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Title: 250 Years - Never like this Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 7th, 2026 at 12:09pm
In 250 years of American history, nothing quite like this has unfolded, not Vietnam, not Korea, not Afghanistan, not Iraq.
This isn't a conventional war, it's asymmetric pressure applied across every fault line at once. Iran doesn't need to win on a battlefield, it just needs the US to keep bleeding, economically, strategically, reputationally, while it expends comparatively little. And Trump? He can't even keep a consistent justification for the war. The rationale keeps shifting depending on the audience and the day, which means the "strategy" shifts with it. That's not leadership, that's a bad social media strategy at best. At the same time, we were told Iran had no real air defence capability, total air superiority, uncontested skies. Yet US aircraft are still being shot down, including advanced jets, with officials unable or unwilling to clearly explain how. If that claim doesn't hold up, why would anyone take the rest of the reporting at face value? That extends to casualties. When information is tightly controlled, details are sparse, and media access is restricted around things like transfers and losses, you're not looking at transparency, you're looking at narrative management. What makes Iran's approach effective is its simplicity. It turns what Trump's supporters see as his strengths into liabilities, forces overextension, raises the cost of every move, and chips away at structural advantages like the petrodollar and regional stability. Vietnam was long. Afghanistan was expensive. This risks being something worse, a slow, grinding erosion driven as much by incoherent leadership as by external pressure. And if this level of incompetence continues, the real damage won't just be military, it'll be systemic. And none of it had to happen. Trump needed to do NOTHING. Just let the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) work. Iran surrenders its enriched uranium, inspectors confirm dismantling of their ability to create more and the US works closer with Iran to find further diplomatic solutions to the remaining issues. But no, that was Obama's deal. Trump can get a better one. Well, enjoy the better deal MAGA as you're priced out of, well, life. Tired of winning yet? |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by Bobby. on Apr 7th, 2026 at 12:36pm
Mr Sad,
Why would a nice guy like you wanna kill a genius?... Do you know that the man really likes you? He likes you. He really likes you. But he's got something in mind for you. Aren't you curious about that?... I’m curious. I’m very curious. There's something happening out here, man.... I know something that you don't know. That's right, Jack. The man is clear in his mind, but his soul is mad. Oh, yeah. He's dying, I think. He hates all of this. He hates it, but the man's, uh. He reads poetry outloud, all right?... He likes you 'cause you're still alive. He's got plans for you. No, no, I'm not gonna help you. You're gonna help him, man... I mean, what are they gonna say, man, when he's gone, huh? 'Cause he dies when it dies, man. When it dies, he dies. What are they gonna say about him? What are they gonna say? He was a kind man? He was a wise man? He had plans? He had wisdom? Bullshit, man! Am I gonna be the one that's gonna set them straight? Look at me. Wrong! - you. https://www.bitchute.com/video/3QXuh2t5tKsv |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 7th, 2026 at 2:32pm
There is no 4D chess here, there is no plan, at least not with Iran.
Donald Trump was the first President too feeble to stand up to Israel, he took them at their word that it would only last four days, and now the United States is fully committed without any coherent strategy, led by a leader who is incapable of negotiating without being in a position of strength, which the United States emphatically is not right now, and his incompetence and ego are inflicting damage across the entire globe. He and the Secretary of Defence have systematically removed senior generals who refuse to execute orders they consider unlawful, and at best now we have to hope Republicans will support invoking the 25th Amendment. At worst, Trump has been executing all the familiar moves that suggest the next step could be a coup by him. There is a checklist that political scientists who study democratic collapse have been using for decades to assess basket cases overseas. Trump is ticking every box. Purging senior military leadership and replacing them with loyalists, Firing the lawyers who enforce military law, Ignoring court orders, Co‑opting intelligence agencies, Deploying troops domestically, Gutting the civil service, Delegitimising elections before they happen. None of this is new, it is just new here. Every single one of the following leaders ran a comparable playbook before their country ceased being what it used to be: Saddam Hussein, Iraq, Adolf Hitler, Germany, Joseph Stalin, Soviet Union, Muammar Gaddafi, Libya, Hugo Chávez and Nicolás Maduro, Venezuela, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Turkey, Viktor Orbán, Hungary, Nayib Bukele, El Salvador, Alberto Fujimori, Peru, Louis‑Napoléon, France, Kais Saied, Tunisia. The through‑line in every case was the same, remove independent military leadership, install personal loyalty at the top, and the institution that could have stopped you no longer will. Three separate global democracy indices have now formally downgraded the United States, with some academic data series indicating a shift into a less democratic regime type and others noting substantial declines in democratic quality. For example, the Polity dataset, a long‑running political regime ranking, has labelled the United States an "anocracy" following recent events, describing an "Adverse Regime Change event" placing it close to autocracy. That is the same methodology used in assessments of countries with significant democratic backsliding. The courts are still pushing back, but his disregard for them is well documented. That is the one institution still standing, so watch what happens to them next. |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 7th, 2026 at 2:46pm
america for along time has been a corrupt thieving bullying country.
Now everyone knows it everyone knows raping children is ok in america |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by aquascoot on Apr 7th, 2026 at 2:49pm
Donnys problem is he is in the middle east.
The Christian West understands the concept of forgiving your enemies . But the Jews ( eye for an eye) and the muslims ( slay the non believer , wherever you find him ) do not . Donny is stuck in a paradigm of mutually assured and indeed desired destruction. The middle east love it, they vibe with it. Donny should look after his own sphere of interest, drill baby drill, get Venezuelan oil moving and recognize his country is one of the few that is energy and food self sufficient. Asia is not and Australia is definitely not ( though it should be ) |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by Bobby. on Apr 7th, 2026 at 3:05pm aquascoot wrote on Apr 7th, 2026 at 2:49pm:
We own an entire continent yet we suck up to every other country for the things we need. Australia is full of losers. We vote for losers. ::) |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by Big Donger on Apr 7th, 2026 at 3:06pm aquascoot wrote on Apr 7th, 2026 at 2:49pm:
Sorry? Are you saying he's wrong? Oo-er, I feel we're having a moment here. Back to Ron D for prez, are we? |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 7th, 2026 at 3:25pm Big Donger wrote on Apr 7th, 2026 at 3:06pm:
Yeah, he was too weak to stand up against Israel, the first President ever to be manipulated into going to war with Iran. We've always warned about how easily manipulated Trump is. Flattery. That's it. If that doesn't work, Epstein. Trump was compromised from the beginning, as the majority on the left warned from the start. |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 7th, 2026 at 4:09pm SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 7th, 2026 at 3:25pm:
Accompanied by a fake trophy, and he'll do anything. Literally. |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by Big Donger on Apr 7th, 2026 at 4:34pm SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 7th, 2026 at 3:25pm:
No no, I'm sure Aquascoot warned us too, Sad. DL's a little bit naughty. Grift baby grift. Hit the golf course and head home to bang Melania. Okay, he got the last one wrong. Aquascoot left the wartime prez thing out too. And the Armageddonism - that came as a bit of a shock. And the porkies. Okay, maybe Aquascoot lied a bit. He's allowed to do that. He's a "noble rightie", you see. |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by Big Donger on Apr 7th, 2026 at 4:36pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7th, 2026 at 4:09pm:
Epstein? You can't blame the big fella for that, Greggery. Whatabout Bill, the old dog, Clinton? Aquascoot has a pic of him and Hil on Epstein Airlines. Despicable stuff. |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 7th, 2026 at 5:04pm SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 7th, 2026 at 12:09pm:
The US has flown over 13,000 sorties over Iran losing 1 fighter jet. This plane flew for 10-15 minutes covering around 220km before crew ejected. They fly much lower than expected from numerous videos from Iran was it hit by a rifle shot? Imagine being the IRGC You get completely owned for five straight weeks, and then you FINALLY shoot down one plane, and then the US Military just sends in Delta Force, rescues both pilots, and kills a few hundred more of your men because they can. The JCPOA wasn't working Iran refused to let inspectors into sites like Parchin IAEA have documented this. Trump was right it was a poo deal only retarded leftists thought it would work. Obama flew in pallets of cash for Islamic regime. The Arabs know Obama was the worst POTUS ever. Quote:
Slavery returned to Libya thanks to Obamas Arab spring the he tweets BLM. The muslim brotherhood took over Egypt Morsi released them from jail and formed government with them before Egyptians threw him out. Obama supported Morsi the terrorist. Look at what Obama did in Syria with his cut your heart out and eat it rebels. Iran was always trying for a nuclear bomb woke retarded leftists are in la la land trying to deny this. Quote:
Trump is cleaning up the mess previous governments didn't want to deal with. Countries that have recently expelled all Iranian diplomats Saudi Arabia UAE Kuwait Bahrain Lebanon- dragged them to cars while bashing them USA Argentina Those Arab countries didn't let Trump use US airbases in those countries and they still got attacked. |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 7th, 2026 at 5:10pm
Trump is starting to mention regime change in Iran a bit more.
Israel was saying this is the goal from day 1 hence name "Rising Lion" Quote:
If Iranians had a 2A the Islamic regime would have been thrown out a long time ago. The only fear Iranians have is the US will stop blowing up Islamic regime. Listen to this lady in Iran- https://x.com/Mirak1812/status/2041372958786998738 |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 7th, 2026 at 5:58pm
A lot of atheists in Iran probably more than here which last census showed nearly 40% of us have no religion.
Why do lefties with TDS support Islamic regime over those atheists who want to overthrow Islamic regime and have secular democracy? Quote:
Iran backs Hamas Hezbollah and the Houthis who all like Hitler hate the Jews moj_hitler_001.jpg (105 KB | 4
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 7th, 2026 at 6:12pm Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 7th, 2026 at 6:04pm:
No. We think they're terrorists. Just like the Trump administration. There are no good guys in this illegal war. |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by Big Donger on Apr 7th, 2026 at 6:21pm Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 7th, 2026 at 5:58pm:
Excuse me, are you saying there's something wrong with Hitler? DL said he did some good things too, you know. SO UNFAIR !!! |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by aquascoot on Apr 7th, 2026 at 6:22pm Big Donger wrote on Apr 7th, 2026 at 3:06pm:
whats this "back to" nonsense. ive always wanted ron. unfortuinately the left went after donny with lawfare instead of just ignoring him and their stupidity in doing so sidelined ron and handed the presidency to donny. too old and too fat. donny is there purely because of the left. they love him being there because they are masochists govern me harder donny :) |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by Big Donger on Apr 7th, 2026 at 6:26pm Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 7th, 2026 at 6:04pm:
Just so. They're rational enough to take the Hormuz Strait and demand reparations, no? If Uncle invaded us, we'd be shutting down Bass Strait and demanding suitable compensation ourselves, I can assure you. DEEP STATE !!! |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by Big Donger on Apr 7th, 2026 at 6:40pm aquascoot wrote on Apr 7th, 2026 at 6:22pm:
So how does that work, exactly? The left Fox News presenters and New York Post columnists put their weight behind Ron and the base turned, did they? The left then crushed Desanctis in the GOP primaries, did they? The left bro influencers then jumped on board to rub it in and bring it home, is it? Come come. We know you're allowed to lie, but the excuses are getting weirder each day. Are the left supposed to believe your lies too? SO UNFAIR !!! |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by aquascoot on Apr 7th, 2026 at 7:05pm Big Donger wrote on Apr 7th, 2026 at 6:40pm:
trump was finished banned from social media in 2021. the left could have just let him wither on the vine instead they went after him with a range of lawfare, allowing him to get back in the spotlight allowing him to rally the maga money and make a comeback and win in 2024 if they had just said "donald who?", he would be playing golf and bothering no one. but their TDS wouldnt let it go. the left will have blood on their hands for going into partnership with donny the very astute joe rogan has called the war a betrayal by the big fella. donny now has nothing to lose. he might just blow the world up. the islamists will be delighted and karmal gets to starve to deth for his stupidity. i think its a definite possibility. punishment for your TDS ;) |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by Big Donger on Apr 7th, 2026 at 7:47pm aquascoot wrote on Apr 7th, 2026 at 7:05pm:
So why did "noble righties" like yourself dump him on the rest of us? Why didn't you speak up? Give us a warning? Send him an email? And when, exactly, did you convert to Armageddonism? Was it before or after he started WWIII? |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by Big Donger on Apr 7th, 2026 at 7:55pm
Here's Joe Rogan trying to explain Iran to Theo Von. Joe can barely remember the Wikipedia paragraph he read before the show, so he has to pull it up and read it on air.
https://youtu.be/i4kYuPl719o?si=jFMxI8GeVK1ACsm_ Joe actually stumbles onto a bit of truth, but true to form, he ignores the elephant in the room. You know who. |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 8th, 2026 at 11:25am
I don't have the time to dismantle every recycled right-wing talking point you're running with here Baron, but let's at least apply a consistent standard.
If you want to pin everything on Obama because the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action involved Iran accessing its own frozen assets in exchange for surrendering enriched nuclear material and dismantling capabilities under the International Atomic Energy Agency's watch, then what exactly is your position on what's happening now under Trump? Before Trump's failed war posture, roughly 130 ships a day were moving through the Strait of Hormuz. Now it's closer to seven. Those that do pass are being hit with tolls, roughly $1 per barrel, up to about $2 million per tanker. At current traffic, that's already around $10–14 million a day. If flows ever normalise, you're looking at $65–260 million per day from tolls alone. Then layer in oil exports, now sitting at roughly another $140 million per day, thanks to Trump lowering sanctions on Iranian oil because of the mess he's created, Russian oil too. You're staring down a scenario pushing towards $140 billion a year that Iran will have, assuming the sanctions stay lifted, that they didn't if Trump had just done NOTHING. This is all thanks to Trump. So again, where's the outrage? Or is it only outrage when it fits the narrative? |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by Big Donger on Apr 8th, 2026 at 2:38pm SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 8th, 2026 at 11:25am:
Now now, Sad, there's no need to catastrophize. DL was erected with a mandate to start WWIII, everybody knows that. It's just a bit of Armageddonism, that's all. Outrage? Where was the outrage over Hillary's emails? Whatabout Nancy's haircut during covid lockdown? Or Karmala's failed stint as border czar? I don't remember any outrage over that, dear. They're all as bad as each other, no? |
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Title: Re: 250 Years - Never like this Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 9th, 2026 at 7:53am SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 8th, 2026 at 11:25am:
therein lies the effects of the trump cult. |
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