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Title: Murdoch's Israeli shills may finally get their jus Post by Sir lastnail on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 4:22pm
Check it out ;)
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Title: Re: Murdoch's Israeli shills may finally get their jus Post by Sir lastnail on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 4:24pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Murdoch's Israeli shills may finally get their jus Post by Gordon on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 4:43pm
what are the roots of antisemitism
The roots of antisemitism are complex, ancient, and multilayered, combining religious, economic, cultural, political, and racial elements that have mutated over time. Below is a structured overview of its major historical sources and how they evolved. ### 1. Ancient and Pre-Christian Origins (Antiquity–4th century CE) - Pagan Greco-Roman world: Jews were often seen as “misanthropic” for monotheism, refusal to worship emperors or local gods, dietary laws, and circumcision. Writers like Manetho, Apion, and Tacitus spread stereotypes of Jewish separatism and “hatred of mankind.” - Early economic role: In Hellenistic cities (especially Alexandria), Jews formed distinct, often prosperous communities, generating resentment during economic crises. ### 2. Christian Theological Antisemitism (4th–18th centuries) - Core charge: Deicide (“Christ-killers”) – the idea that Jews collectively bore eternal guilt for Jesus’ crucifixion (based on selective readings of New Testament passages, especially Matthew 27:25). - Church Fathers (John Chrysostom, Augustine, Ambrose) developed “teaching of contempt”: Jews as obstinate, cursed, doomed to wander and suffer for rejecting Christ. - Medieval consequences: - Blood libel (first major case: Norwich 1144) – false accusations of ritual murder of Christian children. - Host desecration libels. - Forced wearing of badges or hats, ghettoization, expulsions (England 1290, Spain 1492, etc.). - Association with the Devil and well-poisoning (especially during Black Death 1348–1351 pogroms). ### 3. Economic and Social Antisemitism (Middle Ages–19th century) - Christians were forbidden from usury → Jews filled money-lending roles → stereotype of the greedy, exploitative Jew. - Guilds and landownership bans confined many Jews to trade and finance → simultaneous resentment for both poverty (when restricted) and success (when they prospered). - “Court Jew” phenomenon in early modern Europe reinforced the image of secretive Jewish financial power. ### 4. Modern Racial/Nationalist Antisemitism (late 18th–20th centuries) - Enlightenment and emancipation: As Jews gained citizenship (France 1791, Germany 1871), traditional religious hatred became secularized. - New racial pseudoscience (Gobineau, Chamberlain, H.S. Chamberlain) redefined Jews as a permanently alien “Semitic race,” not just a religion. - Forged “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” (1903) alleged global Jewish conspiracy. - Volksdeutsch and pan-Slavic nationalisms portrayed Jews as rootless cosmopolitans who undermined the “organic” nation. - Culmination in Nazi ideology: combination of medieval Christian antisemitic tropes (blood libel, world conspiracy) with 19th-century racial biology → “Final Solution.” ### 5. Left-Wing and Anti-Capitalist Variants (19th–20th centuries) - Early socialist thinkers (Fourier, Proudhon, some Marx passages) used “Jew” as a synonym for financier or exploiter. - Soviet antisemitism: “Rootless cosmopolitans” campaign (1948–1953), Doctors’ Plot. ### 6. Islamic-World Antisemitism (7th century–present) - Classical Islamic status: Jews (and Christians) as dhimmis – protected but second-class, with jizya tax and restrictions. - 19th–20th centuries: European Christian antisemitic literature (blood libel, Protocols) imported into Arabic via Christian Arabs and European colonists. - Post-1948 fusion of anti-Zionism with older tropes; some Islamist movements (Hamas charter 1988, certain Iranian rhetoric) explicitly cite medieval Christian or Protocols-style accusations. ### 7. Contemporary Forms - Far-right: white nationalist “great replacement” and “Jewish power” conspiracies. - Radical left: some strains of anti-Zionism that slide into classic tropes (Rothschilds, “Zionist lobby controls governments,” dual-loyalty accusations). - Conspiracy culture (QAnon, some COVID narratives) often revives medieval blood libel or Protocols themes in secular form. ### Summary of Persistent Core Themes Across Eras - Scapegoating during crises (plagues, economic collapse, wars). - Resentment of Jewish separateness combined with resentment of Jewish success/integration. - The “eternal Jew” as rootless, conspiratorial, simultaneously capitalist and communist, weak yet all-powerful. Antisemitism is unusual among prejudices in its adaptability: it survives by constantly reinventing itself—from religious heresy to racial threat to anti-imperialist symbol—while retaining a remarkably stable core of myths and accusations for over two millennia. |
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Title: Re: Murdoch's Israeli shills may finally get their jus Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 4:45pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 4:22pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=583331236%5F1132674032362402%5F1512289738204096872%5Fn%2Ejpg Such a pretty lot of prize bigots. :-( |
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Title: Re: Murdoch's Israeli shills may finally get their jus Post by Gordon on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 4:47pm
does this sound like antisemitism?
The Australian Human Rights Commission Act 1986 gives the Commission the power to investigate and attempt to conciliate complaints alleging unlawful discrimination. The complainants seek accountability for the harm caused by News Corp’s coverage.\ \ Nasser Mashni, President of APAN, said: “News Corp has relentlessly argued that Palestinians do not deserve protection from violence.”\ \ “They never apologised for spreading Israeli atrocity propaganda about beheaded babies, even after it was proven false.”\ \ “Flouting international law and basic decency, they have justified and promoted public support for the collective punishment of Palestinian men, women, and children. This goes far beyond poor journalism.”\ \ Supporters demonised as traitors and an existential threat\ Associate Professor Peter Slezak stated, “Attention is diverted from Israel’s atrocities by uncritical reporting of propaganda lies, dehumanising Palestinians, and blaming them while dismissing justified criticism as antisemitism.”\ \ Associate Professor Slezak said, “Jewish people are facing a profound moral challenge as these actions are carried out in our name. Those of us who speak out against them were positioned as traitors and dangers to our own people.”\ NewsCorp commentary labelled white protestors as a threat to Western civilisation, accusing people like Karvan of “hating” and waging “a war” on their own culture’s values, calling them “dangerous” and morally equivalent to terrorists.\ \ This rhetoric has been used to justify atrocities committed by white nationalists against “white” people like Jo Cox and the victims of the Oslo terrorist attack.\ Actor and Producer Claudia Karvan OAM said, “This commentary silences me and makes me fearful. This misinformation and propaganda do not serve us well as a society.”\ \ Birchgrove Legal Principal Moustafa Kheir explained, “The subject matter of this complaint shows that NewsCorp has systematically portrayed Palestinians, Muslims, and Arabs as subhuman who don’t deserve protection.”\ \ “Throughout history, white people have been labelled “race traitors” for opposing slavery, supporting civil rights, or being in interracial relationships. Today, white and Jewish people are accused of the same for advocating for human rights and empathising with Palestinians. This is acutely dehumanising not only for Palestinians, but for their supporters, suggesting they can’t independently reason, they are morally defective, and that they are polluting and despoiling their own group.”\ \ “The complainants rightfully feel aggrieved by the publications and broadcasts – these narratives have been exploited to justify genocide against Palestinians as well as acts of terrorism and other atrocities over the years.”\ ENDS\ MEDIA CONTACT: info@birchgrovelegal.com.au |
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Title: Re: Murdoch's Israeli shills may finally get their jus Post by Gordon on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 4:47pm
Yes, parts of this statement do cross into territory that is widely recognized as antisemitic, even though the complaint is framed as criticism of "News Corp" and "pro-Israel" media bias rather than Jews as a whole. Here's a breakdown of why certain elements trigger antisemitism concerns, even if the authors (some of whom are Jewish) insist they are only criticizing Israel or media coverage:
### Clear or borderline antisemitic tropes and framing 1. **"Actions carried out in our name" (Peter Slezak)** - The trope that "the Jews" (or "Jewish people" collectively) are responsible for Israel’s actions, and that all Jews must answer for them, is a classic antisemitic device. It implies a global Jewish collective that controls or is complicit in Israel’s behavior. Jewish anti-Zionists often use this phrasing, but it still reproduces the same collective-guilt framework historically used against Jews. 2. **Equating criticism of Israel advocacy with historical accusations of "race treason" against Jews** - Moustafa Kheir explicitly compares Jews who are accused of being "traitors" for supporting Palestinian rights to white people historically called "race traitors" for opposing slavery or supporting civil rights. - This flattens Jewish identity into "whiteness" and treats Jewish particularity (concern for Israel/Jewish survival) as morally equivalent to white supremacist loyalty. It implicitly endorses the idea that loyalty to other Jews or Israel is akin to racism, which is a very common antisemitic trope on the left. 3. **"Justify genocide" + "Israeli atrocity propaganda" + "collective punishment of Palestinian men, women, and children"** - Accusing Israel (and by extension its media defenders) of deliberate genocide, of fabricating atrocities (40 beheaded babies), and of intentionally targeting civilians as policy is the standard blood-libel-adjacent rhetoric of the hard-left/anti-Zionist movement. When these accusations are systematic and one-sided, and especially when paired with the "in our name" framing, they recreate the medieval blood libel structure: Jews/Israelis kill children and lie about it. 4. **The "silencing" and "existential threat" narrative flipped** - The complaint repeatedly claims that calling out antisemitism in anti-Israel activism is a bad-faith tactic to "silence" critics and "divert attention from Israel’s atrocities." This is the IHRA working definition of antisemitism’s exact example: "Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination… by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor" and "accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel… than to the interests of their own nations," but more importantly, dismissing antisemitism charges as smears meant to protect Israel is itself listed in many antisemitism guidelines (e.g., Nexus Document, Jerusalem Declaration) as a common indicator. ### What is NOT necessarily antisemitic here - Criticizing News Corp’s coverage, even harshly. - Saying the "beheaded babies" story was unverified or false (it was heavily qualified later, though not entirely fabricated). - Objecting to dehumanizing language about Palestinians. - Jewish people criticizing Israel or its defence in media. ### Overall assessment The statement is written in such a way that it will be celebrated in pro-Palestinian spaces and condemned as antisemitic in most mainstream Jewish and pro-Israel ones — which is exactly how this genre of rhetoric is designed. It uses several well-established antisemitic tropes: - collective Jewish responsibility, - loyalty accusations, - genocide libel, - dismissal of antisemitism concerns as diversionary tactics) while carefully including Jewish signatories (Slezak, presumably others) to provide cover ("How can it be antisemitic? Jews wrote it!"). So yes, significant portions of it do sound like antisemitism to most people who track these definitions (IHRA, Nexus, Jerusalem Declaration, etc.), even though its authors would strenuously deny it and accuse you of weaponizing the term if you point it out. That’s the state of the discourse in 2025. |
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Title: Re: Murdoch's Israeli shills may finally get their jus Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 4:58pm Gordon wrote on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 4:47pm:
Exposing the lies in pro Isreali media, is not antisemtism. Hopefully the chief suspects (among whom are the six bigots in the pic) will be judged as racists and abusers of human rights. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=583331236%5F1132674032362402%5F1512289738204096872%5Fn%2Ejpg Netanyahu IS responsible for the Oct 7th Hamas attack, for denying the Palestians their state for many years; as Guterres said: Oct 7th didn't happen in a vacuum. Quote:
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Title: Re: Murdoch's Israeli shills may finally get their jus Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 5:28pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 4:22pm:
Human rights activist eh? ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D Starting to see a pattern here with kidnapping and bashing from the organisers of the rallies supporting Hamas terrorists. |
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Title: Re: Murdoch's Israeli shills may finally get their jus Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 5:40pm Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 5:28pm:
Human rights activist eh?[/quote] Well - certainly violent and hence self-defeating. Quote:
The topic is Murdoch's bigoted media goons, six of whom are pictured. |
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Title: Re: Murdoch's Israeli shills may finally get their jus Post by Sir lastnail on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 5:40pm Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 5:28pm:
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Title: Re: Murdoch's Israeli shills may finally get their jus Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 9:20pm
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Title: Re: Murdoch's Israeli shills may finally get their jus Post by freediver on Nov 24th, 2025 at 8:24am
Nail do you think it is a good thing that the mainstream media is being silenced on these issues?
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Title: Re: Murdoch's Israeli shills may finally get their jus Post by Gnads on Nov 24th, 2025 at 8:28am thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 4:58pm:
Fictitious BS. |
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Title: Re: Murdoch's Israeli shills may finally get their jus Post by Gnads on Nov 24th, 2025 at 8:33am thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23rd, 2025 at 5:40pm:
Well - certainly violent and hence self-defeating. Quote:
The topic is Murdoch's bigoted media goons, six of whom are pictured. [/quote] ;D typical lefty authoritarians jumping on free speech & a difference of opinion by calling it bigotry, Islamophobia, racist etc. The Australian Human Rights Commission is just a left wing shill dept trying to shut down discussion. Who made the complaints - Jew hating Islamist fundamentalist activists? >:( |
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