Why Europe’s elites have embraced sneering anti-Americanism

Expressing anger against America appears to be the one emotion that binds the European political establishment. As one Financial Times commentator explained earlier this month, ‘Trump is Europe’s best enemy yet’. He has apparently provided Europe with the ‘common foe’ it needs. It appears that anti-Americanism is now the glue holding together otherwise disoriented and divided European elites.

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Contempt for the American way of life has always been particularly widespread among European intellectual and the cultural elites. Writing at the turn of the 20th century, British economist Sydney Brooks attributed the hostility to America to ‘envy of her prosperity and success’. Europeans, he wrote, ‘intensely resent the bearing of Americans… They hate the American form of swagger.’ They saw a country ‘crudely and completely immersed in materialism’.

One of the most famous slurs against the US came in the early 20th century, when French prime minister Georges Clemenceau sneered that, ‘America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilisation’.

During the Cold War years, Europe’s cultural elite continued to view America with a mixture of resentment and contempt. ‘America the violent, America the crass, America the inept have all become everyday images in Europe’, concluded the US ambassador in London in early 1987. This attitude has got much worse since. The well-known British author Margaret Drabble wrote in May 2003, two months after the invasion of Iraq:

‘It has possessed me like a disease. It rises in my throat like acid reflux… I can’t keep it down any longer. I detest Disneyfication. I detest Coca-Cola. I detest burgers. I detest sentimental and violent Hollywood movies that tell lies about history.’

Drabble’s visceral disgust towards America was shared throughout Europe. German theatre director Peter Zadek gave full vent to his prejudices against the American people during the Iraq War:

‘The Bush administration was more or less democratically elected, and it had the support of the majority of Americans in its Iraq War. One can therefore be against the Americans, just as most of the world was against the Germans in the Second World War. In this sense, I am an anti-American.’

Today, the European elites’ anti-American ideology has acquired a new dimension. It is now interwoven with their fear and loathing of the right-wing populism now rising within Europe itself. As Mark Leonard, director of the European Council on Foreign Relations, wrote in the Guardian last week:

‘European governments are terrified of Donald Trump’s threats on trade, Greenland and the future of NATO. But the biggest threat is not that Trump invades an ally or leaves Europe at the mercy of Russia. It is that his ideological movement could transform Europe from the inside.’
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There is no reason to think that the populist surge in Europe will abate when Trump departs the White House. European elites, uncomfortable with the principle of national sovereignty, have long channelled decision-making away from the people and towards expert institutions, non-governmental organisations and international bodies. It is this profound democratic deficit, not the Trump White House, that has provided populist movements with their energy. They appeal to vast swathes of Europe’s national publics – to those, that is, who believe that they have been excluded from the decision-making that impacts their lives.

It is therefore unlikely that European elites’ increasingly shrill anti-Americanism will do much to dent the growing influence of populist parties. Nor can it create a European identity with widespread public appeal. As matters stand, European anti-Americanism is likely to emulate the post-Brexit ‘Remainer’ identity.Like Remainerism’s antipathy to British national sovereignty, this new Europeanism has little substantive content beyond its opposition to Trump’s America.

Frank wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 9:25am:

Why Europe’s elites have embraced sneering anti-Americanism Expressing anger against America appears to be the one emotion that binds the European political establishment. As one Financial Times commentator explained earlier this month, ‘Trump is Europe’s best enemy yet’. He has apparently provided Europe with the ‘common foe’ it needs. It appears that anti-Americanism is now the glue holding together otherwise disoriented and divided European elites. .... Contempt for the American way of life has always been particularly widespread among European intellectual and the cultural elites. Writing at the turn of the 20th century, British economist Sydney Brooks attributed the hostility to America to ‘envy of her prosperity and success’. Europeans, he wrote, ‘intensely resent the bearing of Americans… They hate the American form of swagger.’ They saw a country ‘crudely and completely immersed in materialism’. One of the most famous slurs against the US came in the early 20th century, when French prime minister Georges Clemenceau sneered that, ‘America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilisation’. During the Cold War years, Europe’s cultural elite continued to view America with a mixture of resentment and contempt. ‘America the violent, America the crass, America the inept have all become everyday images in Europe’, concluded the US ambassador in London in early 1987. This attitude has got much worse since. The well-known British author Margaret Drabble wrote in May 2003, two months after the invasion of Iraq: ‘It has possessed me like a disease. It rises in my throat like acid reflux… I can’t keep it down any longer. I detest Disneyfication. I detest Coca-Cola. I detest burgers. I detest sentimental and violent Hollywood movies that tell lies about history.’ Drabble’s visceral disgust towards America was shared throughout Europe. German theatre director Peter Zadek gave full vent to his prejudices against the American people during the Iraq War: ‘The Bush administration was more or less democratically elected, and it had the support of the majority of Americans in its Iraq War. One can therefore be against the Americans, just as most of the world was against the Germans in the Second World War. In this sense, I am an anti-American.’ Today, the European elites’ anti-American ideology has acquired a new dimension. It is now interwoven with their fear and loathing of the right-wing populism now rising within Europe itself. As Mark Leonard, director of the European Council on Foreign Relations, wrote in the Guardian last week: ‘European governments are terrified of Donald Trump’s threats on trade, Greenland and the future of NATO. But the biggest threat is not that Trump invades an ally or leaves Europe at the mercy of Russia. It is that his ideological movement could transform Europe from the inside.’ ... There is no reason to think that the populist surge in Europe will abate when Trump departs the White House. European elites, uncomfortable with the principle of national sovereignty, have long channelled decision-making away from the people and towards expert institutions, non-governmental organisations and international bodies. It is this profound democratic deficit, not the Trump White House, that has provided populist movements with their energy. They appeal to vast swathes of Europe’s national publics – to those, that is, who believe that they have been excluded from the decision-making that impacts their lives. It is therefore unlikely that European elites’ increasingly shrill anti-Americanism will do much to dent the growing influence of populist parties. Nor can it create a European identity with widespread public appeal. As matters stand, European anti-Americanism is likely to emulate the post-Brexit ‘Remainer’ identity.Like Remainerism’s antipathy to British national sovereignty, this new Europeanism has little substantive content beyond its opposition to Trump’s America.

Being anti Trump isn't anti Americanism. Trump is America's greatest current enemy.

Dnarever is like NATO. Upset he can't grift off America because of Trump

Dnarever wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 9:26am:

Being anti Trump isn't anti Americanism. Trump is America's greatest current enemy.

While it's true that being anti-Trump isn't anti-Americanism, it's also true that Americans deserve Trump.

Philip Roth defined it well when he characterised the collective American psyche as being prone to an 'indigenous American berserk'. He referred to it as a vestige of the American Revolution, in that the country is under imminent threat of attack and annihilation by an unseen or covert enemy.

The British, the French, the Spanish, the Indians, the northerners, the Latin Americans, the Europeans, the communists, Satan worshippers, the Muslims, a rising China, a rising anywhere... every American era requires a mortal enemy that demands a collective violent kneejerk response... Tariffs, ICE, anti-Europeanism, the anti-Chinese pogroms, the anti-Muslim pogroms, rooting out PDfiles running an operation out of a pizza joint, or a cabal of presidential and senatorial baby eaters...

The antidote usually comes suddenly and unexpectedly, when the berserk can end overnight... Maybe labelling Canada as a potential existential threat might be the latest antidote.

Yes. Maybe Americans (Media Americans) can go back to UFOs like they did under Biden. Ahh reality (via a TV)

Jasin wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 9:48am:

Yes. Maybe Americans (Media Americans) can go back to UFOs like they did under Biden. Ahh reality (via a TV)

Yep, that's another perceived American 'enemy'... Aliens...

For Americans, aliens were obsessed with anal probes... or was that just Appalachian Americans??!!

Frank is partly correct. He was at 49% and now it's 38%.

It was pre-Trump American spaghetti Westernism to have the population believe in higher beings (the Govt) above them. Pretty ingenious, but very god-like as a lie.

Jasin wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 9:55am:

It was pre-Trump American spaghetti Westernism to have the population believe in higher beings (the Govt) above them. Pretty ingenious, but very god-like as a lie.

Americans are 17th-century European goddists, so they've always had a higher power who might be peering through the windows at them while they masturbate!

Historically, European anti-Americanism often emphasised the moral inferiority of American people and their way of life. Jesper Gulddal’s review of anti-Americanism in 19th-century European literature showed that authors from France, Britain and Germany ‘argued emphatically that America’s lack of tradition and culture, as well as its materialism, vulgarity, religious bigotry and political immaturity constituted not only the essence of this country’s very being but that they would also somehow infest Europe’.

Contempt for the American way of life has always been particularly widespread among European intellectual and the cultural elites. Writing at the turn of the 20th century, British economist Sydney Brooks attributed the hostility to America to ‘envy of her prosperity and success’. Europeans, he wrote, ‘intensely resent the bearing of Americans… They hate the American form of swagger.’ They saw a country ‘crudely and completely immersed in materialism’.

One of the most famous slurs against the US came in the early 20th century, when French prime minister Georges Clemenceau sneered that, ‘America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilisation’.

During the Cold War years, Europe’s cultural elite continued to view America with a mixture of resentment and contempt. ‘America the violent, America the crass, America the inept have all become everyday images in Europe’, concluded the US ambassador in London in early 1987. This attitude has got much worse since. The well-known British author Margaret Drabble wrote in May 2003, two months after the invasion of Iraq:

‘It has possessed me like a disease. It rises in my throat like acid reflux… I can’t keep it down any longer. I detest Disneyfication. I detest Coca-Cola. I detest burgers. I detest sentimental and violent Hollywood movies that tell lies about history.’

Drabble’s visceral disgust towards America was shared throughout Europe. German theatre director Peter Zadek gave full vent to his prejudices against the American people during the Iraq War:

‘The Bush administration was more or less democratically elected, and it had the support of the majority of Americans in its Iraq War. One can therefore be against the Americans, just as most of the world was against the Germans in the Second World War. In this sense, I am an anti-American.’

ibid.


It's nothing new. Today they say it's Trump, yestrday it was Bush, before that Reagan, Before that it was the liberating yankee soldiers, 'oversexed, overpaid, overe here'. In goes back centuries.

Europe neutered itself completely in the 20th century. They have nobody but themselves to blame.

Another pillar of the collective American psyche is the delusion that they're the freest nation on earth... Even their songs reflect this sneering Americanism... as in 'I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free'.

And nevermind that the USA consistently barely makes the top 20 in the World Freedom Index, with nearly all Western European countries, Canada, Australia and New Zealand consistently beating them in nearly every freedom index category.

Even today, American 17th-century goddism inhibits American would-be politicians and incumbents from admitting they're atheists... To do so would be political suicide... Americans equate atheism with Satanism - being incapable of comprehending a world where there's no supernatural power peering over their shoulder when they take a piss.

The UK had a bigger one than the Yanks.  Britain was great. Now it  moves on into post-colonial repairs.
The US can't handle the downward slope and has to be great again. Anything will do, smash Venezuela or Greenland or Obama.
ICE can do it.

chimera wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 10:25am:

The UK had a bigger one than the Yanks.  Britain was great. Now it  moves on into post-colonial repairs. The US can't handle the downward slope and has to be great again. Anything will do, smash Venezuela or Greenland or Obama. ICE can do it.

Americans need an enemy... a domestic one is fine if there's nothing else, but it doesn't beat an Asian one...

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 10:23am:

Even today, American 17th-century goddism inhibits American would-be politicians and incumbents from admitting they're atheists... To do so would be political suicide... Americans equate atheism with Satanism - being incapable of comprehending a world where there's no supernatural power peering over their shoulder when they take a piss.

:D :D :D

You do have a sneering anti-American bee in your bonnet.
Sense of proportion - zero.


The most religious countries in the world, primarily located in the Middle East, Africa, and South Asia, are defined by high rates of daily prayer, religious attendance, and the importance of faith in daily life, with Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and India often ranking at the top. These nations often have constitutions or societal norms deeply rooted in religious law.
Based on various studies, here are the top 10 most religious countries, often characterized by over 90% of their populations reporting high levels of religious devotion:

Indonesia (Highest reported religiosity, often >95%)
Saudi Arabia (Center of Islam, high religious adherence)
Iran (Deeply religious society, strong influence of Islam)
Somalia (Extremely high levels of faith, often >95%)
Niger (Strongly religious, often >95%)
Jordan (High percentage of religious adherence, approx. 95%)
Bangladesh (High religious devotion)
Egypt (Strong cultural and personal reliance on faith)
Nigeria (Extremely high religious importance)
India (High importance of religion and diverse practices)


All Muslims and a Hindu.

Frank wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 11:54am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 10:23am: Even today, American 17th-century goddism inhibits American would-be politicians and incumbents from admitting they're atheists... To do so would be political suicide... Americans equate atheism with Satanism - being incapable of comprehending a world where there's no supernatural power peering over their shoulder when they take a piss. :D :D :D You do have a sneering anti-American bee in your bonnet. Sense of proportion - zero. The most religious countries in the world, primarily located in the Middle East, Africa, and South Asia, are defined by high rates of daily prayer, religious attendance, and the importance of faith in daily life, with Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and India often ranking at the top. These nations often have constitutions or societal norms deeply rooted in religious law. Based on various studies, here are the top 10 most religious countries, often characterized by over 90% of their populations reporting high levels of religious devotion: Indonesia (Highest reported religiosity, often >95%) Saudi Arabia (Center of Islam, high religious adherence) Iran (Deeply religious society, strong influence of Islam) Somalia (Extremely high levels of faith, often >95%) Niger (Strongly religious, often >95%) Jordan (High percentage of religious adherence, approx. 95%) Bangladesh (High religious devotion) Egypt (Strong cultural and personal reliance on faith) Nigeria (Extremely high religious importance) India (High importance of religion and diverse practices) All Muslims and a Hindu.

A bit of gay whataboutism there, old girl...

American goddists don't like homosexuality either, so...

Frank wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 10:11am:

Historically, European anti-Americanism often emphasised the moral inferiority of American people and their way of life. Jesper Gulddal’s review of anti-Americanism in 19th-century European literature showed that authors from France, Britain and Germany ‘argued emphatically that America’s lack of tradition and culture, as well as its materialism, vulgarity, religious bigotry and political immaturity constituted not only the essence of this country’s very being but that they would also somehow infest Europe’. Contempt for the American way of life has always been particularly widespread among European intellectual and the cultural elites. Writing at the turn of the 20th century, British economist Sydney Brooks attributed the hostility to America to ‘envy of her prosperity and success’. Europeans, he wrote, ‘intensely resent the bearing of Americans… They hate the American form of swagger.’ They saw a country ‘crudely and completely immersed in materialism’. One of the most famous slurs against the US came in the early 20th century, when French prime minister Georges Clemenceau sneered that, ‘America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilisation’. During the Cold War years, Europe’s cultural elite continued to view America with a mixture of resentment and contempt. ‘America the violent, America the crass, America the inept have all become everyday images in Europe’, concluded the US ambassador in London in early 1987. This attitude has got much worse since. The well-known British author Margaret Drabble wrote in May 2003, two months after the invasion of Iraq: ‘It has possessed me like a disease. It rises in my throat like acid reflux… I can’t keep it down any longer. I detest Disneyfication. I detest Coca-Cola. I detest burgers. I detest sentimental and violent Hollywood movies that tell lies about history.’ Drabble’s visceral disgust towards America was shared throughout Europe. German theatre director Peter Zadek gave full vent to his prejudices against the American people during the Iraq War: ‘The Bush administration was more or less democratically elected, and it had the support of the majority of Americans in its Iraq War. One can therefore be against the Americans, just as most of the world was against the Germans in the Second World War. In this sense, I am an anti-American.’ ibid. It's nothing new. Today they say it's Trump, yestrday it was Bush, before that Reagan, Before that it was the liberating yankee soldiers, 'oversexed, overpaid, overe here'. In goes back centuries. Europe neutered itself completely in the 20th century. They have nobody but themselves to blame.

It amazes me how short peoples memories are....

The Yanks helped bail Europe out in 2 World wars.

The French haven't got a decent victory in any of their military history.

Until it was removed years ago if you typed "French Military victories" into Google it would pop up a box

"did you mean French Military defeats?" ;D

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Gnads wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 12:34pm:

It amazes me how short peoples memories are.... The Yanks helped bail Europe out in 2 World wars.

That tells me how old you are.

80+ years isn't a short time for living memory or sentiment. Do you think Europeans were still crawling on all fours to Britain and Prussia in 1900 for defeating Napoleon in 1815?

What's your memory or sentiment for the Boer War or the Eureka Rebellion?

Big Brother Media of Oceania is very ANTI N.America, S. America & Sahul Australia.

Big Brother Media working for Asia, Europe & Africa.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 12:42pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 12:34pm: It amazes me how short peoples memories are.... The Yanks helped bail Europe out in 2 World wars. That tells me how old you are. 80+ years isn't a short time for living memory or sentiment. Do you think Europeans were still crawling on all fours to Britain and Prussia in 1900 for defeating Napoleon in 1815? What's your memory or sentiment for the Boer War or the Eureka Rebellion?

Now this is getting interesting on both parts

*Popcorn 🍿

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 12:42pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 12:34pm: It amazes me how short peoples memories are.... The Yanks helped bail Europe out in 2 World wars. That tells me how old you are. 80+ years isn't a short time for living memory or sentiment. Do you think Europeans were still crawling on all fours to Britain and Prussia in 1900 for defeating Napoleon in 1815? What's your memory or sentiment for the Boer War or the Eureka Rebellion?

What about Australia in WW2?

We would have been invaded and murdered by the Japs
if it wasn't for the Yanks.
We didn't even have enough rifles for the troops we called up for duty.
They were training with broomsticks.   ::)

Media Lefty Aussies beat their chests against Great Britain, but grovel and cry dependingly to Media America.

Gnads wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 12:34pm:

[ It amazes me how short peoples memories are.... The Yanks helped bail Europe out in 2 World wars. The French haven't got a decent victory in any of their military history. Until it was removed years ago if you typed "French Military victories" into Google it would pop up a box "did you mean French Military defeats?" ;D

Indeed.

Why France was included among the victors in the post-war European settlement is a mystery. It was quickly defeated and occupied by Germany and was liberated by the US and Britain.
It's only use has been as an albatross around Germany's neck since 1945.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2MiLnjo2jM


I am reading Tony Judt's Postwar. He explains in great detail what Truman aabove merely hints at.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 1:20pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 12:42pm: Gnads wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 12:34pm: It amazes me how short peoples memories are.... The Yanks helped bail Europe out in 2 World wars. That tells me how old you are. 80+ years isn't a short time for living memory or sentiment. Do you think Europeans were still crawling on all fours to Britain and Prussia in 1900 for defeating Napoleon in 1815? What's your memory or sentiment for the Boer War or the Eureka Rebellion? What about Australia in WW2? We would have been invaded and murdered by the Japs if it wasn't for the Yanks. We didn't even have enough rifles for the troops we called up for duty. They were training with broomsticks.   ::)

Feel free to offer up your firstborn, their firstborn and their firstborn.

The WW2 generation of leaders crawled on all fours for the US into Vietnam to rain fire and shells on an agrarian people who wouldn't have had the maps to find an Australia they didn't know existed, nevermind make war on us... condemning the half-generation of early boomers to be killed, maimed for life and/or psychologically crippled.. for what? To make the world safer by exterminating agrarian villagers?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 1:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 1:20pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 12:42pm: Gnads wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 12:34pm: It amazes me how short peoples memories are.... The Yanks helped bail Europe out in 2 World wars. That tells me how old you are. 80+ years isn't a short time for living memory or sentiment. Do you think Europeans were still crawling on all fours to Britain and Prussia in 1900 for defeating Napoleon in 1815? What's your memory or sentiment for the Boer War or the Eureka Rebellion? What about Australia in WW2? We would have been invaded and murdered by the Japs if it wasn't for the Yanks. We didn't even have enough rifles for the troops we called up for duty. They were training with broomsticks.   ::) Feel free to offer up your firstborn, their firstborn and their firstborn. The WW2 generation of leaders crawled on all fours for the US into Vietnam to rain fire and shells on an agrarian people who wouldn't have had the maps to find an Australia they didn't know existed, nevermind make war on us... condemning the half-generation of early boomers to be killed, maimed for life and/or psychologically crippled.. for what? To make the world safer by exterminating agrarian villagers?

The Yanks don't ask us to get involved in their wars - they tell us -

if we don't they won't come to our aid when the Chinese invade us.

We also have to buy nuke subs at 5 times the actual price cause they told us to.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 1:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 1:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 1:20pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 12:42pm: Gnads wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 12:34pm: It amazes me how short peoples memories are.... The Yanks helped bail Europe out in 2 World wars. That tells me how old you are. 80+ years isn't a short time for living memory or sentiment. Do you think Europeans were still crawling on all fours to Britain and Prussia in 1900 for defeating Napoleon in 1815? What's your memory or sentiment for the Boer War or the Eureka Rebellion? What about Australia in WW2? We would have been invaded and murdered by the Japs if it wasn't for the Yanks. We didn't even have enough rifles for the troops we called up for duty. They were training with broomsticks.   ::) Feel free to offer up your firstborn, their firstborn and their firstborn. The WW2 generation of leaders crawled on all fours for the US into Vietnam to rain fire and shells on an agrarian people who wouldn't have had the maps to find an Australia they didn't know existed, nevermind make war on us... condemning the half-generation of early boomers to be killed, maimed for life and/or psychologically crippled.. for what? To make the world safer by exterminating agrarian villagers? The Yanks don't ask us to get involved in their wars - they tell us - if we don't they won't come to our aid when the Chinese invade us. We also have to buy nuke subs at 5 times the actual price cause they told us to.

Next time you're driving by a map of the world, take 5 minutes to locate China and Australia on it...

Check how there's this whole place called Southeast Asia, 1o+ countries, blue water of an ocean and treacherous seas to plough through before even one Chinese soldier puts a foot on Australian soil... and nevermind the supply lines that need to be secured...

Then check how many US military assets are permanently stationed in Australia...

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 1:50pm:

Next time you're driving by a map of the world, take 5 minutes to locate China and Australia on it... Check how there's this whole place called Southeast Asia, 1o+ countries, blue water of an ocean and treacherous seas to plough through before even one Chinese soldier puts a foot on Australian soil... and nevermind the supply lines that need to be secured... Then check how many US military assets are permanently stationed in Australia...

The air distance from Hong Kong (HKG) to Darwin (DRW) is
approximately 4,260 to 4,285 kilometers . Direct flights typically take around 5 to 6 hours.

Ships travel easily at 30km/hr.


4285/30 = 143 hours.

143/24 =   6 days travel time -   not very far away.   :o

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 1:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 1:50pm: Next time you're driving by a map of the world, take 5 minutes to locate China and Australia on it... Check how there's this whole place called Southeast Asia, 1o+ countries, blue water of an ocean and treacherous seas to plough through before even one Chinese soldier puts a foot on Australian soil... and nevermind the supply lines that need to be secured... Then check how many US military assets are permanently stationed in Australia... The air distance from Hong Kong (HKG) to Darwin (DRW) is approximately 4,260 to 4,285 kilometers . Direct flights typically take around 5 to 6 hours. Ships travel easily at 30km/hr. 4285/30 = 143 hours. 143/24 =   6 days travel time -   not very far away.   :o

How many soldiers would they need? More than a couple of plane loads? How about military materiel and other supplies?

Will they be landing in Sydney?

Will they avoid Pine Gap's detection system or will they be arriving, fully kitted on commerical flights?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 2:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 1:56pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 1:50pm: Next time you're driving by a map of the world, take 5 minutes to locate China and Australia on it... Check how there's this whole place called Southeast Asia, 1o+ countries, blue water of an ocean and treacherous seas to plough through before even one Chinese soldier puts a foot on Australian soil... and nevermind the supply lines that need to be secured... Then check how many US military assets are permanently stationed in Australia... The air distance from Hong Kong (HKG) to Darwin (DRW) is approximately 4,260 to 4,285 kilometers . Direct flights typically take around 5 to 6 hours. Ships travel easily at 30km/hr. 4285/30 = 143 hours. 143/24 =   6 days travel time -   not very far away.   :o How many soldiers would they need? More than a couple of plane loads? How about military materiel and other supplies? Will they be landing in Sydney? Will they avoid Pine Gap's detection system or will they be arriving, fully kitted on commerical flights?

No - arriving on ships using the largest navy in the world.
We wouldn't even know till it was too late.
We found out about Chinese live firing in the Tasman sea from commercial air pilots.    :-[

[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1771197901/28#28 date=1771215854]
No - arriving on ships using the largest navy in the world.
We wouldn't even know till it was too late.
We found out about Chinese live firing in the Tasman sea from commercial air pilots.    :-[/quote]
The 'largest navy in the world' barely dares to send one ship into blue water, nevermind a fleet.

Chinese live firing in the Tasman Sea from commercial air pilots... well, that was a good story, anyway... As if a naval vessel could approach Australia unnoticed by the US and Australia...

It sure didn't hurt Labor's cause to be seen to be calling for calm and diplomacy and not overreacting, for the benefit of Chinese Australian and Southeast Asian Australian voters who greatly value and appreciate restraint and patience vs overreaction and hysteria.

The Liberals, on the other hand, went straight for Yellow Peril hysteria... where is Peter Dutton now? Has he been coaxed out of his bedroom yet?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 2:30pm:

[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1771197901/28#28 date=1771215854] No - arriving on ships using the largest navy in the world. We wouldn't even know till it was too late. We found out about Chinese live firing in the Tasman sea from commercial air pilots.    :-[/quote] The 'largest navy in the world' barely dares to send one ship into blue water, nevermind a fleet. Chinese live firing in the Tasman Sea from commercial air pilots... well, that was a good story, anyway... As if a naval vessel could approach Australia unnoticed by the US and Australia... It sure didn't hurt Labor's cause to be seen to be calling for calm and diplomacy and not overreacting, for the benefit of Chinese Australian and Southeast Asian Australian voters who greatly value and appreciate restraint and patience vs overreaction and hysteria. The Liberals, on the other hand, went straight for Yellow Peril hysteria... where is Peter Dutton now? Has he been coaxed out of his bedroom yet?

Yet across the vast gulf of the South Pacific,
minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish,
intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic,
regarded Australia with envious eyes,
and slowly and surely they drew their plans against us.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 2:39pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:30pm: [quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1771197901/28#28 date=1771215854] No - arriving on ships using the largest navy in the world. We wouldn't even know till it was too late. We found out about Chinese live firing in the Tasman sea from commercial air pilots.    :-[/quote] The 'largest navy in the world' barely dares to send one ship into blue water, nevermind a fleet. Chinese live firing in the Tasman Sea from commercial air pilots... well, that was a good story, anyway... As if a naval vessel could approach Australia unnoticed by the US and Australia... It sure didn't hurt Labor's cause to be seen to be calling for calm and diplomacy and not overreacting, for the benefit of Chinese Australian and Southeast Asian Australian voters who greatly value and appreciate restraint and patience vs overreaction and hysteria. The Liberals, on the other hand, went straight for Yellow Peril hysteria... where is Peter Dutton now? Has he been coaxed out of his bedroom yet? Yet across the vast gulf of the South Pacific, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded Australia with envious eyes, and slowly and surely they drew their plans against us.

Aye, ave, Orson!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 2:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:39pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:30pm: [quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1771197901/28#28 date=1771215854] No - arriving on ships using the largest navy in the world. We wouldn't even know till it was too late. We found out about Chinese live firing in the Tasman sea from commercial air pilots.    :-[/quote] The 'largest navy in the world' barely dares to send one ship into blue water, nevermind a fleet. Chinese live firing in the Tasman Sea from commercial air pilots... well, that was a good story, anyway... As if a naval vessel could approach Australia unnoticed by the US and Australia... It sure didn't hurt Labor's cause to be seen to be calling for calm and diplomacy and not overreacting, for the benefit of Chinese Australian and Southeast Asian Australian voters who greatly value and appreciate restraint and patience vs overreaction and hysteria. The Liberals, on the other hand, went straight for Yellow Peril hysteria... where is Peter Dutton now? Has he been coaxed out of his bedroom yet? Yet across the vast gulf of the South Pacific, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded Australia with envious eyes, and slowly and surely they drew their plans against us. Aye, ave, Orson!

The 1938 Broadcast: Orson Welles produced and narrated a "news-style" radio adaptation of H.G. Wells' novel The War of the Worlds, leading many listeners to believe a real Martian invasion was occurring.


“No one would have believed in the last years of the nineteenth century that this world was being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man’s and yet as mortal as his own; that as men busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinised and studied, perhaps almost as narrowly as a man with a microscope might scrutinise the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. With infinite complacency men went to and fro over this globe about their little affairs, serene in their assurance of their empire over matter. It is possible that the infusoria under the microscope do the same. No one gave a thought to the older worlds of space as sources of human danger, or thought of them only to dismiss the idea of life upon them as impossible or improbable. It is curious to recall some of the mental habits of those departed days. At most terrestrial men fancied there might be other men upon Mars, perhaps inferior to themselves and ready to welcome a missionary enterprise. Yet across the gulf of space, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us. And early in the twentieth century came the great disillusionment”

1984

Big Brother Media said the enemy was Oceania.
Big Brother Media WAS Oceania.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 2:55pm:

The 1938 Broadcast: Orson Welles produced and narrated a "news-style" radio adaptation of H.G. Wells' novel The War of the Worlds, leading many listeners to believe a real Martian invasion was occurring.

Did Dutton summon the ghost of Wells?

Jasin wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 2:58pm:

1984 Big Brother Media said the enemy was Oceania. Big Brother Media WAS Oceania.

The Chinese? -

slowly and surely drew their plans against us.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 3:01pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:58pm: 1984 Big Brother Media said the enemy was Oceania. Big Brother Media WAS Oceania. The Chinese? - slowly and surely drew their plans against us.

Yeppp... we've pissed the Chinese right off with how fast we can load up ships full of everything they ask to buy off us and get it to them like clockwork, that they've decided to spend trillions on an invasion and occupation to sort it out once and for all...

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 3:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:01pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:58pm: 1984 Big Brother Media said the enemy was Oceania. Big Brother Media WAS Oceania. The Chinese? - slowly and surely drew their plans against us. Yeppp... we've pissed the Chinese right off with how fast we can load up ships full of everything they ask to buy off us and get it to them like clockwork, that they've decided to spend trillions on an invasion and occupation to sort it out once and for all...

Australia is a whole continent - it's worth a few $trillion to take it forever.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 3:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:07pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:01pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:58pm: 1984 Big Brother Media said the enemy was Oceania. Big Brother Media WAS Oceania. The Chinese? - slowly and surely drew their plans against us. Yeppp... we've pissed the Chinese right off with how fast we can load up ships full of everything they ask to buy off us and get it to them like clockwork, that they've decided to spend trillions on an invasion and occupation to sort it out once and for all... Australia is a whole continent - it's worth a few $trillion to take it forever.

It would be a wet dream for Tibetans, Inner Mongolians, Xinjiangese, Taiwanese, northern China, southern China, Russians eyeing up northern Chinese borderlands, Indians along the Line of Actual Control, for the CCP to start a futile war against Australia.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 3:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:13pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:07pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:01pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:58pm: 1984 Big Brother Media said the enemy was Oceania. Big Brother Media WAS Oceania. The Chinese? - slowly and surely drew their plans against us. Yeppp... we've pissed the Chinese right off with how fast we can load up ships full of everything they ask to buy off us and get it to them like clockwork, that they've decided to spend trillions on an invasion and occupation to sort it out once and for all... Australia is a whole continent - it's worth a few $trillion to take it forever. It would be a wet dream for Tibetans, Inner Mongolians, Xinjiangese, Taiwanese, northern China, southern China, Russians eyeing up northern Chinese borderlands, Indians along the Line of Actual Control, for the CCP to start a futile war against Australia.

China:
The People's Liberation Army (PLA) of China is one of the world's largest, with approximately
2.035 million active-duty personnel as of 2025,
supported by roughly 510,000 to 550,000 reserves. The PLA Ground Force, although shrinking in size to allow for modernization, remains a massive force, while the navy and air force have expanded, making it the top-ranked military in total active personnel.


Australia:
As of mid-2024, the Australian Army permanent force has approximately 27,700–28,500 active personnel, supported by over 15,000–22,000 active reservists. The total Australian Defence Force (ADF) permanent workforce is over 57,000, with government plans to increase the total defence workforce to over 100,000 by 2040.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 3:26pm:

China: The People's Liberation Army (PLA) of China is one of the world's largest, with approximately 2.035 million active-duty personnel as of 2025, supported by roughly 510,000 to 550,000 reserves. The PLA Ground Force, although shrinking in size to allow for modernization, remains a massive force, while the navy and air force have expanded, making it the top-ranked military in total active personnel. Australia: As of mid-2024, the Australian Army permanent force has approximately 27,700–28,500 active personnel, supported by over 15,000–22,000 active reservists. The total Australian Defence Force (ADF) permanent workforce is over 57,000, with government plans to increase the total defence workforce to over 100,000 by 2040.

The PLA is about as corrupt an organisation as any org can get.

It is more divided ethnically and culturally than any army on earth.

They have no experience fighting a major war.

The CCP has no allies to speak of in a war against Australia that would, for certain, include a war against the US, Japan and South Korea... likely also Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, the Philippines...

And nevermind the internal uprisings of the Xinjiangese and Inner Mongolians... likely also the Tibetans and Hong Kongers.

Then the Russians and Indians bacon-slicing Chinese-controlled territory along their borders.

Why do you think the CCP hasn't even attempted to attack Taiwan?

The CCP cannot take its eyes of internal divisions for one week, let alone focus on a full-scale, bankrupting war for which they do not have even one week's experience in fighting.

The CCP can pot-bang about Taiwan, because Taiwan's allies let it... and that's it.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 3:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:26pm: China: The People's Liberation Army (PLA) of China is one of the world's largest, with approximately 2.035 million active-duty personnel as of 2025, supported by roughly 510,000 to 550,000 reserves. The PLA Ground Force, although shrinking in size to allow for modernization, remains a massive force, while the navy and air force have expanded, making it the top-ranked military in total active personnel. Australia: As of mid-2024, the Australian Army permanent force has approximately 27,700–28,500 active personnel, supported by over 15,000–22,000 active reservists. The total Australian Defence Force (ADF) permanent workforce is over 57,000, with government plans to increase the total defence workforce to over 100,000 by 2040. The PLA is about as corrupt an organisation as any org can get. It is more divided ethnically and culturally than any army on earth. They have no experience fighting a major war. The CCP has no allies to speak of in a war against Australia that would, for certain, include a war against the US, Japan and South Korea... likely also Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, the Philippines... And nevermind the internal uprisings of the Xinjiangese and Inner Mongolians... likely also the Tibetans and Hong Kongers. Then the Russians and Indians bacon-slicing Chinese-controlled territory along their borders. Why do you think the CCP hasn't even attempted to attack Taiwan? The CCP cannot take its eyes of internal divisions for one week, let alone focus on a full-scale, bankrupting war for which they do not have even one week's experience in fighting. The CCP can pot-bang about Taiwan, because Taiwan's allies let it... and that's it.

Except if they forget about Taiwan and go for us instead.
Go where they are least expected.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 3:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:37pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:26pm: China: The People's Liberation Army (PLA) of China is one of the world's largest, with approximately 2.035 million active-duty personnel as of 2025, supported by roughly 510,000 to 550,000 reserves. The PLA Ground Force, although shrinking in size to allow for modernization, remains a massive force, while the navy and air force have expanded, making it the top-ranked military in total active personnel. Australia: As of mid-2024, the Australian Army permanent force has approximately 27,700–28,500 active personnel, supported by over 15,000–22,000 active reservists. The total Australian Defence Force (ADF) permanent workforce is over 57,000, with government plans to increase the total defence workforce to over 100,000 by 2040. The PLA is about as corrupt an organisation as any org can get. It is more divided ethnically and culturally than any army on earth. They have no experience fighting a major war. The CCP has no allies to speak of in a war against Australia that would, for certain, include a war against the US, Japan and South Korea... likely also Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, the Philippines... And nevermind the internal uprisings of the Xinjiangese and Inner Mongolians... likely also the Tibetans and Hong Kongers. Then the Russians and Indians bacon-slicing Chinese-controlled territory along their borders. Why do you think the CCP hasn't even attempted to attack Taiwan? The CCP cannot take its eyes of internal divisions for one week, let alone focus on a full-scale, bankrupting war for which they do not have even one week's experience in fighting. The CCP can pot-bang about Taiwan, because Taiwan's allies let it... and that's it. Except if they forget about Taiwan and go for us instead. Go where they are least expected.

Yep, well... they don't dare take on Taiwan, only minutes from China's border. but theyll take on Australia with our Conga-line of guaranteed powerful allies, eh!

And wouldn't the separatist regions within China love it!

Also, Xi Jinping has just completed yet another purge of China's military high command, including two childhood friends who'd survived, alongside him, Mao's purges and his Cultural Revolution. Xi's all out of love among even his closest internal allies.

The only Conga line Xi has is the one with all those who'd string him up and hang him at the Forbidden City's gate of Heavenly Peace.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Yep, well... they don't dare take on Taiwan, only minutes from China's border. but theyll take on Australia with our Conga-line of guaranteed powerful allies, eh! And wouldn't the separatist regions within China love it! Also, Xi Jinping has just completed yet another purge of China's military high command, including two childhood friends who'd survived, alongside him, Mao's purges and his Cultural Revolution. Xi's all out of love among even his closest internal allies. The only Conga line Xi has is the one with all those who'd string him up and hang him at the Forbidden City's gate of Heavenly Peace.

Xi is a ruthless, vicious dictator - he doesn't care about human life -
that's why we need to fear him.

Frank wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 9:25am:

Why Europe’s elites have embraced sneering anti-Americanism Expressing anger against America appears to be the one emotion that binds the European political establishment. As one Financial Times commentator explained earlier this month, ‘Trump is Europe’s best enemy yet’. He has apparently provided Europe with the ‘common foe’ it needs. It appears that anti-Americanism is now the glue holding together otherwise disoriented and divided European elites. .... Contempt for the American way of life has always been particularly widespread among European intellectual and the cultural elites. Writing at the turn of the 20th century, British economist Sydney Brooks attributed the hostility to America to ‘envy of her prosperity and success’. Europeans, he wrote, ‘intensely resent the bearing of Americans… They hate the American form of swagger.’ They saw a country ‘crudely and completely immersed in materialism’. One of the most famous slurs against the US came in the early 20th century, when French prime minister Georges Clemenceau sneered that, ‘America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilisation’. During the Cold War years, Europe’s cultural elite continued to view America with a mixture of resentment and contempt. ‘America the violent, America the crass, America the inept have all become everyday images in Europe’, concluded the US ambassador in London in early 1987. This attitude has got much worse since. The well-known British author Margaret Drabble wrote in May 2003, two months after the invasion of Iraq: ‘It has possessed me like a disease. It rises in my throat like acid reflux… I can’t keep it down any longer. I detest Disneyfication. I detest Coca-Cola. I detest burgers. I detest sentimental and violent Hollywood movies that tell lies about history.’ Drabble’s visceral disgust towards America was shared throughout Europe. German theatre director Peter Zadek gave full vent to his prejudices against the American people during the Iraq War: ‘The Bush administration was more or less democratically elected, and it had the support of the majority of Americans in its Iraq War. One can therefore be against the Americans, just as most of the world was against the Germans in the Second World War. In this sense, I am an anti-American.’ Today, the European elites’ anti-American ideology has acquired a new dimension. It is now interwoven with their fear and loathing of the right-wing populism now rising within Europe itself. As Mark Leonard, director of the European Council on Foreign Relations, wrote in the Guardian last week: ‘European governments are terrified of Donald Trump’s threats on trade, Greenland and the future of NATO. But the biggest threat is not that Trump invades an ally or leaves Europe at the mercy of Russia. It is that his ideological movement could transform Europe from the inside.’ ... There is no reason to think that the populist surge in Europe will abate when Trump departs the White House. European elites, uncomfortable with the principle of national sovereignty, have long channelled decision-making away from the people and towards expert institutions, non-governmental organisations and international bodies. It is this profound democratic deficit, not the Trump White House, that has provided populist movements with their energy. They appeal to vast swathes of Europe’s national publics – to those, that is, who believe that they have been excluded from the decision-making that impacts their lives. It is therefore unlikely that European elites’ increasingly shrill anti-Americanism will do much to dent the growing influence of populist parties. Nor can it create a European identity with widespread public appeal. As matters stand, European anti-Americanism is likely to emulate the post-Brexit ‘Remainer’ identity.Like Remainerism’s antipathy to British national sovereignty, this new Europeanism has little substantive content beyond its opposition to Trump’s America.

Rubio at the Munich conference:

https://youtu.be/yOjBJ89aeXA

"rule of (international) law is a delusion"....ok, back to 'might is right' and 'rule by terror'.

"we will always be a child of Europe"...but low and middle class are in the midst of a c-o-l crisis in EU and US. 

"we demand reciprocity" ...code for Europeans must  pay for NATO.

"faith in (our) God" - a delusion.

"We must compete in the "Global South"; how - given IMF policies crush development in the global south.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 4:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:00pm: Yep, well... they don't dare take on Taiwan, only minutes from China's border. but theyll take on Australia with our Conga-line of guaranteed powerful allies, eh! And wouldn't the separatist regions within China love it! Also, Xi Jinping has just completed yet another purge of China's military high command, including two childhood friends who'd survived, alongside him, Mao's purges and his Cultural Revolution. Xi's all out of love among even his closest internal allies. The only Conga line Xi has is the one with all those who'd string him up and hang him at the Forbidden City's gate of Heavenly Peace. Xi is a ruthless, vicious dictator - he doesn't care about human life - that's why we need to fear him.

Xi can now trust almost no one within the Politburo... Sooner or later, he'll be waking up dead... Starting a stupid war is just what would do it. The friends he's purging, and others, are those who are unwilling to commit suicide by starting, or even preparing for, a war against Taiwan.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 4:19pm:

Xi can now trust almost no one within the Politburo... Sooner or later, he'll be waking up dead... Starting a stupid war is just what would do it. The friends he's purging, and others, are those who are unwilling to commit suicide by starting, or even preparing for, a war against Taiwan.

I'm glad to hear that - I suppose we can get rid of our army now?

Oh - and we won't need the subs either?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 4:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:19pm: Xi can now trust almost no one within the Politburo... Sooner or later, he'll be waking up dead... Starting a stupid war is just what would do it. The friends he's purging, and others, are those who are unwilling to commit suicide by starting, or even preparing for, a war against Taiwan. I'm glad to hear that - I suppose we can get rid of our army now? Oh - and we won't need the subs either?

What?? Get rid of our army? What would our leaders offer up when they crawl on all fours behind a US president to a war in Asia?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 4:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:41pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:19pm: Xi can now trust almost no one within the Politburo... Sooner or later, he'll be waking up dead... Starting a stupid war is just what would do it. The friends he's purging, and others, are those who are unwilling to commit suicide by starting, or even preparing for, a war against Taiwan. I'm glad to hear that - I suppose we can get rid of our army now? Oh - and we won't need the subs either? What?? Get rid of our army? What would our leaders offer up when they crawl on all fours behind a US president to a war in Asia?

When they tell us to die on the beaches in Taiwan?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 4:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:41pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:19pm: Xi can now trust almost no one within the Politburo... Sooner or later, he'll be waking up dead... Starting a stupid war is just what would do it. The friends he's purging, and others, are those who are unwilling to commit suicide by starting, or even preparing for, a war against Taiwan. I'm glad to hear that - I suppose we can get rid of our army now? Oh - and we won't need the subs either? What?? Get rid of our army? What would our leaders offer up when they crawl on all fours behind a US president to a war in Asia? When they tell us to die on the beaches in Taiwan?

Well, assuming the position and getting their nose stuck in the sphincter of a US president has been a rite of passage for an Australian prime minister since WW2...

What's a few dead troops, anyway...?

Y'know... For the people, Oi, Oi, Oi...

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 5:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:55pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:41pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:19pm: Xi can now trust almost no one within the Politburo... Sooner or later, he'll be waking up dead... Starting a stupid war is just what would do it. The friends he's purging, and others, are those who are unwilling to commit suicide by starting, or even preparing for, a war against Taiwan. I'm glad to hear that - I suppose we can get rid of our army now? Oh - and we won't need the subs either? What?? Get rid of our army? What would our leaders offer up when they crawl on all fours behind a US president to a war in Asia? When they tell us to die on the beaches in Taiwan? Well, assuming the position and getting their nose stuck in the sphincter of a US president has been a rite of passage for an Australian prime minister since WW2... What's a few dead troops, anyway...? Y'know... For the people, Oi, Oi, Oi...

A very stupid, sneering thing to say.

Australia, like other countries, has alliances, friendly countries as well as hostile and antagonstic opponents.

For 40 years after WWII it was the US and the Western aliance versus the commies.
Now it's the US and the Western alliance (weak as it is) versus still the commies and the Muslims.



Yes, with the steady demographic transformation of Austrlai, the alliance may change, althougfh I am not sure which demographic will prevail - Chinese, Indian or Muslim. Seeing Chinese infertlity, I am not betting on the Chinese. But China doesn't need to occupy anyone to dominate.

Frank wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 5:37pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 5:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:55pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:41pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:19pm: Xi can now trust almost no one within the Politburo... Sooner or later, he'll be waking up dead... Starting a stupid war is just what would do it. The friends he's purging, and others, are those who are unwilling to commit suicide by starting, or even preparing for, a war against Taiwan. I'm glad to hear that - I suppose we can get rid of our army now? Oh - and we won't need the subs either? What?? Get rid of our army? What would our leaders offer up when they crawl on all fours behind a US president to a war in Asia? When they tell us to die on the beaches in Taiwan? Well, assuming the position and getting their nose stuck in the sphincter of a US president has been a rite of passage for an Australian prime minister since WW2... What's a few dead troops, anyway...? Y'know... For the people, Oi, Oi, Oi... A very stupid, sneering thing to say. Australia, like other countries, has alliances, friendly countries as well as hostile and antagonstic opponents. For 40 years after WWII it was the US and the Western aliance versus the commies. Now it's the US and the Western alliance (weak as it is) versus still the commies and the Muslims. Yes, with the steady demographic transformation of Austrlai, the alliance may change, althougfh I am not sure which demographic will prevail - Chinese, Indian or Muslim. Seeing Chinese infertlity, I am not betting on the Chinese. But China doesn't need to occupy anyone to dominate.

Well, you can always slink off back home from where you came from... you're old enough, I'm guessing, for anyone not to recognise you, so... you should be OK... A namechange might help... Sebastian Melmoth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwdHz1Xnfm0

George Will, former Reagan supporter, takes Trump down in this powerful speech.

(But Will doesn't understand why Neoliberalism itself is failing..).

Anyway, note this  in the comments section, in reply to a MAGA supporter who is defending Trump:


Because he (ie, Will) is telling the truth? You loved him when he defended the Republican party ideology. I am a conservative at heart. This is now about what is moral and right. Right now this is the Republican party at its lowest. This is grotesquely evil and unjust. God will hold this country and the party in power accountable. You can mark it down.


.....political hyperpartisanship on steroids

Just shows what happens when adversarial-party elections can no longer serve the nation, because the global economy  is too complicated for people to understand, in a era of increasing ecological stress and mal-distribution of resources.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 5:56pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 5:37pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 5:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:55pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:41pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:19pm: Xi can now trust almost no one within the Politburo... Sooner or later, he'll be waking up dead... Starting a stupid war is just what would do it. The friends he's purging, and others, are those who are unwilling to commit suicide by starting, or even preparing for, a war against Taiwan. I'm glad to hear that - I suppose we can get rid of our army now? Oh - and we won't need the subs either? What?? Get rid of our army? What would our leaders offer up when they crawl on all fours behind a US president to a war in Asia? When they tell us to die on the beaches in Taiwan? Well, assuming the position and getting their nose stuck in the sphincter of a US president has been a rite of passage for an Australian prime minister since WW2... What's a few dead troops, anyway...? Y'know... For the people, Oi, Oi, Oi... A very stupid, sneering thing to say. Australia, like other countries, has alliances, friendly countries as well as hostile and antagonstic opponents. For 40 years after WWII it was the US and the Western aliance versus the commies. Now it's the US and the Western alliance (weak as it is) versus still the commies and the Muslims. Yes, with the steady demographic transformation of Austrlai, the alliance may change, althougfh I am not sure which demographic will prevail - Chinese, Indian or Muslim. Seeing Chinese infertlity, I am not betting on the Chinese. But China doesn't need to occupy anyone to dominate. Well, you can always slink off back home from where you came from... you're old enough, I'm guessing, for anyone not to recognise you, so... you should be OK... A namechange might help... Sebastian Melmoth?

ANY disagreemeng with you on ANY topic prompts your Pavlovian snarling about homos. It MUST be a latent and not so latent preoccupation of yours.

Your instant countering of any disagreement is about snarling about homos. Never any backing up of your points, never any citing of supporting arguments or views, never any reasoning - just instant homo snarling.

You against a homosexual world.  We read you.

Frank wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 6:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 5:56pm: Frank wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 5:37pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 5:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:55pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:41pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:19pm: Xi can now trust almost no one within the Politburo... Sooner or later, he'll be waking up dead... Starting a stupid war is just what would do it. The friends he's purging, and others, are those who are unwilling to commit suicide by starting, or even preparing for, a war against Taiwan. I'm glad to hear that - I suppose we can get rid of our army now? Oh - and we won't need the subs either? What?? Get rid of our army? What would our leaders offer up when they crawl on all fours behind a US president to a war in Asia? When they tell us to die on the beaches in Taiwan? Well, assuming the position and getting their nose stuck in the sphincter of a US president has been a rite of passage for an Australian prime minister since WW2... What's a few dead troops, anyway...? Y'know... For the people, Oi, Oi, Oi... A very stupid, sneering thing to say. Australia, like other countries, has alliances, friendly countries as well as hostile and antagonstic opponents. For 40 years after WWII it was the US and the Western aliance versus the commies. Now it's the US and the Western alliance (weak as it is) versus still the commies and the Muslims. Yes, with the steady demographic transformation of Austrlai, the alliance may change, althougfh I am not sure which demographic will prevail - Chinese, Indian or Muslim. Seeing Chinese infertlity, I am not betting on the Chinese. But China doesn't need to occupy anyone to dominate. Well, you can always slink off back home from where you came from... you're old enough, I'm guessing, for anyone not to recognise you, so... you should be OK... A namechange might help... Sebastian Melmoth? ANY disagreemeng with you on ANY topic prompts your Pavlovian snarling about homos. It MUST be a latent and not so latent preoccupation of yours. Your instant countering of any disagreement is about snarling about homos. Never any backing up of your points, never any citing of supporting arguments or views, never any reasoning - just instant homo snarling. You against a homosexual world.  We read you.

Reread the sh!t you post here when you're in a gay rage...

I don't read them doing it to you.

Just like your hometown, garbage like you don't belong in public forums.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 4:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:41pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:19pm: Xi can now trust almost no one within the Politburo... Sooner or later, he'll be waking up dead... Starting a stupid war is just what would do it. The friends he's purging, and others, are those who are unwilling to commit suicide by starting, or even preparing for, a war against Taiwan. I'm glad to hear that - I suppose we can get rid of our army now? Oh - and we won't need the subs either? What?? Get rid of our army? What would our leaders offer up when they crawl on all fours behind a US president to a war in Asia? When they tell us to die on the beaches in Taiwan?

Well - those little Yellow Perils had better understand that, despite defence cuts and the guts cut out of the Navy - Australia can still send in a gum boot!!

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 9:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:55pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:41pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:19pm: Xi can now trust almost no one within the Politburo... Sooner or later, he'll be waking up dead... Starting a stupid war is just what would do it. The friends he's purging, and others, are those who are unwilling to commit suicide by starting, or even preparing for, a war against Taiwan. I'm glad to hear that - I suppose we can get rid of our army now? Oh - and we won't need the subs either? What?? Get rid of our army? What would our leaders offer up when they crawl on all fours behind a US president to a war in Asia? When they tell us to die on the beaches in Taiwan? Well - those little Yellow Perils had better understand that, despite defence cuts and the guts cut out of the Navy - Australia can still send in a gum boot!!

Without the Yanks we can't defend ourselves - just like WW2.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2026 at 8:18pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 6:27pm: ANY disagreemeng with you on ANY topic prompts your Pavlovian snarling about homos. It MUST be a latent and not so latent preoccupation of yours. Your instant countering of any disagreement is about snarling about homos. Never any backing up of your points, never any citing of supporting arguments or views, never any reasoning - just instant homo snarling. You against a homosexual world.  We read you. Reread the sh!t you post here when you're in a gay rage... I don't read them doing it to you. Just like your hometown, garbage like you don't belong in public forums.

I rest my case.

Press the button 'disagree' and the homo frothing and snarling spews forth. And never mind that the topic has nuffin to do wiv homos. To you, every disagreement does.

You versus a homo world. A wannabe medieval German mystic pseud versus homo world.


Tell us about your childhood traumas. Of perhajps dont.

Marco Rubio get a standing ovation at the Munich security conference:

https://youtu.be/tt9wtSrs7sw?si=U5PMyCYDAMS6SbzT

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/2023534280543269153