Thursday night....

Just heard it reported on ABC radio news......



WWW search....
HAMAS rejects ceasefire proposal
HAMAS military chief 'WON'T accept Trump's peace plan and will continue to fight Israel

So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen.

Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet?

He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now.

Yadda wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 12:16am:

Thursday night.... Just heard it reported on ABC radio news...... WWW search.... HAMAS rejects ceasefire proposal HAMAS military chief 'WON'T accept Trump's peace plan and will continue to fight Israel

Not a surprise.  Hamas must be eliminated.




Two people were killed and three others seriously injured in the car and knife attack, which took place on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar.

The attacker was shot dead by police moments after he targeted worshippers at Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue in Manchester shortly before 9:30am.

Chief Constable Sir Stephen Watson of Greater Manchester Police said it was “thanks to the immediate bravery of security staff and the worshippers inside, as well as the fast response of the police, the attacker was prevented from gaining access”.

He added: “There were a large number of worshippers attending the synagogue at the time of this attack.”

The suspect was shot within seven minutes of the first call to the emergency services and two people have since been arrested over the attack, he added.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21am:

So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen. Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet? He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now.

To be fair, people have been trying to stop them attacking the Jews for over half a century, with no luck.

Yadda wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 12:16am:

Thursday night.... Just heard it reported on ABC radio news...... WWW search.... HAMAS rejects ceasefire proposal HAMAS military chief 'WON'T accept Trump's peace plan and will continue to fight Israel

https://i.imgur.com/LLkcFzL.gif

Not surprising. HAMAS have been given a chance and have refused to take it. What happens next is entirely on their heads.

Belgarion wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 11:51am:

Not surprising. HAMAS have been given a chance and have refused to take it. What happens next is entirely on their heads.

Wise heads think the same - just as I predicted and outlined would happen.

I like this one:-

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1291930838810639

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21am:

So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen. Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet? He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now.

Ya reckon?  He's got Hamas right where he expected them to be at this STAGE of negotiation... and Vlad is looking on in quiet shock covered over by blustering  as the whole thing unfolds for the Black Hats and Robes... a slow motion collapse of their entire structure...

I thought you were an industrial advocate or something - surely you understand the strategies of negotiation... as opposed to the strategies of simple negation...

Frank wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:01am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 12:16am: Thursday night.... Just heard it reported on ABC radio news...... WWW search.... HAMAS rejects ceasefire proposal HAMAS military chief 'WON'T accept Trump's peace plan and will continue to fight Israel Not a surprise.  Hamas must be eliminated. Two people were killed and three others seriously injured in the car and knife attack, which took place on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar. The attacker was shot dead by police moments after he targeted worshippers at Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue in Manchester shortly before 9:30am. Chief Constable Sir Stephen Watson of Greater Manchester Police said it was “thanks to the immediate bravery of security staff and the worshippers inside, as well as the fast response of the police, the attacker was prevented from gaining access”. He added: “There were a large number of worshippers attending the synagogue at the time of this attack.” The suspect was shot within seven minutes of the first call to the emergency services and two people have since been arrested over the attack, he added.

Jeez - even the Brits are rounding them up now - seems The Patriots are forcing change ... now for a little enhanced interrogation and tracking down the whole coven of evil...

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 8:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 12:21am: So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen. Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet? He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now. To be fair, people have been trying to stop them attacking the Jews for over half a century, with no luck.

You sure about that bro ?? :D

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 12:21am: So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen. Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet? He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now. Ya reckon?  He's got Hamas right where he expected them to be at this STAGE of negotiation... and Vlad is looking on in quiet shock covered over by blustering  as the whole thing unfolds for the Black Hats and Robes... a slow motion collapse of their entire structure... I thought you were an industrial advocate or something - surely you understand the strategies of negotiation... as opposed to the strategies of simple negation...

I do, and Trump is one of the worst negotiators I've ever seen.

Hopeless businessman, hopeless negotiator and hopeless politician.

He's a very good conman though, however, that's nothing to be proud of.

Trump knows the art of the deal:


https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61tmNfB-wBL._SL1200_.jpg

Bobby. wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:35pm:

Trump knows the art of the deal:

He knows how to send casinos broke, that's for sure.

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:23pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 8:15am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 12:21am: So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen. Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet? He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now. To be fair, people have been trying to stop them attacking the Jews for over half a century, with no luck. You sure about that bro ?? :D

Yes. The Muslims have been trying to wipe out Israel for as long as Israel has existed. You are equating loser with victim. They are not the same thing. At least, not always. You only have to scratch the surface to see.

Before Hamas was Fatah trying to wipe out the Jews. Hamas is not the result of Israeli genocide. It is the result of Fatah negotiating peace, and the local Muslims voting their preference for more war. They are getting exactly what they asked for.

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:23pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 8:15am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 12:21am: So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen. Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet? He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now. To be fair, people have been trying to stop them attacking the Jews for over half a century, with no luck. You sure about that bro ?? :D

IMAGE POSTED BY LASTNAIL .....
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A DIFFERENT IMAGE.....
https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/IMG_6916.jpeg

Aaaaaaw.
That poor child.     /sarc off




"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
   ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb.


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MY OPINION......
ISLAM, is a murderous DEATH CULT....
ISLAM, is a murderous DEATH CULT....
ISLAM, is a murderous DEATH CULT....

WAKE UP PEOPLE


Their own words [i.e. ISLAMIC SOURCES]......

"Our children....
were created to be fertilizer
for the land of Palestine"
- Palestinian Authority
for full citation from PA, follow LINK below

Yadda said........
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1729604374/2#2


WWW search.....
what is "the Cause of Allah"?
fighting for "the Cause of Allah" (Jihad)

FROM THE HOLY KORAN.....

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise):
they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


ARGUMENT [with proofs];
Moslems in Gaza >> ALL CLAIM << that they have a desire to die,
fighting for "the Cause of Allah".



"Say: "...If ye think that ye are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men,
then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!"  "
Koran 62.06


n.b.
Koran 62.06 is admonishing the believer,
that his only true love, in this life [if he is a true moslem],
is to die, fighting in Allah's cause [aka JIHAD]. !!!

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 3:46pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 1:23pm: freediver wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 8:15am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 12:21am: So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen. Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet? He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now. To be fair, people have been trying to stop them attacking the Jews for over half a century, with no luck. You sure about that bro ?? :D Yes. The Muslims have been trying to wipe out Israel for as long as Israel has existed. You are equating loser with victim. They are not the same thing. At least, not always. You only have to scratch the surface to see. Before Hamas was Fatah trying to wipe out the Jews. Hamas is not the result of Israeli genocide. It is the result of Fatah negotiating peace, and the local Muslims voting their preference for more war. They are getting exactly what they asked for.

Yeh sure bro ;)

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Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 7:33pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 3:46pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 1:23pm: freediver wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 8:15am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 12:21am: So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen. Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet? He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now. To be fair, people have been trying to stop them attacking the Jews for over half a century, with no luck. You sure about that bro ?? :D Yes. The Muslims have been trying to wipe out Israel for as long as Israel has existed. You are equating loser with victim. They are not the same thing. At least, not always. You only have to scratch the surface to see. Before Hamas was Fatah trying to wipe out the Jews. Hamas is not the result of Israeli genocide. It is the result of Fatah negotiating peace, and the local Muslims voting their preference for more war. They are getting exactly what they asked for. Yeh sure bro ;)

Are you attempting to disagree with me Nail?

I agree with Gurion. The Arabs cannot accept peace because they are indoctrinated to think that the land "belongs" to Islam, and anything remotely resembling Jewish "ownership" of it is an affront to their ideology. Even if that ownership takes the form of a wealthy liberal democracy in which the Arab Muslims have more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. Gurion was right on the money. The Muslims are committed to slaughtering Jews. Understanding their commitment to slaughtering Jews is not the same thing as condoning it though.

Not to mention what they would do to the Muslim Israelis....... and the rest.

2025-Oct-04  Sat
IT IS BEING REPORTED, THIS MORNING........



1/ HAMAS agrees to release ALL of the Israeli hostages [...the living and the dead].

2/ But HAMAS says.....they WILL NOT [they still refuse to] DISARM.


I think this [#2] is a 'NO-GO', it is still, a deal breaker.

i.e.
THERE WILL BE,
NO END OF THE WAR IN GAZA YET.


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"A war never ends by one side declaring victory,
but by one side admitting defeat."
- Ahmad Shah Massoud

Respect.



TODAY....2025-Oct-04  Sat
NOT YET !!!

Looks like weasel words to me. They are not exactly in a position to negotiate.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdxq7zp7002o


Quote:

Hamas has agreed to release all the remaining Israeli hostages but says it wants further negotiations on a number of key points outlined in the US peace plan. In a statement, the group said it agreed "to release all Israeli prisoners, both living and dead, according to the exchange formula contained in President Trump's proposal" - if the proper conditions for the exchanges are met. But it appears to suggest it is seeking further negotiation on other issues regarding the future of Gaza and the rights of Palestinians, saying they are still being discussed. The announcement came hours after US President Donald Trump gave Hamas a Sunday deadline to accept the peace plan or face "all hell".

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21am:

So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen. Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet? He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now.

I thought the number one rule for most countries was -

No negotiation with terrorists?

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:23pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 8:15am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 12:21am: So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen. Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet? He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now. To be fair, people have been trying to stop them attacking the Jews for over half a century, with no luck. You sure about that bro ?? :D

You're a terrorist supporting lunatic.

Well, it's been a very expensive war but it looks like Bibi and Donald have made a point.

Israel has smashed Gaza and removed most of the senior Hamas gang. Trump has given Iran a smack-down in terms of breaking one of their uranium enriching sites.

https://i.imgur.com/6kd5UMn.gif


Israel has killed off the Iranian nuclear scientists.

What a deadly mess it has been.

This person wasn't very bright was he?

https://i.imgur.com/NTtvhDJ.jpg

It seems pretty clear that Hamas is running out of time.

Hamas issued its response to Trump's 20-point plan after the US president gave the Palestinian militant group until Monday AEST to accept or reject the proposal.

Mr Trump has not said whether the terms would be subject to negotiation, as Hamas is seeking.

Earlier, he warned Hamas it would have "all hell" to pay if it did not accept his peace plan for Gaza within a few days.

"If this LAST CHANCE agreement is not reached, all HELL, like no one has ever seen before, will break out against Hamas," he wrote.

He had initially given Hamas three to four days to accept the deal after his 20-point plan was announced on Tuesday.

In the post, he said "innocent Palestinians" should evacuate to an unspecified area in anticipation of a potential assault on Hamas's remaining forces.

Most of Hamas's fighters "are surrounded and MILITARILY TRAPPED, just waiting for me to give the word, 'GO,' for their lives to be quickly extinguished. As for the rest, we know where and who you are, and you will be hunted down, and killed," he said.

Gnads wrote on Oct 4^th, 2025 at 9:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 12:21am: So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen. Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet? He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now. I thought the number one rule for most countries was - No negotiation with terrorists?

So why is Trump negotiating with terrorists then?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 4^th, 2025 at 12:42pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 9:40am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 12:21am: So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen. Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet? He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now. I thought the number one rule for most countries was - No negotiation with terrorists? So why is Trump negotiating with terrorists then?

Is he negotiating or delivering an ultimatum.

Leroy wrote on Oct 4^th, 2025 at 1:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 12:42pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 9:40am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 12:21am: So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen. Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet? He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now. I thought the number one rule for most countries was - No negotiation with terrorists? So why is Trump negotiating with terrorists then? Is he negotiating or delivering an ultimatum.

Negotiating (badly).

A large part of the gaza strip has already been levelled, and the residents are living off Israeli food aid, electricity etc. And the destruction is ongoing while Israel hunts down Hamas and tries to find the hostages. It is hard to tell what anyone else could threaten them with, as no-one wants to have them living off their welfare. They already know they will get more of the same until the hostages are returned. They have always chosen more of the same. There is nothing really left to be said. That's why Hamas, Israel, Trump and everyone else are not really saying anything. Everyone is just waiting for the people of Gaza to come to their senses. Don't hold your breath.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 4^th, 2025 at 1:30pm:

Leroy wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 1:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 12:42pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 9:40am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 12:21am: So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen. Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet? He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now. I thought the number one rule for most countries was - No negotiation with terrorists? So why is Trump negotiating with terrorists then? Is he negotiating or delivering an ultimatum. Negotiating (badly).

Of course not being submissive to Hamas is negotiating badly if you have TDS.

Leroy wrote on Oct 4^th, 2025 at 1:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 1:30pm: Leroy wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 1:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 12:42pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 9:40am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 12:21am: So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen. Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet? He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now. I thought the number one rule for most countries was - No negotiation with terrorists? So why is Trump negotiating with terrorists then? Is he negotiating or delivering an ultimatum. Negotiating (badly). Of course not being submissive to Hamas is negotiating badly if you have TDS.

Trump is submissive to Netenyahu, Putin and now Hamas.

He couldn't negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 4^th, 2025 at 2:25pm:

Leroy wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 1:45pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 1:30pm: Leroy wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 1:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 12:42pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 9:40am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 12:21am: So, Trump retains the title of the worst negotiator the world has ever seen. Has he stopped the Ukraine war yet? He said it would take 24 hours - it's been 11 months now. I thought the number one rule for most countries was - No negotiation with terrorists? So why is Trump negotiating with terrorists then? Is he negotiating or delivering an ultimatum. Negotiating (badly). Of course not being submissive to Hamas is negotiating badly if you have TDS. Trump is submissive to Netenyahu, Putin and now Hamas. He couldn't negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag.

He's got Hamas against the walls and by the balls - one mis-step and it's all over red rover.. ..  and Vlad, in a cold sweat, is watching from the sidelines... while the Ayatollahs are all learning Kumbayah .....and the Houthi are too dumb to tremble...

.. To B-2 or not B-2 ....... that is the question...

freediver wrote on Oct 4^th, 2025 at 1:34pm:

A large part of the gaza strip has already been levelled, and the residents are living off Israeli food aid, electricity etc. And the destruction is ongoing while Israel hunts down Hamas and tries to find the hostages. It is hard to tell what anyone else could threaten them with, as no-one wants to have them living off their welfare. They already know they will get more of the same until the hostages are returned. They have always chosen more of the same. There is nothing really left to be said. That's why Hamas, Israel, Trump and everyone else are not really saying anything. Everyone is just waiting for the people of Gaza to come to their senses. Don't hold your breath.

Good post.

People raised in victimhood LOVE  their pain.

It's their emotional set point.

Take the pain away and they get disorientated.

No joy, creativity, optimism , fun.

Those concepts are poisonous to such people

https://i.imgur.com/S76s65L.jpeg