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Title: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Yadda on Feb 24^th, 2026 at 4:51pm

85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.

Australia, 2026....It is a gansta paradise.

Not so ?

And our political class [our LAWMAKERS] are laughing [among themselves],
all the way to their special, polly 'Super' entitlements.

Its like good money......for old rope.

There is no accountability.......for failure.

Our political class [our LAWMAKERS], do not care.....about anyone except themselves.

They know it is true......and we know it is true.

Not so ?

Quote:

Police suspect human remains
belong to kidnapped man Chris Baghsarian

By Isabella Ross
By Phoebe Pin
By Ethan Rix
7h ago
2026-Feb-24 Tue

......
In short:

Human remains have been found in the search for abducted grandfather Chris Baghsarian.

The suspected remains of the 85-year-old,
who police say was mistakenly kidnapped,
were found near a golf club in Pitt Town in Sydney's north-west.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-24/human-remains-found-in-search-for-sydney-man-chris-baghsarian/106350124

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Post by Frank on Feb 24^th, 2026 at 6:42pm

The intended target?

Mr Stepanyan, 37, is the owner of multiple businesses, including streetwear brand Proper, which he said was “inspired by Sydney’s dynamic street scene and global fashion trends”.

On his website, which has since been shut for “maintenance”, Mr Stepanyan described himself as a “forward-thinking entrepreneur dedicated to building brands, creating opportunities, and inspiring the next generation of business leaders”.

“Whether through collaborations, mentorship, or new business ventures, Dimitri is always striving for the next big breakthrough,” the website read.

His streetwear brand, Proper, sells tshirts, shorts and accessories and features models with their faces pixelated.

Proper Streetwear is a popular brand among alleged members of the Alameddine crime network, including rapper Ali Younes - AKA Ay Huncho - whose former home in Merrylands was peppered with bullets in September 2025.

The phrase “never cross the family” is often featured on the clothing and is allegedly linked to the Alameddine network.

Stepanyan was sentenced to 10 years in prison for the armed robbery of Forestville RSL Club in 2009, where he stole more than $25,000.

He was released from prison in October 2016 after serving seven of his 10-year sentence.

Diverse vibrants monstering differently diverse vibrants.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Bobby. on Feb 24^th, 2026 at 8:06pm

Bring back 19th century British justice -

that will stop all the crime.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 24^th, 2026 at 9:58pm

Quote:

Alameddine crime network

The Alameddine crime network or Alameddine family is an Australian organised crime group that operates out of the Western Sydney suburb of Merrylands. The gang, led by Rafat Alameddine,[1] is allegedly one of the biggest drug-trafficking organisations in Sydney, with New South Wales Police declaring the organisation to have reportedly earned around $1 million in weekly profit at its peak.[2] Since October 2020, the Alameddines have grown to public notoriety in connection to an extended feud they became involved in with the Hamzy/Hamze crime family, the most dominant faction of the Brothers for Life organisation, within the Sydney gangland war of the early 2020s

Connection to the Curtis Cheng murder and links to Islamic extremism

In October 2015, Talal Alameddine, who was accused of supplying the firearm used in the fatal shooting of NSW Police accountant Curtis Cheng, was denied bail and scheduled to appear in court on 10 December of that year. His co-accused, Raban Alou, who was also charged in connection with the attack, remained in custody and faced the possibility of life imprisonment if convicted.[5]

During legal proceedings, Talal Alameddine implied the network having a connection to the Islamic State (ISIS) militant group, saying to officials: "my beard is for ISIS".[8]

A 2015 police report declared that Bilal Alameddine, then between 16 and 17 years of age, had attempted to fly to the Middle East to make his way to Syria to join ISIS.[9]

Alameddine member and associate Samimjan Azari is also reportedly related to Omarjan Azari, one of 19 men who were charged in 2014 with planning a mass beheading terrorist attack.[10]

On 11 December 2017, Mark Morri of The Daily Telegraph reported that terrorist Man Haron Monis had purchased the shotgun used in the Lindt Cafe siege from a "well-known Middle Eastern crime family" 48 hours before the attack.

Counter-terror police sting
From May to June 2017, an undercover police operation was commenced by the counter-terrorism unit targeting illicit weapons and drug supply.[15] An undercover police officer, dubbed 'M' in court documents, met with Bilal Alameddine and Samimjan Azari on five occasions. Across these get-togethers, Azari and Alameddine supplied officer 'M' with "seven firearms, including a shotgun, bolt-action rifle, lever-action rifle, and 507 grams of cocaine".

Brothers for Life infighting
In mid-to-late 2013, the Brothers for Life gang was in civil war, with the Lebanese Bankstown chapter and the Afghan Blacktown chapter engaging in tit-for-tat shootings.[21] As reported by The Daily Telegraph in November 2016, Masood Zakaria, despite being Afghani himself,[22] was a member of B4L's Bankstown crew at the time of the conflict. The faction of Brothers for Life which Masood was part of was led by Mohammad "Little Crazy" Hamzy,[21]

Marital ties with the Hamzy family
Tensions between the Alameddine and Hamzy families date back as far as the 1990s, when Mejida Hamzy chose to marry into the Alameddine family against her father Khaled's wishes.

Links with 2016–2017 gang war: Elmirs, Ahmads and Hamzys
In 2016, Sydney erupted into gang war with two other notorious families at the centre; the Elmirs, and the Ahmads.[41] The war began when Safwan Charbaji, a relative of Steven Elmir, was shot to death at a smash-repair shop by Walid 'Wally' Ahmad in April 2016.[42][4] Walid himself was then murdered later that month in Bankstown,

The 2022 Comanchero–Ahmad skirmish
In 2022, The Comanchero Motorcycle Club, who were close allies and business partners of the Alameddines through Mohammad 'Almo' Alameddine, and the Ahmads, close allies of the Hamzys, were involved in a 2-and-a-half week spat of shootings that saw three high-profile murders.[47]

Alameddine–Hamzy war (2020–2022)
On 9 June 2020, the home of Alameddine associate Shaylin Zreika was shot up in a drive-by shooting in Westmead.[52] It is unclear whether this shooting was related to any tensions with the Hamzys.

Relationship with the Haouchar crime family
The Daily Telegraph reported that Rafat Alameddine spent time as a younger man shadowing Bilal Haouchar, and learning the criminal trade under his guidance.[46] Bilal Hauochar is the boss of the Hauochar Crime Family- one of Sydney's biggest criminal enterprises

Heaps more here- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alameddine_crime_network

Cultural enrichment innit?

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Bobby. on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 6:49am

They got em.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-25/arrests-made-in-relation-to-chris-baghsarian-kidnapping-sydney/106383878

6 minutes ago:

Two men arrested over alleged kidnapping murder of Sydney grandfather Chris Baghsarian

Two men have been arrested in relation to the alleged kidnapping and murder of Sydney grandfather Chris Baghsarian.

The 85-year-old was abducted from his home in North Ryde on February 13 in a case of mistaken identity.

On Wednesday morning, a 29-year-old man in Kenhurst and a 24-year-old man in Castle Hill were arrested during raids at two separate addresses.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Bobby. on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 6:55am

cont:

The men were taken to Riverstone Police Station where they are undergoing questioning.

Charges have not been laid.

The arrests come less than 24 hours after police discovered human remains near a golf club in Pitt Town in the north-west fringes of Sydney, as the search for Mr Baghsarian reached its eleventh day.

Police said the remains were not able to be positively identified as of yet, but were suspected to belong to Ms Baghsarian.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Bobby. on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 7:05am

After a fair trial and a fair appeal -

hang em and hang em high:

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Yadda on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 7:17am

bobby,

I get little satisfaction from the information revealed in Reply #4 and Reply #5 .

All that many of us see in such reports, is yet another [public/social] 'dance' occurring.

And is this dance meant to satisfy us [ordinary Australians, the REAL Australians] ?

And i hear it reported on the radio news this morning,
that Albo and missus had to be evacuated from their official residence,
due to some nebulous threat against him and her.

.

The presence of the followers and the practitioners of ISLAM....here in Australia.

"Cultural enrichment innit?"

Indeed.
/sarc off

A pox on all their houses.

2 Timothy 3:13
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse,
deceiving, and being deceived.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Bobby. on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 7:22am

Hi Yadda,
it's just another sign of the End Times -

murder everywhere.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 10:27am

Bobby. wrote on Feb 24^th, 2026 at 8:06pm:

Bring back 19th century British justice -

that will stop all the crime.

Undoubtedly, just as it stopped all the crime in 19th Century Britain.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Yadda on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 10:46am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 10:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 24^th, 2026 at 8:06pm:

Bring back 19th century British justice -

that will stop all the crime.

Undoubtedly, just as it stopped all the crime in 19th Century Britain.

/sarc turned off

Sir Eoin O Fada,

Tell it to Dick Turpin [1705-1739] [a little earlier than the 1800's].

Quote:

Dick Turpin
....
Turpin may have followed his father's trade as a butcher early in his life but, by the early 1730s, he......became a poacher, burglar, horse thief, and killer.
....
On 22 March 1739, Turpin was found guilty on two charges of horse theft and sentenced to death.
He was hanged at Knavesmire on 7 April 1739.

- wiki

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Jasin on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 12:06pm

Nations with the Death Penalty have the highest crime rates.
Go figure.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Bobby. on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 12:14pm

Yadda,

Quote:

Dick Turpin

yes there are exceptions to the rule.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Sophia on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 12:34pm

So sad about this case, that poor man, a case of mistaken identity and wrong address.
It’s not the first time I’ve seen news reports of shootings etc and mistaken targeted persons.
But the police/detectives on this case have been brilliant with finding the guilty ones.
Still very sad ending for that elder gent :'(

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Bobby. on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:24pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

Bring back 19th century British justice -

the British knew what to do in their lawless colonies.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 6:55am:

What kind of Usual Suspect are they? No names? No 'police arrested two men of Skumkasian appearance' or anything?

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:36pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 6:55am:

What kind of Usual Suspect are they? No names? No 'police arrested two men of Skumkasian appearance' or anything?

Why would they describe the appearance of the suspects if they've already arrested them? :-/

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Sophia on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:56pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

You know, I was thinking that very thought after seeing a reporter go into the high security cell of the guy that did the Bondi killings.
Without a shadow of a doubt, totally guilty and yet being fed, etc
I thought he is a waste of space, why should he live? Why not have a death row here like in the States?
Mind you. The jail area looks very grim and highly secured with nothing anyone would call is living a life except just survive, it’s a miserable existence and punishment in itself, capital punishment/death to them would be a relief, so even though it bothers me our tax is paying for looking after them, it’s still a hell on earth while alive. The security guards showed area of maximum security lockups and how each prisoner would be yelling…. it’s their punishment, what do they expect, a social life in prison? Privileges? Smug when planning and committing a crime, not so smug now are they!

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:08pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

I agree 100%.

However, that doesn't justify the premeditated killing of restrained prisoners.

There is no crime or person - no matter how evil - that justifies a civilised society lowering themselves to that level.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Frank on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:18pm

One of them is a chunky swarthy
https://x.com/NoticerNews/status/2026475302919221484

The other is a skinny whitey

https://x.com/NoticerNews/status/2026475302919221484

So a fat wog and a skinny bogan, likely hired by the Alammedin gangster family, insh'allah.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Bobby. on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:08pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

So only criminals get to kill people? -

the State can't kill them?

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by freediver on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:23pm

That hardly sounds fair, hey Bobby?

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:24pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:08pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

So only criminals get to kill people? -

the State can't kill them?

Nobody should be committing premeditated killings.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:27pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:08pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

So only criminals get to kill people? -

the State can't kill them?

Do you also want the State to rape, steal, kidnap, terrorise, and deal in illicit drugs?

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Bobby. on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:32pm

freediver wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:23pm:

That hardly sounds fair, hey Bobby?

The criminals have more power than Judges -
they order killings and they take part in killings.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Frank on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:45pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:08pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

So only criminals get to kill people? -

the State can't kill them?

Nobody should be committing premeditated killings.

So you are against euthanasia? Abortion?

In any case, you 'argumemmt' against the deaath penalty is fallacious. You presume, without any justification, that the premise of your stance is beyond dispute, and then you just bang on and on, no matter what.

One of the BEST arguments for the death penalty is that iit takes the offender, his intentions and his act seriously, as an act of an equal who was and is fully in control of his own moral agency, choices and actions. There are well-recognised mitigating circumstances that are recognised as casuing diminished moral responsibility and to act otherwise. But if the capital offence is committed while in ful possession of moral and physical capacity, the death penalty is both necessary and even the only honourable course - honourable towards the victim, society and even the offender.

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Post by Sophia on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:08pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

So only criminals get to kill people? -

the State can't kill them?

Do you also want the State to rape, steal, kidnap, terrorise, and deal in illicit drugs?

Ummm… I think that’s already a given as our state (Vic) has shown merciless spending/wasting of tax payers money >:( and how for instance, land tax has been risen astronomically …my husbands work place, just last week the boss told him his land tax went from $50,000 per annum to $250,000 in a blink!
That’s got to hurt, and now I understand why many factory runs they serviced have closed down, the business is only just surviving with no profit.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:55pm

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:08pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

So only criminals get to kill people? -

the State can't kill them?

Nobody should be committing premeditated killings.

There is no "BEST argument" for the death penalty in a civilised society.

The premeditated killing of a restrained prisoner is barbaric, and merely lowers the executioners to the same level as that of sociopathic criminals.

So, I can completely understand why you would be in favour of it.

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Post by Sophia on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:08pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

So only criminals get to kill people? -

the State can't kill them?

Nobody should be committing premeditated killings.

The prisoners in high max security, had a choice to kill or not kill, so I wonder, (even though I reckon they can stay in a miserable cell for life, oh how the days must seem long!) since capital punishment is not within Australian laws, that these prisoners can be given a choice, a pill to end their own life?
It’s a choice and they chose to kill, so maybe extend the courtesy for them to do same?
But that’s a cop out. Why give that option … let them stay in that miserable existence.
Bet they never imagined how bad it would be when committing a crime?
More tv programmes should show it as it is, maybe excursions for young ones to see how unglam crime results are.
They do that in the states, have teens go in and prisoners talk to them about not making those mistakes.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:10pm

Sophia wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:08pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

So only criminals get to kill people? -

the State can't kill them?

Nobody should be committing premeditated killings.

That's a very interesting point you've raised.

Plenty of room for debate on that one.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Jasin on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:15pm

The concept of a prison, gaol or even dungeon was to void all stimulus of life from the criminal over time. Sometimes, the effect of this would KILL off the evil in the person and release was considered.
Slavery was an imprisonment to the extent, but a labour of punishment that at least exposed them to life's stimulus.

Sadly, the idiotic Anti political Left have turned Australian prisons into Hotels with much recreation like raping other prisoners, gyms, basketball, uni degrees and contraband galore.
These are not Prisons. These reward criminals for their evil.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Frank on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:55pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:08pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

So only criminals get to kill people? -

the State can't kill them?

Nobody should be committing premeditated killings.

So you oppose euthanasia where the patient is hooked up to a contraption and iss killed in a premeditated manner..

Or Abortion, where a fetus is executed with no recourse to an appeal or even a hearing to start with.

Soldiers are killed in a premeditated manner in war.

Prison is restraining, so you cannot be against just restrainment either.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:42pm

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:55pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:08pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

So only criminals get to kill people? -

the State can't kill them?

Nobody should be committing premeditated killings.

Oh dear.

You really are struggling to come up with anything relevant on this subject.

Keep erecting those strawmen, old boy ;)

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Jasin on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:46pm

In other words. Gay Gwoggy doesn't know

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 5:08pm

Welcome to the 21st Century:-

Punks trying to 'make their bones' by kidnapping an old man and leaving him dead.

Idiots threatening to blow up Albo.

Threats against politicians on the rise.

Wars and rumours of wars.

Killers in Bondi.

Piss weak politicians leading them to believe it was sanctioned.

I say life without... if they give up their accomplices.. we'll put twenty-five to life on the table.. possibility of parole in twenty depending on how directly culpable they were in his death... to be served in max ... no Club Fed for these types...

Not as easy as the internet, is it, boys?

.. my Fellow Australians... I am now officially an 'old man' .... and I can assure you that such an elder citizen as the victim here would have been appreciating every minute of every day of his life - a life brutally cut short by incompetent and frankly stupid criminals..... it is my unshakeable determination to see justice done..... and for the internet to be placed under proper controls....... we all know, from long ago - thatChina cut out many Western sites... that public hospitals do the same...... we all know we have the means... we have the technology.... all we need is the determination to set in place proper boundaires on the internet - and never more so than in this day of the instant growth of AI with all its possibility for falsehood and theft ...

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Frank on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 5:19pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:42pm:

Oh dear.

You really are struggling to come up with anything relevant on this subject.

Keep erecting those strawmen, old boy ;)

As I said, low-brow union functionary with an education fetish on the basis of your Cert IV in OH&S and all-round, full time dishonest slime ball:

Quote:

In any case, you 'argumemmt' against the deaath penalty is fallacious. You presume, without any justification, that the premise of your stance is beyond dispute, and then you just bang on and on, no matter what.

fallacy /ˈfaləsi/ noun

1. a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound arguments

Word Origin
late 15th century (in the sense ‘deception, guile’; gradually superseding Middle English fallace): from Latin fallacia, from fallax, fallac- ‘deceiving’, from fallere ‘deceive’.

It's your middle, first and last name - deceptive creep.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 7:50pm

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 5:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:42pm:

Oh dear.

You really are struggling to come up with anything relevant on this subject.

Keep erecting those strawmen, old boy ;)

As I said, low-brow union functionary with an education fetish on the basis of your Cert IV in OH&S and all-round, full time dishonest slime ball:

Quote:

I think the state-sanctioned, premeditated killing of restrained prisoners is wrong.

You don't.

Such is life.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Frank on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 7:50pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 5:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:42pm:

Oh dear.

You really are struggling to come up with anything relevant on this subject.

Keep erecting those strawmen, old boy ;)

As I said, low-brow union functionary with an education fetish on the basis of your Cert IV in OH&S and all-round, full time dishonest slime ball:

Quote:

I think the state-sanctioned, premeditated killing of restrained prisoners is wrong.

You don't.

Such is life.

Is it wrong for the police to shoot dead a criminal who is mudering people, say, in a mass shooting situation?

He isn't restrained yet killing him is done, lawfully and nobody kvetches about it. He is shot dead and deserves to be.

But capturing him, trying him, convicting him and THEN shooting him is 'wrong' somehow.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:19pm

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 7:50pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 5:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:42pm:

Oh dear.

You really are struggling to come up with anything relevant on this subject.

Keep erecting those strawmen, old boy ;)

As I said, low-brow union functionary with an education fetish on the basis of your Cert IV in OH&S and all-round, full time dishonest slime ball:

Quote:

I think the state-sanctioned, premeditated killing of restrained prisoners is wrong.

You don't.

Such is life.

Correct.

See if you can figure out why.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Frank on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:19pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 7:50pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 5:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:42pm:

Oh dear.

You really are struggling to come up with anything relevant on this subject.

Keep erecting those strawmen, old boy ;)

As I said, low-brow union functionary with an education fetish on the basis of your Cert IV in OH&S and all-round, full time dishonest slime ball:

Quote:

I think the state-sanctioned, premeditated killing of restrained prisoners is wrong.

You don't.

Such is life.

Correct.

See if you can figure out why.

You are not standing on undisputed ground, lying creep, that everyone else must figure out.

You must explain your disputed grounds.

Being educated all the way to Cert iV you should know that much.

We aren't all as stupid and dishonest and incoherent as you so do not make assumptions in those directions.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:39pm

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:19pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 7:50pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 5:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:42pm:

Oh dear.

You really are struggling to come up with anything relevant on this subject.

Keep erecting those strawmen, old boy ;)

As I said, low-brow union functionary with an education fetish on the basis of your Cert IV in OH&S and all-round, full time dishonest slime ball:

Quote:

I think the state-sanctioned, premeditated killing of restrained prisoners is wrong.

You don't.

Such is life.

Correct.

See if you can figure out why.

Put down the bottle of Jameson, get some sleep, and I'm sure you'll figure it out in the morning.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Bobby. on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:42pm

We need a hangman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZTe-_yqmhQ

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Sophia on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 9:13pm

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:18pm:

Both with seemingly Anglo Saxon names. But who knows what their heritage could be, part this, that, and the other.

“Gerard Andrews, 29, and Daniel Stevens, 24”

https://apple.news/AMiEu3L0uTACSIh1YaPXVUQ

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 9:34pm

Sophia wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 9:13pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:18pm:

Lol ;D

Frank's not gonna like that.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Jasin on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 9:39pm

Moslems " If you Lefty whities wanna join ISIS, we got a little job for you to prove yourselves (and keep us Moslems clean)" ;)

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Sophia on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 10:36pm

Hard to pick it from this lovely photo at some celebration party.
Who would think this decent looking young man was capable of the horror just unfolded.
Definitely cannot judge a book by its cover.
Party is over for him now. No more nice normal life. Finito.

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Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Bobby. on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 10:47pm

Sophia wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 10:36pm:

They'll lock him up with Bubba.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:51pm

Sophia wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 10:36pm:

Wannabe gangstahs. Kids have got to get their heads out of the internet and movies and video games.

Title: Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Post by Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 9:34pm:

Sophia wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 9:13pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:18pm:

Lol ;D

Frank's not gonna like that.

Be Usual Suspects, right enough... trannies or poofs or something ... drug users or Keyboard Heroes ...