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Title: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Bobby. on Apr 12th, 2026 at 12:55pm The war will start again. :'( https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-iran-talks-pause-now-disagreements-remain-2026-04-11/ Summary Both Iran and US say talks have ended Both sides had 'mood swings' during talks, Pakistani source says Iran seeks Lebanon ceasefire, reparations, control of Hormuz US wants Iran to commit to not developing nuclear weapons ISLAMABAD, April 12 (Reuters) - U.S. Vice President JD Vance said on Sunday that his negotiating team was leaving Pakistan after not reaching a deal with Iran following 21 hours of negotiations, jeopardizing a fragile two-week ceasefire. "The bad news is that we have not reached an agreement, and I think that's bad news for Iran much more than it's bad news for the United States of America," Vance told reporters after the talks ended. "So we go back to the United States having not come to an agreement. We've made very clear what our red lines are." Vance cited shortcomings in the talks and said Iran had chosen not to accept American terms, including to not build nuclear weapons. A short time later, Vance waved goodbye from the top of the stairs as he boarded Air Force Two in Islamabad. "We need to see an affirmative commitment that they will not seek a nuclear weapon, and they will not seek the tools that would enable them to quickly achieve a nuclear weapon. That is the core goal of the president of the United States, and that's what we've tried to achieve through these negotiations." Iran's semi-official Tasnim news agency said that "excessive" U.S. demands had hindered reaching an agreement and that negotiations had ended. Before Vance spoke, Iran's government in a post on X had said negotiations would continue and technical experts from both sides would exchange documents. The talks in Islamabad were the first direct U.S.-Iranian meeting in more than a decade and the highest-level discussions since the 1979 Islamic Revolution. In his brief press conference, Vance did not mention reopening the Strait of Hormuz, a choke point for about 20% of global energy supplies that Iran has blocked since the war began. The conflict has sent global oil prices soaring and killed thousands of people. Vance's delegation included special envoy Steve Witkoff and President Donald Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner. Vance said he talked with Trump a half a dozen to a dozen times during the talks. Iran's team included Parliamentary Speaker Mohammad Baqer Qalibaf and Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi. The Iranian delegation arrived on Friday dressed in black in mourning for late Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and others killed in the war. They carried shoes and bags of some students killed during the U.S. bombing of a school next to a military compound, the Iranian government said. The Pentagon has said the strike is under investigation but Reuters has reported that military investigators believe the U.S. was likely responsible for it. "There were mood swings from the two sides and the temperature went up and down during the meeting," a Pakistani source said in reference to the first round of talks. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Bobby. on Apr 12th, 2026 at 12:58pm https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-april-12-2026/ US Vice President JD Vance says negotiations have ended between the US and Iran without a peace deal after the Iranians refused to accept American terms not to develop a nuclear weapon. Vance tells reporters in Pakistan that US officials are leaving the negotiations with Iran without a deal, planning to return to the United States. The high-stakes talks ended after 21 hours, Vance says, with the vice president in constant communication with US President Donald Trump and others in the administration. “But the simple fact is that we need to see an affirmative commitment that they will not seek a nuclear weapon, and they will not seek the tools that would enable them to quickly achieve a nuclear weapon,” Vance tells reporters. “That is the core goal of the president of the United States. And that’s what we’ve tried to achieve through these negotiations.” |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 12th, 2026 at 1:03pm Wow, JD failed. What a surprise :o |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Bobby. on Apr 12th, 2026 at 1:05pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 1:03pm:
We're doomed. :o |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 12th, 2026 at 1:07pm "So we go back to the United States having not come to an agreement. We've made very clear what our red lines are." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhHjACjJjA |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 12th, 2026 at 2:01pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 1:05pm:
While the Trump Things are gonna get a whole lot worse until the adults are in charge again. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by lee on Apr 12th, 2026 at 2:44pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 2:01pm:
you mean the Dem's are gunna appease the Iranians? Did they only mine Iranian waters or Osmani waters? Apparently they have lost the location of where they laid them. ::) |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 12th, 2026 at 2:51pm lee wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 2:44pm:
They won't threaten genocide or start and endless war with no exit plan. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Bobby. on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:12pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 2:51pm:
Trump has shown arrogance. Google AI: Arrogance is an insulting, overbearing sense of one's own superior importance or ability, often accompanied by contempt for others. It is characterized by haughty behavior, excessive pride, and a dismissal of others' opinions. Examples include interrupting others, disregarding advice, or assuming one is always right. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by lee on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:16pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 2:51pm:
maybe. You really shouldn't make assumptions. it gets you all the time. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Bobby. on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:16pm
Is Trump a malignant narcissist?
Google AI: A malignant narcissist is an individual with a severe, abusive personality disorder combining extreme narcissistic traits with antisocial behavior, sadism, and paranoia. They are characterized by a total lack of empathy, intense manipulation, pleasure in others' pain, and high aggression. While not a formal diagnosis in the DSM-5, it is considered a dangerous, more aggressive form of narcissism. Key Characteristics Sadism: Finding pleasure or satisfaction in harming others mentally, emotionally, or physically. Antisocial Behavior: Lack of remorse, frequent lying, and breaking social norms. Paranoid Tendencies: Interpreting neutral actions as hostile and believing others are out to get them. Manipulation & Control: Using techniques like gaslighting to secure power. Rage & Reactivity: Intense outbursts when their superiority is challenged. Diagnosis & Treatment Not a Formal Diagnosis: Malignant narcissism is not listed in the DSM-5. It is a conceptual construct described by psychologists like Otto Kernberg. Treatment Challenges: Treatment is difficult because they rarely believe they need help and often refuse to take responsibility. Potential Therapy: While there is no specific cure, therapies aimed at reducing antisocial behaviors or treating co-occurring conditions might be used if the individual is willing. How to Cope Set Boundaries: Establish firm boundaries, though these are often tested. Maintain Distance: Limit interactions to protect yourself from manipulation and abuse. Disengage: Avoid trying to win arguments or seeking revenge. Focus on Self-Care: Seek therapy for yourself to manage the impact of the abuse. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Sir lastnail on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:30pm
This is the complete description of malignant narcicicsst according to google AI.
There's no cure for it :( Quote:
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Biggest donger on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:31pm lee wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:16pm:
Can't ever recall Iran threatening to wipe out Israel, can't ever recall Iran government chanting "death to America". Iran would never station a group in a foreign country and arm them to attack Israel and American military assets. But if they did I'm sure they would announce their plans on CNN in advance. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Sir lastnail on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:35pm Leroy wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:31pm:
they only shout out "death to america" when they see what is happening in gaza and who is supplying the weapons to facilitate it :( In no way does it justify starting WWIII. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Biggest donger on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:45pm Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:35pm:
Yes I did forget they are supplying weapons to Hamas to facilitate a war with the intention of wiping out Israel. And they supplied weapons to Houthies too. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:53pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:16pm:
Yes. Also an adjudicated rapist, sociopath, and convicted felon. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Bobby. on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:55pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:53pm:
Wow - he could keep a whole team of psychiatrists busy for years. :o |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:59pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:55pm:
Yes. As long as they don't mind not being paid. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by lee on Apr 12th, 2026 at 4:30pm Leroy wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:31pm:
Do you have to declare it when you are funding Hezbollah? ;D ;D ;D ;D "Iranian external operations refer to the activities conducted by the Islamic Republic of Iran in foreign countries since the 1979 Islamic Revolution. These are primarily carried out by Unit 840 of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Quds Force (IRGC-QF), supported by the Ministry of Intelligence and other actors. They employ military, intelligence, diplomatic, cyber, and proxy methods to advance Iran's foreign policy objectives. These operations have a global reach, with a particular focus on the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, Latin America and Europe. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_external_operations |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 12th, 2026 at 4:55pm Trump won't be happy knowing that JD failed. He shouldn't be surprised though. US Vice-President JD Vance says Tehran's negotiating team did not accept Washington's terms, adding "this is our final and best offer" This is the beginning of the end for the make-up wearing couch humper. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Bobby. on Apr 12th, 2026 at 5:00pm The whole situation is depressing. It was proven before that e.g. in Germany in WW2 - the Nazis were prepared and accepted that their whole country would be turned into a smoking pile of rubble before they gave up and surrendered - same with the Japs - almost every city was all rubble before they dropped the A bombs. Same happened in Gaza - even after there is nothing left Hamas still hasn't surrendered - while they live in tunnels like rats. Iran is the same - even a threat to send them back to the stone age hasn't changed their minds. What does it prove? - it proves that evil people in those countries were prepared to have everyone of their citizens die rather than surrender. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Sir lastnail on Apr 12th, 2026 at 5:10pm Leroy wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:45pm:
unguided missiles are no match for F-35's and GBU-39 guided missiles or Mark-84, 2000 pound bunker buster bombs. Wonder where they are getting them from ?? :( |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by lee on Apr 12th, 2026 at 5:34pm Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 5:10pm:
Whoever said they were unguided? Ballistic missiles have to have some kind of guidance. "Iran has developed a variety of guided missiles, including air-to-air, air-to-surface, anti-ship, and ballistic missiles" Fro AI. ::) |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Big Donger on Apr 12th, 2026 at 5:55pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 1:05pm:
So? Now DL has to keep his promise and destroy an entire civilisation tonight. He didn't want this to happen, remember, but now it will. Iranians will have to learn what it's like to have no electricity or drinking water. Donnie always was a bit of a disrupter, no? It'll do the Iranians some good to have a little adversity. Armageddonism, innit. Meh. images__1___27_.jpeg (42 KB | 3
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Big Donger on Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:00pm lee wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:16pm:
He's right, Greggery. Donnie always said his plans for genocide were an IF. You shouldn't just assume the mullahs won't change their minds, apologise and call the whole thing off, but what do we care? Lee's been planning on getting an EV anyway. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by lee on Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:02pm Big Donger wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:00pm:
Strange answer to a comment on the Dem's. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Big Donger on Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:03pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 5:00pm:
Oh well. You can't say DL didn't try to stop WWIII, eh? He gave it a go, Bobby. Who's your next DL gonna be? |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Big Donger on Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:06pm lee wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:02pm:
The Dems, was it? I say, do you think JD offered the mullahs the chance to go back to Obama's nuke deal? |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Bobby. on Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:07pm Big Donger wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:03pm:
Looks like JD is stepping up to the plate. Will the public accept his beard? |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Big Donger on Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:10pm Leroy wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 3:31pm:
Me either, Biggest. They never once announced their intention to destroy an entire civilisation tonight. At least DL's up front about it, no? |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Big Donger on Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:13pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:07pm:
I can't see how, Bobby. He can hardly campaign on stopping WWIII, now can he? Of course, you said you'd never support a prez with a beard - or eye shadow for that matter. So, who's it gonna be? |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Bobby. on Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:21pm Big Donger wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:13pm:
I dunno - men with beards tend to tell fibs and hide behind their beards. :-[ |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by lee on Apr 12th, 2026 at 7:14pm Big Donger wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:06pm:
So you didn't know what you were commenting on. That is so you. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Big Donger on Apr 12th, 2026 at 7:39pm lee wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 7:14pm:
Why are you talking about the Dems, Lee? This is so you. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Big Donger on Apr 12th, 2026 at 7:39pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:21pm:
I dunno - men with beards tend to tell fibs and hide behind their beards. :-[/quote] Right, so you'll never go for JD, is it? How about DL? Will you back him for a third term? |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Dnarever on Apr 12th, 2026 at 7:41pm
JD would have been pushing a very bad deal for Iran. No surprise here.
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Bobby. on Apr 12th, 2026 at 8:34pm Big Donger wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 7:39pm:
Ohh come on - Trump will be 80 in a few months - I doubt he'll even survive his 2nd term. ::) |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Big Donger on Apr 12th, 2026 at 8:39pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 8:34pm:
Then WHY did you demand his election? He's been in power for a little more than a year, you redeculous old thing. When we told you just this in 2024, you said ohh come on, DL's my hero. Say it, Bobby. It's time. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Bobby. on Apr 12th, 2026 at 8:43pm Big Donger wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 8:39pm:
Look - it was a choice between cackling Kamala DEI or bullshit artist Trump - not much of a choice. ::) |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Captain Nemo on Apr 12th, 2026 at 11:03pm |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 12th, 2026 at 11:24pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 2:01pm:
How did Obama sending pallet loads of cash work out? Quote:
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 12th, 2026 at 11:44pm Quote:
Over 40 days they still haven't buried Ali Khamenei. They held a service for 40 days since death for this muslim leader in a Church to keep it secret. Israel has bombed Hezbollah funerals which saves on logistics as they made their own way to cemetary just have to dig a few more holes. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Captain Nemo on Apr 13th, 2026 at 12:27am
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump So, there you have it, the meeting went well, most points were agreed to, but the only point that really mattered, NUCLEAR, was not. Effective immediately, the United States Navy, the Finest in the World, will begin the process of BLOCKADING any and all Ships trying to enter, or leave, the Strait of Hormuz. At some point, we will reach an “ALL BEING ALLOWED TO GO IN, ALL BEING ALLOWED TO GO OUT” basis, but Iran has not allowed that to happen by merely saying, “There may be a mine out there somewhere,” that nobody knows about but them. THIS IS WORLD EXTORTION, and Leaders of Countries, especially the United States of America, will never be extorted. I have also instructed our Navy to seek and interdict every vessel in International Waters that has paid a toll to Iran. No one who pays an illegal toll will have safe passage on the high seas. We will also begin destroying the mines the Iranians laid in the Straits. Any Iranian who fires at us, or at peaceful vessels, will be BLOWN TO HELL! Iran knows, better than anyone, how to END this situation which has already devastated their Country. Their Navy is gone, their Air Force is gone, their Anti Aircraft and Radar are useless, Khomeini, and most of their “Leaders,” are dead, all because of their Nuclear ambition. The Blockade will begin shortly. Other Countries will be involved with this Blockade. Iran will not be allowed to profit off this Illegal Act of EXTORTION. They want money and, more importantly, they want Nuclear. Additionally and, at an appropriate moment, we are fully “LOCKED AND LOADED,” and our Military will finish up the little that is left of Iran! President DONALD J. TRUMP Apr 12, 2026, 10:52 PM |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Big Donger on Apr 13th, 2026 at 12:37am Bobby. wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 8:43pm:
Oh yes, there was. You said DL would save us from WWIII. Now, it's only just begun. Admit it. Ever get the feeling you've been farmed? |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Big Donger on Apr 13th, 2026 at 12:40am Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 11:24pm:
According to the International Atomic Energy Commission? Perfect. Now, Bobby's just confessed. You? |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Yadda on Apr 13th, 2026 at 5:50am Bobby. wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 12:55pm:
The Iranian Mullah's are a pretty slippery 'animal'. !! But Donald is a 'player'. The Mullah's haven't encountered anyone like Donald Trump before ! And......"it ain't over, until its over." Trump is a true maverick. < ----- and this is also the reason, why Trump is so hated. He is not a virtuous man. But he is a man 'appropriate' to this age. He is a person who has the ability, to unsettle those, who wish to 'put into harness' [and control] men such as himself. He's a player. maverick = = an unorthodox or independent-minded person: a maverick |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Captain Nemo on Apr 13th, 2026 at 1:52pm
Why would you say this if not signaling that you are OK to help with the blockade? :o
Australia could 'absolutely' contribute to war effort if a request is made By Courtney Gould Vice Admiral Mark Hammond says Australia would be "absolutely' capable of assisting in the Middle East if requested to. (ABC News: Stuart Carnegie) It's the same tone struck by the current ADF chief, Admiral David Johnston, last week when he pushed back on suggestions the navy would struggle to contribute a warship to efforts in the strait. Hammond says the navy is as "ready as it ever has been". "The question of contribution is one for consideration by the Australian government should they receive a request and there's been no such request as yet," Hammond says. Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said earlier there had been no request made for Australia to participate in the US's planned blockade. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-13/federal-politics-live-albanese-fuel-iran-critical-minerals/106551548 What a FLIRT! ;D |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by tallowood on Apr 13th, 2026 at 3:49pm
🇺🇸🇵🇰🇮🇷 Pakistan has proposed joint patrols of the Strait of Hormuz to Iran and the United States, Al Jazeera reports.
Iran refused. |
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Title: Re: US leaves Iran peace talks without a deal Post by Captain Nemo on Apr 14th, 2026 at 11:14am
I suppose there is the chance that Iran was bluffing about mines in the strait.
We will find out fairly soon. Of course, with Trump whose idea on life was outlined in his book: "If they come at you with a knife, go after them with a bazooka" or words to that effect, I reckon he will dump some more "bigly" weapons on Iran yet. :( Did someone tell Trump about JFK and blockades? Not wise, Trump would think that to be a great idea and wish to have the biggest blockade ever. :o |
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