https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ced58zywdwno



Hamas claims leadership survived Israeli attack in Doha, but confirms six deaths

1 hour ago


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/a170/live/3bdb93c0-8d88-11f0-b391-6936825093bd.jpg



The Palestinian armed group Hamas has said five of its members were killed in an Israeli air strike in Qatar's capital, but claimed that an attempt to assassinate its negotiating team "failed".

Hamas said the negotiating team was meeting to discuss the latest US proposal for a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip at a residential compound in Doha when it was badly damaged by a series of explosions.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the strike was "fully justified" because it targeted senior Hamas leaders who organised the 7 October 2023 attack on Israel, which triggered the Gaza war.

Qatar condemned the Israeli attack, calling it "cowardly" and a "flagrant violation of international law".

The Gulf state's interior ministry said one member of its Internal Security Force was killed and others were injured, without mentioning any Hamas casualties.

The White House said US President Donald Trump believed the incident was "unfortunate" but that eliminating Hamas was "a worthy goal".

Qatar is a key US ally in the region that is the location of a major American air base.

It has hosted the Hamas political bureau since 2012, and has served along with the US and Egypt as a mediator in indirect negotiations between the group and Israel.

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-qatar-attack-09-09-25

31 min ago

Trump expressed his solidarity with Qatar, emir's office says


From CNN’s Mostafa Salem, Mohammed Tawfeeq and Kevin Liptak

US President Donald Trump expressed his solidarity with Qatar following the Israeli attack on Doha during a phone call with Qatari Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani, according to his office.

Trump “expressed his solidarity with the State of Qatar and his strong condemnation of the attack on its sovereignty, pointing out that diplomatic solutions are sufficient to resolve outstanding issues in the region,” according to a statement from the Amiri Diwan, the official workplace of the emir.

Trump also “stressed that the State of Qatar is a trusted strategic ally of the United States of America, calling on His Highness the Amir to continue Qatar’s mediation efforts to end the war in the Gaza Strip,” the statement said.

Trump affirmed that Qatar’s role “is a key factor in establishing peace in the region,” the statement added.

Remember: Earlier in the day, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said attacking inside Qatar “does not advance Israel or America’s goals.” In Trump’s conversation with the Qataris, the US president “assured them that such a thing will not happen again on their soil,” Leavitt said.

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-qatar-attack-09-09-25


17 min ago


Trump says Israel's strike in Qatar was "not a decision made by me"


From CNN's Kevin Liptak
President Donald Trump sought to further distance himself from Israel’s attack in Qatar, posting an addendum to an earlier statement from the White House that specified the decision was made by Israel’s leader and that the US learned of it too late to intervene.

“This was a decision made by Prime Minister Netanyahu, it was not a decision made by me,” Trump wrote on Truth Social today, inserting the line into a statement read earlier from the White House briefing room by his press secretary Karoline Leavitt.

Trump added that by the time his administration learned of the attack and told the Qataris, there was little he could do to stop it.

“I immediately directed Special Envoy Steve Witkoff to inform the Qataris of the impending attack, which he did, however, unfortunately, too late to stop the attack,” Trump wrote.

The president also said he directed Secretary of State Marco Rubio to finalize a defense cooperation agreement with Qatar, though the two countries have an existing pact that Trump amended when he visited Qatar in May.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-10/live-coverage-israel-strikes-hamas-leadership-in-qatar/105755776



23m ago


Wong condemns Israel's strike in Qatar


We've just received our first Australian reaction to Israel's strike overnight on Hamas leaders in Qatar.

Foreign Minister Penny Wong this morning added Australia to the list of countries that have condemned the strike, saying it "flies in the face" of any progress towards a ceasefire and the return of hostages.

"It's a strike that violates Qatar's sovereignty. It undermines, or potentially damages, the possibility of a ceasefire and the release of hostages, and obviously it risks escalation," she says.

"Let's remember what Qatar has been doing. It has been working with the United States to try and deliver a ceasefire and return of hostages. They have been tireless in those negotiations. That's the context in which this strike has occurred.

"I think it is the wrong thing to do. It flies in the face of what we all want, which is a ceasefire and the return of the hostages."

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 7:20am:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ced58zywdwno Hamas claims leadership survived Israeli attack in Doha, but confirms six deaths 1 hour ago Qatar condemned the Israeli attack, calling it "cowardly" and a "flagrant violation of international law". The Gulf state's interior ministry said one member of its Internal Security Force was killed and others were injured, without mentioning any Hamas casualties.

Israel bomb Qatar and kill / Injure "Qataris" Is the problem here.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 8:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 7:20am: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ced58zywdwno Hamas claims leadership survived Israeli attack in Doha, but confirms six deaths 1 hour ago Qatar condemned the Israeli attack, calling it "cowardly" and a "flagrant violation of international law". The Gulf state's interior ministry said one member of its Internal Security Force was killed and others were injured, without mentioning any Hamas casualties. Israel bomb Qatar and kill / Injure "Qataris" Is the problem here.

And kill the negotiators which is what they are known to do in order to scuttle negotiations because the zionists just want to steal the land for themselves :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40dNSPtSsN8

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And kill the negotiators which is what they are known to do in order to scuttle negotiations because the zionists just want to steal the land for themselves

Yasser Arafat was the Palestinians leading negotiator for peace in his later years. He died in his mid seventies following a bout of influenza. The Israelis allowed him to travel to seek medical attention.

Arafat's peace negotiations failed because the people of Gaza voted for war. Fatah's popularity went from almost universal to minority status because they pursued peace under Arafat. You do not need a sinister conspiracy to explain the never ending war. It is simply what the local Muslims want.

Likewise you do not need a sinister conspiracy theory to explain why Israel repeatedly returns land after each of the many military victories they have had. They return it because they do not want it.

To see it any other day requires a hatred of Jews strong enough to blind you to the bleeding obvious.

If Qatar wants to harbour terrrorists then they copped what they deserve. 

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 9:34am:

the zionists just want to steal the land for themselves

And they have never denied it: the establishment of the Israeli state over the ancient lands of Judea, Galilee and Samaria.

As such, Zionists deny they are stealing the land... they'd argue they're reclaiming it.

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 9:43am:

Quote: And kill the negotiators which is what they are known to do in order to scuttle negotiations because the zionists just want to steal the land for themselves Yasser Arafat was the Palestinians leading negotiator for peace in his later years. He died in his mid seventies following a bout of influenza. The Israelis allowed him to travel to seek medical attention. Arafat's peace negotiations failed because the people of Gaza voted for war. Fatah's popularity went from almost universal to minority status because they pursued peace under Arafat. You do not need a sinister conspiracy to explain the never ending war. It is simply what the local Muslims want. Likewise you do not need a sinister conspiracy theory to explain why Israel repeatedly returns land after each of the many military victories they have had. They return it because they do not want it. To see it any other day requires a hatred of Jews strong enough to blind you to the bleeding obvious.

You mean hatred of zionists ? You really should stop trying to conflate the two FD because the jig is up mate :D LOL

And as for the illegal settler colony:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_AaWacS21M

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 10:31am:

freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 9:43am: Quote: And kill the negotiators which is what they are known to do in order to scuttle negotiations because the zionists just want to steal the land for themselves Yasser Arafat was the Palestinians leading negotiator for peace in his later years. He died in his mid seventies following a bout of influenza. The Israelis allowed him to travel to seek medical attention. Arafat's peace negotiations failed because the people of Gaza voted for war. Fatah's popularity went from almost universal to minority status because they pursued peace under Arafat. You do not need a sinister conspiracy to explain the never ending war. It is simply what the local Muslims want. Likewise you do not need a sinister conspiracy theory to explain why Israel repeatedly returns land after each of the many military victories they have had. They return it because they do not want it. To see it any other day requires a hatred of Jews strong enough to blind you to the bleeding obvious. You mean hatred of zionists ? You really should stop trying to conflate the two FD because the jig is up mate :D LOL And as for the illegal settler colony:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_AaWacS21M

Zionism is a mask you use for your hatred of Jews. Nearly everyone in the world is a zionist today, because nearly everyone in the world supports Israel's right to exist. But still, you have to make up some term other than Jew when expressing your hatred of them.

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 10:43am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 10:31am: freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 9:43am: Quote: And kill the negotiators which is what they are known to do in order to scuttle negotiations because the zionists just want to steal the land for themselves Yasser Arafat was the Palestinians leading negotiator for peace in his later years. He died in his mid seventies following a bout of influenza. The Israelis allowed him to travel to seek medical attention. Arafat's peace negotiations failed because the people of Gaza voted for war. Fatah's popularity went from almost universal to minority status because they pursued peace under Arafat. You do not need a sinister conspiracy to explain the never ending war. It is simply what the local Muslims want. Likewise you do not need a sinister conspiracy theory to explain why Israel repeatedly returns land after each of the many military victories they have had. They return it because they do not want it. To see it any other day requires a hatred of Jews strong enough to blind you to the bleeding obvious. You mean hatred of zionists ? You really should stop trying to conflate the two FD because the jig is up mate :D LOL And as for the illegal settler colony:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_AaWacS21M Zionism is a mask you use for your hatred of Jews. Nearly everyone in the world is a zionist today, because nearly everyone in the world supports Israel's right to exist. But still, you have to make up some term other than Jew when expressing your hatred of them.

So you think most of us are like this do ya FD ?? Speak for yourself mate :(

The story of Zionism in 1 minute !!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/h2xx9BuPw98

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So you think most of us are like this do ya FD ?

It's the only way I can think of to explain all the lies and hypocrisy.

And it is not "most of us." There are only a small number of you, once you take out the Muslims, who are compelled by their religion to hate Jews.

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 10:43am:

Nearly everyone in the world is a zionist today, because nearly everyone in the world supports Israel's right to exist.

Leaving aside the decades-old eccentric claim that any state has a right to exist, where are the borders that nearly everyone in the world agrees constitute Israel?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 11:35am:

freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 10:43am: Nearly everyone in the world is a zionist today, because nearly everyone in the world supports Israel's right to exist. Leaving aside the decades-old eccentric claim that any state has a right to exist, where are the borders that nearly everyone in the world agrees constitute Israel?

Do you now know how to use google maps?

Introducing a topic with "leaving it aside" sounds like an exercise in BS Meister. Do you deny Israel's right to exist, or do you just enjoy pointless arguments?

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 12:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 11:35am: freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 10:43am: Nearly everyone in the world is a zionist today, because nearly everyone in the world supports Israel's right to exist. Leaving aside the decades-old eccentric claim that any state has a right to exist, where are the borders that nearly everyone in the world agrees constitute Israel? Do you now know how to use google maps?

And Israel's borders, say, according to the UN, are?

The fact is, the borders of the place that nearly everyone supports as having a right to exist are almost certainly not the same as those claimed by Zionists or the Zionist-aligned.

Do you deny Israel's right to exist?

If so, why are you so keen to leave that aside and quibble over the borders?

You remember what quibbling means, don't you?

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 12:15pm:

Do you deny Israel's right to exist? If so, why are you so keen to leave that aside and quibble over the borders? You remember what quibbling means, don't you?

What does it mean for a state to have a right to exist?

Is it inalienable? If not, who bestows that right? By what authority?

From there, the state must be geolocated within defined borders... Do those borders have a right to exist? Who is the ultimate authority such that a state and its borders have a right to exist?

Does, say, the Basque state have a right to exist?

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What does it mean for a state to have a right to exist?

That you are considered to be in the wrong by trying to destroy it.

Not sure why this needs to be explained Meister. Do you not understand the consequences of abandoning this philosophy?

Do you deny Israel's right to exist?

If so, why are you so keen to leave that aside and quibble over the borders?

You remember what quibbling means, don't you?

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 12:23pm:

Quote: What does it mean for a state to have a right to exist? That you are considered to be in the wrong by trying to destroy it. Not sure why this needs to be explained Meister. Do you not understand the consequences of abandoning this philosophy? Do you deny Israel's right to exist? If so, why are you so keen to leave that aside and quibble over the borders? You remember what quibbling means, don't you?

That's not an answer; I'm asking you what criteria you use to determine that a state has the right to exist.

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 11:11am:

There are only a small number of you, once you take out the Muslims, who are compelled by their religion to hate Jews.

What compelled the vast majority of Europeans over thousands of years to hate Jews?

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 12:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 11:35am: freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 10:43am: Nearly everyone in the world is a zionist today, because nearly everyone in the world supports Israel's right to exist. Leaving aside the decades-old eccentric claim that any state has a right to exist, where are the borders that nearly everyone in the world agrees constitute Israel? Do you now know how to use google maps? Introducing a topic with "leaving it aside" sounds like an exercise in BS Meister. Do you deny Israel's right to exist, or do you just enjoy pointless arguments?

They don't have a legal right to it. It's all made up by zionist gangsters and thugs from Europe throwing their weight around and throwing everyone off their land just because it says so in some old book.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/l_AaWacS21M

Do you deny Israel's right to exist?

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 1:32pm:

Do you deny Israel's right to exist?

For whose benefit ?

Check it out !!

Cenk and Ana ENRAGED After Israel Attacks Qatar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwxw67VCy-U

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 1:32pm:

Do you deny Israel's right to exist?

Do you think Israel have the right to bomb innocent citizens of a different country ?

Dnarever wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 3:21pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 1:32pm: Do you deny Israel's right to exist? Do you think Israel have the right to bomb innocent citizens of a different country ?

Sure. To deny them that right would just encourage Hamas to use civilians as human shields.

You cannot attack a neighbouring country from the top of a residential building then complain that that country does not walk on eggshells in their efforts to try to stop you.

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 3:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:21pm: freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 1:32pm: Do you deny Israel's right to exist? Do you think Israel have the right to bomb innocent citizens of a different country ? Sure. To deny them that right would just encourage Hamas to use civilians as human shields. You cannot attack a neighbouring country from the top of a residential building then complain that that country does not walk on eggshells in their efforts to try to stop you.

So Israel can blow up a multi story building in Australia if they believe a Hamas member is in the building ? I think not.

There is zero claim that Hamas had launched from that building.

Do you deny Israel's right to exist?

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 3:49pm:

Do you deny Israel's right to exist?

No I just don't support Israel's right to indiscriminately blow up anyone they don't like.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 3:52pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:49pm: Do you deny Israel's right to exist? No I just don't support Israel's right to indiscriminately blow up anyone they don't like.

Well congratulations for giving a straight answer. I think you are the first.

Now, on the issue of self defence, you would have a point if Israel was only imagining that Hamas was getting on top of residential buildings and lobbing rockets over the border. They are not imagining it. Hamas and their predecessors have been waging a war against Israel for generations, and they have always done so while hiding behind their mothers skirts, then crying foul whenever their mothers turn into red mist.

They do not wage this war for anything that passes for justice among the sane, they wage it because it is a religious imperative. The existence of Israel offends their religious beliefs, and their religious belief is that they are required to impose Islam on everyone by whatever means are available, just like Muhammad did.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 3:43pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:33pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:21pm: freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 1:32pm: Do you deny Israel's right to exist? Do you think Israel have the right to bomb innocent citizens of a different country ? Sure. To deny them that right would just encourage Hamas to use civilians as human shields. You cannot attack a neighbouring country from the top of a residential building then complain that that country does not walk on eggshells in their efforts to try to stop you. So Israel can blow up a multi story building in Australia if they believe a Hamas member is in the building ? I think not. There is zero claim that Hamas had launched from that building.

I say the answer is no.

What does FD say?

Dnarever wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 3:52pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:49pm: Do you deny Israel's right to exist? No I just don't support Israel's right to indiscriminately blow up anyone they don't like.

What do you think is the right outcome for Palestinians who attacked and killed Israeli's and have innocent hostages. What do you want to see happen to them and how would you achieve that?.

Leroy wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 5:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:52pm: freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:49pm: Do you deny Israel's right to exist? No I just don't support Israel's right to indiscriminately blow up anyone they don't like. What do you think is the right outcome for Palestinians who attacked and killed Israeli's and have innocent hostages. What do you want to see happen to them and how would you achieve that?.

Murderers should all be hanged in public:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZTe-_yqmhQ

Sounds like Qatar can do nothing about it -

they have only a puny air force and no stealth fighters to attack Israel.

"Israel bombs Qatar"

With Trump's blessing.

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 3:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:21pm: freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 1:32pm: Do you deny Israel's right to exist? Do you think Israel have the right to bomb innocent citizens of a different country ? Sure. To deny them that right would just encourage Hamas to use civilians as human shields. You cannot attack a neighbouring country from the top of a residential building then complain that that country does not walk on eggshells in their efforts to try to stop you.

"human shields" gets wheeled out once again for the 10,000th time whilst hamas sitting in tunnels 50 meters below the surface :D LOL

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 6:37pm:

Sounds like Qatar can do nothing about it - they have only a puny air force and no stealth fighters to attack Israel.

And being buddies with Trump and giving him a 400 million dollar jet they thought they were immune from the genocidal settler colony :D LOL

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 7:07pm:

"Israel bombs Qatar" With Trump's blessing.

but you forgot the power and influence of the Epstein files ;)

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 6:37pm:

Sounds like Qatar can do nothing about it - they have only a puny air force and no stealth fighters to attack Israel.

Qatar and Israel have F15s. Israeli F15s are probably better Israel does their own avionics and weapon systems think of Israel as the R&D dept for US military industry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_F-15EX_Eagle_II

Are you saying F15s are no match for F35s?

The big problem with Gulf Arab states is lack of work ethic which means their pilots are hopeless.
The Saudis and UAE couldn't do much with Houthis Israel flies over and bombs them at will.

Qatar has a huge US airbase they probably rely on the US to protect them.

I would say the Gulf Arabs would be happy Israel is taking care of Hamas terrorists for them.
There would be outrage from butthurt muslims if the Gulf Arabs took out Hamas.
They can blame Israel.  ;)

Hamas leaders are a legitimate target they did kill Haniyeh in Iran with a bomb under his bed in IRGC building.

If a terrorist supporter flies a Palestinian flag in Saudi Arabia they are arrested the Saudis don't tolerate that.

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Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 8:03pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:33pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:21pm: freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 1:32pm: Do you deny Israel's right to exist? Do you think Israel have the right to bomb innocent citizens of a different country ? Sure. To deny them that right would just encourage Hamas to use civilians as human shields. You cannot attack a neighbouring country from the top of a residential building then complain that that country does not walk on eggshells in their efforts to try to stop you. "human shields" gets wheeled out once again for the 10,000th time whilst hamas sitting in tunnels 50 meters below the surface :D LOL

DNA is the one who brought it up.

I notice you could not answer the question about Israel's right to exist. Why is that?

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 8:17pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 8:03pm: freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:33pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:21pm: freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 1:32pm: Do you deny Israel's right to exist? Do you think Israel have the right to bomb innocent citizens of a different country ? Sure. To deny them that right would just encourage Hamas to use civilians as human shields. You cannot attack a neighbouring country from the top of a residential building then complain that that country does not walk on eggshells in their efforts to try to stop you. "human shields" gets wheeled out once again for the 10,000th time whilst hamas sitting in tunnels 50 meters below the surface :D LOL DNA is the one who brought it up. I notice you could not answer the question about Israel's right to exist. Why is that?

But I asked you for whose benefit ? Is it exclusively for zionists only or is it for everyone, including the people who have been living there for 100's of years before the illegal settler colony started colonizing the land and displacing the locals ?

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 8:25pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 8:17pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 8:03pm: freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:33pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:21pm: freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 1:32pm: Do you deny Israel's right to exist? Do you think Israel have the right to bomb innocent citizens of a different country ? Sure. To deny them that right would just encourage Hamas to use civilians as human shields. You cannot attack a neighbouring country from the top of a residential building then complain that that country does not walk on eggshells in their efforts to try to stop you. "human shields" gets wheeled out once again for the 10,000th time whilst hamas sitting in tunnels 50 meters below the surface :D LOL DNA is the one who brought it up. I notice you could not answer the question about Israel's right to exist. Why is that? But I asked you for whose benefit ? Is it exclusively for zionists only or is it for everyone, including the people who have been living there for 100's of years before the illegal settler colony started colonizing the land and displacing the locals ?

If you recognise its right to exist, then it does not matter who you think benefits from that right. You can insert any answer you want. It is a nonsensical question. You are speaking gibberish.

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 8:27pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 8:25pm: freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 8:17pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 8:03pm: freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:33pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:21pm: freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 1:32pm: Do you deny Israel's right to exist? Do you think Israel have the right to bomb innocent citizens of a different country ? Sure. To deny them that right would just encourage Hamas to use civilians as human shields. You cannot attack a neighbouring country from the top of a residential building then complain that that country does not walk on eggshells in their efforts to try to stop you. "human shields" gets wheeled out once again for the 10,000th time whilst hamas sitting in tunnels 50 meters below the surface :D LOL DNA is the one who brought it up. I notice you could not answer the question about Israel's right to exist. Why is that? But I asked you for whose benefit ? Is it exclusively for zionists only or is it for everyone, including the people who have been living there for 100's of years before the illegal settler colony started colonizing the land and displacing the locals ? If you recognise its right to exist, then it does not matter who you think benefits from that right. You can insert any answer you want. It is a nonsensical question. You are speaking gibberish.

No not if it's an apartheid state !!

But do you support the Palestinians' right to self-determination?

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 9:43am:

Quote: And kill the negotiators which is what they are known to do in order to scuttle negotiations because the zionists just want to steal the land for themselves Yasser Arafat was the Palestinians leading negotiator for peace in his later years. He died in his mid seventies following a bout of influenza. The Israelis allowed him to travel to seek medical attention. Arafat's peace negotiations failed because the people of Gaza voted for war. Fatah's popularity went from almost universal to minority status because they pursued peace under Arafat. You do not need a sinister conspiracy to explain the never ending war. It is simply what the local Muslims want.

You remain uneducable.

The Arab world was outraged by the UN's confiscation of much of Palestine in 1947.

The Oslo accords were never going to progress to peace after Ramin's murder.

And Israel's ideologues  were never going to countenance E. Jerusalem  as the capital of a Palestinian state, a stance which gave rise to Hamas.


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Likewise you do not need a sinister conspiracy theory to explain why Israel repeatedly returns land after each of the many military victories they have had. They return it because they do not want it.

?? 


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To see it any other day requires a hatred of Jews strong enough to blind you to the bleeding obvious.

The contemptible 'chosen people ' and 'promised land' mythology is as responsible for the failure to achieve a peace settlement as any Muslim fundamentalism. 

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The contemptible 'chosen people ' and 'promised land' mythology is as responsible for the failure to achieve a peace settlement as any Muslim fundamentalism.

The Muslims are ideologically committed to destroying Israel. But not vice versa. In fact, Israel has created a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and hostile places on earth. In doing so, they have granted local Arab Muslims, roughly 20% of their population, more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country. They would happily live side by side with free, democratic, prosperous Muslim-majority nations. But when those Muslims were given a vote, they voted for war.

That's why even Muslim leaders are now blaming Hamas for the ongoing conflict, not Israel.

Leroy wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 5:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:52pm: freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:49pm: Do you deny Israel's right to exist? No I just don't support Israel's right to indiscriminately blow up anyone they don't like. What do you think is the right outcome for Palestinians who attacked and killed Israeli's and have innocent hostages. What do you want to see happen to them and how would you achieve that?.

Never claimed to have all the answers but I don't believe that killing approaching 100,000 innocent Palestinians or bombing innocent citizens of Qatar is any part of the answer.

All I see that Net N Yahoo has achieved is a guarantee of another 5 generations of conflict - killing and death as far as the eye can see.

The Jews even murdered people in Qatar - they are a rogue nation.

The United Nations needs to stop them or they'll cause WW3.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2025 at 12:34pm:

The Jews even murdered people in Qatar - they are a rogue nation. The United Nations needs to stop them or they'll cause WW3.

With Trump's help (along with his BFF, Putin), that's very likely.

Since Trump - "the candidate for peace" - entered the White House, the world has got much, much closer to WWIII.

It appears that Trump actually wants it to happen.

I suspect his sons (and the repugnant daughter) have a lot of money invested in the companies that will profit the most from war.

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2025 at 10:44am:

Quote: The contemptible 'chosen people ' and 'promised land' mythology is as responsible for the failure to achieve a peace settlement as any Muslim fundamentalism. The Muslims are ideologically committed to destroying Israel. But not vice versa. In fact, Israel has created a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and hostile places on earth. In doing so, they have granted local Arab Muslims, roughly 20% of their population, more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country. They would happily live side by side with free, democratic, prosperous Muslim-majority nations. But when those Muslims were given a vote, they voted for war.

Yet the powerful "chosen people/promised land " ideologues - who even murdered their own peacemaking PM Rabin during the Oslo  peace process, will NEVER accept UN res 181; they will always ensure a peace agreement is never achieved.


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That's why even Muslim leaders are now blaming Hamas for the ongoing conflict, not Israel.

Yes, moderate Muslims (and states) - unlike Hamas,  have finally accepted they can't remove Israel from the ME.

But now fundamenalist  Jews have captured the Isreali government, thereby ruling out a Palestinian state.   

Trump's bromance with the Saudis and other Muslims states is in peril. 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/10/middleeast/qatar-prime-minister-israel-strike-interview-latam-intl


In exclusive CNN interview, Qatari prime minister says Netanyahu
‘killed any hope’ for Israeli hostages

9 hr ago



Qatar’s prime minister excoriated Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in an exclusive interview with CNN on Wednesday, calling Israel’s attempted assassination of Hamas leaders in Doha “barbaric.”

“We were thinking that we are dealing with civilized people,” Qatari Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim Al-Thani told CNN’s Becky Anderson. “That’s the way we are dealing with others. And the action that (Netanyahu) took – I cannot describe it, but it’s a barbaric action.”

Al-Thani added that he believes Israel’s strike on Doha on Tuesday “killed any hope” for the hostages remaining in Gaza.

“I was meeting one of the hostage’s families the morning of the attack,” Al-Thani said. “They are counting on this (ceasefire) mediation, they have no other hope for that.”

“I think that what Netanyahu has done yesterday, he just killed any hope for those hostages,” the prime minister said.

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2025 at 10:44am:

Quote: The contemptible 'chosen people ' and 'promised land' mythology is as responsible for the failure to achieve a peace settlement as any Muslim fundamentalism. The Muslims are ideologically committed to destroying Israel. But not vice versa. In fact, Israel has created a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and hostile places on earth. In doing so, they have granted local Arab Muslims, roughly 20% of their population, more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country. They would happily live side by side with free, democratic, prosperous Muslim-majority nations. But when those Muslims were given a vote, they voted for war. That's why even Muslim leaders are now blaming Hamas for the ongoing conflict, not Israel.

Not according to this Palestinian !

Are You Saying Israel Is An Apartheid State?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/P3SMahDtp0o


Dave Smith Exposes the Collapse of the Pro-Israel Narrative!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9pB14c9c6t8

The greater issue here is about the supposed security guarantee that US give to its allies.   It seemed that if its Israel bombing you, then there is no security guarantee. 

Nobody said anything when Obama sent military into Pakistan to kill Bin Laden.

Leftists are only upset when Jews kill Islamic terrorists.

Moderate muslims say Hamas are Islamic terrorists leftists ignore them and side with Islamic terrorists.

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tickleandrose wrote on Sep 11^th, 2025 at 9:57pm:

The greater issue here is about the supposed security guarantee that US give to its allies.   It seemed that if its Israel bombing you, then there is no security guarantee.

Qatar aided the strikes .. showed them where to hit...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 12^th, 2025 at 1:44am:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 11th, 2025 at 9:57pm: The greater issue here is about the supposed security guarantee that US give to its allies.   It seemed that if its Israel bombing you, then there is no security guarantee.  Qatar aided the strikes .. showed them where to hit...

Why was there a RAF refuelling plane circling Qatar at the time of the Israeli attack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M3uAcCrxFs

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Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 14^th, 2025 at 11:06pm:

Why was there a RAF refuelling plane circling Qatar at the time of the Israeli attack?

RAF use Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar they refuel UK and Nato planes.

Refuelling after takeoff gives them more range afterburners used in takeoff guzzle the fuel.

Did anyone see funeral in Qatar with 5 coffins draped in Palestine flags after IDF bombed Hamas leaders?

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14^th, 2025 at 11:48pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 14th, 2025 at 11:06pm: Why was there a RAF refuelling plane circling Qatar at the time of the Israeli attack? RAF use Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar they refuel UK and Nato planes. Refuelling after takeoff gives them more range afterburners used in takeoff guzzle the fuel. Did anyone see funeral in Qatar with 5 coffins draped in Palestine flags after IDF bombed Hamas leaders?

And IDF planes ?? No comment from Keir Starmner about this clandestine operation :(

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2025 at 10:44am:

Quote: The contemptible 'chosen people ' and 'promised land' mythology is as responsible for the failure to achieve a peace settlement as any Muslim fundamentalism. The Muslims are ideologically committed to destroying Israel. But not vice versa. In fact, Israel has created a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and hostile places on earth. In doing so, they have granted local Arab Muslims, roughly 20% of their population, more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country. They would happily live side by side with free, democratic, prosperous Muslim-majority nations. But when those Muslims were given a vote, they voted for war. That's why even Muslim leaders are now blaming Hamas for the ongoing conflict, not Israel.

NOT vice versa?

Bombing of civilians in Gaza

Killing of West Bank arabs and theft of their land?

How much of Israel is Arab land stolen from the inhabitants who were driven into the Gaza strip or elsewhere?

Even “Exodus” by Leon Uris, a propaganda tract for Israel, states Palestinians were driven or scared from their homes? Israel is a pirate state.

Zionism = fascism

I am part Jewish but I REALLY hate fascism and that is what I see in action in Gaza AND the West Bank!

I have nothing but admiration for a people kicked out of their land by the Romans who kept their identity and faith for 2000 years. I like stiff-necked bastards, admire them!