Some of the strange things they believe:

You can't store electricity:


aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 12:41pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 10:47am: Reality check: Wind and solar already cost less than half the price of coal power, and a third that of nuclear. And the gap is rapidly widening. Even with storage it is still cheaper. What storage   ::) ::) ::)

Renewable energy has a greater environmental cost than fossil fuels:


lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 5:05pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:54pm: The fact that wind and solar are cheaper than coal and nuclear by more than a factor of 2 and 3 is based on the actual costs and amounts generated. As long as you disregard environmental costs. Less than 0.1 acre per MW of natural gas plant, 5.79 acres per MW of solar panels. ;).

Cost comparisons of renewables and fossil fuels ignore capacity factor:


freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:54pm:

lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:45pm: freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:34pm: I am not the one looking for something wo whine about when wind and solar cost less than half the price of coal, and less than a third the price of nuclear, and we are putting in a second main trunk to Tasmania so we can take advantage of their cheap, despatchable hydro as well. And when solar and wind give about 25% capacity factor. ;) This has also been explained to you. Many times. The fact that wind and solar are cheaper than coal and nuclear by more than a factor of 2 and 3 is based on the actual costs and amounts generated.

Imaginary content on ABC articles:


aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:30pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:12pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:11pm: freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:04pm: That's not an accounting trick Scoot. That's sharing the power lines. Incorrect, they build a solar farm in qld, pump power into the grid at midday when we already have too much, then pay to suck back on fossil fuels at night and declare they are 100 % renewable. Accounting trick. If it's not, let's see them disconnect from the grid  :D :D ;D That's not what your copy and paste job says. Did you read it? Certainly did. It said they are connected to the grid so that at night they can use all those lovely electrons created by fossil fuels in other states

Tasmania is a net electricity importer:


freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:09pm:

lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:04pm: freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 3:59pm: Low prices indicate an oversupply. They kind of went overboard a while back when every premier wanted a dam named after him. So overboard they had to import. Tasmania is a net electricity exporter, but it works both ways. When electricity is cheaper on the mainland due to renewable energy being so cheap (less than half the price of coal, 1/3 the price of nuclear), they import. Sometimes the east coast electricity price goes negative and we actually pay the Tasmanians to take our electricity. Then when there is high demand on the east coast pushing prices up, Tasmania runs the hydro plants and exports more renewable energy. The wonders of the free market. All that cheap renewable electricity getting shared around. It must make your blood boil, having to search so hard for something to whine about.

Only snowy 2 is capable of using electricity generated by snowy2 to charge lithium batteries:


lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 3:03pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 2:28pm: You did not understand the point - that you can charge batteries from stored hydro power. But Snowy2 has explicitly said they will not do that.

If you can't complain about wind and solar being less than half the price of coal and a third the price of nuclear, and still cheaper even when the price of storage is taken into account, invent a new problem that saving all this money will reduce the amount supplied:


lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:04pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 3:59pm: But there is nothing stopping anyone else with connected lithium battery storage from using it on an intra-day basis while snowy 2 is running. Ah adding another layer of electricity use into the mix. Down, down the projected take off goes up means the amount of supply goes down. ::)

Or this furphy - whining that while you are charging batteries and pumped hydro stations with free electricity due to an oversupply from wind and solar, that power is not available to the grid:


lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 3:03pm:

"It will provide flexible, on-demand power while reusing or ‘recycling’ the water in a closed loop and maximise the efficiency of renewables by using excess solar and wind energy to pump water to the higher dam, to be stored for later use." But then of course if they did do that. that is electricity not available to the grid out of that 1.76 days. ::)

Solar panels do not work during the day because it is dark (not even for charging batteries at midday to use later):


lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 1:42pm:

Charging batteries for intraday fluctuations? Not happening in a dunkelflate. ::)

Net zero by 20250 means abandoning fossil fuels now:


aquascoot wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:13pm:

Take fossil fuels away now and your standard of living will nosedive.

(it does not even mean abandoning fossil fuels by 2050)

It is not possible to store solar power generated during the day to use at night:


aquascoot wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 8:03pm:

Now explain how I can store all that solar energy so I can use it at night , recharge my cars at night when I aren't using them You can't.

Getting even more hysterical:


aquascoot wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 8:03pm:

Unless you want to mine the whole planet to make batteries. Without a breakthrough in power storage,, we will be reliant on fossil fuels or nuclear to power the world after 6 pm,

Calls to end coal now are on the news every second day:


Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 8:08pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 5:34pm: Quote: I am not the one holding up signs of 'end coal NOW' But that is the fantasy you choose to address instead of reality. Not a fantasy. On the news every other day.

Getting even more hysterical now - something about a link between renewables and slaughtering Jews:


Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 8:08pm:

Are you pushing the idiotic line that we must not take the Gretas, the Mohammeds, the Ayatollas and Abdel Fatahs at their word?? What is the korrekt translation of 'just end oil'? or 'death to Amerikkka'? or 'where's the Jews'?

Chris Bowen wants to ened fossil fuels now:


lee wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:21pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:07pm: Lee, no one other than Frank was suggesting we abandon fossil fuels now. T maybe you should check on Blackout Bowen. ;)

You can't make renewable energy without fossil fuels:


lee wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:05pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 7:48pm: You know that net zero by 2050, or some later decade, is not the same thing as abandoning fossil fuels now. I First of all you would need to make solar panels and wind turbines without fossil fuels.

You can't recharge electric vehicles with renewables:


aquascoot wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:54pm:

They require coal or gas to be burnt at night to make the electricity to recharge them

aquascoot wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:54pm:

If you switch it out for a tesla or a byd it is 10 years before the carbon used to produce that car is nullified.

The additional GHG emission associated with an EV are offset within 1 to 2 years of driving. EV's have lower total emissions, including the emissions associated with manufacture.

Net zero is not possible:


Frank wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:31pm:

No, no, no, dont tell me it's ....the mythical unicorn of 'net zero'. A gretaesque slogan.

You've gone fully retard on your renewables BS.

Everything you claim is practically the exact opposite in truth.

You & Malcolm Turdbull would mate great mates.  ;D

Quote:

Everything you claim is practically the exact opposite in truth.

It must be so frustrating for you to know this but not be able to produce the evidence.

FD,

Quote:

It is not possible to store solar power generated during the day to use at night

Yes it is - just used pumped hydro storage -

the water is pumped uphill and released later to drive electric turbines.

Thanks Bobby.

Wow, all that from just one thread. I did not realise how gullible they are until I started collecting all the quotes. And it's not like they haven't had it all explained to them plenty of times already.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 5:44pm:

FD, Quote: It is not possible to store solar power generated during the day to use at night Yes it is - just used pumped hydro storage - the water is pumped uphill and released later to drive electric turbines.

Wood, coal, oil, gas - all solar energy storage.

Another one: if Tasmania imports electricity for 7 days, that makes it a net importer:


Gnads wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 5:55pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:09pm: lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:04pm: freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 3:59pm: Low prices indicate an oversupply. They kind of went overboard a while back when every premier wanted a dam named after him. So overboard they had to import. Tasmania is a net electricity exporter, but it works both ways. When electricity is cheaper on the mainland due to renewable energy being so cheap (less than half the price of coal, 1/3 the price of nuclear), they import. Sometimes the east coast electricity price goes negative and we actually pay the Tasmanians to take our electricity. Then when there is high demand on the east coast pushing prices up, Tasmania runs the hydro plants and exports more renewable energy. The wonders of the free market. All that cheap renewable electricity getting shared around. It must make your blood boil, having to search so hard for something to whine about. Wrong ---- a net importer for the last 7 years.

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 5:46pm:

Thanks Bobby. Wow, all that from just one thread. I did not realise how gullible they are until I started collecting all the quotes. And it's not like they haven't had it all explained to them plenty of times already.

Yes - all electricity is convertible - you just need to store the energy.

In some ways we should pump sea water up from the coast and store it
inland at higher level -
then release it later when needed for power and let it flow back to the ocean.
Batteries are too small for that purpose.
In theory you could store weeks or months of cheap solar energy -
in large amounts.
The largest batteries we have only last for an hour on the National grid.

You can make a battery as big as you want Bobby. There is no limit. And for daily cycles, it is cheaper than pumped hydro.

Pumped hydro has limits on dam size etc. And the environmental issues from pumping saltwater inland would be a nightmare. We have plenty of freshwater options.

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 6:00pm:

You can make a battery as big as you want Bobby. There is no limit. And for daily cycles, it is cheaper than pumped hydro.

How big a battery? $125 -$334 per MWh. At what cost?

Not according to this -
                                                              Pumped   LFP
USD/kW based on PSH life of                 2,710    4,570
80 years and 6% discount
rate**)


https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/64f9d0036cb97160cc26feba/64f9d0036cb97160cc2712aa_IFPSH%20-%20PSH%20Capabilities%20and%20Costs_15%20Sept.pdf

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 6:00pm:

You can make a battery as big as you want Bobby. There is no limit. And for daily cycles, it is cheaper than pumped hydro. Pumped hydro has limits on dam size etc. And the environmental issues from pumping saltwater inland would be a nightmare. We have plenty of freshwater options.

The problem is that cheap land is not available near the ocean - and near cities
where the power is needed -
it's the most expensive land we have in Australia -
because it has milder temperatures and better rainfall for farmers -
just what is needed for growing crops or farming cattle etc.

Poor FD, taking so many things out of context.
one example -

Renewable energy has a greater environmental cost than fossil fuels:


freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 5:20pm:

lee wrote Today at 3:05pm: freediver wrote Today at 2:54pm: The fact that wind and solar are cheaper than coal and nuclear by more than a factor of 2 and 3 is based on the actual costs and amounts generated. As long as you disregard environmental costs. Less than 0.1 acre per MW of natural gas plant, 5.79 acres per MW of solar panels. Wink.

No example given of the environmental cost of fossil fuels. Environmental costs which would have to be added to the cost of solar panels.

Lee,
what about the cost of concrete as used in the bases of wind turbines?


Google AI:


Concrete production is highly energy-intensive, primarily driven by the cement manufacturing process, which requires heating raw materials (mainly limestone) to over 1,450°C in kilns, consuming approximately 2,775 MJ per m3.
Cement accounts for 70% of concrete's embodied energy, with production, including grinding, relying heavily on coal and natural gas.

Energy and Production Details

Total Energy Consumption: The production of
of concrete requires roughly 2,775 MJ of energy.


Embodied Energy: Concrete has an embodied energy of 1.69 GJ/tonne.

Key Driver: The, cement production process (specifically producing clinker) is the most energy-intensive part of the process, with 70% of the total energy used in concrete production attributed to the cement itself.


Thermal Energy: The kiln used to create clinker runs at temperatures exceeding 1,450°C.


Fuel Sources: The industry relies heavily on fossil fuels, with 57% of energy coming from coal and 24% from natural gas.

Electricity: The majority of electricity is used for grinding raw materials and clinker, with a typical intensity of around 100 kWh/t of cement.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 6:55pm:

what about the cost of concrete as used in the bases of wind turbines?

And replacement of them will be worse. As the turbines get bigger, the footings need to be bigger, so they can't be re-used.

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 6:00pm:

You can make a battery as big as you want Bobby. There is no limit. And for daily cycles, it is cheaper than pumped hydro. Pumped hydro has limits on dam size etc. And the environmental issues from pumping saltwater inland would be a nightmare. We have plenty of freshwater options.

Coal, oil, gas, wood ARE solar batteries.

Natural solar batteries.

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 7:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 6:55pm: what about the cost of concrete as used in the bases of wind turbines? And replacement of them will be worse. As the turbines get bigger, the footings need to be bigger, so they can't be re-used.

It makes you wonder if wind turbines are a net loss in energy?   :-/

There may be some places where it is feasible. Small, isolated, off the grid, with a low draw, provided they have backup of some kind.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 7:16pm:

lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 7:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 6:55pm: what about the cost of concrete as used in the bases of wind turbines? And replacement of them will be worse. As the turbines get bigger, the footings need to be bigger, so they can't be re-used. It makes you wonder if wind turbines are a net loss in energy?   :-/

Wind turbines are profitable for the makers.
Not the users.

Solar panels ditto.

EVs ditto.

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 6:10pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 6:00pm: You can make a battery as big as you want Bobby. There is no limit. And for daily cycles, it is cheaper than pumped hydro. How big a battery? $125 -$334 per MWh. At what cost? Not according to this -                                                               Pumped   LFP USD/kW based on PSH life of                 2,710    4,570 80 years and 6% discount rate**) https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/64f9d0036cb97160cc26feba/64f9d0036cb97160cc2712aa_IFPSH%20-%20PSH%20Capabilities%20and%20Costs_15%20Sept.pdf

This big a battery.

250/500 MWh.

How do you think Canberra's going to stay off the grid?

---

Canberra is not off the grid.

Every night they rely on Other states burning coal and gas to keep the lights on.

This creates carbon dioxide and warms the planet.

A warmer planet with more CO2 results in more rapid plant growth.

We are seeing just that.

A greener planet with better rainfall , more crops and a draw down on atmospheric carbon.

We call this a cycle.

It's a cycle because mother nature knows how to recycle.

Fight mother nature and you lose, but only 100 % of the time.

Just stop with the wind farm grift and the battery grift.

They are useless as titties on a bull

The legless green energy transition
Rafe Champion

Think of wind, solar, and batteries as the three legs of a stool supporting the Net Zero transition program.

The Labour governments of Australia, state and federal, are desperately accelerating the progress of these facilities to achieve legislated targets, with an undisclosed amount of money devoted to the Federal Capacity Investment Scheme and $34bn in NSW allocated to a newly created Investment Delivery Authority.

Apparently, nothing has been learned from the failed energy transition in Germany which was dead in the water in 2018 when an official review revealed that the Energiewende was failing on the three sides of the energy policy triangle; affordability, security, and emission-reduction.

Still, the Germans persisted with major offshore wind developments despite the serious wind droughts or dunkelflautes regularly recorded on oil and gas platforms in the North Sea for 60 years. Britain also went for North Sea wind, now both of these once-proud industrial nations are rapidly losing their power-intensive industries to China and the US.

Around the Western world, the Net Zero obsession has consumed trillions of dollars and everywhere the results are the same. Power is more expensive and less secure while catastrophic harm is being inflicted on forests and farmlands, with a looming tsunami of toxic junk when the facilities wear out.

In view of the amount of damage caused by the failing transition, it is surprisingly easy to explain why the three-legged Net Zero ‘stool’ will not stand up. Maybe the Coalition will get around to it sometime…

The solar leg fails every night. Without coal, power in the night will have to come from wind, plus some hydro and biomass, and very expensive gas, and batteries.

The wind fails during severe wind droughts when there is very little wind over the whole of SE Australia for periods up to three days and nights.

You might say, ‘What about battery and pumped hydro storage?’ You have got to be joking!


Look at Snowy 2.0. Malcolm Turnbull’s signature program has blown out from $5 billion to 20 billion (or more) with no end in sight.

As for batteries, Bill Gates is a student of storage technology, and even he blows up when he hears the word batteries because they are several orders of magnitude too small for the assignment.

Words of wisdom Frank.

And who gives a toss about a degree or two of warming.

Melbourne ends up a bit more like Sydney.

Sounds like something we should embrace.

The whole of Greenland becomes farmland.

Sounds like something we should embrace.

Northern Australia become more filled with rainforest and jungle.

Sounds like something we should embrace

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 8:48am:

Canberra is not off the grid. Every night they rely on Other states burning coal and gas to keep the lights on. This creates carbon dioxide and warms the planet. A warmer planet with more CO2 results in more rapid plant growth. We are seeing just that. A greener planet with better rainfall , more crops and a draw down on atmospheric carbon. We call this a cycle. It's a cycle because mother nature knows how to recycle. Fight mother nature and you lose, but only 100 % of the time. Just stop with the wind farm grift and the battery grift. They are useless as titties on a bull

The exact opposite of what you say is occurring, as ever.

The Amazon is seeing an average 2.7 million hectares of forest lost each and every year.

Borneo has experienced 1.3 million hectares.

That's 12% of the world's source of oxygen removed in the past 20 years.

Mother nature is compensating by heating up. This is causing 177–266 Gt (gigatonnes) of polar ice melts in Greenland, with Antarctica losing 57–150 Gt annually.

That's excluding glacial melts all over the world - the Himalayas, the Andes, the Swiss Alps, all of which are starting to collapse, causing landslides, devastation, and in Monsoon season, disasters each and every year.

The melting ice compounds the effect of deforestation, the earth absorbing more solar radiation, causing heat. Plants don't just pop up in Greenland/Antarctica. Rainforests don't just grow back.

Palm oil plantations and grazing land in Borneo and the Amazon don't replace the oxygen created by rainforests.

In the past two decades, the temperature has risen 1.2 degrees. This is only an average. In some regions, it's hitting 40 to 50 degrees, rendering them increasingly uninhabitable. The average global temperature rise will hit 2 degrees in the next five to ten years, no one even contests this.

After that, the tipping point effects really start to kick in, and no one even knows what this will do. Glacial melts in the Himalayas can cause tectonic shifts, leading to earthquakes and tsunamis.

Alpine areas are experiencing landslides each and every year, destroying mountain roads and villages through flooding and rockfalls.

Coastal areas are starting to feel the impact of sea rises. We already have a deal to resettle the citizens of Tuvalu. Australian East Coast beachfront properties can't get insurance. Shanty towns all over Indonesia, Sri Lanka and other coastal areas are being pulled down.

This is happening now. We can't stop the pending consequences of global warming - the temperature rise, melting glaciers, landslides and rising seas. We can stop emitting CO2. It's the easiest fix of all.

And slowly slowly, we're doing it. 72% renewable electricity in South Australia, 100% in the ACT. This shift is no different to the rollout of power lines in the early 20th century - no different to switching from gas to electric lighting in the 19th century. Our rooftops themselves hold immense potential. Community battery schemes in towns like Yackandandah (VIC), Walpole (WA) and various small towns in NSW are getting communities off the grid entirely.

Your solution - fibs - is no longer an option. People aren't buying them anymore. The effects of global warming are too obvious to ignore.

Australians overwhelmingly support the transition to renewable energy. This one issue alone has caused the electoral downfall of Australia's main conservative party. Australians want action. Our sunshine, wealth, our service economy and small population puts us in one of the best positions in the world to do the job.

So, before you move onto your next lie, know this. Making stuff up doesn't work. It doesn't endear you with the people you're virtue signalling to, it just makes you sound (sic) redeculous.

Why must the left lie?

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 9:07am:

The legless green energy transition Rafe Champion Think of wind, solar, and batteries as the three legs of a stool supporting the Net Zero transition program. The Labour governments of Australia, state and federal, are desperately accelerating the progress of these facilities to achieve legislated targets, with an undisclosed amount of money devoted to the Federal Capacity Investment Scheme and $34bn in NSW allocated to a newly created Investment Delivery Authority. Apparently, nothing has been learned from the failed energy transition in Germany which was dead in the water in 2018 when an official review revealed that the Energiewende was failing on the three sides of the energy policy triangle; affordability, security, and emission-reduction. Still, the Germans persisted with major offshore wind developments despite the serious wind droughts or dunkelflautes regularly recorded on oil and gas platforms in the North Sea for 60 years. Britain also went for North Sea wind, now both of these once-proud industrial nations are rapidly losing their power-intensive industries to China and the US. Around the Western world, the Net Zero obsession has consumed trillions of dollars and everywhere the results are the same. Power is more expensive and less secure while catastrophic harm is being inflicted on forests and farmlands, with a looming tsunami of toxic junk when the facilities wear out. In view of the amount of damage caused by the failing transition, it is surprisingly easy to explain why the three-legged Net Zero ‘stool’ will not stand up. Maybe the Coalition will get around to it sometime… The solar leg fails every night. Without coal, power in the night will have to come from wind, plus some hydro and biomass, and very expensive gas, and batteries. The wind fails during severe wind droughts when there is very little wind over the whole of SE Australia for periods up to three days and nights. You might say, ‘What about battery and pumped hydro storage?’ You have got to be joking! Look at Snowy 2.0. Malcolm Turnbull’s signature program has blown out from $5 billion to 20 billion (or more) with no end in sight. As for batteries, Bill Gates is a student of storage technology, and even he blows up when he hears the word batteries because they are several orders of magnitude too small for the assignment.

How's wonderful wonderful Copenhagen going, dear boy?

Do you still like Danish?

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 5:29pm:

Quote: Everything you claim is practically the exact opposite in truth. It must be so frustrating for you to know this but not be able to produce the evidence.

You & evidence?  ;D

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 5:44pm:

FD, Quote: It is not possible to store solar power generated during the day to use at night Yes it is - just used pumped hydro storage - the water is pumped uphill and released later to drive electric turbines.

What source of energy is used to power the pumps to pump it uphill?  ;D

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 6:00pm:

You can make a battery as big as you want Bobby. There is no limit. And for daily cycles, it is cheaper than pumped hydro. Pumped hydro has limits on dam size etc. And the environmental issues from pumping saltwater inland would be a nightmare. We have plenty of freshwater options.

Cost & area required are the limits. ::)

.. then there is the national security aspect..... and I've pretty much sold on the invasion of environment to create this fantasy renewables thing that lasts twentyyears - and nuclear at actual less start-up lasts three time as long and more.

Keep a close eye on the figures - I've put them up before.

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 6:26pm:

Poor FD, taking so many things out of context. one example - freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 5:20pm: Renewable energy has a greater environmental cost than fossil fuels: lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 5:05pm: freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:54pm: The fact that wind and solar are cheaper than coal and nuclear by more than a factor of 2 and 3 is based on the actual costs and amounts generated. As long as you disregard environmental costs. Less than 0.1 acre per MW of natural gas plant, 5.79 acres per MW of solar panels. ;). No example given of the environmental cost of fossil fuels. Environmental costs which would have to be added to the cost of solar panels.

What have I taken out of context in that example?

Hay karmal,   sea levels can't rise in indonesia resulting in beachfront towns being relocated AND NOT RISE EVERYWHERE


We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014.

How did that work out  ;D ;D

Frank wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 7:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 7:16pm: lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 7:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 6:55pm: what about the cost of concrete as used in the bases of wind turbines? And replacement of them will be worse. As the turbines get bigger, the footings need to be bigger, so they can't be re-used. It makes you wonder if wind turbines are a net loss in energy?   :-/ Wind turbines are profitable for the makers. Not the users. Solar panels ditto. EVs ditto.

Thanks Frank, Another good example of the gullibility of climate sceptics.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:08pm:

We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. How did that work out  ;D ;D

I don't.

Gnads wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 11:36am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 5:44pm: FD, Quote: It is not possible to store solar power generated during the day to use at night Yes it is - just used pumped hydro storage - the water is pumped uphill and released later to drive electric turbines. What source of energy is used to power the pumps to pump it uphill?  ;D

Read what is says Gnads - you can pumped hydro to store solar power.

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 9:07am:

The legless green energy transition Rafe Champion Think of wind, solar, and batteries as the three legs of a stool supporting the Net Zero transition program. The Labour governments of Australia, state and federal, are desperately accelerating the progress of these facilities to achieve legislated targets, with an undisclosed amount of money devoted to the Federal Capacity Investment Scheme and $34bn in NSW allocated to a newly created Investment Delivery Authority. Apparently, nothing has been learned from the failed energy transition in Germany which was dead in the water in 2018 when an official review revealed that the Energiewende was failing on the three sides of the energy policy triangle; affordability, security, and emission-reduction. Still, the Germans persisted with major offshore wind developments despite the serious wind droughts or dunkelflautes regularly recorded on oil and gas platforms in the North Sea for 60 years. Britain also went for North Sea wind, now both of these once-proud industrial nations are rapidly losing their power-intensive industries to China and the US. Around the Western world, the Net Zero obsession has consumed trillions of dollars and everywhere the results are the same. Power is more expensive and less secure while catastrophic harm is being inflicted on forests and farmlands, with a looming tsunami of toxic junk when the facilities wear out. In view of the amount of damage caused by the failing transition, it is surprisingly easy to explain why the three-legged Net Zero ‘stool’ will not stand up. Maybe the Coalition will get around to it sometime… The solar leg fails every night. Without coal, power in the night will have to come from wind, plus some hydro and biomass, and very expensive gas, and batteries. The wind fails during severe wind droughts when there is very little wind over the whole of SE Australia for periods up to three days and nights. You might say, ‘What about battery and pumped hydro storage?’ You have got to be joking! Look at Snowy 2.0. Malcolm Turnbull’s signature program has blown out from $5 billion to 20 billion (or more) with no end in sight. As for batteries, Bill Gates is a student of storage technology, and even he blows up when he hears the word batteries because they are several orders of magnitude too small for the assignment.

Pretty stupid analogy.

Gnads wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 11:35am:

freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 5:29pm: Quote: Everything you claim is practically the exact opposite in truth. It must be so frustrating for you to know this but not be able to produce the evidence. You & evidence?  ;D

Do you realise I was quoting other people, as examples of the idiotic things that climate "sceptics" believe. Of course there is no evidence to back it up.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 8:12am:

lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 6:10pm: freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 6:00pm: You can make a battery as big as you want Bobby. There is no limit. And for daily cycles, it is cheaper than pumped hydro. How big a battery? $125 -$334 per MWh. At what cost? Not according to this -                                                               Pumped   LFP USD/kW based on PSH life of                 2,710    4,570 80 years and 6% discount rate**) https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/64f9d0036cb97160cc26feba/64f9d0036cb97160cc2712aa_IFPSH%20-%20PSH%20Capabilities%20and%20Costs_15%20Sept.pdf This big a battery. 250/500 MWh. How do you think Canberra's going to stay off the grid?

Ah Waratah, NSW. So the ACT must be connected to the grid.

And 500MWh? NSW and ACT use 1,447.9 PJ of power a year.That converts to 402,194 GWh daily on average or 1101 GWh daily. Or 1,101,000MWh. and that equals 0.27 of a minute or 1.6 seconds. ::)

I know large number confuse you.

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:10pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. How did that work out  ;D ;D I don't.

 


6 metres.  :D :D.


Only out by a factor of -
1000.



2006 documentary An Inconvenient Truth.

Gore said that if major ice sheets such as Greenland or West Antarctica collapsed, global sea level could rise about 20 feet (≈6 meters). �
mediamatters.org +1
In the film he described a ~20-foot rise as a possible outcome from large-scale melting of those ice sheets and showed maps of what coastlines would look like. �

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 10:18am:

The Amazon is seeing an average 2.7 million hectares of forest lost each and every year.

And how many square Km did they remove for the COP talkfest?


Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 10:18am:

That's 12% of the world's source of oxygen removed in the past 20 years.

Ah now you think trees are the only things to make oxygen. ::)

You have to quantify all sources of oxygen and then work out the ratio. ;)


Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 10:18am:

This is causing 177–266 Gt (gigatonnes) of polar ice melts in Greenland, with Antarctica losing 57–150 Gt annually.

I know large number confuse you. How about talking the amount of ice loss as a percentage, to get some clarity. And it is Cyclic. WE, both you and I and the scientific community know the ice volume from 100 years ago. ::)

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:06pm:

What have I taken out of context in that example?

You have given only half a side of one equation and nothing of the other side. ::)

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:12pm:

you can pumped hydro to store solar power.

Provided you have the solar power at the time it is needed.  Timing is important in all things, motor vehicles etc. ;)

lee wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 2:02pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 8:12am: lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 6:10pm: freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 6:00pm: You can make a battery as big as you want Bobby. There is no limit. And for daily cycles, it is cheaper than pumped hydro. How big a battery? $125 -$334 per MWh. At what cost? Not according to this -                                                               Pumped   LFP USD/kW based on PSH life of                 2,710    4,570 80 years and 6% discount rate**) https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/64f9d0036cb97160cc26feba/64f9d0036cb97160cc2712aa_IFPSH%20-%20PSH%20Capabilities%20and%20Costs_15%20Sept.pdf This big a battery. 250/500 MWh. How do you think Canberra's going to stay off the grid? Ah Waratah, NSW. So the ACT must be connected to the grid. And 500MWh? NSW and ACT use 1,447.9 PJ of power a year.That converts to 402,194 GWh daily on average or 1101 GWh daily. Or 1,101,000MWh. and that equals 0.27 of a minute or 1.6 seconds. ::) I know large number confuse you.

You've gone from claiming renewable electricity doesn't exist in Australia to saying we don't have enough.

Why must the left lie?

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:15pm:

Of course there is no evidence to back it up.

Yep there is no evidence to back up what you believe. ;D ;D ;D ;D

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:08pm:

Hay karmal,   sea levels can't rise in indonesia resulting in beachfront towns being relocated AND NOT RISE EVERYWHERE We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. How did that work out  ;D ;D

I'm not sure, dear. Can you post it for us?

Cheers.

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:10pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. How did that work out  ;D ;D I don't.

https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2017/BSS177/um/Gore_Inconvient_Truth_Transcript.pdf


NASA even added this map, so children on the Gulf Coast could imagine their homes under the waves:

https://capitalresearch.org/app/uploads/Rising-seas.jpg
Sea Level plus 20 Feet. Credit: NASA Climate Kids.

And yet, from January 1993 through January 2025, NASA’s satellites have captured a cumulative sea level increase of . . . four inches. The current rate of increase, according to NASA, is 0.17 inches per year.

That’s the thickness of three pennies stacked atop each other.

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 5:00pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:10pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. How did that work out  ;D ;D I don't. https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2017/BSS177/um/Gore_Inconvient_Truth_Transcript.pdf NASA even added this map, so children on the Gulf Coast could imagine their homes under the waves: https://capitalresearch.org/app/uploads/Rising-seas.jpg Sea Level plus 20 Feet. Credit: NASA Climate Kids. And yet, from January 1993 through January 2025, NASA’s satellites have captured a cumulative sea level increase of . . . four inches. The current rate of increase, according to NASA, is 0.17 inches per year. That’s the thickness of three pennies stacked atop each other.

Where did Al Gore reference that?

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 5:03pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:10pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. How did that work out  ;D ;D I don't. https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2017/BSS177/um/Gore_Inconvient_Truth_Transcript.pdf NASA even added this map, so children on the Gulf Coast could imagine their homes under the waves: https://capitalresearch.org/app/uploads/Rising-seas.jpg Sea Level plus 20 Feet. Credit: NASA Climate Kids. And yet, from January 1993 through January 2025, NASA’s satellites have captured a cumulative sea level increase of . . . four inches. The current rate of increase, according to NASA, is 0.17 inches per year. That’s the thickness of three pennies stacked atop each other. Where did Al Gore reference that?

Read the transcript, babbling grimacer. I posted it for you.

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 5:04pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:03pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:10pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. How did that work out  ;D ;D I don't. https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2017/BSS177/um/Gore_Inconvient_Truth_Transcript.pdf NASA even added this map, so children on the Gulf Coast could imagine their homes under the waves: https://capitalresearch.org/app/uploads/Rising-seas.jpg Sea Level plus 20 Feet. Credit: NASA Climate Kids. And yet, from January 1993 through January 2025, NASA’s satellites have captured a cumulative sea level increase of . . . four inches. The current rate of increase, according to NASA, is 0.17 inches per year. That’s the thickness of three pennies stacked atop each other. Where did Al Gore reference that? Read the transcript, babbling grimacer. I posted it for you.

I have. Where is it in your transcript, you decrepit old liar?

Oh look - he's gone.

"I’m Al Gore. I used to be the next president of the United States. [laughter and applause from audience] I don’t find that
particularly funny"


...

" So if the ocean gets warmer, it has an impact on it. If this were to go, sea levels worldwide would go up 20 feet"

https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2017/BSS177/um/Gore_Inconvient_Truth_Transcript.pdf

Or this -

"So instead, he showed the consequences of a wildly hypothetical 20-foot increase in sea level. This was done with an alarmist video showing Manhattan, most of Florida, Beijing, Shanghai, and many other regions being submerged under the waves.

At the current rate of sea level increase, it will take 1,800 years for the ocean to go up another 20 feet."


https://capitalresearch.org/article/al-gores-30-years-of-climate-errors-part-3/

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 5:30pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:04pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:03pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:10pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. How did that work out  ;D ;D I don't. https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2017/BSS177/um/Gore_Inconvient_Truth_Transcript.pdf NASA even added this map, so children on the Gulf Coast could imagine their homes under the waves: https://capitalresearch.org/app/uploads/Rising-seas.jpg Sea Level plus 20 Feet. Credit: NASA Climate Kids. And yet, from January 1993 through January 2025, NASA’s satellites have captured a cumulative sea level increase of . . . four inches. The current rate of increase, according to NASA, is 0.17 inches per year. That’s the thickness of three pennies stacked atop each other. Where did Al Gore reference that? Read the transcript, babbling grimacer. I posted it for you. I have. Where is it in your transcript, you decrepit old liar?

No you havent, illiterate decrepit old sniffer. Of course you havent.

"Where's Florida mentioned in the transcript?? Nurse!"

That's you, wrecked, relapsed, seeping old Sydney Push relic.

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 7:04pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:30pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:04pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:03pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:10pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. How did that work out  ;D ;D I don't. https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2017/BSS177/um/Gore_Inconvient_Truth_Transcript.pdf NASA even added this map, so children on the Gulf Coast could imagine their homes under the waves: https://capitalresearch.org/app/uploads/Rising-seas.jpg Sea Level plus 20 Feet. Credit: NASA Climate Kids. And yet, from January 1993 through January 2025, NASA’s satellites have captured a cumulative sea level increase of . . . four inches. The current rate of increase, according to NASA, is 0.17 inches per year. That’s the thickness of three pennies stacked atop each other. Where did Al Gore reference that? Read the transcript, babbling grimacer. I posted it for you. I have. Where is it in your transcript, you decrepit old liar? No you havent, illiterate decrepit old sniffer. Of course you havent. "Where's Florida mentioned in the transcript?? Nurse!" That's you, wrecked, relapsed, seeping old Sydney Push relic.

Your mendacious climate map - referenced by your equine fetishist friend - is nowhere in your transcript.

This is why you refuse to post a reference, you tendentious old fool.

You deliberately lie, it's what you do.

You feel entitled to do so. Ask your equine friend.

Here is Al Gore's video. With him explaining it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XxV9TOCdIY

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 7:38pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 7:04pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:30pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:04pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:03pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:10pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. How did that work out  ;D ;D I don't. https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2017/BSS177/um/Gore_Inconvient_Truth_Transcript.pdf NASA even added this map, so children on the Gulf Coast could imagine their homes under the waves: https://capitalresearch.org/app/uploads/Rising-seas.jpg Sea Level plus 20 Feet. Credit: NASA Climate Kids. And yet, from January 1993 through January 2025, NASA’s satellites have captured a cumulative sea level increase of . . . four inches. The current rate of increase, according to NASA, is 0.17 inches per year. That’s the thickness of three pennies stacked atop each other. Where did Al Gore reference that? Read the transcript, babbling grimacer. I posted it for you. I have. Where is it in your transcript, you decrepit old liar? No you havent, illiterate decrepit old sniffer. Of course you havent. "Where's Florida mentioned in the transcript?? Nurse!" That's you, wrecked, relapsed, seeping old Sydney Push relic. Your mendacious climate map - referenced by your equine fetishist friend - is nowhere in your transcript. This is why you refuse to post a reference, you tendentious old fool. You deliberately lie, it's what you do. You feel entitled to do so. Ask your equine friend.

Stop the arse sniffing, grimacing old pakistani.


I can see why the Sydney Push, puffed out.

you.

lee wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 8:10pm:

Here is Al Gore's video. With him explaining it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XxV9TOCdIY

Karnal no speaka.
No arses, no comprende.

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 9:16pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 7:38pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 7:04pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:30pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:04pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:03pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:10pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. How did that work out  ;D ;D I don't. https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2017/BSS177/um/Gore_Inconvient_Truth_Transcript.pdf NASA even added this map, so children on the Gulf Coast could imagine their homes under the waves: https://capitalresearch.org/app/uploads/Rising-seas.jpg Sea Level plus 20 Feet. Credit: NASA Climate Kids. And yet, from January 1993 through January 2025, NASA’s satellites have captured a cumulative sea level increase of . . . four inches. The current rate of increase, according to NASA, is 0.17 inches per year. That’s the thickness of three pennies stacked atop each other. Where did Al Gore reference that? Read the transcript, babbling grimacer. I posted it for you. I have. Where is it in your transcript, you decrepit old liar? No you havent, illiterate decrepit old sniffer. Of course you havent. "Where's Florida mentioned in the transcript?? Nurse!" That's you, wrecked, relapsed, seeping old Sydney Push relic. Your mendacious climate map - referenced by your equine fetishist friend - is nowhere in your transcript. This is why you refuse to post a reference, you tendentious old fool. You deliberately lie, it's what you do. You feel entitled to do so. Ask your equine friend. Stop the arse sniffing, grimacing old pakistani. I can see why the Sydney Push, puffed out. you.

So post it. Show us now.

No speaka?

You're done.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 9:23pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 9:16pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 7:38pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 7:04pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:30pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:04pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:03pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:10pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. How did that work out  ;D ;D I don't. https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2017/BSS177/um/Gore_Inconvient_Truth_Transcript.pdf NASA even added this map, so children on the Gulf Coast could imagine their homes under the waves: https://capitalresearch.org/app/uploads/Rising-seas.jpg Sea Level plus 20 Feet. Credit: NASA Climate Kids. And yet, from January 1993 through January 2025, NASA’s satellites have captured a cumulative sea level increase of . . . four inches. The current rate of increase, according to NASA, is 0.17 inches per year. That’s the thickness of three pennies stacked atop each other. Where did Al Gore reference that? Read the transcript, babbling grimacer. I posted it for you. I have. Where is it in your transcript, you decrepit old liar? No you havent, illiterate decrepit old sniffer. Of course you havent. "Where's Florida mentioned in the transcript?? Nurse!" That's you, wrecked, relapsed, seeping old Sydney Push relic. Your mendacious climate map - referenced by your equine fetishist friend - is nowhere in your transcript. This is why you refuse to post a reference, you tendentious old fool. You deliberately lie, it's what you do. You feel entitled to do so. Ask your equine friend. Stop the arse sniffing, grimacing old pakistani. I can see why the Sydney Push, puffed out. you. So post it. Show us now. No speaka? You're done.

It's there, posted, blind as a bat arse bandit.

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 9:28pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 9:23pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 9:16pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 7:38pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 7:04pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:30pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:04pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:03pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:10pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. How did that work out  ;D ;D I don't. https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2017/BSS177/um/Gore_Inconvient_Truth_Transcript.pdf NASA even added this map, so children on the Gulf Coast could imagine their homes under the waves: https://capitalresearch.org/app/uploads/Rising-seas.jpg Sea Level plus 20 Feet. Credit: NASA Climate Kids. And yet, from January 1993 through January 2025, NASA’s satellites have captured a cumulative sea level increase of . . . four inches. The current rate of increase, according to NASA, is 0.17 inches per year. That’s the thickness of three pennies stacked atop each other. Where did Al Gore reference that? Read the transcript, babbling grimacer. I posted it for you. I have. Where is it in your transcript, you decrepit old liar? No you havent, illiterate decrepit old sniffer. Of course you havent. "Where's Florida mentioned in the transcript?? Nurse!" That's you, wrecked, relapsed, seeping old Sydney Push relic. Your mendacious climate map - referenced by your equine fetishist friend - is nowhere in your transcript. This is why you refuse to post a reference, you tendentious old fool. You deliberately lie, it's what you do. You feel entitled to do so. Ask your equine friend. Stop the arse sniffing, grimacing old pakistani. I can see why the Sydney Push, puffed out. you. So post it. Show us now. No speaka? You're done. It's there, posted, blind as a bat arse bandit.

There he goes, see you later.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 2:06pm:

Gore said that if major ice sheets such as Greenland or West Antarctica collapsed, global sea level could rise about 20 feet (≈6 meters).  mediamatters.org +1 In the film he described a ~20-foot rise as a possible outcome from large-scale melting of those ice sheets and showed maps of what coastlines would look like.

Do you disagree with either of those statements?

And where is this map that "everyone remembers" showing Florida copletely under water? Do you actually believe that, or are you just being a gullible climate "sceptic"? Is it hidden in the transcript?

Do you even remember it yourself, or did you just believe whatever idiotic slogans appear on your facebook feed?


lee wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 2:11pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:06pm: What have I taken out of context in that example? You have given only half a side of one equation and nothing of the other side. ::)

You are falling back on dribbling incoherently Lee, like a climate sceptic. What did I take out of context, and did it misrepresent what was said in any way?


lee wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 2:13pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:12pm: you can pumped hydro to store solar power. Provided you have the solar power at the time it is needed.  Timing is important in all things, motor vehicles etc. ;)

Yes Lee. Pumped Hydro is a type of battery. Welcome to the 21st century. Actually we had them early in the last century, to deal with the fact that coal fired power stations are not sufficiently dispatchable to match demand patterns.

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 7:34am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:06pm: Gore said that if major ice sheets such as Greenland or West Antarctica collapsed, global sea level could rise about 20 feet (≈6 meters).  mediamatters.org +1 In the film he described a ~20-foot rise as a possible outcome from large-scale melting of those ice sheets and showed maps of what coastlines would look like.  Do you disagree with either of those statements? And where is this map that "everyone remembers" showing Florida copletely under water? Do you actually believe that, or are you just being a gullible climate "sceptic"? Is it hidden in the transcript? Do you even remember it yourself, or did you just believe whatever idiotic slogans appear on your facebook feed? lee wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:11pm: freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:06pm: What have I taken out of context in that example? You have given only half a side of one equation and nothing of the other side. ::) You are falling back on dribbling incoherently Lee, like a climate sceptic. What did I take out of context, and did it misrepresent what was said in any way? lee wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:13pm: freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:12pm: you can pumped hydro to store solar power. Provided you have the solar power at the time it is needed.  Timing is important in all things, motor vehicles etc. ;) Yes Lee. Pumped Hydro is a type of battery. Welcome to the 21st century. Actually we had them early in the last century, to deal with the fact that coal fired power stations are not sufficiently dispatchable to match demand patterns.

Are you denying that gore, a man who almost got to the white house, made a film where he told the younger generations,  the impressionable Greta types that a 6 m sea level rise was something we must worry about and that it would cover most of Florida? Followed by a map of the coastline of Florida and Manhattan.

Are you denying that he was out by a factor of 1000.

Are you denying Tim flannery Australian of the year said the inland of Australia would become progressively drier over the next 2 decades.
2 decades which have been wetter.

Are you denying the ACT uses electricity made by fossil fuels at night as does south Australia and the lights would go out without coal and oil.

Are you denying China has energy generation that results in prices about 1/4 of Australia whilst building a new coal plant every fortnight.

I think you need a dose of climate scepticism  :D :D

I am sceptical. I am asking for the "map we all remember" that shows Florida completely under water by 2014. Where is it? Do you actually remember the map, or do you merely believe every idiotic claim that comes across your facebook feed?

Not sure what is so complicated about that. It seems like a simple enough question to me. Not something you need to spend pages and pages tapdancing around. It does not make you look any less gullible.

Here it is again:


aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:08pm:

We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014.

Hi freediver.

How's the scepticism going.

Like you and karmal think the ACT is run fully by renewables.

Here's your map.

Scarey stuff if you are a gullible child like Greta

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Is the green bit supposed to be under water in that map Scoot?

Can you point out the bit that says it is a prediction for 2014?

Or were you being just a little bit gullible?

Did you actually remember it yourself, or do you merely believe every idiotic claim that comes across your facebook feed?


aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:08pm:

We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014.

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 10:23am:

Is the green bit supposed to be under water in that map Scoot? Can you point out the bit that says it is a prediction for 2014? Or were you being just a little bit gullible? Did you actually remember it yourself, or do you merely believe every idiotic claim that comes across your facebook feed? aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014.

Hi there freediver. Do you think the claim that we might be facing a 6 m sea level rise was idiotic.

Do you just believe every idiotic claim

Do you think the ACT saying they are not using fossil fuels is idiotic.

Do you just believe every idiotic claim.

You are welcome to your truth.
As I say we live in a post truth world.
If the elites claiming sea level will rise _6metres helps them monetise climate change and make more cash by scaring stupid people, more power to them.
They are within their rights to rip off the useful idiots  ;)

Scoot, do you still believe that the map shows Florida completely underwater by 2014?

The only idiotic claims I see here come from you and the other climate "sceptics".

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 11:51am:

The only idiotic claims I see here come from you and the other climate "sceptics".

So you believe renewables have a higher environmental cost that fossil fuels. Goodo. ;)

How about you Lee. Do you believe the map shows Florida completely underwater by 2014?


lee wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 12:34pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 11:51am: The only idiotic claims I see here come from you and the other climate "sceptics". So you believe renewables have a higher environmental cost that fossil fuels. Goodo. ;)

You are very easily convinced Lee. Gullible even.

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 12:39pm:

You are very easily convinced Lee. Gullible even.

So you don't want to say either way, eh.?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I want to point out the gullibility of clime 'sceptics'. Hence the thread title: the gullibility of climate 'sceptics'

Do you also believe the map shows Florida completely underwater by 2014?

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 7:34am:

Actually we had them early in the last century, to deal with the fact that coal fired power stations are not sufficiently dispatchable to match demand patterns.

Nope. we had them early in the last century but they were overtaken by fossil fuels. They were better at it. We didn't run out of water. ;)

They couldn't meet demand. And they don't now, they are a battery type, but they still only provide back up. ;)

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 12:54pm:

I want to point out the gullibility of clime 'sceptics'. Hence the thread title: the gullibility of climate 'sceptics'

And yet you haven't backed up your assertions with proof. 8-)

lee wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 1:00pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 7:34am: Yes Lee. Pumped Hydro is a type of battery. Welcome to the 21st century. Actually we had them early in the last century, to deal with the fact that coal fired power stations are not sufficiently dispatchable to match demand patterns. Nope. we had them early in the last century but they were overtaken by fossil fuels. They were better at it. We didn't run out of water. ;) They couldn't meet demand. And they don't now, they are a battery type, but they still only provide back up. ;)

:o

What powered the pumped hydro stations prior to fossil fuels Lee?


Quote:

And yet you haven't backed up your assertions with proof.

I present to you, this thread.

Do you also believe the map shows Florida completely underwater by 2014?

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 8:44am:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 7:34am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:06pm: Gore said that if major ice sheets such as Greenland or West Antarctica collapsed, global sea level could rise about 20 feet (≈6 meters).  mediamatters.org +1 In the film he described a ~20-foot rise as a possible outcome from large-scale melting of those ice sheets and showed maps of what coastlines would look like.  Do you disagree with either of those statements? And where is this map that "everyone remembers" showing Florida copletely under water? Do you actually believe that, or are you just being a gullible climate "sceptic"? Is it hidden in the transcript? Do you even remember it yourself, or did you just believe whatever idiotic slogans appear on your facebook feed? lee wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:11pm: freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:06pm: What have I taken out of context in that example? You have given only half a side of one equation and nothing of the other side. ::) You are falling back on dribbling incoherently Lee, like a climate sceptic. What did I take out of context, and did it misrepresent what was said in any way? lee wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:13pm: freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:12pm: you can pumped hydro to store solar power. Provided you have the solar power at the time it is needed.  Timing is important in all things, motor vehicles etc. ;) Yes Lee. Pumped Hydro is a type of battery. Welcome to the 21st century. Actually we had them early in the last century, to deal with the fact that coal fired power stations are not sufficiently dispatchable to match demand patterns. Are you denying that gore, a man who almost got to the white house, made a film where he told the younger generations,  the impressionable Greta types that a 6 m sea level rise was something we must worry about and that it would cover most of Florida? Followed by a map of the coastline of Florida and Manhattan. Are you denying that he was out by a factor of 1000. Are you denying Tim flannery Australian of the year said the inland of Australia would become progressively drier over the next 2 decades. 2 decades which have been wetter. Are you denying the ACT uses electricity made by fossil fuels at night as does south Australia and the lights would go out without coal and oil. Are you denying China has energy generation that results in prices about 1/4 of Australia whilst building a new coal plant every fortnight. I think you need a dose of climate scepticism  :D :D

No, dear, we're after your map of map of the coastline of Florida, which you've neglected to source.

Link, please.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 10:19am:

Hi freediver. How's the scepticism going. Like you and karmal think the ACT is run fully by renewables. Here's your map. Scarey stuff if you are a gullible child like Greta

Sorry, when did Al Gore reference a postcard?

We'll need a time and date. Chop chop.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 11:45am:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 10:23am: Is the green bit supposed to be under water in that map Scoot? Can you point out the bit that says it is a prediction for 2014? Or were you being just a little bit gullible? Did you actually remember it yourself, or do you merely believe every idiotic claim that comes across your facebook feed? aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. Hi there freediver. Do you think the claim that we might be facing a 6 m sea level rise was idiotic. Do you just believe every idiotic claim Do you think the ACT saying they are not using fossil fuels is idiotic. Do you just believe every idiotic claim. You are welcome to your truth. As I say we live in a post truth world. If the elites claiming sea level will rise _6metres helps them monetise climate change and make more cash by scaring stupid people, more power to them. They are within their rights to rip off the useful idiots  ;)

I'm not seeing a question mark here, dear. Are you making this claim?

I'd suggest it's a little idiotic to say the ACT said that.

Some would call it a lie.

You?

lee wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 1:01pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 12:54pm: I want to point out the gullibility of clime 'sceptics'. Hence the thread title: the gullibility of climate 'sceptics' And yet you haven't backed up your assertions with proof. 8-)

He's right, FD. To date, you have not proven the gullibility of climate "sceptics".

The only thing proven in this thread is their willingness to deceive, back up their claims with lies, and run off.

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 1:04pm:

What powered the pumped hydro stations prior to fossil fuels Lee?

How big was it? And how was it powered? Was it boiler driven? Boiler pumps have been around for centuries, fossil fuelled centrifugal pumps only since the early 1900's.


freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 1:04pm:

I present to you, this thread.

Which carries more of your assertions than known facts. See above. ;)

I am asking you Lee.


lee wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 1:00pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 7:34am: Yes Lee. Pumped Hydro is a type of battery. Welcome to the 21st century. Actually we had them early in the last century, to deal with the fact that coal fired power stations are not sufficiently dispatchable to match demand patterns. Nope. we had them early in the last century but they were overtaken by fossil fuels. They were better at it. We didn't run out of water. ;) They couldn't meet demand. And they don't now, they are a battery type, but they still only provide back up. ;)

:o

What powered the pumped hydro stations prior to fossil fuels Lee?

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 7:34am:

Pumped Hydro is a type of battery. Welcome to the 21st century.

Coal, oil are a kind of solar energy battery.

Frank wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 2:21pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 7:34am: Pumped Hydro is a type of battery. Welcome to the 21st century. Coal, oil are a kind of solar energy battery.

Which brings us back to doe.

What have you got against coal and oil, FD?

Not wacist, are you?

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 1:53pm:

I am asking you Lee. lee wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 1:00pm: freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 7:34am: Yes Lee. Pumped Hydro is a type of battery. Welcome to the 21st century. Actually we had them early in the last century, to deal with the fact that coal fired power stations are not sufficiently dispatchable to match demand patterns. Nope. we had them early in the last century but they were overtaken by fossil fuels. They were better at it. We didn't run out of water. ;) They couldn't meet demand. And they don't now, they are a battery type, but they still only provide back up. ;) :o What powered the pumped hydro stations prior to fossil fuels Lee?

And when you're done with that, what powered the hand cars?

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freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 1:53pm:

What powered the pumped hydro stations prior to fossil fuels Lee?

I can't give a definitive answer. Perhaps you can tell us how the slaves carried it up the hill in buckets. ;D ;D ;D ;D

But boilers burned wood to create steam, as well as coal. Wood is not a fossil fuel, but a precursor to fossil fuel. ;)

lee wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 4:13pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 1:53pm: What powered the pumped hydro stations prior to fossil fuels Lee? I can't give a definitive answer. Perhaps you can tell us how the slaves carried it up the hill in buckets. ;D ;D ;D ;D But boilers burned wood to create steam, as well as coal. Wood is not a fossil fuel, but a precursor to fossil fuel. ;)

But it's a 'kinda' battery, like pumped hydro.  ;)

And it is ENTIRELY solar-powered.

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 11:51am:

Scoot, do you still believe that the map shows Florida completely underwater by 2014? The only idiotic claims I see here come from you and the other climate "sceptics".

6metres which is a figure gore used in the movie would certainly see the entirety of miami and Manhattan under water.


A smart move.

It helped monetize the grift.

Many useless idiots brought into the bullshit  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 4:48pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 11:51am: Scoot, do you still believe that the map shows Florida completely underwater by 2014? The only idiotic claims I see here come from you and the other climate "sceptics". 6metres which is a figure gore used in the movie would certainly see the entirety of miami and Manhattan under water.

I see. So you're finally admitting Al Gore never made a prediction of Florida being under water by 2014, are you?

That's a start. I do feel we're getting somewhere.

Now, can you post us the map you remember?

You may care to post us a YouTube clip of an Inconvenient Truth with your reference.

Cheers.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 5:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 4:48pm: freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 11:51am: Scoot, do you still believe that the map shows Florida completely underwater by 2014? The only idiotic claims I see here come from you and the other climate "sceptics". 6metres which is a figure gore used in the movie would certainly see the entirety of miami and Manhattan under water. I see. So you're finally admitting Al Gore never made a prediction of Florida being under water by 2014, are you? That's a start. I do feel we're getting somewhere. Now, can you post us the map you remember? You may care to post us a YouTube clip of an Inconvenient Truth with your reference. Cheers.

You freediver and gweg are such pedants.

Try to be like the big fella.

Drill baby drill.

Get that stick out of your ass, get yourself a hot chick and learn how to tell entertaining  anecdotes

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 5:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 4:48pm: freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 11:51am: Scoot, do you still believe that the map shows Florida completely underwater by 2014? The only idiotic claims I see here come from you and the other climate "sceptics". 6metres which is a figure gore used in the movie would certainly see the entirety of miami and Manhattan under water. I see. So you're finally admitting Al Gore never made a prediction of Florida being under water by 2014, are you? That's a start. I do feel we're getting somewhere. Now, can you post us the map you remember? You may care to post us a YouTube clip of an Inconvenient Truth with your reference. Cheers.

What predictions DID Gore make, poof?

Any?

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 6:27pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 5:49pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 4:48pm: freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 11:51am: Scoot, do you still believe that the map shows Florida completely underwater by 2014? The only idiotic claims I see here come from you and the other climate "sceptics". 6metres which is a figure gore used in the movie would certainly see the entirety of miami and Manhattan under water. I see. So you're finally admitting Al Gore never made a prediction of Florida being under water by 2014, are you? That's a start. I do feel we're getting somewhere. Now, can you post us the map you remember? You may care to post us a YouTube clip of an Inconvenient Truth with your reference. Cheers. You freediver and gweg are such pedants. Try to be like the big fella. Drill baby drill. Get that stick out of your ass, get yourself a hot chick and learn how to tell entertaining  anecdotes

No, we'll stick with your claim, thanks.

If you can't post your evidence, you'll need to admit you lied.

That's what we'd do, as you know all too well.

Say it.

Frank wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 6:43pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 5:49pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 4:48pm: freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 11:51am: Scoot, do you still believe that the map shows Florida completely underwater by 2014? The only idiotic claims I see here come from you and the other climate "sceptics". 6metres which is a figure gore used in the movie would certainly see the entirety of miami and Manhattan under water. I see. So you're finally admitting Al Gore never made a prediction of Florida being under water by 2014, are you? That's a start. I do feel we're getting somewhere. Now, can you post us the map you remember? You may care to post us a YouTube clip of an Inconvenient Truth with your reference. Cheers. What predictions DID Gore make, poof? Any?

That's a question. Feel free to post them.

Or you may care to ask Aquascoot.

And wait.

Here are the key predictions from An Inconvenient Truth and subsequent, related comments that have not come true:
Ice-Free Arctic Summers (2013-2016): In a 2009 speech and similar remarks following the film, Gore cited research suggesting a 75% chance that the North Polar ice cap could be completely ice-free during summer months within  ("five to seven years"by 2014-2016). Reality: Arctic summer sea ice did not disappear during that period, and while it is declining, it continues to exist.
"No More Snows of Kilimanjaro" (by 2016): The film claimed that within a decade (by roughly 2016), there would be no more snow on Mount Kilimanjaro. Reality: As of 2022, the mountain still has seasonal snow and glaciers
Rapid Sea Level Rise (20 feet): The film indicated that the melting of West Antarctica or Greenland "in the near future" could cause sea levels to rise by 20 feet (6 meters). Reality: A 2007 UK court ruling identified this as "distinctly alarmist," noting that such melting would likely take place over millennia, not the near future.
Glacier National Park Glacier Disappearance (by 2020): The film implied that glaciers in Glacier National Park would be gone by 2020. Reality: While the glaciers have slightly reduced , they have not gone .
Increased Frequency of Extreme Hurricanes: Following the 2005 Katrina storm, the film suggested that global warming would lead to increasingly frequent and intense hurricanes. Reality: Studies in the decade following the film showed that the overall frequency of hurricanes did not increase significantly, although individual storms became more intense.

Don't worry about karny. He believes the John Cook 97% mantra implicitly. ::)

So 6 out of the 20 major Renewables Enterprises that the ALP & Greens are allowing (and causing environmental damage to build their infrastructures) are FOREIGN OWNED and a 7th being half owned by CHINA and another.

That leaves just 3 as Australian.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 7:12pm:

Here are the key predictions from An Inconvenient Truth and subsequent, related comments that have not come true: Ice-Free Arctic Summers (2013-2016): In a 2009 speech and similar remarks following the film, Gore cited research suggesting a 75% chance that the North Polar ice cap could be completely ice-free during summer months within  ("five to seven years"by 2014-2016). Reality: Arctic summer sea ice did not disappear during that period, and while it is declining, it continues to exist. "No More Snows of Kilimanjaro" (by 2016): The film claimed that within a decade (by roughly 2016), there would be no more snow on Mount Kilimanjaro. Reality: As of 2022, the mountain still has seasonal snow and glaciers Rapid Sea Level Rise (20 feet): The film indicated that the melting of West Antarctica or Greenland "in the near future" could cause sea levels to rise by 20 feet (6 meters). Reality: A 2007 UK court ruling identified this as "distinctly alarmist," noting that such melting would likely take place over millennia, not the near future. Glacier National Park Glacier Disappearance (by 2020): The film implied that glaciers in Glacier National Park would be gone by 2020. Reality: While the glaciers have slightly reduced , they have not gone . Increased Frequency of Extreme Hurricanes: Following the 2005 Katrina storm, the film suggested that global warming would lead to increasingly frequent and intense hurricanes. Reality: Studies in the decade following the film showed that the overall frequency of hurricanes did not increase significantly, although individual storms became more intense.

You haven't even posted a source, you poor old thing.

Learned to use a highlighter, have you?

Did Lee show you that?

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 8:51pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 7:12pm: Here are the key predictions from An Inconvenient Truth and subsequent, related comments that have not come true: Ice-Free Arctic Summers (2013-2016): In a 2009 speech and similar remarks following the film, Gore cited research suggesting a 75% chance that the North Polar ice cap could be completely ice-free during summer months within  ("five to seven years"by 2014-2016). Reality: Arctic summer sea ice did not disappear during that period, and while it is declining, it continues to exist. "No More Snows of Kilimanjaro" (by 2016): The film claimed that within a decade (by roughly 2016), there would be no more snow on Mount Kilimanjaro. Reality: As of 2022, the mountain still has seasonal snow and glaciers Rapid Sea Level Rise (20 feet): The film indicated that the melting of West Antarctica or Greenland "in the near future" could cause sea levels to rise by 20 feet (6 meters). Reality: A 2007 UK court ruling identified this as "distinctly alarmist," noting that such melting would likely take place over millennia, not the near future. Glacier National Park Glacier Disappearance (by 2020): The film implied that glaciers in Glacier National Park would be gone by 2020. Reality: While the glaciers have slightly reduced , they have not gone . Increased Frequency of Extreme Hurricanes: Following the 2005 Katrina storm, the film suggested that global warming would lead to increasingly frequent and intense hurricanes. Reality: Studies in the decade following the film showed that the overall frequency of hurricanes did not increase significantly, although individual storms became more intense. You haven't even posted a source, you poor old thing. Learned to use a highlighter, have you? Did Lee show you that?

Keep supporting the grifters if you want.

Gore owns 7 cars.

Elons made a fortune out of the green subsidies.

How is joe lunchbox going with the highest electricity prices in the world and petrol at record prices.

How's Germany going as they reopen brown coal sites to prevent freezing to death.

How's China going with a new coal powered plant every week so they can crush the competition.

How's useful idiots like you going pretending the ACT doesn't rely on fossil fuels at night.

Ever feel like the al gores of the world have got rich off creating anxiety in poopy pants worriers like yourself  :'(

lee wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 4:13pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 1:53pm: What powered the pumped hydro stations prior to fossil fuels Lee? I can't give a definitive answer. Perhaps you can tell us how the slaves carried it up the hill in buckets. ;D ;D ;D ;D But boilers burned wood to create steam, as well as coal. Wood is not a fossil fuel, but a precursor to fossil fuel. ;)

lee wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 1:00pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 7:34am: Yes Lee. Pumped Hydro is a type of battery. Welcome to the 21st century. Actually we had them early in the last century, to deal with the fact that coal fired power stations are not sufficiently dispatchable to match demand patterns. Nope. we had them early in the last century but they were overtaken by fossil fuels. They were better at it. We didn't run out of water. ;) They couldn't meet demand. And they don't now, they are a battery type, but they still only provide back up. ;)

So is you story that we used pumped hydro until we started burning coal instead of wood?

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 5:25am:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 8:51pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 7:12pm: Here are the key predictions from An Inconvenient Truth and subsequent, related comments that have not come true: Ice-Free Arctic Summers (2013-2016): In a 2009 speech and similar remarks following the film, Gore cited research suggesting a 75% chance that the North Polar ice cap could be completely ice-free during summer months within  ("five to seven years"by 2014-2016). Reality: Arctic summer sea ice did not disappear during that period, and while it is declining, it continues to exist. "No More Snows of Kilimanjaro" (by 2016): The film claimed that within a decade (by roughly 2016), there would be no more snow on Mount Kilimanjaro. Reality: As of 2022, the mountain still has seasonal snow and glaciers Rapid Sea Level Rise (20 feet): The film indicated that the melting of West Antarctica or Greenland "in the near future" could cause sea levels to rise by 20 feet (6 meters). Reality: A 2007 UK court ruling identified this as "distinctly alarmist," noting that such melting would likely take place over millennia, not the near future. Glacier National Park Glacier Disappearance (by 2020): The film implied that glaciers in Glacier National Park would be gone by 2020. Reality: While the glaciers have slightly reduced , they have not gone . Increased Frequency of Extreme Hurricanes: Following the 2005 Katrina storm, the film suggested that global warming would lead to increasingly frequent and intense hurricanes. Reality: Studies in the decade following the film showed that the overall frequency of hurricanes did not increase significantly, although individual storms became more intense. You haven't even posted a source, you poor old thing. Learned to use a highlighter, have you? Did Lee show you that? Keep supporting the grifters if you want. Gore owns 7 cars. Elons made a fortune out of the green subsidies. How is joe lunchbox going with the highest electricity prices in the world and petrol at record prices. How's Germany going as they reopen brown coal sites to prevent freezing to death. How's China going with a new coal powered plant every week so they can crush the competition. How's useful idiots like you going pretending the ACT doesn't rely on fossil fuels at night. Ever feel like the al gores of the world have got rich off creating anxiety in poopy pants worriers like yourself  :'(

Back to your claim, can you quote Al Gore's Florida predictions, or would you like us to?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 4:48pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 11:51am: Scoot, do you still believe that the map shows Florida completely underwater by 2014? The only idiotic claims I see here come from you and the other climate "sceptics". 6metres which is a figure gore used in the movie would certainly see the entirety of miami and Manhattan under water. A smart move. It helped monetize the grift. Many useless idiots brought into the bullshit  ;)

Do you still believe that the map shows Florida completely underwater by 2014?


aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 6:27pm:

You freediver and gweg are such pedants.

No Scoot, you and the other climate "sceptics" keep posting incredibly stupid claims. It took me several posts just to list all the stupid things you said in one thread. Just to list them, not to respond. It's like you can barely stop to breath before moving onto the next idiotic claim. You never stop to think whether what you say is true, or even plausible. You just keep dribbling away, and think you are doing us all a favour by giving is a river of drool to wade through in every discussion. And we point out how stupid everything you say is, but you just ignore it and move onto the next stupid thing. And eventually you come back and repeat claims that have been well and truly demonstrated are completely wrong.

But now you want us to ignore the absence of any truth to what you say and focus on the feeling behind it. Like some stoned hippy. Yet we are 7 pages into this thread and you have still not addressed a single claim. In fact you have come up with more stupidity. But it was polite of you to put your idiocy in a thread devoted to highlighting it. It is not pedantry. You are just full of crap. And here it is for you.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 8:05am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 5:25am: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 8:51pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 7:12pm: Here are the key predictions from An Inconvenient Truth and subsequent, related comments that have not come true: Ice-Free Arctic Summers (2013-2016): In a 2009 speech and similar remarks following the film, Gore cited research suggesting a 75% chance that the North Polar ice cap could be completely ice-free during summer months within  ("five to seven years"by 2014-2016). Reality: Arctic summer sea ice did not disappear during that period, and while it is declining, it continues to exist. "No More Snows of Kilimanjaro" (by 2016): The film claimed that within a decade (by roughly 2016), there would be no more snow on Mount Kilimanjaro. Reality: As of 2022, the mountain still has seasonal snow and glaciers Rapid Sea Level Rise (20 feet): The film indicated that the melting of West Antarctica or Greenland "in the near future" could cause sea levels to rise by 20 feet (6 meters). Reality: A 2007 UK court ruling identified this as "distinctly alarmist," noting that such melting would likely take place over millennia, not the near future. Glacier National Park Glacier Disappearance (by 2020): The film implied that glaciers in Glacier National Park would be gone by 2020. Reality: While the glaciers have slightly reduced , they have not gone . Increased Frequency of Extreme Hurricanes: Following the 2005 Katrina storm, the film suggested that global warming would lead to increasingly frequent and intense hurricanes. Reality: Studies in the decade following the film showed that the overall frequency of hurricanes did not increase significantly, although individual storms became more intense. You haven't even posted a source, you poor old thing. Learned to use a highlighter, have you? Did Lee show you that? Keep supporting the grifters if you want. Gore owns 7 cars. Elons made a fortune out of the green subsidies. How is joe lunchbox going with the highest electricity prices in the world and petrol at record prices. How's Germany going as they reopen brown coal sites to prevent freezing to death. How's China going with a new coal powered plant every week so they can crush the competition. How's useful idiots like you going pretending the ACT doesn't rely on fossil fuels at night. Ever feel like the al gores of the world have got rich off creating anxiety in poopy pants worriers like yourself  :'( Back to your claim, can you quote Al Gore's Florida predictions, or would you like us to? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Sure.

He said Miami would be underwater.

It's not

He lied to perpetuate the grift  ;D

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 8:06am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 4:48pm: freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 11:51am: Scoot, do you still believe that the map shows Florida completely underwater by 2014? The only idiotic claims I see here come from you and the other climate "sceptics". 6metres which is a figure gore used in the movie would certainly see the entirety of miami and Manhattan under water. A smart move. It helped monetize the grift. Many useless idiots brought into the bullshit  ;) Do you still believe that the map shows Florida completely underwater by 2014? aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 6:27pm: You freediver and gweg are such pedants. No Scoot, you and the other climate "sceptics" keep posting incredibly stupid claims. It took me several posts just to list all the stupid things you said in one thread. Just to list them, not to respond. It's like you can barely stop to breath before moving onto the next idiotic claim. You never stop to think whether what you say is true, or even plausible. You just keep dribbling away, and think you are doing us all a favour by giving is a river of drool to wade through in every discussion. And we point out how stupid everything you say is, but you just ignore it and move onto the next stupid thing. And eventually you come back and repeat claims that have been well and truly demonstrated are completely wrong. But now you want us to ignore the absence of any truth to what you say and focus on the feeling behind it. Like some stoned hippy. Yet we are 7 pages into this thread and you have still not addressed a single claim. In fact you have come up with more stupidity. But it was polite of you to put your idiocy in a thread devoted to highlighting it. It is not pedantry. You are just full of crap. And here it is for you.

My correct analysis  seems to be triggering you

Do you think the ACT  is energy self sufficient ?

Is Miami under water as shown in the al gore flood map

Is everyone driving an EV unconcerned about the price of petrol.

Is Germany really recommissioning coal fired power plants.

Do tell me where the drivel is.

It all seems to be coming from those who believed the grifters  ;D

I see a lot of tapdancing from you Scoot, but not a single straight answer. Do you think that makes you look less gullible?


aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:08pm:

We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014.

Do you still believe this claim? Or any part of it? It is the one you chose to hang your hat on, out of all the idiotic claims of your I quoted here.

Gullible= easily persuaded to believe something; credulous

Sceptical = not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations



You havent thought this through, fd.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 8:28am:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 8:05am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 5:25am: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 8:51pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 7:12pm: Here are the key predictions from An Inconvenient Truth and subsequent, related comments that have not come true: Ice-Free Arctic Summers (2013-2016): In a 2009 speech and similar remarks following the film, Gore cited research suggesting a 75% chance that the North Polar ice cap could be completely ice-free during summer months within  ("five to seven years"by 2014-2016). Reality: Arctic summer sea ice did not disappear during that period, and while it is declining, it continues to exist. "No More Snows of Kilimanjaro" (by 2016): The film claimed that within a decade (by roughly 2016), there would be no more snow on Mount Kilimanjaro. Reality: As of 2022, the mountain still has seasonal snow and glaciers Rapid Sea Level Rise (20 feet): The film indicated that the melting of West Antarctica or Greenland "in the near future" could cause sea levels to rise by 20 feet (6 meters). Reality: A 2007 UK court ruling identified this as "distinctly alarmist," noting that such melting would likely take place over millennia, not the near future. Glacier National Park Glacier Disappearance (by 2020): The film implied that glaciers in Glacier National Park would be gone by 2020. Reality: While the glaciers have slightly reduced , they have not gone . Increased Frequency of Extreme Hurricanes: Following the 2005 Katrina storm, the film suggested that global warming would lead to increasingly frequent and intense hurricanes. Reality: Studies in the decade following the film showed that the overall frequency of hurricanes did not increase significantly, although individual storms became more intense. You haven't even posted a source, you poor old thing. Learned to use a highlighter, have you? Did Lee show you that? Keep supporting the grifters if you want. Gore owns 7 cars. Elons made a fortune out of the green subsidies. How is joe lunchbox going with the highest electricity prices in the world and petrol at record prices. How's Germany going as they reopen brown coal sites to prevent freezing to death. How's China going with a new coal powered plant every week so they can crush the competition. How's useful idiots like you going pretending the ACT doesn't rely on fossil fuels at night. Ever feel like the al gores of the world have got rich off creating anxiety in poopy pants worriers like yourself  :'( Back to your claim, can you quote Al Gore's Florida predictions, or would you like us to? A simple yes or no will suffice. Sure. He said Miami would be underwater. It's not He lied to perpetuate the grift  ;D

Right. So before I do your job for you, kindly confirm your position that Al Gore predicted Miami would be 20 feet underwater by 2014.

We'll then check what Al Gore actually said.

Cheers.

Frank wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 9:01am:

Gullible= easily persuaded to believe something; credulous Sceptical = not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations You havent thought this through, fd.

Just so. You're skeptical that the ACT is powered by a solar farm, is that so?

The Mugga Lane Solar Park might just be a large plastic prop, I guess we'll never know.

The jury's still out on that one, no?

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 8:40am:

I see a lot of tapdancing from you Scoot, but not a single straight answer. Do you think that makes you look less gullible? aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. Do you still believe this claim? Or any part of it? It is the one you chose to hang your hat on, out of all the idiotic claims of your I quoted here.

Have you seen an inconvenient truth.

Educate yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-SV13UQXdk

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 9:17am:

Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 9:01am: Gullible= easily persuaded to believe something; credulous Sceptical = not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations You havent thought this through, fd. Just so. You're skeptical that the ACT is powered by a solar farm, is that so? The Mugga Lane Solar Park might just be a large plastic prop, I guess we'll never know. The jury's still out on that one, no?

An accounting trick.

Imagine if Alice Springs said they require 100 megalitres of water a week and then said they had built a dam in Tasmania which stored this level and had a certificate to say so.

We now have our water problem fixed
Do they?

If the ACT  build a solar farm in qld which generates as much power as they use have they fixed the problem.
No
They have created a resource somewhere else.
They still need coal and gas at night as we all do.
And half our energy is burnt at night.
And most EVs are recharged at night using grid energy.
Energy provided by fossil fuels.

I think you and freediver are showing your stupidity  :( :(

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:08pm:

We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014.

Scoot should we anticipate you circling back in a month or so and making this idiotic claim again, pretending this thread does not even exist? Is that how a superior man acts when he realises he is wrong, or is that the behaviour of a mindless cheerleader for a lost cause?

Whatever this unidentifiable bigger issue is, or stronger feelings, that you want us to focus on rather than the fact that you are wrong all the time - how do you know you are not wrong on that as well, if you keep getting the details wrong and don't allow yourself to learn from your mistakes?

Why did you choose this claim in particular, out of all the other idiotic things I quoted you saying at the start of this thread? Do you still actually believe it, and if so, why won't you say?

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 7:51pm:

So 6 out of the 20 major Renewables Enterprises that the ALP & Greens are allowing (and causing environmental damage to build their infrastructures) are FOREIGN OWNED and a 7th being half owned by CHINA and another. That leaves just 3 as Australian.

You?

Frank wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 9:39am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-SV13UQXdk

Really? So where did he predict Florida being completely underwater by 2014?

Did he make another movie? Did he post a tweet? Did he give a speech?

Where?

Apparently we all remember the map. We just don't know it.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 9:41am:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 9:17am: Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 9:01am: Gullible= easily persuaded to believe something; credulous Sceptical = not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations You havent thought this through, fd. Just so. You're skeptical that the ACT is powered by a solar farm, is that so? The Mugga Lane Solar Park might just be a large plastic prop, I guess we'll never know. The jury's still out on that one, no? An accounting trick.

I see. How about the Royalla solar farm?

And how about the Big Canberra Battery Project?

Is that an accounting trick too?

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 10:10am:

Apparently we all remember the map. We just don't know it.

I know. We also forgot the map of Greenland. If that "melts and breaks up", it will raise sea levels and put current coastal cities underwater.

Food for thought no?

I guess DL won't want Greenland then.

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 10:10am:

Apparently we all remember the map. We just don't know it.

Al gores says 6 m in the near future

And the useful idiots swallow it.

How Gullible  :D :D :D

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 10:14am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 9:41am: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 9:17am: Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 9:01am: Gullible= easily persuaded to believe something; credulous Sceptical = not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations You havent thought this through, fd. Just so. You're skeptical that the ACT is powered by a solar farm, is that so? The Mugga Lane Solar Park might just be a large plastic prop, I guess we'll never know. The jury's still out on that one, no? An accounting trick. I see. How about the Royalla solar farm? And how about the Big Canberra Battery Project? Is that an accounting trick too?

So they don't need to be connected to the National grid.

Except they do need to be connected and they are connected.

How gullible are you.

6 metre freediver and  ACT Battery karnal are getting quite desperate.
They swallowed the false narrative.
Time to vomit it back up and restore health


Drill baby drill

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:08pm:

We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014.

Can you show us the map Scoot?


aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 10:44am:

And the useful idiots swallow it. How Gullible  :D :D :D

Indeed.

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 10:55am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. Can you show us the map Scoot? aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 10:44am: And the useful idiots swallow it. How Gullible  :D :D :D Indeed.

 

6 m says Al gores, in the near future.
And the gullible believe him.
And the map already shown to the gullible shows the entire city of Miami under water.

Meanwhile we haven't seen 6 cm.

Why can't the gullible admit they were duped.

Now get back to work and save up for the most expensive electricity in the world and 3 dollar a litre petrol .
And remember,  they don't pay a wage for being a pedant

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 10:44am:

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 10:10am: Apparently we all remember the map. We just don't know it. Al gores says 6 m in the near future

And where did he say that? Will you provide a source, or would you prefer we provide it for you?

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 10:47am:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 10:14am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 9:41am: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 9:17am: Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 9:01am: Gullible= easily persuaded to believe something; credulous Sceptical = not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations You havent thought this through, fd. Just so. You're skeptical that the ACT is powered by a solar farm, is that so? The Mugga Lane Solar Park might just be a large plastic prop, I guess we'll never know. The jury's still out on that one, no? An accounting trick. I see. How about the Royalla solar farm? And how about the Big Canberra Battery Project? Is that an accounting trick too? So they don't need to be connected to the National grid. Except they do need to be connected and they are connected. How gullible are you. 6 metre freediver and  ACT Battery karnal are getting quite desperate. They swallowed the false narrative. Time to vomit it back up and restore health Drill baby drill

No no, you were asked if the solar farms and batteries are a trick.

We'll need your answer.

Chop chop.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 11:35am:

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 10:55am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. Can you show us the map Scoot? aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 10:44am: And the useful idiots swallow it. How Gullible  :D :D :D Indeed.   6 m says Al gores, in the near future. And the gullible believe him.

Do the gullible useful idiots believe that is what he said? Can you quote him? Just to prove that you are not one of the gullible useful idiots?

And can you show us the map Scoot?

Spit it out, Aquascoot. We're waiting.

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 8:04am:

So is you story that we used pumped hydro until we started burning coal instead of wood?

Is that your claim to fame? Making Sch!t up? You were the one posted about pumped hydro being around since 1907. Well after the start of the fossil fuel period. ::)

Perhaps he has gone to look for evidence.

Either that, or he is waiting the next idiotic meme to appear on his facebook feed so he can copy it here.

lee wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 4:13pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 1:53pm: What powered the pumped hydro stations prior to fossil fuels Lee? I can't give a definitive answer. Perhaps you can tell us how the slaves carried it up the hill in buckets. ;D ;D ;D ;D But boilers burned wood to create steam, as well as coal. Wood is not a fossil fuel, but a precursor to fossil fuel. ;)

lee wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 1:00pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2026 at 7:34am: Yes Lee. Pumped Hydro is a type of battery. Welcome to the 21st century. Actually we had them early in the last century, to deal with the fact that coal fired power stations are not sufficiently dispatchable to match demand patterns. Nope. we had them early in the last century but they were overtaken by fossil fuels. They were better at it. We didn't run out of water. ;) They couldn't meet demand. And they don't now, they are a battery type, but they still only provide back up. ;)

I am asking you what your story is Lee. Or were you just dribbling incoherently? Bit hard to demonstrate your gullibility if you can't string a sentence together.


Quote:

You were the one posted about pumped hydro being around since 1907.

:o

Can you quote me?


Quote:

Making Sch!t up?

LOL.

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 1:22pm:

(It's a) (B)bit hard to demonstrate your gullibility if you can't string a sentence together.

Oh. So you can't string a sentence together and it is my fault? ;D ;D ;D ;D

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 12:05pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 11:35am: freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 10:55am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. Can you show us the map Scoot? aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 10:44am: And the useful idiots swallow it. How Gullible  :D :D :D Indeed.   6 m says Al gores, in the near future. And the gullible believe him. Do the gullible useful idiots believe that is what he said? Can you quote him? Just to prove that you are not one of the gullible useful idiots? And can you show us the map Scoot?

Watch the movie.
Read my excellent factual analysis in reply 93.

Near future
Polar ice caps
6m

All from the mouth of Al gore


Please continue to support the green scamsters.
They have yachts and mistresses to pay for ;D

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 2:12pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 12:05pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 11:35am: freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 10:55am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. Can you show us the map Scoot? aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 10:44am: And the useful idiots swallow it. How Gullible  :D :D :D Indeed.   6 m says Al gores, in the near future. And the gullible believe him. Do the gullible useful idiots believe that is what he said? Can you quote him? Just to prove that you are not one of the gullible useful idiots? And can you show us the map Scoot? Watch the movie.

Are you admitting it is BS, or trying to tell us that you don't know how to quote something Al Gore said in movie that all the climate "scpetics" are talking about?

Scoot, shall we chalk this one down to another example of a gullible useful idiot climate "sceptic" demonstrating their gullibility in a thread dedicated to the gullibility of climate "sceptics," at the same time as accusing everyone else of being a gullible useful idiot?

Can you show us the map Scoot?

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 2:12pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 12:05pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 11:35am: freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 10:55am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. Can you show us the map Scoot? aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2026 at 10:44am: And the useful idiots swallow it. How Gullible  :D :D :D Indeed.   6 m says Al gores, in the near future. And the gullible believe him. Do the gullible useful idiots believe that is what he said? Can you quote him? Just to prove that you are not one of the gullible useful idiots? And can you show us the map Scoot? Watch the movie. Read my excellent factual analysis in reply 93. Near future Polar ice caps 6m All from the mouth of Al gore Please continue to support the green scamsters. They have yachts and mistresses to pay for ;D

Excuse me, do you have a problem with mistresses?

That's another question.

FD will answer yours when you answer his.

Karnal is a prawn with no eyes.
Does it feel pain?

Jasin wrote on Mar 12^th, 2026 at 4:29pm:

Karnal is a prawn with no eyes. Does it feel pain?

How does AI come up with this stuff?

FD, when will you be acting on the board's bot problem, dear?

And no, I don't mean finding Aquascoot a bigger saddle.

He couldn't get a leg over his poor nag if he tried.

Chris Bowen - look at him. Listen to him.


I wouldnt believe anything he says. Shifty as *uck. Just read him.

You are confused Frank. Why are you recommending we waste our time listening to and reading him if you think he is so terrible? Should we all go out and buy a gas guzzler because Bowen annoys you?

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2026 at 7:28am:

You are confused Frank. Why are you recommending we waste our time listening to and reading him if you think he is so terrible? Should we all go out and buy a gas guzzler because Bowen annoys you?

No, I think he's saying we need to pack up the Royalla solar plant and invest in clean coal.

Is that it, old boy?

Unlike the mother country, such cads. Denmark's now 86% renewable.

One can never go home, no?

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:12pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 11:36am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 5:44pm: FD, Quote: It is not possible to store solar power generated during the day to use at night Yes it is - just used pumped hydro storage - the water is pumped uphill and released later to drive electric turbines. What source of energy is used to power the pumps to pump it uphill?  ;D Read what is says Gnads - you can pumped hydro to store solar power.

Errrr - what? That makes no sense.

And you tell me what electricity is used to pump water back up to the storage dam?

The electricity generated from the water storage in the  upper dam is used to put electricity into the grid when required during peak periods.

It is not used to pump water back up the hill to the storage dam. That would defeat its purpose.

Power from the national grid would be used off peak to pump the water up.

And that is not solar generated power.

Quote:

Power from the national grid would be used off peak to pump the water up. And that is not solar generated power.

Why not? We are about to get 3 hours of free electricity during the middle of the day because of the abundance of solar power. As thermal power stations close and we build more solar, this will become even more pronounced.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1763262448

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2026 at 9:10am:

We are about to get 3 hours of free electricity during the middle of the day because of the abundance of solar power. As thermal power stations close and we build more solar, this will become even more pronounced.

Not every day. It would not necessarily be there when required. Storms, clouds etc.

Btw - The other day you said something about renewables; infering I said/meant not being able to be manufactured by renewables. Can you tell us the amount of solar panels and wind turbine blades made by renewables? How about steel made by renewables, concrete? 8-)

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:15pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 11:35am: freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 5:29pm: Quote: Everything you claim is practically the exact opposite in truth. It must be so frustrating for you to know this but not be able to produce the evidence. You & evidence?  ;D Do you realise I was quoting other people, as examples of the idiotic things that climate "sceptics" believe. Of course there is no evidence to back it up.

;D That should read the idiotic things that climate alarmists believe.  ::)

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 2:13pm:

lee wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:02pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 8:12am: lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 6:10pm: freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 6:00pm: You can make a battery as big as you want Bobby. There is no limit. And for daily cycles, it is cheaper than pumped hydro. How big a battery? $125 -$334 per MWh. At what cost? Not according to this -                                                               Pumped   LFP USD/kW based on PSH life of                 2,710    4,570 80 years and 6% discount rate**) https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/64f9d0036cb97160cc26feba/64f9d0036cb97160cc2712aa_IFPSH%20-%20PSH%20Capabilities%20and%20Costs_15%20Sept.pdf This big a battery. 250/500 MWh. How do you think Canberra's going to stay off the grid? Ah Waratah, NSW. So the ACT must be connected to the grid. And 500MWh? NSW and ACT use 1,447.9 PJ of power a year.That converts to 402,194 GWh daily on average or 1101 GWh daily. Or 1,101,000MWh. and that equals 0.27 of a minute or 1.6 seconds. ::) I know large number confuse you. You've gone from claiming renewable electricity doesn't exist in Australia to saying we don't have enough. Why must the left lie?

That's not what he said at all - why must you lie?

Gnads wrote on Mar 13^th, 2026 at 12:22pm:

That's not what he said at all - why must you lie?

Poor karny doesn't lie. He just continually makes wrong statements. 8-)

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 5:03pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:10pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm: We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014. How did that work out  ;D ;D I don't. https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2017/BSS177/um/Gore_Inconvient_Truth_Transcript.pdf NASA even added this map, so children on the Gulf Coast could imagine their homes under the waves: https://capitalresearch.org/app/uploads/Rising-seas.jpg Sea Level plus 20 Feet. Credit: NASA Climate Kids. And yet, from January 1993 through January 2025, NASA’s satellites have captured a cumulative sea level increase of . . . four inches. The current rate of increase, according to NASA, is 0.17 inches per year. That’s the thickness of three pennies stacked atop each other. Where did Al Gore reference that?

You a defender of that fraud Al Gore?

A fan of Man Bear Pig.  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGoEP-IqoDg

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freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 7:34am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:06pm: Gore said that if major ice sheets such as Greenland or West Antarctica collapsed, global sea level could rise about 20 feet (≈6 meters).  mediamatters.org +1 In the film he described a ~20-foot rise as a possible outcome from large-scale melting of those ice sheets and showed maps of what coastlines would look like.  Do you disagree with either of those statements? And where is this map that "everyone remembers" showing Florida copletely under water? Do you actually believe that, or are you just being a gullible climate "sceptic"? Is it hidden in the transcript? Do you even remember it yourself, or did you just believe whatever idiotic slogans appear on your facebook feed? lee wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:11pm: freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:06pm: What have I taken out of context in that example? You have given only half a side of one equation and nothing of the other side. ::) You are falling back on dribbling incoherently Lee, like a climate sceptic. What did I take out of context, and did it misrepresent what was said in any way? lee wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:13pm: freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:12pm: you can pumped hydro to store solar power. Provided you have the solar power at the time it is needed.  Timing is important in all things, motor vehicles etc. ;) Yes Lee. Pumped Hydro is a type of battery. Welcome to the 21st century. Actually we had them early in the last century, to deal with the fact that coal fired power stations are not sufficiently dispatchable to match demand patterns.

Nothing of the sort.

That's just artistic license in making a ludicrous claim by a climate alarmist.

Like the left always coming up with the next trendy description and loose association to something it's not.