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General Discussion >> America >> Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1756842903 Message started by Armchair_Politician on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 5:55am |
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Title: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by Armchair_Politician on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 5:55am
A federal judge ruled Tuesday that President Donald Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth violated federal law by using the US military to help carry out law enforcement activities in and around Los Angeles this summer.
US District Judge Charles Breyer concluded that Trump’s use of thousands of federalized California National Guard members and US Marines to provide protection to federal agents during an aggressive immigration crackdown in the Los Angeles area ran afoul of the Posse Comitatus Act, a 19th Century law that generally prohibits the use of troops for domestic law enforcement purposes. The ruling from Breyer, who held a multi-day trial last month over Trump’s use of the military in the state, comes as the president is weighing whether to send National Guard members to other cities, including ones in California and Illinois. “President Trump and Secretary Hegseth have stated their intention to call National Guard troops into service in other cities across the country,” Breyer wrote in his 52-page opinion, “… thus creating a national police force with the President as its chief.” “The evidence at trial established that Defendants systematically used armed soldiers (whose identity was often obscured by protective armor) and military vehicles to set up protective perimeters and traffic blockades, engage in crowd control, and otherwise demonstrate a military presence in and around Los Angeles. In short, Defendants violated the Posse Comitatus Act,” Breyer wrote. In an effort to stave off further violations of the Posse Comitatus Act in California, Breyer blocked Trump and Hegseth from using troops there for “arrests, apprehensions, searches, seizures, security patrols, traffic control, crowd control, riot control, evidence collection, interrogation, or acting as informants.” The judge paused that part of his ruling until next Friday to give the administration time to appeal it. Though Breyer’s decision to bar Trump and Hegseth from continuing to use the troops in California for law enforcement purposes may stand as a warning shot to them ahead of any similar deployments around the country, his ruling is limited to the Golden State. “Los Angeles was the first US city where President Trump and Secretary Hegseth deployed troops, but not the last,” Breyer wrote. California Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom sued Trump and Hegseth in June after Trump federalized members of his state’s militia in the wake of protests in the LA area over the administration’s hardline immigration policies. “The people of California won much needed accountability against Trump’s ILLEGAL militarization of an American city!” the governor’s office wrote in a post on X after Breyer issued his decision. Breyer, an appointee of former President Bill Clinton who sits in San Fransisco, initially ruled in June that Trump unlawfully called the troops into service and ordered the president to return control of them back to the governor. A federal appeals court later said Trump can maintain control of the troops while the legal challenge plays out. But a major claim at the center of Newsom’s case remained unaddressed by the two courts: whether the troops were violating the Posse Comitatus Act when they did things like accompany federal agents on raids in the LA area or temporarily detain civilians who tried to enter restricted areas. Breyer decided they had. He said in his ruling Tuesday that instructions the troops in California – collectively known as Task Force 51 – were given that said they could set up traffic blockades, maintain protective perimeters or help with crowd control were “incorrect.” The judge said the troops’ presence alongside federal agents, which at times either matched or outnumbered those agents, “pervade the activities of those civilian agents.” “This was intentional – defendants instigated a months-long deployment of the National Guard and Marines to Los Angeles for the purpose of establishing a military presence there and enforcing federal law. Such conduct is a serious violation of the Posse Comitatus Act,” Breyer wrote. “(T)hese violations were part of a top-down, systemic effort by Defendants to use military troops to execute various sectors of federal law (the drug laws and the immigration laws at least) across hundreds of miles and over the course of several months – and counting.” https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/02/politics/national-guard-california-trump-posse-comitatus-act-breyer |
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by Armchair_Politician on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 5:56am
Hardly surprising that the Judge reached this decision - it was clear to anyone with a brain stem that what Trump was/is doing was/is illegal.
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by ProudKangaroo on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 9:44am
We should just report when Trump does something legal... Save everyone's time.
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by greggerypeccary on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 10:46am This administration breaks a different law every day. Trump will die soon, so he'll never face any consequences. Hopefully though, when the Dems are back in the White House, people like Hegseth, RFK, Noem, Gabbard, Kash, et al. will pay for their crimes. |
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by Armchair_Politician on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 11:02am greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 10:46am:
Not soon enough, but regardless, it will take many years to fix the damage he has caused - if it ever can be truly repaired. He is absolutely the worst thing to happen to US politics, period. |
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by greggerypeccary on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 11:21am Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 11:02am:
Yes, certainly not soon enough. I'm sure Melania would agree too. And yes, it will take a decade at least to fix the damage he's done - he truly is one of the worst Americans who have ever lived. I just hope he ignores his doctor's advice and refuses to take his medication and keeps eating Maccas and KFC |
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by Belgarion on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 11:55am
Yet the use of troops in domestic law enforcement has a long history in the US and Trump is hardly the first president to do so. In fact the oath sworn by all US military personnel mentions defending against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
This is just more anti-Trump hysteria. ::) |
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by Armchair_Politician on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 12:09pm Belgarion wrote on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 11:55am:
Is it anti-Trump hysteria that not a single Republican state or city has had the National Guard called in by Trump, only those with Democrat leadership? No, it is not. |
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by ProudKangaroo on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 12:25pm Belgarion wrote on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 11:55am:
They still need to be deployed legally and within the bounds of the Constitution. Trump isn't a dictator, yet. |
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by Armchair_Politician on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 12:30pm ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 12:25pm:
Back in 2020 - almost exactly 5 years ago, Trump said on camera during an interview that the National Guard can ONLY be deployed after a request from the Governor of that state. He said "we have to go by the laws". He was right on that occasion, for once. Fast forward to now, and he is ignoring what he said five years ago. What he is doing is clearly illegal and he obviously knows it but does not care, not since he stacked the U.S. Supreme Court with his appointees. |
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by greggerypeccary on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 1:02pm Belgarion wrote on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 11:55am:
Litterbugs? |
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by Armchair_Politician on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 2:16pm greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 1:02pm:
This is Trump cleaning up D.C. MACA!!!! (Make America Clean Again) |
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by Frank on Mar 8th, 2026 at 2:40pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 5:55am:
"This is the status quo you're expected to accept: we can terminate the supreme leader of Iran despite all his security but we can't deport Somali fraudsters in Minneapolis, can't denaturalise scammers and grifters who openly declare that they despise the country and seek to destroy it, we can't deport illegal thugs and gangsters without mostly female judges with foreign names issuing injunctions.... we can't do anything about the clear and obvious threats in this country right now." https://x.com/amconmag/status/2029248028612211008 Khomenei or Maduro can be taken out quick smart but there's nuffin' doin' about the steady replacement of the population at home. Not in the US, not in the UK, certainly not in Oz. |
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by chimera on Mar 8th, 2026 at 3:07pm Belgarion wrote on Sep 3rd, 2025 at 11:55am:
That is, Renee Good and Alex Pretti? 'domestic enemies are generally understood as anyone (citizens or otherwise) attempting to overthrow the U.S. government or destroy the Constitution through violent or illegal means.' That is, Donald Trump. |
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by Jasin on Mar 8th, 2026 at 4:06pm
As Canadian PM tells Australian Parliament
"WHEN THE RULES (LAWS) FAIL TO PROTECT YOU ANYMORE. YOU MUST DEFEND YOURSELF" That is, Trump is modernising because the OLD Lefty ways don't protect anymore |
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by chimera on Mar 8th, 2026 at 4:18pm
It's the new improved family-size US Military with white cleansing and great power. Don't be yesterday's Vietnam, Afghanistan and Yemen. Buy Gulf of America and ICE for victory in Minnesota.
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by Jasin on Mar 8th, 2026 at 4:19pm
USA isn't invading Iran.
It's just immigration into Iran |
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by Jasin on Mar 8th, 2026 at 4:21pm
White people crossed a border back in 1788 into Australia apparently,
making it an INVASION, as said by Aborigines |
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by chimera on Mar 8th, 2026 at 4:26pm Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2026 at 4:19pm:
The Precision Strike Missile is a US swamp bird that migrates each Spring to Iran's Zagros mountains. Known for their ginger face and red cap they dig holes raising dust until total surrender. |
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Title: Re: Judge: use of US military in LA is illegal Post by Jasin on Mar 8th, 2026 at 4:30pm
SICARIO ;D ;D ;)
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