hahahah, stupid americans.
Trump the criminal has had his illegal tariffs revoked.
Which means the govt (us tax payers) has to pay companies back billions of dollars.

the consumer paid the tariffs initially.
Now the poor tax payer will have to pay it again to companies

add this to the high gas prices, rising inflation, declining US dollar, massively rising debt.

that is what you get for employing a rapist criminal as a president.

And it's not as if they weren't warned.

Americans only have themselves to blame for all of this...

There was always going to be a gargantuan cost to hyper-consumerism, as every imperial power in history has suffered.

Even the Romans had to impose massive tariffs on Indian goods entering Roman ports - to prevent insatiable Roman demand for Indian goods from bankrupting the empire.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 18^th, 2026 at 10:16am:

Americans only have themselves to blame for all of this... There was always going to be a gargantuan cost to hyper-consumerism, as every imperial power in history has suffered. Even the Romans had to impose massive tariffs on Indian goods entering Roman ports - to prevent insatiable Roman demand for Indian goods from bankrupting the empire.

Yes, Meister.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18^th, 2026 at 10:00am:

And it's not as if they weren't warned.

Trump warned Americans that if they voted for Kamala, she would start a war with Iran.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18^th, 2026 at 10:00am:

And it's not as if they weren't warned.

It's not like Kamala Harris didn't warn everyone well before Trump won the election. Her performances at the Presidential debates have been like looking into a crystal ball.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 18^th, 2026 at 4:13am:

Which means the govt (us tax payers) has to pay companies back billions of dollars. the consumer paid the tariffs initially. Now the poor tax payer will have to pay it again to companies

So the US Government took the money, the US Government will pay the money back; but somehow the customers/taxpayers will foot the bill? ::)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 2:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 10:00am: And it's not as if they weren't warned. It's not like Kamala Harris didn't warn everyone well before Trump won the election. Her performances at the Presidential debates have been like looking into a crystal ball.

yes, she was very accurate

lee wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 2:19pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 4:13am: Which means the govt (us tax payers) has to pay companies back billions of dollars. the consumer paid the tariffs initially. Now the poor tax payer will have to pay it again to companies So the US Government took the money, the US Government will pay the money back; but somehow the customers/taxpayers will foot the bill? ::)

yes.
the govt is funded by taxpayers.

customers paid the tariffs to the govt.
the tariffs were illegal, so the money has or be repaid
the refunds will go to businesses, taxpayers will fund this refunding too

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 5:27pm:

the refunds will go to businesses, taxpayers will fund this refunding too

There are two things there.

1. If the refunds go to business and no further, it increases their profit and tax on that profit.

2. if the customers kept their receipts, they can get a refund.

lee wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 5:38pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 5:27pm: the refunds will go to businesses, taxpayers will fund this refunding too There are two things there. 1. If the refunds go to business and no further, it increases their profit and tax on that profit. 2. if the customers kept their receipts, they can get a refund.

It's just pantomime.

lee wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 2:19pm:

So the US Government took the money, the US Government will pay the money back; but somehow the customers/taxpayers will foot the bill? ::)

Just so.

US Customs and Border Protection is now "streamlining the submission and processing of valid refund requests for duties imposed under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), as authorized by court order or applicable law."

A rather long-winded way of saying your DL lost, US importers won, and CBP's tasked with pulling together the billions of dollars your DL took without Congressional approval, as framed under the foundational US maxim: no taxation without representation.

This will, of course, be impossible without a Congressional bill of appropriations. Every day the CPB dithers will rack up interest. Years will go by until the next administration comes in and, just like last time, cleans up your DL's mess.

And do you know? If your DL had bothered to listen, his White House counsel would have explained all this to him before he appealed the ruling made by the Court of International Trade. Then, CBP had to put aside millions in funds granted to the litigants, in interest-earning accounts.

Now, your DL owes his deponents all that cash, along with every other importer who decides to lodge a claim. All that tariff revenue your DL pretended could replace income taxes will need to go straight back to the importers - with interest - minus the billions in subsidies paid out to the producers effected by your DL's tariffs.

This is no small drink. We're talking hundreds of billions of dollars here - a gamble your DL played and lost, typical of what Suzie Wiles calls his alcoholic personality. Again, if he had simply bothered to hear his lawyers out, he would have known that even the most obsequious SCOTUS ever appointed could never allow a prez to issue an unconstitutional tax.

Such a ruling would have overturned the entire basis of the US republic, granting a US prez the powers of a king. It would have the effect of ruling the Boston Tea Party null and void. Indeed, the only compelling dissenting argument presented came down to the problem of processing refunds. Kavanaugh, joined by Thomas and Alito, pressed that:

The interim effects of the Court’s decision could be substantial. The United States may be required to refund billions of dollars to importers who have paid the IEEPA tariffs, even though some importers may have already passed on costs to consumers or others.

This, Kavanaugh argued, is is likely to be a “mess.” 

Shurely shome mishtake, eh?

Your DL's entire strategy was to trash things so bad that the Supreme Court would simply go with the status quo. This was certainly his administration's argument in court. It is, of course, the way he plays every issue, from his mismanagement of covid to DOGE to his invasion of Iran. Create a problem, let others come up with a solution and claim a "win": a wrecking ball approach to policy and administration. All the king's horses and all the king's men could never put Humpty together again.

He has form with this approach. He used it to get building permits for half-demolished property developments in the 1980s. He used it to avoid personal liability when he bankrupted three casinos, dragging out proceedings to delay settlement. They even used it to edit episodes of the Apprentice, recutting his off-script, profanity-laden boardroom monologues and manufacturing conflict in the form of "reality" TV drama.

Your DL has spent his life burning through other people's wealth - his inheritance, his junk-bond investors, his NBC executives, who finally saw the light and fired him after 14 years. He has burned through three marriages, using the tabloid fodder of two of his divorces as a form of self-promotion. He burned his one important friendship, ratting out his buddy Jeff over a property deal. His attempts to bury the Epstein files have given him countless opportunities for new distractions - Greenland, Venezuela, Iran. Create a problem, play the victim, seek vengeance.

So yes, dear. The US Government took the money, the US Government will pay the money back; and the customers/taxpayers will foot the bill. All of the above.

And somehow, out of all that, your DL managed to pocket $4 bil in his first year alone.

This, of course, is why you go rather shy when discussing the delicate subject of presidential corruption. You won't even condemn presidents taking bribes to pardon criminals. His pardons have cost US revenue $1.3 bil, not to mention the debts owed to victims, all commuted.

When your DL goes, and when the Dems are elected to clean his whole mess up, you watch - you'll be back to complaining about corruption and wasteful spending again.

You're most consistent on this point, no?

"Quote me."

Big Donger wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 6:10pm:

When your DL goes, and when the Dems are elected to clean his whole mess up, you watch - you'll be back to complaining about corruption and wasteful spending again. You're most consistent on this point, no? "Quote me."

You haven't even shown, once, that he is my DL. ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 6:04pm:

lee wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 5:38pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 5:27pm: the refunds will go to businesses, taxpayers will fund this refunding too There are two things there. 1. If the refunds go to business and no further, it increases their profit and tax on that profit. 2. if the customers kept their receipts, they can get a refund. It's just pantomime.

Oh, I know.

Despicable deplorable, innit.

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lee wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 6:16pm:

Big Donger wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 6:10pm: When your DL goes, and when the Dems are elected to clean his whole mess up, you watch - you'll be back to complaining about corruption and wasteful spending again. You're most consistent on this point, no? "Quote me." You haven't even shown, once, that he is my DL. ::)

Quote me.

Big Donger wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 6:10pm:

The US Government took the money, the US Government will pay the money back; and the customers/taxpayers will foot the bill. All of the above.

Seeing as the businesses paid it and will get it back they are no way out of pocket. Customers will have to wait longer, but they will eventually  likely be refunded. The money will be in  Consolidated accounts.

You provided no evidence to back up your assertions, despite the link. Your reply goes way beyond the link.

lee wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 6:35pm:

Big Donger wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 6:10pm: The US Government took the money, the US Government will pay the money back; and the customers/taxpayers will foot the bill. All of the above. Seeing as the businesses paid it and will get it back they are no way out of pocket. Customers will have to wait longer, but they will eventually  likely be refunded. The money will be in  Consolidated accounts. You provided no evidence to back up your assertions, despite the link. Your reply goes way beyond the link.

Which assertions? Look, you just said he's not your DL.

So, are we to take it you're all good with presidents levying taxes without Congress, frittering the revenue away in subsidies, insulting Supreme Court judges when they inevitably rule against it and having no plan to pay the billions back when they do?

This was DL's signature economic policy. It's his favourite word in the dictionary.

If he's not your DL, I take it from your defence you think this is an effective way of governing.

Either way, it's time. Tell us you condemn this kind of unconstitutional incompetence henceforth and hitherto.

Or not.

Big Donger wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 6:55pm:

So, are we to take it you're all good with presidents levying taxes without Congress, frittering the revenue away in subsidies

You mean like the Dem's with their renewable subsidies?

Big Donger wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 6:22pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 6:04pm: lee wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 5:38pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 5:27pm: the refunds will go to businesses, taxpayers will fund this refunding too There are two things there. 1. If the refunds go to business and no further, it increases their profit and tax on that profit. 2. if the customers kept their receipts, they can get a refund. It's just pantomime. Oh, I know. Despicable deplorable, innit.

Grimacing, tapdancing paki pantomime. Better?
I'm being inclusive, caring and nurturing.

lee wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 7:07pm:

Big Donger wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 6:55pm: So, are we to take it you're all good with presidents levying taxes without Congress, frittering the revenue away in subsidies You mean like the Dem's with their renewable subsidies?

Do you mean subsidies funded by legislation, approved by a Republican-majority Senate?

The same subsidies funding green energy projects where most of the Republican representatives that voted against them turned up to their respective ribbon-cutting ceremonies in support?

No, Lee, I most certainly do not. Don't want to answer the question?

Oh look - you've gone.

Frank wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 7:12pm:

Big Donger wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 6:22pm: Frank wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 6:04pm: lee wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 5:38pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 5:27pm: the refunds will go to businesses, taxpayers will fund this refunding too There are two things there. 1. If the refunds go to business and no further, it increases their profit and tax on that profit. 2. if the customers kept their receipts, they can get a refund. It's just pantomime. Oh, I know. Despicable deplorable, innit. Grimacing, tapdancing paki pantomime. Better? I'm being inclusive, caring and nurturing.

Not at all, dear boy. Inclusive, caring and nurturing is when you share your most valuable thoughts on the subject at hand.

Despicable-deplorable's when you chuck a hissy and run off.

Big Donger wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 7:49pm:

Do you mean subsidies funded by legislation, approved by a Republican-majority Senate?

yes. now what subsidies are you talking about?

lee wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 8:46pm:

Big Donger wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 7:49pm: Do you mean subsidies funded by legislation, approved by a Republican-majority Senate? yes. now what subsidies are you talking about?

Poof - and gone.

Big Donger wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 6:10pm:

...............  Your DL's entire strategy was to trash things so bad that the Supreme Court would simply go with the status quo. This was certainly his administration's argument in court. It is, of course, the way he plays every issue, from his mismanagement of covid to DOGE to his invasion of Iran. Create a problem, let others come up with a solution and claim a "win": a wrecking ball approach to policy and administration. All the king's horses and all the king's men could never put Humpty together again. He has form with this approach. He used it to get building permits for half-demolished property developments in the 1980s. He used it to avoid personal liability when he bankrupted three casinos, dragging out proceedings to delay settlement. They even used it to edit episodes of the Apprentice, recutting his off-script, profanity-laden boardroom monologues and manufacturing conflict in the form of "reality" TV drama. Your DL has spent his life burning through other people's wealth - his inheritance, his junk-bond investors, his NBC executives, who finally saw the light and fired him after 14 years. He has burned through three marriages, using the tabloid fodder of two of his divorces as a form of self-promotion. He burned his one important friendship, ratting out his buddy Jeff over a property deal. His attempts to bury the Epstein files have given him countless opportunities for new distractions - Greenland, Venezuela, Iran. Create a problem, play the victim, seek vengeance. So yes, dear. The US Government took the money, the US Government will pay the money back; and the customers/taxpayers will foot the bill. All of the above. And somehow, out of all that, your DL managed to pocket $4 bil in his first year alone. This, of course, is why you go rather shy when discussing the delicate subject of presidential corruption. You won't even condemn presidents taking bribes to pardon criminals. His pardons have cost US revenue $1.3 bil, not to mention the debts owed to victims, all commuted.

there is also his felony convictions, sexist attitude, rape, stealing from a charity, cheating on every wife, NDA's as a marriage contract.
this is america.
steal, rape, lie. 

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 20^th, 2026 at 8:18am:

Big Donger wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 6:10pm: ...............  Your DL's entire strategy was to trash things so bad that the Supreme Court would simply go with the status quo. This was certainly his administration's argument in court. It is, of course, the way he plays every issue, from his mismanagement of covid to DOGE to his invasion of Iran. Create a problem, let others come up with a solution and claim a "win": a wrecking ball approach to policy and administration. All the king's horses and all the king's men could never put Humpty together again. He has form with this approach. He used it to get building permits for half-demolished property developments in the 1980s. He used it to avoid personal liability when he bankrupted three casinos, dragging out proceedings to delay settlement. They even used it to edit episodes of the Apprentice, recutting his off-script, profanity-laden boardroom monologues and manufacturing conflict in the form of "reality" TV drama. Your DL has spent his life burning through other people's wealth - his inheritance, his junk-bond investors, his NBC executives, who finally saw the light and fired him after 14 years. He has burned through three marriages, using the tabloid fodder of two of his divorces as a form of self-promotion. He burned his one important friendship, ratting out his buddy Jeff over a property deal. His attempts to bury the Epstein files have given him countless opportunities for new distractions - Greenland, Venezuela, Iran. Create a problem, play the victim, seek vengeance. So yes, dear. The US Government took the money, the US Government will pay the money back; and the customers/taxpayers will foot the bill. All of the above. And somehow, out of all that, your DL managed to pocket $4 bil in his first year alone. This, of course, is why you go rather shy when discussing the delicate subject of presidential corruption. You won't even condemn presidents taking bribes to pardon criminals. His pardons have cost US revenue $1.3 bil, not to mention the debts owed to victims, all commuted. there is also his felony convictions, sexist attitude, rape, stealing from a charity, cheating on every wife, NDA's as a marriage contract. this is america. steal, rape, lie.

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Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 20^th, 2026 at 8:18am:

Big Donger wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 6:10pm: ...............  Your DL's entire strategy was to trash things so bad that the Supreme Court would simply go with the status quo. This was certainly his administration's argument in court. It is, of course, the way he plays every issue, from his mismanagement of covid to DOGE to his invasion of Iran. Create a problem, let others come up with a solution and claim a "win": a wrecking ball approach to policy and administration. All the king's horses and all the king's men could never put Humpty together again. He has form with this approach. He used it to get building permits for half-demolished property developments in the 1980s. He used it to avoid personal liability when he bankrupted three casinos, dragging out proceedings to delay settlement. They even used it to edit episodes of the Apprentice, recutting his off-script, profanity-laden boardroom monologues and manufacturing conflict in the form of "reality" TV drama. Your DL has spent his life burning through other people's wealth - his inheritance, his junk-bond investors, his NBC executives, who finally saw the light and fired him after 14 years. He has burned through three marriages, using the tabloid fodder of two of his divorces as a form of self-promotion. He burned his one important friendship, ratting out his buddy Jeff over a property deal. His attempts to bury the Epstein files have given him countless opportunities for new distractions - Greenland, Venezuela, Iran. Create a problem, play the victim, seek vengeance. So yes, dear. The US Government took the money, the US Government will pay the money back; and the customers/taxpayers will foot the bill. All of the above. And somehow, out of all that, your DL managed to pocket $4 bil in his first year alone. This, of course, is why you go rather shy when discussing the delicate subject of presidential corruption. You won't even condemn presidents taking bribes to pardon criminals. His pardons have cost US revenue $1.3 bil, not to mention the debts owed to victims, all commuted. there is also his felony convictions, sexist attitude, rape, stealing from a charity, cheating on every wife, NDA's as a marriage contract. this is america. steal, rape, lie.

Incorrect. This is DL.

The Americans are our friends.

Big Donger wrote on Apr 19^th, 2026 at 10:30pm:

Poof - and gone.

And nothing substantive again.

lee wrote on Apr 20^th, 2026 at 7:38pm:

Big Donger wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 10:30pm: Poof - and gone. And nothing substantive again.

Gone - back to where they came from.

Poor karny - can't post anything substantive when I am not online, or even if I am online. Are you a tweaker?

lee wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 3:47pm:

Poor karny - can't post anything substantive when I am not online, or even if I am online. Are you a tweaker?

Never to return. Gone to meet their maker.

Our thoughts and prayers are with the family in their hour of need.