If you zoom out and look at history honestly, basically all land is conquered land. Borders didn’t magically appear because everyone agreed nicely. People moved, fought wars, took territory, lost it, took it back, and repeated that cycle for thousands of years. Tribes replaced other tribes, kingdoms swallowed smaller kingdoms, empires collapsed and new states popped up. There’s no country on Earth that doesn’t sit on land someone else lived on before.

That’s why the idea of an exclusively “colonial settler” state doesn’t really make sense. It treats some countries as morally illegitimate while giving others a free pass, even though they came into existence the exact same way. Australia, the US, China, Turkey, and most of Europe only exist in their current form because of conquest, displacement, or forced assimilation at some point. That’s not a defence, it’s just reality.

Israel gets singled out a lot in this debate, as if it’s uniquely evil or fake. But the land has changed hands constantly for thousands of years under different empires and rulers. Israel emerged after war, the collapse of the British mandate, and competing nationalist movements, which is how heaps of modern states formed. You can criticise Israeli government policies without pretending Israel is some special exception to how history actually works.

Fine, in the 19th century you load the cannon and win the territory.  In the 20th C you invade Russia for 1000 years and get 3. Then along comes UN and wrecks it all.

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8-)

Here we see the first European invasion for expansion since the UN system of international law was agreed by the world.

Where?  ;D

terra nullius

chimera wrote on Feb 9^th, 2026 at 7:52pm:

terra nullius

Fauna.

That's how Abos saw themselves. Thats how you can stay unchanged for 40 thousand years. The most rigidly conservative, unchanging, incurious people on earth.
Fauna.

and also, Ukrainians are homosexual drug-addict genocidal nazis under American command. 

MattE wrote on Feb 9^th, 2026 at 4:32pm:

Israel gets singled out a lot in this debate, as if it’s uniquely evil or fake.

The problem is the UN facilated Israel's  creation, supposedly under a new system of international law which was supposed to end the age of "might is right".

UN res 181 involved the confiscatioin of half of Palestine Mandate lands - which is why Dr. Abdel Fattah sees Israel as a "colonial settler state" ie,  displacing the occupants of the land in 1947. 

As chimp pointed out in his first post (in a rare moment of relative lucidity - if you can translate "chimp" language) the UN was supposed to end the "might is right" regime which MattE cites in defence of Israel's creation.



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But the land has changed hands constantly for thousands of years under different empires and rulers. Israel emerged after war, the collapse of the British mandate, and competing nationalist movements, which is how heaps of modern states formed. You can criticise Israeli government policies without pretending Israel is some special exception to how history actually works.

What other states did the UN faciliate the creation of?

Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2026 at 8:29pm:

chimera wrote on Feb 9th, 2026 at 7:52pm: terra nullius Fauna. That's how Abos saw themselves. Thats how you can stay unchanged for 40 thousand years. The most rigidly conservative, unchanging, incurious people on earth. Fauna.

That's what they accuse the settlers of calling/treating them.

It's still falsely tossed up today to suit their narrative.

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 10^th, 2026 at 9:00am:

MattE wrote on Feb 9th, 2026 at 4:32pm: Israel gets singled out a lot in this debate, as if it’s uniquely evil or fake. The problem is the UN facilated Israel's  creation, supposedly under a new system of international law which was supposed to end the age of "might is right". UN res 181 involved the confiscatioin of half of Palestine Mandate lands - which is why Dr. Abdel Fattah sees Israel as a "colonial settler state" ie,  displacing the occupants of the land in 1947.  As chimp pointed out in his first post (in a rare moment of relative lucidity - if you can translate "chimp" language) the UN was supposed to end the "might is right" regime which MattE cites in defence of Israel's creation. Quote: But the land has changed hands constantly for thousands of years under different empires and rulers. Israel emerged after war, the collapse of the British mandate, and competing nationalist movements, which is how heaps of modern states formed. You can criticise Israeli government policies without pretending Israel is some special exception to how history actually works. What other states did the UN faciliate the creation of?

Israel existed long before the Romans removed the name.

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Hebrew: מְדִינַת יִשְׂרָאֵל, Medīnat Yīsrāʾēl 'State of Israel'.
Rome called it Judaea, then Syria Palaestine after 135 CE.
The previous Israel was a kingdom.