I ran this through ChatGPT to get it under 5000 characters. However, if you want to read the original, the link is at the bottom.

Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind.

Tony Abbott: Bondi massacre is what happens when assimilation fails

Western countries must ensure newcomers embrace their values

By Tony Abbott
18 December 2025

NATIONAL POST

It is Australia’s great shame that the worst atrocity committed against Jewish people since the October 7 massacre occurred here. In this grim respect, Australia now joins other Western nations grappling with militant Islamist extremism—despite the courage of a Muslim bystander who wrestled a gun from one attacker.

This atrocity did not arise in isolation. It represents the latest escalation in a campaign of Jew hatred that began almost immediately after October 7, when local Islamist preachers publicly rejoiced in the slaughter. It continued with a mob at the Sydney Opera House chanting “f—k the Jews,” followed by more than 100,000 people marching across the Sydney Harbour Bridge shouting “death to the IDF” and “globalize the intifada.”

As was entirely predictable, incitement has now translated into violence. Graffiti and vandalism gave way to synagogue firebombings, and now mass murder at Bondi. When calls for violence are tolerated, violence inevitably follows—and not only against Jews, but against anyone who does not conform to the demands of an apocalyptic Islamist worldview.

Yet Australia’s political response has been one of extraordinary weakness. No hate preachers have been prosecuted or deported. No extremist marches have been banned, despite laws that clearly permit such action when protest becomes intimidation. Instead, political leaders have pointed to tougher gun laws—despite Australia already having some of the strictest in the world—rather than confronting the Islamist ideology that celebrates “death to the infidel.”

Equally troubling is the continued reluctance, in the name of avoiding offence, to debate whether all belief systems are compatible with a liberal democratic society. Support for a caliphate or theocratic rule sits in obvious conflict with democratic parliaments, freedom of speech, religion, assembly and conscience—principles long taken for granted in Australia and across the West.

Since 1993, new citizens have pledged allegiance to Australia, affirming that they share its democratic beliefs, respect its rights and liberties, and uphold its laws. Since 2007, adult migrants have also been required to pass a citizenship test, including questions on freedom of religion and equality before the law. These are modest expectations, yet around 35 per cent of applicants reportedly fail. In the wake of the Bondi massacre, citizenship must mean more than reciting words—it must reflect genuine commitment.

Australia has always been a settler nation, but migrants were once expected to integrate quickly, learn English, work, and ultimately assimilate into the national mainstream. Multiculturalism, imported from Canada in the 1970s, has weakened this expectation, fostering “hyphenated Australians,” empty slogans, and grievance-driven identity politics that extremist ideologies readily exploit.

Because migrants choose Australia, presumably for what it is, we do them no favour by diluting the Anglo-Celtic civic culture or the Judaeo-Christian ethical framework that underpin our freedoms. In a multiethnic society, strong civic patriotism—rooted in shared values and common history—is essential to national cohesion.

While discrimination based on race or religion is rightly rejected, societies must still discriminate on values. Failure to do so risks self-destruction through misplaced tolerance. That Australia is now debating deporting extremist non-citizens and scrutinising visa applicants’ public views is overdue. The tragedy is that it has taken our worst terrorist outrage to make these truths speakable again.

SOURCE: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/tony-abbott-bondi-massacre-is-what-happens-when-assimilation-fails

Abbott is yesterday’s man and today’s twit.

Muslims can swear allegiance, loyalty, love and whatever else they choose but such swearing, oath taking or promises mean nothing if, for the good of Islam, they lie.

There is no issue with expecting people who move to Australia to join "TEAM AUSTRALIA".

The supository of no wisdom what so ever.

Abbot is right.

But he, like Frydo, are too late. They should have been saying and doing this when they were in office.


But they were never in power. No centre right government is ever in POWER in the West, only in office. They were as multiculti enablers of Islamic jihad against the West as any Albo, Tony Burqa or Farkyouqi, ScoMo, Howard, Keating, Hawke and all the rest.

Uniparty. Unibureaucracy. Uniuni, Unimedia, Uniflowers and uniheadtilts.
As long as nothing is actually done.

I agree, all of these good ideas are always too late.

The warning signs have been around for ages.

Why assume that Muslims want to assimilate?

They don't. They are absolutists. They want to get their numbers up and conquer bit by bit until they rule Australia like Jews do in America.

Which part of them will rule?

'Muslim leaders said they raised concerns about radical cleric Haddad – also known as Abu Ousayd – who has over many years cultivated a network of followers, some of whom have been convicted of terrorist offences. “The community has been saying for over 10 years, ‘Why haven’t you arrested this individual?’ He is destroying lots of these young men,” he said. https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/muslim-community-warned-police-about-radical-preacher-linked-to-bondi-shooter-20251219-p5np3i.html

MattE wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 2:43pm:

Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind.

Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel".

Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948.

Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find.... 

Jasin wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 1:13pm:

They don't. They are absolutists. They want to get their numbers up and conquer bit by bit until they rule Australia like Jews do in America.

Antisemitic hate speech.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 2:28pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:13pm: They don't. They are absolutists. They want to get their numbers up and conquer bit by bit until they rule Australia like Jews do in America. Antisemitic hate speech.

That's the view of Anti Semetics dickhead.
With Moslems having already having lay claim to Australia publically as THEIR Promised Land with the Jews in America as another excuse.

Jews & American Indians for Asia
Moslems and Australian Abos for Africa

You tell me your expert understanding of colonisation and what humanity is trying to achieve as a due process to be experienced towards a world of equality and fullfilled potential?

C'mon Poof. Sound up like you gotta pair!

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 1:57pm:

MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....

There is nothing wrong with patriotism.

It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil.

MattE wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 2:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm: MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....  There is nothing wrong with patriotism. It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil.

...just as  claims by 'infidels'  re ownership of Muslim land can lead to evil.

So why are Jews considered to be Infidels by Muslims?

Jasin wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 1:13pm:

They don't. They are absolutists. They want to get their numbers up and conquer bit by bit until they rule Australia like Jews do in America.

Ah  - I see: Jews aren't absolutists, they just want to possess their own little state, after having lost the original one  2000 years ago.

Problem is Jews are considerd infidels by 1.5 billion Muslims who objected to the usurpation of  Muslim Palestine by infidels.   

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 3:10pm:

MattE wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:42pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm: MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....  There is nothing wrong with patriotism. It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil. ...just as  claims by 'infidels'  re ownership of Muslim land can lead to evil. So why are Jews considered to be Infidels by Muslims?

Because they aren’t Muslims.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 3:10pm:

MattE wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:42pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm: MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....  There is nothing wrong with patriotism. It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil. ...just as  claims by 'infidels'  re ownership of Muslim land can lead to evil. So why are Jews considered to be Infidels by Muslims?

and you're so knowledgeable?  ;D

Everyone who is not Muslim are the Infidels.

Jews just hold a more hateful place in their hearts.

So in that all I can hope is that the Israelis keep kicking their sorry arses in the ME ......

and the western democracies that have allowed unfettered Islamic immigration wake up to themselves.... stop self loathing, realise you've been played & start playing hardball, jail or deport hate preaching Imans & start saying no to Islamic demands, especially in regards to more mosques or Islamic centres that teach the hate.

The bastards had improvised explosive devices:

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/21/australia/australia-bondi-beach-allegations-intl-hnk


The alleged facts state the pair threw four improvised devices at the crowd, moments before they started shooting, though none of them detonated. The document states the three pipe bombs and a tennis ball bomb were all viable.

Images of the IEDs were included in document, including a fifth suspected bomb placed in the trunk of the vehicle they used to drive to Bondi to carry out the attack.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 10:05am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 3:10pm: MattE wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:42pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm: MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....  There is nothing wrong with patriotism. It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil. ...just as  claims by 'infidels'  re ownership of Muslim land can lead to evil. So why are Jews considered to be Infidels by Muslims? Because they aren’t Muslims.

Well, yes , but from the view of the Koran, which sees all the OT Prophets as messengers of God, prophets whom Jews themselves rejected from time to time: 

(google)

Jewish history includes instances where people rejected specific Old Testament (OT) prophets (like Jeremiah or Micaiah), often violently, because their messages challenged leadership and traditions, but Judaism fully accepts the canon of OT prophets as God's messengers, though they believe the era of prophecy ended, and they reject figures like Jesus and Muhammad as fulfilling new prophecy because they claimed to supersede Torah or diverge from core Jewish monotheism

Hence the clashing theologies  of the "Peoples of the Book' on full display:

1. Jews rejected Christ as their long-awaited Messiah.

2. Christians deified Jesus as the Messiah, claiming him to be the Son of (the Jewish) god, via the fancy sophistry of the Trinity. 

3. Muhammud rejected the deity of Jesus  - the 'Son of God', considering the Trinity doctrine (3 gods in one) to be blaspemous and polytheistic.

So Jews and Muslims both reject the deity of Christ; while Muslims agree with Jews that Jahweh ('Allah' in Arabic), is the One True God, a stance rejected  by Jews and Christians.

Modern (non-fundamentalist) theologions are keen to emphasize the peace message of the 3 religions; the problem post 1948 is  the interaction of OT "Promised Land" fundamentalists - supported by RW Christians - against the Muslim inhabitants of Palestine, resulting in Muslim terrorism.

Making 'hate speech' a complex issue for the courts to unravel...

 

Gnads wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 12:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 3:10pm: MattE wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:42pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm: MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....  There is nothing wrong with patriotism. It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil. ...just as  claims by 'infidels'  re ownership of Muslim land can lead to evil. So why are Jews considered to be Infidels by Muslims? and you're so knowledgeable?  ;D

Feel free to point out my errors


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Everyone who is not Muslim are the Infidels.

Correct -  as is the case for all religions? (see my post above).


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Jews just hold a more hateful place in their hearts. So in that all I can hope is that the Israelis keep kicking their sorry arses in the ME ......

So you disagree with Trump who says "Israel will never annex the WB"?

Netanyahu is doing Israel's reputation in the world no favours, by relentlessly annexing the WB.


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and the western democracies that have allowed unfettered Islamic immigration wake up to themselves.... stop self loathing, realise you've been played & start playing hardball, jail or deport hate preaching Imans & start saying no to Islamic demands, especially in regards to more mosques or Islamic centres that teach the hate.

I agree we have a problem in multi-religious Oz....

My preference is to understand how to bring  peace between all the  religions who claim allegiance to the "One True God".

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 1:57pm:

MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....

This is just idiotic.

You are a Chinese patriot, scoundrel.

Muslims can't fit into Australia because of Israel - that is as moronic as the rest of your moronic blathering.

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Bondi massacre a failure of assimilation

Yes they assimilated too many guns ?

Frank wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 6:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm: MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....  This is just idiotic. You are a Chinese patriot, scoundrel. Muslims can't fit into Australia because of Israel - that is as moronic as the rest of your moronic blathering.

You need a new Icon Frank n furter.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/rockyhorror/images/a/a4/Dr_Frank-N-Furter.jpg

Dnarever wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 6:56pm:

Quote: Bondi massacre a failure of assimilation Yes they assimilated too many guns ?

That is just mindlessly idiotic even by your usual mindlessly idiotic duckwit standards, mindlessly idiotic duckwit.

But you will never understand it. That's who you are. Duckwittery.

MattE wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 2:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm: MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....  There is nothing wrong with patriotism. It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil.

How good is the

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MattE wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 2:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm: MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....  There is nothing wrong with patriotism. It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil.

The vast majority of right wing red necked nutters think that extreme nationalism combined with an extreme racial belief and patriotism are synonymous.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 2:34pm:

The bastards had improvised explosive devices: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/21/australia/australia-bondi-beach-allegations-intl-hnk The alleged facts state the pair threw four improvised devices at the crowd, moments before they started shooting, though none of them detonated. The document states the three pipe bombs and a tennis ball bomb were all viable. Images of the IEDs were included in document, including a fifth suspected bomb placed in the trunk of the vehicle they used to drive to Bondi to carry out the attack.

So, not only were they Satan worshipers, morons and murderers.
Try were too stupid to build a bomb.

That would be right
Only retards belong to Islam.
And only even more retarded support Satan's own.

No wonder china has declared Islam a mental illness.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 7:17pm:

MattE wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:42pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm: MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....  There is nothing wrong with patriotism. It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil. The vast majority of right wing red necked nutters think ...

I've seen no evidence to support that.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 7:17pm:

MattE wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:42pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm: MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....  There is nothing wrong with patriotism. It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil. The vast majority of right wing red necked nutters think that extreme nationalism combined with an extreme racial belief and patriotism are synonymous.

Idiotic.

You put in those moronic words of 'extreme'  but they are meanigless. You mongs deploy extreme, ultra, fa right because you are too stupid.

There are many examles in history when patriotism was heroic and exemplary. You mongs cheapen an degrade it all, like everything yoh touch, by appending extreme, far right to it.
But you would die before you would draw the demarcation line between the two patriotism. You mongs just spout idiotic, mindless slogans precisely to save yourselves from thinking.

Frank wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 7:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 7:17pm: MattE wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:42pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm: MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....  There is nothing wrong with patriotism. It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil. The vast majority of right wing red necked nutters think that extreme nationalism combined with an extreme racial belief and patriotism are synonymous. Idiotic. You put in those moronic words of 'extreme'  but they are meanigless. You mongs deploy extreme, ultra, fa right because you are too stupid. There are many examles in history when patriotism was heroic and exemplary. You mongs cheapen an degrade it all, like everything yoh touch, by appending extreme, far right to it. But you would die before you would draw the demarcation line between the two patriotism. You mongs just spout idiotic, mindless slogans precisely to save yourselves from thinking.

Every accusation is an admission.

Valkie wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 7:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 2:34pm: The bastards had improvised explosive devices: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/21/australia/australia-bondi-beach-allegations-intl-hnk The alleged facts state the pair threw four improvised devices at the crowd, moments before they started shooting, though none of them detonated. The document states the three pipe bombs and a tennis ball bomb were all viable. Images of the IEDs were included in document, including a fifth suspected bomb placed in the trunk of the vehicle they used to drive to Bondi to carry out the attack. So, not only were they Satan worshipers, morons and murderers. Try were too stupid to build a bomb. That would be right Only retards belong to Islam. And only even more retarded support Satan's own. No wonder china has declared Islam a mental illness.

Only Trump would know what to do.

More a failure of a silly nation.

But we can change that.

Frank wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 6:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm: MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....  This is just idiotic.

Let's read on, to see if you defend that claim....


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You are a Chinese patriot, scoundrel.

No I'm not, though I do like consistent, goal-oriented (sustainable prosperity for all) 5 year planning by a government, in contrast to the endless policy reversals of adversarial rule in the blind-leading-the-blind democracies maintaining  entrenched socio-economc disadvantage.   


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Muslims can't fit into Australia because of Israel - that is as moronic as the rest of your moronic blathering.

IS supporters of the 'Universal Caliphate' obviously can't assimilate with ANY non-Koranic culture (such assimilation is  against 'god's' sovereignty, in their eyes) ; and the oppression of Muslims in Palestine by 'infidels' turns Muslim ideology into actual IS global terrorism.

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The ultimate aim of the ISIS ideology is that they want to see a divided world.  They wanted a world in which they can have enemies, be them due to difference in race, or religion, it does not matter to them.    Because, they can only thrive in a world of chaos rather than peace.   

They wanted us to believe that people that are different cannot co-exist together, and that there is only place reserved in heaven is for people like themselves.    By carrying out terrorist attacks, they seek to divide us.  And while we are fighting against each other for whom to blame, they thrive in chaos, and gain more recruits. 

In the aftermath of one of the worst terrorist attack in Australia, whilst we have a chorus of voices like Tony Abbot calling for division and blame.  However in reality, the nation has come together in unity.     I see even while the two terrorist are conducting attacks, Australians, or human being of all races and religion came together to stop them.   There are police, ambulance officers, doctors, nurses, tourist, just random members of public from different racial and religious backgrounds working together to protect and to save the victims.    And even days after, long lines would form outside blood banks. 

No I refuse to give in to the idea that Bondi massacre is a failure of assimilation.   It is what likes of Tony Abbot wants to believe, and it is what ISIS want us to believe.  I WILL not give in to their ideology.    I believe Bondi Massacre is an act of terrorism, but its has bought out the best of what is a true Australia, and a success story of multiculturalism.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 3:54pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 12:58pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 3:10pm: MattE wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:42pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm: MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....  There is nothing wrong with patriotism. It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil. ...just as  claims by 'infidels'  re ownership of Muslim land can lead to evil. So why are Jews considered to be Infidels by Muslims? and you're so knowledgeable?  ;D Feel free to point out my errors Quote: Everyone who is not Muslim are the Infidels. Correct -  as is the case for all religions? (see my post above). [quote]Jews just hold a more hateful place in their hearts. So in that all I can hope is that the Israelis keep kicking their sorry arses in the ME ......

So you disagree with Trump who says "Israel will never annex the WB"?

Netanyahu is doing Israel's reputation in the world no favours, by relentlessly annexing the WB.


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and the western democracies that have allowed unfettered Islamic immigration wake up to themselves.... stop self loathing, realise you've been played & start playing hardball, jail or deport hate preaching Imans & start saying no to Islamic demands, especially in regards to more mosques or Islamic centres that teach the hate.

I agree we have a problem in multi-religious Oz....

My preference is to understand how to bring  peace between all the  religions who claim allegiance to the "One True God".
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Ah no it's not.

Who said the Israelis were annexing the West Bank?

No we don't have a multi-religious problem ....

we have a problem with 1.  Islam & it's fundamentalist muslims.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 6:56pm:

Quote: Bondi massacre a failure of assimilation Yes they assimilated too many guns ?

Whose fault is that?

Certainly not the written gun laws....they are adequate.

the interpretation & application of those laws falls on the ASIO, AFP &  Police then ultimately if advised the State & Fed Govts.

The fact that both father & son were interviewed by ASIO in 2019 should have sounded alarm bells.

It should have been flagged when the father applied for a gun license as a non citizen.... but the application was approved by the NSW Police Force's Firearms Registry.

It's ok for Muslims to live in Israel and work in Israel.
It's ok for Muslims to travel into Israel to work.
It's ok for Moslems to have settlement in Israel.

But if Israelis have settlement in West Bank and Gaza.
They are killed, attacked and Leftism calls it invasion and genocide!!

This is the blatant bias that mainstream Media propaganda has delivered for decades.

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 10:50am:

The ultimate aim of the ISIS ideology is that they want to see a divided world.  They wanted a world in which they can have enemies, be them due to difference in race, or religion, it does not matter to them.    Because, they can only thrive in a world of chaos rather than peace.    They wanted us to believe that people that are different cannot co-exist together, and that there is only place reserved in heaven is for people like themselves.    By carrying out terrorist attacks, they seek to divide us.  And while we are fighting against each other for whom to blame, they thrive in chaos, and gain more recruits.  In the aftermath of one of the worst terrorist attack in Australia, whilst we have a chorus of voices like Tony Abbot calling for division and blame.  However in reality, the nation has come together in unity.     I see even while the two terrorist are conducting attacks, Australians, or human being of all races and religion came together to stop them.   There are police, ambulance officers, doctors, nurses, tourist, just random members of public from different racial and religious backgrounds working together to protect and to save the victims.    And even days after, long lines would form outside blood banks.  No I refuse to give in to the idea that Bondi massacre is a failure of assimilation.   It is what likes of Tony Abbot wants to believe, and it is what ISIS want us to believe.  I WILL not give in to their ideology.    I believe Bondi Massacre is an act of terrorism, but its has bought out the best of what is a true Australia, and a success story of multiculturalism.

You have to be joking right?

The division & hate has been festering since Oct 7th 2023 when nothing was done about the "Gas the Jews"... pro-Palestinian demonstration on the steps of the Opera House  & in the following 2 years of their rising anti-Semitism.....

7 days later Australia voted on a referendum as to whether a raced based recognition section into the constitution( divisive identity politics) & for the Govt to form a separate race based advisory body into our Parliament.

It was crushed 60% to 40%. It was nothing but divisive ....... yet State Labor Govts have gone against the vote of their citizens & are signing Treaties & implement an Aboriginal Voice to their Parliaments by stealth ....... without the permission of the voting public.

That is division. 

And it has taken the boos & jeering of Albanese by Australians from all backgrounds & religions to wipe the smirk off his face ..... & maybe just maybe make him rethink his support of a Palestinian state & it's terrorist masters which has been a part of the problem along with his lack of action against the rising anti -Semitism for the past 2 years & it is on his hands.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 7:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 7:17pm: MattE wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:42pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm: MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....  There is nothing wrong with patriotism. It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil. The vast majority of right wing red necked nutters think ... I've seen no evidence to support that.

You have a point.

The older shooter was not a citizen of this country.  Why was his son a citizen? A Muslim anchor baby. How many more are there.


The children of non-citizens should be given citizenship.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 12:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 7:26pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 7:17pm: MattE wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:42pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm: MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....  There is nothing wrong with patriotism. It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil. The vast majority of right wing red necked nutters think ... I've seen no evidence to support that. You have a point.

You like he - have no point. Apologist cretins.

Frank wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2026 at 3:57pm:

The older shooter was not a citizen of this country.  Why was his son a citizen? A Muslim anchor baby. How many more are there. The children of non-citizens should "NOT" be given citizenship.

Fixed.

Gnads wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2026 at 4:19pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 3rd, 2026 at 3:57pm: The older shooter was not a citizen of this country.  Why was his son a citizen? A Muslim anchor baby. How many more are there. The children of non-citizens should "NOT" be given citizenship. Fixed.

Thank you.

I must have had a momentary touch of the Bbwiyawns ...

It has passed now.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 3:10pm:

MattE wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:42pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm: MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm: Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind. Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948. Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find....  There is nothing wrong with patriotism. It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil. ...just as  claims by 'infidels'  re ownership of Muslim land can lead to evil. So why are Jews considered to be Infidels by Muslims?

Because they are not Muslims, same as the rest of us.

Islam cannot possibly assimilate to Western civilisation - or any other non-Islamic civilisation.

It is incompatible at the basic, first principles level. Islam will  NEVER fit in, never wants to fit in, it would be apostasy to fit in.
Islam is the eternal adversary. Unreformable, essentially hostile. That is Islam's function in the world.  Like Mephistopheles, the eternal adversary.

Could someone explain to dividie, in simple terms, that Gaza (not Palestine) is not representative of all Muslims, who, in the main despise 'Palestinians' for more than good reason, that its own self-created troubles are not theirs, and that there is zero reason for Islamites to find it difficult to fit in here as a result?

I cannot reason with the boy.

It is clear that Islamites do not want to fit in here - they want to exloit, even steal, and take control here, and thatthey have no real place here and we have no need for them.

MattE wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 2:42pm:

There is nothing wrong with patriotism. It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil.

What is the difference between patriotism and nationalism.

Both nacio and patria point to the same idea: being born soemewhere , being fathered somewhere, and so being loyal to it.

Australian governments can't make laws to promote any one religion but NSW is close to doing it.
https://www.nsw.gov.au/community-services/one-mitzvah-for-bondi

chimera wrote on Jan 5^th, 2026 at 9:53am:

Australian governments can't make laws to promote any one religion but NSW is close to doing it. https://www.nsw.gov.au/community-services/one-mitzvah-for-bondi

Undoubtedly has the approval of Minns, a Catholic who ignores his religion’s teaching on the right of self defence.