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BREAKING: In a jaw-dropping development, DNI Tulsi Gabbard has confirmed an official probe into Anthony Fauci for perjury and his role in funding gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, as part of efforts to uncover the origins of COVID-19. https://x.com/MAGAARMY_/status/1983953180892557345

Tulsi would make a great first female POTUS.

She destroyed Kamala in debate they should have gone with Tulsi instead of Biden.

There are questions on Fauci autopen pardon being valid

I reckon that Megan Kelly would make a great first female POTUS. She's very sharp and politically aware.

Jasin wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 11:56pm:

I reckon that Megan Kelly would make a great first female POTUS. She's very sharp and politically aware.

Megyn wasn't a Trump supporter when he first ran for President she became one.


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Donald Trump’s ‘blood’ comment about Megyn Kelly draws outrage During Thursday’s presidential debate, Kelly pressed Trump about misogynistic, sexist comments he made in the past, such as calling some women “fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals.” Trump slammed Kelly, saying her questions were “ridiculous” and “off-base.” “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes,” Trump told CNN’s Don Lemon on Friday night. “Blood coming out of her wherever.” Trump also slammed “‘politically correct’ fools in our country,” tweeting that “we have to all get back to work and stop wasting time and energy on nonsense!” https://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/08/politics/donald-trump-cnn-megyn-kelly-comment

A lot of people weren't originally a Trump supporter during his 1st term.
Once they saw him prevail against the Democrat attacks while they were in power (his shield) then see him rise again to defeat the Democrats (his hammer) - he earned their respect and even support.

OK you win - I give up.

I was waiting for someone to make a sane post on this topic - guess it is just not going to happen.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2025 at 10:04am:

OK you win - I give up. I was waiting for someone to make a sane post on this topic - guess it is just not going to happen.

Not at all, dear. Looks like we've ruled out Megyn Kelly for prez, but the jury's still out on Tulsi.

The one thing we've clearly established beyond a reasonable doubt is Fauci being GUILTY.

Now, how to get around that sneaky presidential pardon.

Thoughts?

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an official probe into Anthony Fauci for perjury and his role in funding gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, as part of efforts to uncover the origins of COVID-19.

Put him on trial:

death of 7 million people.

World economic loss -  at least US$40 trillion.

covid started in the wet market. That is what two lines of evidence show.

Death of 7 million people.

World economic loss -  at least US$40 trillion.


https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/f3/98/3a/f3983a7e91bada5cf4e4c9fff72bafdc.jpg

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Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2025 at 7:22pm:

covid started in the wet market. That is what two lines of evidence show.

No evidence it came from wet market you gullible senile old fool.

Peter Dazak from Eco Health Alliance proposed a gain of function experiment with coronvirus it was funded by Fauci and not long after we had the man made pandemic virus had same features Daszak proposed.

Fauci is guilty of perjury with his answers to Rand Paul in congress.

If Fauci did nothing wrong why did Bidens autopen pardon him for anything he might have done. ::)

You know a country is going down the drain when they start prosecuting their national hero's.

Of course Biden gave Faucci a pardon, knowing how vindictive the man baby is.

coronavirus was not one of the viruses studied in the Wuhan lab.


All actual evidence suggests the wet market was the source of the virus.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2025 at 8:17pm:

https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/78/0a/1e/780a1e8179e11702113c920cf1171abf.jpg

You have been shown that that is wrong. Guess you can’t learn, eh?

We certainly know that fauci wrote an email saying

" The American public are not scared enough and we have to take steps to increase their fear"

The result is bed wetters like carl, monk and pecca.

Sensible people like aquascoot realized pretty soon this was a mild respiratory virus.

The main sin fauci has committed is that when we DO  get a virus with 10 % mortality, people won't comply with the public health advice because the public health authorities have lost all credibility.

They went from hundreds of days of lockdowns to useless vaccines to not even wanting to bother about it.

Clearly they have done incredible damage to public acceptance of vaccines
Rates of vaccination are down and lives will be lost .

And fauci is partly to blame for that.

Add in his lies about the funding of the lab in Wuhan and he should throw himself at donalds feet and beg for mercy and forgiveness

aquascoot wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 3:03pm:

We certainly know that fauci wrote an email saying " The American public are not scared enough and we have to take steps to increase their fear" The result is bed wetters like carl, monk and pecca. Sensible people like aquascoot realized pretty soon this was a mild respiratory virus. The main sin fauci has committed is that when we DO  get a virus with 10 % mortality, people won't comply with the public health advice because the public health authorities have lost all credibility. They went from hundreds of days of lockdowns to useless vaccines to not even wanting to bother about it. Clearly they have done incredible damage to public acceptance of vaccines Rates of vaccination are down and lives will be lost . And fauci is partly to blame for that. Add in his lies about the funding of the lab in Wuhan and he should throw himself at donalds feet and beg for mercy and forgiveness

But Fauci lied -



https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/f3/98/3a/f3983a7e91bada5cf4e4c9fff72bafdc.jpg

Bobby. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 3:12pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 3:03pm: We certainly know that fauci wrote an email saying " The American public are not scared enough and we have to take steps to increase their fear" The result is bed wetters like carl, monk and pecca. Sensible people like aquascoot realized pretty soon this was a mild respiratory virus. The main sin fauci has committed is that when we DO  get a virus with 10 % mortality, people won't comply with the public health advice because the public health authorities have lost all credibility. They went from hundreds of days of lockdowns to useless vaccines to not even wanting to bother about it. Clearly they have done incredible damage to public acceptance of vaccines Rates of vaccination are down and lives will be lost . And fauci is partly to blame for that. Add in his lies about the funding of the lab in Wuhan and he should throw himself at donalds feet and beg for mercy and forgiveness But Fauci lied - https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/f3/98/3a/f3983a7e91bada5cf4e4c9fff72bafdc.jpg

If capital punishment is the penalty for lying, Trump would have been executed shortly after birth.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 3:26pm:

If capital punishment is the penalty for lying, Trump would have been executed shortly after birth.

Put him on trial:

death of 7 million people.

World economic loss -  at least US$40 trillion.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 3:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 3:26pm: If capital punishment is the penalty for lying, Trump would have been executed shortly after birth. Put him on trial:

Let us know how that works out, okay?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 3:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 3:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 3:26pm: If capital punishment is the penalty for lying, Trump would have been executed shortly after birth. Put him on trial: Let us know how that works out, okay?

Fauci has been give a pardon for his crimes by Joe Biden -
he would have to be extradited to the Hague for crimes against humanity.

I doubt that will happen.
The Hague has charged no one with any crime over the deaths of 7 million people.
The Chinese blocked any proper inquiry by the WHO.
The whole lot has been covered up.

We really need a Nuremberg 2 trial but we'll never see justice.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 3:12pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 3:03pm: We certainly know that fauci wrote an email saying " The American public are not scared enough and we have to take steps to increase their fear" The result is bed wetters like carl, monk and pecca. Sensible people like aquascoot realized pretty soon this was a mild respiratory virus. The main sin fauci has committed is that when we DO  get a virus with 10 % mortality, people won't comply with the public health advice because the public health authorities have lost all credibility. They went from hundreds of days of lockdowns to useless vaccines to not even wanting to bother about it. Clearly they have done incredible damage to public acceptance of vaccines Rates of vaccination are down and lives will be lost . And fauci is partly to blame for that. Add in his lies about the funding of the lab in Wuhan and he should throw himself at donalds feet and beg for mercy and forgiveness But Fauci lied - https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/f3/98/3a/f3983a7e91bada5cf4e4c9fff72bafdc.jpg

You have NOT shown Fauci caused the covid19 virus! 120 pages in the “Chinese Bioweapon” thread and >nothing< really shown.

The wet market was the source, like a wet market in Alabama or Arkansas was the source of the Spanish Flu!

aquascoot wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 3:03pm:

The result is bed wetters like carl, monk and pecca. Sensible people like aquascoot realized pretty soon this was a mild respiratory virus.

https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1985242884652822636


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🇦🇺Australia: In August, 211 patients died from influenza compared to 153 from COVID-19, amid record-breaking flu season. Reported deaths so far this year: 🔸COVID-19: 1,473 🔸Influenza: 977 🔸RSV: 149

aquascoot wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 3:03pm:

We certainly know that fauci wrote an email saying " The American public are not scared enough and we have to take steps to increase their fear" The result is bed wetters like carl, monk and pecca. Sensible people like aquascoot realized pretty soon this was a mild respiratory virus. The main sin fauci has committed is that when we DO  get a virus with 10 % mortality, people won't comply with the public health advice because the public health authorities have lost all credibility. They went from hundreds of days of lockdowns to useless vaccines to not even wanting to bother about it. Clearly they have done incredible damage to public acceptance of vaccines Rates of vaccination are down and lives will be lost . And fauci is partly to blame for that. Add in his lies about the funding of the lab in Wuhan and he should throw himself at donalds feet and beg for mercy and forgiveness

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Sensible people like aquascoot realized pretty soon this was a mild respiratory virus.

Yes a mild virus that killed 7.1 million people ????

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Fauci has been give a pardon for his crimes by Joe Biden - he would have to be extradited to the Hague for crimes against humanity. I doubt that will happen. The Hague has charged no one with any crime over the deaths of 7 million people. The Chinese blocked any proper inquiry by the WHO. The whole lot has been covered up. We really need a Nuremberg 2 trial but we'll never see justice.

I wanna see justice -

I wanna see the culprits swinging from the gallows -
live on TV in 4K video with close ups.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 8:05pm:

Quote: Fauci has been give a pardon for his crimes by Joe Biden - he would have to be extradited to the Hague for crimes against humanity. I doubt that will happen. The Hague has charged no one with any crime over the deaths of 7 million people. The Chinese blocked any proper inquiry by the WHO. The whole lot has been covered up. We really need a Nuremberg 2 trial but we'll never see justice. I wanna see justice - I wanna see the culprits swinging from the gallows - live on TV in 4K video with close ups.

That is your inadequacy speaking.

Covid19 likely arose in the wet market. covid was not one of the viruses studied in the lab.

Plumber here caught covid twice.

Had a stroke with bleeding on the brain.

Likely connected.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 8:05pm:

Quote: Fauci has been give a pardon for his crimes by Joe Biden - he would have to be extradited to the Hague for crimes against humanity. I doubt that will happen. The Hague has charged no one with any crime over the deaths of 7 million people. The Chinese blocked any proper inquiry by the WHO. The whole lot has been covered up. We really need a Nuremberg 2 trial but we'll never see justice. I wanna see justice - I wanna see the culprits swinging from the gallows - live on TV in 4K video with close ups.

Trump was clearly the worst culprit by a huge margin. Telling people that there were only 5 cases and the number was dropping, Then telling them that when the temp increased it would just go away, Then telling people that horse medicine was the cure, telling prople to cure it with bleach or bright light. Yes Trump was faffing around while half a million Americans died. Now we want to go after the hero that was saving lives in spite of Trumps efforts.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 9:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:05pm: Quote: Fauci has been give a pardon for his crimes by Joe Biden - he would have to be extradited to the Hague for crimes against humanity. I doubt that will happen. The Hague has charged no one with any crime over the deaths of 7 million people. The Chinese blocked any proper inquiry by the WHO. The whole lot has been covered up. We really need a Nuremberg 2 trial but we'll never see justice. I wanna see justice - I wanna see the culprits swinging from the gallows - live on TV in 4K video with close ups. Trump was clearly the worst culprit by a huge margin. Telling people that there were only 5 cases and the number was dropping, Then telling them that when the temp increased it would just go away, Then telling people that horse medicine was the cure, telling prople to cure it with bleach or bright light. Yes Trump was faffing around while half a million Americans died. Now we want to go after the hero that was saving lives in spite of Trumps efforts.

Trump didn't know -

Fauci was Trump's advisor - Trump trusted a mad man - an evil scientist.

Fauci lied to Trump - he said that he hadn't funded Wuhan.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 9:34pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 9:29pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:05pm: Quote: Fauci has been give a pardon for his crimes by Joe Biden - he would have to be extradited to the Hague for crimes against humanity. I doubt that will happen. The Hague has charged no one with any crime over the deaths of 7 million people. The Chinese blocked any proper inquiry by the WHO. The whole lot has been covered up. We really need a Nuremberg 2 trial but we'll never see justice. I wanna see justice - I wanna see the culprits swinging from the gallows - live on TV in 4K video with close ups. Trump was clearly the worst culprit by a huge margin. Telling people that there were only 5 cases and the number was dropping, Then telling them that when the temp increased it would just go away, Then telling people that horse medicine was the cure, telling prople to cure it with bleach or bright light. Yes Trump was faffing around while half a million Americans died. Now we want to go after the hero that was saving lives in spite of Trumps efforts. Trump didn't know - Fauci was Trump's advisor - Trump trusted a mad man - an evil scientist. Fauci lied to Trump - he said that he hadn't funded Wuhan.

No Fauci claimed to not have funded Gain of function research. The American companies involved (that worked with Whuan and funded them) also said that there was no gain of function research and they all said that even if it was gain of function the research quoted could not have resulted in Covid.

The claimed lie here revolves around gain of function research - It has nothing to do with covid even if it were to be true.


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Fauci lied to Trump

Trump lies to everyone ? You don't seem to care about that.


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an evil scientist.

Between Fauci and Trump you know that Fauci wasn't the one who wanted to shove a bright light up your arse?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 9:04pm:

Plumber here caught covid twice. Had a stroke with bleeding on the brain. Likely connected.

Likely connected?

Show us your medical degree.

Probably more likely connected to arterial disease brought on by years of eating western garbage food

Something RFK is trying to rectify

Dr monk  ::)

Coroner monk  ::)

Carl D wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 7:35pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 3:03pm: The result is bed wetters like carl, monk and pecca. Sensible people like aquascoot realized pretty soon this was a mild respiratory virus. https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1985242884652822636 Quote: 🇦🇺Australia: In August, 211 patients died from influenza compared to 153 from COVID-19, amid record-breaking flu season. Reported deaths so far this year: 🔸COVID-19: 1,473 🔸Influenza: 977 🔸RSV: 149

Yeah , all old crumbley people who would only need a. MILD  virus to tip them over the edge

aquascoot wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 4:39am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 9:04pm: Plumber here caught covid twice. Had a stroke with bleeding on the brain. Likely connected. Likely connected? Show us your medical degree. Probably more likely connected to arterial disease brought on by years of eating western garbage food Something RFK is trying to rectify Dr monk  ::) Coroner monk  ::)

So you know the plumber here without you even knowing where “here” is?

But, follows a pattern where multiple incidences of covid infections cause damage to the body including the brain.

Read “Likely” as “Possible” if that makes you happy.

I don’t think you will be happy with any wording because it shows your “covid is a mild respiratory virus” is bullshit!

aquascoot wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 4:41am:

Carl D wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 7:35pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 3:03pm: The result is bed wetters like carl, monk and pecca. Sensible people like aquascoot realized pretty soon this was a mild respiratory virus. https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1985242884652822636 Quote: 🇦🇺Australia: In August, 211 patients died from influenza compared to 153 from COVID-19, amid record-breaking flu season. Reported deaths so far this year: 🔸COVID-19: 1,473 🔸Influenza: 977 🔸RSV: 149 Yeah , all old crumbley people who would only need a. MILD  virus to tip them over the edge

400 of those Covid deaths were in Aged Care.

The other 1,073 were not. And, I'm pretty sure they were not all elderly.

Carl D wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 9:56am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 4:41am: Carl D wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 7:35pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 3:03pm: The result is bed wetters like carl, monk and pecca. Sensible people like aquascoot realized pretty soon this was a mild respiratory virus. https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1985242884652822636 Quote: 🇦🇺Australia: In August, 211 patients died from influenza compared to 153 from COVID-19, amid record-breaking flu season. Reported deaths so far this year: 🔸COVID-19: 1,473 🔸Influenza: 977 🔸RSV: 149 Yeah , all old crumbley people who would only need a. MILD  virus to tip them over the edge 400 of those Covid deaths were in Aged Care. The other 1,073 were not. And, I'm pretty sure they were not all elderly.

Meh.

If it was a serious infection, people would VOLUNTARILY be masking up.
They aren't.
Clearly the VAST VAST VAST majority of Australians are not willing to join Carl and monk in their hypochondria .
This is a good thing.

Fauci was not able to scare people apart from the nervous Nellie's.
His evil desire to increase fear did not work

I've worked Aged Care. It was a great experience.
What I noticed was that those who were dumped in there, rejected by their kids, went downhill the quickest, let alone tried to escape it, even with butter knifes.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 4:41am:

Carl D wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 7:35pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 3:03pm: The result is bed wetters like carl, monk and pecca. Sensible people like aquascoot realized pretty soon this was a mild respiratory virus. https://x.com/BigBadDenis/status/1985242884652822636 Quote: 🇦🇺Australia: In August, 211 patients died from influenza compared to 153 from COVID-19, amid record-breaking flu season. Reported deaths so far this year: 🔸COVID-19: 1,473 🔸Influenza: 977 🔸RSV: 149 Yeah , all old crumbley people who would only need a. MILD  virus to tip them over the edge

Its ok for 7 million people to die especially if a lot of them are older ? 

Funny how the death rate does not translate to the current numbers and other mild viruses only this one special mild virus.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 9:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:05pm: Quote: Fauci has been give a pardon for his crimes by Joe Biden - he would have to be extradited to the Hague for crimes against humanity. I doubt that will happen. The Hague has charged no one with any crime over the deaths of 7 million people. The Chinese blocked any proper inquiry by the WHO. The whole lot has been covered up. We really need a Nuremberg 2 trial but we'll never see justice. I wanna see justice - I wanna see the culprits swinging from the gallows - live on TV in 4K video with close ups. That is your inadequacy speaking. Covid19 likely arose in the wet market. covid was not one of the viruses studied in the lab.

Shut up Monk,

131 pages of evidence says otherwise:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1580611988/1950#1950

Al'balony has neglected the elderly since ScoMo saved them from COVID as best he could under the circumstances at the time.
Al'balony considers them a burden on the economy, he even wants to push back the retirement age in hope they will die before they get their pension.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 10:27am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 9:03pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:05pm: Quote: Fauci has been give a pardon for his crimes by Joe Biden - he would have to be extradited to the Hague for crimes against humanity. I doubt that will happen. The Hague has charged no one with any crime over the deaths of 7 million people. The Chinese blocked any proper inquiry by the WHO. The whole lot has been covered up. We really need a Nuremberg 2 trial but we'll never see justice. I wanna see justice - I wanna see the culprits swinging from the gallows - live on TV in 4K video with close ups. That is your inadequacy speaking. Covid19 likely arose in the wet market. covid was not one of the viruses studied in the lab. Shut up Monk, 131 pages of evidence says otherwise: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1580611988/1950#1950

Monk is right.
COVID came from Bat cave faeces mixed with Wet Market animal guts slop rotting and festering in the sun.
All viruses emerge from bad unhygienic environments and living conditions... NOT LABS.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 10:19am:

Meh. If it was a serious infection, people would VOLUNTARILY be masking up. They aren't. Clearly the VAST VAST VAST majority of Australians are not willing to join Carl and monk in their hypochondria . This is a good thing. Fauci was not able to scare people apart from the nervous Nellie's. His evil desire to increase fear did not work

People don't know that Covid is a serious infection because Public Health is dead in Australia (and most Western countries).

Zero advice from government. And, as we all know - masks are the equivalent of poison these days (at least as far as business and government is concerned).

I remember a couple of years back where a group of people arranged (and paid) for ads to be shown in shopping centres around Australia advising people to wear masks in crowded places and on public transport, etc. but the government put a stop to it very quickly.

The reason: "Only we (the government) are allowed to give Public Health advice" which was quite hilarious seeing as there is no government health advice anymore and no Public Health - which has been replaced with that awesome "Personal Responsibility" and we've seen how well that (doesn't) work.

I don't know why we keep going over this again and again?

Actually, I have seen a lot more people wearing masks when I'm out shopping and on public transport lately. I wonder what they know that the majority of the population don't - and the government won't tell us of course?

Jasin wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 10:32am:

Monk is right. COVID came from Bat cave faeces mixed with Wet Market animal guts slop rotting and festering in the sun. All viruses emerge from bad unhygienic environments and living conditions... NOT LABS.

Have your read all the 131 pages?

Carl,

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I remember a couple of years back where a group of people arranged (and paid) for ads to be shown in shopping centres around Australia advising people to wear masks in crowded places and on public transport, etc. but the government put a stop to it very quickly. The reason: "Only we (the government) are allowed to give Public Health advice"

Do you have a link to prove that?    :-/

Jasin wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 10:32am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:27am: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 9:03pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:05pm: Quote: Fauci has been give a pardon for his crimes by Joe Biden - he would have to be extradited to the Hague for crimes against humanity. I doubt that will happen. The Hague has charged no one with any crime over the deaths of 7 million people. The Chinese blocked any proper inquiry by the WHO. The whole lot has been covered up. We really need a Nuremberg 2 trial but we'll never see justice. I wanna see justice - I wanna see the culprits swinging from the gallows - live on TV in 4K video with close ups. That is your inadequacy speaking. Covid19 likely arose in the wet market. covid was not one of the viruses studied in the lab. Shut up Monk, 131 pages of evidence says otherwise: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1580611988/1950#1950 Monk is right. COVID came from Bat cave faeces mixed with Wet Market animal guts slop rotting and festering in the sun. All viruses emerge from bad unhygienic environments and living conditions... NOT LABS.

I think China muddied the water enough that we don't really know where it came from. But we do know that the Fauci gain of function line is political and not factualy relivant to covid. Even if true the US sponcered recearch in china could not have produced Covid. It's documented and significantly different to the covid strain.

If covid did come from a lab it was produced from different research. I have never seen enough info to indicate where it came from. Bat Cave, Wet Market or Lab.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 10:35am:

Jasin wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:32am: Monk is right. COVID came from Bat cave faeces mixed with Wet Market animal guts slop rotting and festering in the sun. All viruses emerge from bad unhygienic environments and living conditions... NOT LABS. Have your read all the 131 pages?

The 'Lab' excuse is used so countries like conspiracy obsessed America, don't have to admit that the USA was a filthy poverty ridden environment just like China, that create and assist any Virus. Both countries could easily provide the world with another pandemic due to their filthy poverty lifestyle.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 10:40am:

Jasin wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:32am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:27am: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 9:03pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:05pm: Quote: Fauci has been give a pardon for his crimes by Joe Biden - he would have to be extradited to the Hague for crimes against humanity. I doubt that will happen. The Hague has charged no one with any crime over the deaths of 7 million people. The Chinese blocked any proper inquiry by the WHO. The whole lot has been covered up. We really need a Nuremberg 2 trial but we'll never see justice. I wanna see justice - I wanna see the culprits swinging from the gallows - live on TV in 4K video with close ups. That is your inadequacy speaking. Covid19 likely arose in the wet market. covid was not one of the viruses studied in the lab. Shut up Monk, 131 pages of evidence says otherwise: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1580611988/1950#1950 Monk is right. COVID came from Bat cave faeces mixed with Wet Market animal guts slop rotting and festering in the sun. All viruses emerge from bad unhygienic environments and living conditions... NOT LABS. I think China muddied the water enough that we don't really know where it came from. But we do know that the Fauci gain of function line is political and not factualy relivant to covid. Even if true the US sponcered recearch in china could not have produced Covid. It's documented and significantly different to the covid strain. If covid did come from a lab it was produced from different research. I have never seen enough info to indicate where it came from. Bat Cave, Wet Market or Lab.

Like I said. BEFORE COVID pandemic. I saw a doco of those Wuhan bat caves where Chinese workers scaled the high cave walls for bird nest cuisine. There was 'a CLINIC' (lab) near site that worked on workers, who trudged through bat faeces in thongs and shorts who did get infected often with the Corona virus. There were also researchers in full white PPE attire who were there studying the virus, who also got the Corona at times. It was treatable and it was there to prevent the infection being taken abroad and this doco said this. The clinic was funded by a percentage made on these highly expensive bird saliva nests being sold at Wet Markets and abroad.
Sadly, I guess they must have missed some workers who did get to Wuhan Wet Markets while infected and walking all that contagious viral faeces around the Market to mix with all the rotting slop that was left on the ground to rot, fester and mutate under the sun like viruses love to do with the extra radiation exposure they don't really get in dark caves.
The rest is history.
So there was 'a lab' (clinic) so to speak, where they researched into vaccine, etc against the Corona. But it was not the CREATOR of the mutated deadlier version.
The filthy under the sun was.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 10:37am:

Carl, Quote: I remember a couple of years back where a group of people arranged (and paid) for ads to be shown in shopping centres around Australia advising people to wear masks in crowded places and on public transport, etc. but the government put a stop to it very quickly. The reason: "Only we (the government) are allowed to give Public Health advice" Do you have a link to prove that?    :-/

Umm... no. And I'm not going to look for it now seeing it was over 2 years ago. the organisers arranged it all on X (formerly Twitter) but I can't remember who was behind it all.

I suppose I really should have kept a file of links and screenshots like a few people here seem to have done for many years.

OK Carl,
I can't find it on Google.
Still - it may have happened.  :-/

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 10:27am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 9:03pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 5th, 2025 at 8:05pm: Quote: Fauci has been give a pardon for his crimes by Joe Biden - he would have to be extradited to the Hague for crimes against humanity. I doubt that will happen. The Hague has charged no one with any crime over the deaths of 7 million people. The Chinese blocked any proper inquiry by the WHO. The whole lot has been covered up. We really need a Nuremberg 2 trial but we'll never see justice. I wanna see justice - I wanna see the culprits swinging from the gallows - live on TV in 4K video with close ups. That is your inadequacy speaking. Covid19 likely arose in the wet market. covid was not one of the viruses studied in the lab. Shut up Monk, 131 pages of evidence says otherwise: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1580611988/1950#1950

That is 131 pages of C R A P less the info I posted re the swab studies and the viral genotypes of the viruses studied at the lab published—covid not among them.

You posted no evidence. You have a lack of critical thinking skills and no ability to properly collect, check and present data to support an argument. This is due to your lack of education, you high school dropout.

All this calling for hangings, based on no evidence, reflects your inadequacies and feelings of inferiority.

Crimes against humanity:


https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/f3/98/3a/f3983a7e91bada5cf4e4c9fff72bafdc.jpg

You have zero evidence against Fauci.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 4:01pm:

You have zero evidence against Fauci.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/robert-jackson-opening-statement-nuremberg

Justice Jackson Delivering the Opening Statement at Nuremberg.

"The privilege of opening the first trial in history for crimes against the peace of the world imposes a grave responsibility.

The wrongs which we seek to condemn and punish have been so calculated,
so malignant, and so devastating, that civilization cannot tolerate their being ignored,
because it cannot survive their being repeated.


That four great nations, flushed with victory and stung with injury stay the hand of vengeance and voluntarily submit their captive enemies to the judgment of the law is one of the most significant tributes that Power has ever paid to Reason."

Fauci should hang. He helped the Virus into America with lies and killed many thousands of people.

Jasin wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 4:29pm:

Fauci should hang. He helped the Virus into America with lies and killed many thousands of people.

We need a trial for crimes against humanity.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 4:21pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 4:01pm: You have zero evidence against Fauci. https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/robert-jackson-opening-statement-nuremberg Justice Jackson Delivering the Opening Statement at Nuremberg. "The privilege of opening the first trial in history for crimes against the peace of the world imposes a grave responsibility. The wrongs which we seek to condemn and punish have been so calculated, so malignant, and so devastating, that civilization cannot tolerate their being ignored, because it cannot survive their being repeated. That four great nations, flushed with victory and stung with injury stay the hand of vengeance and voluntarily submit their captive enemies to the judgment of the law is one of the most significant tributes that Power has ever paid to Reason."

Nothing to do with Fauci.

I guess Fauci is your scapegoat for feeling scared when covid hit?

With the USAID organisation gone to finance billionaire’s tax cuts other viruses will be spreading.

E.g. Ebola.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 4:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 4:21pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 4:01pm: You have zero evidence against Fauci. https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/robert-jackson-opening-statement-nuremberg Justice Jackson Delivering the Opening Statement at Nuremberg. "The privilege of opening the first trial in history for crimes against the peace of the world imposes a grave responsibility. The wrongs which we seek to condemn and punish have been so calculated, so malignant, and so devastating, that civilization cannot tolerate their being ignored, because it cannot survive their being repeated. That four great nations, flushed with victory and stung with injury stay the hand of vengeance and voluntarily submit their captive enemies to the judgment of the law is one of the most significant tributes that Power has ever paid to Reason." Nothing to do with Fauci. I guess Fauci is your scapegoat for feeling scared when covid hit?

7 million dead.


civilization cannot tolerate their being ignored

It is another Spanish Flu. Arose in an Arkansas or Alabama wet market, moved to Europe when US troops were sent there in WWI.

covid19 arose in the Wuhan Wet Market, spread rapidly with air flights all over the world.

That is what actual evidence shows.

Beyond that we will likely never know.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 4:54pm:

It is another Spanish Flu. Arose in an Arkansas or Alabama wet market, moved to Europe when US troops were sent there in WWI. covid19 arose in the Wuhan Wet Market, spread rapidly with air flights all over the world. That is what actual evidence shows. Beyond that we will likely never know.

It's very difficult to find out when China stopped a proper WHO investigation.   ::)

What are they hiding?

Maybe not hiding—essential data was gathered—but saving face?

We have the swab evidence

We have the genotypes of the viruses studied at the lab. Covid19 was not one of the viruses. The spike was present in early form, needing 10,000 generations to develop fully. That could have happened in wild animals that were then captured and sold at the wet market.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 5:23pm:

Maybe not hiding—essential data was gathered—but saving face? We have the swab evidence We have the genotypes of the viruses studied at the lab. Covid19 was not one of the viruses. The spike was present in early form, needing 10,000 generations to develop fully. That could have happened in wild animals that were then captured and sold at the wet market.

https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/78/0a/1e/780a1e8179e11702113c920cf1171abf.jpg

Again, that meme is not correct.

You have been told this three or four times now. Do you have a learning difficulty?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 5:33pm:

Again, that meme is not correct. You have been told this three or four times now. Do you have a learning difficulty?

Told by WHO ?

YOU  :D :D :D

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 5:23pm:

Maybe not hiding—essential data was gathered—but saving face? We have the swab evidence We have the genotypes of the viruses studied at the lab. Covid19 was not one of the viruses. The spike was present in early form, needing 10,000 generations to develop fully. That could have happened in wild animals that were then captured and sold at the wet market.

WE HAVE

what YOU ?

we're YOU there studying the samples ?

WE HAVE   :D :D :D. 

Laughable

aquascoot wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 5:45pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 5:33pm: Again, that meme is not correct. You have been told this three or four times now. Do you have a learning difficulty? Told by WHO ? YOU  :D :D :D

Monk is an apologist for CCP   -

is he part of the CCP 5th column?

aquascoot wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 5:45pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 5:33pm: Again, that meme is not correct. You have been told this three or four times now. Do you have a learning difficulty? Told by WHO ? YOU  :D :D :D

Who me?

No, a couple of sources, somewhere in the last 20 or so pages of the 131 pages of crap Booby thinks is evidence.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 5:48pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 5:23pm: Maybe not hiding—essential data was gathered—but saving face? We have the swab evidence We have the genotypes of the viruses studied at the lab. Covid19 was not one of the viruses. The spike was present in early form, needing 10,000 generations to develop fully. That could have happened in wild animals that were then captured and sold at the wet market. WE HAVE what YOU ? we're YOU there studying the samples ? WE HAVE   :D :D :D.  Laughable

I have read the studies by the people taking the swabs.

Booby is an idiot, you seem to be a bigger one.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 5:55pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 5:45pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 5:33pm: Again, that meme is not correct. You have been told this three or four times now. Do you have a learning difficulty? Told by WHO ? YOU  :D :D :D Monk is an apologist for CCP   - is he part of the CCP 5th column?

Again, not a shred of evidence.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 5:26pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 5:23pm: Maybe not hiding—essential data was gathered—but saving face? We have the swab evidence We have the genotypes of the viruses studied at the lab. Covid19 was not one of the viruses. The spike was present in early form, needing 10,000 generations to develop fully. That could have happened in wild animals that were then captured and sold at the wet market. https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/78/0a/1e/780a1e8179e11702113c920cf1171abf.jpg

The majority of antibiotic development is gain of function.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 5:23pm:

Maybe not hiding—essential data was gathered—but saving face? We have the swab evidence We have the genotypes of the viruses studied at the lab. Covid19 was not one of the viruses. The spike was present in early form, needing 10,000 generations to develop fully. That could have happened in wild animals that were then captured and sold at the wet market.

There is no swab evidence ya dopey dim wit.

The WHO is still critical of China for not allowing further investigation today we should not forget China tried to blame this on frozen meat from Australia.

The so called swab evidence failed peer review.


Quote:

We can at least agree that the virus was present in the Wuhan market. Samples collected from market stalls and drains in early January 2020 contain SARS-CoV-2 genetic material. A recent analysis of this material, published in the journal Cell, claimed to show that the common ancestor of the viruses at the market was the common ancestor of the whole pandemic. That sounds compelling, until you realise that all of these samples were collected weeks after the pandemic began andnone came from a live animal. Unaccountably, no samples were collected before the market was closed and the animals destroyed. Primarily for this reason, most commentators – including me – consider these latest results suggestive but not definitive. The lack of samples from animals is a problem. No one believes that this virus originated in Wuhan. So it must have been brought into the market from somewhere. Yet no SARS-CoV-2 has been found along the supply chains for the animals sold there. Could a person rather than an animal have brought SARS-CoV-2 into the market in late 2019? That’s entirely possible. Many of the viruses near the base of the SARS-CoV-2 ancestral tree came from people with no links to the market. Despite the many uncertainties and unanswered questions, it would be much easier to accept the market hypothesis if the pandemic had begun in one of the hundreds (or possibly thousands – no one seems to know for sure) of other Chinese cities that had similar markets in 2020. (It just happened in the market down the road from Wuhan lab ::)) Yet the epicentre of the COVID pandemic was less than 20 kilometres from China’s pre-eminent coronavirus research lab, the Wuhan Institute of Virology. That is an extraordinary coincidence, and you’d need compelling evidence that the market was the source (or that the lab wasn’t) to dismiss it. Dismissed as a conspiracy theory Yet as far back as March 2020, on a bare minimum of evidence, the idea that a lab was involved in any way was already being dismissed as a conspiracy theory. https://theconversation.com/did-covid-come-from-an-animal-market-heres-what-the-new-evidence-really-tells-us-239533

China bulldozed the wet market destroyed it early january never let anyone in to examine origins and still deny access to data of covid origins.

It's a big problem having no live or dead animals with covid and relying on swabs taken after market was cleared out.

Mong is a dumb khunt

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 10:21pm:

China bulldozed the wet market destroyed it early january never let anyone in to examine origins and still deny access to data of covid origins. It's a big problem having no live or dead animals with covid and relying on swabs taken after market was cleared out. Mong is a dumb khunt

Monk is an apologist for the CCP   -

is he part of the CCP 5th column?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 10:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:21pm: China bulldozed the wet market destroyed it early january never let anyone in to examine origins and still deny access to data of covid origins. It's a big problem having no live or dead animals with covid and relying on swabs taken after market was cleared out. Mong is a dumb khunt Monk is an apologist for the CCP   - is he part of the CCP 5th column?

Mong is just incel idiot

Fauci lied to congress while under oath when Rand Paul asked him about funding GOF research.

It has been proven Faucis NIH funded Peter Daszak from Eco Health alliance to do GOF research at Wuhan lab.

Daszak proposed putting Furin cleavage site in spike protein with coronavirus and patient zero worked at Wuhan lab.

We have Andersen saying to Fauci in released emails saying virus looks engineered then shortly after Daszak authorised a paper with 27 scientists saying Lab leak is a conspiracy theory. 26 of those 27 people had links to Wuhan lab they didn't declare.

Mong shows his idiocy in ignoring the fact patient zero worked at Wuhan lab.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 10:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:25pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:21pm: China bulldozed the wet market destroyed it early january never let anyone in to examine origins and still deny access to data of covid origins. It's a big problem having no live or dead animals with covid and relying on swabs taken after market was cleared out. Mong is a dumb khunt Monk is an apologist for the CCP   - is he part of the CCP 5th column? Mong is just incel idiot Fauci lied to congress while under oath when Rand Paul asked him about funding GOF research. It has been proven Faucis NIH funded Peter Daszak from Eco Health alliance to do GOF research at Wuhan lab. Daszak proposed putting Furin cleavage site in spike protein with coronavirus and patient zero worked at Wuhan lab. We have Andersen saying to Fauci in released emails saying virus looks engineered then shortly after Daszak authorised a paper with 27 scientists saying Lab leak is a conspiracy theory. 26 of those 27 people had links to Wuhan lab they didn't declare. Mong shows his idiocy in ignoring the fact patient zero worked at Wuhan lab.

Covid 19 has similar chains of RNA to 5 different viruses -
one of them is the HIV AIDS virus.
It's very suspicious that it may have been gene spliced on
using forbidden technology supplied by Fauci.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 10:47pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:42pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:25pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:21pm: China bulldozed the wet market destroyed it early january never let anyone in to examine origins and still deny access to data of covid origins. It's a big problem having no live or dead animals with covid and relying on swabs taken after market was cleared out. Mong is a dumb khunt Monk is an apologist for the CCP   - is he part of the CCP 5th column? Mong is just incel idiot Fauci lied to congress while under oath when Rand Paul asked him about funding GOF research. It has been proven Faucis NIH funded Peter Daszak from Eco Health alliance to do GOF research at Wuhan lab. Daszak proposed putting Furin cleavage site in spike protein with coronavirus and patient zero worked at Wuhan lab. We have Andersen saying to Fauci in released emails saying virus looks engineered then shortly after Daszak authorised a paper with 27 scientists saying Lab leak is a conspiracy theory. 26 of those 27 people had links to Wuhan lab they didn't declare. Mong shows his idiocy in ignoring the fact patient zero worked at Wuhan lab. Covid 19 has similar chains of RNA to 5 different viruses - one of them is the HIV AIDS virus. It's very suspicious that it may have been gene spliced on using forbidden technology supplied by Fauci.

The technology was there to create these viruses after GOF research turned H5N1 virus into airborne transmissable which caused many to question why they are making viruses with pandemic potential.
This H5N1 modification led to ban on GOF research.

Fauci through NIH funded Peter Daszak from Eco Health alliance to do GOF with coronavirus in Wuhan.
Fauci didn't supply the technology he gave them the money to do it.

When the poo hit the fan they all scrambled to cover it up

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 11:03pm:

The technology was there to create these viruses after GOF research turned H5N1 virus into airborne transmissable which caused many to question why they are making viruses with pandemic potential. This H5N1 modification led to ban on GOF research. Fauci through NIH funded Peter Daszak from Eco Health alliance to do GOF with coronavirus in Wuhan. Fauci didn't supply the technology he gave them the money to do it. When the poo hit the fan they all scrambled to cover it up

We don't know for sure what Fauci did as he lied and lied and lied and lied and lied.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 11:06pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 11:03pm: The technology was there to create these viruses after GOF research turned H5N1 virus into airborne transmissable which caused many to question why they are making viruses with pandemic potential. This H5N1 modification led to ban on GOF research. Fauci through NIH funded Peter Daszak from Eco Health alliance to do GOF with coronavirus in Wuhan. Fauci didn't supply the technology he gave them the money to do it. When the poo hit the fan they all scrambled to cover it up We don't know for sure what Fauci did as he lied and lied and lied and lied and lied.

It has been established Fauci with NIH funded Peter Daszak from EHA to do GOF research in Wuhan.

They did this in a BS L2 lab instead of BS L3 lab.

We know Fauci lied to Rand Paul under oath in congress about GOF.

There are questions on pardon not being valid if signed by autopen instead of Biden which might decide if he is prosecuted.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 10:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:21pm: China bulldozed the wet market destroyed it early january never let anyone in to examine origins and still deny access to data of covid origins. It's a big problem having no live or dead animals with covid and relying on swabs taken after market was cleared out. Mong is a dumb khunt Monk is an apologist for the CCP   - is he part of the CCP 5th column?

No evidence for any of this crap about being an apologist for the CCP. Just a dumb high school dropout crapping on.

Swabs show that covid19 likely arose in the wet market, publication of the genotypes of the viruses studied in the lab supports that too.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 11:33pm:

Swabs show that covid19 likely arose in the wet market, publication of the genotypes of the viruses studied in the lab supports that too.

Patient zero worked at Wuhan lab ya dopey dipshit.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/bombshell-report-identifies-covids-infamous-patient-zero/news-story/2d11625a69124dfea8cfd4ba43806fdf


https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1584960705/155#155

Man I wish I could find that doco from 2017

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6^th, 2025 at 11:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:25pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:21pm: China bulldozed the wet market destroyed it early january never let anyone in to examine origins and still deny access to data of covid origins. It's a big problem having no live or dead animals with covid and relying on swabs taken after market was cleared out. Mong is a dumb khunt Monk is an apologist for the CCP   - is he part of the CCP 5th column? No evidence for any of this crap about being an apologist for the CCP. Just a dumb high school dropout crapping on. Swabs show that covid19 likely arose in the wet market, publication of the genotypes of the viruses studied in the lab supports that too.

What swabs you moron.
They never let any scientists in to check anything.

You think China isn't going to try to cover it up with a few false swabs?
That or pay 7 trillion in reparations.

You think Xi is just going to say OOPS

You're a moron

Personally I think Douglas Adams got it right.
Our worst pandemic will come from an Indian making a dirty telephone call.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2025 at 5:26am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 11:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:25pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6th, 2025 at 10:21pm: China bulldozed the wet market destroyed it early january never let anyone in to examine origins and still deny access to data of covid origins. It's a big problem having no live or dead animals with covid and relying on swabs taken after market was cleared out. Mong is a dumb khunt Monk is an apologist for the CCP   - is he part of the CCP 5th column? No evidence for any of this crap about being an apologist for the CCP. Just a dumb high school dropout crapping on. Swabs show that covid19 likely arose in the wet market, publication of the genotypes of the viruses studied in the lab supports that too. What swabs you moron. They never let any scientists in to check anything. You think China isn't going to try to cover it up with a few false swabs? That or pay 7 trillion in reparations. You think Xi is just going to say OOPS You're a moron

Three scientists gathered swab data, thousands of swabs. They found traces of the covid virus especially near where crates of live coondogs (not like the American coon dogs, used to hunt raccoons) had been piled up over an open sewer.

Will do a search for the paper.

Here is one, probably too technical for horseboy to understand.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9874793/


This might be easier to understand:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_SARS-CoV-2

More info:


Quote:

Pandemic epicenter As 2019 turned into 2020, a coronavirus spilled over from wild animals into people, sparking what has become one of the best documented pandemics to afflict humans. However, the origins of the pandemic in December 2019 are controversial. Worobey et al. amassed the variety of evidence from the City of Wuhan, China, where the first human infections were reported. These reports confirm that most of the earliest human cases centered around the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market. Within the market, the data statistically located the earliest human cases to one section where vendors of live wild animals congregated and where virus-positive environmental samples concentrated. In a related report, Pekar et al. found that genomic diversity before February 2020 comprised two distinct viral lineages, A and B, which were the result of at least two separate cross-species transmission events into humans (see the Perspective by Jiang and Wang). The precise events surrounding virus spillover will always be clouded, but all of the circumstantial evidence so far points to more than one zoonotic event occurring in Huanan market in Wuhan, China, likely during November–December 2019. —CA

https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abp8715

Highlighted part shows evidence that the virus did arise in the wet market—a lab would not make two strains.

A PubPeer comment tries to throw doubt on the study which is how science advances etc.

There is precedent: the Spanish Flu likely originated in a wet market in Alabama or Arkansas.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd9qjjj4zy5o


CIA says lab leak most likely source of Covid outbreak

26 January 2025


The CIA on Saturday offered a new assessment on the origin of the Covid outbreak,
saying the coronavirus is "more likely" to have leaked from a Chinese lab than to have come from animals.

But the intelligence agency cautioned it had "low confidence" in this determination.

A spokesperson said that a "research-related origin" of the pandemic "is more likely than a natural origin based on the available body of reporting".

The decision to release that assessment marks one of the first made by the CIA's new director John Ratcliffe, appointed by Donald Trump, who took over the agency on Thursday.

Ratcliffe, who served as director of national intelligence during President Trump's first term, has long favoured the lab leak theory, claiming Covid most likely came from a leak at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

CIA are not scientists, more political actors.

The scientist responsible for studying viruses at the lab published the genotypes of the viruses studied there. Covid wasn’t one of them.

Several were like 1000 generations from developing the spike so that could well have happened in wild animals some of whom were captured and sold at the Wuhan wet market.

The scientists published what Xi told them to publish , fool  ::)

What a pissweak comeback!

No Chinese names here:

Quote:

The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan was the early epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic Michael Worobey https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3578-1367, Joshua I. Levy https://orcid.org/0000-0001-7573-7793, Lorena Malpica Serrano https://orcid.org/0000-0002-4598-7385, Alexander Crits-Christoph, Jonathan E. Pekar https://orcid.org/0000-0003-0977-2886, Stephen A. Goldstein https://orcid.org/0000-0002-9397-1097, Angela L. Rasmussen https://orcid.org/0000-0001-9462-3169, Moritz U. G. Kraemer https://orcid.org/0000-0001-8838-7147, Chris Newman https://orcid.org/0000-0002-9284-6526, [...] , and Kristian G. Andersen

Sorry Aqua. But it started via Wuhan Filth & Rot Market
..with the Clinic (aka - Da Lab), failing to stop it.

Wuhan Virologist Testifies:

Fauci Created COVID as 'Bioweapon to Kill Millions'

Bombshell news from China where a senior scientist from the Wuhan Institute of Virology has gone rogue, blown the whistle, and directly implicated Dr. Anthony Fauci in a plot to kill millions of people around the world with a gain-of-function bioweapon.

According to Dr. Chao Shan, Fauci’s covert alliance with the Chinese Communist Party, and his behind-the-scenes role at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, were part of a chilling depopulation agenda hiding in plain sight.

But it gets even worse for Fauci. This episode features direct accounts from multiple high-level whistleblowers—including an insider from EcoHealth Alliance and former intelligence analysts, risking their lives to expose the truth about the man they call the modern Dr. Josef Mengele.


Video:

https://rumble.com/v6t7g37-wuhan-virologist-testifies-fauci-created-covid-as-bioweapon-to-kill-million.html

Got a REAL source?

Typical of the high school dropout, no idea of data verification, no critical thinking involved. If the clown thinks something supports his idea, his bias, he accepts and posts it. No real thinking involved at all.

That explains why Environment is such a toilet of a boarf, is dragging OzPol down.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7^th, 2025 at 9:03am:

More info: Quote: Pandemic epicenter As 2019 turned into 2020, a coronavirus spilled over from wild animals into people, sparking what has become one of the best documented pandemics to afflict humans. However, the origins of the pandemic in December 2019 are controversial. Worobey et al. amassed the variety of evidence from the City of Wuhan, China, where the first human infections were reported. These reports confirm that most of the earliest human cases centered around the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market. Within the market, the data statistically located the earliest human cases to one section where vendors of live wild animals congregated and where virus-positive environmental samples concentrated. In a related report, Pekar et al. found that genomic diversity before February 2020 comprised two distinct viral lineages, A and B, which were the result of at least two separate cross-species transmission events into humans (see the Perspective by Jiang and Wang). The precise events surrounding virus spillover will always be clouded, but all of the circumstantial evidence so far points to more than one zoonotic event occurring in Huanan market in Wuhan, China, likely during November–December 2019. —CA https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abp8715 Highlighted part shows evidence

From your link- "We also lack direct evidence of an intermediate animal infected with a SARS-CoV-2 progenitor virus..."

Translation: They never found a raccoon dog, civet, bat, or any animal at the market (or upstream) with SARS-CoV-2.
No live animals tested.
No dead animals tested.
No serological evidence.
No viral isolates from animals.

They have environmental RNA (virus traces on cages, floors, drains), but that could easily be from infected humans shedding virus after the outbreak started.
→ This is NOT proof of animal origin. It’s proof the virus was present — not where it came from.

From your link- "no line list of early COVID-19 cases is available..."

China never released full patient data.
No names, no exact addresses, no contact tracing logs.
They’re using Weibo posts, WHO summaries, and approximate locations — some with 1–2 km error bars.
This is like solving a murder with a blurry CCTV still and half the witnesses missing.

Patient Zero? They don’t even touch it.

Huang et al. (2020) and Chinese state media (Dec 2019) reported the first known case was a person with no market exposure, onset Dec 1, 2019 — and worked at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).
Other early cases (e.g., Wei Guixian, seafood seller) were later, and many had no direct market link.
The paper excludes or downplays cases not fitting the market cluster.
They built a map, then erased the dots that didn’t fit.


Environmental samples? Contaminated crime scene.Samples taken Jan 1–12, 2020 — weeks after human-to-human spread was raging.
Market was closed, cleaned, flooded with disinfectant, and full of infected people.
Positive stalls had seafood, poultry, dry goods — not just wildlife.
Finding virus RNA in a crowded market during an outbreak is like finding cocaine in a nightclub bathroom — expected, not evidence of the source.

From your link- The market was the epicenter."

what they mean:  "The virus was spreading there in December — and we really want it to be from animals."
That’s a hypothesis, not proof.

To sum up:
No animal with COVID found
Virus in market, but source unknown
No full case data
Ignores lab-linked early cases

You are posting a flawed study trying to pass it off as evidence when it clearly says circumstantial evidence
;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Thanks Baron,
Monk doesn't know - no one should listen to him.   ::)

No animal with COVID found

Well, since the animals had all been removed?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7^th, 2025 at 5:36pm:

Thanks Baron, Monk doesn't know - no one should listen to him.   ::)

Says the high school dropout posting some crap video several months old with no real news service carrying the crap video he posted uncritically?

Baron posted a Pubpeer comment I linked to.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7^th, 2025 at 5:37pm:

No animal with COVID found Well, since the animals had all been removed?

No live or dead animals at the market or in supply chain were found with covid

Reports from China link early cases to December 1.

Swabs from market were taken 6-7 weeks after pandemic started.

It's like taking a swab from coles or woolies saying we found covid here this must be where it originated
;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

The swabs are the only real evidence we have re the source of covid19. However flawed the evidence may be.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7^th, 2025 at 9:07am:

CIA are not scientists, more political actors.

CIA FBI and DNI all say Lab leak most likely source even the White House released a paper under Biden saying Lab Leak most likely.

Robert Redfield a Virologist who was in charge of CDC said Lab leak from day 1.
I wonder why fauci tried to exclude him from all talks.

Boris Johnson was in the wet market camp he has since changed to Lab Leak.

Patient zero worked in Wuhan Lab why are you ignoring this fact!

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7^th, 2025 at 5:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2025 at 5:36pm: Thanks Baron, Monk doesn't know - no one should listen to him.   ::) Says the high school dropout posting some crap video several months old with no real news service carrying the crap video he posted uncritically? Baron posted a Pubpeer comment I linked to.

Monk is a high school drop out.
I have 6 years of tertiary education.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7^th, 2025 at 5:43pm:

The swabs are the only real evidence we have re the source of covid19. However flawed the evidence may be.

They don't prove the source ya dopey dickhead they only show covid was there.

Covid was circulating 6-7 weeks before swabs were taken if they were taken at all since China never allowed any outsiders into wet market to verify this.

China did claim covid could have come from frozen meat imported from Australia did you forget about that?

The swabs are still the only real evidence of the source of covid19.

Booby posted a queer video months old—no other news source has the “facts” that video contains  ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7^th, 2025 at 5:55pm:

The swabs are still the only real evidence of the source of covid19.

The swabs only tell you covid was there they don't say where it came from ya dopey dickhead

:D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

They found cocaine in the White House when Joe was having a snooze in a back room that didn't indicate the source it only proved cocaine was there.

Not only did Spanish Flu originate in a wet market in the US SARS-COV-1 also originated in one:


Quote:

What is the origin of SARS-CoV-1? Phylogenetic analysis of these viruses indicated a high probability that SARS coronavirus originated in bats and spread to humans either directly or through animals held in Chinese markets. The bats did not show any visible signs of disease, but are the likely natural reservoirs of SARS-like coronaviruses. SARS-CoV-1 - Wikipedia Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › SARS-CoV-1

That's true. The pneumonic pandemic was American made.
Calling it Spanish is another way of saying "a Lab" did it.

Spain, unlike Britain, the US, France, Italy and Germany etc, was not part of the WWI conflict. So to pretend the virus was not hitting their forces the belligerents all called it the Spanish Flu.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7^th, 2025 at 5:48pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7th, 2025 at 5:39pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2025 at 5:36pm: Thanks Baron, Monk doesn't know - no one should listen to him.   ::) Says the high school dropout posting some crap video several months old with no real news service carrying the crap video he posted uncritically? Baron posted a Pubpeer comment I linked to. Monk is a high school drop out. I have 6 years of tertiary education.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Poor old Booby the high school dropout, STILL trying to pretend to having tertiary education.

MAGICAL education folks, all at the same time the liar pretends his “six years of ‘tertiary education’ simultaneously:

1. Were all done at university

2. Were all done outside of university

3. Were all done partly in and partly outside university.

“Magical” tertiary education that somehow leaves Booby without any ability to process data and make realistic deductions.

Monk claims to have a BSc in geology and minerology.

Both disciplines require a high knowledge of chemistry but
Monk had never heard of the hybridization of atomic orbitals -
essential chemistry - introduced in Chemistry 101 and
in much greater detail later on -
and he was unable to identify a box of rocks I had -
even when one was obviously a Quartz crystal.

Monk is a charlatan who fooled many people but he didn't fool me.   ::)

Oh no, Monk and Bobby are going to have internet sex again, yuk. :o

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7^th, 2025 at 9:07am:

CIA are not scientists, more political actors.

while acknowledging that the spy agency has "low confidence" in its own conclusion.

CIA did change their position from probably wet market to maybe Lab but they don't really know.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 7^th, 2025 at 9:44pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7th, 2025 at 9:07am: CIA are not scientists, more political actors. while acknowledging that the spy agency has "low confidence" in its own conclusion. CIA did change their position from probably wet market to maybe Lab but they don't really know.

Difficult to know when the Chinese and the Yanks blocked all inquiries -

and when Fauci lied and lied and lied and lied.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7^th, 2025 at 7:13pm:

Spain, unlike Britain, the US, France, Italy and Germany etc, was not part of the WWI conflict. So to pretend the virus was not hitting their forces the belligerents all called it the Spanish Flu.

It was called the Spanish flu because that's where it was first reported.
Hendra virus was named after a place north of Brisbane.
Initially covid was called "Wuhan Virus"yet WHO changed naming protocols for political correctness.
Viruses were named after the place of their first detection or origin


Furin Cleavage fingerprint-
Peter Daszaks Proposal predates COVID by 1.5 years
DEFUSE's core "innovation"—engineer FCS at S1/S2 for better human tropism—matches SARS-CoV-2's unique FCS exactly. No natural sarbecovirus has it; lab inserts (e.g., Baric's 2015 SARS-MERS chimera) do. Daszak's drafts eyed "furin cleavage sites" in wild sequences, then lab-added 'em if absent.

Sarbecovirus = the subgenus of coronaviruses that includes SARS-CoV-1, SARS-CoV-2, and their closest bat relatives.

Sarbecovirus is the natural viral clan SARS-CoV-2 came from. The FCS is like finding a fingerprint in a crime scene — not in any family member… but written into the lab proposal two years earlier.

Shi Zhengli 2019 paper
“All experiments with live SARS-like CoVs performed in BSL-2.”
Baric email (2018)
“In the U.S., this would require BSL-3… but in China, they do it in BSL-2.”
BSL-2 is what you get visiting the dentist.

BSL-2 + DEFUSE blueprint + FCS match + early WIV illnesses = lab origin is the only coherent explanation.

Rand Paul is bringing Fauci back into congress next year his pardon is only for 2014-2025 will Fauci come clean or risk perjury again without being protected by his pardon?

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 7^th, 2025 at 10:31pm:

Rand Paul is bringing Fauci back into congress next year his pardon is only for 2014-2025 will Fauci come clean or risk perjury again without being protected by his pardon?

That will be interesting.   :)

Death by lethal injection

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 7^th, 2025 at 10:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7th, 2025 at 7:13pm: Spain, unlike Britain, the US, France, Italy and Germany etc, was not part of the WWI conflict. So to pretend the virus was not hitting their forces the belligerents all called it the Spanish Flu. It was called the Spanish flu because that's where it was first reported. Hendra virus was named after a place north of Brisbane. Initially covid was called "Wuhan Virus"yet WHO changed naming protocols for political correctness. Viruses were named after the place of their first detection or origin Furin Cleavage fingerprint- Peter Daszaks Proposal predates COVID by 1.5 years DEFUSE's core "innovation"—engineer FCS at S1/S2 for better human tropism—matches SARS-CoV-2's unique FCS exactly. No natural sarbecovirus has it; lab inserts (e.g., Baric's 2015 SARS-MERS chimera) do. Daszak's drafts eyed "furin cleavage sites" in wild sequences, then lab-added 'em if absent. Sarbecovirus = the subgenus of coronaviruses that includes SARS-CoV-1, SARS-CoV-2, and their closest bat relatives. Sarbecovirus is the natural viral clan SARS-CoV-2 came from. The FCS is like finding a fingerprint in a crime scene — not in any family member… but written into the lab proposal two years earlier. Shi Zhengli 2019 paper “All experiments with live SARS-like CoVs performed in BSL-2.” Baric email (2018) “In the U.S., this would require BSL-3… but in China, they do it in BSL-2.” BSL-2 is what you get visiting the dentist. BSL-2 + DEFUSE blueprint + FCS match + early WIV illnesses = lab origin is the only coherent explanation. Rand Paul is bringing Fauci back into congress next year his pardon is only for 2014-2025 will Fauci come clean or risk perjury again without being protected by his pardon?

Quote:

Rand Paul is bringing Fauci back

Its funny watching Rand continually embarris himself.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 8^th, 2025 at 11:12am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 7th, 2025 at 10:31pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7th, 2025 at 7:13pm: Spain, unlike Britain, the US, France, Italy and Germany etc, was not part of the WWI conflict. So to pretend the virus was not hitting their forces the belligerents all called it the Spanish Flu. It was called the Spanish flu because that's where it was first reported. Hendra virus was named after a place north of Brisbane. Initially covid was called "Wuhan Virus"yet WHO changed naming protocols for political correctness. Viruses were named after the place of their first detection or origin Furin Cleavage fingerprint- Peter Daszaks Proposal predates COVID by 1.5 years DEFUSE's core "innovation"—engineer FCS at S1/S2 for better human tropism—matches SARS-CoV-2's unique FCS exactly. No natural sarbecovirus has it; lab inserts (e.g., Baric's 2015 SARS-MERS chimera) do. Daszak's drafts eyed "furin cleavage sites" in wild sequences, then lab-added 'em if absent. Sarbecovirus = the subgenus of coronaviruses that includes SARS-CoV-1, SARS-CoV-2, and their closest bat relatives. Sarbecovirus is the natural viral clan SARS-CoV-2 came from. The FCS is like finding a fingerprint in a crime scene — not in any family member… but written into the lab proposal two years earlier. Shi Zhengli 2019 paper “All experiments with live SARS-like CoVs performed in BSL-2.” Baric email (2018) “In the U.S., this would require BSL-3… but in China, they do it in BSL-2.” BSL-2 is what you get visiting the dentist. BSL-2 + DEFUSE blueprint + FCS match + early WIV illnesses = lab origin is the only coherent explanation. Rand Paul is bringing Fauci back into congress next year his pardon is only for 2014-2025 will Fauci come clean or risk perjury again without being protected by his pardon? Quote: Rand Paul is bringing Fauci back Its funny watching Rand continually embarris himself.

It's funny watching Rand make Anthony squirm  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2025 at 7:51am:

It's funny watching Rand make Anthony squirm  ;)

Running an unreasoned personal vendetta against one of America's national treasures is never a good look.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 10^th, 2025 at 6:48pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2025 at 7:51am: It's funny watching Rand make Anthony squirm  ;) Running an unreasoned personal vendetta against one of America's national treasures is never a good look.

Tulsi is giving Rand Paul all the emails between Fauci Baric Collins and Andersen.
In private these clowns knew covid was a lab leak emails show this in public they called those who knew the truth conspiracy theorists trying to cover it up.

Fauci is not immune from civil lawsuits which Americans like next year he might be broke and bankrupt.

He is not going to be a national treasure when people realise he tried to cover up something he financed which killed millions of people.

His email saying " we need to scare the American people more" is psychopathic.
It has produced many Carl's who fell in love with the safety offered rom this frightening virus.

The sensible swedes never decided to run such a psych op on their citizens.

Disgraceful stuff with real repercussions.

School refusal in teenage girls went from under 1000 pre covid to over 20,000 after the lockdowns.
In qld alone.

Covid has resulted in a generation of anxious disabled people.
Fauci and his ilk bear the responsibility .

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11^th, 2025 at 6:11am:

His email saying " we need to scare the American people more" is psychopathic. It has produced many Carl's who fell in love with the safety offered rom this frightening virus. The sensible swedes never decided to run such a psych op on their citizens. Disgraceful stuff with real repercussions. School refusal in teenage girls went from under 1000 pre covid to over 20,000 after the lockdowns. In qld alone. Covid has resulted in a generation of anxious disabled people. Fauci and his ilk bear the responsibility .

Covid has also resulted in a minimum of 7 or 8 million dead people worldwide, some say the actual number could be over 20 million.

Including over a million dead Americans and nearly 30,000 dead Australians.

And they're still dying.

Oh, and not Sweden again.

Did Sweden’s controversial COVID strategy pay off? In many ways it did – but it let the elderly down


Quote:

Despite the benefits of avoiding lockdown, the Swedish response was not flawless. In late 2020, the Corona Commission, an independent committee appointed by the government to evaluate the Swedish pandemic response, found the government and the Public Health Agency had largely failed in their ambition to protect the elderly. At that time, almost 90% of those who had died with COVID in Sweden were 70 or older. Half of these people were living in a care home, and just under 30% were receiving home help services. Indeed, numerous problems within elderly care in Sweden became evident during the pandemic. Structural shortcomings such as insufficient staffing levels left nursing homes unprepared and ill-equipped to handle the situation. In its final report on the pandemic response, the Corona Commission concluded that tougher measures should have been taken early in the pandemic, such as quarantine for those returning from high-risk areas and a temporary ban on entry to Sweden.

"Let the elderly down". Yes, I'm sure that's something you were quite happy with. Just like the elderly have been let down here in Australia and many other parts of the world.

"When we open up and let Covid rip we'll make sure the elderly and other vulnerable people are protected".

Liars. And they're also now cowards because they (politicians) won't even admit they stuffed up and don't even say the C(ovid) word anymore - probably because they're scared of lawsuits (and big business, of course).

Disgraceful stuff.

The world is so over-populated, especially in the over-crowded, filthiest disease ridden parts.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 10^th, 2025 at 11:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 10th, 2025 at 6:48pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2025 at 7:51am: It's funny watching Rand make Anthony squirm  ;) Running an unreasoned personal vendetta against one of America's national treasures is never a good look. Tulsi is giving Rand Paul all the emails between Fauci Baric Collins and Andersen. In private these clowns knew covid was a lab leak emails show this in public they called those who knew the truth conspiracy theorists trying to cover it up. Fauci is not immune from civil lawsuits which Americans like next year he might be broke and bankrupt. He is not going to be a national treasure when people realise he tried to cover up something he financed which killed millions of people.

I really want Fauci to get a fair trial.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 11^th, 2025 at 8:13am:

I really want Fauci to get a fair trial.

Followed by a hanging, no doubt.

Fauci told a few fibs.
No biggie.
The big fella tells fibs all the time.
But the big fella doesn't present himself as Saint Donald.
He admits he grabs em by the pussy. He admits you should cheat at golf because your opponents do.
He is proud of his plans to turn Gaza into a club med.
People like this sort of authenticity.

"Yes I'm a bit of a prick. But I'm a funny prick and I'm entertaining".

Fauci on the other hand wants to be seen as pure when he's not.
He should learn to loosen up.
He should tell congress

" whoops, we made a big boo boo , sorry about that. Now let me tell you about my new golf course and let me make a few jokes about fat donny"

Then the population  would see him as a flawed human being. Just like they all are and they'd be cool with it.

The lefts main problem is how they refuse to admit they are naughty and sinners.
They want to be right all the time.
Nobody likes a goody two shoes.
Kids bully the teachers pet.

Anthony needs to get a bit of dirt on him
Maybe go to a strip club like Rudd did.
It actually made Rudd more popular and look how popular donny gets the more he just doesn't give a Faaaark

Jasin wrote on Nov 11^th, 2025 at 7:22am:

The world is so over-populated, especially in the over-crowded, filthiest disease ridden parts.

Yes but I feel that we should leave your street out of it.

Carl D wrote on Nov 11^th, 2025 at 9:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 8:13am: I really want Fauci to get a fair trial. Followed by a hanging, no doubt.

Well that was the punishment at Nuremberg for crimes against humanity.

At least 7 million dead this time around.   :o

Fauci lied to congress

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Carl D wrote on Nov 11^th, 2025 at 6:55am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 6:11am: His email saying " we need to scare the American people more" is psychopathic. It has produced many Carl's who fell in love with the safety offered rom this frightening virus. The sensible swedes never decided to run such a psych op on their citizens. Disgraceful stuff with real repercussions. School refusal in teenage girls went from under 1000 pre covid to over 20,000 after the lockdowns. In qld alone. Covid has resulted in a generation of anxious disabled people. Fauci and his ilk bear the responsibility . Covid has also resulted in a minimum of 7 or 8 million dead people worldwide, some say the actual number could be over 20 million. Including over a million dead Americans and nearly 30,000 dead Australians. And they're still dying. Oh, and not Sweden again. Did Sweden’s controversial COVID strategy pay off? In many ways it did – but it let the elderly down Quote: Despite the benefits of avoiding lockdown, the Swedish response was not flawless. In late 2020, the Corona Commission, an independent committee appointed by the government to evaluate the Swedish pandemic response, found the government and the Public Health Agency had largely failed in their ambition to protect the elderly. At that time, almost 90% of those who had died with COVID in Sweden were 70 or older. Half of these people were living in a care home, and just under 30% were receiving home help services. Indeed, numerous problems within elderly care in Sweden became evident during the pandemic. Structural shortcomings such as insufficient staffing levels left nursing homes unprepared and ill-equipped to handle the situation. In its final report on the pandemic response, the Corona Commission concluded that tougher measures should have been taken early in the pandemic, such as quarantine for those returning from high-risk areas and a temporary ban on entry to Sweden. "Let the elderly down". Yes, I'm sure that's something you were quite happy with. Just like the elderly have been let down here in Australia and many other parts of the world. "When we open up and let Covid rip we'll make sure the elderly and other vulnerable people are protected". Liars. And they're also now cowards because they (politicians) won't even admit they stuffed up and don't even say the C(ovid) word anymore - probably because they're scared of lawsuits (and big business, of course). Disgraceful stuff.

You claim Sweden let the elderly down with Covid.

ABS data shows median age for covid deaths in Australia is over 83 years of age.

Despite all our restrictions we didn't do any better than Sweden with protecting the elderly.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2025 at 11:43am:

You claim Sweden let the elderly down with Covid. ABS data shows median age for covid deaths in Australia is over 83 years of age. Despite all our restrictions we didn't do any better than Sweden with protecting the elderly.

I don't think the true death toll will ever be known -
the human body is far too complicated to work it out.

Both Covid-19 and it's dozens of mutations/variants and
the many different vaccines all killed people
or have left them with weaknesses that will shorten their lives.

Covid-19 is a bio weapon developed in a lab using gene splicing technology
with many chains of 5 other viruses spliced into it -
including HIV AIDS to make it as lethal as possible.

The vaccines have unknown long term side effects too.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-15234439/pandemic-covid-effects-vaccine.html

12th Nov  2025

I was a healthy physician who took the Covid shot... now I'm paralyzed:

'We're the vaccine industry's dirty little secret'



Multiple people across the globe who stepped forward early to receive the Covid vaccine are speaking about what they say is the debilitating neurological condition they developed after getting the shot.

Officials became concerned about potential side effects, even shutting down Oxford-AstraZeneca's phase three Covid vaccine trials while investigators researched possible links to the shot.

Later, health authorities concluded the disabling condition, transverse myelitis (TM), was coincidental and trials were resumed. However, similar cases emerged in recipients of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines after rollout, raising ongoing concerns about possible connections.

Daily Mail can now reveal that thousands of cases of the same neurological condition were reported after all major brands of Covid vaccines were administered.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 13^th, 2025 at 12:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13th, 2025 at 11:43am: You claim Sweden let the elderly down with Covid. ABS data shows median age for covid deaths in Australia is over 83 years of age. Despite all our restrictions we didn't do any better than Sweden with protecting the elderly. I don't think the true death toll will ever be known - the human body is far too complicated to work it out. Both Covid-19 and it's dozens of mutations/variants and the many different vaccines all killed people or have left them with weaknesses that will shorten their lives. Covid-19 is a bio weapon developed in a lab using gene splicing technology with many chains of 5 other viruses spliced into it - including HIV AIDS to make it as lethal as possible.

LOL! You tried and failed to show this in the Chinese Bioweapon thread.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 24^th, 2025 at 10:55am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 13th, 2025 at 12:04pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13th, 2025 at 11:43am: You claim Sweden let the elderly down with Covid. ABS data shows median age for covid deaths in Australia is over 83 years of age. Despite all our restrictions we didn't do any better than Sweden with protecting the elderly. I don't think the true death toll will ever be known - the human body is far too complicated to work it out. Both Covid-19 and it's dozens of mutations/variants and the many different vaccines all killed people or have left them with weaknesses that will shorten their lives. Covid-19 is a bio weapon developed in a lab using gene splicing technology with many chains of 5 other viruses spliced into it - including HIV AIDS to make it as lethal as possible. LOL! You tried and failed to show this in the Chinese Bioweapon thread.

Bullshit - I backed it up with 131 pages of evidence -
it's as large as a book.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1580611988/1950#1950

None of that is evidence, as even you would realise if you:

1. Were intelligent

2. Were educated

Alas, you are a dumb high school dropout who can’t tell poo from clay.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 24^th, 2025 at 11:11am:

None of that is evidence, as even you would realise if you: 1. Were intelligent 2. Were educated Alas, you are a dumb high school dropout who can’t tell poo from clay.

You're a halfwit -

I served up the truth to you on a plate when it was part of Fringe -
now it's main stream.  ::)

You served up garbage and pretend it is evidence.

It isn’t.

Two lots of evidence say it is the wet market caused the epidemic. A third line of evidence seems to say the same thing.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 24^th, 2025 at 10:52pm:

. Two lots of evidence say it is the wet market caused the epidemic. A third line of evidence seems to say the same thing.

Mong showing everyone he is a total retard

The wet market nonsense didn't pass peer review.

China did claim covid came from frozen Aussie beef.

Nature has a paper but $ to access.

Science has a paper:

Quote:

Pandemic epicenter As 2019 turned into 2020, a coronavirus spilled over from wild animals into people, sparking what has become one of the best documented pandemics to afflict humans. However, the origins of the pandemic in December 2019 are controversial. Worobey et al. amassed the variety of evidence from the City of Wuhan, China, where the first human infections were reported. These reports confirm that most of the earliest human cases centered around the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market. Within the market, the data statistically located the earliest human cases to one section where vendors of live wild animals congregated and where virus-positive environmental samples concentrated. In a related report, Pekar et al. found that genomic diversity before February 2020 comprised two distinct viral lineages, A and B, which were the result of at least two separate cross-species transmission events into humans (see the Perspective by Jiang and Wang). The precise events surrounding virus spillover will always be clouded, but all of the circumstantial evidence so far points to more than one zoonotic event occurring in Huanan market in Wuhan, China, likely during November–December 2019. —CA Abstract Understanding how severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) emerged in 2019 is critical to preventing future zoonotic outbreaks before they become the next pandemic. The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, China, was identified as a likely source of cases in early reports, but later this conclusion became controversial. We show here that the earliest known COVID-19 cases from December 2019, including those without reported direct links, were geographically centered on this market. We report that live SARS-CoV-2–susceptible mammals were sold at the market in late 2019 and that within the market, SARS-CoV-2–positive environmental samples were spatially associated with vendors selling live mammals. Although there is insufficient evidence to define upstream events, and exact circumstances remain obscure, our analyses indicate that the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 occurred through the live wildlife trade in China and show that the Huanan market was the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715

Re the “lab leak” theory:

Quote:

On the Controversies Surrounding the Lab-Leak Theory of COVID-19 Jin-Hong Yoo 1,✉ Author information Article notes Copyright and License information PMCID: PMC12040609  PMID: 40296830 In April 2025, the White House of the United States officially declared on its website that COVID-19 originated from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.1 This announcement has sparked significant controversy, as it may be seen as a case where political considerations have influenced, or at least appeared to influence, the interpretation of scientific matters. The origin of COVID-19 remains a topic of vigorous scientific debate. The most widely supported theory is the natural spillover hypothesis, which posits that the virus was transmitted to humans through a process of accumulated mutations while circulating among animals. This theory is backed by numerous genomic analyses and evolutionary biology studies that support the natural emergence of SARS-CoV-2,2,3,4,5 with concrete evidence showing adaptation processes through recombination events among various hosts such as bats and pangolins.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12040609/


BMJ:
https://www.bmj.com/content/386/bmj.q1578

Article argues that there is no possibility of the origin of covid 19 ever being decided.


So much for the crap from the high school dropout.

Monk's fascination for probing.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 25^th, 2025 at 4:47am:

Re the “lab leak” theory: [quote]On the Controversies Surrounding the Lab-Leak Theory of COVID-19 Jin-Hong Yoo 1,✉ Author information Article notes Copyright and License information PMCID: PMC12040609  PMID: 40296830 In April 2025, the White House of the United States officially declared on its website that COVID-19 originated from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.1

Patient Zero for Covid worked in Wuhan lab which is a fact the stupid Mong ignores.

Robert Redfield a Virologist and former head of the CDC has said Lab Leak from day 1.

Patient zero?


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The latest major revelation in this line emerged this week. Taken at face value, it’s extraordinary: Ben Hu, a high-level researcher at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and two colleagues, Yu Ping and Zhu Yan, could have been the first people on the planet to be infected with SARS-CoV-2, according to anonymous sources cited first in the newsletter Public and then in The Wall Street Journal. These proposed patient SARS-CoV-zeros aren’t merely employees of the virology institute; they’re central figures in the very sort of research that lab-leak investigators have been scrutinizing since the start of the pandemic. Their names appear on crucial papers related to the discovery of new, SARS-related coronaviruses in bats, and subsequent experimentation on those viruses. Is this the “smoking gun,” at last, as many now insist? Has the Case of the Missing COVID Origin finally been solved? Hu and Yu each denied the allegations in emails to Science, saying they did not get sick in autumn 2019. “My colleagues and I tested for SARS-CoV-2 antibody in early March 2020 and we were all negative,” Hu wrote. But those denials notwithstanding, if these researchers did turn out to be the very first infected people, then their professional activities would mean they almost certainly caught the virus in the lab, not a market stall full of marmots and raccoon dogs. The origins debate has from the start revolved around a pair of dueling “coincidences.” The fact that the pandemic just happened to take off at a wet market suggests that the virus spilled over into humans from animals for sale there. But the fact that it also just happened to take off not too far away from one of the world’s leading bat-coronavirus labs suggests the opposite. This week’s information seems to tip the balance very heavily toward the latter interpretation. The only problem is, we don’t know whether the latest revelations can be trusted, or to what extent. The newly reported facts appear to stem from a single item of intelligence, furnished by a foreign source, that has bounced around inside the U.S. government since sometime in 2020. Over the past two and a half years, the full description of the sickened workers in Wuhan has been revealed with excruciating slowness, in sedimenting clauses, through well-timed leaks. This glacial striptease has finally reached its end, but is the underlying information even true? Until that question can be answered (which could be never), the origins debate will be stuck exactly where it’s been for many months: always moving forward, never quite arriving. The story of these sickened workers has been in the public domain, one way or another, since the start of 2021. Officials in the Trump administration’s State Department, reportedly determined to go public with their findings, put out a fact sheet about various events and circumstances at the Wuhan Institute of Virology around the beginning of the pandemic. Included was a quick description of alleged illnesses among the staff. The fact sheet didn’t name the sickened scientists or what they did inside the lab, or when exactly their illnesses occurred. It didn’t specify their symptoms, nor did it say how many scientists had gotten sick.

https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2023/08/01/has-covids-patient-zero-finally-been-named/

Sounds very much like hogwash.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 26^th, 2025 at 4:09pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 25th, 2025 at 4:47am: Re the “lab leak” theory: Quote: On the Controversies Surrounding the Lab-Leak Theory of COVID-19 Jin-Hong Yoo 1,✉ Author information Article notes Copyright and License information PMCID: PMC12040609  PMID: 40296830 In April 2025, the White House of the United States officially declared on its website that COVID-19 originated from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.1 Patient Zero for Covid worked in Wuhan lab which is a fact the stupid Mong ignores. Robert Redfield a Virologist and former head of the CDC has said Lab Leak from day 1. [quote]Patient Zero for Covid worked in Wuhan lab which is a fact

Still never been confirmed. One of the Whan lab employees claimed to be case 1 has denied that he ever had covid.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 27^th, 2025 at 11:32pm:

Patient zero? Quote: The latest major revelation in this line emerged this week. Taken at face value, it’s extraordinary: Ben Hu, a high-level researcher at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and two colleagues, Yu Ping and Zhu Yan, could have been the first people on the planet to be infected with SARS-CoV-2, according to anonymous sources cited first in the newsletter Public and then in The Wall Street Journal. These proposed patient SARS-CoV-zeros aren’t merely employees of the virology institute; they’re central figures in the very sort of research that lab-leak investigators have been scrutinizing since the start of the pandemic. Their names appear on crucial papers related to the discovery of new, SARS-related coronaviruses in bats, and subsequent experimentation on those viruses. Is this the “smoking gun,” at last, as many now insist? Has the Case of the Missing COVID Origin finally been solved? Hu and Yu each denied the allegations in emails to Science, saying they did not get sick in autumn 2019. “My colleagues and I tested for SARS-CoV-2 antibody in early March 2020 and we were all negative,” Hu wrote. But those denials notwithstanding, if these researchers did turn out to be the very first infected people, then their professional activities would mean they almost certainly caught the virus in the lab, not a market stall full of marmots and raccoon dogs. The origins debate has from the start revolved around a pair of dueling “coincidences.” The fact that the pandemic just happened to take off at a wet market suggests that the virus spilled over into humans from animals for sale there. But the fact that it also just happened to take off not too far away from one of the world’s leading bat-coronavirus labs suggests the opposite. This week’s information seems to tip the balance very heavily toward the latter interpretation. The only problem is, we don’t know whether the latest revelations can be trusted, or to what extent. The newly reported facts appear to stem from a single item of intelligence, furnished by a foreign source, that has bounced around inside the U.S. government since sometime in 2020. Over the past two and a half years, the full description of the sickened workers in Wuhan has been revealed with excruciating slowness, in sedimenting clauses, through well-timed leaks. This glacial striptease has finally reached its end, but is the underlying information even true? Until that question can be answered (which could be never), the origins debate will be stuck exactly where it’s been for many months: always moving forward, never quite arriving. The story of these sickened workers has been in the public domain, one way or another, since the start of 2021. Officials in the Trump administration’s State Department, reportedly determined to go public with their findings, put out a fact sheet about various events and circumstances at the Wuhan Institute of Virology around the beginning of the pandemic. Included was a quick description of alleged illnesses among the staff. The fact sheet didn’t name the sickened scientists or what they did inside the lab, or when exactly their illnesses occurred. It didn’t specify their symptoms, nor did it say how many scientists had gotten sick. https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2023/08/01/has-covids-patient-zero-finally-been-named/ Sounds very much like hogwash.

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Sounds very much like hogwash

Yes but high quality hogwash.

And Booby’s 100+ pages of crap in the Bioweapon thread remains. . .100+ pages of crap.