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Message started by John Smith on Nov 5th, 2025 at 1:10pm

Title: Mamdani wins NY
Post by John Smith on Nov 5th, 2025 at 1:10pm

Quote:
New Yorkers have shaken the United States's political establishment and delivered 34-year-old socialist Zohran Mamdani a thumping victory in the city's contentious mayoral election.

For weeks, polls predicted Mr Mamdani was on course for an historic triumph and as counting continued on Tuesday night, local time, his lead became unassailable.

He will become the first Muslim mayor of New York, and joins a small handful of people born overseas to get the keys to Gracie Mansion since the city threw off its colonial shackles almost two centuries ago.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-05/nyc-election-results-set-to-deliver-win-for-zohran-mamdani/105968288

A democrat and a muslim as well

won't this get the trumpards fuming :D :D

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by Armchair_Politician on Nov 5th, 2025 at 1:16pm
If Trump says you should not vote for Mamdani, that means you should definitely, absolutely vote for him and I'm glad he won! From what I heard of his policies, he sounds like he'll be a great Mayor.

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by Jasin on Nov 5th, 2025 at 1:40pm
New York. The American attempt of being like Beijing.
;D

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by SerialBrain9 on Nov 5th, 2025 at 1:51pm
NYC will be like London soon - since Sadiq Aman Khan became Mayor of London there’s been over 100,000 stabbings.

Enjoy.

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 5th, 2025 at 2:32pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 1:16pm:
If Trump says you should not vote for Mamdani, that means you should definitely, absolutely vote for him and I'm glad he won! From what I heard of his policies, he sounds like he'll be a great Mayor.


Yes, I must be catching TDS: I loathe Trump for saying he would deport Mamdani if he won.

Trouble is Mamdani will not be able to implement his 'socialist' policies, because he won't be able to tax the rich to fund his policies - the establishment won't allow it.

I hope the progressive wing of the Dems can now assert itself over the moribund 'centrist' faction, by exploring the funding of government via issuance of money from treasury, rather than taxing or borrowing from  'taxpayers'.

[Milton Friedman's line: "inflation is always a monetary phenomenon" is BS; it's time to abolish the "independent central bank"].

Bernie Sanders knows of MMT through Stephanie Kelton (who was his economic adviser in the 2016 election); so there is a chance Mamdani - in Bernie's progressive faction - might discover his options are far greater than relying on the rich to fund his policies.

Bully Trump has threatened to defund NYC if the "communist" (Trump's word) is elected; hopefully 'TACO' will apply when Mamdani is sworn in.





Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 5th, 2025 at 6:49pm
Armchai Politician wrote:
If Trump says you should not vote for Mamdani, that means you should definitely, absolutely vote for him and I'm glad he won! From what I heard of his policies, he sounds like he'll be a great Mayor.


Yes, I must be catching TDS: I loathe Trump for saying he would deport Mamdani if he won.

Trouble is Mamdani will not be able to implement his 'socialist' policies, because he won't be able to tax the rich to fund his policies - the establishment won't allow it.

I hope the progressive wing of the Dems can now assert itself over the moribund 'centrist' faction, by exploring the funding of government via issuance of money from treasury, rather than taxing or borrowing from  'taxpayers'.

[Milton Friedman's line: "inflation is always a monetary phenomenon" is BS; it's time to abolish the "independent central bank"].

Bernie Sanders knows of MMT through Stephanie Kelton (who was his economic adviser in the 2016 election); so there is a chance Mamdani - in Bernie's progressive faction - might discover his options are far greater than relying on the rich to fund his policies.

Bully Trump has threatened to defund NYC if the "communist" (Trump's word) is elected; hopefully 'TACO' will apply when Mamdani is sworn in.

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by Frank on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:16pm
Voter turnout reached its highest level in over a decade for a citywide election, with around 35% (2 million out of 5.6 miĺion).   Mamdani won 50% of that

So 18% of all eligible New Yorkers elected him mayor.



Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:25pm

Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:16pm:
Voter turnout reached its highest level in over a decade for a citywide election, with around 35% (2 million out of 5.6 miĺion).   Mamdani won 50% of that

So 18% of all eligible New Yorkers elected him mayor.


Yep   :)

He's the new Mayor.

Great speech, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SjcA0oACkI

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:42pm

Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:16pm:
Voter turnout reached its highest level in over a decade ...


Interesting.

I wonder what motivated them.


Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:58pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:25pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:16pm:
Voter turnout reached its highest level in over a decade for a citywide election, with around 35% (2 million out of 5.6 miĺion).   Mamdani won 50% of that

So 18% of all eligible New Yorkers elected him mayor.


Yep   :)

He's the new Mayor.

Great speech, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SjcA0oACkI


Yes - he's a political communication genius every bit as rousing as Trump (if you'll excuse the comparison).

But how can he be so confident he can deliver on his promises, if he has to rely on raising taxes on rich people?

Trump has his plan to tax the rest of the world instead of taxing Americans (the results still to be determined), Mamdani can't try that trick....

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by Mortdooley on Nov 5th, 2025 at 9:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:42pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:16pm:
Voter turnout reached its highest level in over a decade ...


Interesting.

I wonder what motivated them.



Free stuff!

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by Mortdooley on Nov 5th, 2025 at 9:16pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 1:10pm:

Quote:
New Yorkers have shaken the United States's political establishment and delivered 34-year-old socialist Zohran Mamdani a thumping victory in the city's contentious mayoral election.

For weeks, polls predicted Mr Mamdani was on course for an historic triumph and as counting continued on Tuesday night, local time, his lead became unassailable.

He will become the first Muslim mayor of New York, and joins a small handful of people born overseas to get the keys to Gracie Mansion since the city threw off its colonial shackles almost two centuries ago.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-05/nyc-election-results-set-to-deliver-win-for-zohran-mamdani/105968288

A democrat and a muslim as well

won't this get the trumpards fuming :D :D



Higher taxes and fewer Police, what could possibly go wrong?

Their children will become slaves.

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by Tap on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:20am

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 9:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 1:10pm:

Quote:
New Yorkers have shaken the United States's political establishment and delivered 34-year-old socialist Zohran Mamdani a thumping victory in the city's contentious mayoral election.

For weeks, polls predicted Mr Mamdani was on course for an historic triumph and as counting continued on Tuesday night, local time, his lead became unassailable.

He will become the first Muslim mayor of New York, and joins a small handful of people born overseas to get the keys to Gracie Mansion since the city threw off its colonial shackles almost two centuries ago.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-05/nyc-election-results-set-to-deliver-win-for-zohran-mamdani/105968288

A democrat and a muslim as well

won't this get the trumpards fuming :D :D



Higher taxes and fewer Police, what could possibly go wrong?

Their children will become slaves.


That's the historical and natural progression of Socialism and Communism isnt it?

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by Jasin on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:25am
American political power is at the top (aka President position)
So the Left can only achieve Mayor level. ;D

Australia is the Political reverse.
Look at how weak our Federal level has become via the position of PM.
Our political power is really at 'the people's (the Common Wealth)' level, like Shires and States.

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 6th, 2025 at 11:22am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfdUn9H4gjA

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by Armchair_Politician on Nov 6th, 2025 at 11:41am

Tap wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:20am:

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 9:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 1:10pm:

Quote:
New Yorkers have shaken the United States's political establishment and delivered 34-year-old socialist Zohran Mamdani a thumping victory in the city's contentious mayoral election.

For weeks, polls predicted Mr Mamdani was on course for an historic triumph and as counting continued on Tuesday night, local time, his lead became unassailable.

He will become the first Muslim mayor of New York, and joins a small handful of people born overseas to get the keys to Gracie Mansion since the city threw off its colonial shackles almost two centuries ago.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-05/nyc-election-results-set-to-deliver-win-for-zohran-mamdani/105968288

A democrat and a muslim as well

won't this get the trumpards fuming :D :D



Higher taxes and fewer Police, what could possibly go wrong?

Their children will become slaves.


That's the historical and natural progression of Socialism and Communism isnt it?


Trump is literally taking from the poor to give to his rich friends (and himself). What is so wrong with Mamdani taxing the richest people in NYC a little bit more to help those New Yorkers who struggle to make ends meet? What is so wrong with him doing this so that people can travel for free on the bus so that they can instead use that money to provide more for themselves or their family?

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by Frank on Nov 9th, 2025 at 12:31pm
PHOENIX, AZ — New York City Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani has officially been named this year's top U-Haul salesman, ending a record-breaking five-year streak from California Governor Gavin Newsom.


Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 9th, 2025 at 2:12pm

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 9:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:42pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:16pm:
Voter turnout reached its highest level in over a decade ...


Interesting.

I wonder what motivated them.


Free stuff!


You would be motivated by "free stuff" too, if you were suffering under the current cost of living crisis - which is the case for the 50% of New Yorkers who voted for Mamdani.

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 9th, 2025 at 2:32pm

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 9:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 1:10pm:

Quote:
New Yorkers have shaken the United States's political establishment and delivered 34-year-old socialist Zohran Mamdani a thumping victory in the city's contentious mayoral election.

For weeks, polls predicted Mr Mamdani was on course for an historic triumph and as counting continued on Tuesday night, local time, his lead became unassailable.

He will become the first Muslim mayor of New York, and joins a small handful of people born overseas to get the keys to Gracie Mansion since the city threw off its colonial shackles almost two centuries ago.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-05/nyc-election-results-set-to-deliver-win-for-zohran-mamdani/105968288

A democrat and a muslim as well

won't this get the trumpards fuming :D :D



Higher taxes and fewer Police, what could possibly go wrong?

Their children will become slaves.



The children of the working poor are already slaves in the families of  the working poor.

As for 'defunding the police':

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/30/mamdani-backs-away-from-out-of-step-defund-the-police-posts-00485172

Mamdani backs away from ‘out of step’ defund the police posts
......

Certainly Mamdani wants to double the minimum wage to end poverty-level wage slavery, but already Conservative RW nut jobs are bleating about 'everyone else wanting a wage rise too' and 'small businesses going broke'.

These arguments are able to scare the population when 'only' 10% of the working poor is living in poverty, but now 50% are unable to make ends meet....

Time's up for greed-based capitalism.

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net/

Note: public money is national-treasury-issued money, not taxpayer money.

 

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 9th, 2025 at 2:50pm

Tap wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:20am:

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 9:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 1:10pm:

Quote:
New Yorkers have shaken the United States's political establishment and delivered 34-year-old socialist Zohran Mamdani a thumping victory in the city's contentious mayoral election.

For weeks, polls predicted Mr Mamdani was on course for an historic triumph and as counting continued on Tuesday night, local time, his lead became unassailable.

He will become the first Muslim mayor of New York, and joins a small handful of people born overseas to get the keys to Gracie Mansion since the city threw off its colonial shackles almost two centuries ago.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-05/nyc-election-results-set-to-deliver-win-for-zohran-mamdani/105968288

A democrat and a muslim as well

won't this get the trumpards fuming :D :D



Higher taxes and fewer Police, what could possibly go wrong?

Their children will become slaves.


That's the historical and natural progression of Socialism and Communism isnt it?


Past efforts to eradicate poverty are not indicative of present possibilities:

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net/

Note: contrary to what you have been taught (eg, Thatcher's delusion in the 80s,) public money is NOT taxpayer money; public money is national-treasury- issued money.

Time to start learning for yourself...

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by Frank on Nov 9th, 2025 at 4:01pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 2:50pm:

Tap wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:20am:

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 9:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 1:10pm:

Quote:
New Yorkers have shaken the United States's political establishment and delivered 34-year-old socialist Zohran Mamdani a thumping victory in the city's contentious mayoral election.

For weeks, polls predicted Mr Mamdani was on course for an historic triumph and as counting continued on Tuesday night, local time, his lead became unassailable.

He will become the first Muslim mayor of New York, and joins a small handful of people born overseas to get the keys to Gracie Mansion since the city threw off its colonial shackles almost two centuries ago.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-05/nyc-election-results-set-to-deliver-win-for-zohran-mamdani/105968288

A democrat and a muslim as well

won't this get the trumpards fuming :D :D



Higher taxes and fewer Police, what could possibly go wrong?

Their children will become slaves.


That's the historical and natural progression of Socialism and Communism isnt it?


Past efforts to eradicate poverty are not indicative of present possibilities:

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net/

Note: contrary to what you have been taught (eg, Thatcher's delusion in the 80s,) public money is NOT taxpayer money; public money is national-treasury- issued money.

Time to start learning for yourself...



You are confusing value with bank notes.

No government is able to issue value, only bank notes.  Meaning/signified and signifier, if you like. Not the same thing.

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by aquascoot on Nov 9th, 2025 at 4:28pm
The great divide is a Chinese bot.
Designed to spread ludicrous economic theory in the west.
Best ignored

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by Frank on Nov 11th, 2025 at 9:42am
Zohran Mamdani Horrified To Discover He Now Has A Job


NEW YORK, NY — In the wake of his overwhelming election win that signalled a dramatic political shift in the United States, New York City Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani was reportedly horrified to wake up this morning and discover that he now had a job.

The Ugandan-born socialist won a landslide victory on Tuesday over former Governor Andrew Cuomo, Republican Curtis Sliwa, and common sense, only to come to the stunning realization that he would now have to work.

"I didn't think this through," Mamdani reportedly told one of his aides. "I was all excited about the campaign and wanted to win, but I got so caught up in the competition that I didn't stop to think that I would end up, you know, having a job. This is terrible."

Promising handouts and government-provided living necessities built a tremendous following for Mamdani, though he now found himself in the unenviable position of not being able to just sit at home and do nothing like his supporters. "I didn't know I would have to like… do stuff," he complained to his staff. "I figured being mayor was more like an honorary title, like getting the key to the city. Speaking of, since I'm mayor now, are there actual keys to the city? Like, can I get into any place I want now? That would be cool. But, yeah, I really don't want to actually do any work."

At publishing time, Democratic Party officials assured Mamdani that if he were to ever be elected to the U.S. Congress, he could finally have a position where he would never have to work.

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 11th, 2025 at 10:01am

Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 4:01pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 2:50pm:

Tap wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:20am:

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 9:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 1:10pm:

Quote:
New Yorkers have shaken the United States's political establishment and delivered 34-year-old socialist Zohran Mamdani a thumping victory in the city's contentious mayoral election.

For weeks, polls predicted Mr Mamdani was on course for an historic triumph and as counting continued on Tuesday night, local time, his lead became unassailable.

He will become the first Muslim mayor of New York, and joins a small handful of people born overseas to get the keys to Gracie Mansion since the city threw off its colonial shackles almost two centuries ago.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-05/nyc-election-results-set-to-deliver-win-for-zohran-mamdani/105968288

A democrat and a muslim as well

won't this get the trumpards fuming :D :D



Higher taxes and fewer Police, what could possibly go wrong?

Their children will become slaves.


That's the historical and natural progression of Socialism and Communism isnt it?


Past efforts to eradicate poverty are not indicative of present possibilities:

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net/

Note: contrary to what you have been taught (eg, Thatcher's delusion in the 80s,) public money is NOT taxpayer money; public money is national-treasury- issued money.

Time to start learning for yourself...



You are confusing value with bank notes.


Bank notes? Who uses bank notes these days?

As for the value of a dollar: it's a measure of its abilty to buy stuff you need. 


Quote:
No government is able to issue value, only bank notes.


Your primitive grasp of money and its creation is telling. 

National treasuries CAN issue national currencies to fund essential government spending for free, though this is currently banned.


Quote:
  Meaning/signified and signifier, if you like. Not the same thing.


The 'value'  of a dollar explained above.



Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 11th, 2025 at 10:13am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 4:28pm:
The great divide is a Chinese bot.


Are you sure..... or is this just your style of an ad hominem?


Quote:
Designed to spread ludicrous economic theory in the west.
Best ignored


In the West?

Note: the Western (ie, Harvard)-trained economists in the PBofC are equally deluded by Neoclassical orthodoxy, now that China has largely adopted free markets. 

China needs to reclaim the 'common prosperity' aspects of   
socialism'. 

Step 1: nationalize the housing industry, to stabilize collapsing private house prices (the opposite problem to Oz). 

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by Karnal on Nov 11th, 2025 at 10:54am
Aquascoot's just a little bit bot-hurt, Great.

His knowledge of monetary policy has never been up to the standard of his business acumen, his motivational expertise and - most notably - his equine health care.
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Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by Frank on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:00am

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 10:13am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 4:28pm:
The great divide is a Chinese bot.


Are you sure..... or is this just your style of an ad hominem?


Quote:
Designed to spread ludicrous economic theory in the west.
Best ignored


In the West?

Note: the Western (ie, Harvard)-trained economists in the PBofC are equally deluded by Neoclassical orthodoxy, now that China has largely adopted free markets. 

China needs to reclaim the 'common prosperity' aspects of   
socialism'. 

Step 1: nationalize the housing industry, to stabilize collapsing private house prices (the opposite problem to Oz). 




AAAANNNDDD........ he's OFF!!!


;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:18am

Karnal wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 10:54am:
Aquascoot's just a little bit bot-hurt, Great.

His knowledge of monetary policy has never been up to the standard of his business acumen, his motivational expertise ......


Spot on.





Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:22am

Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:00am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 10:13am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 4:28pm:
The great divide is a Chinese bot.


Are you sure..... or is this just your style of an ad hominem?


Quote:
Designed to spread ludicrous economic theory in the west.
Best ignored


In the West?

Note: the Western (ie, Harvard)-trained economists in the PBofC are equally deluded by Neoclassical orthodoxy, now that China has largely adopted free markets. 

China needs to reclaim the 'common prosperity' aspects of   
socialism'. 

Step 1: nationalize the housing industry, to stabilize collapsing private house prices (the opposite problem to Oz). 


AAAANNNDDD........ he's OFF!!!


What do YOU think the value of a dollar is?

And how would YOU solve the dysfunctional private-sector Oz - and Chinese - housing markets?

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by Frank on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:51am

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:22am:

Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:00am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 10:13am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 4:28pm:
The great divide is a Chinese bot.


Are you sure..... or is this just your style of an ad hominem?


Quote:
Designed to spread ludicrous economic theory in the west.
Best ignored


In the West?

Note: the Western (ie, Harvard)-trained economists in the PBofC are equally deluded by Neoclassical orthodoxy, now that China has largely adopted free markets. 

China needs to reclaim the 'common prosperity' aspects of   
socialism'. 

Step 1: nationalize the housing industry, to stabilize collapsing private house prices (the opposite problem to Oz). 


AAAANNNDDD........ he's OFF!!!


What do YOU think the value of a dollar is?

And how would YOU solve the dysfunctional private-sector Oz - and Chinese - housing markets?


1. It is NOT the denomination that it printed on the physical dollar bill, evidently, since what the value of what the particular bill can be exchanged for diminishes during the life of the physical object that is the dollar bill. So the bill symbolises something apart from itself. This is so painfully simple that it hardly needs saying, except to you.

2. housing market = houses + people needing houses. If you have a housing market crisis then you have either too few houses or too many people, which, ultimately, the same thing. How many houses are we building each year, every year? How many new people come onto the housing market each year, every year? Why is there n ever growing gap between the two? Because of government policies. Government policies make construction too slow and the influx of new people too fast.



You can print all the money in the world if approvals to build take too long and there aren't enough people and materials to actually build houses while there is a steady influx of new demand.

Again, painfully simple yet not grasped by politicians. Or maybe it IS grasped and they do want too have a housing crisis (and all sorts of other crises, all the time. There would be no need for politicians if there were no crises. The absence of politicians would go unnoticed in such a world.

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 11th, 2025 at 1:43pm

Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:51am:
1. It is NOT the denomination that it printed on the physical dollar bill, evidently, since what the value of what the particular bill can be exchanged for diminishes during the life of the physical object that is the dollar bill. So the bill symbolises something apart from itself. This is so painfully simple that it hardly needs saying, except to you.


You wrote:

You are confusing value with bank notes.

I explained 'value' of money ie the value of the dollar bill, is measured by what you can buy.

Now are saying - because money's  value (purchasing power)  changes with inflation, the currency's 'value' is "something apart" from the denomination of the currency,  ie the dollar bill. 

Obviously wrong: the dollar's (the currency's) 'value' is still measured by what it can buy, despite inflation (and devaulation of the currency).

You are merely confusing matters and asserting government money whether free treasury-issued money, or reserve bank interest-bearing  money,  causes inflation, which is the mainstream narrative; but regardless of that assertion, the fact remains:  bank notes  (now mostly digital) have 'value' so long as you can purchase the necessities of life with them (eg, when making purchases using your electronic bank cards). 



Quote:
2. housing market = houses + people needing houses. If you have a housing market crisis then you have either too few houses or too many people, which, ultimately, the same thing. How many houses are we building each year, every year? How many new people come onto the housing market each year, every year? Why is there n ever growing gap between the two? Because of government policies. Government policies make construction too slow and the influx of new people too fast.


Obviously an inadequate analysis, despite the fact excessive immigration IS making matters worse at present, without proper policies to deal with it.   

eg, in the post-war years, Menzies ensured funding of houses for all -  whether in the public or private sector (and whether via rents or ownership), at a time when Oz was experiencing an immigration population boom.....with housing for all funded via the  Keynesian 'welfare state'/'deficit spending' economy of the time.   


Quote:
You can print all the money in the world if approvals to build take too long and there aren't enough people and materials to actually build houses while there is a steady influx of new demand.


Government can certainly maintain a pubic housing sector to keep a lid on private housing prices.

But the Thatcher-Reagan "taxpayer" money delusion, and subsequent privatization ideology, destroyed government commitment to public housing.

In the age of floating exchange rate fiat currencies (ie, post gold standard), government can fund public housing with free treasury issued money  - up to point when all available resources are being utilized.

Note: in today's unaffordable market,  builders are going broke because prices are sky-high, and hence the number of houses being built in Oz is actually falling,  so there IS 'slack' among builders which is available to be utilized straight away.    


Quote:
Again, painfully simple yet not grasped by politicians. Or maybe it IS grasped and they do want too have a housing crisis (and all sorts of other crises, all the time. There would be no need for politicians if there were no crises. The absence of politicians would go unnoticed in such a world.


Many politicians - like many citizens - are rent-seeking landlords who don't want to see house prices return to an affordable level....

Title: Re: Mamdani wins NY
Post by Karnal on Nov 11th, 2025 at 2:22pm

Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:51am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:22am:

Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:00am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 10:13am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 4:28pm:
The great divide is a Chinese bot.


Are you sure..... or is this just your style of an ad hominem?


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Designed to spread ludicrous economic theory in the west.
Best ignored


In the West?

Note: the Western (ie, Harvard)-trained economists in the PBofC are equally deluded by Neoclassical orthodoxy, now that China has largely adopted free markets. 

China needs to reclaim the 'common prosperity' aspects of   
socialism'. 

Step 1: nationalize the housing industry, to stabilize collapsing private house prices (the opposite problem to Oz). 


AAAANNNDDD........ he's OFF!!!


What do YOU think the value of a dollar is?

And how would YOU solve the dysfunctional private-sector Oz - and Chinese - housing markets?


1. It is NOT the denomination that it printed on the physical dollar bill, evidently, since what the value of what the particular bill can be exchanged for diminishes during the life of the physical object that is the dollar bill. So the bill symbolises something apart from itself. This is so painfully simple that it hardly needs saying, except to you.

2. housing market = houses + people needing houses. If you have a housing market crisis then you have either too few houses or too many people, which, ultimately, the same thing. How many houses are we building each year, every year? How many new people come onto the housing market each year, every year? Why is there n ever growing gap between the two? Because of government policies. Government policies make construction too slow and the influx of new people too fast.



You can print all the money in the world if approvals to build take too long and there aren't enough people and materials to actually build houses while there is a steady influx of new demand.

Again, painfully simple yet not grasped by politicians. Or maybe it IS grasped and they do want too have a housing crisis (and all sorts of other crises, all the time. There would be no need for politicians if there were no crises. The absence of politicians would go unnoticed in such a world.


There you go, Great. We don't have enough people.

Painfully simple. We'll need to import a few more. They just need to be the right shade of tanned.

Not tinted.

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