This moron has been by far the worst SecDef in the history of the United States. From Signalgate to lecturing Generals and Admirals and now blowing up boats in the water suspected of carrying drugs - including some not even heading toward the US - Hegseth's tenure has been an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions. Trump claims that his administration is the toughest on drugs ever, yet he just pardoned the former President of Honduras who was convicted in a US court of shipping over 400 tonnes of drugs into the US. I mean, if it wasn't so incredibly serious, it would be beyond hilarious how many mistakes this bunch of imbeciles have made!

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/06/politics/hegseth-carribean-military-action-defend

Pisshead Pete is hopeless.

What do the MAGA crowd have to say about the Honduras drug smuggler being pardoned?

How do they justify that?

I'm curious to see how they spin that one.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2025 at 12:18pm:

Pisshead Pete is hopeless. What do the MAGA crowd have to say about the Honduras drug smuggler being pardoned? How do they justify that? I'm curious to see how they spin that one.

I am sure the MAGA cult members will just go with whatever Trump says. As for the Republicans in Congress, it's time for them to grow a pair and stand up to Trump when he makes idiotic decisions like this. If they don't, then they'll get obliterated at the mid-terms next year and probably worse at the next Presidential election.

How do Frank and aquascoot fall for this stuff?  Seriously?

President Donald Trump pardoned Juan Orlando Hernández, the former president of Honduras, on Dec. 1, claiming without evidence that his prosecution had been a “setup” by the Biden administration and that Hernández was targeted because he was president of a country where drug cartels operated.

But Hernández had been found guilty by a jury after a three-week trial. He was sentenced by a U.S. District judge last year to 45 years in prison for using his position to help drug traffickers import more than 400 tons of cocaine into the United States, while accepting bribes to fuel his political career and protecting violent drug cartel leaders from prosecution in return.

White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt defended Trump’s action as a reversal of “over-prosecution” by the Biden administration. Hernández had been targeted because he was “opposed to the values of the previous administration,” Leavitt told reporters on Dec. 1.

We asked the White House for evidence or further explanation that Hernández’s case had been a “setup” or “over-prosecution” by the Biden administration, but we didn’t receive any response beyond the statements made by the president and Leavitt on Dec. 1.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2025 at 12:26pm:

How do Frank and aquascoot fall for this stuff?  Seriously? President Donald Trump pardoned Juan Orlando Hernández, the former president of Honduras, on Dec. 1, claiming without evidence that his prosecution had been a “setup” by the Biden administration and that Hernández was targeted because he was president of a country where drug cartels operated. But Hernández had been found guilty by a jury after a three-week trial. He was sentenced by a U.S. District judge last year to 45 years in prison for using his position to help drug traffickers import more than 400 tons of cocaine into the United States, while accepting bribes to fuel his political career and protecting violent drug cartel leaders from prosecution in return. White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt defended Trump’s action as a reversal of “over-prosecution” by the Biden administration. Hernández had been targeted because he was “opposed to the values of the previous administration,” Leavitt told reporters on Dec. 1. We asked the White House for evidence or further explanation that Hernández’s case had been a “setup” or “over-prosecution” by the Biden administration, but we didn’t receive any response beyond the statements made by the president and Leavitt on Dec. 1.

No one gets sentenced to 45 years prison after being accused of helping drug traffickers import more than 400 tonnes of drugs without there being substantial evidence for a conviction, least of all a former foreign head of state. The truth is there was no set-up - it's just another in a long list of blatant lies by the Trump administration to justify their mind boggling decisions.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2025 at 12:26pm:

“over-prosecution” by the Biden administration,

Ya gotta love that over-prosecution. Fire two missiles at a motor boat and there's not much left to be imprisoned.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/L3Udl-YjLTQ

chimera wrote on Dec 7^th, 2025 at 12:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 12:26pm: “over-prosecution” by the Biden administration, Ya gotta love that over-prosecution. Fire two missiles at a motor boat and there's not much left to be imprisoned.

For years the U.S. Coast Guard has been highly successful at capturing these drug carrying boats and bringing the occupants in to face U.S. courts. I do not understand how Trump has justified the need to carry out missile strikes on these boats - some of which aren't even heading toward the United States. He claims he plans to carry out land strikes on Venezuela because of drugs being shipped from there to the U.S. and yet issues a full pardon to the former President of Honduras after he helped smuggle 400 tonnes of drugs into the U.S. One could be forgiven for experiencing whiplash over the abrupt changes in Trump's policy decision-making. As with everything involving Trump, it is knee-jerk and not based on evidence or fact.

Putin's got the hypersonic whiz-bangs and nuke torpedoes to send a tsunami across UK.
Trump, well Trump's got an aircraft carrier and missiles to take out a tinny. And its fishermen.

Example

WW2 german v british dogfight in the air if one plane is hit and the pilot parachutes out it is a war crime for the pilot in the victorious aeroplane to come back and shoot the pilot in the parachute out of the sky.

Where is the evidence that these boats are carrying drugs to the united states?

Have they even got the petrol to go to the USA?

Ajax wrote on Dec 7^th, 2025 at 5:59pm:

Example WW2 german v british dogfight in the air if one plane is hit and the pilot parachutes out it is a war crime for the pilot in the victorious aeroplane to come back and shoot the pilot in the parachute out of the sky. Where is the evidence that these boats are carrying drugs to the united states? Have they even got the petrol to go to the USA?

It's been proven now that at least one of the boats was not headed to the USA.

Moreover, there has been zero evidence presented to support the claim that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.

This is quite simply the mass murder of innocent people.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2025 at 6:23pm:

Ajax wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Example WW2 german v british dogfight in the air if one plane is hit and the pilot parachutes out it is a war crime for the pilot in the victorious aeroplane to come back and shoot the pilot in the parachute out of the sky. Where is the evidence that these boats are carrying drugs to the united states? Have they even got the petrol to go to the USA? It's been proven now that at least one of the boats was not headed to the USA. Moreover, there has been zero evidence presented to support the claim that the boats were carrying illicit drugs. This is quite simply the mass murder of innocent people.

Thank for lying, as usual.

And who the **** are YOU, Slovenian union organiser creepy wanker, to be given evidence to so you can approve? Who the bloody ***k do you think you are, creepy, repulsive slandering *%&^**?


There are THIUSANDS of boats in the Carribean. Who is complaining? Narco states.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2025 at 6:23pm:

Ajax wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Example WW2 german v british dogfight in the air if one plane is hit and the pilot parachutes out it is a war crime for the pilot in the victorious aeroplane to come back and shoot the pilot in the parachute out of the sky. Where is the evidence that these boats are carrying drugs to the united states? Have they even got the petrol to go to the USA? It's been proven now that at least one of the boats was not headed to the USA. Moreover, there has been zero evidence presented to support the claim that the boats were carrying illicit drugs. This is quite simply the mass murder of innocent people.

8-)agree

Frank wrote on Dec 7^th, 2025 at 6:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 6:23pm: Ajax wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Example WW2 german v british dogfight in the air if one plane is hit and the pilot parachutes out it is a war crime for the pilot in the victorious aeroplane to come back and shoot the pilot in the parachute out of the sky. Where is the evidence that these boats are carrying drugs to the united states? Have they even got the petrol to go to the USA? It's been proven now that at least one of the boats was not headed to the USA. Moreover, there has been zero evidence presented to support the claim that the boats were carrying illicit drugs. This is quite simply the mass murder of innocent people. Thank for lying, as usual.

All facts.

It's been proven now that at least one of the boats was not headed to the USA.  Fact

Moreover, there has been zero evidence presented to support the claim that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.  Fact

This is quite simply the mass murder of innocent people. Fact

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2025 at 6:37pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 6:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 6:23pm: Ajax wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Example WW2 german v british dogfight in the air if one plane is hit and the pilot parachutes out it is a war crime for the pilot in the victorious aeroplane to come back and shoot the pilot in the parachute out of the sky. Where is the evidence that these boats are carrying drugs to the united states? Have they even got the petrol to go to the USA? It's been proven now that at least one of the boats was not headed to the USA. Moreover, there has been zero evidence presented to support the claim that the boats were carrying illicit drugs. This is quite simply the mass murder of innocent people. Thank for lying, as usual. All facts. It's been proven now that at least one of the boats was not headed to the USA.  Fact Moreover, there has been zero evidence presented to support the claim that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.  Fact This is quite simply the mass murder of innocent people. Fact

You are lying. You know it, I know it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2025 at 6:37pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 6:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 6:23pm: Ajax wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Example WW2 german v british dogfight in the air if one plane is hit and the pilot parachutes out it is a war crime for the pilot in the victorious aeroplane to come back and shoot the pilot in the parachute out of the sky. Where is the evidence that these boats are carrying drugs to the united states? Have they even got the petrol to go to the USA? It's been proven now that at least one of the boats was not headed to the USA. Moreover, there has been zero evidence presented to support the claim that the boats were carrying illicit drugs. This is quite simply the mass murder of innocent people. Thank for lying, as usual. All facts. It's been proven now that at least one of the boats was not headed to the USA.  Fact

The Trump Administration’s justification for striking a boat in the Caribbean in early September, killing all 11 people on board, was that it was carrying a cargo of potentially deadly drugs that was headed to the United States.

But that justification appears to have been undermined by a briefing from the commander of that operation before lawmakers on Thursday, who reportedly said the boat in question was heading to the coast of Suriname.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2025 at 6:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 6:37pm: Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 6:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 6:23pm: Ajax wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Example WW2 german v british dogfight in the air if one plane is hit and the pilot parachutes out it is a war crime for the pilot in the victorious aeroplane to come back and shoot the pilot in the parachute out of the sky. Where is the evidence that these boats are carrying drugs to the united states? Have they even got the petrol to go to the USA? It's been proven now that at least one of the boats was not headed to the USA. Moreover, there has been zero evidence presented to support the claim that the boats were carrying illicit drugs. This is quite simply the mass murder of innocent people. Thank for lying, as usual. All facts. It's been proven now that at least one of the boats was not headed to the USA.  Fact The Trump Administration’s justification for striking a boat in the Caribbean in early September, killing all 11 people on board, was that it was carrying a cargo of potentially deadly drugs that was headed to the United States. But that justification appears to have been undermined by a briefing from the commander of that operation before lawmakers on Thursday, who reportedly said the boat in question was heading to the coast of Suriname.

Appear away, repulsive creep.

Time to go and wash my hands after interacting with you.

Frank wrote on Dec 7^th, 2025 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 6:44pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 6:37pm: Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 6:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 6:23pm: Ajax wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Example WW2 german v british dogfight in the air if one plane is hit and the pilot parachutes out it is a war crime for the pilot in the victorious aeroplane to come back and shoot the pilot in the parachute out of the sky. Where is the evidence that these boats are carrying drugs to the united states? Have they even got the petrol to go to the USA? It's been proven now that at least one of the boats was not headed to the USA. Moreover, there has been zero evidence presented to support the claim that the boats were carrying illicit drugs. This is quite simply the mass murder of innocent people. Thank for lying, as usual. All facts. It's been proven now that at least one of the boats was not headed to the USA.  Fact The Trump Administration’s justification for striking a boat in the Caribbean in early September, killing all 11 people on board, was that it was carrying a cargo of potentially deadly drugs that was headed to the United States. But that justification appears to have been undermined by a briefing from the commander of that operation before lawmakers on Thursday, who reportedly said the boat in question was heading to the coast of Suriname. Appear away, repulsive creep. Time to go and wash my hands after interacting with you.

Hey, old boy, mind your manners and wash your arse too, yeah?

Other people need to use it when Greggery's done.

Frank wrote on Dec 7^th, 2025 at 7:49pm:

Appear away, repulsive creep. Time to go and wash my hands after interacting with you.

Have a feeling your fingers are sticky all the time, fat Frank.

Frank wrote on Dec 7^th, 2025 at 6:39pm:

You are lying. You know it, I know it.

Present your evidence :D :D

Frank wrote on Dec 7^th, 2025 at 6:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 6:23pm: Ajax wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Example WW2 german v british dogfight in the air if one plane is hit and the pilot parachutes out it is a war crime for the pilot in the victorious aeroplane to come back and shoot the pilot in the parachute out of the sky. Where is the evidence that these boats are carrying drugs to the united states? Have they even got the petrol to go to the USA? It's been proven now that at least one of the boats was not headed to the USA. Moreover, there has been zero evidence presented to support the claim that the boats were carrying illicit drugs. This is quite simply the mass murder of innocent people. Thank for lying, as usual. And who the **** are YOU, Slovenian union organiser creepy wanker, to be given evidence to so you can approve? Who the bloody ***k do you think you are, creepy, repulsive slandering *%&^**? There are THIUSANDS of boats in the Carribean. Who is complaining? Narco states.

Christ on a bike!

The Fruitbat down't half get triggered, does he.

Hilarious!

mothra wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 7:41am:

Christ on a bike! The Fruitbat down't half get triggered, does he. Hilarious!

Lately he's been going of like a cracker on new years eve ... I suspect he's on the verge of having a heart attack or stroke unless learns to calm down :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 7:15am:

Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 6:39pm: You are lying. You know it, I know it. Present your evidence :D :D

Still not a single piece of evidence from Hegseth.

Nothing.  Nada.  Zip.  Zero.

And, even if he did present evidence that proves the boats were loaded with illicit drugs and that they were headed directly to the US, that doesn't justify murdering the people onboard.

Summary executions are illegal under US law and international human rights standards.

In another briefing, Bradley was asked whether Hegseth gave him a “no quarter order,” which is an illegal military directive to kill all enemy combatants and show no mercy, even if they surrender or are gravely injured, one of the U.S. officials and a second person with knowledge of the briefing said. They said Bradley replied that he was not given such an order and would not have followed one if it had been given. The White House and Hegseth have said no illegal orders were given.

Unlike a “no quarter order,” an order to kill everyone on a target list is not forbidden under U.S. and international law.

The three sources said Bradley said the military struck the boat with a GBU-69, a precision-guided munition that was set to air burst, meaning it detonated in midair rather than on impact. He said the explosion killed nine of the people on board, capsized the boat and damaged the back of it, including the motor.

Another part of the boat split off and caught fire, but a major section of the boat was not ablaze. The damage made the boat unlikely to continue navigating, Bradley told lawmakers.

For more than 30 minutes, Bradley said, he observed the two survivors among the wreckage.

He told lawmakers there were bags of cocaine on the boat that were not ejected during the initial explosion. Because the bags of cocaine were not seen floating in the water, Bradley said he believed they were strapped in and had stayed tied down during the explosion, making it likely the drugs were still under the capsized boat.

The cocaine was wrapped in plastic waterproof bundles, which likely made them more buoyant and may have contributed to the boat not sinking, he told lawmakers.

The two survivors got on the side of the boat that was not on fire and were able to flip it over and eventually stand on it.

Bradley observed them take off their shirts to check each other for wounds and told lawmakers they did not appear to have any visible injuries. He said the military’s overhead surveillance zoomed in to ensure the survivors weren’t injured or bleeding.

A U.S. military aircraft overhead spotted the survivors waving their arms but could not say with certainty whether they were signaling to the aircraft, Bradley told lawmakers, according to the three sources.

He said he determined that while the boat sustained damage significant enough that it may not be able to navigate, it may still have been able to keep floating or drifting.

U.S. intelligence also spotted another larger boat in the area, determining that the damaged boat was supposed to link up with it to transfer the drugs onto the larger vessel.

The larger boat was not on the approved target list Bradley had, so he did not have the authority strike it. He said because the U.S. did not have positive identification of who was on the larger boat, waiting to see if it came to try to salvage the damaged boat and two survivors was not a viable option.

Bradley explained, the three sources said, that his decision to target the boat with the survivors was because the drugs were not destroyed and the individuals on the boat had not surrendered and were not visibly injured but were still on the list of approved targets. And while the survivors were not armed, he said the mission identified the drugs as the threat to the U.S., effectively deeming the cocaine as the weapon that could endanger Americans.

Even so, Bradley acknowledged to lawmakers that U.S. intelligence did not conclude the drugs were heading to the U.S. Rather it showed that the boat was traveling south toward another country in South America, Suriname, which was first reported by CNN. Bradley told the lawmakers the drugs were eventually heading to Europe or Africa.

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 10:09am:

He told lawmakers there were bags of cocaine on the boat that were not ejected during the initial explosion.

Yes, so he "said".

No evidence to support his claim though.

Nothing.  Nada.  Zip.  Zero.

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 10:09am:

... Bradley acknowledged to lawmakers that U.S. intelligence did not conclude the drugs were heading to the U.S. Rather it showed that the boat was traveling south toward another country in South America, Suriname, which was first reported by CNN. Bradley told the lawmakers the drugs were eventually heading to Europe or Africa.

Ah.

So, now it's not a lie?   :-/

Make up your mind, Frank.

Quote:

U.S. intelligence also spotted another larger boat in the area, determining that the damaged boat was supposed to link up with it to transfer the drugs onto the larger vessel.

I suppose if they play silly games they win silly prizes?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2025 at 12:26pm:

How do Frank and aquascoot fall for this stuff?  Seriously?

They're not merely duped anymore, they're petrified of confronting reality itself, terrified of admitting they were lied to and that they've been catastrophically wrong this entire time.

No longer being misled, they're leaning into their own self‑inflicted TDS, clinging to political fairytales because it's the only bulwark they have left against the mounting cognitive dissonance.

They actively choose comforting fiction over uncomfortable fact, then scramble to justify that choice with arguments so flimsy they collapse under their own weight.

Their fragility and insecurity are immeasurable, which is precisely why they resonate so intensely with Trump and so willingly reduce themselves to his lackeys.

Simping for Trump, the new self‑declared Alphas, a tragicomic evolution of political masculinity.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 11:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 12:26pm: How do Frank and aquascoot fall for this stuff?  Seriously? duped  petrified confronting reality  terrified admitting catastrophically entire misled, self‑inflicted TDS, clinging fairytales bulwark cognitive dissonanca, comforting fiction uncomfortable fact scramble  flimsy collapse own weight. fragility and insecurity immeasurable precisely resonate intensely willingly reduce lackeys simping Alphas tragicomic evolution political masculinity.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


You ARE your own caricature, rambling, talkative, prolix, wordy, pleonastic, long-winded, logorrheic, loquacious, voluble, windy little teapot!

:D :D :D :D

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 12:16pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 11:06am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 12:26pm: How do Frank and aquascoot fall for this stuff?  Seriously? duped  petrified confronting reality  terrified admitting catastrophically entire misled, self‑inflicted TDS, clinging fairytales bulwark cognitive dissonanca, comforting fiction uncomfortable fact scramble  flimsy collapse own weight. fragility and insecurity immeasurable precisely resonate intensely willingly reduce lackeys simping Alphas tragicomic evolution political masculinity. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You ARE your own caricature, rambling, talkative, prolix, wordy, pleonastic, long-winded, logorrheic, loquacious, voluble, windy little teapot! :D :D :D :D

Ah oh, caught editing quotes again Frannie...  Tsk tsk you little bitch...  Taking the cowards way out again.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 12:52pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 12:16pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 11:06am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 12:26pm: How do Frank and aquascoot fall for this stuff?  Seriously? duped  petrified confronting reality  terrified admitting catastrophically entire misled, self‑inflicted TDS, clinging fairytales bulwark cognitive dissonanca, comforting fiction uncomfortable fact scramble  flimsy collapse own weight. fragility and insecurity immeasurable precisely resonate intensely willingly reduce lackeys simping Alphas tragicomic evolution political masculinity. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You ARE your own caricature, rambling, talkative, prolix, wordy, pleonastic, long-winded, logorrheic, loquacious, voluble, windy little teapot! :D :D :D :D Ah oh, caught editing quotes again Frannie...  Tsk tsk you little bitch...  Taking the cowards way out again.

;D ;D ;D ;D
Caught, eh?  You 'caught' me, did you??
Dooo dooo dooo, eh?

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 10:48am:

Quote: U.S. intelligence also spotted another larger boat in the area, determining that the damaged boat was supposed to link up with it to transfer the drugs onto the larger vessel. I suppose if they play silly games they win silly prizes?

I mean - we all know about it -
if you're in a 3 engine power boat that can go 100mph
in international waters on known drug routes then a predator drone will
destroy you with a hellfire missile - with Hegseth at the controls.

How came none of those idiots knew about it?
Did they just take a risk anyway?

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 2:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 10:48am: Quote: U.S. intelligence also spotted another larger boat in the area, determining that the damaged boat was supposed to link up with it to transfer the drugs onto the larger vessel. I suppose if they play silly games they win silly prizes? I mean - we all know about it - if you're in a 3 engine power boat that can go 100mph in international waters on known drug routes then a predator drone will destroy you with a hellfire missile - with Hegseth at the controls. How came none of those idiots knew about it? Did they just take a risk anyway?

There's no evidence to suggest the boats were carrying drugs.

Even if they were, it's illegal to summarily execute drug traffickers.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 2:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 2:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 10:48am: Quote: U.S. intelligence also spotted another larger boat in the area, determining that the damaged boat was supposed to link up with it to transfer the drugs onto the larger vessel. I suppose if they play silly games they win silly prizes? I mean - we all know about it - if you're in a 3 engine power boat that can go 100mph in international waters on known drug routes then a predator drone will destroy you with a hellfire missile - with Hegseth at the controls. How came none of those idiots knew about it? Did they just take a risk anyway? There's no evidence to suggest the boats were carrying drugs. Even if they were, it's illegal to summarily execute drug traffickers.

Show us the law that says it's ilegal, Chief One Hand Fapping.

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 2:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 2:26pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 2:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 10:48am: Quote: U.S. intelligence also spotted another larger boat in the area, determining that the damaged boat was supposed to link up with it to transfer the drugs onto the larger vessel. I suppose if they play silly games they win silly prizes? I mean - we all know about it - if you're in a 3 engine power boat that can go 100mph in international waters on known drug routes then a predator drone will destroy you with a hellfire missile - with Hegseth at the controls. How came none of those idiots knew about it? Did they just take a risk anyway? There's no evidence to suggest the boats were carrying drugs. Even if they were, it's illegal to summarily execute drug traffickers. Show us the law that says it's ilegal, Chief One Hand Fapping.

Show us where it says "summary execution".

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2021-12/Trafficking%20Penalties.pdf

'Murder on the high seas is a crime. Conspiracy to commit murder outside of the United States is a crime. And under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Article 118 makes murder an offense'.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 2:41pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 2:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 2:26pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 2:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 10:48am: Quote: U.S. intelligence also spotted another larger boat in the area, determining that the damaged boat was supposed to link up with it to transfer the drugs onto the larger vessel. I suppose if they play silly games they win silly prizes? I mean - we all know about it - if you're in a 3 engine power boat that can go 100mph in international waters on known drug routes then a predator drone will destroy you with a hellfire missile - with Hegseth at the controls. How came none of those idiots knew about it? Did they just take a risk anyway? There's no evidence to suggest the boats were carrying drugs. Even if they were, it's illegal to summarily execute drug traffickers. Show us the law that says it's ilegal, Chief One Hand Fapping. Show us where it says "summary execution". https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2021-12/Trafficking%20Penalties.pdf

Not 'summary executions' Chief One Hand Fapping.

Designate terrorists are killed every day. If you do not want to be killed, don't get on a boat loaded with drugs. Not complicated.

The Military Attacks on “Drug Boats” are Not Only Ill-advised, Illegal and Immoral, They Are Summary Executions

Recent newspaper reports in the New York Times and other publications indicate that since early September of this year, the Trump Administration has authorized military strikes in the Caribbean and Pacific Ocean which have killed 61 people.  There appear to have been at least 14 strikes on fishing boats which the Administration claims were carrying drugs destined for the United States.  Reports suggest there were at least 3 survivors.

There is no precedent in our law enforcement for this type of summary punishment of people involved in drug importation. In the United States, if individuals hauling drugs by land or sea are intercepted, they are arrested and then given due process of law as to their guilt and the severity of any subsequent sentence.  In these proceedings, the arrested party has the right to present either evidence of innocence to the charges or mitigation as to any sentence.

Drug trafficking on the high seas potentially affecting our country is handled by the United States Coast Guard and/or the United States Navy.  Arrests or the seizure of drugs and other contraband by the military is dealt with as a criminal law problem where the parties are afforded due process.  There is no summary punishment or execution imposed upon the parties merely because it occurs on the high seas.

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 1:08pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 12:52pm: Frank wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 12:16pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 11:06am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 12:26pm: How do Frank and aquascoot fall for this stuff?  Seriously? duped  petrified confronting reality  terrified admitting catastrophically entire misled, self‑inflicted TDS, clinging fairytales bulwark cognitive dissonanca, comforting fiction uncomfortable fact scramble  flimsy collapse own weight. fragility and insecurity immeasurable precisely resonate intensely willingly reduce lackeys simping Alphas tragicomic evolution political masculinity. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You ARE your own caricature, rambling, talkative, prolix, wordy, pleonastic, long-winded, logorrheic, loquacious, voluble, windy little teapot! :D :D :D :D Ah oh, caught editing quotes again Frannie...  Tsk tsk you little bitch...  Taking the cowards way out again. ;D ;D ;D ;D Caught, eh?  You 'caught' me, did you?? Dooo dooo dooo, eh?

You modified it, again, I noticed, therefore yes, I caught you doing it.  Not a difficult concept, dumb arse.

Your surrender is complete.

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 2:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 2:41pm: Frank wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 2:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 2:26pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 2:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 10:48am: Quote: U.S. intelligence also spotted another larger boat in the area, determining that the damaged boat was supposed to link up with it to transfer the drugs onto the larger vessel. I suppose if they play silly games they win silly prizes? I mean - we all know about it - if you're in a 3 engine power boat that can go 100mph in international waters on known drug routes then a predator drone will destroy you with a hellfire missile - with Hegseth at the controls. How came none of those idiots knew about it? Did they just take a risk anyway? There's no evidence to suggest the boats were carrying drugs. Even if they were, it's illegal to summarily execute drug traffickers. Show us the law that says it's ilegal, Chief One Hand Fapping. Show us where it says "summary execution". https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2021-12/Trafficking%20Penalties.pdf Not 'summary executions' Chief One Hand Fapping. Designate terrorists are killed every day. If you do not want to be killed, don't get on a boat loaded with drugs. Not complicated.

There is zero evidence to suggest the boats were loaded with drugs or terrorists.

And even if there was proof of drug trafficking or terrorist activity, summary executions are illegal.

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 2:53pm:

Not 'summary executions' Chief One Hand Fapping. Designate terrorists are killed every day. If you do not want to be killed, don't get on a boat loaded with drugs. Not complicated.

And don't cruise in a power boat designed for racing competitions
with 3 engines that go 100mph hoping that you can outrun a predator drone that
can fly faster and for 24 hours without refueling.

Those power boats can out run any navy ship to get away with crime
but not a predator drone.   ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 2:59pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 2:53pm: Not 'summary executions' Chief One Hand Fapping. Designate terrorists are killed every day. If you do not want to be killed, don't get on a boat loaded with drugs. Not complicated. And don't cruise in a power boat designed for racing competitions with 3 engines that go 100mph hoping that you can outrun a predator drone that can fly faster and for 24 hours without refueling. Those power boats can out run any navy ship to get away with crime but not a predator drone.   ::)

Summarily executing people in speed boats is illegal, no matter how many engines they have.

So it turns out greg and sadroo were talking Shute, who would have guessed. ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 3:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 2:59pm: Frank wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 2:53pm: Not 'summary executions' Chief One Hand Fapping. Designate terrorists are killed every day. If you do not want to be killed, don't get on a boat loaded with drugs. Not complicated. And don't cruise in a power boat designed for racing competitions with 3 engines that go 100mph hoping that you can outrun a predator drone that can fly faster and for 24 hours without refueling. Those power boats can out run any navy ship to get away with crime but not a predator drone.   ::) Summarily executing people in speed boats is illegal, no matter how many engines they have.

You don't know the full story -
maybe they were radioed and told to stop to await a search of their boat and they took
off at 100mph laughing at the coast guards or navy?

Who knows what's going on?

Hegseth declares end of US 'utopian idealism' with new military strategy


Good.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 3:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 2:59pm: Frank wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 2:53pm: Not 'summary executions' Chief One Hand Fapping. Designate terrorists are killed every day. If you do not want to be killed, don't get on a boat loaded with drugs. Not complicated. And don't cruise in a power boat designed for racing competitions with 3 engines that go 100mph hoping that you can outrun a predator drone that can fly faster and for 24 hours without refueling. Those power boats can out run any navy ship to get away with crime but not a predator drone.   ::) Summarily executing people in speed boats is illegal, no matter how many engines they have. You don't know the full story - maybe they were radioed and told to stop to await a search of their boat and they took off at 100mph laughing at the coast guards or navy? Who knows what's going on?

Summarily executing people in speed boats fleeing at 100mph is illegal, no matter how much they were laughing.

Good interview.

Is Hegseth a Murderer?

Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov are joined by Admiral James Stavridis (ret. U.S. Navy) to talk about the boat strikes in the Caribbean, and the possibility that Pete Hegseth’s Pentagon ordered a "double-tap" attack on shipwrecked survivors. Are these war crimes? Or are these strikes outside the laws of war?

In addition to being the former NATO Supreme Allied Commander in Europe from 2009-2013, Admiral Stavridis is also the former head of U.S. Southern Command, the position that oversees the Caribbean waters where these attacks have taken place — and the post from which Admiral Alvin Holsey recently resigned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwNhxM4nyPM

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 3:12pm:

Summarily executing people in speed boats fleeing at 100mph is illegal, no matter how much they were laughing.

Hi Greggy,
did you know that the artist known as Prince was killed by Fentanyl?

How could that have happened?

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 3:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:12pm: Summarily executing people in speed boats fleeing at 100mph is illegal, no matter how much they were laughing. Hi Greggy, did you know that the artist known as Prince was killed by Fentanyl? How could that have happened?

Hi Bobby,

Did you know that fentanyl in the US comes from Mexico, and is smuggled into the country by US citizens?

Also, summarily executing drug traffickers is illegal.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 3:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:12pm: Summarily executing people in speed boats fleeing at 100mph is illegal, no matter how much they were laughing. Hi Greggy, did you know that the artist known as Prince was killed by Fentanyl? How could that have happened? Hi Bobby, Did you know that fentanyl in the US comes from Mexico, and is smuggled into the country by US citizens? Also, summarily executing drug traffickers is illegal.

Precursor chemicals for Fentanyl come from China and they
are turned into Fentanyl in South American countries but also including Mexico.

China wants to destroy the USA from within just like the British
tried to destroy China before the Opium wars.
Only Trump has the balls to stop them.

Ah, there you are Bobby.  Decided once again to poke your nose out from under your bridge?  When are you going to answer my questions?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 3:44pm:

Ah, there you are Bobby.  Decided once again to poke your nose out from under your bridge?  When are you going to answer my questions?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You haven't put any questions to me on this thread.   ::)

forgiven

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 3:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:44pm: Ah, there you are Bobby.  Decided once again to poke your nose out from under your bridge?  When are you going to answer my questions?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) You haven't put any questions to me on this thread.   ::) forgiven namaste

I put the questions here, Bobby.  https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1764903932/120#120

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 3:44pm:

Ah, there you are Bobby.  Decided once again to poke your nose out from under your bridge?  When are you going to answer my questions?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

When fd answers your??

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 2:53pm:

terrorists are killed every day.

terrorist   /ˈtɛrərɪst/    noun
'a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
"four commercial aircraft were hijacked by terrorists'

adjective
'unlawfully using violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims'.

2025 'person in tinny going very quickly in the Gulf of Trump'

.

chimera wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 4:00pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 2:53pm: terrorists are killed every day. terrorist   /ˈtɛrərɪst/    noun 'a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. "four commercial aircraft were hijacked by terrorists' adjective 'unlawfully using violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims'. 2025 'person in tinny going very quickly in the Gulf of Trump'

The narco-terrorists kill 350,000 US civilians every year with their poisons.

Firing narco bullets at victims is terrorism.
Buying drugs and snorting is suicide.
Double missile murder is not very nice.

chimera wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 4:06pm:

Firing narco bullets at victims is terrorism. Buying drugs and snorting is suicide. Double missile murder is not very nice.

First they get them hooked on cocaine -

then they put some Fentanyl in the cocaine and that kills the victim in 2 minutes.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 3:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:12pm: Summarily executing people in speed boats fleeing at 100mph is illegal, no matter how much they were laughing. Hi Greggy, did you know that the artist known as Prince was killed by Fentanyl? How could that have happened? Hi Bobby, Did you know that fentanyl in the US comes from Mexico, and is smuggled into the country by US citizens? Also, summarily executing drug traffickers is illegal. Precursor chemicals for Fentanyl come from China and they are turned into Fentanyl in South American countries but also including Mexico.

The precursors come from China and India.

It's then turned into fentanyl in North America -  Mexico, to be precise.

It's then smuggled into the US through ports of entry by US citizens.

South America plays no part in the process of supplying fentanyl to the US, and even if they did it's still illegal to summarily execute drug traffickers and manufacturers.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 4:08pm:

First they get them hooked on cocaine - then they put some Fentanyl in the cocaine and that kills the victim in 2 minutes.

The man in the boat did all that? Or could have if he had Fentanyl? And may have been going to US? Or not?

Am I the only person who cringes when they hear the words "Department of War" or "Secretary of War"? I sounds unbelievably stupid.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 4:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:12pm: Summarily executing people in speed boats fleeing at 100mph is illegal, no matter how much they were laughing. Hi Greggy, did you know that the artist known as Prince was killed by Fentanyl? How could that have happened? Hi Bobby, Did you know that fentanyl in the US comes from Mexico, and is smuggled into the country by US citizens? Also, summarily executing drug traffickers is illegal. Precursor chemicals for Fentanyl come from China and they are turned into Fentanyl in South American countries but also including Mexico. The precursors come from China and India. It's then turned into fentanyl in North America -  Mexico, to be precise. It's then smuggled into the US through ports of entry by US citizens. South America plays no part in the process of supplying fentanyl to the US, and even if they did it's still illegal to summarily execute drug traffickers and manufacturers.

It's legal to eiminate adjudicated foreign terrorist, by the power vested in the prez by the constitutitution and the Laws.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 5:48pm:

Am I the only person who cringes when they hear the words "Department of War" or "Secretary of War"? I sounds unbelievably stupid.

Alas, you are not the only one.

There are many preenerrs who recoil from spades being called spades.

You are and over the delicately nurtured.

Bex? Paper bag?

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 6:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 4:18pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:12pm: Summarily executing people in speed boats fleeing at 100mph is illegal, no matter how much they were laughing. Hi Greggy, did you know that the artist known as Prince was killed by Fentanyl? How could that have happened? Hi Bobby, Did you know that fentanyl in the US comes from Mexico, and is smuggled into the country by US citizens? Also, summarily executing drug traffickers is illegal. Precursor chemicals for Fentanyl come from China and they are turned into Fentanyl in South American countries but also including Mexico. The precursors come from China and India. It's then turned into fentanyl in North America -  Mexico, to be precise. It's then smuggled into the US through ports of entry by US citizens. South America plays no part in the process of supplying fentanyl to the US, and even if they did it's still illegal to summarily execute drug traffickers and manufacturers. It's legal to eiminate adjudicated foreign terrorist, by the power vested in the prez by the constitutitution and the Laws.

No, it's not.  Summary executions are not permitted under any circumstances.

Moreover, there's no proof that anyone in the boats was a terrorist, or that the boats contained illicit drugs.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 5:48pm:

Am I the only person who cringes when they hear the words "Department of War" or "Secretary of War"? I sounds unbelievably stupid.

They're like little school boys.

They think calling it the 'Department of War' makes them sound tough.

So juvenile and pathetic.

Quite ironic though, considering the rapist in the White Supremacist House said he'd be the President of Peace.

Trump puffs about putting Hillary Clinton in jail and traitor Dems but has backed off, so far. Now he's bombing boats and survivors and has moved the dial up the scale.  It's two steps forward, one back, two forward. He's becoming more dangerous.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 6:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 6:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 4:18pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 3:12pm: Summarily executing people in speed boats fleeing at 100mph is illegal, no matter how much they were laughing. Hi Greggy, did you know that the artist known as Prince was killed by Fentanyl? How could that have happened? Hi Bobby, Did you know that fentanyl in the US comes from Mexico, and is smuggled into the country by US citizens? Also, summarily executing drug traffickers is illegal. Precursor chemicals for Fentanyl come from China and they are turned into Fentanyl in South American countries but also including Mexico. The precursors come from China and India. It's then turned into fentanyl in North America -  Mexico, to be precise. It's then smuggled into the US through ports of entry by US citizens. South America plays no part in the process of supplying fentanyl to the US, and even if they did it's still illegal to summarily execute drug traffickers and manufacturers. It's legal to eiminate adjudicated foreign terrorist, by the power vested in the prez by the constitutitution and the Laws. No, it's not.  Summary executions are not permitted under any circumstances. Moreover, there's no proof that anyone in the boats was a terrorist, or that the boats contained illicit drugs.

Well, they are dead.

Fap on.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 6:59pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 5:48pm: Am I the only person who cringes when they hear the words "Department of War" or "Secretary of War"? I sounds unbelievably stupid. They're like little school boys. They think calling it the 'Department of War' makes them sound tough. So juvenile and pathetic. Quite ironic though, considering the rapist in the White Supremacist House said he'd be the President of Peace.

The military is to wage... what's the word... er... WAR.

America has enemies. Not 'friends whose grievances has not yet been accommodated".

Enemies are killed. In war.  There is no other point to having a military.

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 6:59pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 5:48pm: Am I the only person who cringes when they hear the words "Department of War" or "Secretary of War"? I sounds unbelievably stupid. They're like little school boys. They think calling it the 'Department of War' makes them sound tough. So juvenile and pathetic. Quite ironic though, considering the rapist in the White Supremacist House said he'd be the President of Peace. The military is to wage... what's the word... er... WAR. America has enemies. Not 'friends whose grievances has not yet been accommodated". Enemies are killed. In war.  There is no other point to having a military.

Fap on.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 7:30pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 7:28pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 6:59pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2025 at 5:48pm: Am I the only person who cringes when they hear the words "Department of War" or "Secretary of War"? I sounds unbelievably stupid. They're like little school boys. They think calling it the 'Department of War' makes them sound tough. So juvenile and pathetic. Quite ironic though, considering the rapist in the White Supremacist House said he'd be the President of Peace. The military is to wage... what's the word... er... WAR. America has enemies. Not 'friends whose grievances has not yet been accommodated". Enemies are killed. In war.  There is no other point to having a military. Fap on.

Oh, the slanderoys wanker creep wanketh!!