutable law.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 3:45pm:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:29pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:24pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:18pm: Von Braun is beside the point, what matters is Jew haters are terrorist vermin and their extermination is not a war crime. Better watch out! Murderous Jew hate in Europe is ingrained in the cultures there, especially in the east. It has been largely dormant for 80 years, but I'd bet no Jew or Israeli believes it has been eradicated. Better you watch out with yo HAMAS propaganda crap or you will be charged with helping illegal terrorist organization and end up like Jew haters in above examples. No fear of that. Australian authorities have a good grasp of English and English comprehension. They can read what I have written and can comprehend it. None of it promotes terrorism or supports terrorist groups... It's just a direct reading of history that no Jew even denies. Why you get your Asian tits in a tangle and misread English is a result of your authoritarian culture of which you are part, where the leader's word is immutable law.

Why you terrorists are so stupid and don't won't listen to friendly advice?

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 3:49pm:

Why you terrorists are so stupid and don't won't listen to friendly advice?

Friendly advice, eh!

Jews would be more worried about what you might do in their name than me.

Learn to read and comprehend English... a whole English-speaking world of free people will open up to you!

And read Jabotinsky... honoured as a national hero in Israel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZccOjKHn60

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 3:53pm:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:49pm: Why you terrorists are so stupid and don't won't listen to friendly advice? Friendly advice, eh! Jews would be more worried about what you might do in their name than me. Learn to read and comprehend English... a whole English-speaking world of free people will open up to you! And read Jabotinsky... honoured as a national hero in Israel.

Yes but you are too stupid to understand  ;D

Here is an Israeli song for you to enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3E0EtsyNyE

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2026 at 9:11pm:

Quote: FD's logic: Anyone who shines the light on Israel's war crimes is an 'idiot'. He is an idiot because he says incredibly stupid things.

Not stupid at all, or he wouldn't have won so many cases.


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He is assuming war crimes and going off on a truly idiotic tangent about charging people with war crimes merely for being in the same army, or "alongside" it.

His point, and it's a perfectly valid one, is there's a strong possibility most if not all those 600 Oz dual nationals participated, directly or indirectly, in that genocide and as such investigation is warranted, as Oz is a signatory to the Genocide Convention.

And that it would be simple to carry out. Border security at the airport on return to Oz could check their phones. Given that many of these bloodthirsty maniacs like to boast about how many babies they've blown to bits by posting pics online - despite being ordered as early as Jan/Feb 2024 not to, they still did it - it would not be a complex task.

But, as he stresses, the Israel lobby would step in and nothing would happen.

Frank wrote on May 8^th, 2026 at 9:46pm:

waggawoody wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 8:42pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 8:23pm: Why ARE there jihadi Muslims in Ausralia? Why any Muslims? They should be all deported and barred from any future entry. No cohntry needs Muslims. There are dozens of Muslim countries. There is no needs for any of them to come to infidelistan. Why are you so forgetful? https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1768901019 Expropriating the expropriators. Impeccably Marxist, pwogwessive. Or is Islam the motivation for the intifada without end?  Both, as oportunism demands. The Palestinians are not a people like the Greeks or the Japanese. They are the flotsam of 2000 years of stagnation. For 80 years they have not demonstrated ANY ability or willingness to create a 'palestinian' society. All, they are is Jewhating terrorists. Thats the beginning and end of their identity. Nor the basis for a country.

What a pathetic dodge.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 3:04pm:

Frank wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:00pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:38pm: Frank wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:25pm: Ho hum. In 1939, I was officially demanded to join the National Socialist Party. At this time I was already Technical Director at the Army Rocket Center at Peenemünde (Baltic Sea). The technical work carried out there had, in the meantime, attracted more and more attention in higher levels. Thus, my refusal to join the party would have meant that I would have to abandon the work of my life. Therefore, I decided to join. My membership in the party did not involve any political activity.[29] https://archive.org/details/vonbraundreamero00neuf ... Von Braun, like other Peenemünders, was assigned to the local group in Karlshagen; there is no evidence that he did more than send in his monthly dues. Yeah... and didn't they all say that! Tweren't my choice, I was forced to join at gunpoint. Garbage, of course, but one that the Americans promoted to sanction letting him into the US, despite the US law against any former member of the Nazi Party or Nazi government of Germany from entering the country. In fact, established Nazi members were deeply suspicious of any latecomers to the party and did not force anyone to join against their will... they didn't need to... By 1935, Germans were queueing up in their tens of thousands to join. Something I recently heard about... many very old German and Austrian men have/had a similar elongated scar on their left arm... something very few spoke of. How did they come about? In the very last days of WW2, the last desperate Waffen SS units were forcibly recruiting boys as young as 12 and 13 into what was left of their units. There was a requirement to have the SS soldiers' blood type tattooed on their left armpit. However, in the heat of the moment, the boys were often crudely tattooed with 'SS' where their blood type was unknown and on the outside of the arm because the boys objected to taking their shirts off in front of men. Immediately after the war, they had them burnt off, most likely at the insistence of their fathers or other family members. Bollocks. I spoke to two of them over the last few years. Same story. It was corroborated by US documents in Linz, Austria, one of the last holdouts of the Waffen SS at Mauthausen. The US Army was ordered to arrest any SS soldiers identifiable by their tattoo, not as POWs but as war criminals... they encountered boys in the area all with a similar burn wound on their left arm. Given the age of the kids, the US army decided not to arrest or charge them and allowed whatever reason the boys gave to the arresting soldiers about their wounds to stand.

Bollocks.

waggawoody wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 7:38pm:

Frank wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 9:46pm: waggawoody wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 8:42pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 8:23pm: Why ARE there jihadi Muslims in Ausralia? Why any Muslims? They should be all deported and barred from any future entry. No cohntry needs Muslims. There are dozens of Muslim countries. There is no needs for any of them to come to infidelistan. Why are you so forgetful? https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1768901019 Expropriating the expropriators. Impeccably Marxist, pwogwessive. Or is Islam the motivation for the intifada without end?  Both, as oportunism demands. The Palestinians are not a people like the Greeks or the Japanese. They are the flotsam of 2000 years of stagnation. For 80 years they have not demonstrated ANY ability or willingness to create a 'palestinian' society. All, they are is Jewhating terrorists. Thats the beginning and end of their identity. Nor the basis for a country. What a pathetic dodge.

The point.
The Palestinians are not a people. They are puppets in the Muslim war of resentment against the Jews. They have no palestinian identity apart from jew hate. Cananites subjugated by Arabs. Ottoman flotsams.

There was NO 'Palestinian identity' before Israel. It's all just a reaction. A post hoc invention.


Another thing: like all other Muslims, they are lazy and slovenly. They could greatly benefit from jewish influence. But being Muslims, they are sticking to being 7th century bozos in the 21st century.

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 8:17pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:04pm: Frank wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:00pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:38pm: Frank wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:25pm: Ho hum. In 1939, I was officially demanded to join the National Socialist Party. At this time I was already Technical Director at the Army Rocket Center at Peenemünde (Baltic Sea). The technical work carried out there had, in the meantime, attracted more and more attention in higher levels. Thus, my refusal to join the party would have meant that I would have to abandon the work of my life. Therefore, I decided to join. My membership in the party did not involve any political activity.[29] https://archive.org/details/vonbraundreamero00neuf ... Von Braun, like other Peenemünders, was assigned to the local group in Karlshagen; there is no evidence that he did more than send in his monthly dues. Yeah... and didn't they all say that! Tweren't my choice, I was forced to join at gunpoint. Garbage, of course, but one that the Americans promoted to sanction letting him into the US, despite the US law against any former member of the Nazi Party or Nazi government of Germany from entering the country. In fact, established Nazi members were deeply suspicious of any latecomers to the party and did not force anyone to join against their will... they didn't need to... By 1935, Germans were queueing up in their tens of thousands to join. Something I recently heard about... many very old German and Austrian men have/had a similar elongated scar on their left arm... something very few spoke of. How did they come about? In the very last days of WW2, the last desperate Waffen SS units were forcibly recruiting boys as young as 12 and 13 into what was left of their units. There was a requirement to have the SS soldiers' blood type tattooed on their left armpit. However, in the heat of the moment, the boys were often crudely tattooed with 'SS' where their blood type was unknown and on the outside of the arm because the boys objected to taking their shirts off in front of men. Immediately after the war, they had them burnt off, most likely at the insistence of their fathers or other family members. Bollocks. I spoke to two of them over the last few years. Same story. It was corroborated by US documents in Linz, Austria, one of the last holdouts of the Waffen SS at Mauthausen. The US Army was ordered to arrest any SS soldiers identifiable by their tattoo, not as POWs but as war criminals... they encountered boys in the area all with a similar burn wound on their left arm. Given the age of the kids, the US army decided not to arrest or charge them and allowed whatever reason the boys gave to the arresting soldiers about their wounds to stand. Bollocks.

Cos... The Nazis would never stoop so low as to forcibly recruit children into their war effort??

The Waffen SS, the most hardened killers of the Nazi war machine, wouldn't do it, eh!!

According to the US Army, the last dregs of the SS would commandeer schools as their makeshift HQs because the Allies were much less likely to bomb them.

As all the 14-year-olds and older had been recruited into the Wehrmacht, all that were left were 12- to 13-year-olds, whom they recruited as lookouts and runners for the SS soldiers.

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 8:28pm:

The Palestinians are not a people. They are puppets in the Muslim war of resentment against the Jews. They have no palestinian identity apart from jew hate. Cananites subjugated by Arabs. Ottoman flotsams. There was NO 'Palestinian identity' before Israel. It's all just a reaction. A post hoc invention. Another thing: like all other Muslims, they are lazy and slovenly. They could greatly benefit from jewish influence. But being Muslims, they are sticking to being 7th century bozos in the 21st century.

Ah, no... It's Europeans who practised depraved Jew hate. It's why so many Jews migrated to Palestine in the first place.

It's Europeans who saw this mass migration as an answer to what to do with surviving Holocaust Jews.

The British resisted this mass migration only because they were trying to stay in bed with the oil-producing Arab states.

HitlerJugend Division - Hitler's young murderers... got their comeuppance in Normandy

Looks like Hitler read Quran before writing Mein Kampf.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 9:19pm:

Frank wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 8:17pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:04pm: Frank wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 3:00pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:38pm: Frank wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 2:25pm: Ho hum. In 1939, I was officially demanded to join the National Socialist Party. At this time I was already Technical Director at the Army Rocket Center at Peenemünde (Baltic Sea). The technical work carried out there had, in the meantime, attracted more and more attention in higher levels. Thus, my refusal to join the party would have meant that I would have to abandon the work of my life. Therefore, I decided to join. My membership in the party did not involve any political activity.[29] https://archive.org/details/vonbraundreamero00neuf ... Von Braun, like other Peenemünders, was assigned to the local group in Karlshagen; there is no evidence that he did more than send in his monthly dues. Yeah... and didn't they all say that! Tweren't my choice, I was forced to join at gunpoint. Garbage, of course, but one that the Americans promoted to sanction letting him into the US, despite the US law against any former member of the Nazi Party or Nazi government of Germany from entering the country. In fact, established Nazi members were deeply suspicious of any latecomers to the party and did not force anyone to join against their will... they didn't need to... By 1935, Germans were queueing up in their tens of thousands to join. Something I recently heard about... many very old German and Austrian men have/had a similar elongated scar on their left arm... something very few spoke of. How did they come about? In the very last days of WW2, the last desperate Waffen SS units were forcibly recruiting boys as young as 12 and 13 into what was left of their units. There was a requirement to have the SS soldiers' blood type tattooed on their left armpit. However, in the heat of the moment, the boys were often crudely tattooed with 'SS' where their blood type was unknown and on the outside of the arm because the boys objected to taking their shirts off in front of men. Immediately after the war, they had them burnt off, most likely at the insistence of their fathers or other family members. Bollocks. I spoke to two of them over the last few years. Same story. It was corroborated by US documents in Linz, Austria, one of the last holdouts of the Waffen SS at Mauthausen. The US Army was ordered to arrest any SS soldiers identifiable by their tattoo, not as POWs but as war criminals... they encountered boys in the area all with a similar burn wound on their left arm. Given the age of the kids, the US army decided not to arrest or charge them and allowed whatever reason the boys gave to the arresting soldiers about their wounds to stand. Bollocks. Cos... The Nazis would never stoop so low as to forcibly recruit children into their war effort?? The Waffen SS, the most hardened killers of the Nazi war machine, wouldn't do it, eh!! According to the US Army, the last dregs of the SS would commandeer schools as their makeshift HQs because the Allies were much less likely to bomb them. As all the 14-year-olds and older had been recruited into the Wehrmacht, all that were left were 12- to 13-year-olds, whom they recruited as lookouts and runners for the SS soldiers.

Yes, children were pressed into service. But it is ludicrous to suggest that while theg could not refuse service theg could refuse to take off their shirts.

Frank wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 12:21pm:

Yes, children were pressed into service. But it is ludicrous to suggest that while theg could not refuse service theg could refuse to take off their shirts.

Yep, well, that's what the codgers told me... and it was mentioned in the US Army's Linz reports.

Those kids may have been terrified of these SS soldiers, but not so terrified that they wouldn't resist being ordered to 'strip naked' in front of them. Those kids had fathers and male relatives who I'd bet might have had an 'opinion' on soldiers ordering kids to take their clothes off.

The US Army ordered its soldiers to arrest all SS soldiers as war criminals, but more often than not, they shot them on sight. SS soldiers had a reputation for 'surrendering' then pulling out a hidden pistol and taking out a couple of US soldiers before being blown away themselves.

Also, any soldier who'd witnessed a death camp probably had no problem killing SS soldiers on sight.

tallowood wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 10:34am:

Looks like Hitler read Quran before writing Mein Kampf.

https://images.bonnier.cloud/files/his/production/2017/03/08111443/hitlerjugend-adolf-hitler-medailles.jpeg

https://cdnph.upi.com/pv/upi/3129e21ed3a05d047e0a3db946edbec8/GAZ2004012701-PALESTINIAN-WOMAN-SUICIDE.jpg

Jew haters are horrible idiots.

One thing that was shocking about these old Germans and (particularly) Austrians was that, even after 70 to 80 years of disclosure about their WW2 soldiers' depravity towards Jews, once they were comfortable speaking, they expressed a perverted pride and pleasure in how depraved they could be... Like 2000 years of European Jew-hate had crystallised into its 'perfect' expression.

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MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 12:57pm:

One thing that was shocking about these old Germans and (particularly) Austrians was that, even after 70 to 80 years of disclosure about their WW2 soldiers' depravity towards Jews, once they were comfortable speaking, they expressed a perverted pride and pleasure in how depraved they could be... Like 2000 years of European Jew-hate had crystallised into its 'perfect' expression.

You are much better at turd polishing than they are.

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 1:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 12:57pm: One thing that was shocking about these old Germans and (particularly) Austrians was that, even after 70 to 80 years of disclosure about their WW2 soldiers' depravity towards Jews, once they were comfortable speaking, they expressed a perverted pride and pleasure in how depraved they could be... Like 2000 years of European Jew-hate had crystallised into its 'perfect' expression. You are much better at turd polishing than they are.

Did you ever meet any?

Mass migration of Jews to Palestine was driven by more than just a 'sense of adventure' by otherwise once urbanised, integrated Europeans... It was driven by a deep existential terror of what might happen next. Stalin was no Jew lover and, particularly, Germans, Austrians, Hungarians, Poles and Ukrainians had more than made their 'feelings' known about what they thought of Jews.

The only people who got a pass in Europe regarding Jews were the Danes.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 1:07pm:

freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 1:00pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 12:57pm: One thing that was shocking about these old Germans and (particularly) Austrians was that, even after 70 to 80 years of disclosure about their WW2 soldiers' depravity towards Jews, once they were comfortable speaking, they expressed a perverted pride and pleasure in how depraved they could be... Like 2000 years of European Jew-hate had crystallised into its 'perfect' expression. You are much better at turd polishing than they are. Did you ever meet any? Mass migration of Jews to Palestine was driven by more than just a 'sense of adventure' by otherwise once urbanised, integrated Europeans... It was driven by a deep existential terror of what might happen next. Stalin was no Jew lover and, particularly, Germans, Austrians and Hungarians had more than made their 'feelings' known about what they thought of Jews. The only people who got a pass in Europe regarding Jews were the Danes.

They migrated to Israel -  not Palestine - no such country as Palestine.

Gnads wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 1:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 1:07pm: freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 1:00pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 12:57pm: One thing that was shocking about these old Germans and (particularly) Austrians was that, even after 70 to 80 years of disclosure about their WW2 soldiers' depravity towards Jews, once they were comfortable speaking, they expressed a perverted pride and pleasure in how depraved they could be... Like 2000 years of European Jew-hate had crystallised into its 'perfect' expression. You are much better at turd polishing than they are. Did you ever meet any? Mass migration of Jews to Palestine was driven by more than just a 'sense of adventure' by otherwise once urbanised, integrated Europeans... It was driven by a deep existential terror of what might happen next. Stalin was no Jew lover and, particularly, Germans, Austrians and Hungarians had more than made their 'feelings' known about what they thought of Jews. The only people who got a pass in Europe regarding Jews were the Danes. They migrated to Israel -  not Palestine - no such country as Palestine.

No such country as Israel until 1948.

All Jews referred to the region before that as Palestine, as did the UN, the Arabs and the West.

Mass 'illegal' migration of Jews into Palestine was at its zenith between 1945 and 1948.

What shocked German soldiers the further east they went was that, although they were an invading army, they were hailed as liberators from Stalin and Jews.

The zeal with which many Eastern Europeans expressed their willingness to assist with a solution to the Jewish problem stunned the Germans... they were generally not aware of the depth of Jew-hate in the East.

Russian officer: You have been liberated by the Soviet army!

Itzhak Stern: Have you been in Poland?

Russian officer: I just came from Poland.

Itzhak Stern: Are there any Jews left?

Russian officer stares in disbelief

Michael Lemper: Where should we go?

Russian officer: Don't go east, that's for sure. They hate you there. I wouldn't go west either, if I were you.

Brinlitz Slave Labour Camp liberation - Schindler's List.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 1:07pm:

freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 1:00pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 12:57pm: One thing that was shocking about these old Germans and (particularly) Austrians was that, even after 70 to 80 years of disclosure about their WW2 soldiers' depravity towards Jews, once they were comfortable speaking, they expressed a perverted pride and pleasure in how depraved they could be... Like 2000 years of European Jew-hate had crystallised into its 'perfect' expression. You are much better at turd polishing than they are. Did you ever meet any? Mass migration of Jews to Palestine was driven by more than just a 'sense of adventure' by otherwise once urbanised, integrated Europeans... It was driven by a deep existential terror of what might happen next. Stalin was no Jew lover and, particularly, Germans, Austrians, Hungarians, Poles and Ukrainians had more than made their 'feelings' known about what they thought of Jews. The only people who got a pass in Europe regarding Jews were the Danes.

Sense of adventure? LOL

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 1:14pm:

Gnads wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 1:11pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 1:07pm: freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 1:00pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 12:57pm: One thing that was shocking about these old Germans and (particularly) Austrians was that, even after 70 to 80 years of disclosure about their WW2 soldiers' depravity towards Jews, once they were comfortable speaking, they expressed a perverted pride and pleasure in how depraved they could be... Like 2000 years of European Jew-hate had crystallised into its 'perfect' expression. You are much better at turd polishing than they are. Did you ever meet any? Mass migration of Jews to Palestine was driven by more than just a 'sense of adventure' by otherwise once urbanised, integrated Europeans... It was driven by a deep existential terror of what might happen next. Stalin was no Jew lover and, particularly, Germans, Austrians and Hungarians had more than made their 'feelings' known about what they thought of Jews. The only people who got a pass in Europe regarding Jews were the Danes. They migrated to Israel -  not Palestine - no such country as Palestine. No such country as Israel until 1948. All Jews referred to the region before that as Palestine, as did the UN, the Arabs and the West. Mass 'illegal' migration of Jews into Palestine was at its zenith between 1945 and 1948.

That is typical bs from stupid terrorists supporters.

Here is map from before there was the UN, the Arabs and the West.

https://israelmap360.com/img/1200/ancient-israel-map.jpg

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 1:07pm: freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 1:00pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 12:57pm: One thing that was shocking about these old Germans and (particularly) Austrians was that, even after 70 to 80 years of disclosure about their WW2 soldiers' depravity towards Jews, once they were comfortable speaking, they expressed a perverted pride and pleasure in how depraved they could be... Like 2000 years of European Jew-hate had crystallised into its 'perfect' expression. You are much better at turd polishing than they are. Did you ever meet any? Mass migration of Jews to Palestine was driven by more than just a 'sense of adventure' by otherwise once urbanised, integrated Europeans... It was driven by a deep existential terror of what might happen next. Stalin was no Jew lover and, particularly, Germans, Austrians, Hungarians, Poles and Ukrainians had more than made their 'feelings' known about what they thought of Jews. The only people who got a pass in Europe regarding Jews were the Danes. Sense of adventure? LOL

Yes... Irony... hence the quotes.

tallowood wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 2:26pm:

That is typical bs from stupid terrorists supporters. Here is map from before there was the UN, the Arabs and the West. [img]https://israelmap360.com/img/1200/ancient-israel-map.jpg[]

Around the time of David and Saul, eh!

How about around the time before Moses.

Some old Nazis openly admit they hate Jews. You'd think it would be hard to have less respect for a person, until you come across one of those limp wristed old Nazis who cannot even say the word Jew, but merely dribbles on with endless conspiracies about people from 2 centuries ago who just happened to be Jews, and creative excuses for why every good thing achieved by Israel must be credited to the diligent efforts of non-Jews to undermine those evil conspiracies.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 1:20pm:

What shocked German soldiers the further east they went was that, although they were an invading army, they were hailed as liberators from Stalin and Jews. The zeal with which many Eastern Europeans expressed their willingness to assist with a solution to the Jewish problem stunned the Germans... they were generally not aware of the depth of Jew-hate in the East.

MeisterEckhart thinks this is welcoming ceremony  ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqNKF3VfTsI

Throughout World War 2, there were many German soldiers who inside of the Soviet Union were executed in public. On huge gallows in front of thousands of people, German soldiers were condemned.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 2:40pm:

tallowood wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 2:26pm: That is typical bs from stupid terrorists supporters. Here is map from before there was the UN, the Arabs and the West. [img]https://israelmap360.com/img/1200/ancient-israel-map.jpg[] Around the time of David and Saul, eh! How about around the time before Moses.

Yes and no Arabs who were in Arabia back then before they illegally invaded.

tallowood wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 2:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 2:40pm: tallowood wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 2:26pm: That is typical bs from stupid terrorists supporters. Here is map from before there was the UN, the Arabs and the West. [img]https://israelmap360.com/img/1200/ancient-israel-map.jpg[] Around the time of David and Saul, eh! How about around the time before Moses. Yes and no Arabs who were in Arabia back then before they illegally invaded.

Haven't read the Tanakh, then!

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 2:45pm:

Some old Nazis openly admit they hate Jews. You'd think it would be hard to have less respect for a person, until you come across one of those limp wristed old Nazis who cannot even say the word Jew, but merely dribbles on with endless conspiracies about people from 2 centuries ago who just happened to be Jews, and creative excuses for why every good thing achieved by Israel must be credited to the diligent efforts of non-Jews to undermine those evil conspiracies.

Nothing limp-wristed about those old bastards... It's not like they were running an Oz politics forum.

To them, Jew-hate wasn't a theological debate, it was about economics... To them, Jews were the 'disease-carrying', 'evil money grubbers' and 'legal thieves', as Shakespeare immortalised with Shylock, who cleaned out the locals before moving on or being chased out... worse than Gypsies according to them.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 3:12pm:

freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 2:45pm: Some old Nazis openly admit they hate Jews. You'd think it would be hard to have less respect for a person, until you come across one of those limp wristed old Nazis who cannot even say the word Jew, but merely dribbles on with endless conspiracies about people from 2 centuries ago who just happened to be Jews, and creative excuses for why every good thing achieved by Israel must be credited to the diligent efforts of non-Jews to undermine those evil conspiracies. Nothing limp-wristed about those old bastards... It's not like they were running an Oz politics forum. To them, Jew-hate wasn't a theological debate, it was about economics... To them, Jews were the 'disease-carrying', 'evil money grubbers' and 'legal thieves', as Shakespeare immortalised with Shylock, who cleaned out the locals before moving on or being chased out... worse than Gypsies according to them.

Interesting apologetics.

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 3:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 3:12pm: freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 2:45pm: Some old Nazis openly admit they hate Jews. You'd think it would be hard to have less respect for a person, until you come across one of those limp wristed old Nazis who cannot even say the word Jew, but merely dribbles on with endless conspiracies about people from 2 centuries ago who just happened to be Jews, and creative excuses for why every good thing achieved by Israel must be credited to the diligent efforts of non-Jews to undermine those evil conspiracies. Nothing limp-wristed about those old bastards... It's not like they were running an Oz politics forum. To them, Jew-hate wasn't a theological debate, it was about economics... To them, Jews were the 'disease-carrying', 'evil money grubbers' and 'legal thieves', as Shakespeare immortalised with Shylock, who cleaned out the locals before moving on or being chased out... worse than Gypsies according to them. Interesting apologetics.

You're mistaking characterisation of a branch of European Jew-hate for apologetics.

That the 'great bard' himself could freely characterise 'the Jew' as a vile, money-grubber, knowing it would attract an appreciative audience, is a testament to how fundamental Jew-hate is to the fabric of European culture. It's something Europeans have been united on for thousands of years.

The evidence above is proof that  Ishmaelites (Arabs) were nomadic tribes in the desert of Arabia meaning Arabs for Arabia

while Jews are for Israel, Judea and Samaria.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1182/2512/files/Judea_and_Samaria_1024x1024.jpg

because Jewish state was there before Arab invasion
https://israelmap360.com/img/1200/ancient-israel-map.jpg

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 3:30pm:

freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 3:24pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 3:12pm: freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 2:45pm: Some old Nazis openly admit they hate Jews. You'd think it would be hard to have less respect for a person, until you come across one of those limp wristed old Nazis who cannot even say the word Jew, but merely dribbles on with endless conspiracies about people from 2 centuries ago who just happened to be Jews, and creative excuses for why every good thing achieved by Israel must be credited to the diligent efforts of non-Jews to undermine those evil conspiracies. Nothing limp-wristed about those old bastards... It's not like they were running an Oz politics forum. To them, Jew-hate wasn't a theological debate, it was about economics... To them, Jews were the 'disease-carrying', 'evil money grubbers' and 'legal thieves', as Shakespeare immortalised with Shylock, who cleaned out the locals before moving on or being chased out... worse than Gypsies according to them. Interesting apologetics. You're mistaking characterisation of a branch of European Jew-hate for apologetics. That the 'great bard' himself could freely characterise 'the Jew' as a vile, money-grubber, knowing it would attract an appreciative audience, is a testament to how fundamental Jew-hate is to the fabric of European culture. It's something Europeans have been united on for thousands of years.

You must feel popular.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 3:30pm:

You're mistaking characterisation of a branch of European Jew-hate for apologetics. That the 'great bard' himself could freely characterise 'the Jew' as a vile, money-grubber, knowing it would attract an appreciative audience, is a testament to how fundamental Jew-hate is to the fabric of European culture. It's something Europeans have been united on for thousands of years.

Well......that is an arrogant and erroneous opinion.



AS PER........
Shakespeare's Shylock was a student of human nature.

And he [Shylock] was portrayed, as a student of the mores of his time,
and of the community he lived among.

Not so ?

mores = = the customs and conventions of a community.



Quote:

[i.e. Shakespeares Shylock said.......] The villainy      you teach me     I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. “The Merchant of Venice”: “The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction.” In William Shakespeare’s “The Merchant of Venice,” the character Shylock, a Jewish moneylender, delivers the piercing line, “The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction.” This quote encapsulates not only Shylock’s profound sense of injustice and the desire for revenge against those who have wronged him but also raises questions about morality, identity, and the cycle of hatred. Set against the backdrop of a society rife with anti-Semitism, this line invites a multifaceted exploration of human nature, revenge, and the legacy of villainy. Context and Meaning Shylock speaks this line in Act 3, Scene 1, after a powerful monologue in which he expresses his suffering at the hands of a Christian society that has marginalized and ridiculed him. Shylock’s plea for equality—”Hath not a Jew eyes?”—serves to highlight the shared humanity between Jews and Christians, challenging the prejudices of his time. His declaration about executing villainy signifies a turning point; he recognizes that he has been taught to respond with vengeance to the insults he has endured. The line effectively communicates his transformation from a victim of disdain to an agent of retribution, suggesting that he will not only retaliate but will do so with greater intensity and skill than those who have wronged him.

https://askshakespeare.ai/the-villainy-you-teach-me-i-will-execute-and-it-shall-go-hard-but-i-will-better-the-instruction/



QUESTION;
Why do Jewish people in particular.....suffer such persecution, in the world ?

POSIT....
The Jewish people, [many of them] themselves identify as a biblical covenant people.....



Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it,
that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.


Yadda said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1775127768/20#20

Quote:

God declares that whenever 'the children of Israel' sin against His [Gods] statutes and precepts [individually, or, as a nation], He, will [He must] punish them for that transgression....[because they are, and remain, a covenant people]. Amos 3:1 Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, 2  You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities. 3  Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

A CHALLENGE......
All Jewish people, in the world today,
can easily,
easily,
attract blessing and protection from their God.
....the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

.....simply [if you already choose to identify], as a Jewish person.....
love YOUR God, and try to keep 'the' commandments of YOUR God.

Try it.   !!!



Psalms 11:5
The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
6  Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest:
this shall be the portion of their cup.
7  For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness;
his countenance doth behold the upright.


Psalms 40:8
I delight to do thy will, O my God:
yea, thy law is within my heart.
9  I have preached righteousness in the great congregation:
lo, I have not refrained my lips, O LORD, thou knowest.
10  I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart;
I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation:
I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation.


Psalms 146:8
The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind:
the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down:
the LORD loveth the righteous:
9  The LORD preserveth the strangers;
he relieveth the fatherless and widow:
but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.



These words are from YOUR scripture.

Turn.......again.

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 3:48pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 3:30pm: freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 3:24pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 3:12pm: freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 2:45pm: Some old Nazis openly admit they hate Jews. You'd think it would be hard to have less respect for a person, until you come across one of those limp wristed old Nazis who cannot even say the word Jew, but merely dribbles on with endless conspiracies about people from 2 centuries ago who just happened to be Jews, and creative excuses for why every good thing achieved by Israel must be credited to the diligent efforts of non-Jews to undermine those evil conspiracies. Nothing limp-wristed about those old bastards... It's not like they were running an Oz politics forum. To them, Jew-hate wasn't a theological debate, it was about economics... To them, Jews were the 'disease-carrying', 'evil money grubbers' and 'legal thieves', as Shakespeare immortalised with Shylock, who cleaned out the locals before moving on or being chased out... worse than Gypsies according to them. Interesting apologetics. You're mistaking characterisation of a branch of European Jew-hate for apologetics. That the 'great bard' himself could freely characterise 'the Jew' as a vile, money-grubber, knowing it would attract an appreciative audience, is a testament to how fundamental Jew-hate is to the fabric of European culture. It's something Europeans have been united on for thousands of years. You must feel popular.

Awww...

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 4:19pm:

freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 3:48pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 3:30pm: freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 3:24pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 3:12pm: freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 2:45pm: Some old Nazis openly admit they hate Jews. You'd think it would be hard to have less respect for a person, until you come across one of those limp wristed old Nazis who cannot even say the word Jew, but merely dribbles on with endless conspiracies about people from 2 centuries ago who just happened to be Jews, and creative excuses for why every good thing achieved by Israel must be credited to the diligent efforts of non-Jews to undermine those evil conspiracies. Nothing limp-wristed about those old bastards... It's not like they were running an Oz politics forum. To them, Jew-hate wasn't a theological debate, it was about economics... To them, Jews were the 'disease-carrying', 'evil money grubbers' and 'legal thieves', as Shakespeare immortalised with Shylock, who cleaned out the locals before moving on or being chased out... worse than Gypsies according to them. Interesting apologetics. You're mistaking characterisation of a branch of European Jew-hate for apologetics. That the 'great bard' himself could freely characterise 'the Jew' as a vile, money-grubber, knowing it would attract an appreciative audience, is a testament to how fundamental Jew-hate is to the fabric of European culture. It's something Europeans have been united on for thousands of years. You must feel popular. Awww...

So what is your favourite type of Nazi?

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 4:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 4:19pm: freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 3:48pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 3:30pm: freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 3:24pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 3:12pm: freediver wrote on May 10th, 2026 at 2:45pm: Some old Nazis openly admit they hate Jews. You'd think it would be hard to have less respect for a person, until you come across one of those limp wristed old Nazis who cannot even say the word Jew, but merely dribbles on with endless conspiracies about people from 2 centuries ago who just happened to be Jews, and creative excuses for why every good thing achieved by Israel must be credited to the diligent efforts of non-Jews to undermine those evil conspiracies. Nothing limp-wristed about those old bastards... It's not like they were running an Oz politics forum. To them, Jew-hate wasn't a theological debate, it was about economics... To them, Jews were the 'disease-carrying', 'evil money grubbers' and 'legal thieves', as Shakespeare immortalised with Shylock, who cleaned out the locals before moving on or being chased out... worse than Gypsies according to them. Interesting apologetics. You're mistaking characterisation of a branch of European Jew-hate for apologetics. That the 'great bard' himself could freely characterise 'the Jew' as a vile, money-grubber, knowing it would attract an appreciative audience, is a testament to how fundamental Jew-hate is to the fabric of European culture. It's something Europeans have been united on for thousands of years. You must feel popular. Awww... So what is your favourite type of Nazi?

A dead one.

tallowood wrote on May 10^th, 2026 at 3:42pm:

The evidence above is proof that  Ishmaelites (Arabs) were nomadic tribes in the desert of Arabia meaning Arabs for Arabia while Jews are for Israel, Judea and Samaria. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1182/2512/files/Judea_and_Samaria_1024x1024.jpg because Jewish state was there before Arab invasion https://israelmap360.com/img/1200/ancient-israel-map.jpg

Ancient Judea and Samaria straddled the Jordan River... should 'greater Israel' include annexing parts of western Jordan?

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2026 at 8:28pm:

waggawoody wrote on May 9th, 2026 at 7:38pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 9:46pm: waggawoody wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 8:42pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 8:23pm: Why ARE there jihadi Muslims in Ausralia? Why any Muslims? They should be all deported and barred from any future entry. No cohntry needs Muslims. There are dozens of Muslim countries. There is no needs for any of them to come to infidelistan. Why are you so forgetful? https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1768901019 Expropriating the expropriators. Impeccably Marxist, pwogwessive. Or is Islam the motivation for the intifada without end?  Both, as oportunism demands. The Palestinians are not a people like the Greeks or the Japanese. They are the flotsam of 2000 years of stagnation. For 80 years they have not demonstrated ANY ability or willingness to create a 'palestinian' society. All, they are is Jewhating terrorists. Thats the beginning and end of their identity. Nor the basis for a country. What a pathetic dodge. The point. The Palestinians are not a people. They are puppets in the Muslim war of resentment against the Jews. They have no palestinian identity apart from jew hate. Cananites subjugated by Arabs. Ottoman flotsams. There was NO 'Palestinian identity' before Israel. It's all just a reaction. A post hoc invention. Another thing: like all other Muslims, they are lazy and slovenly. They could greatly benefit from jewish influence. But being Muslims, they are sticking to being 7th century bozos in the 21st century.

Another dodge. And there was a Palestinian identity before, as evidenced by the many historical references, like descriptions of Jaffa in the 1800s as the 'economic centre of Palestine'. But that's another topic.

Quit dodging. You asked why Muslims are here and I showed you why, more than once I showed you.

So how about you address that?