Channel 7 news just reported petrol could soon hit $3 per litre.


The ABC says:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-04/petrol-prices-surge-across-australia-servo-queues-middle-east/106414796

In short:

People are being urged not to panic buy petrol, as prices surge amid the Middle East war.

Long queues of cars are lining streets around petrol stations across the country, with warnings the price per litre could rise by 40c in coming weeks.

What's next?
Authorities say there is a steady supply of fuel in Australia, with fuel companies accused of taking advantage of people's anxieties by hiking prices.



Petrol retailers across the nation are being accused of "unconscionable" behaviour by preying on people's anxieties as fuel prices surge in the midst of the Middle East war.

Economists are warning Australian petrol prices could rise by 40 cents a litre in coming weeks as the conflict in the Middle East escalates, disrupting the flow of crude oil through the Strait of Hormuz.

In Perth, thousands of motorists across the city lined up along streets to get fuel last night, the cheapest day in the city's weekly fuel price cycle.

Many fuel stations across the city are selling fuel well above $2 per litre today, higher than than the daily average of 188.7 and the February average of 164.5c.

It's kind of hard to stock up on petrol.

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2026 at 5:15pm:

It's kind of hard to stock up on petrol.

You need Jerry cans and a safe place to store it.


https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/f334de751d5f00f6d5543199c64bdfd6.jpg

I wouldn't put petrol stored in a jerry can for a significant period of time in your car.

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2026 at 5:19pm:

I wouldn't put petrol stored in a jerry can for a significant period of time in your car.

That's true - petrol goes stale in about 2 months as
the lighter hydrocarbons boil off.

Next - panic buying toilet paper... Tsk, tsk   ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2026 at 5:25pm:

That's true - petrol goes stale in about 2 months as the lighter hydrocarbons boil off.

It depends on the seal.

lee wrote on Mar 4^th, 2026 at 5:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4th, 2026 at 5:25pm: That's true - petrol goes stale in about 2 months as the lighter hydrocarbons boil off. It depends on the seal.

And if you are silly enough to put the Jerry can in the hot sun.

The cans don't have perfect seals.

Horses and rickshaws will come back.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2026 at 5:59pm:

And if you are silly enough to put the Jerry can in the hot sun. The cans don't have perfect seals.

Ah well there are numpties among us. ;)

I hope it reaches $20❗
It will be like COVID Lockdown with no-one on the roads. :D

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2026 at 5:15pm:

It's kind of hard to stock up on petrol.

Well, you always said you wanted petrol prices to rise, FD.

Sustainability, innit.

Oh well, at least Vlad gets to cash in. The Russian economy was about to bust before DL started this one.

He cares, no? 

Coal is a bigger contributor to GHG emissions, and has a higher emission per unit of energy produced. With the transition to EV's the gap is going to widen.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 5^th, 2026 at 8:11am:

freediver wrote on Mar 4th, 2026 at 5:15pm: It's kind of hard to stock up on petrol. Well, you always said you wanted petrol prices to rise, FD. Sustainability, innit. Oh well, at least Vlad gets to cash in. The Russian economy was about to bust before DL started this one. He cares, no?

Vlad is gonna love the high fuel prices.

Having a diesel vehicle and storing diesel long term better than petrol.
LP gas is still reasonably priced.

Now, I was remembering back in the later 70s….

It was Iran! Trouble with Iran!

And…back in the 70s petrol prices went up…… cars with V8 engines plummeted and everyone was panicking and scurrying to rid their V8’s to buy 4 cyl or get cars converted to gas.

Well here we go (Iran again!!!) except…. Now it’s a ploy to raise fuel so everyone will scurry to rid their petrol cars (yes even 4 cylinders) to get….tah dah…. Electric cars!!!!

I’m not gonna panic! Imma staying put!

From the 70s lesson I learnt…. to do multiple errands with one car trip to save on fuel…. Unlike some I know that go out every day for some feeble excuse.
Do people hate staying home a day, or two, or three?

Page 6 in today's The West Australian.

What are you going to do about it, Roger? Nothing.

What can you do about it, Roger? Nothing.

Oh, and while you're "fuming" perhaps you could direct some of your displeasure towards the housing and rent price hikes over the past 10 years or so that makes buying a house or affording (or even finding) a private rental almost impossible these days.

What's that? Ah, that's right - your government is addicted to the Stamp Duty revenue from house sales, aren't you? (2 billion dollars in the last 6 months of 2025, up from 1.5 billion for the last 6 months of 2024 due to increasing house prices).

F...ing hypocrite.

---

Vlad doesn't look happy

https://www.perthnow.com.au/stories/zelenskys-tears-for-bucha-as-he-visits-site-of-atrocities/assets/12.jpeg

I see the same thing around here. Fuel price varies by about 60c. Not evenly. For example they will all be either within 5c of $1.50 or within 5c of $2.10. Seems to vary by suburb, as fuel stations within sight of each other charge about the same.

There is absolutely no need for the government to do anything about it. If it bothers you, just shop around. Or better yet, buy an EV. They are dirt cheap to run.

Why is there this incessant need for the government to make everything 'fair'?

Here today Unleaded 91 is $1.70 to $2.00
Diesel is $1.74 to $2.10.

Brisbane unleaded 91 is $1.96 to $2.20
Brisbane Diesel is $1.90 to $2.20

Brisbane is  the major port for QLD & has the Lytton Refinery producing 60% of QLDs fuel.

Why is fuel cheaper here - 3 1/2 hrs nrth of Brisbane?

We are being savved every which way but loose.

There is not a reason in hell why already purchased fuel supplies at the time the first strikes on Iran should have been reflected the next day at bowsers in Australia. Just out & out profiteering.

There is no "Brisbane price" for petrol. Look around.

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2026 at 12:38pm:

Why is fuel cheaper here - 3 1/2 hrs nrth of Brisbane?

Because like here 3 hours south of Perth, it is too far for the city folks to drive. ;)

Filled up at $1.71 unleaded 91 today.
Not saying where. We don't need people from Perth coming here and making a queue.

Jasin wrote on Mar 5^th, 2026 at 4:25pm:

Filled up at $1.71 unleaded 91 today. Not saying where. We don't need people from Perth coming here and making a queue.

You won't say where, we understand.

So which website are you checking our prices on?

What this guy says! The amount of fuel  :o
It’s toilet paper panic buying but petrol themed!

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSu8RKgpV/

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2026 at 5:03pm:

Channel 7 news just reported petrol could soon hit $3 per litre. The ABC says: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-04/petrol-prices-surge-across-australia-servo-queues-middle-east/106414796 In short: People are being urged not to panic buy petrol, as prices surge amid the Middle East war. Long queues of cars are lining streets around petrol stations across the country, with warnings the price per litre could rise by 40c in coming weeks. What's next? Authorities say there is a steady supply of fuel in Australia, with fuel companies accused of taking advantage of people's anxieties by hiking prices. Petrol retailers across the nation are being accused of "unconscionable" behaviour by preying on people's anxieties as fuel prices surge in the midst of the Middle East war. Economists are warning Australian petrol prices could rise by 40 cents a litre in coming weeks as the conflict in the Middle East escalates, disrupting the flow of crude oil through the Strait of Hormuz. In Perth, thousands of motorists across the city lined up along streets to get fuel last night, the cheapest day in the city's weekly fuel price cycle. Many fuel stations across the city are selling fuel well above $2 per litre today, higher than than the daily average of 188.7 and the February average of 164.5c.

Hang on, weren't you just posting praise for your DL for bringing the price of gas down to $1.99 a gallon?

That was less than two weeks ago.

What say you now?

Jasin wrote on Mar 5^th, 2026 at 4:25pm:

Filled up at $1.71 unleaded 91 today. Not saying where. We don't need people from Perth coming here and making a queue.

Indonesia, is it?

7-Eleven defends 58c petrol price hike   :(
7-Eleven has defended its 58c-per-litre hike in petrol, claiming the rise is in line with “broader industry trends” as the consumer watchdog issues a new warning.

News.com.au
March 6, 2026

Petrol retailers are crisis profiteering and unjustifiably hiking prices at least five to 10 cents a litre across the country, the NRMA claims.

As the conflict in Iran lifts global wholesale fuel prices about 10c per litre, the national motorists’ group says service stations have hiked prices well above the wholesale increase, and before increases have even flowed through to the Australian fuel market.   :(

NewsWire has recorded a 58c-per-litre hike from Monday to Thursday at 7-Eleven service stations in Sydney’s Surry Hills.

“While global crude oil prices may impact fuel prices across the industry, our priority is to maintain continuity of service for customers,” a 7-Eleven spokesperson said.

“We continue to offer Mobil quality fuels across our network, and customers can rely on the Fuel Price Lock feature within the My 7-Eleven app to help manage price movements.”

7-Eleven sold Mobil Supreme+ 98 for 181.9c a litre under the “fuel lock” scheme in and around Surry Hills on Monday, before the price jumped to 239.9c a litre by Thursday.

“Like all retailers, we monitor market conditions closely and will adjust in line with broader industry trends,” the 7-Eleven spokesperson said.

“We won’t be commenting on geopolitical matters, but we remain focused on providing a reliable and consistent offer for our customers every day.”

NRMA spokesman Peter Khoury said on Friday fuel retailers were already maximising their margins before the US and Israel began bombing Iran on Saturday.


“What we’ve seen in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane in particular, we were already at the top of the cycle. They were already charging the peak amount at $2.13 when the wholesale price was $1.53,” he told Sunrise.

“The wholesale price has gone up 10 cents a litre. They’ve put their prices up even further, and they’re refusing to come down. They’re using a crisis to make money, and it’s got to stop.”

Concerns about impending hikes in petrol prices have already prompted a flurry of buying across Australia.

Global oil prices – inflated by the military conflict – typically took seven to 10 days to flush through to Australian petrol prices, Mr Khoury said.

“What we’ve seen is those prices go up when they shouldn’t have, and they went up too quickly,” he said.

“The public are reporting them, and so there is more that they can do. They’ll drop their prices if you put a bit of pressure on them.”

The consumer watchdog issued a warning to fuel retailers on Friday.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) says it “will not hesitate to take action” against price gouging.

“The international price of refined petrol is a key driver of Australian retail petrol prices,” ACCC commissioner Anna Brakey said.

“While these international costs are largely outside the control of local petrol retailers, we remind retailers that making false or misleading statements to consumers about the reasons of price increases would be in breach of the Australian Consumer Law.”

The consumer watchdog had written to the fuel retailers telling them not to falsely blame the conflict for price increases, Ms Brakey said.

“The ACCC will not hesitate to take action if representations and market behaviour by a petrol company contravene competition and consumer laws,” she said.

“We have written to major fuel companies to set out our expectations about domestic fuel pricing as these international events unfold.

“At this time, as at any time, we encourage motorists to use fuel price apps and websites to shop around to find the lowest prices.”

Treasurer Jim Chalmers says the consumer watchdog has the powers to investigate petrol price changes.

On Thursday, federal Treasurer Jim Chalmers said motorists should not be taken for mugs by the fuel companies, as RACQ reports “unwarranted” hikes at the bowser to the consumer watchdog.   :(

As the war in Iraq now involves 16 countries

Use this site to find your local petrol prices:

https://petrolspy.com.au/map/latlng/-37.814107/144.96328


You can see it's around $2.40 per litre for U98.

It was $1.89 last week - so a big jump
from all the war profiteering.

whiteknight wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 3:31am:

On Thursday, federal Treasurer Jim Chalmers said motorists should not be taken for mugs by the fuel companies

;D ;D ;D

Newsflash for you, Jim - motorists have been taken for mugs by fuel companies for as long as I can remember.

Every time the price of oil went up, the price of petrol at the bowser went up almost immediately but if the price of oil dropped it would take them up to a week or more to reduce the price of petrol (if they even bothered to reduce it at all).

Motorists have also been taken for mugs by the government who, despite their fake concern, are more than happy to see fuel prices go up and up because of the extra fuel tax they get (which is worked out as a percentage of each litre sold - currently about 50%, so I believe).

I don't know about everywhere else but here in WA the fuel companies cannot change the price for 24 hours. So, once they "decide" on the price for each day it has to stay the same from 'midnight to midnight'.

Before then, the price used to change several times a day (probably depending on how busy they were) and it used to go up by about 15 to 20 cents a litre every Friday lunchtime like clockwork so the fuel companies could rip off motorists filling up on Friday afternoons/evenings for the weekend.

Mugs indeed. As I said a few days ago - I'm glad I don't have a car anymore.

So what happened to Chris Bowel's Glorious Energy Transition?

Note that Iran is targeting neighbouring oil refineries and gas ports, NOT wind and solar farms.
Why?
The world runs on fossil fuels?  Shurely shome mishtake.

Frank wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:38am:

So what happened to Chris Bowel's Glorious Energy Transition? Note that Iran is targeting neighbouring oil refineries and gas ports, NOT wind and solar farms. Why? The world runs on fossil fuels?  Shurely shome mishtake.

Because a centralised system makes it more vulnerable to attack.

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:44am:

Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:38am: So what happened to Chris Bowel's Glorious Energy Transition? Note that Iran is targeting neighbouring oil refineries and gas ports, NOT wind and solar farms. Why? The world runs on fossil fuels?  Shurely shome mishtake. Because a centralised system makes it more vulnerable to attack.

Why is Australia's energy supply is centralised elsewhere?

Why isnt Australia, energy superpower, self reliant for every form of energy?  What madness has made Australia import 90% of its fuel?
What Gretaesque madness rationalised such stupidity?

Because we want to be rich, not self sufficient. Go weave your own baskets if that's what you want.

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 9:10am:

Because we want to be rich, not self sufficient. Go weave your own baskets if that's what you want.

;D ;D ;D


So being energy self-sufficient in the 21st century is now hippy dippy 60s basket weaving!

NOT shipping it out and then shipping it back, rather than refining it here would make us poorer.
You have caught what TGD has, fd.

Quote:

So being energy self-sufficient in the 21st century is now hippy dippy 60s basket weaving!

It is the same thought process, applied to a nation rather than a person, usually associated with stoned hippies who have come to realise they don't like backbreaking work just to feed themselves, but think it will all work out if everyone in the country does it.

Frank wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 9:30am:

freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 9:10am: Because we want to be rich, not self sufficient. Go weave your own baskets if that's what you want. ;D ;D ;D So being energy self-sufficient in the 21st century is now hippy dippy 60s basket weaving! NOT shipping it out and then shipping it back, rather than refining it here would make us poorer. You have caught what TGD has, fd.

You silly Billy:



Google AI:


Australia has oil reserves, but they are limited, holding only about 0.3% of the world's total reserves. While there is domestic production (mostly offshore in the Northern Carnarvon, Roebuck, and Gippsland basins), Australia imports around 90% of its refined fuel needs, relying on a strategic reserve to manage supply.

Key Details on Australian Oil:


Reserves: As of 2023, Australia had 7,551 PJ (1,312 million barrels) of proven and probable (2P) oil reserves.


Production: In 2023, Australia produced 747,020 TJ of crude oil.


Location: Most oil is found offshore in the Northern Carnarvon, Roebuck, and Gippsland basins, with some onshore production in the Cooper-Eromanga region.


Consumption & Import: Due to limited local refining capacity, Australia imports a vast majority of its petroleum products.


Fuel Security: As of March 2026, Australia holds roughly 32–36 days of fuel in stock, with the government purchasing additional reserves stored in the United States.


Although rich in other resources like coal and natural gas, Australia is not a major oil-producing nation.

In today's The West Australian, former consumer regulator Allan Fels says that if the war goes on for longer than 6 weeks (as I'm sure it will) then the government will have to do something - like price controls and petrol rationing.

I'll be stocking up on popcorn for if/when that happens.

I'm already having flashbacks to the Great Toilet Paper War of 2020 when stupid, selfish people bought as much as they could (even though they didn't need to) while at the same time thinking "stuff everyone else".

Things like rationing worked quite well during World War 2 for example when people cared about others much more than they do now.

But, today (with the abovementioned stupid, selfish people making up the majority of the population) - no chance.

Quote:

In today's The West Australian, former consumer regulator Allan Fels says that if the war goes on for longer than 6 weeks (as I'm sure it will) then the government will have to do something - like price controls and petrol rationing.

Why would it have to do that?

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 11:09am:

Quote: In today's The West Australian, former consumer regulator Allan Fels says that if the war goes on for longer than 6 weeks (as I'm sure it will) then the government will have to do something - like price controls and petrol rationing. Why would it have to do that?

Allan Fels says it would be to stop people panic buying and stocking up on petrol like they're doing right now and will only get worse the longer the war drags on.

But, no need to worry. I'm fairly certain our spineless politicians (especially Albanese) wouldn't have the intestinal fortitude to try anything like price controls and rationing of petrol.

Carl D wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 11:17am:

freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 11:09am: Quote: In today's The West Australian, former consumer regulator Allan Fels says that if the war goes on for longer than 6 weeks (as I'm sure it will) then the government will have to do something - like price controls and petrol rationing. Why would it have to do that? Allan Fels says it would be to stop people panic buying and stocking up on petrol like they're doing right now and will only get worse the longer the war drags on. But, no need to worry. I'm fairly certain our spineless politicians (especially Albanese) wouldn't have the intestinal fortitude to try anything like price controls and rationing of petrol.

They would lack the stupidity.

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 9:42am:

Quote: So being energy self-sufficient in the 21st century is now hippy dippy 60s basket weaving! It is the same thought process, applied to a nation rather than a person, usually associated with stoned hippies who have come to realise they don't like backbreaking work just to feed themselves, but think it will all work out if everyone in the country does it.

Dribbling.

Energy security is economic security

And fossil fuels are what has created most of the wealth we take for granted.

You could say the same about food. If you go back far enough, over 90% of the economy was geared towards producing food. But now it is about 1%. Energy is following the same trend. It's now somewhere between 1% and 4% of the economy.

People have created the wealth.

And Australia is a net oil exporter. If there ever is an oil crunch, we will benefit. It is not the refineries that will be in short supply.

This is really nothing more than people searching for something to pointlessly fret about. All the economies we fear overpowering us are the ones exporting cars and ipads.

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 4:08pm:

You could say the same about food. If you go back far enough, over 90% of the economy was geared towards producing food. But now it is about 1%. Energy is following the same trend. It's now somewhere between 1% and 4% of the economy. People have created the wealth. And Australia is a net oil exporter. If there ever is an oil crunch, we will benefit. It is not the refineries that will be in short supply. This is really nothing more than people searching for something to pointlessly fret about. All the economies we fear overpowering us are the ones exporting cars and ipads.

It is  lot more complex and significant than that.

Energy is the basis of EVERY industry and every economic activity. As the price of energy goes up, so does the price of everything for that very reason.

You want secure, reliable and cheap energy. All three at once.  Australia could have all three but doesn't, because of government policies by the Uniparty.

The food analogy is false. Going from 90% to 1% is due to mechanisation and energy. The 90% of peasant   population has been replaced by machinery and technology - running on energy. But instead of peasant and draft animal muscle, it is fossil fuel energy.


How many industries and business have closed down due to unaffordable energy (and labour and regulatory) costs?

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 11:09am:

Quote: In today's The West Australian, former consumer regulator Allan Fels says that if the war goes on for longer than 6 weeks (as I'm sure it will) then the government will have to do something - like price controls and petrol rationing. Why would it have to do that?

So that workers have enough petrol to get to work and back?   :-/

Freediver doesn't seem to get it.

Take fossil fuels away now and your standard of living will nosedive.

Eventually solar and nuclear may be able to take over but that is a long way off.

I expect it will be decades until I have an electric tractor.

Without diesel , there is no food production.

A 60 HP tractor that runs on 50 bucks of fuel a day , does the work of 60 horses or 500 men.

You want to pay a man 10 cents a day to till the  field?

You think white knight and his crew will work for 10 cents a day?

Because take away diesel and we are back to serfs in the field.

Even using 60 horses would cost you 1000 a day in feed and you would need multiple laborers to set up a horse team


We must give thanks for the miracle of fossil fuels

hear hear sir Aqua,

hydrocarbons are a miracle.

Quote:

I expect it will be decades until I have an electric tractor.

I expect I will never have one. But who cares about tractors? We could easily achieve all our climate change targets and keep using diesel tractors.


Quote:

Take fossil fuels away now and your standard of living will nosedive.

It would be expensive to make a sudden and massive change, but no-one is proposing that. We have had about 5 decades of warning. You keep inventing idiotic strawmen and gleefully shooting them down, but all you are really doing is being evasive. People are already choosing electric vehicles - not because of climate change, not because of peak oil, but because they are cheaper to run. Your nosediving standard of living is a moronic fantasy.


Bobby. wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:06pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 11:09am: Quote: In today's The West Australian, former consumer regulator Allan Fels says that if the war goes on for longer than 6 weeks (as I'm sure it will) then the government will have to do something - like price controls and petrol rationing. Why would it have to do that? So that workers have enough petrol to get to work and back?   :-/

Rationing would not achieve that Bobby. It would do the opposite.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 5:29am:

Use this site to find your local petrol prices: https://petrolspy.com.au/map/latlng/-37.814107/144.96328 You can see it's around $2.40 per litre for U98. It was $1.89 last week - so a big jump from all the war profiteering.

Hang on, weren't you just posting praise for your DL for bringing the price of gas down to $1.99 a gallon?

That was less than two weeks ago.

What say you now?

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:22pm:

Quote: I expect it will be decades until I have an electric tractor. I expect I will never have one. But who cares about tractors? We could easily achieve all our climate change targets and keep using diesel tractors.

Whoa!!


Sooooo..  how far exactly is this 'energy TRANSITION'  wheeze is going?


No, no, no, dont tell me it's ....the mythical unicorn of 'net zero'.

A gretaesque slogan.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 5:29am: Use this site to find your local petrol prices: https://petrolspy.com.au/map/latlng/-37.814107/144.96328 You can see it's around $2.40 per litre for U98. It was $1.89 last week - so a big jump from all the war profiteering. Hang on, weren't you just posting praise for your DL for bringing the price of gas down to $1.99 a gallon? That was less than two weeks ago. What say you now?

Our DL said not to worry.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/trump-rising-gas-prices-during-iran-operation-if-they-rise-they-rise-2026-03-05/


WASHINGTON, March 5 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Thursday he was not concerned about rising U.S. gas prices driven by the widening Iran conflict, telling Reuters ​in an exclusive interview that the U.S. military operation was his priority.

"I don't have any concern about it," he said, when asked about the higher prices at ‌the pump.
"They'll drop very rapidly when this is over, and if they rise, they rise,
but this is far more important than having gasoline prices go up a little bit."

FD,

Quote:

Rationing would not achieve that Bobby. It would do the opposite.

Really - I'll have to put my Velcro, instead of laces shoes on,
and walk everywhere.    :-/

Quote:

"I don't have any concern about it," he said, when asked about the higher prices at ‌the pump. "They'll drop very rapidly when this is over, and if they rise, they rise, but this is far more important than having gasoline prices go up a little bit."

Just so.

Freediver is confused.
The figures re EVs are crystal clear.

Without  subsidies , none would be sold.
They require coal or gas to be burnt at night to make the electricity to recharge them


If you have a 5 yo petrol car and want to help reduce your carbon emissions the absolute best thing to do is to keep driving it.

If you switch it out for a tesla or a byd it is 10 years before the carbon used to produce that car is nullified.

And by 10 yrs, the battery is shot.

EVs make virtually no difference unless you make them incredibly light and therefore quite dangerous in a crash.
China is going that route .
Australia probably will not.
Out roads require a heavier more robust vehicle

Frank wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 9:07am:

freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:44am: Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:38am: So what happened to Chris Bowel's Glorious Energy Transition? Note that Iran is targeting neighbouring oil refineries and gas ports, NOT wind and solar farms. Why? The world runs on fossil fuels?  Shurely shome mishtake. Because a centralised system makes it more vulnerable to attack. Why is Australia's energy supply is centralised elsewhere? Why isnt Australia, energy superpower, self reliant for every form of energy?  What madness has made Australia import 90% of its fuel? What Gretaesque madness rationalised such stupidity?

Why? Because you, Rupert and the Libs have been bleating away about how awful renewable energy is for the past thirty years, dear. That's why.

What grotesque madness made you krap away about nuclear energy and nationalised coal-fired power stations while our energy infrastructure was rusting away and passing its use-by date?

Why, after 30 years of Tory obstructionism, have Australians been quietly putting solar panels on their rooftops, the biggest rooftop solar uptake in the world? Why, in the city all those Libs conspired in, have we been able to install a solar farm powerful enough to run our nation's capital, generating enough solar energy for half a million people?

I'll tell you why, dear boy. Because most of us, despite your distraction, hissy fits and culture wars, have begun the transition without you. And do you know? We twigged we can't do it with the Libs in power, so we all made a collective decision at the last election to throw them out for good.

It's not your country, old boy. You couldn't give a pickled herring. But the rest of us are more than happy to put in the effort without you.

And you?

You'll always be free - free to go straight right back to where you came from.

Freeeeeedom, innit.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 7:07pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 9:07am: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:44am: Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:38am: So what happened to Chris Bowel's Glorious Energy Transition? Note that Iran is targeting neighbouring oil refineries and gas ports, NOT wind and solar farms. Why? The world runs on fossil fuels?  Shurely shome mishtake. Because a centralised system makes it more vulnerable to attack. Why is Australia's energy supply is centralised elsewhere? Why isnt Australia, energy superpower, self reliant for every form of energy?  What madness has made Australia import 90% of its fuel? What Gretaesque madness rationalised such stupidity? Why? Because you, Rupert and the Libs have been bleating away about how awful renewable energy is for the past thirty years, dear. That's why. What grotesque madness made you krap away about nuclear energy and nationalised coal-fired power stations while our energy infrastructure was rusting away and passing its use-by date? Why, after 30 years of Tory obstructionism, have Australians been quietly putting solar panels on their rooftops, the biggest rooftop solar uptake in the world? Why, in the city all those Libs conspired in, have we been able to install a solar farm powerful enough to run our nation's capital, generating enough solar energy for half a million people? I'll tell you why, dear boy. Because most of us, despite your distraction, hissy fits and culture wars, have begun the transition without you. And do you know? We twigged we can't do it with the Libs in power, so we all made a collective decision at the last election to throw them out for good. It's not your country, old boy. You couldn't give a pickled herring. But the rest of us are more than happy to put in the effort without you. And you? You'll always be free - free to go straight right back to where you came from. Freeeeeedom, innit.

Thank you Greta.

You are out of your mind, as ever.

Nobody, not even you think that you have addressed the questions. You retard will simply regurgitate the same shite no matter what the question.

Morons, robots, bots, blathering grimacing pakis.

Frank wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:31pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 6:22pm: Quote: I expect it will be decades until I have an electric tractor. I expect I will never have one. But who cares about tractors? We could easily achieve all our climate change targets and keep using diesel tractors. Whoa!! Sooooo..  how far exactly is this 'energy TRANSITION'  wheeze is going? No, no, no, dont tell me it's ....the mythical unicorn of 'net zero'. A gretaesque slogan.

You know that net zero by 2050, or some later decade, is not the same thing as abandoning fossil fuels now. It is not even the same thing as abandoning fossil fuels. Or tractors. Does every discussion you have about climate change descend into people patiently trying to explain to you how your idiotic fantasies differ from reality? Or do you think you could figure that out for yourself?

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 7:48pm:

You know that net zero by 2050, or some later decade, is not the same thing as abandoning fossil fuels now. I

First of all you would need to make solar panels and wind turbines without fossil fuels.

And burying solar panels and turbine blades merely adds to the environmental costs. ::)

lee wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:05pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 7:48pm: You know that net zero by 2050, or some later decade, is not the same thing as abandoning fossil fuels now. I First of all you would need to make solar panels and wind turbines without fossil fuels. And burying solar panels and turbine blades merely adds to the environmental costs. ::)

Lee, no one other than Frank was suggesting we abandon fossil fuels now. The whole point was that it was just an idiotic fantasy on his part.

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:07pm:

Lee, no one other than Frank was suggesting we abandon fossil fuels now. T

maybe you should check on Blackout Bowen. ;)

lee wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:21pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:07pm: lee wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:05pm: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 7:48pm: You know that net zero by 2050, or some later decade, is not the same thing as abandoning fossil fuels now. I First of all you would need to make solar panels and wind turbines without fossil fuels. And burying solar panels and turbine blades merely adds to the environmental costs. ::) Lee, no one other than Frank was suggesting we abandon fossil fuels now. The whole point was that it was just an idiotic fantasy on his part. maybe you should check on Blackout Bowen. ;)

Why? Do you share Frank's fantasy?

Why is it that climate "sceptics" always end up being the most gullible?

Frank wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 7:14pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 7:07pm: Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 9:07am: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:44am: Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:38am: So what happened to Chris Bowel's Glorious Energy Transition? Note that Iran is targeting neighbouring oil refineries and gas ports, NOT wind and solar farms. Why? The world runs on fossil fuels?  Shurely shome mishtake. Because a centralised system makes it more vulnerable to attack. Why is Australia's energy supply is centralised elsewhere? Why isnt Australia, energy superpower, self reliant for every form of energy?  What madness has made Australia import 90% of its fuel? What Gretaesque madness rationalised such stupidity? Why? Because you, Rupert and the Libs have been bleating away about how awful renewable energy is for the past thirty years, dear. That's why. What grotesque madness made you krap away about nuclear energy and nationalised coal-fired power stations while our energy infrastructure was rusting away and passing its use-by date? Why, after 30 years of Tory obstructionism, have Australians been quietly putting solar panels on their rooftops, the biggest rooftop solar uptake in the world? Why, in the city all those Libs conspired in, have we been able to install a solar farm powerful enough to run our nation's capital, generating enough solar energy for half a million people? I'll tell you why, dear boy. Because most of us, despite your distraction, hissy fits and culture wars, have begun the transition without you. And do you know? We twigged we can't do it with the Libs in power, so we all made a collective decision at the last election to throw them out for good. It's not your country, old boy. You couldn't give a pickled herring. But the rest of us are more than happy to put in the effort without you. And you? You'll always be free - free to go straight right back to where you came from. Freeeeeedom, innit. Thank you Greta. You are out of your mind, as ever. Nobody, not even you think that you have addressed the questions. You retard will simply regurgitate the same shite no matter what the question. Morons, robots, bots, blathering grimacing pakis.

Take that, leftards.

Him no speaka da English, innit.

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:27pm:

lee wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:21pm: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:07pm: lee wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:05pm: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 7:48pm: You know that net zero by 2050, or some later decade, is not the same thing as abandoning fossil fuels now. I First of all you would need to make solar panels and wind turbines without fossil fuels. And burying solar panels and turbine blades merely adds to the environmental costs. ::) Lee, no one other than Frank was suggesting we abandon fossil fuels now. The whole point was that it was just an idiotic fantasy on his part. maybe you should check on Blackout Bowen. ;) Why? Do you share Frank's fantasy? Why is it that climate "sceptics" always end up being the most gullible?

You haven't even read his last post, you poor old thing.

Lee says you can't make solar panels and wind turbines without using - ahem - coal.

So that's that. Better pack it in, leftards.

Lee said.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2026 at 5:17pm:

You need Jerry cans and a safe place to store it.

Blooby sleeps with it - in the closet.

Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2026 at 5:33pm:

Next - panic buying toilet paper... Tsk, tsk   ::) ::)

Good thing there was no shortage of pomegranates in your day, grandpa. 

Marla wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 3:49am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4th, 2026 at 5:17pm: You need Jerry cans and a safe place to store it. Blooby sleeps with it - in the closet.

many blessings beloved Marla,

there are those upon your world,
when they receive encouragement,
enlightenment, answers
they yet still choose to lament in " what if " scenarios ..
even after receiving the great news and reminders
of that which ye are capable of
carry on regardless as more knowledge regarding your predicament,
is revealed with so very much love.

namaste

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:27pm:

lee wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:21pm: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:07pm: lee wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:05pm: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 7:48pm: You know that net zero by 2050, or some later decade, is not the same thing as abandoning fossil fuels now. I First of all you would need to make solar panels and wind turbines without fossil fuels. And burying solar panels and turbine blades merely adds to the environmental costs. ::) Lee, no one other than Frank was suggesting we abandon fossil fuels now. The whole point was that it was just an idiotic fantasy on his part. maybe you should check on Blackout Bowen. ;) Why? Do you share Frank's fantasy? Why is it that climate "sceptics" always end up being the most gullible?

Ah yes.
Believe tim flannery.
It will never rain again.
Meanwhile central Australia records it's wettest decade ever
And all that plant growth soaks up the CO 2.


I think we  know who the gullible are.

Tell us about South Australia 1 hr battery
Tell us about pumped hydro  ;D ;D ;D

Increased Carbon Dioxide (CO₂): Plants thrive on CO₂, and higher concentrations in the atmosphere can boost plant growth. This is known as the "CO₂ fertilization effect." In some regions, this effect has been linked to a higher rate of plant photosynthesis and growth, especially in areas like northern latitudes, deserts, and tropical zones.
Warmer Temperatures: In some places, warming temperatures can lengthen growing seasons, particularly in colder regions. Warmer winters allow plants to grow longer into the year, which increases the amount of vegetation.
Land Use Changes: Some areas have seen an increase in forest cover or more green spaces due to changes in land use, conservation efforts, or agricultural practices that favor certain crops or vegetation types.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 7:47am:

freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:27pm: lee wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:21pm: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:07pm: lee wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:05pm: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 7:48pm: You know that net zero by 2050, or some later decade, is not the same thing as abandoning fossil fuels now. I First of all you would need to make solar panels and wind turbines without fossil fuels. And burying solar panels and turbine blades merely adds to the environmental costs. ::) Lee, no one other than Frank was suggesting we abandon fossil fuels now. The whole point was that it was just an idiotic fantasy on his part. maybe you should check on Blackout Bowen. ;) Why? Do you share Frank's fantasy? Why is it that climate "sceptics" always end up being the most gullible? Ah yes. Believe tim flannery. It will never rain again. Meanwhile central Australia records it's wettest decade ever And all that plant growth soaks up the CO 2. I think we  know who the gullible are. Tell us about South Australia 1 hr battery Tell us about pumped hydro  ;D ;D ;D

Why did you suggest I "check on" Bowen? Just dribbling onto your keyboard?

freediver wrote on Mar 5^th, 2026 at 1:44pm:

There is no "Brisbane price" for petrol. Look around.

It was an average of all the servos displaying prices on Petrol Spy.

So I did have a look around.

I wasn't posting the price at every damned servo. ::)

https://petrolspy.com.au/map/latlng/-27.4710107/153.0234489

lee wrote on Mar 5^th, 2026 at 4:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 12:38pm: Why is fuel cheaper here - 3 1/2 hrs nrth of Brisbane? Because like here 3 hours south of Perth, it is too far for the city folks to drive. ;)

So the fuel companies are being benevolent to those of us in the regions?

Yeah nah .....  ;) ;)

Jasin wrote on Mar 5^th, 2026 at 4:25pm:

Filled up at $1.71 unleaded 91 today. Not saying where. We don't need people from Perth coming here and making a queue.

They'd defeat the purpose driving any considerable distance to fuel up for 40 cents cheaper.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 5:29am:

Use this site to find your local petrol prices: https://petrolspy.com.au/map/latlng/-37.814107/144.96328 You can see it's around $2.40 per litre for U98. It was $1.89 last week - so a big jump from all the war profiteering.

98 has not been been lower than $1.98 for months.

91 is above $2.00 to $2.20 in Brisbane today.

E10 is even $2.16 at BP Ipswich Road Moorooka.

It's outright profiteering.

Carl D wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 7:08am:

whiteknight wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 3:31am: On Thursday, federal Treasurer Jim Chalmers said motorists should not be taken for mugs by the fuel companies ;D ;D ;D Newsflash for you, Jim - motorists have been taken for mugs by fuel companies for as long as I can remember. Every time the price of oil went up, the price of petrol at the bowser went up almost immediately but if the price of oil dropped it would take them up to a week or more to reduce the price of petrol (if they even bothered to reduce it at all). Motorists have also been taken for mugs by the government who, despite their fake concern, are more than happy to see fuel prices go up and up because of the extra fuel tax they get (which is worked out as a percentage of each litre sold - currently about 50%, so I believe). I don't know about everywhere else but here in WA the fuel companies cannot change the price for 24 hours. So, once they "decide" on the price for each day it has to stay the same from 'midnight to midnight'. Before then, the price used to change several times a day (probably depending on how busy they were) and it used to go up by about 15 to 20 cents a litre every Friday lunchtime like clockwork so the fuel companies could rip off motorists filling up on Friday afternoons/evenings for the weekend. Mugs indeed. As I said a few days ago - I'm glad I don't have a car anymore.

Not just the fuel companies - the Govt is taking us for mugs..... they get their excise of 51.6 cents per litre for every litre of petrol and diesel sold.

That's a ridiculous rate.

How would you like to be paying that rate of income tax.

Never mind you are also being charged GST for the fuel as well.

The same applies to huge govt excise charged on beer & wine.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 9:52am:

Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 9:30am: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 9:10am: Because we want to be rich, not self sufficient. Go weave your own baskets if that's what you want. ;D ;D ;D So being energy self-sufficient in the 21st century is now hippy dippy 60s basket weaving! NOT shipping it out and then shipping it back, rather than refining it here would make us poorer. You have caught what TGD has, fd. You silly Billy: Google AI: Australia has oil reserves, but they are limited, holding only about 0.3% of the world's total reserves. While there is domestic production (mostly offshore in the Northern Carnarvon, Roebuck, and Gippsland basins), Australia imports around 90% of its refined fuel needs, relying on a strategic reserve to manage supply. Key Details on Australian Oil: Reserves: As of 2023, Australia had 7,551 PJ (1,312 million barrels) of proven and probable (2P) oil reserves. Production: In 2023, Australia produced 747,020 TJ of crude oil. Location: Most oil is found offshore in the Northern Carnarvon, Roebuck, and Gippsland basins, with some onshore production in the Cooper-Eromanga region. Consumption & Import: Due to limited local refining capacity, Australia imports a vast majority of its petroleum products. Fuel Security: As of March 2026, Australia holds roughly 32–36 days of fuel in stock, with the government purchasing additional reserves stored in the United States. Although rich in other resources like coal and natural gas, Australia is not a major oil-producing nation.

BS - there are oil & gas operations in SW QLD & NE Sth Aust.

It's in the Eromanga & Cooper Basins.

Ever heard of Moomba?

Not your silly Melbourne festival.

It's been producing oil & gas since 1969 - 57 years.


Quote:

The Moomba pipeline network primarily transports natural gas from the Cooper Basin in South Australia to major demand centers in eastern Australia. The system splits into two main branches: the Moomba-Adelaide Pipeline System (MAPS) delivering to Adelaide, Port Pirie, Whyalla, and Angaston, and the Moomba-Sydney Pipeline (MSP) serving Sydney, Newcastle, Wollongong, and Canberra. Key details about the Moomba pipeline system: Moomba-Adelaide Pipeline System (MAPS): A 1,184 km system operated by Epic Energy that carries gas from the Moomba processing plant to Adelaide, with branches to regional SA centers. Moomba-Sydney Pipeline (MSP): A 2,081 km pipeline operated by APA Group transporting gas to the NSW capital and surrounding regional areas. Moomba-Sydney Ethane Pipeline (MSEP): A 2,000 km pipeline carrying ethane from Moomba to a petrochemical plant at Botany in Sydney. Liquid Pipeline: A 659 km pipeline moves liquids (condensate, LPG) from Moomba to Port Bonython for export. Interconnections: The system connects with the QSN Link to bring gas from Queensland's Bowen-Surat Basin into the network. These pipelines are critical, supplying the bulk of natural gas for industrial and residential use in South Australia, New South Wales, and the ACT.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 2:52pm:

Energy security is economic security And fossil fuels are what has created most of the wealth we take for granted.

100%

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 4:08pm:

You could say the same about food. If you go back far enough, over 90% of the economy was geared towards producing food. But now it is about 1%. Energy is following the same trend. It's now somewhere between 1% and 4% of the economy. People have created the wealth. And Australia is a net oil exporter. If there ever is an oil crunch, we will benefit. It is not the refineries that will be in short supply. This is really nothing more than people searching for something to pointlessly fret about. All the economies we fear overpowering us are the ones exporting cars and ipads.

No you can't - everything you enjoy in your life - including wealth - is down to fossil fuels.

Gnads wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 8:45am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 5:29am: Use this site to find your local petrol prices: https://petrolspy.com.au/map/latlng/-37.814107/144.96328 You can see it's around $2.40 per litre for U98. It was $1.89 last week - so a big jump from all the war profiteering. 98 has not been been lower than $1.98 for months. 91 is above $2.00 to $2.20 in Brisbane today. E10 is even $2.16 at BP Ipswich Road Moorooka. It's outright profiteering.

Indeed.

Home brew, black market cigies. Next - backyard refineries.  :P

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 7:07pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 9:07am: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:44am: Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:38am: So what happened to Chris Bowel's Glorious Energy Transition? Note that Iran is targeting neighbouring oil refineries and gas ports, NOT wind and solar farms. Why? The world runs on fossil fuels?  Shurely shome mishtake. Because a centralised system makes it more vulnerable to attack. Why is Australia's energy supply is centralised elsewhere? Why isnt Australia, energy superpower, self reliant for every form of energy?  What madness has made Australia import 90% of its fuel? What Gretaesque madness rationalised such stupidity? Why? Because you, Rupert and the Libs have been bleating away about how awful renewable energy is for the past thirty years, dear. That's why. What grotesque madness made you krap away about nuclear energy and nationalised coal-fired power stations while our energy infrastructure was rusting away and passing its use-by date? Why, after 30 years of Tory obstructionism, have Australians been quietly putting solar panels on their rooftops, the biggest rooftop solar uptake in the world? Why, in the city all those Libs conspired in, have we been able to install a solar farm powerful enough to run our nation's capital, generating enough solar energy for half a million people? I'll tell you why, dear boy. Because most of us, despite your distraction, hissy fits and culture wars, have begun the transition without you. And do you know? We twigged we can't do it with the Libs in power, so we all made a collective decision at the last election to throw them out for good. It's not your country, old boy. You couldn't give a pickled herring. But the rest of us are more than happy to put in the effort without you. And you? You'll always be free - free to go straight right back to where you came from. Freeeeeedom, innit.

Who has been subsidising the cheap solar systems & now with batteries being made available?

You - the taxpayer that's who.

My first 6kw system cost around $25,000 in 20 10/11 - do you think I have made my money back?

The system was barely 5 years old & it became less efficient & by the time it was replaced after a hail storm in 2022(11 years old) I was receiving electricity bills around $300 a quarter for at least 2 years when I shouldn't have been paying any.

The replacement 6 kw system now installed sees me in credit an extra $200  every quarter.

After recently claiming $2,000 from my credits, leaving $700 in the account I am now back in credit $1,524.

It still hasn't got that first system I paid $25,000 for anywhere near balanced back after 15 years.

Gnads wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 8:45am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 5:29am: Use this site to find your local petrol prices: https://petrolspy.com.au/map/latlng/-37.814107/144.96328 You can see it's around $2.40 per litre for U98. It was $1.89 last week - so a big jump from all the war profiteering. 98 has not been been lower than $1.98 for months. 91 is above $2.00 to $2.20 in Brisbane today. E10 is even $2.16 at BP Ipswich Road Moorooka. It's outright profiteering.

It's big money for a petrol station to make an extra 50 cents per litre.
Greed has taken over.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 9:40am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 8:45am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 5:29am: Use this site to find your local petrol prices: https://petrolspy.com.au/map/latlng/-37.814107/144.96328 You can see it's around $2.40 per litre for U98. It was $1.89 last week - so a big jump from all the war profiteering. 98 has not been been lower than $1.98 for months. 91 is above $2.00 to $2.20 in Brisbane today. E10 is even $2.16 at BP Ipswich Road Moorooka. It's outright profiteering. It's big money for a petrol station to make an extra 50 cents per litre. Greed has taken over.

Well what did you think was going to happen when the Govt gets 51.6 cents for every litre sold?

Govt excise should be no more than 10 cents.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 7:07pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 9:07am: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:44am: Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:38am: So what happened to Chris Bowel's Glorious Energy Transition? Note that Iran is targeting neighbouring oil refineries and gas ports, NOT wind and solar farms. Why? The world runs on fossil fuels?  Shurely shome mishtake. Because a centralised system makes it more vulnerable to attack. Why is Australia's energy supply is centralised elsewhere? Why isnt Australia, energy superpower, self reliant for every form of energy?  What madness has made Australia import 90% of its fuel? What Gretaesque madness rationalised such stupidity? Why? Because you, Rupert and the Libs have been bleating away about how awful renewable energy is for the past thirty years, dear. That's why.

:D :D :D

You are talking idiotic nonsense AGAIN, son of Lahore.


The question is not about renrewables, but about the source of fuel and why Austealia is not refining its own fuels.
Also, why is there gas shortage? Why is energy expensive?

Government policies by the Uniparty.

Gnads wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 9:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 9:40am: Gnads wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 8:45am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 5:29am: Use this site to find your local petrol prices: https://petrolspy.com.au/map/latlng/-37.814107/144.96328 You can see it's around $2.40 per litre for U98. It was $1.89 last week - so a big jump from all the war profiteering. 98 has not been been lower than $1.98 for months. 91 is above $2.00 to $2.20 in Brisbane today. E10 is even $2.16 at BP Ipswich Road Moorooka. It's outright profiteering. It's big money for a petrol station to make an extra 50 cents per litre. Greed has taken over. Well what did you think was going to happen when the Govt gets 51.6 cents for every litre sold? Govt excise should be no more than 10 cents.

The fuel excise is supposed to go to building roads but
it's placed straight into consolidated revenue and
then we have to pay tolls for roads.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 10:16am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 9:43am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 9:40am: Gnads wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 8:45am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 5:29am: Use this site to find your local petrol prices: https://petrolspy.com.au/map/latlng/-37.814107/144.96328 You can see it's around $2.40 per litre for U98. It was $1.89 last week - so a big jump from all the war profiteering. 98 has not been been lower than $1.98 for months. 91 is above $2.00 to $2.20 in Brisbane today. E10 is even $2.16 at BP Ipswich Road Moorooka. It's outright profiteering. It's big money for a petrol station to make an extra 50 cents per litre. Greed has taken over. Well what did you think was going to happen when the Govt gets 51.6 cents for every litre sold? Govt excise should be no more than 10 cents. The fuel excise is supposed to go to building roads but it's placed straight into consolidated revenue and then we have to pay tolls for roads.

Toll roads would solve the problem but govts sold them off to private enterprise, turning them into money making machines for shareholders.

FD is probably one.

Registration is supposed to be for the roads.

Gnads wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 8:33am:

freediver wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 1:44pm: There is no "Brisbane price" for petrol. Look around. It was an average of all the servos displaying prices on Petrol Spy. So I did have a look around. I wasn't posting the price at every damned servo. ::) https://petrolspy.com.au/map/latlng/-27.4710107/153.0234489

You don't pay the average Brisbane price, any more than you pay the average state price. You pay the actual price at the servo where you fill up, and if the price bothers you, it is a very simple matter to fill up when you pass a cheap one. If you shop around, you would probably end up paying less in Brisbane.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:13pm:

Take fossil fuels away now and your standard of living will nosedive.

Who said anything about doing that?

Gnads wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 8:36am:

lee wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 4:06pm: Gnads wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 12:38pm: Why is fuel cheaper here - 3 1/2 hrs nrth of Brisbane? Because like here 3 hours south of Perth, it is too far for the city folks to drive. ;) So the fuel companies are being benevolent to those of us in the regions? Yeah nah .....  ;) ;)

Diesel $1.79 where I normally shop, last Thursday. Of course cheaper rents, Fewer stations help. ::)

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:27pm:

Why is it that climate "sceptics" always end up being the most gullible?

Did you see Roger (the Dodger) Cook, Premier of WA is now talking about building gas plant to replace coal? Fossil fuel to fossil fuel, although less CO2. ;)

Are petrol stations price gouging?.  Yes Treasurer Chalmers you are right to say, don't take Australian drivers for mugs.   :( 

whiteknight wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 1:15pm:

Yes Treasurer Chalmers you are right to say, don't take Australian drivers for mugs.

Yes. Why be that specific? Just take all Australians for mugs. ;)

whiteknight wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 1:15pm:

Are petrol stations price gouging?.  Yes Treasurer Chalmers you are right to say, don't take Australian drivers for mugs.   :(

But they are. They don't care if the price is 60c cheaper everywhere else. The solution is not to demand the government intervene, but to use your own brain. That's what it's there for.

Gnads wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 9:37am:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 7:07pm: Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 9:07am: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:44am: Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:38am: So what happened to Chris Bowel's Glorious Energy Transition? Note that Iran is targeting neighbouring oil refineries and gas ports, NOT wind and solar farms. Why? The world runs on fossil fuels?  Shurely shome mishtake. Because a centralised system makes it more vulnerable to attack. Why is Australia's energy supply is centralised elsewhere? Why isnt Australia, energy superpower, self reliant for every form of energy?  What madness has made Australia import 90% of its fuel? What Gretaesque madness rationalised such stupidity? Why? Because you, Rupert and the Libs have been bleating away about how awful renewable energy is for the past thirty years, dear. That's why. What grotesque madness made you krap away about nuclear energy and nationalised coal-fired power stations while our energy infrastructure was rusting away and passing its use-by date? Why, after 30 years of Tory obstructionism, have Australians been quietly putting solar panels on their rooftops, the biggest rooftop solar uptake in the world? Why, in the city all those Libs conspired in, have we been able to install a solar farm powerful enough to run our nation's capital, generating enough solar energy for half a million people? I'll tell you why, dear boy. Because most of us, despite your distraction, hissy fits and culture wars, have begun the transition without you. And do you know? We twigged we can't do it with the Libs in power, so we all made a collective decision at the last election to throw them out for good. It's not your country, old boy. You couldn't give a pickled herring. But the rest of us are more than happy to put in the effort without you. And you? You'll always be free - free to go straight right back to where you came from. Freeeeeedom, innit. Who has been subsidising the cheap solar systems & now with batteries being made available? You - the taxpayer that's who. My first 6kw system cost around $25,000 in 20 10/11 - do you think I have made my money back? The system was barely 5 years old & it became less efficient & by the time it was replaced after a hail storm in 2022(11 years old) I was receiving electricity bills around $300 a quarter for at least 2 years when I shouldn't have been paying any. The replacement 6 kw system now installed sees me in credit an extra $200  every quarter. After recently claiming $2,000 from my credits, leaving $700 in the account I am now back in credit $1,524. It still hasn't got that first system I paid $25,000 for anywhere near balanced back after 15 years.

There you go, leftards. Gonads has gone solar.

No worries. What's the bet Aquascoot runs the farm on horse shit?

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 10:14am:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 7:07pm: Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 9:07am: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:44am: Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:38am: So what happened to Chris Bowel's Glorious Energy Transition? Note that Iran is targeting neighbouring oil refineries and gas ports, NOT wind and solar farms. Why? The world runs on fossil fuels?  Shurely shome mishtake. Because a centralised system makes it more vulnerable to attack. Why is Australia's energy supply is centralised elsewhere? Why isnt Australia, energy superpower, self reliant for every form of energy?  What madness has made Australia import 90% of its fuel? What Gretaesque madness rationalised such stupidity? Why? Because you, Rupert and the Libs have been bleating away about how awful renewable energy is for the past thirty years, dear. That's why.   :D :D :D You are talking idiotic nonsense AGAIN, son of Lahore. The question is not about renrewables, but about the source of fuel and why Austealia is not refining its own fuels. Also, why is there gas shortage? Why is energy expensive? Government policies by the Uniparty.

Apology accepted, old boy.

Oil has gone from $60 a barrel to over $90 a barrel in one week:

https://oilprice.com/

We're doomed.

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:07pm:

lee wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:05pm: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 7:48pm: You know that net zero by 2050, or some later decade, is not the same thing as abandoning fossil fuels now. I First of all you would need to make solar panels and wind turbines without fossil fuels. And burying solar panels and turbine blades merely adds to the environmental costs. ::) Lee, no one other than Frank was suggesting we abandon fossil fuels now. The whole point was that it was just an idiotic fantasy on his part.

I am not the one holding up signs of 'end coal NOW' or 'No Oil', not the one slashing art works or organising school strikes for climate.

Net zero is an empty slogan. Most of the climate panic kids do mean the complete end of fossik fuels. It is the climate catasotrophy fantasists who are totally confused and talking crap/cross purposes.

Energy TRANSITION. Does that mean fossil fuels at 60% of current use? 40%? 10%? Zero?  100% renewable - is that 50% gas?


The climate catasptrophy narrative is like a bloody Pat and Mike cross talk act after 3 pints. The People's Climate Liberation Front versus the Climate Liberation Front of the People versus the Climate Front People of the Liberation.

Pimply blue haired weasels overshouting each other.

Quote:

I am not the one holding up signs of 'end coal NOW'

But that is the fantasy you choose to address instead of reality.

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 5:34pm:

But that is the fantasy you choose to address instead of reality.

Nope, that is a function of the new, university educated. And they allow them the vote. ::)

lee wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 5:37pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 5:34pm: But that is the fantasy you choose to address instead of reality. Nope, that is a function of the new, university educated. And they allow them the vote. ::)

No it isn't Lee. It is a reflection of the gullibility of climate 'sceptics'. They can't even figure out what they are supposed to be sceptical of.

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 7:39pm:

lee wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 5:37pm: freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 5:34pm: But that is the fantasy you choose to address instead of reality. Nope, that is a function of the new, university educated. And they allow them the vote. ::) No it isn't Lee. It is a reflection of the gullibility of climate 'sceptics'. They can't even figure out what they are supposed to be sceptical of.

I would see you as gaslighting climate sceptics.
There is plenty to be sceptical about.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 7:59pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 7:39pm: lee wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 5:37pm: freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 5:34pm: But that is the fantasy you choose to address instead of reality. Nope, that is a function of the new, university educated. And they allow them the vote. ::) No it isn't Lee. It is a reflection of the gullibility of climate 'sceptics'. They can't even figure out what they are supposed to be sceptical of. I would see you as gaslighting climate sceptics. There is plenty to be sceptical about.

If only you could figure out what it is instead of directing your efforts at idiotic fantasies.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 2:22pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 9:37am: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 7:07pm: Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 9:07am: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:44am: Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:38am: So what happened to Chris Bowel's Glorious Energy Transition? Note that Iran is targeting neighbouring oil refineries and gas ports, NOT wind and solar farms. Why? The world runs on fossil fuels?  Shurely shome mishtake. Because a centralised system makes it more vulnerable to attack. Why is Australia's energy supply is centralised elsewhere? Why isnt Australia, energy superpower, self reliant for every form of energy?  What madness has made Australia import 90% of its fuel? What Gretaesque madness rationalised such stupidity? Why? Because you, Rupert and the Libs have been bleating away about how awful renewable energy is for the past thirty years, dear. That's why. What grotesque madness made you krap away about nuclear energy and nationalised coal-fired power stations while our energy infrastructure was rusting away and passing its use-by date? Why, after 30 years of Tory obstructionism, have Australians been quietly putting solar panels on their rooftops, the biggest rooftop solar uptake in the world? Why, in the city all those Libs conspired in, have we been able to install a solar farm powerful enough to run our nation's capital, generating enough solar energy for half a million people? I'll tell you why, dear boy. Because most of us, despite your distraction, hissy fits and culture wars, have begun the transition without you. And do you know? We twigged we can't do it with the Libs in power, so we all made a collective decision at the last election to throw them out for good. It's not your country, old boy. You couldn't give a pickled herring. But the rest of us are more than happy to put in the effort without you. And you? You'll always be free - free to go straight right back to where you came from. Freeeeeedom, innit. Who has been subsidising the cheap solar systems & now with batteries being made available? You - the taxpayer that's who. My first 6kw system cost around $25,000 in 20 10/11 - do you think I have made my money back? The system was barely 5 years old & it became less efficient & by the time it was replaced after a hail storm in 2022(11 years old) I was receiving electricity bills around $300 a quarter for at least 2 years when I shouldn't have been paying any. The replacement 6 kw system now installed sees me in credit an extra $200  every quarter. After recently claiming $2,000 from my credits, leaving $700 in the account I am now back in credit $1,524. It still hasn't got that first system I paid $25,000 for anywhere near balanced back after 15 years. There you go, leftards. Gonads has gone solar. No worries. What's the bet Aquascoot runs the farm on horse shit?

More then happy to use solar during the day.

Now explain how I can store all that solar energy so I can use it at night , recharge my cars at night when I aren't using them

You can't.

Unless you want to mine the whole planet to make batteries.

Without a breakthrough in power storage,, we will be reliant on fossil fuels or nuclear to power the world after 6 pm,

Quote:

Now explain how I can store all that solar energy so I can use it at night , recharge my cars at night when I aren't using them You can't.

;D

Oh look, a climate skeptic who has never heard of batteries, pumped hydro etc.


Quote:

Unless you want to mine the whole planet to make batteries.

Did I mention idiotic fantasies?

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 5:34pm:

Quote: I am not the one holding up signs of 'end coal NOW' But that is the fantasy you choose to address instead of reality.

Not a fantasy. On the news every other day.  Are you pushing the idiotic line that we must not take the Gretas, the Mohammeds, the Ayatollas and Abdel Fatahs at their word??


What is the korrekt translation of 'just end oil'? or 'death to Amerikkka'? or 'where's the Jews'?

Quote:

Not a fantasy. On the news every other day.

No it isn't. Are you high?

I am saying we should not take you seriously, because you keep tripping over your own idiotic fantasies.

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 8:04pm:

Quote: Now explain how I can store all that solar energy so I can use it at night , recharge my cars at night when I aren't using them You can't. ;D Oh look, a climate skeptic who has never heard of batteries, pumped hydro etc. [quote]Unless you want to mine the whole planet to make batteries.

Did I mention idiotic fantasies?[/quote]


Batteries  :D

South Australia battery cost 190 million.
I can supply 150 MW hours.
Average use in SA per night is over 1000 MW. :D

Cost per KW hour for South Australia. 40 cents.
Japan. 25 cents.
China 10 cents.


Energy security is economic security

Are you trying to say you don't know how to interpret numbers, but you can manage slogans?

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 8:10pm:

Quote: Not a fantasy. On the news every other day. No it isn't. Are you high? I am saying we should not take you seriously, because you keep tripping over your own idiotic fantasies.

Phasing out fossil fuels - what does that mean?

It is Greens policy.

Phasing out the Victorian use of fossil fuels using a combination of energy efficiency, energy storage, energy conservation and renewable energy.
Supply
Rapid transition to 100% renewable energy, while ensuring a reliable and stable electricity grid through sound engineering and planning




Stop dribbling, fd.

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 8:46pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 8:10pm: Quote: Not a fantasy. On the news every other day. No it isn't. Are you high? I am saying we should not take you seriously, because you keep tripping over your own idiotic fantasies. Phasing out fossil fuels - what does that mean? It is Greens policy. Phasing out the Victorian use of fossil fuels using a combination of energy efficiency, energy storage, energy conservation and renewable energy. Supply Rapid transition to 100% renewable energy, while ensuring a reliable and stable electricity grid through sound engineering and planning Stop dribbling, fd.

Indeed frank.

The qld government under  labor ran ads extolling the virtues of the coal industry and how the royalties paid for schools and hospitals.


As if burning it in China or Japan was fine as the CO 2 would stay in the northern hemisphere  :-[

whiteknight wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 1:15pm:

Are petrol stations price gouging?.  Yes Treasurer Chalmers you are right to say, don't take Australian drivers for mugs.   :(

Yesterday here in fascist America gas was $2.31/gallon now it's $3.49.





MAGA! :D

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 8:46pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 8:10pm: Quote: Not a fantasy. On the news every other day. No it isn't. Are you high? I am saying we should not take you seriously, because you keep tripping over your own idiotic fantasies. Phasing out fossil fuels - what does that mean?

Like I keep saying, can you figure it out for yourself?

Marla wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 7:55am:

whiteknight wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 1:15pm: Are petrol stations price gouging?.  Yes Treasurer Chalmers you are right to say, don't take Australian drivers for mugs.   :(  Yesterday here in fascist America gas was $2.31/gallon now it's $3.49.

https://i.etsystatic.com/58182068/r/il/0e498e/6724232166/il_340x270.6724232166_od7l.jpg

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 5:32pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:07pm: lee wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 8:05pm: freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2026 at 7:48pm: You know that net zero by 2050, or some later decade, is not the same thing as abandoning fossil fuels now. I First of all you would need to make solar panels and wind turbines without fossil fuels. And burying solar panels and turbine blades merely adds to the environmental costs. ::) Lee, no one other than Frank was suggesting we abandon fossil fuels now. The whole point was that it was just an idiotic fantasy on his part. I am not the one holding up signs of 'end coal NOW' or 'No Oil', not the one slashing art works or organising school strikes for climate.

Just so. You're the one snatching headscarves off little old ladies' heads and screaming SEND THEM BACK while the temperature soars and the fires and floods get worse each year.

You're one of Rupert's little agitators, helping to divide, distract and keep the price of fossil fuels rising.

After all, when they go low, you go high, no?

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 8:46pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 8:10pm: Quote: Not a fantasy. On the news every other day. No it isn't. Are you high? I am saying we should not take you seriously, because you keep tripping over your own idiotic fantasies. Phasing out fossil fuels - what does that mean? It is Greens policy.

It is German policy.

Deutschland uber alles, nein?

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 10:29am:

Frank wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 8:46pm: freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 8:10pm: Quote: Not a fantasy. On the news every other day. No it isn't. Are you high? I am saying we should not take you seriously, because you keep tripping over your own idiotic fantasies. Phasing out fossil fuels - what does that mean? It is Greens policy. It is German policy. Deutschland uber alles, nein?

They are not laffing now.

It has been a disaster in Germany and Europe generally.  And the Uniparty want to emulate the 'sophisticated' Europeans.
Ludicrous.




Germany’s over reliance on intermittent renewable energy sources like wind and solar has led to an energy crisis, exacerbated by the phenomenon of Dunkelflaute (periods of no wind or sunlight).

Electricity prices in Germany are the highest in Europe, reaching €900/MWh during crises, compared to €250/MWh in nuclear-powered France.

The hasty phase-out of nuclear power in 2011 has left Germany dependent on coal, lignite and energy imports, making it the second-largest CO2 emitter per unit of energy in Europe.

Industries, including major players like VW and BASF, are relocating due to unsustainable energy costs, threatening Germany’s economic stability.

The crisis has created geopolitical tensions, with neighboring countries facing unaffordable energy prices and considering withdrawing from energy agreements.

Reality check: Wind and solar already cost less than half the price of coal power, and a third that of nuclear. And the gap is rapidly widening. Even with storage it is still cheaper.

tallowood wrote on Mar 4^th, 2026 at 6:06pm:

Horses and rickshaws will come back.

A horse typically needs to consume 600kg of hay per month for a 1000kg horse.

Hay prices in Australia as of early 2026 vary significantly by region and type, with high demand driving costs up to $400–$500 per tonne for premium fodder in drought-affected areas.

You can find car cost (without fuel) here
https://www.savings.com.au/car-loans/ongoing-car-costs

Horses are better deal.

It's now $2.90 where I am. Finally jumped.

Jasin wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 10:58am:

It's now $2.90 where I am. Finally jumped.

Wow - highest here is $2.44  today.

https://petrolspy.com.au/map/latlng/-37.815412749365215/144.9635148166733

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 10:47am:

Reality check: Wind and solar already cost less than half the price of coal power, and a third that of nuclear. And the gap is rapidly widening. Even with storage it is still cheaper.

Strange. The old boy says it is LUDICROUS. A DISASTER. An ENERGY CRISIS !!!

When all along, territories and states like the ACT and South Australia have been quietly getting on with the job, using the sun and the wind, just as God wills it.

Insh'allah, the ACT are already there. SA are currently on track to be fully renewable by 2027.

So that's what God wants. Rupert and the old boy, both foreigners, have other ideas.

DRILL BABY DRILL !!!

tallowood wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 10:48am:

tallowood wrote on Mar 4th, 2026 at 6:06pm: Horses and rickshaws will come back. A horse typically needs to consume 600kg of hay per month for a 1000kg horse. Hay prices in Australia as of early 2026 vary significantly by region and type, with high demand driving costs up to $400–$500 per tonne for premium fodder in drought-affected areas. You can find car cost (without fuel) here https://www.savings.com.au/car-loans/ongoing-car-costs Horses are better deal.

I know, but they also need a few carrots and Lebanese cucumbers, carefully sliced and packed in a Tupperware lunchbox by their long-suffering fillies.

Food for thought, no?

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2026 at 8:44pm:

Are you trying to say you don't know how to interpret numbers, but you can manage slogans?

SEND THEM BACK !!!

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 10:47am:

Reality check: Wind and solar already cost less than half the price of coal power, and a third that of nuclear. And the gap is rapidly widening. Even with storage it is still cheaper.

What storage   ::) ::) ::)

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 12:33pm:

When all along, territories and states like the ACT and South Australia have been quietly getting on with the job, using the sun and the wind, just as God wills it

yet another "wrong" answer.

The only reason the ACT boats about being fully renewable is because it buys "green credits", although they may not be necessarily green. ;)

The only reason for SA is because they have the interconnector from Victoria. and that is a mix of all energy types. Brown coal included. ::)

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 12:41pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 10:47am: Reality check: Wind and solar already cost less than half the price of coal power, and a third that of nuclear. And the gap is rapidly widening. Even with storage it is still cheaper. What storage   ::) ::) ::)

Pumped hydro is cheapest for long term energy storage (or better yet, just save the conventional hydro for peak demand). Lithium batteries are the cheapest for short term storage (ie, daily cycles). It is even cheaper if you use both systems in combination, running hydro for longer periods (eg a week) and charging batteries from that to cope with intra-day demand fluctuations.

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 1:18pm:

Pumped hydro is cheapest for long term energy storage (or better yet, just save the conventional hydro for peak demand).

At how many billion dollars? Snowy 2.0 is slated for 350MWh. East coast electricity consumption is about 225GWh pa,  225x10³/365 days= about 616MWh, so enough for 1.76 days. Cheap innit. ::)

So how much more hydro at what cost for running hydro for a week? The cost for Snowy2 is now $20 billion.

Charging batteries for intraday fluctuations? Not happening in a dunkelflate. ::)

Just had to wait over 30 minutes in line at a regional QLD petrol station as it appeared that the entire town and out laying farmland was trying to purchase petrol.
I paid $2.49 a litre for ulp 91. Diesel was nudging $3.


I remarked to the lady at the counter she must be run off her feet and she agreed but said it will be only a day or so before they run dry and she will be out of work.

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 1:42pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 1:18pm: Pumped hydro is cheapest for long term energy storage (or better yet, just save the conventional hydro for peak demand). At how many billion dollars? Snowy 2.0 is slated for 350MWh. East coast electricity consumption is about 225GWh pa,  225x103/365 days= about 616MWh, so enough for 1.76 days. Cheap innit. ::) So how much more hydro at what cost for running hydro for a week? The cost for Snowy2 is now $20 billion.

Tasmania has the cheapest electricity in Australia - because hydro is so cheap. We are adding a second trunk connection from Tasmania to the east coast grid. And it is even better than storage.


Quote:

Charging batteries for intraday fluctuations? Not happening in a dunkelflate. ::)

You did not understand the point - that you can charge batteries from stored hydro power. So yes, you can do that. That was pretty much the whole point of my explanation, and it went right over your had, because you do not want to understand. No only can you do it, but it works out cheaper than stored hydro or lithium batteries used in isolation. Instead of me explaining the same thing over and over again just go back and read what I wrote the first time.

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 2:28pm:

Tasmania has the cheapest electricity in Australia - because hydro is so cheap.

It is so cheap that Tasmania hasn't built any new ones.

The Cethana pumped storage hasn't been approved and no costings on how "cheap" it will be.


freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 2:28pm:

And it is even better than storage.

See above.


freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 2:28pm:

You did not understand the point - that you can charge batteries from stored hydro power.

But Snowy2 has explicitly said they will not do that.

"It will provide flexible, on-demand power while reusing or ‘recycling’ the water in a closed loop and maximise the efficiency of renewables by using excess solar and wind energy to pump water to the higher dam, to be stored for later use."

But then of course if they did do that. that is electricity not available to the grid out of that 1.76 days. ::)

https://www.snowyhydro.com.au/snowy-20/about/


freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 2:28pm:

Instead of me explaining the same thing over and over again just go back and read what I wrote the first time.

i have explained the above point before, and you still don't understand it. ::)

*

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 1:06pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 12:33pm: When all along, territories and states like the ACT and South Australia have been quietly getting on with the job, using the sun and the wind, just as God wills it yet another "wrong" answer. The only reason the ACT boats about being fully renewable is because it buys "green credits", although they may not be necessarily green. ;) The only reason for SA is because they have the interconnector from Victoria. and that is a mix of all energy types. Brown coal included. ::)

The ACT is powered by 100% renewable energy, dear.

South Australia is currently at 72%, as per our previously-posted evidence.

So no, not "wrong", categorically proven. No matter how many lies you try, you can't possibly win.

How does it feeeeeel?

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 2:28pm:

lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 1:42pm: freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 1:18pm: Pumped hydro is cheapest for long term energy storage (or better yet, just save the conventional hydro for peak demand). At how many billion dollars? Snowy 2.0 is slated for 350MWh. East coast electricity consumption is about 225GWh pa,  225x103/365 days= about 616MWh, so enough for 1.76 days. Cheap innit. ::) So how much more hydro at what cost for running hydro for a week? The cost for Snowy2 is now $20 billion. Tasmania has the cheapest electricity in Australia - because hydro is so cheap. We are adding a second trunk connection from Tasmania to the east coast grid. And it is even better than storage.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 12:41pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 10:47am: Reality check: Wind and solar already cost less than half the price of coal power, and a third that of nuclear. And the gap is rapidly widening. Even with storage it is still cheaper. What storage   ::) ::) ::)

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 3:31pm:

The ACT is powered by 100% renewable energy, dear.

So what you are saying is that the ACT is NOT connected to the east coast grid. ::)

"The National Electricity Market (NEM) is comprised of five physically connected regions on the east coast of Australia:

    Queensland
    New South Wales (which includes the ACT)
    Victoria
    Tasmania
    South Australia"

https://www.aemc.gov.au/energy-system/electricity/electricity-system/NEM

"Electricity prices in the Canberra, ACT have been volatile, with costs rising in recent years despite strong renewable generation."

https://www.solarchoice.net.au/energy/electricity-rebates/act/

Nothing there about 100% renewables.

"Some electricity accounting methodologies, such as the market-based method used by Climate Active, recognise the proportion of the ACT Government's commitment that has been matched with the ACT Government’s surrender of renewable energy certificates. This is termed the Jurisdictional Renewable Power Percentage (JRPP) and in 2024 this was 79.51%. The JRPP for 2025 has yet not been released."

https://www.greenpower.gov.au/get-greenpower/buying-greenpower-australian-capital-territory

Nor there.

"When you add a Greenchoice fee to your electricity bill, you contribute to the purchase of renewable electricity from government-accredited sources, including wind power, biomass, hydro and solar."

https://www.actewagl.com.au/sustainability/greenchoice

Nor there.

So perhaps you can tell us how they switch off the fossil fuelled part of the grid. Just too dumb to do your own research. ::)

Quote:

It is so cheap that Tasmania hasn't built any new ones.

Exactly. Low prices indicate an oversupply. They kind of went overboard a while back when every premier wanted a dam named after him.


Quote:

But Snowy2 has explicitly said they will not do that.

Duh. How can it use hydro to power lithium batteries if there are no lithium batteries as part of the project?

But there is nothing stopping anyone else with connected lithium battery storage from using it on an intra-day basis while snowy 2 is running. Welcome to the wonders of the free market.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 3:31pm:

lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 1:06pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 12:33pm: When all along, territories and states like the ACT and South Australia have been quietly getting on with the job, using the sun and the wind, just as God wills it yet another "wrong" answer. The only reason the ACT boats about being fully renewable is because it buys "green credits", although they may not be necessarily green. ;) The only reason for SA is because they have the interconnector from Victoria. and that is a mix of all energy types. Brown coal included. ::) The ACT is powered by 100% renewable energy, dear. South Australia is currently at 72%, as per our previously-posted evidence. So no, not "wrong", categorically proven. No matter how many lies you try, you can't possibly win. How does it feeeeeel?

An accounting trick.

The ACT is connected to the National Electricity Market (NEM) with NSW, QLD, VIC, SA, and TAS.
That means:
Electricity in the wires is the general grid mix (coal, gas, hydro, wind, solar).
At any given moment, the power used in Canberra might come from coal or gas plants elsewhere. �
ABC News
The ACT’s renewable generators are often located in other states and feed power into the same grid. �
ABC News
Think of it like this:
The grid is a big pool of electricity.
The ACT pays to put in as much renewable energy as it takes out, but the electrons themselves mix.

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 3:59pm:

Low prices indicate an oversupply. They kind of went overboard a while back when every premier wanted a dam named after him.

So overboard they had to import.


freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 3:59pm:

Duh. How can it use hydro to power lithium batteries if there are no lithium batteries as part of the project?

Nothing to do with solar and wind. ;)


freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 3:59pm:

But there is nothing stopping anyone else with connected lithium battery storage from using it on an intra-day basis while snowy 2 is running.

Ah adding another layer of electricity use into the mix. Down, down the projected take off goes up means the amount of supply goes down. ::)

That's not an accounting trick Scoot. That's sharing the power lines.

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:04pm:

That's not an accounting trick Scoot. That's sharing the power lines.

So how do they get rid of the fossil fuelled portion of the power line?

It is an accounting trick. "Buy green credits - it becomes "green power".

Freediver might need a spare trillion. And let's not forget their are enough rare earth minerals for the world o do this  ::) ::)  ::)

Australia consumes roughly 700,000 MWh (700 GWh) of electricity per day. �
Reddit
Night is roughly half a day, so covering just nighttime demand would require roughly:
≈350 GWh of storage
2️⃣ Cost of enough batteries for overnight power
Grid-scale lithium batteries currently cost roughly $250–400 million per GWh of storage (depending on project size and duration). �
X (formerly Twitter)
Rough calculation
If we assume $300 million per GWh:
Required storage: 350 GWh
Cost per GWh: $300 million
Total cost ≈ $105 billion
So just to cover one night of electricity demand:
➡️ About $100–120 billion.
But that’s not the whole story.
3️⃣ The real problem: multiple cloudy / windless days
Energy systems can’t rely on just one night of storage, because sometimes:
Wind drops for days
Solar is weak in winter
Weather systems cover large regions
Energy planners usually model 3–5 days of storage.
If Australia wanted 5 days of storage
Daily demand:
700 GWh/day
Five days:
3,500 GWh storage
Cost:
3,500 GWh × $300M/GWh
= ≈ $1 trillion
And batteries last about 10–15 years, meaning they’d need ongoing replacement. �

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:04pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 3:59pm: Low prices indicate an oversupply. They kind of went overboard a while back when every premier wanted a dam named after him. So overboard they had to import.

Tasmania is a net electricity exporter, but it works both ways. When electricity is cheaper on the mainland due to renewable energy being so cheap (less than half the price of coal, 1/3 the price of nuclear), they import. Sometimes the east coast electricity price goes negative and we actually pay the Tasmanians to take our electricity. Then when there is high demand on the east coast pushing prices up, Tasmania runs the hydro plants and exports more renewable energy.

The wonders of the free market. All that cheap renewable electricity getting shared around. It must make your blood boil, having to search so hard for something to whine about.

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:04pm:

That's not an accounting trick Scoot. That's sharing the power lines.

Incorrect, they build a solar farm in qld, pump power into the grid at midday when we already have too much, then pay to suck back on fossil fuels at night and declare they are 100 % renewable.


Accounting trick.

If it's not, let's see them disconnect from the grid  :D :D ;D

https://au.news.yahoo.com/driver-accused-of-ridiculous-act-at-aussie-petrol-station-amid-dire-supply-warning-020257049.html


Fuel prices soar to $4 per litre in regional towns
Fuel prices are already starting to soar to nearly $4 per litre in some remote parts of Australia, with fears it will climb higher.


Remote parts of the Northern Territory, including Ramingining, 560 km east of Darwin in Arnhem Land, are currently paying $3.99 per litre for diesel.

Another community in Arnhem Land, Milingimbi are also paying $3.95 per litre.

Cities are yet to be hit as badly with service stations across Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane charging almost $2.20 a litre.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:11pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:04pm: That's not an accounting trick Scoot. That's sharing the power lines. Incorrect, they build a solar farm in qld, pump power into the grid at midday when we already have too much, then pay to suck back on fossil fuels at night and declare they are 100 % renewable. Accounting trick. If it's not, let's see them disconnect from the grid  :D :D ;D

That's not what your copy and paste job says. Did you read it?

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:09pm:

All that cheap renewable electricity getting shared around. It must make your blood boil, having to search so hard for something to whine about.

You forgot the fossil fuelled electricity that is shared all over the grid too. But you don't want to mention that. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:12pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:11pm: freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:04pm: That's not an accounting trick Scoot. That's sharing the power lines. Incorrect, they build a solar farm in qld, pump power into the grid at midday when we already have too much, then pay to suck back on fossil fuels at night and declare they are 100 % renewable. Accounting trick. If it's not, let's see them disconnect from the grid  :D :D ;D That's not what your copy and paste job says. Did you read it?

Certainly did.

It said they are connected to the grid so that at night they can use all those lovely electrons created by fossil fuels in other states

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:30pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:09pm: All that cheap renewable electricity getting shared around. It must make your blood boil, having to search so hard for something to whine about. You forgot the fossil fuelled electricity that is shared all over the grid too. But you don't want to mention that. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I am not the one looking for something to whine about when wind and solar cost less than half the price of coal, and less than a third the price of nuclear, and we are putting in a second main trunk to Tasmania so we can take advantage of their cheap, despatchable hydro as well.

This has all been explained to you countless times before, but still you trot out the same old erroneous complaints.


Quote:

Certainly did.

Not the bit you actually copied scoot. Either you left that bit out, or you are confused again. You left out both the link, and the relevant information, if it even exists.

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 3:54pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 3:31pm: The ACT is powered by 100% renewable energy, dear. So what you are saying is that the ACT is NOT connected to the east coast grid. ::) "The National Electricity Market (NEM) is comprised of five physically connected regions on the east coast of Australia:     Queensland     New South Wales (which includes the ACT)     Victoria     Tasmania     South Australia" https://www.aemc.gov.au/energy-system/electricity/electricity-system/NEM "Electricity prices in the Canberra, ACT have been volatile, with costs rising in recent years despite strong renewable generation." https://www.solarchoice.net.au/energy/electricity-rebates/act/ Nothing there about 100% renewables. "Some electricity accounting methodologies, such as the market-based method used by Climate Active, recognise the proportion of the ACT Government's commitment that has been matched with the ACT Government’s surrender of renewable energy certificates. This is termed the Jurisdictional Renewable Power Percentage (JRPP) and in 2024 this was 79.51%. The JRPP for 2025 has yet not been released." https://www.greenpower.gov.au/get-greenpower/buying-greenpower-australian-capital-territory Nor there. "When you add a Greenchoice fee to your electricity bill, you contribute to the purchase of renewable electricity from government-accredited sources, including wind power, biomass, hydro and solar." https://www.actewagl.com.au/sustainability/greenchoice Nor there. So perhaps you can tell us how they switch off the fossil fuelled part of the grid. Just too dumb to do your own research. ::)

Why my poor dear fellow, I've shown you already!

Just think, you could have spent your time doing something productive -  learning a new language, playing a musical instrument, going out and starting a business.

But no, the chodes never learn.

Aquascoot said.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:01pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 3:31pm: lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 1:06pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 12:33pm: When all along, territories and states like the ACT and South Australia have been quietly getting on with the job, using the sun and the wind, just as God wills it yet another "wrong" answer. The only reason the ACT boats about being fully renewable is because it buys "green credits", although they may not be necessarily green. ;) The only reason for SA is because they have the interconnector from Victoria. and that is a mix of all energy types. Brown coal included. ::) The ACT is powered by 100% renewable energy, dear. South Australia is currently at 72%, as per our previously-posted evidence. So no, not "wrong", categorically proven. No matter how many lies you try, you can't possibly win. How does it feeeeeel? An accounting trick. The ACT is connected to the National Electricity Market (NEM) with NSW, QLD, VIC, SA, and TAS. That means: Electricity in the wires is the general grid mix (coal, gas, hydro, wind, solar). At any given moment, the power used in Canberra might come from coal or gas plants elsewhere. � ABC News The ACT’s renewable generators are often located in other states and feed power into the same grid. � ABC News Think of it like this: The grid is a big pool of electricity. The ACT pays to put in as much renewable energy as it takes out, but the electrons themselves mix.

Mixed electrons, is it?

Oh-er, sounds a bit rude.

SEND THEM BACK !!!

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:34pm:

lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:30pm: freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:09pm: All that cheap renewable electricity getting shared around. It must make your blood boil, having to search so hard for something to whine about. You forgot the fossil fuelled electricity that is shared all over the grid too. But you don't want to mention that. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I am not the one looking for something to whine about when wind and solar cost less than half the price of coal, and less than a third the price of nuclear, and we are putting in a second main trunk to Tasmania so we can take advantage of their cheap, despatchable hydro as well. This has all been explained to you countless times before, but still you trot out the same old erroneous complaints. Quote: Certainly did. Not the bit you actually copied scoot. Either you left that bit out, or you are confused again. You left out both the link, and the relevant information, if it even exists.

Aquascoot hasn't learned to post a link the whole time he's been here, poor thing.

When one Googles the contents, one nearly always discovers the exact opposite of what he's posted.

A cautionary tale indeed.

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:34pm:

I am not the one looking for something wo whine about when wind and solar cost less than half the price of coal, and less than a third the price of nuclear, and we are putting in a second main trunk to Tasmania so we can take advantage of their cheap, despatchable hydro as well.

And when solar and wind give about 25% capacity factor. ;)

And then the land required needed.

"Long story short, matching the accredited capacity of one natural gas plant sitting on 58 acres of land with solar in 2030 would require over 105,792 acres of solar panels, roughly 29% of the total land area of Cerro Gordo County."

The River City Energy Project is a 500 megawatt (MW) solar farm proposed by Ranger Power in Cerro Gordo County, Iowa. If approved, the total project site would be 2,894 acres, most of it on farmland, equating to an average of 5.8 acres per MW of installed capacity.

In contrast, the Emery Generating Station, a nearby CC natural gas plant also located in Cerro Gordo County, has a total rated capacity of 602.8 MW and sits on a total of around 58 acres. Including the power plant and the parking lot, land use for this CC plant equates to 0.096 acres per MW of installed capacity.

This means the proposed Ranger Power solar facility would require 60 times more land per MW than a CC natural gas plant of equal size.

...

The low capacity value attributed to solar using the DLOL metric would necessitate 19.29 acres of solar panels for one MW of accredited capacity in the 2025-2026 planning year, compared to 0.14 acres for a combined cycle natural gas plant. In 2030 and 2033, it would require 257.24 acres of solar panels for one MW of accredited capacity, growing to 578.80 acres in 2043.

In comparison, natural gas would require 0.14 acres, 0.14, and 0.14 acres in 2030, 2033, and 2043, respectively.
https://energybadboys.substack.com/p/solars-land-use-problem-is-much-worse

Panels age they will all need to be replace eventually. Just more landfill. And solar panels are less effective in summer, because of temperature across the junction.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:40pm:

Why my poor dear fellow, I've shown you already!

You have shown nothing. merely made a claim by a politician.

from your reference -

"The ACT is connected to the national energy grid, so we can source some of our renewable electricity supply from other parts of Australia."

So connected to the grid, full of that beastly fossil fuelled energy. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:45pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:34pm: I am not the one looking for something wo whine about when wind and solar cost less than half the price of coal, and less than a third the price of nuclear, and we are putting in a second main trunk to Tasmania so we can take advantage of their cheap, despatchable hydro as well. And when solar and wind give about 25% capacity factor. ;)

This has also been explained to you. Many times. The fact that wind and solar are cheaper than coal and nuclear by more than a factor of 2 and 3 is based on the actual costs and amounts generated.

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:54pm:

The fact that wind and solar are cheaper than coal and nuclear by more than a factor of 2 and 3 is based on the actual costs and amounts generated.

As long as you disregard environmental costs. Less than 0.1 acre per MW of natural gas plant, 5.79 acres per MW of solar panels. ;)

The world has moved on from LCOE to Full cost.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:01pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 3:31pm: lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 1:06pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 12:33pm: When all along, territories and states like the ACT and South Australia have been quietly getting on with the job, using the sun and the wind, just as God wills it yet another "wrong" answer. The only reason the ACT boats about being fully renewable is because it buys "green credits", although they may not be necessarily green. ;) The only reason for SA is because they have the interconnector from Victoria. and that is a mix of all energy types. Brown coal included. ::) The ACT is powered by 100% renewable energy, dear. South Australia is currently at 72%, as per our previously-posted evidence. So no, not "wrong", categorically proven. No matter how many lies you try, you can't possibly win. How does it feeeeeel? An accounting trick. The ACT is connected to the National Electricity Market (NEM) with NSW, QLD, VIC, SA, and TAS. That means: Electricity in the wires is the general grid mix (coal, gas, hydro, wind, solar). At any given moment, the power used in Canberra might come from coal or gas plants elsewhere. � ABC News The ACT’s renewable generators are often located in other states and feed power into the same grid. � ABC News Think of it like this: The grid is a big pool of electricity. The ACT pays to put in as much renewable energy as it takes out, but the electrons themselves mix.

From the link:

Since 2020, 100% of electricity in the ACT has come from renewable sources. The ACT will maintain this from now on.

Beg to differ? Sue the ACT government for false advertising.

In other news, Sky have ceased transmission to Lee's state of Western Australia.

So unfair!

poor karny. can't get past politicians lies. ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:50pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:40pm: Why my poor dear fellow, I've shown you already! You have shown nothing. merely made a claim by a politician.

A politician?

Energy in the ACT is legislated under the law. My link references the Energy Efficiency (Cost of Living) Improvement Act 2012.

Don't like it? Join Aquascoot in his class action.

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 5:11pm:

poor karny. can't get past politicians lies. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Let's see the ACT disconnect from the national grid if it REALLY doesn't want to burn coal and gas at night  :D

Frank wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 10:44am:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 10:29am: Frank wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 8:46pm: freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 8:10pm: Quote: Not a fantasy. On the news every other day. No it isn't. Are you high? I am saying we should not take you seriously, because you keep tripping over your own idiotic fantasies. Phasing out fossil fuels - what does that mean? It is Greens policy. It is German policy. Deutschland uber alles, nein? They are not laffing now. It has been a disaster in Germany and Europe generally.  And the Uniparty want to emulate the 'sophisticated' Europeans. Ludicrous.

Oh, ja. The Väterland clearly has a long way to go. But before you pack your bags and go back, just remember which country is closest to your heart, dear boy.

It's currently tracking at 82% renewable energy.

One can never go home, no?

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 5:17pm:

lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 5:11pm: poor karny. can't get past politicians lies. ;D ;D ;D ;D Let's see the ACT disconnect from the national grid if it REALLY doesn't want to burn coal and gas at night  :D

No no, for once in your life, let's hear you finally speak the truth.

100% renewable energy.

Say it.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 5:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 5:17pm: lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 5:11pm: poor karny. can't get past politicians lies. ;D ;D ;D ;D Let's see the ACT disconnect from the national grid if it REALLY doesn't want to burn coal and gas at night  :D No no, for once in your life, let's hear you finally speak the truth. 100% renewable energy. Say it.

Myself and Donny are allowed to fib but you arent :)



1. The ACT’s “100% renewable electricity” claim
The ACT government buys enough renewable generation through contracts to match its total annual electricity use. These contracts are mainly with wind and solar farms around Australia.
Examples include wind farms in NSW, SA, and Victoria. Because of these agreements, the ACT can say its electricity is 100% renewable on a yearly accounting basis.
However, this does not mean the physical electricity at every moment is renewable.
2. What actually happens at night
At night:
Solar farms produce zero power
Wind farms may produce some power
The ACT is connected to the National Electricity Market (NEM) through NSW.
So when local renewable output is low, electricity flowing into Canberra can include:
Coal generation from NSW
Gas generation

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 3:54pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 3:31pm: The ACT is powered by 100% renewable energy, dear. So what you are saying is that the ACT is NOT connected to the east coast grid. ::) "The National Electricity Market (NEM) is comprised of five physically connected regions on the east coast of Australia:     Queensland     New South Wales (which includes the ACT)     Victoria     Tasmania     South Australia" https://www.aemc.gov.au/energy-system/electricity/electricity-system/NEM "Electricity prices in the Canberra, ACT have been volatile, with costs rising in recent years despite strong renewable generation." https://www.solarchoice.net.au/energy/electricity-rebates/act/ Nothing there about 100% renewables. "Some electricity accounting methodologies, such as the market-based method used by Climate Active, recognise the proportion of the ACT Government's commitment that has been matched with the ACT Government’s surrender of renewable energy certificates. This is termed the Jurisdictional Renewable Power Percentage (JRPP) and in 2024 this was 79.51%. The JRPP for 2025 has yet not been released." https://www.greenpower.gov.au/get-greenpower/buying-greenpower-australian-capital-territory Nor there. "When you add a Greenchoice fee to your electricity bill, you contribute to the purchase of renewable electricity from government-accredited sources, including wind power, biomass, hydro and solar." https://www.actewagl.com.au/sustainability/greenchoice Nor there. So perhaps you can tell us how they switch off the fossil fuelled part of the grid. Just too dumb to do your own research. ::)

Spot on.  [smiley=thumbup.gif]

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 3:59pm:

Quote: It is so cheap that Tasmania hasn't built any new ones. Exactly. Low prices indicate an oversupply. They kind of went overboard a while back when every premier wanted a dam named after him. [quote]But Snowy2 has explicitly said they will not do that.

Duh. How can it use hydro to power lithium batteries if there are no lithium batteries as part of the project?

But there is nothing stopping anyone else with connected lithium battery storage from using it on an intra-day basis while snowy 2 is running. Welcome to the wonders of the free market.

[/quote]

So far Snowy2 has blown out it's budget by by $billions over 12 now & staring down $20 billion by it s extended completion date to 2028.

If that isn't extended further. ::)

Your cheap renewables are a complete fallacy.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 5:15pm:

Energy in the ACT is legislated under the law. My link references the Energy Efficiency (Cost of Living) Improvement Act 2012.

And who enacted that law and its definitions? ::)

BTW - How does the Cost of Living Act translate to renewable energy?

The only mention in the Act on renewable energy is
"b) the cost of achieving the equivalent energy savings through
other means including energy efficiency measures and the
purchase of renewable energy" .

No mention of how to import renewable energy,  no mention of import at all. ::)

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 3:59pm:

Quote: It is so cheap that Tasmania hasn't built any new ones. Exactly. Low prices indicate an oversupply. They kind of went overboard a while back when every premier wanted a dam named after him. [quote]But Snowy2 has explicitly said they will not do that.

Duh. How can it use hydro to power lithium batteries if there are no lithium batteries as part of the project?

But there is nothing stopping anyone else with connected lithium battery storage from using it on an intra-day basis while snowy 2 is running. Welcome to the wonders of the free market.

[/quote]


Is that right?


Quote:

Tasmania imports electricity from the National Electricity Market (NEM) via the Basslink interconnector frequently, with its reliance on imports increasing in recent years due to dry conditions reducing hydro capacity. While designed as a two-way connector to export hydro energy, Tasmania has become a net importer in most of the last seven years, particularly in 2024, when it faced its lowest hydroelectric generation in two decades.

;D

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:09pm:

lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:04pm: freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 3:59pm: Low prices indicate an oversupply. They kind of went overboard a while back when every premier wanted a dam named after him. So overboard they had to import. Tasmania is a net electricity exporter, but it works both ways. When electricity is cheaper on the mainland due to renewable energy being so cheap (less than half the price of coal, 1/3 the price of nuclear), they import. Sometimes the east coast electricity price goes negative and we actually pay the Tasmanians to take our electricity. Then when there is high demand on the east coast pushing prices up, Tasmania runs the hydro plants and exports more renewable energy. The wonders of the free market. All that cheap renewable electricity getting shared around. It must make your blood boil, having to search so hard for something to whine about.

Wrong ---- a net importer for the last 7 years.

Perhaps they better build some more hydro to not generate power because of drought.  ;D

Oh, dear.

Just like toilet paper 6 years ago - if you tell people not to hoard something and there's no need to worry then what will they go straight out and do?

Yep, you guessed it.

Driver accused of 'ridiculous' act at Aussie petrol station amid dire supply warning


Quote:

Australian drivers have been accused of succumbing to petrol station panic as fuel prices rise amid fears about global oil supplies during the ongoing Middle East conflict. The cost of crude oil has surpassed $100 per barrel for the first time in more than three years, due to the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, a critical chokepoint for global energy supplies, in the Middle East. Now, Aussies are sounding the alarm as regional petrol stations begin to run dry across the country. In one clip, a ute is seen pulling out of a petrol station, accused of filling plastic tanks with hundreds of litres of fuel. It's understood the video was filmed at Riverstone Petroleum in Sydney's west. While some said they were "jealous" of the driver's huge stockpile of fuel, others accused the driver of exacerbating Australia's looming petrol shortage. "[People] are being ridiculous! Everyone needs to chill. Am I the only one not panic-buying?" asked one Aussie. Others suggested the driver may be a farmer, and this sort of purchase is common.

On top of the sheer stupidity and greed on display (just like toilet paper as I mentoned) there's also the safety issue here. I'm expecting to see more and more reports of house fires and explosions in the coming weeks and months with all this petrol being hoarded around the country.

Idiots.

---

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:40pm:

lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 3:54pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 3:31pm: The ACT is powered by 100% renewable energy, dear. So what you are saying is that the ACT is NOT connected to the east coast grid. ::) "The National Electricity Market (NEM) is comprised of five physically connected regions on the east coast of Australia:     Queensland     New South Wales (which includes the ACT)     Victoria     Tasmania     South Australia" https://www.aemc.gov.au/energy-system/electricity/electricity-system/NEM "Electricity prices in the Canberra, ACT have been volatile, with costs rising in recent years despite strong renewable generation." https://www.solarchoice.net.au/energy/electricity-rebates/act/ Nothing there about 100% renewables. "Some electricity accounting methodologies, such as the market-based method used by Climate Active, recognise the proportion of the ACT Government's commitment that has been matched with the ACT Government’s surrender of renewable energy certificates. This is termed the Jurisdictional Renewable Power Percentage (JRPP) and in 2024 this was 79.51%. The JRPP for 2025 has yet not been released." https://www.greenpower.gov.au/get-greenpower/buying-greenpower-australian-capital-territory Nor there. "When you add a Greenchoice fee to your electricity bill, you contribute to the purchase of renewable electricity from government-accredited sources, including wind power, biomass, hydro and solar." https://www.actewagl.com.au/sustainability/greenchoice Nor there. So perhaps you can tell us how they switch off the fossil fuelled part of the grid. Just too dumb to do your own research. ::) Why my poor dear fellow, I've shown you already! Just think, you could have spent your time doing something productive -  learning a new language, playing a musical instrument, going out and starting a business. But no, the chodes never learn. Aquascoot said.

Pretty simple even for a Patpong Bar Boy poker like you.

The ACT Govt buys green/renewable energy credits & tells the story(porky) they are powered by 100% renewable energy .....

which cannot be feasibly true whilst they remain connected to the National Grid.

Tell me how they get that renewable energy that is generated all over the country to the ACT for consumer consumption?

By B-Double road tankers?   ;D ;D

You should shut your purse Melania, pack up & piss off if you believe that nonsense about the ACT being powered by 100% renewable energy.

Carl D wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 6:02pm:

Oh, dear. Just like toilet paper 6 years ago - if you tell people not to hoard something and there's no need to worry then what will they go straight out and do? Yep, you guessed it. Driver accused of 'ridiculous' act at Aussie petrol station amid dire supply warning Quote: Australian drivers have been accused of succumbing to petrol station panic as fuel prices rise amid fears about global oil supplies during the ongoing Middle East conflict. The cost of crude oil has surpassed $100 per barrel for the first time in more than three years, due to the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, a critical chokepoint for global energy supplies, in the Middle East. Now, Aussies are sounding the alarm as regional petrol stations begin to run dry across the country. In one clip, a ute is seen pulling out of a petrol station, accused of filling plastic tanks with hundreds of litres of fuel. It's understood the video was filmed at Riverstone Petroleum in Sydney's west. While some said they were "jealous" of the driver's huge stockpile of fuel, others accused the driver of exacerbating Australia's looming petrol shortage. "[People] are being ridiculous! Everyone needs to chill. Am I the only one not panic-buying?" asked one Aussie. Others suggested the driver may be a farmer, and this sort of purchase is common. On top of the sheer stupidity and greed on display (just like toilet paper as I mentoned) there's also the safety issue here. I'm expecting to see more and more reports of house fires and explosions in the coming weeks and months with all this petrol being hoarded around the country. Idiots.

Those white containers are certainly not made for the storage of fuels.

He should have been challenged at the service station & sent packing.

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 5:51pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 5:15pm: Energy in the ACT is legislated under the law. My link references the Energy Efficiency (Cost of Living) Improvement Act 2012. And who enacted that law and its definitions? ::)

Oo!

Gnads wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 6:03pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 4:40pm: lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 3:54pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 3:31pm: The ACT is powered by 100% renewable energy, dear. So what you are saying is that the ACT is NOT connected to the east coast grid. ::) "The National Electricity Market (NEM) is comprised of five physically connected regions on the east coast of Australia:     Queensland     New South Wales (which includes the ACT)     Victoria     Tasmania     South Australia" https://www.aemc.gov.au/energy-system/electricity/electricity-system/NEM "Electricity prices in the Canberra, ACT have been volatile, with costs rising in recent years despite strong renewable generation." https://www.solarchoice.net.au/energy/electricity-rebates/act/ Nothing there about 100% renewables. "Some electricity accounting methodologies, such as the market-based method used by Climate Active, recognise the proportion of the ACT Government's commitment that has been matched with the ACT Government’s surrender of renewable energy certificates. This is termed the Jurisdictional Renewable Power Percentage (JRPP) and in 2024 this was 79.51%. The JRPP for 2025 has yet not been released." https://www.greenpower.gov.au/get-greenpower/buying-greenpower-australian-capital-territory Nor there. "When you add a Greenchoice fee to your electricity bill, you contribute to the purchase of renewable electricity from government-accredited sources, including wind power, biomass, hydro and solar." https://www.actewagl.com.au/sustainability/greenchoice Nor there. So perhaps you can tell us how they switch off the fossil fuelled part of the grid. Just too dumb to do your own research. ::) Why my poor dear fellow, I've shown you already! Just think, you could have spent your time doing something productive -  learning a new language, playing a musical instrument, going out and starting a business. But no, the chodes never learn. Aquascoot said. Pretty simple even for a Patpong Bar Boy poker like you. The ACT Govt buys green/renewable energy credits & tells the story(porky) they are powered by 100% renewable energy ..... which cannot be feasibly true whilst they remain connected to the National Grid. Tell me how they get that renewable energy that is generated all over the country to the ACT for consumer consumption?.

Tell you how? We already have.

If you can't peruse a simple link, dear, there's no hope for you.

This year, Australia's largest solar farm will be powered by Australia's largest battery.

Boo hoo, no?

---