I call it a scam, especially when you have a gun at your head to accept it or else !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y4hecVZ4Rs

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Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 9:50am:

I call it a scam, especially when you have a gun at your head to accept it or else !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y4hecVZ4Rs

That's what war is.  Hamas started it - now they will have peace imposed on them since they will not accept it.



.... you weep for Hamas and you criticise the troops forced to fight it.... the only reason you can even do that is because you don't know what I know .... Hamas' death, though totally unlamentable on the world stage - SAVES LIVES ....we are in the business of SAVING LIVES .... we use words like peace, forbearance, honour, integrity and respect for human values to uphold something we spend a lifetime defending .. YOU use them as throwaway lines at cocktail parties.....  but deep down inside where you don't want to look - you want Israel on that wall - you NEED Israel on that wall... I have neither the time nor the inclination to argue with someone who sleeps under the very protection Israel provides to the world while criticising it for doing so..... I'd rather you just said 'Thank You' - and went on about your business.... either way - I don't give a damn what you think progressives are entitled to .....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 12:32pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 9:50am: I call it a scam, especially when you have a gun at your head to accept it or else !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y4hecVZ4Rs That's what war is.  Hamas started it - now they will have peace imposed on them since they will not accept it. .... you weep for Hamas and you criticise the troops forced to fight it.... the only reason you can even do that is because you don't know what I know .... Hamas' death, though totally unlamentable on the world stage - SAVES LIVES ....we are in the business of SAVING LIVES .... we use words like peace, forbearance, honour, integrity and respect for human values to uphold something we spend a lifetime defending .. YOU use them as throwaway lines at cocktail parties.....  but deep down inside where you don't want to look - you want Israel on that wall - you NEED Israel on that wall... I have neither the time nor the inclination to argue with someone who sleeps under the very protection Israel provides to the world while criticising it for doing so..... I'd rather you just said 'Thank You' - and went on about your business.... either way - I don't give a damn what you think progressives are entitled to .....

You think so ??

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The two state 'solution' is a scam.
The Muslims will never accept Israel's existence. It is contrary to Islamic docttine. They could have had the two states in 1948. Their only solution has been relentlessly war ever since.

Frank wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 5:39pm:

The two state 'solution' is a scam. The Muslims will never accept Israel's existence. It is contrary to Islamic docttine. They could have had the two states in 1948. Their only solution has been relentlessly war ever since.

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So, is Trump stopping the war in 24 hours?

Lol    ;D

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 6:47pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 5:39pm: The two state 'solution' is a scam. The Muslims will never accept Israel's existence. It is contrary to Islamic docttine. They could have had the two states in 1948. Their only solution has been relentlessly war ever since.

Claudia Webbe, eh?
Who she?

Frank wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 6:56pm:

Claudia Webbe, eh? Who she?

I was wondering too. :-?

I was wondering why Trump lied and said that he ended seven wars, and also lied about being able to stop the Ukrainian war in 24 hours.

I'm wondering why the so-called "President of peace" has intensified existing wars and started new ones.

(cont)  (some of you are):-

15) The United States will work with Arab and international partners to develop a temporary International Stabilisation Force (ISF) to immediately deploy in Gaza. The ISF will train and provide support to vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza, and will consult with Jordan and Egypt, who have extensive experience in this field. This force will be the long-term internal security solution. The ISF will work with Israel and Egypt to help secure border areas, along with newly trained Palestinian police forces. It is critical to prevent munitions from entering Gaza and to facilitate the rapid and secure flow of goods to rebuild and revitalise Gaza. A deconfliction mechanism will be agreed upon by the parties.

16) Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza. As the ISF establishes control and stability, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will withdraw based on standards, milestones, and timeframes linked to demilitarisation that will be agreed upon between the IDF, the ISF, the guarantors, and the United States, with the objective of a secure Gaza that no longer poses a threat to Israel, Egypt, or its citizens. Practically, the IDF will progressively hand over the Gaza territory it occupies to the ISF according to an agreement it will make with the transitional authority until it is withdrawn completely from Gaza, save for a security perimeter presence that will remain until Gaza is properly secure from any resurgent terror threat.

17) In the event Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above, including the scaled-up aid operation, will proceed in the terror-free areas handed over from the IDF to the ISF.

18) An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful coexistence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasising the benefits that can be derived from peace.

19) While Gaza redevelopment advances and when the PA reform programme is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognise as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.

20) The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous coexistence.

Here is the Good Oil:-

1) Gaza will be a deradicalised, terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours.

2) Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza, who have suffered more than enough.

3) If both sides agree to this proposal, the war will immediately end. Israeli forces will withdraw to the agreed-upon line to prepare for a hostage release. During this time, all military operations, including aerial and artillery bombardment, will be suspended, and battle lines will remain frozen until conditions are met for the complete staged withdrawal.

4) Within 72 hours of Israel publicly accepting this agreement, all hostages, alive and deceased, will be returned.

5) Once all hostages are released, Israel will release 250 life-sentence prisoners plus 1,700 Gazans who were detained after October 7 2023, including all women and children detained in that context. For every Israeli hostage whose remains are released, Israel will release the remains of 15 deceased Gazans.

6) Once all hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful coexistence and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to receiving countries.

7) Upon acceptance of this agreement, full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip. At a minimum, aid quantities will be consistent with what was included in the January 19, 2025 agreement regarding humanitarian aid, including rehabilitation of infrastructure (water, electricity, sewage), rehabilitation of hospitals and bakeries, and entry of necessary equipment to remove rubble and open roads.

8) Entry of distribution and aid in the Gaza Strip will proceed without interference from the two parties through the United Nations and its agencies, and the Red Crescent, in addition to other international institutions not associated in any manner with either party. Opening the Rafah crossing in both directions will be subject to the same mechanism implemented under the January 19, 2025 agreement.

9) Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee, responsible for delivering the day-to-day running of public services and municipalities for the people in Gaza. This committee will be made up of qualified Palestinians and international experts, with oversight and supervision by a new international transitional body, the “Board of Peace”, which will be headed and chaired by [US] president Donald J Trump, with other members and heads of state to be announced, including former prime minister Tony Blair.

This body will set the framework and handle the funding for the redevelopment of Gaza until such time as the Palestinian Authority has completed its reform programme, as outlined in various proposals, including President Trump’s peace plan in 2020 and the Saudi-French proposal, and can securely and effectively take back control of Gaza. This body will call on best international standards to create modern and efficient governance that serves the people of Gaza and is conducive to attracting investment.

10) A Trump economic development plan to rebuild and energise Gaza will be created by convening a panel of experts who have helped birth some of the thriving modern miracle cities in the Middle East. Many thoughtful investment proposals and exciting development ideas have been crafted by well-meaning international groups, and will be considered to synthesise the security and governance frameworks to attract and facilitate these investments that will create jobs, opportunity, and hope for future Gaza.

11) A special economic zone will be established with preferred tariff and access rates to be negotiated with participating countries.

12) No one will be forced to leave Gaza, and those who wish to leave will be free to do so and free to return. We will encourage people to stay and offer them the opportunity to build a better Gaza.

13) Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly, indirectly, or in any form. All military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt. There will be a process of demilitarisation of Gaza under the supervision of independent monitors, which will include placing weapons permanently beyond use through an agreed process of decommissioning, and supported by an internationally funded buyback and reintegration programme all verified by the independent monitors. New Gaza will be fully committed to building a prosperous economy and to peaceful coexistence with its neighbours.

14) A guarantee will be provided by regional partners to ensure that Hamas and the factions comply with their obligations and that New Gaza poses no threat to its neighbours or its people.

(cont)....

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17) In the event Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above, including the scaled-up aid operation, will proceed in the terror-free areas handed over from the IDF to the ISF. 18) An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful coexistence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasising the benefits that can be derived from peace. 19) While Gaza redevelopment advances and when the PA reform programme is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognise as the aspiration of the Palestinian people. 20) The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous coexistence.

Another case of "hope triumphs over experience".

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1) Gaza will be a deradicalised, terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours.

All he needs is a magic wand.

freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 9:14am:

Quote: 1) Gaza will be a deradicalised, terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours. All he needs is a magic wand.

And two weeks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhHjACjJjA

Frank wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 12:31am:

Quote: 17) In the event Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above, including the scaled-up aid operation, will proceed in the terror-free areas handed over from the IDF to the ISF. 18) An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful coexistence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasising the benefits that can be derived from peace. 19) While Gaza redevelopment advances and when the PA reform programme is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognise as the aspiration of the Palestinian people. 20) The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous coexistence. Another case of "hope triumphs over experience".

Sounds an awful lot like Vietnam/Vietnamisation and Afghanistan to me... remember Iraq and the police training academy there?  remember what happened to the Afghan national police?

Turn your back on them for five minutes and you are actually encouraging massacres of the very people you think you are relying on to bring order.  It Will Never Happen!

All it will do is give a chance for America to either escalate this war, or pull a cowardly retreat from aid to Israel - and Trump ain't gonna do the latter......

There is only one solution... the extermination of Hamas and all radical Islamists.  Marchons, mes enfants!!  Gird up your loins....

freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 9:14am:

Quote: 1) Gaza will be a deradicalised, terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours. All he needs is a magic wand.

Yes, it's hard not to make Palestinians feel angry or vengeful about being born into a concentration camp, bullied, harassed, imprisoned, deprived, or watching one of their family members being murdered by an apartheid genocidal regime. Yes, definitely will need a magic wand for that :(

As long as they are stuck in intergenerational rage and victimhood, they will have to be closely controlled.

If they want to break out of their own personal hell. The Palestinians will need to drop the victimhood, smile, raise joyful creative children , contribute more then throwing bricks at tanks.

This won't happen whilst the left pander to them

They will need a stern, firm but fair, father figure to guide them

I think the plan is pretty awesome 💯💯

aquascoot wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 1:26pm:

As long as they are stuck in intergenerational rage and victimhood, they will have to be closely controlled. If they want to break out of their own personal hell. The Palestinians will need to drop the victimhood, smile, raise joyful creative children , contribute more then throwing bricks at tanks. This won't happen whilst the left pander to them They will need a stern, firm but fair, father figure to guide them I think the plan is pretty awesome 💯💯

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Your problem is that you unthinkingly equate Israel's strength, and Israel's military victories with aggression. This is often a reasonable assumption if you cannot be bothered looking at a problem any further than that, but it does rely on an assumption you are probably not aware of - that both parties act rationally. No sane, rational group would repeatedly start a war against a far more powerful foe, when they lose every time and end up demonstrably worse off every time. But the people of Gaza are not motivated by self interest and they are not sane and rational. They are motivated by Islam to slaughter Jews. When given a choice at the polls between peace and prosperity and a future for their children vs slaughtering Jews, they chose slaughtering Jews. They are not the perpetual victim. They are the perpetual aggressor. They have been trying to slaughter Jews for generations. The onus is entirely on them to stop the war. If the Palestinians laid down their weapons (and returned the hostages) there would be peace. If the Israelis did, there would be an actual genocide.

freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 1:42pm:

Your problem is that you unthinkingly equate Israel's strength, and Israel's military victories with aggression

no, it's the number of dead civilians, not just during this war but in the decades prior, that did it for me.

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 6:47pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 5:39pm: The two state 'solution' is a scam. The Muslims will never accept Israel's existence. It is contrary to Islamic docttine. They could have had the two states in 1948. Their only solution has been relentlessly war ever since.

You must be a PALESTINIAN you post that much of their propaganda.

John Smith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 1:45pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:42pm: Your problem is that you unthinkingly equate Israel's strength, and Israel's military victories with aggression no, it's the number of dead civilians, not just during this war but in the decades prior, that did it for me.

Any old bullshyte would do it for you.

They've killed more of their own than the Israelis have.

John Smith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 1:45pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:42pm: Your problem is that you unthinkingly equate Israel's strength, and Israel's military victories with aggression no, it's the number of dead civilians, not just during this war but in the decades prior, that did it for me.

So it's not your complete ignorance of war that made up your mind. You just didn't know that civilians die in war?

The people of Gaza are like a junkie that is addicted to war. You can offer them all the help in the world to get over their addiction, but until they make the decision themselves it will not make any difference. You are just another hapless do-gooder making the same mistake that has been made 1000 times before, but expecting a different outcome because you simply cannot conceive of someone else making a different choice to you.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 7:15pm:

I was wondering why Trump lied and said that he ended seven wars, and also lied about being able to stop the Ukrainian war in 24 hours. I'm wondering why the so-called "President of peace" has intensified existing wars and started new ones.

Yes yes yes but you have to be reasonable, after all he won the civil war when our army took all the airports.

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 9:50am:

I call it a scam, especially when you have a gun at your head to accept it or else !!

Hamas would have to reconsider the Jihad thing if they want peace.

Have you read the Hamas covenant?
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp



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Article One: The Islamic Resistance Movement: The Movement's programme is Islam. From it, it draws its ideas, ways of thinking and understanding of the universe, life and man. It resorts to it for judgement in all its conduct, and it is inspired by it for guidance of its steps. Article Six: The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails and schisms and wars will break out. Article Eight: Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.

Why are leftists upset when their loftiest wish is death for the sake of Allah while doing Jihad?

Would it be awkward meeting your relatives in the Islamic afterlife while having an eternal boner?

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freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 1:42pm:

Your problem is that you unthinkingly equate Israel's strength, and Israel's military victories with aggression. This is often a reasonable assumption if you cannot be bothered looking at a problem any further than that, but it does rely on an assumption you are probably not aware of - that both parties act rationally. No sane, rational group would repeatedly start a war against a far more powerful foe, when they lose every time and end up demonstrably worse off every time. But the people of Gaza are not motivated by self interest and they are not sane and rational. They are motivated by Islam to slaughter Jews. When given a choice at the polls between peace and prosperity and a future for their children vs slaughtering Jews, they chose slaughtering Jews. They are not the perpetual victim. They are the perpetual aggressor. They have been trying to slaughter Jews for generations. The onus is entirely on them to stop the war. If the Palestinians laid down their weapons (and returned the hostages) there would be peace. If the Israelis did, there would be an actual genocide.

How strong would they be without the US $4 billion-plus a year in handouts from hardworking US taxpayers? What do US taxpayers get for their investment in a foreign rogue settler colony that engages in genocide against defenseless indigenous people ? Sounds like a bad deal to me :(

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Gnads wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:47pm: Frank wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 5:39pm: The two state 'solution' is a scam. The Muslims will never accept Israel's existence. It is contrary to Islamic docttine. They could have had the two states in 1948. Their only solution has been relentlessly war ever since. You must be a PALESTINIAN you post that much of their propaganda.

And you must be a psychopath ;)

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Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 12:56pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 9:14am: Quote: 1) Gaza will be a deradicalised, terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours. All he needs is a magic wand. Yes, it's hard not to make Palestinians feel angry or vengeful about being born into a concentration camp, bullied, harassed, imprisoned, deprived, or watching one of their family members being murdered by an apartheid genocidal regime. Yes, definitely will need a magic wand for that :(

I hold great respect for you as an individual with morals - but in this case you have spent far too long too deeply immersed in the 'narrative' instead of listening to the urgings of your own mind.

Heed not the propagandists...

aquascoot wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 1:26pm:

As long as they are stuck in intergenerational rage and victimhood, they will have to be closely controlled. If they want to break out of their own personal hell. The Palestinians will need to drop the victimhood, smile, raise joyful creative children , contribute more then throwing bricks at tanks. This won't happen whilst the left pander to them They will need a stern, firm but fair, father figure to guide them I think the plan is pretty awesome 💯💯

As a plan it is awesome - on the ground is another matter. 

To my humble interpretation - in my humble opinion - this is Trump offering the olive branch for the last time....  he started off sounding like he was opposing Benni (and Zellie in Ukraine) and selling them out...... the Black Robes didn't bite on that deal..... so he is offering a New Deal - make peace and all these benefits will flow to you and yours......  WHEN they don't bite on that ... the gloves are off, burned and buried deep.... you've got 72 hours...

So Hamas don't take the bait.... so they all die.  Simple as that.  They must surely never rise again .... and the flow-on effect - the 'trickle-down' - is that EVERY hostile nation in the Middle East gets the message....... and watch that space for a sudden discovery that peaceful ways gain you more than playing the game of death cult.

And all that without wasting a single American Troop ... Trump could be on the verge of the greatest coup in history - making peace in the Middle East.

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 6:53pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:42pm: Your problem is that you unthinkingly equate Israel's strength, and Israel's military victories with aggression. This is often a reasonable assumption if you cannot be bothered looking at a problem any further than that, but it does rely on an assumption you are probably not aware of - that both parties act rationally. No sane, rational group would repeatedly start a war against a far more powerful foe, when they lose every time and end up demonstrably worse off every time. But the people of Gaza are not motivated by self interest and they are not sane and rational. They are motivated by Islam to slaughter Jews. When given a choice at the polls between peace and prosperity and a future for their children vs slaughtering Jews, they chose slaughtering Jews. They are not the perpetual victim. They are the perpetual aggressor. They have been trying to slaughter Jews for generations. The onus is entirely on them to stop the war. If the Palestinians laid down their weapons (and returned the hostages) there would be peace. If the Israelis did, there would be an actual genocide. How strong would they be without the US $4 billion-plus a year in handouts from hardworking US taxpayers? What do US taxpayers get for their investment in a foreign rogue settler colony that engages in genocide against defenseless indigenous people ? Sounds like a bad deal to me :(

The US gets a better world. You do realise that plenty of Islamic terrorists see the US as the number 2 enemy, right after Israel?

But you are missing the point again. That aid does not mean that Israel is the aggressor, or that they are committing genocide. You are letting your emotional hysteria blind you to the facts. No matter how many times you repeat genocide, "defenseless indigenous people" or any other catchphrase, it does not make it true. These are not aborigines sitting around a fire doing a ceremony. They are Islamic militants literally plotting to slaughter Jews. Then carrying out those plots. As soon as Hamas wants peace, they can have it. Hamas is the only organisation standing between the people of Gaza and a future for their children. Even Muslim governments are now acknowledging this.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 8:53pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 12:56pm: freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 9:14am: Quote: 1) Gaza will be a deradicalised, terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours. All he needs is a magic wand. Yes, it's hard not to make Palestinians feel angry or vengeful about being born into a concentration camp, bullied, harassed, imprisoned, deprived, or watching one of their family members being murdered by an apartheid genocidal regime. Yes, definitely will need a magic wand for that :( I hold great respect for you as an individual with morals - but in this case you have spent far too long too deeply immersed in the 'narrative' instead of listening to the urgings of your own mind. Heed not the propagandists...

So you call this "propaganda" do you ? This is why they don't let journalists in or murder the ones that are already there. Who does this kind of sh.t ? :(


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This is what Israel has done to Gaza City in the past 24 hours Israel has systematically bombed homes, residential towers, hospitals, and shelters in Gaza City, killing dozens of Palestinians and forcibly displacing thousands of others. This is what Israel has done in the past 24 hours alone.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-i3LPavtxO4

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 6:57pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:57pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:47pm: Frank wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 5:39pm: The two state 'solution' is a scam. The Muslims will never accept Israel's existence. It is contrary to Islamic docttine. They could have had the two states in 1948. Their only solution has been relentlessly war ever since. You must be a PALESTINIAN you post that much of their propaganda. And you must be a psychopath ;)

No I'm not like you or Palestinians.

This why the terrorist Palestinians/Hamas won't release the hostages.


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Quran: 47.4  So when you meet the disbelievers ˹in battle˺, strike ˹their˺ necks until you have thoroughly subdued them, then bind them firmly. Later ˹free them either as˺ an act of grace or by ransom until the war comes to an end. So will it be. Had Allah willed, He ˹Himself˺ could have inflicted punishment on them. But He does ˹this only to˺ test some of you by means of others. And those who are martyred in the cause of Allah,1 He will never render their deeds void.

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freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 9:04pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 6:53pm: freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:42pm: Your problem is that you unthinkingly equate Israel's strength, and Israel's military victories with aggression. This is often a reasonable assumption if you cannot be bothered looking at a problem any further than that, but it does rely on an assumption you are probably not aware of - that both parties act rationally. No sane, rational group would repeatedly start a war against a far more powerful foe, when they lose every time and end up demonstrably worse off every time. But the people of Gaza are not motivated by self interest and they are not sane and rational. They are motivated by Islam to slaughter Jews. When given a choice at the polls between peace and prosperity and a future for their children vs slaughtering Jews, they chose slaughtering Jews. They are not the perpetual victim. They are the perpetual aggressor. They have been trying to slaughter Jews for generations. The onus is entirely on them to stop the war. If the Palestinians laid down their weapons (and returned the hostages) there would be peace. If the Israelis did, there would be an actual genocide. How strong would they be without the US $4 billion-plus a year in handouts from hardworking US taxpayers? What do US taxpayers get for their investment in a foreign rogue settler colony that engages in genocide against defenseless indigenous people ? Sounds like a bad deal to me :( The US gets a better world. You do realise that plenty of Islamic terrorists see the US as the number 2 enemy, right after Israel? But you are missing the point again. That aid does not mean that Israel is the aggressor, or that they are committing genocide. You are letting your emotional hysteria blind you to the facts. No matter how many times you repeat genocide, "defenseless indigenous people" or any other catchphrase, it does not make it true. These are not aborigines sitting around a fire doing a ceremony. They are Islamic militants literally plotting to slaughter Jews. Then carrying out those plots. As soon as Hamas wants peace, they can have it. Hamas is the only organisation standing between the people of Gaza and a future for their children. Even Muslim governments are now acknowledging this.

Yeh whatever you say bro ;)

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Gnads wrote on Oct 4^th, 2025 at 11:25am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 6:57pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:57pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:47pm: Frank wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 5:39pm: The two state 'solution' is a scam. The Muslims will never accept Israel's existence. It is contrary to Islamic docttine. They could have had the two states in 1948. Their only solution has been relentlessly war ever since. You must be a PALESTINIAN you post that much of their propaganda. And you must be a psychopath ;) No I'm not like you or Palestinians. This why the terrorist Palestinians/Hamas won't release the hostages. Quote: Quran: 47.4  So when you meet the disbelievers ˹in battle˺, strike ˹their˺ necks until you have thoroughly subdued them, then bind them firmly. Later ˹free them either as˺ an act of grace or by ransom until the war comes to an end. So will it be. Had Allah willed, He ˹Himself˺ could have inflicted punishment on them. But He does ˹this only to˺ test some of you by means of others. And those who are martyred in the cause of Allah,1 He will never render their deeds void.

So you follow the old testament then ??


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Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Donald Trump definitely deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.

MattE wrote on Oct 4^th, 2025 at 12:01pm:

Donald Trump definitely deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.

Piece prize.

For being a worthless POS.

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 4^th, 2025 at 11:29am:

freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 9:04pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 6:53pm: freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:42pm: Your problem is that you unthinkingly equate Israel's strength, and Israel's military victories with aggression. This is often a reasonable assumption if you cannot be bothered looking at a problem any further than that, but it does rely on an assumption you are probably not aware of - that both parties act rationally. No sane, rational group would repeatedly start a war against a far more powerful foe, when they lose every time and end up demonstrably worse off every time. But the people of Gaza are not motivated by self interest and they are not sane and rational. They are motivated by Islam to slaughter Jews. When given a choice at the polls between peace and prosperity and a future for their children vs slaughtering Jews, they chose slaughtering Jews. They are not the perpetual victim. They are the perpetual aggressor. They have been trying to slaughter Jews for generations. The onus is entirely on them to stop the war. If the Palestinians laid down their weapons (and returned the hostages) there would be peace. If the Israelis did, there would be an actual genocide. How strong would they be without the US $4 billion-plus a year in handouts from hardworking US taxpayers? What do US taxpayers get for their investment in a foreign rogue settler colony that engages in genocide against defenseless indigenous people ? Sounds like a bad deal to me :( The US gets a better world. You do realise that plenty of Islamic terrorists see the US as the number 2 enemy, right after Israel? But you are missing the point again. That aid does not mean that Israel is the aggressor, or that they are committing genocide. You are letting your emotional hysteria blind you to the facts. No matter how many times you repeat genocide, "defenseless indigenous people" or any other catchphrase, it does not make it true. These are not aborigines sitting around a fire doing a ceremony. They are Islamic militants literally plotting to slaughter Jews. Then carrying out those plots. As soon as Hamas wants peace, they can have it. Hamas is the only organisation standing between the people of Gaza and a future for their children. Even Muslim governments are now acknowledging this. Yeh whatever you say bro ;)

Can you not understand that you are equating Hamas' 'loser' status with 'victim' status? Can you tell the difference?

MattE wrote on Oct 4^th, 2025 at 12:01pm:

Donald Trump definitely deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.

Sat 4 Oct 2025 20.22 AEST:

"Israel-Gaza live: airstrikes reported in Gaza despite Trump’s call for Israel to stop bombing ‘immediately’"

Netanyahu treats Trump the same way the rest of the world does - as a complete and utter joke.

Yes I think that Trump will get the Nobel Peace Prize for his statesmanship and influence.

So, Trump (the adjudicated rapist and convicted felon) tells Netanyahu to stop bombing and what does he do?

He keeps bombing and kills some more children.

Putin and Netanyahu are totally ignoring Trump.

Shehbaz Sharif
@CMShehbaz
I welcome President Trump’s 20-point plan to ensure an end to the war in Gaza.

I am also convinced that durable peace between the Palestinian people and Israel would be essential in bringing political stability and economic growth to the region.

It is also my firm belief that President Trump is fully prepared to assist in whatever way necessary to make this extremely important and urgent understanding to become a reality.

I laud President Trump’s leadership and the vital role played by Special Envoy Steve Witkoff in bringing an end to this war.

I also strongly believe that the implementation of the two state proposal is essential to ensure lasting peace in the region.
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Leaders in Middle East and Europe welcome Trump's Gaza peace plan
5 days ago
Rushdi AbualoufGaza correspondent and
George Wright
Watch: Trump and Netanyahu outline peace plan to end war in Gaza

European and Middle Eastern leaders have welcomed a US peace plan for Gaza, as President Donald Trump warned Hamas to accept it.

The plan, agreed by Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, proposes an immediate end to fighting, the release within 72 hours of 20 living Israeli hostages held by Hamas as well as the remains of the more than two dozen hostages who are believed to be dead - in exchange for hundreds of detained Gazans.

Hamas officials have been given the 20-point plan, a Palestinian source told the BBC.

I was watching Al Jazeera yesterday and saw a report where the journalist was literally walking through what one could only assume to be a market.

Al Jazeera finally uploaded the video:

https://youtu.be/Z_peaKOnU9I

He is literally walking through a market where food is being SOLD. Food which western taxpayers paid for. So much for the famine!

It is not lost on people making comment on the video:

https://i.ibb.co/Wv2YQ51s/Screenshot-20251005-171134.png

Leroy wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 9:30am:

Shehbaz Sharif @CMShehbaz I welcome President Trump’s 20-point plan to ensure an end to the war in Gaza. I am also convinced that durable peace between the Palestinian people and Israel would be essential in bringing political stability and economic growth to the region. It is also my firm belief that President Trump is fully prepared to assist in whatever way necessary to make this extremely important and urgent understanding to become a reality. I laud President Trump’s leadership and the vital role played by Special Envoy Steve Witkoff in bringing an end to this war. I also strongly believe that the implementation of the two state proposal is essential to ensure lasting peace in the region. 10:33 PM · Sep 29, 2025 · 7.3M Views

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Leroy wrote on Oct 4^th, 2025 at 8:48pm:

Yes I think that Trump will get the Nobel Peace Prize for his statesmanship and influence.

Of course he will - just like Obama.

MattE wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 4:54pm:

I was watching Al Jazeera yesterday and saw a report where the journalist was literally walking through what one could only assume to be a market. Al Jazeera finally uploaded the video: https://youtu.be/Z_peaKOnU9I He is literally walking through a market where food is being SOLD. Food which western taxpayers paid for. So much for the famine! It is not lost on people making comment on the video: https://i.ibb.co/Wv2YQ51s/Screenshot-20251005-171134.png

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Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 9:39pm:

MattE wrote on Oct 5th, 2025 at 4:54pm: I was watching Al Jazeera yesterday and saw a report where the journalist was literally walking through what one could only assume to be a market. Al Jazeera finally uploaded the video: https://youtu.be/Z_peaKOnU9I He is literally walking through a market where food is being SOLD. Food which western taxpayers paid for. So much for the famine! It is not lost on people making comment on the video: https://i.ibb.co/Wv2YQ51s/Screenshot-20251005-171134.png

It was Hamas leaders that stripped the Gazans of everything.


Quote:

Hamas leaders worth staggering $11B revel in luxury — while Gaza’s people suffer While their people languish in poverty and are treated as human shields, the leaders of Hamas live billionaire lifestyles. The terror group’s three top leaders alone are worth a staggering total of $11 billion and enjoy a life of luxury in the sanctuary of the emirate of Qatar. The emirate has long welcomed the leaders of the terror group and installed them in its luxury hotels and villas at the same time as it hosts a vast American military presence. Now US Rep. Andy Ogles (R-Tenn.) is sponsoring a bill that would strip Qatar of its status as a key US ally, The Post has learned, unless it kicks out the Hamas leadership. The terrorist group, which is responsible for the antisemitic Oct. 7 massacre of more than 1,400 innocent civilians and soldiers in southern Israel, continues to hold over 200 hostages in Gaza. Hamas runs an office in Qatar’s capital, Doha, and leaders Ismail Haniyeh, Moussa Abu Marzuk and Khaled Mashal maintain a luxurious lifestyle.

I wonder how much of our foreign aid was pilfered by Hamas leaders

I thought Hamas have until 6pm US time to release the 48 hostages or ceasefire is over.

Leroy wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 9:56pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 5th, 2025 at 9:39pm: MattE wrote on Oct 5th, 2025 at 4:54pm: I was watching Al Jazeera yesterday and saw a report where the journalist was literally walking through what one could only assume to be a market. Al Jazeera finally uploaded the video: https://youtu.be/Z_peaKOnU9I He is literally walking through a market where food is being SOLD. Food which western taxpayers paid for. So much for the famine! It is not lost on people making comment on the video: https://i.ibb.co/Wv2YQ51s/Screenshot-20251005-171134.png It was Hamas leaders that stripped the Gazans of everything. Quote: Hamas leaders worth staggering $11B revel in luxury — while Gaza’s people suffer While their people languish in poverty and are treated as human shields, the leaders of Hamas live billionaire lifestyles. The terror group’s three top leaders alone are worth a staggering total of $11 billion and enjoy a life of luxury in the sanctuary of the emirate of Qatar. The emirate has long welcomed the leaders of the terror group and installed them in its luxury hotels and villas at the same time as it hosts a vast American military presence. Now US Rep. Andy Ogles (R-Tenn.) is sponsoring a bill that would strip Qatar of its status as a key US ally, The Post has learned, unless it kicks out the Hamas leadership. The terrorist group, which is responsible for the antisemitic Oct. 7 massacre of more than 1,400 innocent civilians and soldiers in southern Israel, continues to hold over 200 hostages in Gaza. Hamas runs an office in Qatar’s capital, Doha, and leaders Ismail Haniyeh, Moussa Abu Marzuk and Khaled Mashal maintain a luxurious lifestyle.

You sure about that bro ??


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HAMAS WAS FINANCED BY ISRAEL FROM THE BEGINNING In 2019, the current Israeli Prime Minister NETANYAHU told his party's members of the Knesset that “favoring the terrorist group was a torpedo to the creation of a potential Palestinian state in the future.” He also added that “whoever wants to block the creation of a Palestinian state must support the growth of Hamas and transfer money to Hamas. It is part of our strategy: to isolate the Palestinians of Gaza from the Palestinians of the West Bank,” which corroborated suspicions that Hamas was an offspring of Israel controlled by Mossad.

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 6^th, 2025 at 12:32pm:

In 2019, the current Israeli Prime Minister NETANYAHU told his party's members of the Knesset that “favoring the terrorist group was a torpedo to the creation of a potential Palestinian state in the future.”

Do you actually believe that Nail?

Quote:

How can you trust any nation that kills negotiators when they agree a ceasefire and is continuing to escalate the slaughter of civilians, especially women and children, in Gaza at the same time. Israels sense of impunity, its victimhood has clouded the reality that, within two years, zionism has destroyed Israel far more effectively than anything hamas did or could have done in 100 generations.

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freediver wrote on Oct 6^th, 2025 at 12:48pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 6th, 2025 at 12:32pm: In 2019, the current Israeli Prime Minister NETANYAHU told his party's members of the Knesset that “favoring the terrorist group was a torpedo to the creation of a potential Palestinian state in the future.” Do you actually believe that Nail?

Yes prove it wrong then ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 6^th, 2025 at 5:47pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2025 at 12:48pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 6th, 2025 at 12:32pm: In 2019, the current Israeli Prime Minister NETANYAHU told his party's members of the Knesset that “favoring the terrorist group was a torpedo to the creation of a potential Palestinian state in the future.” Do you actually believe that Nail? Yes prove it wrong then ;)

Wow. You really are that gullible.

freediver wrote on Oct 6^th, 2025 at 6:24pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 6th, 2025 at 5:47pm: freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2025 at 12:48pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 6th, 2025 at 12:32pm: In 2019, the current Israeli Prime Minister NETANYAHU told his party's members of the Knesset that “favoring the terrorist group was a torpedo to the creation of a potential Palestinian state in the future.” Do you actually believe that Nail? Yes prove it wrong then ;) Wow. You really are that gullible.

Is that your proof ?? :D LOL

Why would they want to live in that rubble?

Let Trump and other business leaders rebuild it as a seaside resort , and the gazans can get jobs as gardeners and Uber drivers and janitors. 

They can actually do something productive.

The tunnels would make a great metro .

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/559328065_18331299274225010_1459221515204586009_n-1.jpg

aquascoot wrote on Oct 6^th, 2025 at 6:46pm:

Why would they want to live in that rubble? Let Trump and other business leaders rebuild it as a seaside resort , and the gazans can get jobs as gardeners and Uber drivers and janitors.  They can actually do something productive. The tunnels would make a great metro .

There was nothing wrong with it until the Zions destroyed it for no good reason :(

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Leroy wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 9:56pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 5th, 2025 at 9:39pm: MattE wrote on Oct 5th, 2025 at 4:54pm: I was watching Al Jazeera yesterday and saw a report where the journalist was literally walking through what one could only assume to be a market. Al Jazeera finally uploaded the video: https://youtu.be/Z_peaKOnU9I He is literally walking through a market where food is being SOLD. Food which western taxpayers paid for. So much for the famine! It is not lost on people making comment on the video: https://i.ibb.co/Wv2YQ51s/Screenshot-20251005-171134.png It was Hamas leaders that stripped the Gazans of everything. Quote: Hamas leaders worth staggering $11B revel in luxury — while Gaza’s people suffer While their people languish in poverty and are treated as human shields, the leaders of Hamas live billionaire lifestyles. The terror group’s three top leaders alone are worth a staggering total of $11 billion and enjoy a life of luxury in the sanctuary of the emirate of Qatar. The emirate has long welcomed the leaders of the terror group and installed them in its luxury hotels and villas at the same time as it hosts a vast American military presence. Now US Rep. Andy Ogles (R-Tenn.) is sponsoring a bill that would strip Qatar of its status as a key US ally, The Post has learned, unless it kicks out the Hamas leadership. The terrorist group, which is responsible for the antisemitic Oct. 7 massacre of more than 1,400 innocent civilians and soldiers in southern Israel, continues to hold over 200 hostages in Gaza. Hamas runs an office in Qatar’s capital, Doha, and leaders Ismail Haniyeh, Moussa Abu Marzuk and Khaled Mashal maintain a luxurious lifestyle.

All that packaged Western food ... how does that schiessenhole get by without it?

...wie kommt dieses Drecksloch ohne es aus?

Our local Abohamas 'leaders' are all the same - rolling in it...

Frank wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 5:39pm:

The two state 'solution' is a scam. The Muslims will never accept Israel's existence. It is contrary to Islamic docttine. They could have had the two states in 1948. Their only solution has been relentlessly war ever since.

Again - they could have been citizens of Israel and still Arabs and Muslims if they had so chosen... they chose not to... they could have separated into the majority area of the Palestinian Mandate and remained as they were .. they chose not to... they could have remained on good terms with Israel from their new territories and continued to receive free power and such and some of the benefits of Israeli civilisation... they chose not to...

I have lost all time for them.

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 6^th, 2025 at 8:25pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 6th, 2025 at 6:46pm: Why would they want to live in that rubble? Let Trump and other business leaders rebuild it as a seaside resort , and the gazans can get jobs as gardeners and Uber drivers and janitors.  They can actually do something productive. The tunnels would make a great metro . There was nothing wrong with it until the Zions destroyed it for no good reason :(

Invasion, brutal and barbaric murders of innocents, hostages taken and a total war declared - you call that no good reason?

Nail - like Smith - stick to what you know and understand.

Israel has ten million people.... 1200 or so were murdered - they were Jewish, Arab, Muslim and Christian ... Australia has twenty six million people...... if 3000 of them were murdered in an invasion, what would you expect the response of the Australian government ... and the civilised world .... to be?  If the Australian government then sought to rectify the situation by invading that self-declared enemy's territory and rooting out all the evildoers - and was resisted by every citizen of that region - what would you expect its response to be?

If someone murdered my family like that I would hunt them to the ends of the earth..... within each of us is a dark side... it does not augur well to cause it to rise up ...

https://www.facebook.com/reel/802811909060833

Looks promising:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-09/israel-hamas-agree-first-phase-peace-plan/105356144

Israel and Hamas have signed off on the first phase of the US-led Gaza peace plan, which will allow for the return of all hostages, US President Donald Trump has announced.

"The details will be announced later."

A ceasefire has been agreed!

https://i.ibb.co/S7NzfTdG/Gemini-Generated-Image-91kgp791kgp791kg-2.jpg

https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-68f011805f653.jpg

LOL. The last one was the best.

They need one for Greg and Nail, something like Nazi Jews continue the genocide of innocent terrorists and the Jew media covers it up.

BREAKING!!!!

Federal Judge Overturns Trump's Gaza Peace Plan

"Violence has flared again in Gaza overnight as Israeli airstrikes killed at least 50 people, including 22 children."

MattE wrote on Oct 9^th, 2025 at 10:12am:

A ceasefire has been agreed!

"Violence has flared again in Gaza overnight as Israeli airstrikes killed at least 50 people, including 22 children."

That's some good cheerleading there Greg.

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2025 at 8:45pm:

That's some good cheerleading there Greg.

That's Netanyahu's genocide continuing, exactly as I predicted.

He is, once again, targeting children.

You're defending one of the biggest monsters of the 21st century.

"Violence has flared again in Gaza overnight as Israeli airstrikes killed at least 50 people, including 22 children."

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29^th, 2025 at 6:41pm:

MattE wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 10:12am: A ceasefire has been agreed! "Violence has flared again in Gaza overnight as Israeli airstrikes killed at least 50 people, including 22 children."

Innocent kids in Gaza eh?

Leftists didn't care when they were doing this

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Only Islamophobes would say this is wrong

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The usual suspects, cheering on the slaughter of children.

Just as they cheer on rapists and paedophiles.