I fully support Palestine becoming a sovereign state of its own and for the Palestinian people to determine their own fate and to govern themselves without outside influence. But not now - not yet, at least. Not until every hostage taken by Hamas terrorists is released. Not until Hamas is disbanded and disarmed. There can be no rewards for Hamas, and that's what Albanese's misguided, symbolic recognition does. Nothing more. It is a colossal foreign policy failure by the Albanese government and brings shame to Australia as a whole.

Having said that, I disagree with the ongoing action by Israel. They can't keep going until Gaza is just rubble. I agree they have been pushed way too many times by Hamas and the attack by Hamas on Israel that killed 1200 and saw over 100 hostages taken was just wrong in no uncertain terms. But I do think Israel is going way too far now.

I agree. It's about time the Palestinians got their poo together and formed a functioning state. No point "recognising" a nation that does not exist, other than as a hole in the map. It took the Israelis a few weeks. Not sure why the Palestinians need a few generations.

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:20pm:

I agree. It's about time the Palestinians got their poo together and formed a functioning state. No point "recognising" a nation that does not exist, other than as a hole in the map. It took the Israelis a few weeks. Not sure why the Palestinians need a few generations.

The problem is Hamas refusing to give up power. Abbas has little to no power over Gaza.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:39pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 22nd, 2025 at 1:20pm: I agree. It's about time the Palestinians got their poo together and formed a functioning state. No point "recognising" a nation that does not exist, other than as a hole in the map. It took the Israelis a few weeks. Not sure why the Palestinians need a few generations. The problem is Hamas refusing to give up power. Abbas has little to no power over Gaza.

Yes. The Israelis have been pretty slack. They should all be long given up by now.

But that is not the ultimate problem. The people of Gaza still support Hamas. So whoever replaced Hamas would just be another version of the same thing. No-one with an interest in building a functioning state wants to, and is capable of, ruling the Palestinian people. If such a group did exist they would have been handed the keys long ago.

Israel has no interest in confirming its own borders, nevermind those of a Palestinian state, as the original mission of Israel's establishment is not yet complete, being: the establishment of Israel across the entirety of the ancient Jewish regions.

Parts of those regions, many occupied by Israel, but not already incorporated into the Israeli state (a state which includes East Jerusalem, which, under international law, Israel illegally annexed) are claimed as Palestinian territory by Palestinians and the UN.

Are you offering us an excuse for why the Palestinians still have not established a functioning state, after several generations of a power vacuum? Do you think they are waiting on the paperwork from Israel?

Will the Palestinians, living in Israel, move to Palestine?

lee wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 3:51pm:

Will the Palestinians, living in Israel, move to Palestine?

Shouldn’t they be free to decide?

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 3:45pm:

Are you offering us an excuse for why the Palestinians still have not established a functioning state, after several generations of a power vacuum? Do you think they are waiting on the paperwork from Israel?

Paperwork that would never arrive anyway.

Israel intends to complete its mission regardless of Palestinian readiness, the offer of peace treaties with all the Arab states, or international pressure... if it had already completed its state mission, it would have already confirmed its borders regardless of Palestinian unreadiness, continued non-recognition from the holdout Arab states or international pressure.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 4:20pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 22nd, 2025 at 3:45pm: Are you offering us an excuse for why the Palestinians still have not established a functioning state, after several generations of a power vacuum? Do you think they are waiting on the paperwork from Israel? Paperwork that would never arrive anyway. Israel intends to complete its mission regardless of Palestinian readiness, the offer of peace treaties with all the Arab states, or international pressure... if it had already completed its state mission, it would have already confirmed its borders regardless of Palestinian unreadiness, continued non-recognition from the holdout Arab states or international pressure.

How long do you think those cunning Jews will wait until they do what you say they have been planning all along?

And do you think this has anything at all to do with the inability of the Palestinians to form a functioning state? Do you think they are in on the plan? Or do you just like talking about scheming Jews?

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 4:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 22nd, 2025 at 4:20pm: freediver wrote on Sep 22nd, 2025 at 3:45pm: Are you offering us an excuse for why the Palestinians still have not established a functioning state, after several generations of a power vacuum? Do you think they are waiting on the paperwork from Israel? Paperwork that would never arrive anyway. Israel intends to complete its mission regardless of Palestinian readiness, the offer of peace treaties with all the Arab states, or international pressure... if it had already completed its state mission, it would have already confirmed its borders regardless of Palestinian unreadiness, continued non-recognition from the holdout Arab states or international pressure. How long do you think those cunning Jews will wait until they do what you say they have been planning all along? And do you think this has anything at all to do with the inability of the Palestinians to form a functioning state? Do you think they are in on the plan? Or do you just like talking about scheming Jews?

Jews have waited 2000 years for this opportunity... they've gone 80 years without confirming or declaring Israel's border, while bacon-slicing unincorporated territories over time, occasionally strategically withdrawing from land they don't intend to annex, while infiltrating others with settlers...

In the last 40 years, Israel has annexed East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights...

The West Bank (known to Israelis as Judea and Samaria) will be next.

Do you think this has anything at all to do with the inability of the Palestinians to form a functioning state? Do you think they are in on the plan? Or do you just like talking about scheming Jews?

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:11pm:

Do you think this has anything at all to do with the inability of the Palestinians to form a functioning state? Do you think they are in on the plan? Or do you just like talking about scheming Jews?

More jibberish from the monkey.

That's what the topic of this thread is Meister. Can you simply not stop yourself talking about scheming Jews? Or do you think it is somehow relevant?

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:17pm:

That's what the topic of this thread is Meister. Can you simply not stop yourself talking about scheming Jews? Or do you think it is somehow relevant?

Unfortunately for you, you debate with the bad faith of a teenage girl.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:21pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 22nd, 2025 at 8:17pm: That's what the topic of this thread is Meister. Can you simply not stop yourself talking about scheming Jews? Or do you think it is somehow relevant? Unfortunately for you, you debate with the bad faith of a teenage girl.

Are you scared to say why you think your blathering about scheming Jews is relevant, in case I say something in "bad faith"?

Australian recognition of Palestinian state?


It won't make any difference -

Bibi said today that he wouldn't allow it.

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 22nd, 2025 at 1:39pm: freediver wrote on Sep 22nd, 2025 at 1:20pm: I agree. It's about time the Palestinians got their poo together and formed a functioning state. No point "recognising" a nation that does not exist, other than as a hole in the map. It took the Israelis a few weeks. Not sure why the Palestinians need a few generations. The problem is Hamas refusing to give up power. Abbas has little to no power over Gaza. Yes. The Israelis have been pretty slack. They should all be long given up by now. But that is not the ultimate problem. The people of Gaza still support Hamas. So whoever replaced Hamas would just be another version of the same thing. No-one with an interest in building a functioning state wants to, and is capable of, ruling the Palestinian people. If such a group did exist they would have been handed the keys long ago.

I don't believe they do. Hamas rules Gaza with an iron fist. They execute anyone who they even suspect of not abiding by their ways. They steal aid supplies meant for ordinary Gaza citizens and use innocent people of Gaza as human shields by placing weapons caches and safe houses under hospitals and schools and apartment buildings in the hopes that they will not be struck by the IDF. I don't believe the people of Gaza want to live under Hamas rule. I think they are just so fed up with the death and violence that they just want to live in peace. But that is at odds with Hamas' primary aim - the destruction of Israel. As long as Hamas has its weapons and power there will be no peace and ordinary Gaza civilians will continue to die and starve and suffer.

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 22nd, 2025 at 8:21pm: freediver wrote on Sep 22nd, 2025 at 8:17pm: That's what the topic of this thread is Meister. Can you simply not stop yourself talking about scheming Jews? Or do you think it is somehow relevant? Unfortunately for you, you debate with the bad faith of a teenage girl. Are you scared to say why you think your blathering about scheming Jews is relevant, in case I say something in "bad faith"?

QED.

You're up that tree again... Jibberish as always.

You should partner up with an organ grinder.

Might as well recognise the Islamic State and Al Qaeda and the Islamic Ummah.

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:20pm:

I agree. It's about time the Palestinians got their poo together and formed a functioning state. No point "recognising" a nation that does not exist, other than as a hole in the map. It took the Israelis a few weeks. Not sure why the Palestinians need a few generations.

They are not interested in creating a functioning state. Too much hard, boring work and admin.
Jihad and Intifada, glorious suicide bombings for the heavenly whorehouse is all they are interested in.

150 other countries think the same thing  ::)

We have given over $130 million of Taxpayers money to Palestine since Hamas started this war by breaking previous ceasefire.

If we don't recognise Palestine who have we been giving our taxpayers money to?

Gaza held a free election nearly 2 decades ago everyone knew they governed Gaza.

Eden Alexander who was last hostage in Gaza was released recently fyi

LNP never again wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 12:00am:

Eden Alexander who was last hostage in Gaza was released recently fyi

There are still 48 hostages held by Hamas in Gaza ya dopey dim wit.

Why is Albo rewarding Hamas for holding people hostage?

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 9:55pm:

We have given over $130 million of Taxpayers money to Palestine since Hamas started this war by breaking previous ceasefire. If we don't recognise Palestine who have we been giving our taxpayers money to? Gaza held a free election nearly 2 decades ago everyone knew they governed Gaza.

It was not a free election. Even the U.N. says so - Hamas corrupted the election in their favour.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 6:14am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 22nd, 2025 at 9:55pm: We have given over $130 million of Taxpayers money to Palestine since Hamas started this war by breaking previous ceasefire. If we don't recognise Palestine who have we been giving our taxpayers money to? Gaza held a free election nearly 2 decades ago everyone knew they governed Gaza. It was not a free election. Even the U.N. says so - Hamas corrupted the election in their favour.

So Palestinians were given the opportunity for self-determination too soon.
They were not ready then, they are not ready now.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:41pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 22nd, 2025 at 1:57pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 22nd, 2025 at 1:39pm: freediver wrote on Sep 22nd, 2025 at 1:20pm: I agree. It's about time the Palestinians got their poo together and formed a functioning state. No point "recognising" a nation that does not exist, other than as a hole in the map. It took the Israelis a few weeks. Not sure why the Palestinians need a few generations. The problem is Hamas refusing to give up power. Abbas has little to no power over Gaza. Yes. The Israelis have been pretty slack. They should all be long given up by now. But that is not the ultimate problem. The people of Gaza still support Hamas. So whoever replaced Hamas would just be another version of the same thing. No-one with an interest in building a functioning state wants to, and is capable of, ruling the Palestinian people. If such a group did exist they would have been handed the keys long ago. I don't believe they do. Hamas rules Gaza with an iron fist. They execute anyone who they even suspect of not abiding by their ways. They steal aid supplies meant for ordinary Gaza citizens and use innocent people of Gaza as human shields by placing weapons caches and safe houses under hospitals and schools and apartment buildings in the hopes that they will not be struck by the IDF. I don't believe the people of Gaza want to live under Hamas rule. I think they are just so fed up with the death and violence that they just want to live in peace. But that is at odds with Hamas' primary aim - the destruction of Israel. As long as Hamas has its weapons and power there will be no peace and ordinary Gaza civilians will continue to die and starve and suffer.

Hamas were elected, because Fatah was seeking peace with Israel and the establishment of a conventional (ie, functioning) state. Hamas wanted war. The people of Gaza wanted war. Every opinion poll taken since clearly shows that the people of Gaza still support Hamas and still support war with Israel. Maybe it has changed as a result of the current war. I doubt it. When they say they welcome death, they mean it.

With the exception of the constant stream of racist, Jew-hating propaganda (which Meister cannot help flood every thread with), Hamas is not running a propaganda campaign as most tyrannical regimes would. They have a religious imperative. They are on a mission from God, and they want the residents of Gaza to know what they are up to, which they do, and they welcome it. There is no confusion or ignorance in Gaza as to what living under Hamas means - more war.

freediver wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 8:22am:

With the exception of the constant stream of racist, Jew-hating propaganda (which Meister cannot help flood every thread with)

See, this is why you're like a masturbating shunned monkey in a tree, spewing jibberish.

My reference to Jew-hate calls it out, not propagates it.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 6:14am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 22nd, 2025 at 9:55pm: We have given over $130 million of Taxpayers money to Palestine since Hamas started this war by breaking previous ceasefire. If we don't recognise Palestine who have we been giving our taxpayers money to? Gaza held a free election nearly 2 decades ago everyone knew they governed Gaza. It was not a free election. Even the U.N. says so - Hamas corrupted the election in their favour.

As hamas says

" we will always defeat the Jews because they love life and we love death".

And it's true.

They vibe with it.
They love their suffering.
The Palestinians are the gold medallists at the victim Olympics.
It defines them
It's in their DNA

It's their culture.
Their emotional set point.

Seriously go and listen to Sam Harris ( a very honest intellectual) and some of the recordings of hamas fighters to their parents as they massacred Jews women and children.

The joy in the parents voices
The pride that their son was martyring himself.
The bonding over death and suffering.

They are a cancer and a death cult which must be rooted out.

Surgeon Netanyahu can't just chip away at this cancer.

Every node. Every cell must be purged from the body.
Gaza must be subjected to radiotherapy,  chemotherapy. The scalpel. Cold hard steel.

Till everything is cleansed of this abhorrent cell lineage.

Only then can healing occur.

Carry on noble Jewish medical team.
Save the patient from this evil cancer

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 8:35am:

freediver wrote on Sep 23rd, 2025 at 8:22am: With the exception of the constant stream of racist, Jew-hating propaganda (which Meister cannot help flood every thread with) See, this is why you're like a masturbating shunned monkey in a tree, spewing jibberish. My reference to Jew-hate calls it out, not propagates it.

Good god!  The masturbating bonobos again!!!  Such injections into civilised discussion are  of negative worth and are unbecoming of any civilised person.. don't allow the cracks in your persona to develop - patch them quickly and seek permanent repairs...

That settled - Nazi/Jew-hating is as Nazi/Jew-hating does, suh ... the lines between realities are often blurred and people sometimes, like Good Germans, say things in all seriousness that are intrinsically evil.  It's a bit like Charlie Kirk lamenting the inevitability of a limited number of gun deaths due to a right to ownership (by appropriate citizens - you cannot control gun ownership of criminals), and that coming out as a cold and hard comment on the actual deaths.  It's not the same, but emotive thinking creates of it something different, and we humans are prone to emotional thinking - it's a defence mechanism created by our need to interpret the world through 'feelings' (you see where that can lead some these days) ...

Just be careful of your use of language...

Now what exactly did you say this time to get this one off on the wrong foot?

Quote:

Australian recognition of Palestinian state

Only decades overdue.

LNP never again wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 9:49pm:

150 other countries think the same thing  ::)

Are you sure that is 'thinking'?  It's more like posturing and gesturing and imagining that by going down this path they are appearing to be statespersons - when the reality is they are betraying humanity like the Good Politicians they are in reality - so far out of touch and so deeply immersed in the woke cultures of today that they are literally drowned people, drowned in their own self-delusion.

Sweet-talking and coddling Hamas will not stop them murdering innocents in the most vile ways possible, inclouding killing their own people via the most ludicrous of styles of jurisprudence - Ahmed is denounced - Ahmed cops a bullet ... and Israel is doing the handyman's work for the world in taking out the garbage.... and not one of these posturing politicians gives a damn what the cost is in human and sub-human lives (sic) - as long as it is not being borne by them and their countries.....

Meanwhile, back at the ranch ....... 'certain ethnic group' crime and vile offences (of the sub-human kind) against women etc are rising and rising... under the tutelage of these self-same posturing politicians who have literally permitted silent invasions against their own people - but not, of course, against themselves in their ivory towers....

The future cleansings will not be like the frankly insane and without merit attacks on hard-working and peaceful Jews - they will be to remove cancers from the breast of societies at large.

https://i.imgur.com/2XQT6tr.jpeg

I too believe in a two state solution but I don’t believe it will happen in my lifetime or my daughters daughter’s.

What I believe has happened here is Hamas has achieved  one of its goals.
It has easily wedged  weak western governments with a  Muslim minority but very vocal and violent bent into forcing Albo to be “ seen “ to do something for their  complaints.

France, Canada, the same.

But because it’s just knee jerk vote buying rhetoric I feel it will actually make everything worse.

🇮🇱 Israel if pressed and actually could care will simply go on a massive land grab before boarders are drawn up.

Hamas will remain in control, both sides will become even more aggressive and the cycle will not only continue but become even worse.

Simply because a little man from a little country chooses to represent the tiny minority of his tiny population in an effort to gain votes and puff his cheeks out talking rubbish in the U.N.

I appreciate our government fascination with the  Hamas vs Israel war is what they believe will gain them more votes than supporting Ukrainian independence against Russia let alone daring to have an opinion on china aggression towards its Asia neighbours but it all amounts to nothing, zero.

Do anyone else see and understand that what tiny, down under which makes nothing ( other than coffee and sandwiches) isn’t taken even remotely seriously in middle eastern conflict?

Yes Albo has won a few hundred Muslim votes by his efforts and distracting the topic away from the cost of living crisis, the housing crisis and of course our own lack of defence treaties with our nearest neighbours but in no way did his little U.N. Stunt do anything to help either side involved in the conflict on the other side of world.

May very well have made it all the worse.

Little leaders would do better to continue to try and achieve something relevant for their own country and stick to playing in the shallow end of the pool.

I suggest until Albo can show his ability to deal with our own domestic issues his well out of his mental reach talking about international issues.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 11:02am:

Quote: Australian recognition of Palestinian state Only decades overdue.

You should head on over - you're such an ass. ::)

https://youtu.be/ithQnu0AwnY?si=2ftS3tTHPPK-Yilr

Well, of course Albo is "safe as houses" at the moment. A massive dominance in the House of Reps, an opposition in turmoil ...

and yet, and yet ....

Two massive failures stand out.

The Voice failure and now: Pro Palestinian support and failure to stem the rise of Anti-Semitic sentiment in Oz.

Two major failures.

It won't happen overnight, but it will happen. Albo will be deposed from within somewhere down the track.

Who will it be?

Arabia for Arabs.

Ukraine for Russia.
Palestine for Israel.
Australia for China.
Die for the emperor.

tallowood wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 11:19am:

Arabia for Arabs.

Muslims for Medina...

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 10:40am:

Well, of course Albo is "safe as houses" at the moment. A massive dominance in the House of Reps, an opposition in turmoil ... and yet, and yet .... Two massive failures stand out. The Voice failure and now: Pro Palestinian support and failure to stem the rise of Anti-Semitic sentiment in Oz. Two major failures. It won't happen overnight, but it will happen. Albo will be deposed from within somewhere down the track. Who will it be?

It doesn't matter who it is - none of them are worth the trouble.  they might try some dopey sheila again to try to make out they are progressive in reality - but we all know wher that has lead the west to dat - downhill all the way.

Women brought NOTHING of value to australia to the table - just more grift and self-entitlement and disruption and outright violence against men, boys and families in pursuit of their stupid idea that by whinging about everythng they will be handed all the best spots - which sadly has been happening for far too long.

Look round you at feminised Australia... it's on the rocks in every way - and you fools continue to support that madness.

I wonder how the LBGTQ+ crowd feel about Australia recognizing a government that believes they should be killed, must be time to get protesting again.

'In Palestine, gay rights are very limited, with a significant legal split: same-sex acts are illegal and punishable by up to 10 years in prison in Gaza (under old British Mandate law), while in the West Bank, they are technically legal under the Jordanian Penal Code'.
No poms are poofs and are thrown off Bondi cliffs by cops.

In Palestine, I think it is more important to recognise their right to live / exist, rather than rights for different sexuality.   The recognition of Palestine as a state, is also a recognition of human right of existence for the Palestinian people.  Something that many in this forum does not believe. 

Well besides dictatorships in the Arab world, every other Arab nations refuses to  recognise a ghetto of Terrorism

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 10:30am:

In Palestine, I think it is more important to recognise their right to live / exist, rather than rights for different sexuality.   The recognition of Palestine as a state, is also a recognition of human right of existence for the Palestinian people.  Something that many in this forum does not believe.

Which is more important here, Australia or Hamas recognizing human right of existence for the Palestinian people. You think many on this forum do not believe it but don't care that Hamas don't believe it.

Leroy wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 10:38am:

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 10:30am: In Palestine, I think it is more important to recognise their right to live / exist, rather than rights for different sexuality.   The recognition of Palestine as a state, is also a recognition of human right of existence for the Palestinian people.  Something that many in this forum does not believe.  Which is more important here, Australia or Hamas recognizing human right of existence for the Palestinian people. You think many on this forum do not believe it but don't care that Hamas don't believe it.

Do you mean in order of priority?  Then in which case there are many issues in Australia that deserve more attention and are alot more important. 

Leftism has brought in human rights of prisoners in our goals over that of the rights of the public people.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 12:52pm:

I fully support Palestine becoming a sovereign state of its own and for the Palestinian people to determine their own fate and to govern themselves without outside influence. But not now - not yet, at least. Not until every hostage taken by Hamas terrorists is released. Not until Hamas is disbanded and disarmed. There can be no rewards for Hamas, and that's what Albanese's misguided, symbolic recognition does. Nothing more. It is a colossal foreign policy failure by the Albanese government and brings shame to Australia as a whole. Having said that, I disagree with the ongoing action by Israel. They can't keep going until Gaza is just rubble. I agree they have been pushed way too many times by Hamas and the attack by Hamas on Israel that killed 1200 and saw over 100 hostages taken was just wrong in no uncertain terms. But I do think Israel is going way too far now.

That makes two of us

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 12:52pm:

I fully support Palestine becoming a sovereign state of its own and for the Palestinian people to determine their own fate and to govern themselves without outside influence. But not now - not yet, at least. Not until every hostage taken by Hamas terrorists is released. Not until Hamas is disbanded and disarmed. There can be no rewards for Hamas, and that's what Albanese's misguided, symbolic recognition does. Nothing more. It is a colossal foreign policy failure by the Albanese government and brings shame to Australia as a whole. Having said that, I disagree with the ongoing action by Israel. They can't keep going until Gaza is just rubble. I agree they have been pushed way too many times by Hamas and the attack by Hamas on Israel that killed 1200 and saw over 100 hostages taken was just wrong in no uncertain terms. But I do think Israel is going way too far now.

Your errors:

1. Every hostage has been returned, except for one of the bodies buried under the rubble of Gaza whose remains are impossible to locate.

2. Hamas was created out of the UN's failure (post the '67 war) to finally end the conflict as proposed and adopted by UN res 242, a failure caused by Israel's determination, backed the US's veto in the UNSC,  to torpedo UN res 242. 

eg Israel never intended, inter alia,  to accept the envisioned  division of Jerusalem, during the Camp David peace accords in the 80s and 90s; indeed a Jewish fundamentalist murdered his own peace-seeking PM (Rabin), citing OT "Promised Land" mythology.

3. Hamas, now much reduced and despised even by many Gazans for having created the present terrible conditions in Gaza,  COULD easily be neutralised by the US (ie Trump), and the whole world would assist Fatah to govern a functioning Palestinian state as conceived in UN 181; but with Netanyahu openly rejecting a Palestinian state, the US is looking the other way....while Trump is too distracted by the Epstein files, Maduro, Ukraine, and his falling poll numbers at home. 

4. It's true that mere recognition by Albo doesn't create the Palestinian state, but it at least demonstrates to Oz Muslims that he supports Muslim claims to their Palestinian state, which is important to avoid  social conflict in Oz at this time of heightened passions on all sides. That an IS fundamentalist (the mirror image of the Jew fundamentlist)  committed the murders at Bondi is tragedy, but nothing to do with Albo.

Far from "rewarding Hamas for terrorism", Albo is pushing back against the Conservatives  who say they support 2 states - but only on Israel's terms. 

News flash: the UNSC should set the terms for peace, not Netanyahu.

Your one correct statement: " I do think Israel is going way too far now".

Indeed,  but don't expect a hearing from Netanyahu who seems to think Jews are "Chosen People" who don't have to abide by UN resolutions. 

Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year.

But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years
Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents.
Truly evil.

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year. But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents. Truly evil.

More hate speech, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 12:52pm:

I fully support Palestine becoming a sovereign state of its own and for the Palestinian people to determine their own fate and to govern themselves without outside influence. But not now - not yet, at least. Not until every hostage taken by Hamas terrorists is released. Not until Hamas is disbanded and disarmed. There can be no rewards for Hamas, and that's what Albanese's misguided, symbolic recognition does. Nothing more. It is a colossal foreign policy failure by the Albanese government and brings shame to Australia as a whole. Having said that, I disagree with the ongoing action by Israel. They can't keep going until Gaza is just rubble. I agree they have been pushed way too many times by Hamas and the attack by Hamas on Israel that killed 1200 and saw over 100 hostages taken was just wrong in no uncertain terms. But I do think Israel is going way too far now.

You fully support weaponising a state of people who's only goal is to kill anyone of Israel and anyone who gets in their way. A state of people, even under the PLO, who refused to concede anything, but gladly took all concessions offered to them and never accepted Peace from their half to just respond "Death to Jews & Israel !"

You are mad ArmchairPolitician.
You couldn't spot a murderer climbing through your bedroom window even with the lights on. ::)

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year. But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents. Truly evil.

Rubbish ! The first ceasefire agreement back in March, with Hamas releasing the hostages in an orderly manner, was thwarted when Netanyahu decided to continue on with his murderous campaign so that he could stay out of jail. Don't you remember, or were you too busy listening to sky news ??

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year. But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents. Truly evil.

yes - Hamas members slept well every night deep underground in tunnels -
some 100 metres deep - they had little kitchens with a sink, running water
and electric stoves and kettles - nice food, the lion's share -
they had showers and toilets,
a nice mattress to sleep on -

while the woman and children were bombed and killed on the surface.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:11pm: Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year. But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents. Truly evil. yes - Hamas members slept well every night deep underground in tunnels - some 100 metres deep - they had little kitchens with a sink, running water and electric stoves and kettles - nice food, the lion's share - they had showers and toilets, a nice mattress to sleep on - while the woman and children were bombed and killed on the surface.

How tragic that the left support these selfish scum

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year.

Are you going to make me lauugh by claiming if Hamas HAD released the hostages by Christmas, Israel would have stopped annexing the WB which has been ongoing since the '67 war? ?


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But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years

Your error, namely:  "There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians"; the civilians are divided, and some despise Hamas.

Just as Muslims in Oz are divided (indeed the 'hero of Bondi' is a Muslim) as well as the entire nation being divided along L-R political lines: the RW only make out they support a 2 state solution, ie it must meet  Israel's conditions. 


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Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents. Truly evil.

Sacrifice mostly at the hands of the obliging IDF...which has earned Netanyahu an invitation from the ICC. 

Jasin wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:52pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 22nd, 2025 at 12:52pm: I fully support Palestine becoming a sovereign state of its own and for the Palestinian people to determine their own fate and to govern themselves without outside influence. But not now - not yet, at least. Not until every hostage taken by Hamas terrorists is released. Not until Hamas is disbanded and disarmed. There can be no rewards for Hamas, and that's what Albanese's misguided, symbolic recognition does. Nothing more. It is a colossal foreign policy failure by the Albanese government and brings shame to Australia as a whole. Having said that, I disagree with the ongoing action by Israel. They can't keep going until Gaza is just rubble. I agree they have been pushed way too many times by Hamas and the attack by Hamas on Israel that killed 1200 and saw over 100 hostages taken was just wrong in no uncertain terms. But I do think Israel is going way too far now. You fully support weaponising a state of people who's only goal is to kill anyone of Israel and anyone who gets in their way. A state of people, even under the PLO, who refused to concede anything, but gladly took all concessions offered to them and never accepted Peace from their half to just respond "Death to Jews & Israel !" You are mad ArmchairPolitician. You couldn't spot a murderer climbing through your bedroom window even with the lights on. ::)

Cop that AP, you made the mistake of saying   "I do think Israel is going way too far now."

You "anti-semite" .....

Bobby. wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:11pm: Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year. But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents. Truly evil. yes - Hamas members slept well every night deep underground in tunnels - some 100 metres deep - they had little kitchens with a sink, running water and electric stoves and kettles - nice food, the lion's share - they had showers and toilets, a nice mattress to sleep on - while the woman and children were bombed and killed on the surface.

Hamas didn't build any bomb shelters for civilians they did build underground shelters for themselves.

We have been giving Palestine over $30 million a year of taxpayers money for decades.
If we didn't recognise Palestine before Albos grovelling who were we giving that money to?

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:11pm: Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year. But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents. Truly evil. Rubbish ! The first ceasefire agreement back in March, with Hamas releasing the hostages in an orderly manner, was thwarted when Netanyahu decided to continue on with his murderous campaign so that he could stay out of jail. Don't you remember, or were you too busy listening to sky news ??

That's indeed a problem: Sky News are as 'evil' as the Muslim preacher whose prayer house was shut down by the Muslim mayor of a Western Sydney council today.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 6:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 4:57pm: Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:11pm: Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year. But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents. Truly evil. yes - Hamas members slept well every night deep underground in tunnels - some 100 metres deep - they had little kitchens with a sink, running water and electric stoves and kettles - nice food, the lion's share - they had showers and toilets, a nice mattress to sleep on - while the woman and children were bombed and killed on the surface. Hamas didn't build any bomb shelters for civilians they did build underground shelters for themselves.

Good point.


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We have been giving Palestine over $30 million a year of taxpayers money for decades.

Because Oz wanted to support Palestinians living in the largest open air prison in the world ie Gaza and the occupied WB.


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If we didn't recognise Palestine before Albos grovelling who were we giving that money to?

See above.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 6:11pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 6:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 4:57pm: Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:11pm: Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year. But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents. Truly evil. yes - Hamas members slept well every night deep underground in tunnels - some 100 metres deep - they had little kitchens with a sink, running water and electric stoves and kettles - nice food, the lion's share - they had showers and toilets, a nice mattress to sleep on - while the woman and children were bombed and killed on the surface. Hamas didn't build any bomb shelters for civilians they did build underground shelters for themselves. Good point. Quote: We have been giving Palestine over $30 million a year of taxpayers money for decades. Because Oz wanted to support Palestinians living in the largest open air prison in the world ie Gaza and the occupied WB.

Hamas said they didn't build bomb shelters for Gazans because the UN should protect them.

It's a myth Gaza was an open air prison gullible idiots like you fall for that slogan hook line and sinker.

Have a look at the videos Gazans are posting of their life in luxury before Oct 7th and what happened to their homes after.

Egypt has a border with Gaza their wall closing Gaza off is far more secure than Israeli wall.

Why do gullible antisemitic idiots like you ignore the fact Egypt has a shoot to kill policy with Gazans trying to enter Egypt?


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Egyptian Atheist @egy_atheist After the fall of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Egyptian military implemented a strict “shoot-to-kill” policy toward Palestinians attempting to cross their border illegally. https://x.com/egy_atheist/status/1882412984716394540

Video of Egypt shooting a Gazan dead for trying to cross into Egypt and idiots like you ignore the border between Egypt and Gaza to say Joos bad.

Egypt controlled Gaza from 1948-1967 they know exactly what happens there.

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:11pm: Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year. But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents. Truly evil. Rubbish ! The first ceasefire agreement back in March, with Hamas releasing the hostages in an orderly manner, was thwarted when Netanyahu decided to continue on with his murderous campaign so that he could stay out of jail. Don't you remember, or were you too busy listening to sky news ??

**** your 'orderly manner', terrorist scum. You are not dictating term, you bastards, after what you have done.

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 7:34pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 4:57pm: Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:11pm: Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year. But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents. Truly evil. Rubbish ! The first ceasefire agreement back in March, with Hamas releasing the hostages in an orderly manner, was thwarted when Netanyahu decided to continue on with his murderous campaign so that he could stay out of jail. Don't you remember, or were you too busy listening to sky news ?? **** your 'orderly manner', terrorist scum. You are not dictating term, you bastards, after what you have done.

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Personal criticism Do not post personal criticism of other members. Do not respond to personal criticism of yourself or other members. This is the biggest problem on OzPolitic. Too many members are easily baited into off-topic personal exchanges. If you participate in any kind of flame war you will be suspended, regardless of who started it or who you think ‘deserved it’.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 8:34pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 7:34pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 4:57pm: Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:11pm: Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year. But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents. Truly evil. Rubbish ! The first ceasefire agreement back in March, with Hamas releasing the hostages in an orderly manner, was thwarted when Netanyahu decided to continue on with his murderous campaign so that he could stay out of jail. Don't you remember, or were you too busy listening to sky news ?? **** your 'orderly manner', terrorist scum. You are not dictating term, you bastards, after what you have done. Quote: Personal criticism Do not post personal criticism of other members. Do not respond to personal criticism of yourself or other members. This is the biggest problem on OzPolitic. Too many members are easily baited into off-topic personal exchanges. If you participate in any kind of flame war you will be suspended, regardless of who started it or who you think ‘deserved it’. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You are going to post this for another 300 times. This is your new twilight zone/yawn response to everything, cockwomble.

Can I say cockwombke, cockwomble?? Or is that personal kriticism?

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 8:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 8:34pm: Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 7:34pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 4:57pm: Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:11pm: Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year. But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents. Truly evil. Rubbish ! The first ceasefire agreement back in March, with Hamas releasing the hostages in an orderly manner, was thwarted when Netanyahu decided to continue on with his murderous campaign so that he could stay out of jail. Don't you remember, or were you too busy listening to sky news ?? **** your 'orderly manner', terrorist scum. You are not dictating term, you bastards, after what you have done. Quote: Personal criticism Do not post personal criticism of other members. Do not respond to personal criticism of yourself or other members. This is the biggest problem on OzPolitic. Too many members are easily baited into off-topic personal exchanges. If you participate in any kind of flame war you will be suspended, regardless of who started it or who you think ‘deserved it’. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) You are going to post this for another 300 times. This is your new twilight zone/yawn response to everything, cockwomble. Can I say cockwombke, cockwomble?? Or is that personal kriticism?

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Personal criticism Do not post personal criticism of other members. Do not respond to personal criticism of yourself or other members. This is the biggest problem on OzPolitic. Too many members are easily baited into off-topic personal exchanges. If you participate in any kind of flame war you will be suspended, regardless of who started it or who you think ‘deserved it’.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 8:43pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 8:41pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 8:34pm: Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 7:34pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 4:57pm: Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:11pm: Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year. But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents. Truly evil. Rubbish ! The first ceasefire agreement back in March, with Hamas releasing the hostages in an orderly manner, was thwarted when Netanyahu decided to continue on with his murderous campaign so that he could stay out of jail. Don't you remember, or were you too busy listening to sky news ?? **** your 'orderly manner', terrorist scum. You are not dictating term, you bastards, after what you have done. Quote: Personal criticism Do not post personal criticism of other members. Do not respond to personal criticism of yourself or other members. This is the biggest problem on OzPolitic. Too many members are easily baited into off-topic personal exchanges. If you participate in any kind of flame war you will be suspended, regardless of who started it or who you think ‘deserved it’. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) You are going to post this for another 300 times. This is your new twilight zone/yawn response to everything, cockwomble. Can I say cockwombke, cockwomble?? Or is that personal kriticism? [quote]Personal criticism Do not post personal criticism of other members. Do not respond to personal criticism of yourself or other members. This is the biggest problem on OzPolitic. Too many members are easily baited into off-topic personal exchanges. If you participate in any kind of flame war you will be suspended, regardless of who started it or who you think ‘deserved it’.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)[/quote]
5 down, 200 to go.

It was a classical each way politician bet - recognisig a state that does not exist and has no locality in which it could exist.  IF it ever exists somewhere - it will not be where Gazans are now and certainly will not be in Israel - even in Gaza it is too dangerous to Israel on a permanent basis, and nothing but endless trouble.

He was sucking up for the Muslim vote and to the idiots in the streets, getting them onside, while actually giving nothing.

It's wedging - and has no value in the real world.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 6:23pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 6:11pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 6:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 4:57pm: Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:11pm: Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year. But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents. Truly evil. yes - Hamas members slept well every night deep underground in tunnels - some 100 metres deep - they had little kitchens with a sink, running water and electric stoves and kettles - nice food, the lion's share - they had showers and toilets, a nice mattress to sleep on - while the woman and children were bombed and killed on the surface. Hamas didn't build any bomb shelters for civilians they did build underground shelters for themselves. Good point. Quote: We have been giving Palestine over $30 million a year of taxpayers money for decades. Because Oz wanted to support Palestinians living in the largest open air prison in the world ie Gaza and the occupied WB. Hamas said they didn't build bomb shelters for Gazans because the UN should protect them.

They were hoping the UN would protect Gazans?

Idiots - the US has always vetoed UN efforts to create the Palestinian state.


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It's a myth Gaza was an open air prison gullible idiots like you fall for that slogan hook line and sinker.

Your ignorance is deplorable, the Palestinians have been shut out of commerce with the outside world since the '67 war, forced to rely on UNRWA to survive.


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Have a look at the videos Gazans are posting of their life in luxury before Oct 7th and what happened to their homes after.

'Luxury' courtesy of UNRWA


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Egypt has a border with Gaza their wall closing Gaza off is far more secure than Israeli wall.

More nonsense, the Israeli wall is higher;  but yes, Egypt didn't/doesn't want Israel to ethnically cleanse Palestine through depopulation. 


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Why do gullible antisemitic idiots like you ignore the fact Egypt has a shoot to kill policy with Gazans trying to enter Egypt?

See above; and you forgot the IDF's  savage, demeaning policing of Palestinians in the WB, as well as the few Palestianians who must daily travel to Israel for work.


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After the fall of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Egyptian military implemented a strict “shoot-to-kill” policy toward Palestinians attempting to cross their border illegally. https://x.com/egy_atheist/status/1882412984716394540 Video of Egypt shooting a Gazan dead for trying to cross into Egypt

Any idea why, asks the guy who posted the video on 'X'?

Ofourse blinkered RW ideologues like you don't need to ask questions.


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and idiots like you ignore the border between Egypt and Gaza to say Joos bad.

The Israel border is higher, and protected by a nuclear power...


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Egypt controlled Gaza from 1948-1967 they know exactly what happens there.

Yes; at that time when Egypt was at war with Israel, still attempting to defend Palestine,  before they signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1979. 

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 7:34pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 4:57pm: Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:11pm: Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year. But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents. Truly evil. Rubbish ! The first ceasefire agreement back in March, with Hamas releasing the hostages in an orderly manner, was thwarted when Netanyahu decided to continue on with his murderous campaign so that he could stay out of jail. Don't you remember, or were you too busy listening to sky news ?? **** your 'orderly manner', terrorist scum. You are not dictating term, you bastards, after what you have done.

Frank your cortex brain is being  being disabled by your reptilian brain (google 'neanderthal instincts'' for details).

The Israelis have demanded peace on their terms since the '67 war when the UN last adopted a resolution to achieve peace (UN res 242).

That's why Hamas came into being.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 8:52pm:

It was a classical each way politician bet - recognisig a state that does not exist and has no locality in which it could exist.

Your error: the state COULD exist, as delineated in UN res 181, if the US stopped wielding its veto and decided it should exist. 


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IF it ever exists somewhere - it will not be where Gazans are now and certainly will not be in Israel - even in Gaza it is too dangerous to Israel on a permanent basis, and nothing but endless trouble.

If Trump had some morality he could implement UN res 181, beginning tomorrow.


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He was sucking up for the Muslim vote and to the idiots in the streets, getting them onside, while actually giving nothing.

I already told you, the 100 to one kill rate in Palestine is increasing ugly passions on all sides,  all around the world - very dangerous in multi-religious communities.    


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It's wedging - and has no value in the real world.

It's not wedging - that's what Ley is doing;  Albo is attempting to stop a tinderbox from exploding. 

Albo is stopping progress especially when he and the Left will be held accountable

Jasin wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 11:37pm:

Albo is stopping progress especially when he and the Left will be held accountable

Latest Redbridge poll show Ley's numbers falling - the public don't like her politicizing the Bondi murders.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 24^th, 2025 at 10:27am:

Jasin wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 11:37pm: Albo is stopping progress especially when he and the Left will be held accountable Latest Redbridge poll show Ley's numbers falling - the public don't like her politicizing the Bondi murders.

And so they shouldn't.

However, Frydenberg, Joyce, and Hanson have been far worse.

Anyway, everybody knew that Ley would never last long enough to face an election.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 24^th, 2025 at 10:31am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 10:27am: Jasin wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 11:37pm: Albo is stopping progress especially when he and the Left will be held accountable Latest Redbridge poll show Ley's numbers falling - the public don't like her politicizing the Bondi murders. And so they shouldn't. However, Frydenberg, Joyce, and Hanson have been far worse. Anyway, everybody knew that Ley would never last long enough to face an election.

Anthony Albanese’s approval rating as Prime Minister has dipped in the wake of the alleged Bondi terror attack, with almost half of respondents to a new poll unimpressed with the government’s response.

Mr Albanese’s support fell 15 points from +6 to -9 between November and last week, according to a poll of 1010 Australians conducted by Resolve Political Monitor for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age newspapers.

The drop, according to the poll, represents the Prime Minister’s lowest approval rating watermark since the May election.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/anthony-albanese-prime-minister-hits-lowest-approval-rating-since-election-retains-lead-over-sussan-ley-after-alleged-bondi-terror-attack/news-story/6b722506cfd14d4bdf21db2b5c44c2ce

Albanese was booed at Bondi. Leys not.  Minns and Sloane were applauded.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 24^th, 2025 at 10:27am:

Jasin wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 11:37pm: Albo is stopping progress especially when he and the Left will be held accountable Latest Redbridge poll show Ley's numbers falling - the public don't like her politicizing the Bondi murders.

Sussan Ley sets a new low with her confected cheap shot at Penny Wong

Anthony Albanese and his senior ministers have been accused of “wilful blindness” in responding to warnings from security chiefs on anti-Semitism and ­extremism, as police, security and intelligence personnel fear they will be made scapegoats by the government.

Multiple security sources have told The Australian that the Albanese government’s “permissive” approach to the scourge of anti-Semitism, lack of urgency in response to extremist threats and failure to adequately resource security and intelligence agencies cannot escape scrutiny following the Bondi Beach terrorist attack.

The truth is unmistakeable: the alarm bells were ringing long ago. The October 9, 2023, protest at the Sydney Opera House, the 300 per cent rise in harassment, threats and assaults against Jewish Australians; the arson and vandalism of Jewish businesses, schools and places of worship; the anti-Semitism on university campuses, the unchecked hate speech, the weekly protest marches calling for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people.

“And the repeated briefings, particularly to Foreign Minister Penny Wong and Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke, from security agencies all pointed to a growing and foreseeable threat.

“There is a legal term for ignoring such warnings: wilful blindness, when someone deliberately avoids knowing the truth so they can later claim ignorance. It is about accountability for choosing not to see what is in front of them.”

Prominent national security figures told The Australian the Albanese government did not have a “real focus on national ­security” and that the security ­architecture and personnel had been degraded since the 2022 election, when Labor came to power.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/eyes-wide-shut-on-extremist-threats-anthony-albanese-and-ministers-ignored-the-warnings/news-story/14171b2bc32cb908d28be3a983f82409

Frank wrote on Dec 24^th, 2025 at 11:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 10:31am: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 10:27am: Jasin wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 11:37pm: Albo is stopping progress especially when he and the Left will be held accountable Latest Redbridge poll show Ley's numbers falling - the public don't like her politicizing the Bondi murders. And so they shouldn't. However, Frydenberg, Joyce, and Hanson have been far worse. Anyway, everybody knew that Ley would never last long enough to face an election. Anthony Albanese’s approval rating as Prime Minister has dipped in the wake of the alleged Bondi terror attack, with almost half of respondents to a new poll unimpressed with the government’s response. Mr Albanese’s support fell 15 points from +6 to -9 between November and last week, according to a poll of 1010 Australians conducted by Resolve Political Monitor for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age newspapers. The drop, according to the poll, represents the Prime Minister’s lowest approval rating watermark since the May election. https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/anthony-albanese-prime-minister-hits-lowest-approval-rating-since-election-retains-lead-over-sussan-ley-after-alleged-bondi-terror-attack/news-story/6b722506cfd14d4bdf21db2b5c44c2ce Albanese was booed at Bondi. Leys not.  Minns and Sloane were applauded.

Let’s have a small wager what Albaneses’ approval rating will be at say, the end of January.  Already, the Coalition are coping flack from ALL news providers so, once the horror of the event has been processed by the Australian people and the hypocrisy of the Coalition absorbed how high do you think his rating will go?

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Vic wrote on Dec 24^th, 2025 at 1:02pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 11:26am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 10:31am: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 10:27am: Jasin wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 11:37pm: Albo is stopping progress especially when he and the Left will be held accountable Latest Redbridge poll show Ley's numbers falling - the public don't like her politicizing the Bondi murders. And so they shouldn't. However, Frydenberg, Joyce, and Hanson have been far worse. Anyway, everybody knew that Ley would never last long enough to face an election. Anthony Albanese’s approval rating as Prime Minister has dipped in the wake of the alleged Bondi terror attack, with almost half of respondents to a new poll unimpressed with the government’s response. Mr Albanese’s support fell 15 points from +6 to -9 between November and last week, according to a poll of 1010 Australians conducted by Resolve Political Monitor for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age newspapers. The drop, according to the poll, represents the Prime Minister’s lowest approval rating watermark since the May election. https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/anthony-albanese-prime-minister-hits-lowest-approval-rating-since-election-retains-lead-over-sussan-ley-after-alleged-bondi-terror-attack/news-story/6b722506cfd14d4bdf21db2b5c44c2ce Albanese was booed at Bondi. Leys not.  Minns and Sloane were applauded. Let’s have a small wager what Albaneses’ approval rating will be at say, the end of January.  Already, the Coalition are coping flack from ALL news providers so, once the horror of the event has been processed by the Australian people and the hypocrisy of the Coalition absorbed how high do you think his rating will go?

This massacre is not going to be 'processed' by the end of January.


Albanese, Tony Burqa, Wrong and federal Labor are copping an awful lot more flack than the Federal Coalition over this, and rightly so.

Frank wrote on Dec 24^th, 2025 at 1:27pm:

60 Vic wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 1:02pm: Frank wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 11:26am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 10:31am: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 10:27am: Jasin wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 11:37pm: Albo is stopping progress especially when he and the Left will be held accountable Latest Redbridge poll show Ley's numbers falling - the public don't like her politicizing the Bondi murders. And so they shouldn't. However, Frydenberg, Joyce, and Hanson have been far worse. Anyway, everybody knew that Ley would never last long enough to face an election. Anthony Albanese’s approval rating as Prime Minister has dipped in the wake of the alleged Bondi terror attack, with almost half of respondents to a new poll unimpressed with the government’s response. Mr Albanese’s support fell 15 points from +6 to -9 between November and last week, according to a poll of 1010 Australians conducted by Resolve Political Monitor for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age newspapers. The drop, according to the poll, represents the Prime Minister’s lowest approval rating watermark since the May election. https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/anthony-albanese-prime-minister-hits-lowest-approval-rating-since-election-retains-lead-over-sussan-ley-after-alleged-bondi-terror-attack/news-story/6b722506cfd14d4bdf21db2b5c44c2ce Albanese was booed at Bondi. Leys not.  Minns and Sloane were applauded. Let’s have a small wager what Albaneses’ approval rating will be at say, the end of January.  Already, the Coalition are coping flack from ALL news providers so, once the horror of the event has been processed by the Australian people and the hypocrisy of the Coalition absorbed how high do you think his rating will go? This massacre is not going to be 'processed' by the end of January. Albanese, Tony Burqa, Wrong and federal Labor are copping an awful lot more flack than the Federal Coalition over this, and rightly so.

And all because Albo signed up for a two-state solution, along with 57 other member states. The hysteria will eventually die down because the people are already over the blame game.

Frank wrote on Dec 24^th, 2025 at 1:27pm:

60 Vic wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 1:02pm: Frank wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 11:26am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 10:31am: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 10:27am: Jasin wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 11:37pm: Albo is stopping progress especially when he and the Left will be held accountable Latest Redbridge poll show Ley's numbers falling - the public don't like her politicizing the Bondi murders. And so they shouldn't. However, Frydenberg, Joyce, and Hanson have been far worse. Anyway, everybody knew that Ley would never last long enough to face an election. Anthony Albanese’s approval rating as Prime Minister has dipped in the wake of the alleged Bondi terror attack, with almost half of respondents to a new poll unimpressed with the government’s response. Mr Albanese’s support fell 15 points from +6 to -9 between November and last week, according to a poll of 1010 Australians conducted by Resolve Political Monitor for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age newspapers. The drop, according to the poll, represents the Prime Minister’s lowest approval rating watermark since the May election. https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/anthony-albanese-prime-minister-hits-lowest-approval-rating-since-election-retains-lead-over-sussan-ley-after-alleged-bondi-terror-attack/news-story/6b722506cfd14d4bdf21db2b5c44c2ce Albanese was booed at Bondi. Leys not.  Minns and Sloane were applauded. Let’s have a small wager what Albaneses’ approval rating will be at say, the end of January.  Already, the Coalition are coping flack from ALL news providers so, once the horror of the event has been processed by the Australian people and the hypocrisy of the Coalition absorbed how high do you think his rating will go? This massacre is not going to be 'processed' by the end of January. Albanese, Tony Burqa, Wrong and federal Labor are copping an awful lot more flack than the Federal Coalition over this, and rightly so.

Well, in my retirement years I get to read and digest a lot more information now that I did before and I am seeing what was a big rise in unpopularity for the PM and Albaneses slowly but surely reversing back to the status quo as the Coalition's tactics fail.  I mean, the idiot Frydenberg attributing a misquoted set of  comments made by Sir Peter Cosgrove about Hitler in a rant at Bondi,  accusations about Albanese not being at Bondi when he was at a hospital visiting wounded people, the disgraceful attacks by the screeching Cash and Ley  over Penny Wong are now all coming out as false.  Even the temporary Sussssan ley has  been apologising and back peddling as fast as her legs will move.

The opposition had an opportunity here to show leadership and compassion and position themselves as a viable alternative but instead they will become the compost heap for disinformation and below belt tactics.   

Vic wrote on Dec 24^th, 2025 at 6:23pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 1:27pm: 60 Vic wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 1:02pm: Frank wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 11:26am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 10:31am: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 24th, 2025 at 10:27am: Jasin wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 11:37pm: Albo is stopping progress especially when he and the Left will be held accountable Latest Redbridge poll show Ley's numbers falling - the public don't like her politicizing the Bondi murders. And so they shouldn't. However, Frydenberg, Joyce, and Hanson have been far worse. Anyway, everybody knew that Ley would never last long enough to face an election. Anthony Albanese’s approval rating as Prime Minister has dipped in the wake of the alleged Bondi terror attack, with almost half of respondents to a new poll unimpressed with the government’s response. Mr Albanese’s support fell 15 points from +6 to -9 between November and last week, according to a poll of 1010 Australians conducted by Resolve Political Monitor for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age newspapers. The drop, according to the poll, represents the Prime Minister’s lowest approval rating watermark since the May election. https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/anthony-albanese-prime-minister-hits-lowest-approval-rating-since-election-retains-lead-over-sussan-ley-after-alleged-bondi-terror-attack/news-story/6b722506cfd14d4bdf21db2b5c44c2ce Albanese was booed at Bondi. Leys not.  Minns and Sloane were applauded. Let’s have a small wager what Albaneses’ approval rating will be at say, the end of January.  Already, the Coalition are coping flack from ALL news providers so, once the horror of the event has been processed by the Australian people and the hypocrisy of the Coalition absorbed how high do you think his rating will go? This massacre is not going to be 'processed' by the end of January. Albanese, Tony Burqa, Wrong and federal Labor are copping an awful lot more flack than the Federal Coalition over this, and rightly so. Well, in my retirement years I get to read and digest a lot more information now that I did before and I am seeing what was a big rise in unpopularity for the PM and Albaneses slowly but surely reversing back to the status quo as the Coalition's tactics fail.  I mean, the idiot Frydenberg attributing a misquoted set of  comments made by Sir Peter Cosgrove about Hitler in a rant at Bondi,  accusations about Albanese not being at Bondi when he was at a hospital visiting wounded people, the disgraceful attacks by the screeching Cash and Ley  over Penny Wong are now all coming out as false.  Even the temporary Sussssan ley has  been apologising and back peddling as fast as her legs will move. The opposition had an opportunity here to show leadership and compassion and position themselves as a viable alternative but instead they will become the compost heap for disinformation and below belt tactics.

The PM had endless opportunities to show leadership since 2022, when he assumed office.

Even more so since October 2023. He went back to type : USyd Trots student politician.

They booed him because he is a spineless little man out of his depth.
The entire parliament with a few honourable exceptions, are unreconstructed 1980s and 90s student activists. Pathetic.
Albo, Tony Burqa, Wrong and the Labor Left are intimidated by the Muslim and muiriculti vote. Much of urban Libs are also nappyshitters on the 'wacism, islamophobia' front.

Australia and the West has had political leaders for decades - the Uniparty - that has actively, purposefully imported masses of enemy aliens.

There is no reason for flooding liberal democracies with millions of people who are openly, fundamentally hostile to it - except to destroy it.  Islam has not improved Austalia in any way. Yet since 2001, the rate of Muslim immigration has increased very significantly.
Nor have Pakis, Sikhs, Gujarati,  Chinese, Africans, Maoris, Sudanese.

Government can control for how many hours you can leave the house or if you, as a citizen, can return during Covid  - but it cannot control the influx of hostile demagogues who will murder people on the beach, preaching jihad every Friday, self-segregate from the society that has taken them in?? Nuts to that.

Oh, the ironing!!!




The Arab League, the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), the African Union (AU), and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) have joined numerous countries and foreign ministers in decrying Israel’s formal recognition of the Somali breakaway region of Somaliland as an independent state.

‘Dangerous precedent’
Arab League Secretary-General Ahmed Aboul Gheit called Israel’s action “a clear violation of international law and a flagrant infringement of the principle of the unity and sovereignty of states”.

“Any attempt to impose unilateral recognitions constitutes an unacceptable interference in Somalia’s internal affairs and sets a dangerous precedent that threatens regional and international security and stability,” he warned.


:D :D :D :D

Pakistan has joined 20 other nations and the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) in rejecting Israel‘s recognition of self-declared Republic of Somaliland, with a joint statement saying that Tel Aviv’s measure reflected its “full and blatant disregard for international law”.


:D :D :D :D

Frank wrote on Dec 28^th, 2025 at 8:20pm:

Pakistan has joined 20 other nations and the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) in rejecting Israel‘s recognition of self-declared Republic of Somaliland, with a joint statement saying that Tel Aviv’s measure reflected its “full and blatant disregard for international law”. :D :D :D :D

Now the Somalis can go back to their choice of Italian Somalia or British Somaliland.
No need to be 'refugees' in America, UK, Australia.

The away that Yugoslav refugees can go back to their various independent south Slavic statelets. Ditto Afghans, Iraqi, Syrians - the wars are over, go home, your country needs you. Nuffin' to be a refugee from.