Last night on the Late Debate on Sky News Australia, there was a segment on the dumbing down of teaching degrees, with hundreds of students with an ATAR less than 50.00 being accepted into them. It turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy, with teachers no longer able to teach, so they focus more on the woke side of I doctrination.

The current university model for training teachers isn’t just flawed, it’s actively lowering standards. If we actually care about kids education, we should be seriously considering scrapping teaching degrees from universities and bringing back proper, standalone teachers colleges like in the past, which was suggested by Caleb Bond.

Education faculties have become saturated with woke ideology and campus politics. Instead of doubling down on evidence-based English, maths, science and the other fundamentals, too much time is spent on abstract theory about identity, privilege, and systemic power. Whatever your view on those topics, they are not the core skills required to teach a child to read, write, or understand maths. Every hour spent on ideological indoctrination of woke ideas is an hour not spent mastering the craft of teaching.

Then there’s the standards issue. Universities are accepting teaching students with ATARs below 50.00. That’s a serious red flag. If we’re bringing in candidates who performed in the bottom half of academic rankings, what message does that send about the profession? Teaching should attract strong academic performers, especially in primary education where literacy and numeracy foundations are built. Low entry thresholds combined with theory-heavy coursework create a pipeline that doesn’t prioritise excellence.

The old teachers colleges were unapologetically vocational. Teaching was treated like a disciplined craft, not an ideological playground or a fallback degree for people who couldn’t get into something else.

If student outcomes are stagnating and teacher burnout is rising, the training model deserves serious scrutiny. Raise entry standards. Strip out the woke bullshit. Refocus on practical skill and subject knowledge.

Bring back teachers colleges and make teaching a high-standards profession again.

Yeah I saw that Dave.
Reckon if the taxpayers money given to Private Schools stops and is given to Govt schools, more teachers would stay in Govt schools.

Jasin wrote on Feb 24^th, 2026 at 2:38pm:

Yeah I saw that Dave. Reckon if the taxpayers money given to Private Schools stops and is given to Govt schools, more teachers would stay in Govt schools.

Teaching standards and teacher quality are not about funding.

Yes, some private schools have swimming pools, tennis courts and fully equpped theatres, gyms and music departments.

But what is far more important is that they have discipline, ethos of excellence, achievement and high expectations.

Governent sink schooks in certain urban areas are dealing with large cohorts of students and parents who do not value either discipline or high education standards.
Teachers in such schools spend most of their time with trying to contain the dregs of the class. That the curriculum is dead boring, tendentious and totally uninspiring doesnt help.

Government selective schools have been captured by the customers of swatting coaching colleges. They are full of Asian kids whose tiger mothers want them to be doctors and dentist, whether the kiddies want to be or not.

PUBLIC education has been captured by an 'pwogwessive' activist cadre of unionists, academics, bureocrats and teachers.
Parents are paying private fees to get their kiddies out of such a system. Needless to say, some of the private schools can be as tendentious as the Teals - in whose electorates many of them are.

"Bring back teachers' colleges"


Bring back the public hanging...of murderers.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1771915886/0#0

MattE wrote on Feb 24^th, 2026 at 2:25pm:

Last night on the Late Debate on Sky News Australia, there was a segment on the dumbing down of teaching degrees, with hundreds of students with an ATAR less than 50.00 being accepted into them. It turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy, with teachers no longer able to teach, so they focus more on the woke side of I doctrination. The current university model for training teachers isn’t just flawed, it’s actively lowering standards. If we actually care about kids education, we should be seriously considering scrapping teaching degrees from universities and bringing back proper, standalone teachers colleges like in the past, which was suggested by Caleb Bond. Education faculties have become saturated with woke ideology and campus politics. Instead of doubling down on evidence-based English, maths, science and the other fundamentals, too much time is spent on abstract theory about identity, privilege, and systemic power. Whatever your view on those topics, they are not the core skills required to teach a child to read, write, or understand maths. Every hour spent on ideological indoctrination of woke ideas is an hour not spent mastering the craft of teaching. Then there’s the standards issue. Universities are accepting teaching students with ATARs below 50.00. That’s a serious red flag. If we’re bringing in candidates who performed in the bottom half of academic rankings, what message does that send about the profession? Teaching should attract strong academic performers, especially in primary education where literacy and numeracy foundations are built. Low entry thresholds combined with theory-heavy coursework create a pipeline that doesn’t prioritise excellence. The old teachers colleges were unapologetically vocational. Teaching was treated like a disciplined craft, not an ideological playground or a fallback degree for people who couldn’t get into something else. If student outcomes are stagnating and teacher burnout is rising, the training model deserves serious scrutiny. Raise entry standards. Strip out the woke bullshit. Refocus on practical skill and subject knowledge. Bring back teachers colleges and make teaching a high-standards profession again.

What makes you think teachers colleges will solve any of those problems?

It's not until you go to University that you
see how dopey most of your high school teachers were -
they hardly knew what they were talking about
compared to Uni lecturers and professors.    ::)

Bobby. wrote on Feb 24^th, 2026 at 8:09pm:

It's not until you go to University that you see how dopey most of your high school teachers were - they hardly knew what they were talking about compared to Uni lecturers and professors.    ::)

Many of the Dawkins universities WERE teachers' colleges.

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 7:14am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 24th, 2026 at 8:09pm: It's not until you go to University that you see how dopey most of your high school teachers were - they hardly knew what they were talking about compared to Uni lecturers and professors.    ::) Many of the Dawkins universities WERE teachers' colleges.

yes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawkins_Revolution

Other critics, especially those among the Group of Eight universities,
saw these reforms as "dumbing down" higher education,
as college diploma students became university graduates overnight.[17]
The traditional universities now had to compete for research funds
with the newly designated and amalgamated universities,
although they still continue to dominate competitive research funding.



The Dawkins Revolution was a series of Australian higher education reforms instituted by the then Labor Education Minister (1987–91) John Dawkins.[1] The reforms merged higher education providers, granted university status to a variety of institutions, instituted a system for income contingent loans to finance student fees, required a range of new performance monitoring techniques and methods, and revamped the relationship between universities and the Commonwealth Government. The reforms transitioned Australia's higher education system into a mass system which could produce more university educated workers, but have remained controversial due to their impacts on the incentives facing universities, bureaucracies and academics.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 24^th, 2026 at 8:09pm:

It's not until you go to University that you see how dopey most of your high school teachers were - they hardly knew what they were talking about compared to Uni lecturers and professors.    ::)

It wasn’t until I went to University that I saw how self centred, unworldly and downright dumb many academics were.

It depends if they are institutionalised for life.
I could tell the teachers and even Academics who had no people skills or intelligence. Those who went straight from High School to Uni for their degree compared to those who spent a few years or more before Uni, going out in the world be it work, travel and social to experience more than just following a path set out for them.
Joe Biden was institutionalised, he couldn't think for himself and it showed.
You need both. Just being institutionalised is like just using half of your brain, hence why many teachers and lecturers are half wits.

Last night on Sky, is it?

Oo-er, sounds a bit rude.

What are the bots on X saying?

MattE wrote on Feb 24^th, 2026 at 2:25pm:

Last night on the Late Debate on Sky News Australia, there was a segment on the dumbing down of teaching degrees, with hundreds of students with an ATAR less than 50.00 being accepted into them. It turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy, with teachers no longer able to teach, so they focus more on the woke side of I doctrination. The current university model for training teachers isn’t just flawed, it’s actively lowering standards. If we actually care about kids education, we should be seriously considering scrapping teaching degrees from universities and bringing back proper, standalone teachers colleges like in the past, which was suggested by Caleb Bond. Education faculties have become saturated with woke ideology and campus politics. Instead of doubling down on evidence-based English, maths, science and the other fundamentals, too much time is spent on abstract theory about identity, privilege, and systemic power. Whatever your view on those topics, they are not the core skills required to teach a child to read, write, or understand maths. Every hour spent on ideological indoctrination of woke ideas is an hour not spent mastering the craft of teaching. Then there’s the standards issue. Universities are accepting teaching students with ATARs below 50.00. That’s a serious red flag. If we’re bringing in candidates who performed in the bottom half of academic rankings, what message does that send about the profession? Teaching should attract strong academic performers, especially in primary education where literacy and numeracy foundations are built. Low entry thresholds combined with theory-heavy coursework create a pipeline that doesn’t prioritise excellence. The old teachers colleges were unapologetically vocational. Teaching was treated like a disciplined craft, not an ideological playground or a fallback degree for people who couldn’t get into something else. If student outcomes are stagnating and teacher burnout is rising, the training model deserves serious scrutiny. Raise entry standards. Strip out the woke bullshit. Refocus on practical skill and subject knowledge. Bring back teachers colleges and make teaching a high-standards profession again.

Every “ degree “ related profession has been dumbed down since it became a university course.

I definitely think that teachers college would seriously improve teachers standards and I also believe returning nurses to be taught and learn in the hospitals rather then university classrooms would greatly benefit nursing standards.

But it would send universities broke without the fees they collect for worthless degrees.

Eventually everyone learns their trade in the workplace.

Degree factories are set up just to fund a middle man- university.

Jasin wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 11:59am:

It depends if they are institutionalised for life. I could tell the teachers and even Academics who had no people skills or intelligence. Those who went straight from High School to Uni for their degree compared to those who spent a few years or more before Uni, going out in the world be it work, travel and social to experience more than just following a path set out for them. Joe Biden was institutionalised, he couldn't think for himself and it showed. You need both. Just being institutionalised is like just using half of your brain, hence why many teachers and lecturers are half wits.

Some lecturers are good and some aren't.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 10:18pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 11:59am: It depends if they are institutionalised for life. I could tell the teachers and even Academics who had no people skills or intelligence. Those who went straight from High School to Uni for their degree compared to those who spent a few years or more before Uni, going out in the world be it work, travel and social to experience more than just following a path set out for them. Joe Biden was institutionalised, he couldn't think for himself and it showed. You need both. Just being institutionalised is like just using half of your brain, hence why many teachers and lecturers are half wits. Some lecturers are good and some aren't.

Same goes for Professors; at an Alliance Française de Sydney dinner, which I attended some years ago, a Professor, who wrote simply beautiful French, decided to show her command of the spoken language and spoke for at least ten minutes.
She brought some of her audience to tears, tears due to good manners, they were desperately choking back laughter.
Such execrable French has seldom, if ever, been heard, the Hostess thanked her and remarked on how pleasant it was to have someone who was not a native speaker address them in their own language.This brought a very hearty round of applause, which made the Professor’s night.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 5:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 10:18pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 11:59am: It depends if they are institutionalised for life. I could tell the teachers and even Academics who had no people skills or intelligence. Those who went straight from High School to Uni for their degree compared to those who spent a few years or more before Uni, going out in the world be it work, travel and social to experience more than just following a path set out for them. Joe Biden was institutionalised, he couldn't think for himself and it showed. You need both. Just being institutionalised is like just using half of your brain, hence why many teachers and lecturers are half wits. Some lecturers are good and some aren't. Same goes for Professors; at an Alliance Française de Sydney dinner some years ago a Professor, who wrote simply beautiful French, decided to show her command of the spoken language and spoke for at least ten minutes. She brought some of her audience to tears, tears due to good manners, they were desperately choking back laughter. Such execrable French has seldom, if ever, been heard, the Hostess thanked her and remarked on how pleasant it was to have someone who was not a native speaker address them in their own language.This brought a hearty round of applause, which made the Professor’s night.

I spoke to many French studies - school teachers -
they had strong English accents when speaking French.  LOL
It's very hard to lose the accent unless you live in a country for 10 years or more.