Two police officers confirmed dead after shooting north-east of Melbourne

Two police officers are dead after a shooting at a rural property in Porepunkah in north-east Victoria.




Porepunkah is a town in northeast Victoria, Australia on the Great Alpine Road, at the foot of Mount Buffalo 320 kilometres northeast of the state capital, Melbourne and 5 kilometres northwest of Bright.

The Australian Federal Police Association (AFPA) has separately confirmed that two officers are deceased and one has been wounded after police executed a warrant at a rural property in Porepunkah.

Reading the links it seems the incident is still going on.

Belgarion wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 2:21pm:

Reading the links it seems the incident is still going on.

Yeah.

I think the shooter is on the run.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-26/victoria-police-incident-porepunkah-injured-missing/105698228

In short:

Two police officers have died and another has been wounded after a shooting at a property in Porepunkah, near Bright in Victoria's north-east.

A large operation involving dozens of police units is underway and people have been urged to avoid the area.

What's next?
Police are expected to provide an update late on Tuesday afternoon.

Channel 9 news says the gunman has taken hostages.


It says here:

https://www.9news.com.au/national/porepunkah-victoria-police-shooting-live-updates-latest-news-headlines/7dcdf6e1-5c00-4554-8d22-cc74f2e1f007

Alleged shooter on the run

By April Glover    15:23

The alleged offender remains on the run and is not alone.

There are reports that several family members, including children, are with him.

The police know who the shooter is, yet they haven't released his or her name or photo.

Seems a bit strange.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 4:40pm:

The police know who the shooter is, yet they haven't released his or her name or photo. Seems a bit strange.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/porepunkah-victoria-police-shooting-live-updates-latest-news-headlines/7dcdf6e1-5c00-4554-8d22-cc74f2e1f007

Accused gunman is a 'sovereign citizen'

By April Glover   16:04

The accused Porepunkah gunman is thought to be a so-called "sovereign citizen", 9News reports.

According to the Australian Federal Police, a sovereign citizen – also known as a SovCit – seeks to "disassociate from society and refuses to engage with societal requirements like paying tax".

The offender remains on the run and there are reports that several family members, including children, are with him.

Dozens of police officers have descended on Porepunkah, including members of the Special Operations Group.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 4:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 4:40pm: The police know who the shooter is, yet they haven't released his or her name or photo. Seems a bit strange. https://www.9news.com.au/national/porepunkah-victoria-police-shooting-live-updates-latest-news-headlines/7dcdf6e1-5c00-4554-8d22-cc74f2e1f007 Accused gunman is a 'sovereign citizen'

Ah.

My thoughts on SovCits from a few days ago:

"Extremely dangerous, mentally ill morons."

2 police officers gunned down in broad daylight?


hang em and hang em high:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZTe-_yqmhQ

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15033921/Porepunkah-victorian-high-country-police-shooting.html

Local man Dezi Freeman (below) is allegedly on the run with his wife and two children after being suspected of gunning down the two officers 'execution-style' at a farm on Rayner's Track near the base of Mount Buffalo in Victoria's alpine region on Tuesday

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/26/08/101547773-15033921-image-a-1_1756191849739.jpg

Just heard there were 10 police officers attending that property earlier with warrant to arrest sex offender/s.
And the gunman considers himself a sovereign citizen.

Well freedom of certain rights are okay, but being a sex offender and killing others is not anyone’s right!

How long with children is he going to last out in the Alpine region?
He’s put those children’s lives at risk.

I feel sad for the 2 policemen that won’t be going home to families anymore  :'(

SovCit.

Say no more.

I warned everyone about these lunatics just last week.

Anyone who identifies as a SovCit should be arrested and interrogated, as a precaution.

They are mentally ill and very dangerous.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 5:52pm:

SovCit. Say no more. I warned everyone about these lunatics just last week. Anyone who identifies as a SovCit should be arrested and interrogated, as a precaution. They are mentally ill and very dangerous.

Now will you agree that we need to bring back 19th century British justice?

Oh my just saw an extensive story on the guy. Talk about harassed a lot by cops. Since about 2018.
He said somewhere that police were thugs.
Well not all but… it comes to mind that poor kid dropped to the concrete floor at a train station (Bobby has put that vid up) by cops. That kid ended up dying as a result of injuries.

I know someone personally who’s a sov cit and was harassed to the point he put up signs around the fence perimeter of his property as a warning to keep out. Well if you know our shire… it’s the worst one ever… they wouldn’t allow him to build a house on the land, declared it as land slip.
So they had no choice but to sell up and leave.
Lo and behold, the new owners were allowed to build a house on that property in a short time after.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 7:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 5:52pm: SovCit. Say no more. I warned everyone about these lunatics just last week. Anyone who identifies as a SovCit should be arrested and interrogated, as a precaution. They are mentally ill and very dangerous. Now will you agree that we need to bring back 19th century British justice?

Look out Bobby, he thinks he's a prophet, I think he may be trying to usurp your calling.

Setanta wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 7:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 7:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 5:52pm: SovCit. Say no more. I warned everyone about these lunatics just last week. Anyone who identifies as a SovCit should be arrested and interrogated, as a precaution. They are mentally ill and very dangerous. Now will you agree that we need to bring back 19th century British justice? Look out Bobby, he thinks he's a prophet, I think he may be trying to usurp your calling.

A prophet?

Yes - I correctly predicted the End Times which are here now.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 4:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 4:40pm: The police know who the shooter is, yet they haven't released his or her name or photo. Seems a bit strange. https://www.9news.com.au/national/porepunkah-victoria-police-shooting-live-updates-latest-news-headlines/7dcdf6e1-5c00-4554-8d22-cc74f2e1f007 Accused gunman is a 'sovereign citizen' Ah. My thoughts on SovCits from a few days ago: "Extremely dangerous, mentally ill morons."

Not a Port Arthur 'black op' is it?

Sophia wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 7:17pm:

Oh my just saw an extensive story on the guy. Talk about harassed a lot by cops. Since about 2018. He said somewhere that police were thugs. Well not all but… it comes to mind that poor kid dropped to the concrete floor at a train station (Bobby has put that vid up) by cops. That kid ended up dying as a result of injuries. I know someone personally who’s a sov cit and was harassed to the point he put up signs around the fence perimeter of his property as a warning to keep out. Well if you know our shire… it’s the worst one ever… they wouldn’t allow him to build a house on the land, declared it as land slip. So they had no choice but to sell up and leave. Lo and behold, the new owners were allowed to build a house on that property in a short time after.

So much for equal Rights.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 7:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 5:52pm: SovCit. Say no more. I warned everyone about these lunatics just last week. Anyone who identifies as a SovCit should be arrested and interrogated, as a precaution. They are mentally ill and very dangerous. Now will you agree that we need to bring back 19th century British justice?

No.

But we need to arrest and interrogate, without violence, everyone who claims to be a SovCit.

They're ticking time bombs.

This guy will resist....

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 8:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 7:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 5:52pm: SovCit. Say no more. I warned everyone about these lunatics just last week. Anyone who identifies as a SovCit should be arrested and interrogated, as a precaution. They are mentally ill and very dangerous. Now will you agree that we need to bring back 19th century British justice? No. But we need to arrest and interrogate, without violence, everyone who claims to be a SovCit. They're ticking time bombs.

2 cops gunned down in broad daylight and you still wouldn't get out the rope.

You're a weak beta male.    ::)

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 8:16pm:

This guy will resist....

He'll probably shoot himself.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 8:19pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 8:16pm: This guy will resist.... He'll probably shoot himself.

Is his family with him?  Risky ...

Some people question why the CIRT wasn't used?

The Critical Incident Response Team.

A safer way to get him is to wait till he went to say the supermarket
and have plain clothes officers arrest him when he is near his car -
on the way out with an armful of groceries.
To go to his home territory when you know he is armed -
sounds like a silly thing to do.

Did they know that he was armed?
There are some reports that he was under  a Firearms suppression order, but being a Sovereign Citizen that wouldn’t apply to him, to his way of thinking.
That’s what makes them so dangerous.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 9:24pm:

Did they know that he was armed? There are some reports that he was under  a Firearms suppression order, but being a Sovereign Citizen that wouldn’t apply to him, to his way of thinking. That’s what makes them so dangerous.

The cops have revealed so few details - we just don't know.

Earlier I wrote from a reporter on tv said it was a warrant for sex offender… that was so wrong of her to say as it wasn’t the case at all.
This is what it was about….


Ten officers were executing a firearms prohibition order on the suspect on Tuesday morning when three were gunned down as they entered a bus in which the man – who locals have described as a “hippie” and a sovereign citizen, someone who claims not to be covered by the law – lived on an isolated property. Police have described the shooting as an ambush.

This guy with his family had lived on an isolated property and past video footage of interviews showed this …. how it was their little slice of paradise. He didn’t want to be harassed.
There’s a lot coming out now about police bullying towards him… especially during Dictator Dan’s reign of red back police bullies during early covid 20’s.
It kind of twigged.
And then there was a notice served to HanDan for treason.
Things really ramped up with the harassment’s after that.
I was at a rally on parliament steps with many others. There was this suspicious looking mid age Chinese male photographer taking facial photos of everyone.
Is that for facial recognition and harassment later?

Sophia wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 9:59pm:

Earlier I wrote from a reporter on tv said it was a warrant for sex offender… that was so wrong of her to say as it wasn’t the case at all. This is what it was about…. Ten officers were executing a firearms prohibition order on the suspect on Tuesday morning when three were gunned down as they entered a bus in which the man – who locals have described as a “hippie” and a sovereign citizen, someone who claims not to be covered by the law – lived on an isolated property. Police have described the shooting as an ambush.

He did not have a firearms license guns were unregistered.

If he was already under Firearm Prohibition Order the Police can rock up anytime and search his home without a warrant.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 8:54pm:

Some people question why the CIRT wasn't used? The Critical Incident Response Team. A safer way to get him is to wait till he went to say the supermarket and have plain clothes officers arrest him when he is near his car - on the way out with an armful of groceries. To go to his home territory when you know he is armed - sounds like a silly thing to do.

Surely the senior cops mucked up the risk assessment for this job?

I assume they knew there was a risk he had firearms otherwise
they wouldn't send 10 cops there?
I see busts all the time on TV and I feel sorry for the police who have to do them.
They put their lives on the line when they bust down someone's door -
if a crook is behind the door with a rifle, they are goners -
no bullet proof vest will protect them.

The senior cops need to get a bit smarter -
as I said -
catching someone as they leave a supermarket with an armful of groceries
would be a much better time to pounce -
using undercover cops who can easily hide in the dozens or 100s of cars in those areas.
Catch them by surprise when you can see they are unarmed and vulnerable.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-work-that-turns-deadly-20250826-p5mq06.html


When police headed to Porepunkah to deliver a warrant, they had conducted a risk assessment, checking for any prior convictions and previous behaviour of the resident.

He was known to be eccentric, a “sovereign citizen”, a sucker for conspiracy theories and a hater of police, blaming them for some of his problems. All would be flagged on the police computer system to forewarn those who would deal with him.


He changed his name to Dezi Freeman to reflect his bizarre political convictions. He is a man who believes the rules don’t apply to him and that he is a persecuted victim. In short, he is a weirdo with a grudge. But being a weirdo with a grudge doesn’t make you a killer.

Clearly police were wary, with 10 officers assigned for the job, probably to help search the property or respond if things became ugly. This was a job they knew could go nasty, but no one thought it would turn deadly.

And it did turn deadly within moments of the police entering the property. It’s early days in the investigation but planned or unplanned, this looks like an ambush.

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It is understood police had previously seized weapons from Freeman, but it’s believed he still had a homemade shotgun and a high-powered hunting rifle.

Risks are graded. High risk may require SOG, critical incident response team or public order response team support.

Inquiries into how this case was graded and the allocation of resources will be conducted in the weeks and months ahead.

Police, uniformed and detectives, went to the property to deliver a summons and conduct a search.

And then it happened. While details are scarce, it is alleged the suspect opened fire, killing two police and injuring a third.

He lived on a bus on the property behind a security gate. He allegedly shot and killed two officers as they entered.

Police have yet to release the names of the two police killed but it is understood one was a much loved local detective, 59, weeks from retirement, and the second, a Melbourne officer, 35, working in the area on temporary secondment.

It is believed Freeman took one police 40-calibre Smith and Wesson semi-automatic pistol with 30 rounds of ammunition from a fatally wounded officer.

A third officer, shot in the thigh, was able to take shelter. Even though there were seven police there, it took an hour for an extraction team to rescue him due to the ongoing risk from Freeman. The injured policeman, a local officer, has been flown to The Alfred hospital for surgery.

An SOG crew, including specialist snipers, was flown by helicopter to the scene. There are now hundreds of police involved in the hunt.

Porepunkah was placed in lockdown with the killer fleeing into the bush. This will make the SOG manhunt complex. Chief Commissioner Mike Bush says he wants the matter resolved peacefully with the arrest of the suspect. That will entirely be a matter for Freeman.

The property is heavily wooded. Police will search knowing the offender may have already set up ambush points, built hidden camps and possibly booby-trapped areas.

The initial police report suggested an ambush, similar to the Queensland extremist Christian attack carried out by offenders with a sovereign citizen background.

In December 2022 police went to a property in Wieambilla on what they thought was a routine missing persons inquiry.

It was a planned ambush that resulted in constables Matthew Arnold and Rachel McCrow and neighbour Alan Dare being shot dead.

The offenders, brothers Gareth and Nathaniel Train, and Gareth’s wife, Stacey Train, were shot dead by police following a siege.

As in the Queensland attack, it is likely that ASIO will assess whether the Porepunkah shooting was a terrorist act.

Detectives and intelligence experts will ask, was Freeman was waiting for police; was he planning an ambush?


Bush has begun his five-year term with a low-key approach. Now he will need to lead from the front in the most awful circumstances.

It is every chief commissioner’s nightmare. A police funeral with full honours for a member shot on duty.

For Bush, there will be two.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 8:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 8:19pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 8:16pm: This guy will resist.... He'll probably shoot himself. Is his family with him?  Risky ...

No.

He's on his own.

Given the information below it certainly appears to have been poorly planned.

I would suggest that dealing with someone who appears to have a serious mental Illness and known to be in possession of high powered firearms is something I would take extremely seriously and I would not be knocking on his front door or walking casually onto his property.

More , much more importantly. These. Officers are just like us, they leave behind grieving families and didn’t deserve to die . They were at work and there work involved keeping us all safe.

It’s a tragedy.

The only positive I can take from this is that they have quite possibly saved dozens of people from being shot , the man is certainly unhinged and has proven to be killer.
What  he may have been planning could have been a mass  shooting event?

I suspect his got a plan and has slipped away into the bush.

I hope that those searching know a little about traps.

Sophia wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 7:17pm:

Oh my just saw an extensive story on the guy. Talk about harassed a lot by cops. Since about 2018. He said somewhere that police were thugs. Well not all but… it comes to mind that poor kid dropped to the concrete floor at a train station (Bobby has put that vid up) by cops. That kid ended up dying as a result of injuries. I know someone personally who’s a sov cit and was harassed to the point he put up signs around the fence perimeter of his property as a warning to keep out. Well if you know our shire… it’s the worst one ever… they wouldn’t allow him to build a house on the land, declared it as land slip. So they had no choice but to sell up and leave. Lo and behold, the new owners were allowed to build a house on that property in a short time after.

Cops don't harass someone because they are a "sovereign citizen" per se... it's because when -

they pull them over for breaking the law .... like speeding, unlicenced driving, driving unregistered car, failing to provide a sample for a road side breath/drug test, non payment of council rates, failing to appear in court after receiving a summons, etc. etc.

As sovereign citizens they don't believe those regulations or laws apply to them.

I have no sympathy for anyone who does that.

Every example I have seen about issues with so called "sovereign citizens" they have been in the wrong & are just whack jobs.

This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim.

Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses.....

they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022.

The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists.

Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons.

There are many issues with how this event unfolded.

It’s a tragedy.

My thoughts are with the families and colleagues who are suffering right now rather than finding blame.

That will eventually come Im sure.

The only positive is that they may have saved a mass shooting event.

Still, cops are just like us and don’t deserve to die doing their job.

Just like us!

Hopefully we'll see this headline soon:

"Shooter found dead in bush land with self-inflicted gunshot wound"

Victoria police commissioner gives a speech.

Video:

https://7news.com.au/news/dezi-freeman-manhunt-the-four-months-i-spent-talking-to-accused-cop-killer-c-19822214




He got his guns back:


A month later, Dezi was back in court trying to settle one of his feuds.

At the time, I believed it was another inconsequential update to the life of Dezi Freeman.

But now, it’s perhaps the most consequential decision a Magistrate has ever made in the Wangaratta Courthouse.

“Hi Luke. Yesterday we had a victory in Wang Court.
The Magistrate rejected (the) application to take my firearms ... The tide is turning.”

Bobby. wrote on Aug 27^th, 2025 at 4:10pm:

A month later, Dezi was back in court trying to settle one of his feuds. At the time, I believed it was another inconsequential update to the life of Dezi Freeman. But now, it’s perhaps the most consequential decision a Magistrate has ever made in the Wangaratta Courthouse. I “Hi Luke. Yesterday we had a victory in Wang Court. The Magistrate rejected (the) application to take my firearms ... The tide is turning.”

Any update on the “ magistrate “ name would be most welcome!

Funny how our court ruins lives but don’t put a name to their terrible decisions ?

Gnads wrote on Aug 27^th, 2025 at 12:57pm:

Sophia wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 7:17pm: Oh my just saw an extensive story on the guy. Talk about harassed a lot by cops. Since about 2018. He said somewhere that police were thugs. Well not all but… it comes to mind that poor kid dropped to the concrete floor at a train station (Bobby has put that vid up) by cops. That kid ended up dying as a result of injuries. I know someone personally who’s a sov cit and was harassed to the point he put up signs around the fence perimeter of his property as a warning to keep out. Well if you know our shire… it’s the worst one ever… they wouldn’t allow him to build a house on the land, declared it as land slip. So they had no choice but to sell up and leave. Lo and behold, the new owners were allowed to build a house on that property in a short time after. Cops don't harass someone because they are a "sovereign citizen" per se... it's because when - they pull them over for breaking the law .... like speeding, unlicenced driving, driving unregistered car, failing to provide a sample for a road side breath/drug test, non payment of council rates, failing to appear in court after receiving a summons, etc. etc. As sovereign citizens they don't believe those regulations or laws apply to them. I have no sympathy for anyone who does that. Every example I have seen about issues with so called "sovereign citizens" they have been in the wrong & are just whack jobs.

Sounds like a vote for 'this is part of the growing wackiness of the West'.... in the same boat as 'certain other delusional states' that are somehow permitted to be mainstream, since the closure of the psychiatric hospitals and such and government cashing those in for money they wasted anyway.

Perhaps we could build a list of 'delusional states' that are causing so much trouble in the West at this time.

I'll start:-

transgender ideology
Islamophilia and the accompanying guards down
supremacy of 'Indigenous' claims
the belief that Gaza is the victim
sovereign citizenship
feminist supremacism
... there must be others ...

I started that thread on sovereign citizenship to open up discussion of the whys and wherefore of the development of this 'cult'.. this ideology ... this 'set of ideas' which is just like the others - and now - sadly - it seems that was a rather prophetic thing given the recent events... and this issue DOES need a lot of careful thought and some resolutions = even if it means Gon'Mo.... I wouldn't laugh or think Gon'Mo is just a mad dream or a joke..... something has to be done to either deport or inport these dangerous types and quarantine them from society.

We can deport Outlanders who cause trouble and violence etc - plenty of those - but our homegrowns can either be banished from the realm and their citizenship stripped or be allowed to run free in Gon'Mo Province... not a prison as such - an open space from which escape is hardly a viable option where they can make the best of things ... the crocs, sharks and Abo guards with traditional weapons and ways see to that.

Gnads wrote on Aug 27^th, 2025 at 1:06pm:

This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim. Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses..... they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022. The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists. Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons.

Sadly, you're right - they didn't learn a thing.

All SovCits should be considered dangerous, especially those known to have guns.

They must always be treated with extreme caution - they are literally insane and could do anything at any time.

I just hope the shooter does the right thing and uses one of his guns on himself.

I'm almost certain he will.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27^th, 2025 at 5:59pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 1:06pm: This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim. Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses..... they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022. The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists. Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons. Sadly, you're right - they didn't learn a thing. All SovCits should be considered dangerous, especially those known to have guns. They must always be treated with extreme caution - they are literally insane and could do anything at any time. I just hope the shooter does the right thing and uses one of his guns on himself. I'm almost certain he will.

No, not all.
Using the same brush to tar all others is the same as saying the copper that tasered the granny as all cops are thugs and act without due care.

I have just spoken to our friends that are sov citizens and they said, they don’t like the way they keep using that term to describe this man on the run.
They said they have no care for him and said he’s a criminal.
Now our male friend was ex army, and has 2 brothers in the police force. One has retired.

So therefore, saying all sovcits are bad is wrong.

This guy on the run… he’s a criminal first and foremost and shooting people is absolutely abhorrent.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27^th, 2025 at 5:59pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 1:06pm: This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim. Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses..... they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022. The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists. Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons. Sadly, you're right - they didn't learn a thing. All SovCits should be considered dangerous, especially those known to have guns. They must always be treated with extreme caution - they are literally insane and could do anything at any time. I just hope the shooter does the right thing and uses one of his guns on himself. I'm almost certain he will.

Any Sovereign Citizen who is known to have guns will be immediately arrested as a Sovereign Citizen would not, as a matter of principle, apply for a gun licence.

Sophia wrote on Aug 27^th, 2025 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 1:06pm: This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim. Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses..... they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022. The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists. Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons. Sadly, you're right - they didn't learn a thing. All SovCits should be considered dangerous, especially those known to have guns. They must always be treated with extreme caution - they are literally insane and could do anything at any time. I just hope the shooter does the right thing and uses one of his guns on himself. I'm almost certain he will. No, not all. Using the same brush to tar all others is the same as saying the copper that tasered the granny as all cops are thugs and act without due care. I have just spoken to our friends that are sov citizens and they said, they don’t like the way they keep using that term to describe this man on the run. They said they have no care for him and said he’s a criminal. Now our male friend was ex army, and has 2 brothers in the police force. One has retired. So therefore, saying all sovcits are bad is wrong. This guy on the run… he’s a criminal first and foremost and shooting people is absolutely abhorrent.

Shooting people is not absolutely abhorrent, depends on the people involved, if a policeman comes face to face with the criminal and shoots him dead it will be heroic.

Sophia wrote on Aug 27^th, 2025 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 1:06pm: This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim. Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses..... they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022. The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists. Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons. Sadly, you're right - they didn't learn a thing. All SovCits should be considered dangerous, especially those known to have guns. They must always be treated with extreme caution - they are literally insane and could do anything at any time. I just hope the shooter does the right thing and uses one of his guns on himself. I'm almost certain he will. No, not all. Using the same brush to tar all others is the same as saying the copper that tasered the granny as all cops are thugs and act without due care. I have just spoken to our friends that are sov citizens and they said, they don’t like the way they keep using that term to describe this man on the run. They said they have no care for him and said he’s a criminal. Now our male friend was ex army, and has 2 brothers in the police force. One has retired. So therefore, saying all sovcits are bad is wrong. This guy on the run… he’s a criminal first and foremost and shooting people is absolutely abhorrent.

No one said or suggested that.... though a sovereign citizen might.

Sovereign citizens that make the headlines have proven they are bad - and it's for all the wrong reasons.

So if your friends don't fit the mold as to these types then they're not really a sovereign citizen type.

They are just more your disgruntled citizen .....

and in this day and age with what's going on - who is not?  :)

Bobby. wrote on Aug 27^th, 2025 at 4:10pm:

He got his guns back: “Hi Luke. Yesterday we had a victory in Wang Court. The Magistrate rejected (the) application to take my firearms ... The tide is turning.”

He had his license revoked.

He was under Firearms Prohibition Order which means he can't own guns and Police can rock up anytime to search him without a warrant.

The 1996 Firearms act says Police can revoke license for not being a fit and proper person


Quote:

The officers came under fire while serving a warrant for alleged historical child sex abuse at a property in Porepunkah, about 300km northeast of Melbourne on Tuesday morning. It’s been reported the officers had been searching for unlicensed guns on a bus at the property which Freeman used as a home. The Herald Sun has reported Freeman, inside the vehicle, pounced on the officers shooting them with a shotgun. A police source described it as a “straight-out execution”. He said the alleged gunman was “known to police” and 10 officers attended the residence to execute the warrant following a “robust” risk assessment. He would not say what the warrant was for. https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/police-officer-shot-two-unaccounted-for-after-incident-in-victoria/news-story/f86aa60d804d0b31c42c89232d9625b4

10 police officers were there due to risk assessment.

Basic body armour protects against .22s shotguns and handguns it gets complicated to protect against rifles with body armour.

He was on ACA 6 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R7OG35z2Rs

Sophia wrote on Aug 27^th, 2025 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 1:06pm: This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim. Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses..... they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022. The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists. Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons. Sadly, you're right - they didn't learn a thing. All SovCits should be considered dangerous, especially those known to have guns. They must always be treated with extreme caution - they are literally insane and could do anything at any time. I just hope the shooter does the right thing and uses one of his guns on himself. I'm almost certain he will. No, not all. Using the same brush to tar all others is the same as saying the copper that tasered the granny as all cops are thugs and act without due care. I have just spoken to our friends that are sov citizens and they said, they don’t like the way they keep using that term to describe this man on the run. They said they have no care for him and said he’s a criminal. Now our male friend was ex army, and has 2 brothers in the police force. One has retired. So therefore, saying all sovcits are bad is wrong. This guy on the run… he’s a criminal first and foremost and shooting people is absolutely abhorrent.

Don't worry, if we were talking about another insane ideology, Islam, Gregg would be taking the opposite tack.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 27^th, 2025 at 7:25pm:

Sophia wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 6:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 1:06pm: This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim. Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses..... they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022. The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists. Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons. Sadly, you're right - they didn't learn a thing. All SovCits should be considered dangerous, especially those known to have guns. They must always be treated with extreme caution - they are literally insane and could do anything at any time. I just hope the shooter does the right thing and uses one of his guns on himself. I'm almost certain he will. No, not all. Using the same brush to tar all others is the same as saying the copper that tasered the granny as all cops are thugs and act without due care. I have just spoken to our friends that are sov citizens and they said, they don’t like the way they keep using that term to describe this man on the run. They said they have no care for him and said he’s a criminal. Now our male friend was ex army, and has 2 brothers in the police force. One has retired. So therefore, saying all sovcits are bad is wrong. This guy on the run… he’s a criminal first and foremost and shooting people is absolutely abhorrent. Shooting people is not absolutely abhorrent, depends on the people involved, if a policeman comes face to face with the criminal and shoots him dead it will be heroic.

I would’ve thought that some years ago, but when we were selling a boat … a couple blokes came from Newcastle to buy it (we are in Vic)
One was a copper, the other an ex copper. He left the force because he did shoot someone dead in the line of duty. I thought oh yeah… cool but he went on to say how it affected him for a long time and couldn’t stay in the police force anymore.
It’s not always clean cut heroic-easy-get-over-it stuff after all unless one is a psychopath anyway.
That made me realise how difficult it would be for a policeman to have to draw a gun and shoot or be killed.
It’s a negative job. I feel for the families of those 2 policemen that have died. One was about to retire too.

Gnads wrote on Aug 27^th, 2025 at 7:37pm:

Sophia wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 6:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 1:06pm: This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim. Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses..... they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022. The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists. Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons. Sadly, you're right - they didn't learn a thing. All SovCits should be considered dangerous, especially those known to have guns. They must always be treated with extreme caution - they are literally insane and could do anything at any time. I just hope the shooter does the right thing and uses one of his guns on himself. I'm almost certain he will. No, not all. Using the same brush to tar all others is the same as saying the copper that tasered the granny as all cops are thugs and act without due care. I have just spoken to our friends that are sov citizens and they said, they don’t like the way they keep using that term to describe this man on the run. They said they have no care for him and said he’s a criminal. Now our male friend was ex army, and has 2 brothers in the police force. One has retired. So therefore, saying all sovcits are bad is wrong. This guy on the run… he’s a criminal first and foremost and shooting people is absolutely abhorrent. No one said or suggested that.... though a sovereign citizen might. Sovereign citizens that make the headlines have proven they are bad - and it's for all the wrong reasons. So if your friends don't fit the mold as to these types then they're not really a sovereign citizen type. They are just more your disgruntled citizen ..... and in this day and age with what's going on - who is not?  :)

Oh yes, disgruntled enough to exercise rights, freeman, name in capitals, whatever else was said, it just goes in one ear and out the other with me.  ;D
He’s a fighter, he’s got a 3rd Dan black belt taekwondo.
He has guns.
Now… about 5 years before we had that gun amnesty … he had guns the cops wanted him to hand in… so he did. He had a receipt of having handed them in etc.

Well get this…. talk about corruption in the police force… his gun ended up resurfacing 2 years later in Tasmania!  :o

It was found out some coppers were stashing these guns handed in so they on sold them! Black market!

Since then, when guns are handed in… there’s a big window/glass barrier, where you see your gun being destroyed.
I saw this…when we handed in our pump action shot gun.

Some issues with official story Vic police aren't reliable when you look at how they handled covid.

10 Police couldn't take 1 guy, how did he get away from the other 7 cops while carrying a huge arsenal?
If he was carrying so many weapons and ran away, surely the other police should have been able to shoot at him or run after him. You can't fire a rifle/shotgun if your hands are full of other weapons

Police claim he took pistols and radios from officers he killed.
They also claim he has several guns yet they had no idea of what guns he had when they executed warrant.

It's hard enough trekking through thick bush with one rifle and backpack yet the police want us to believe he is carrying multiple guns while he ran away from 7 other police officers.

Police Choppers have thermal cameras why haven't they located him ?

The police want us to believe he ran off into the bush like Rambo while carrying a huge arsenal while none of the other 7 police officers on the scene saw where he went?

It doesn't add up it's either a massive cock up by the police or they aren't being honest with us.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-27/alleged-porepunkah-shooter-dezi-freeman-gun-licence/105704656

Suspected Porepunkah gunman Dezi Freeman
stripped of gun licence prior to police shooting.


5h ago


In short:

Alleged gunman Dezi Freeman last year told the Supreme Court his firearms licence had been cancelled while appearing in court on another matter.

Mr Freeman identified himself to the court as a disability pensioner and claimed his family was persecuted by the state.

What's next?
Police are continuing a significant search for Mr Freeman, who is believed to be armed and dangerous, after two police officers were shot dead and another seriously injured at his rural property on Tuesday.

A victim of a 'personal vendetta'
Mr Freeman last year launched a Supreme Court challenge after his drivers licence was cancelled and he was disqualified from driving for two years after being convicted of speeding, refusing to submit to a drug test and using a mobile phone while driving.

Mr Freeman, who was born Desmond Filby, told the Supreme Court he and his family were the victims of "malicious prosecution" and "personal vendetta" after he was stopped for speeding outside a fish and chip shop.

According to the court, the incident sparked a heated exchange with Mr Freeman who ultimately drove off without completing a drug test while simultaneously filming the officers who pulled him up.

"I had my firearms licences cancelled and lost my club membership," Mr Freeman told the Supreme Court, which ultimately struck down the challenge.

"We endured four acts of criminal trespass and harassment on our home by police and I have been dragged through four years of court hearings."

Victoria Police declined to comment on whether Mr Freeman had his gun licence cancelled.

Court records obtained by the ABC paint the picture of a man who felt deeply wronged by police, who he previously described as "terrorist thugs" and "friggin' Nazis".

Sophia wrote on Aug 27^th, 2025 at 10:26pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 7:25pm: Sophia wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 6:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 1:06pm: This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim. Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses..... they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022. The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists. Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons. Sadly, you're right - they didn't learn a thing. All SovCits should be considered dangerous, especially those known to have guns. They must always be treated with extreme caution - they are literally insane and could do anything at any time. I just hope the shooter does the right thing and uses one of his guns on himself. I'm almost certain he will. No, not all. Using the same brush to tar all others is the same as saying the copper that tasered the granny as all cops are thugs and act without due care. I have just spoken to our friends that are sov citizens and they said, they don’t like the way they keep using that term to describe this man on the run. They said they have no care for him and said he’s a criminal. Now our male friend was ex army, and has 2 brothers in the police force. One has retired. So therefore, saying all sovcits are bad is wrong. This guy on the run… he’s a criminal first and foremost and shooting people is absolutely abhorrent. Shooting people is not absolutely abhorrent, depends on the people involved, if a policeman comes face to face with the criminal and shoots him dead it will be heroic. I would’ve thought that some years ago, but when we were selling a boat … a couple blokes came from Newcastle to buy it (we are in Vic) One was a copper, the other an ex copper. He left the force because he did shoot someone dead in the line of duty. I thought oh yeah… cool but he went on to say how it affected him for a long time and couldn’t stay in the police force anymore. It’s not always clean cut heroic-easy-get-over-it stuff after all unless one is a psychopath anyway. That made me realise how difficult it would be for a policeman to have to draw a gun and shoot or be killed. It’s a negative job. I feel for the families of those 2 policemen that have died. One was about to retire too.

I feel for the families and friends and fellow officers as well.and all the speculation is not helping.
It’s worth remembering that it is almost impossible to not suffer casualties in a well laid ambush, the first inkling comes with the first shot.
I
There have been thousands of Australians who killed in the line of duty and they didn’t kill criminals but ordinaty blokes like themselves, and only a tiny percentage ever let it worry them.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 27^th, 2025 at 11:13pm:

Suspected Porepunkah gunman Dezi Freeman stripped of gun licence prior to police shooting. 5h ago In short: Alleged gunman Dezi Freeman last year told the Supreme Court his firearms licence had been cancelled while appearing in court on another matter. . "I had my firearms licences cancelled and lost my club membership," Mr Freeman told the Supreme Court, which ultimately struck down the challenge. Victoria Police declined to comment on whether Mr Freeman had his gun licence cancelled.

Victoria police know if he had his gun license cancelled why would they decline to comment on this?

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2025 at 10:55pm:

Some issues with official story Vic police aren't reliable when you look at how they handled covid. 10 Police couldn't take 1 guy, how did he get away from the other 7 cops while carrying a huge arsenal? If he was carrying so many weapons and ran away, surely the other police should have been able to shoot at him or run after him. You can't fire a rifle/shotgun if your hands are full of other weapons Police claim he took pistols and radios from officers he killed. They also claim he has several guns yet they had no idea of what guns he had when they executed warrant. It's hard enough trekking through thick bush with one rifle and backpack yet the police want us to believe he is carrying multiple guns while he ran away from 7 other police officers. Police Choppers have thermal cameras why haven't they located him ? The police want us to believe he ran off into the bush like Rambo while carrying a huge arsenal while none of the other 7 police officers on the scene saw where he went? It doesn't add up it's either a massive cock up by the police or they aren't being honest with us.

The very question I thought of when I saw them big helicopters on the news.
From what I heard, the fugitive has a good knowledge of bush skills and especially the Alpine region… where there are many caves apparently.

And you write ~~

10 Police couldn't take 1 guy, how did he get away from the other 7 cops while carrying a huge arsenal?
If he was carrying so many weapons and ran away, surely the other police should have been able to shoot at him or run after him. You can't fire a rifle/shotgun if your hands are full of other weapons

And I ponder how…and don’t forget with wife and kid/s. So how did he get away?
Or maybe his family were used as a shield for him to not get shot at while on the move?

Seems like they need to call in the Army.

Surely they have superior skills when it comes to finding someone in thick bush-land.

The "couldn't be taken by 10 cops" line is misleading.

A number of the police personnel were from the sex offenders investigation unit because this dirt-bag nutter was being served on matters relating to sexual offending against children under the age of 15.

What's the bet that this nutter kills himself?

He will cop life imprisonment without parole if he is caught alive.

The reports are a as a skilled bushman he could travel 15 kms per day.

Looking at this map of a 30km radius, and with a metre of snow predicted in snowy region… I’m looking at the map and get a feeling he could be heading towards Beechworth. (Outlaw Ned Kelly region)

Ned Kelly escaped to the bush, reappearing at sunrise to try to rescue his brother. This time, police shot Kelly where he was most vulnerable, taking out his legs in a volley of bullets that finally brought the dramatic siege to an end. Kelly's preliminary hearing was held in the Beechworth Courthouse in August 1880.

I’m reading some reports he was living in a caravan?
It was mentioned cops were ambushed from a caravan.

And as there’s one door in a caravan … was that door facing away from the main driveway entry towards the bush land for fast getaway?
Didn’t the cops flank the place?
10 cops, surely not all from the sex offensive team?

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Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 28^th, 2025 at 11:03am:

The "couldn't be taken by 10 cops" line is misleading. A number of the police personnel were from the sex offenders investigation unit because this dirt-bag nutter was being served on matters relating to sexual offending against children under the age of 15. What's the bet that this nutter kills himself? He will cop life imprisonment without parole if he is caught alive.

Yep, I said that from day one.

Hopefully we'll see this headline soon: "Shooter found dead in thick bush-land with self-inflicted gunshot wound"

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28^th, 2025 at 12:32pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 28th, 2025 at 11:03am: The "couldn't be taken by 10 cops" line is misleading. A number of the police personnel were from the sex offenders investigation unit because this dirt-bag nutter was being served on matters relating to sexual offending against children under the age of 15. What's the bet that this nutter kills himself? He will cop life imprisonment without parole if he is caught alive. Yep, I said that from day one. Hopefully we'll see this headline soon: "Shooter found dead in thick bush-land with self-inflicted gunshot wound"

If so, would he have done it earlier rather than later? Hence why maybe thermal imaging isn’t showing up for those helicopters?
Also, maybe suicides in a way they never find his body so it remains a long standing mystery? Much like those 3 girls went missing on Valentine’s Day 1900 and were never found at Hanging Rock.

Why is nothing being said about his wife and family the police earlier said he took as “hostages” ?

Are they all going to be dead or never found or maybe remains are found ?

Sophia wrote on Aug 28^th, 2025 at 12:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2025 at 12:32pm: Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 28th, 2025 at 11:03am: The "couldn't be taken by 10 cops" line is misleading. A number of the police personnel were from the sex offenders investigation unit because this dirt-bag nutter was being served on matters relating to sexual offending against children under the age of 15. What's the bet that this nutter kills himself? He will cop life imprisonment without parole if he is caught alive. Yep, I said that from day one. Hopefully we'll see this headline soon: "Shooter found dead in thick bush-land with self-inflicted gunshot wound" If so, would he have done it earlier rather than later? Hence why maybe thermal imaging isn’t showing up for those helicopters? Also, maybe suicides in a way they never find his body so it remains a long standing mystery? Much like those 3 girls went missing on Valentine’s Day 1900 and were never found at Hanging Rock. Why is nothing being said about his wife and family the police earlier said he took as “hostages” ? Are they all going to be dead or never found or maybe remains are found ?

His family is safe with authorities.

"The partner and children of Dezi Freeman, accused of killing two police officers in rural Porepunkah in Victoria, Australia, were interviewed by detectives on Tuesday, authorities confirmed."

Why didn’t the surviving police immediately return fire and/or run after him?
Probably because, not being stupid, they went to ground or got behind other cover until they could assess the situation, this was real life not a movie.

Also as he was able to take the murdered policemen’s weapons then the police party may have been split up and obviously he didn’t fire from a caravan and get out the door on the opposite side to the police.

According to some reports his family were not with him, and the search warrant was for weapons not sexual offences.
Media reports need to be taken as very suspect.

As for how did he move with multiple weapons,. . . .
slings

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28^th, 2025 at 12:49pm:

Sophia wrote on Aug 28th, 2025 at 12:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2025 at 12:32pm: Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 28th, 2025 at 11:03am: The "couldn't be taken by 10 cops" line is misleading. A number of the police personnel were from the sex offenders investigation unit because this dirt-bag nutter was being served on matters relating to sexual offending against children under the age of 15. What's the bet that this nutter kills himself? He will cop life imprisonment without parole if he is caught alive. Yep, I said that from day one. Hopefully we'll see this headline soon: "Shooter found dead in thick bush-land with self-inflicted gunshot wound" If so, would he have done it earlier rather than later? Hence why maybe thermal imaging isn’t showing up for those helicopters? Also, maybe suicides in a way they never find his body so it remains a long standing mystery? Much like those 3 girls went missing on Valentine’s Day 1900 and were never found at Hanging Rock. Why is nothing being said about his wife and family the police earlier said he took as “hostages” ? Are they all going to be dead or never found or maybe remains are found ? His family is safe with authorities. "The partner and children of Dezi Freeman, accused of killing two police officers in rural Porepunkah in Victoria, Australia, were interviewed by detectives on Tuesday, authorities confirmed."

Thanks Greg. Last I heard was he took them as hostages… then nothing.

My heart cries after this story  :'(

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-28/tribute-to-police-officer-neal-thompson-shot-dead-porepunkah/105707038

This is a beautiful photo of the now deceased police officer with his dog.  :-[

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Sophia,
‘’ If so, would he have done it earlier rather than later? Hence why maybe thermal imaging isn’t showing up for those helicopters?
Also, maybe suicides in a way they never find his body so it remains a long standing mystery? Much like those 3 girls went missing on Valentine’s Day 1900 and were never found at Hanging Rock.’’

No one went missing at Hanging Rock in 1900 or any other time, the story is from a bovel and is pure fiction.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 28^th, 2025 at 3:33pm:

Sophia, ‘’ If so, would he have done it earlier rather than later? Hence why maybe thermal imaging isn’t showing up for those helicopters? Also, maybe suicides in a way they never find his body so it remains a long standing mystery? Much like those 3 girls went missing on Valentine’s Day 1900 and were never found at Hanging Rock.’’ No one went missing at Hanging Rock in 1900 or any other time, the story is from a bovel and is pure fiction.

Well maybe not all those details in the novel but….taken from this explanation below….

Unsolved crimes

Just because there aren’t any records of the exact disappearances or murders referenced in the book, doesn’t mean there were never rumours they occurred. In fact, the book and movie drove such interest that Yvonne Rousseau wrote a book, The Murders at Hanging Rock, about possible solutions and answers.

The author of the original book, Joan Lindsay, was the subject of a biography, investigating how she came to write the book and whether it had any basis in fact. The author of that biography, Janelle McCulloch, notes that some students who attended the school the book is based on believe that the crimes did occur, and that the stories might have based on a case of two girls who went missing around 1800s.

‘’ A number of the police personnel were from the sex offenders investigation unit because this dirt-bag nutter was being served on matters relating to sexual offending against children under the age of 15.’’
Even if true, what is its relevance?

Sophia wrote on Aug 28^th, 2025 at 4:22pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 28th, 2025 at 3:33pm: Sophia, ‘’ If so, would he have done it earlier rather than later? Hence why maybe thermal imaging isn’t showing up for those helicopters? Also, maybe suicides in a way they never find his body so it remains a long standing mystery? Much like those 3 girls went missing on Valentine’s Day 1900 and were never found at Hanging Rock.’’ No one went missing at Hanging Rock in 1900 or any other time, the story is from a bovel and is pure fiction. Well maybe not all those details in the novel but….taken from this explanation below…. Unsolved crimes Just because there aren’t any records of the exact disappearances or murders referenced in the book, doesn’t mean there were never rumours they occurred. In fact, the book and movie drove such interest that Yvonne Rousseau wrote a book, The Murders at Hanging Rock, about possible solutions and answers. The author of the original book, Joan Lindsay, was the subject of a biography, investigating how she came to write the book and whether it had any basis in fact. The author of that biography, Janelle McCulloch, notes that some students who attended the school the book is based on believe that the crimes did occur, and that the stories might have based on a case of two girls who went missing around 1800s.

So, obviously, Hanging Rock has no relevance, just like your references to Sovereign Citizens that you know. If he proclaimed himself a Sovereign Citizen then he is one, there is no organization of them to which one can apply for membership.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 28^th, 2025 at 5:09pm:

Sophia wrote on Aug 28th, 2025 at 4:22pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 28th, 2025 at 3:33pm: Sophia, ‘’ If so, would he have done it earlier rather than later? Hence why maybe thermal imaging isn’t showing up for those helicopters? Also, maybe suicides in a way they never find his body so it remains a long standing mystery? Much like those 3 girls went missing on Valentine’s Day 1900 and were never found at Hanging Rock.’’ No one went missing at Hanging Rock in 1900 or any other time, the story is from a bovel and is pure fiction. Well maybe not all those details in the novel but….taken from this explanation below…. Unsolved crimes Just because there aren’t any records of the exact disappearances or murders referenced in the book, doesn’t mean there were never rumours they occurred. In fact, the book and movie drove such interest that Yvonne Rousseau wrote a book, The Murders at Hanging Rock, about possible solutions and answers. The author of the original book, Joan Lindsay, was the subject of a biography, investigating how she came to write the book and whether it had any basis in fact. The author of that biography, Janelle McCulloch, notes that some students who attended the school the book is based on believe that the crimes did occur, and that the stories might have based on a case of two girls who went missing around 1800s. So, obviously, Hanging Rock has no relevance, just like your references to Sovereign Citizens that you know. If he proclaimed himself a Sovereign Citizen then he is one, there is no organization of them to which one can apply for membership.

He’s proclaimed whatever he felt in his troubled mind….but we all know he’s a criminal and now cop killer and from some reports, a sex offender. Anything else he proclaims to be is imaginary.
And re: missing in bushland, experts have said he could survive for months.
I’m guessing he would head towards warmer areas like Beechworth, stash his arsenal and walk among tourists incognito. He would have a beard by then. Probably thinner too.

If he said that he is a Sovereign Citizen then he is one, he certainly has a troubled mind, but that is one of the attributes of a Sovereign Citizen.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 28^th, 2025 at 7:48pm:

If he said that he is a Sovereign Citizen then he is one, he certainly has a troubled mind, but that is one of the attributes of a Sovereign Citizen.

Indeed.

SovCits intrinsically have mental health problems.

There is no such thing as a sane SovCit.

I heard on a radio news report this morning......

The Victorian [or a] Police Federation spokesperson stated that....
"THE SAFETY OF POLICE is always our highest priority."

There was little need for those, representatives of the police, to openly state that circumstance.

WHY SO ?

Well, we have all seen.....the TV reports of two Victorian police officers murdered near a small Victorian alpine town.......

It is a terrible crime.

And in the days following that 'incident'......in the MSM TV reporting....we see....that 100's of Victorian police [many serving in Victorian police 'elite' specialist 'groups', descend upon Porepunkah.

In the visual media [MSM TV reporting]......we can observe......that Victorian police [and Victorian government] have committed massive resources, in pursuit of this alleged murderer, Dezi Freeman.

On TV news reports from Porepunkah....we [Australian citizens] can all observe the dozens, and dozens, of police vehicles parked in a long line, one behind the other, on a local road.

Police resources.


.


Q.
But, what about the ONGOING violent gang crime, in the Melbourne suburbs ?

.....AND ITS MANY VICTIMS !!

We have all seen, being reported, day after day, FOR MANY MONTHS,
the massive amounts of violent gang crime, in the Melbourne suburbs.


Q.
What about the safety of the law-abiding citizenry of Victoria,
being the Victorian Police Federations highest priority ?

IT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE.

And.....the Victorian Police Federation has stated that....
THE SAFETY OF POLICE is its highest priority.



I'm not criticising the police.

I'm just asking, why the lives of police.....seem to be, being afforded much more importance,
than the lives and safety of the 'ordinary' [unimportant ???] law-abiding citizenry of Victoria ?

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1750845825/54#54

Quote:

EXCLUSIVE: Dan Andrews is ordered to front court for 'concealing TREASON and fraud' in an extraordinary win by anti-lockdown campaigners who convinced a bush court to accept a private prosecution 14 Dec 2021 Daniel Andrews is accused of 'concealing an overt act of treason' The matter has been listed with the Myrtleford Magistrates Court on Friday Mr Andrews is charged with, but not limited to, concealing treason and fraud Myrtleford is a town in northeast Victoria, 280 km northeast of Melbourne The hearing will take place over video link due to ongoing Covid-19 concerns Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has been summoned to appear before a criminal court on a charge of concealing treason was successfully filed with a court. The charge was successfully filed with the Myrtleford Magistrates' Court and Mr Andrews - or at least his legal representative - is listed to face the court on Friday at 9.30am. While the prosecuting agency on the court record is listed as 'unknown', it is understood anti-lockdown campaigners Jim Rech and photographer Dezi Freeman had the matter listed privately. Daily Mail Australia noted the matter is in fact listed on the court's Electronic Filing Appearance System, which is accessible to the wider community. 'He was charged with, but not limited to, misprision of treason and fraud. And as a result of those charges being filed and served, they were served at his electoral office,' Mr Rach told protesters. 'The police have been given notice … The courts have been told to suppress the listing but we put it out there, we’ve been to the court registrars.' Mr Rech told the mob the Victorian premier faced the 'death penalty' if convicted of treason.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10306595/amp/Victorian-Premier-Daniel-Andrews-listed-court-concealing-TREASON.html

Still wondering how 10 police couldn't take 1 guy.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 28^th, 2025 at 7:48pm:

If he said that he is a Sovereign Citizen then he is one, he certainly has a troubled mind, but that is one of the attributes of a Sovereign Citizen.

Well - I'm glad I brought the subject up a while back... but my aim was to figure out what was behind this thing.... and behind quite a few other cultish ideas ...

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 28^th, 2025 at 9:38pm:

Quote: EXCLUSIVE: Dan Andrews is ordered to front court for 'concealing TREASON and fraud' in an extraordinary win by anti-lockdown campaigners who convinced a bush court to accept a private prosecution 14 Dec 2021 Daniel Andrews is accused of 'concealing an overt act of treason' The matter has been listed with the Myrtleford Magistrates Court on Friday Mr Andrews is charged with, but not limited to, concealing treason and fraud Myrtleford is a town in northeast Victoria, 280 km northeast of Melbourne The hearing will take place over video link due to ongoing Covid-19 concerns Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has been summoned to appear before a criminal court on a charge of concealing treason was successfully filed with a court. The charge was successfully filed with the Myrtleford Magistrates' Court and Mr Andrews - or at least his legal representative - is listed to face the court on Friday at 9.30am. While the prosecuting agency on the court record is listed as 'unknown', it is understood anti-lockdown campaigners Jim Rech and photographer Dezi Freeman had the matter listed privately. Daily Mail Australia noted the matter is in fact listed on the court's Electronic Filing Appearance System, which is accessible to the wider community. 'He was charged with, but not limited to, misprision of treason and fraud. And as a result of those charges being filed and served, they were served at his electoral office,' Mr Rach told protesters. 'The police have been given notice … The courts have been told to suppress the listing but we put it out there, we’ve been to the court registrars.' Mr Rech told the mob the Victorian premier faced the 'death penalty' if convicted of treason.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10306595/amp/Victorian-Premier-Daniel-Andrews-listed-court-concealing-TREASON.html Still wondering how 10 police couldn't take 1 guy.

Complacency - not paranoid enough in opening that door... their training needs to be upgraded.  It's sad, but that's how it is... you'll understand - they need military style training in entering premises.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 28^th, 2025 at 10:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 28th, 2025 at 9:38pm: Quote: EXCLUSIVE: Dan Andrews is ordered to front court for 'concealing TREASON and fraud' in an extraordinary win by anti-lockdown campaigners who convinced a bush court to accept a private prosecution 14 Dec 2021 Daniel Andrews is accused of 'concealing an overt act of treason' The matter has been listed with the Myrtleford Magistrates Court on Friday Mr Andrews is charged with, but not limited to, concealing treason and fraud Myrtleford is a town in northeast Victoria, 280 km northeast of Melbourne The hearing will take place over video link due to ongoing Covid-19 concerns Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has been summoned to appear before a criminal court on a charge of concealing treason was successfully filed with a court. The charge was successfully filed with the Myrtleford Magistrates' Court and Mr Andrews - or at least his legal representative - is listed to face the court on Friday at 9.30am. While the prosecuting agency on the court record is listed as 'unknown', it is understood anti-lockdown campaigners Jim Rech and photographer Dezi Freeman had the matter listed privately. Daily Mail Australia noted the matter is in fact listed on the court's Electronic Filing Appearance System, which is accessible to the wider community. 'He was charged with, but not limited to, misprision of treason and fraud. And as a result of those charges being filed and served, they were served at his electoral office,' Mr Rach told protesters. 'The police have been given notice … The courts have been told to suppress the listing but we put it out there, we’ve been to the court registrars.' Mr Rech told the mob the Victorian premier faced the 'death penalty' if convicted of treason.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10306595/amp/Victorian-Premier-Daniel-Andrews-listed-court-concealing-TREASON.html Still wondering how 10 police couldn't take 1 guy. Complacency - not paranoid enough in opening that door... their training needs to be upgraded.  It's sad, but that's how it is... you'll understand - they need military style training in entering premises.

MY OPINION.......
I would suggest that today, in 2025, in Australia,
there are just as many violent criminals 'in the community',
as there are, behind prison walls.

That circumstance is just plain 'wrong'.

Our society should not 'be' that way.



What is the solution ?

Whatever the solution is, it seems that no one wants 'to touch it' !

A wicked generation.

‘’Still wondering how 10 police couldn't take 1 guy.’’

I think it will come out that they were not all together.
That he was able to take the ambushed Officers weapons indicates this.
Remember these were general duties police not experienced infantrymen

Example.
A good mate, Cedric Charles Ingra was forward scout of a 2RAR patrol in the Malayan Emergency, he was shot in ambush and died a bit later.
He had previously served in 3RAR in Korea so had a lot of experience.
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/R1714451

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 29^th, 2025 at 11:47am:

‘’Still wondering how 10 police couldn't take 1 guy.’’ I think it will come out that they were not all together. That he was able to take the ambushed Officers weapons indicates this. Remember these were general duties police not experienced infantrymen Example. A good mate, Cedric Charles Ingra was forward scout of a 2RAR patrol in the Malayan Emergency, he was shot in ambush and died a bit later. He had previously served in 3RAR in Korea so had a lot of experience. https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/R1714451

They knew what he was like, he had a record for being known by police.
To have 10 coppers go there to apprehend one guy….that speaks volumes in itself they knew what he was like.
I just have this feeling they thought safety in numbers and that he would have no choice but to turn himself in.
I feel also they were not prepared to encounter the resistance with a tragic outcome.
As he’s been arrested many times, thinking it’s just another time the clown is arrested.

It was a shock and surprise to the cops the seriousness so they took cover to assess the new situation at hand.

That’s my take on it, they were not really prepared and didn’t think he would’ve done what he did.

There’s always a first time for everything to change suddenly and I wish the cops took it more seriously. Body armour etc.

Yadda wrote on Aug 28^th, 2025 at 11:10pm:

MY OPINION....... I would suggest that today, in 2025, in Australia, there are just as many violent criminals 'in the community', as there are, behind prison walls. That circumstance is just plain 'wrong'. Our society should not 'be' that way. What is the solution ? Whatever the solution is, it seems that no one wants 'to touch it' ! A wicked generation.

You KNOW my solutions -

1.  Deportation without all this 'appeals' business for Outlanders - you convicted Joe, you go..
2.  Banishment from the realm for citizens born here once shown to be incurable criminals
3.  Gon'Mo for all types under Aboriginal guards in the extremes of The Homeland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQMM_sa1-NQ

Victoria police say they have arrested a 42-year-old woman and a 15-year-old boy, interviewed them and released them “pending further inquiries” in the manhunt for suspected gunman Dezi Freeman in Victoria’s high country.

:-/

Sophia wrote on Aug 29^th, 2025 at 12:27pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 29th, 2025 at 11:47am: ‘’Still wondering how 10 police couldn't take 1 guy.’’ I think it will come out that they were not all together. That he was able to take the ambushed Officers weapons indicates this. Remember these were general duties police not experienced infantrymen Example. A good mate, Cedric Charles Ingra was forward scout of a 2RAR patrol in the Malayan Emergency, he was shot in ambush and died a bit later. He had previously served in 3RAR in Korea so had a lot of experience. https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/R1714451 They knew what he was like, he had a record for being known by police. To have 10 coppers go there to apprehend one guy….that speaks volumes in itself they knew what he was like. I just have this feeling they thought safety in numbers and that he would have no choice but to turn himself in. I feel also they were not prepared to encounter the resistance with a tragic outcome. As he’s been arrested many times, thinking it’s just another time the clown is arrested. It was a shock and surprise to the cops the seriousness so they took cover to assess the new situation at hand. That’s my take on it, they were not really prepared and didn’t think he would’ve done what he did. There’s always a first time for everything to change suddenly and I wish the cops took it more seriously. Body armour etc.

They apparently went to search the place, which explains the numbers; it wasn’t a city apartment.
That he was seemingly able to take the murdered policemen’s weapons indicates that the others were elsewhere.
He was certainly known to police but, it seems, not as a violent offender, more of a nuisance.

Body armour is limited in its usefulness, the type that can be worn with suits or ordinary uniforms will stop ordinary shot pellets and most pistol bullets but a hit from a 12gauge slug will usually put the wearer down for the count.
Low grade body armour is next to useless against the high powered rifles.
https://www.indianarmour.com/ballistic-vests

Apparently there are 450 cops looking for this guy -
and many of them are putting their lives in jeopardy from
the extreme weather conditions:

https://www.weatherzone.com.au/vic/north-east/mount-buller


Quote:

Mount Buller summit Temperature -1.2 C feels like -17.4 C North East for Friday. Cloudy. Very high chance of rain, with possible small hail in the evening. Snow falling above 700 metres. The chance of a thunderstorm in the afternoon and evening. Damaging winds possible in the N. Winds N 25 to 35 km/h turning NW 25 to 40 km/h in the early afternoon.

The wet weather, and high winds could cause hypothermia in a few hours.
That can be fatal.

Search and clear one space at a time using maximum security and force. Obviously they spread out to search, not thinking he would do this.

Can't lay blame - it's easy to say after the event.  It's clear the police went in not expecting things to turn violent... bet they don't ever do that again.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 29^th, 2025 at 3:46pm:

Apparently there are 450 cops looking for this guy - and many of them are putting their lives in jeopardy from the extreme weather conditions: https://www.weatherzone.com.au/vic/north-east/mount-buller Quote: Mount Buller summit Temperature -1.2 C feels like -17.4 C North East for Friday. Cloudy. Very high chance of rain, with possible small hail in the evening. Snow falling above 700 metres. The chance of a thunderstorm in the afternoon and evening. Damaging winds possible in the N. Winds N 25 to 35 km/h turning NW 25 to 40 km/h in the early afternoon. The wet weather, and high winds could cause hypothermia in a few hours. That can be fatal.

Use the choppers and some bang-bangs to flush him into your net... channel him ... that's what the bangs are about... let him think you have a line of searchers coming from X direction and drive him into Y where your people really are.  One chance to surrender.  Bet he's cold or holed up in a cave or something.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 29^th, 2025 at 7:03pm:

Use the choppers and some bang-bangs to flush him into your net... channel him ... that's what the bangs are about... let him think you have a line of searchers coming from X direction and drive him into Y where your people really are.  One chance to surrender.  Bet he's cold or holed up in a cave or something.

Hypothermia:

Unless he has found shelter in a cave and has some hot food
by using say a small gas Primus stove and some tinned food -
and a change into dry clothes he will be dead.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 29^th, 2025 at 3:46pm:

Apparently there are 450 cops looking for this guy - and many of them are putting their lives in jeopardy from the extreme weather conditions: https://www.weatherzone.com.au/vic/north-east/mount-buller Quote: Mount Buller summit Temperature -1.2 C feels like -17.4 C North East for Friday. Cloudy. Very high chance of rain, with possible small hail in the evening. Snow falling above 700 metres. The chance of a thunderstorm in the afternoon and evening. Damaging winds possible in the N. Winds N 25 to 35 km/h turning NW 25 to 40 km/h in the early afternoon. The wet weather, and high winds could cause hypothermia in a few hours. That can be fatal.

As I take the dog outside for a wee in this cold night and I start to feel the bite of this coldness…. I thought those police are going to end up sick with cold/flu from all this!
I hope they are rugged up warm with thermal underwear and hot soup/food available at all times.
It’s very icy cold tonight.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 29^th, 2025 at 7:46pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 29th, 2025 at 7:03pm: Use the choppers and some bang-bangs to flush him into your net... channel him ... that's what the bangs are about... let him think you have a line of searchers coming from X direction and drive him into Y where your people really are.  One chance to surrender.  Bet he's cold or holed up in a cave or something. Hypothermia: Unless he has found shelter in a cave and has some hot food by using say a small gas Primus stove and some tinned food - and a change into dry clothes he will be dead.

Wood fire... smell the smoke... how far can he have traveled before the cordon came down?  Does he smoke?  Bic Lighter.

The family might know if he had some gear like a small stove etc. ... what he was wearing...... favourite spots in the bush .... that's why they were in.  Even if they are not accomplices, it's a chance to gather some useful info.  What camping gear did he have?  Check back and see what's missing, gives an idea how long he might hold out in that weather, and narrows down the potential hidey-holes.

Hope they're watching his home to ensure he doesn't sneak back for some gear.

It all helps.

Hope he's shivering and feeling low.... the longer the better.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 29^th, 2025 at 9:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 29th, 2025 at 7:46pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 29th, 2025 at 7:03pm: Use the choppers and some bang-bangs to flush him into your net... channel him ... that's what the bangs are about... let him think you have a line of searchers coming from X direction and drive him into Y where your people really are.  One chance to surrender.  Bet he's cold or holed up in a cave or something. Hypothermia: Unless he has found shelter in a cave and has some hot food by using say a small gas Primus stove and some tinned food - and a change into dry clothes he will be dead. Wood fire... smell the smoke... how far can he have traveled before the cordon came down?  Does he smoke?  Bic Lighter. The family might know if he had some gear like a small stove etc. ... what he was wearing...... favourite spots in the bush .... that's why they were in.  Even if they are not accomplices, it's a chance to gather some useful info.  What camping gear did he have?  Check back and see what's missing, gives an idea how long he might hold out in that weather, and narrows down the potential hidey-holes. Hope they're watching his home to ensure he doesn't sneak back for some gear. It all helps. Hope he's shivering and feeling low.... the longer the better.

Doesn’t need a fire, and for warmth a decent blanket will do, the trick is to find a warm spot to sleep.
A wombat hole does nicely as does a hollow log, or find the nearest cow and snuggle up, but if she objects then kick her out and sleep on the ground that she has conveniently warmed up and when that spot gets cold, kick another cow.
Sheep are even better, they tend to camp together in cold weather so wriggling into a warm spot is not hard, can be a bit dirty though.

I don't think he's in the bush.

I suspect he's hiding somewhere very close to the scene of the crime.

Maybe in someone else's house.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 12:10pm:

I don't think he's in the bush. I suspect he's hiding somewhere very close to the scene of the crime. Maybe in someone else's house.

Quite probably... the cops will be searching houses.... sheds and such.. in armed teams this time.. full gear ...

Anyone caught harbouring him should get twenty-five to life... time to take the gloves off...

Gon-Mo anyone?  Very cost efficient.... as near escape proof as you can get...  Croc SupperMax...

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 12:10pm:

I don't think he's in the bush. I suspect he's hiding somewhere very close to the scene of the crime. Maybe in someone else's house.

Well, he’s said to be a bushman but he could be a Mongolian soccer star for all the creditably that is due the media coverage.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 12:10pm:

I don't think he's in the bush. I suspect he's hiding somewhere very close to the scene of the crime. Maybe in someone else's house.

That will form part of the investigation.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 12:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 30th, 2025 at 12:10pm: I don't think he's in the bush. I suspect he's hiding somewhere very close to the scene of the crime. Maybe in someone else's house. That will form part of the investigation.

The guy is totally insane, but I don't think he's stupid.

I reckon he ran into the bush, then doubled back.

Probably in someone's basement having a good old laugh.

Hopefully they'll catch the bastard soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coS2CdNd7Io

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 12:10pm:

I don't think he's in the bush. I suspect he's hiding somewhere very close to the scene of the crime. Maybe in someone else's house.

Given the weather this is the most likely scenario. Could even have been transported elsewhere.

Belgarion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 30th, 2025 at 12:10pm: I don't think he's in the bush. I suspect he's hiding somewhere very close to the scene of the crime. Maybe in someone else's house. Given the weather this is the most likely scenario. Could even have been transported elsewhere.

I’ve been thinking he’s in a house or shed/barn somewhere. Whether it’s an occupied house or unoccupied.
But the police have to approach any building with extreme caution that’s for darn sure.
I’d be nervous if I were a cop looking for an armed killer in bushland.

As for maybe being transported somewhere…. Certainly not by vehicle as all roads are blocked. Maybe on back of motor bike through scrublands to another empathisers location (via arranged phone calls between empathisers?) and then transferred further out of the region.

Our imaginations are thinking up so many different scenarios!
I’m certain the task force has thought it all up also.

News reports it’s the biggest manhunt in Australian history.

All roads are blocked but not all tracks, stop thinking modern, on horseback he could be a hundred miles away by now.
Or if modern he’s on a mountain pushbike, virtually soundless.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 2:30pm:

All roads are blocked but not all tracks, stop thinking modern, on horseback he could be a hundred miles away by now. Or if modern he’s on a mountain pushbike, virtually soundless.

Mountain push bike….now that puts another question in mind…can dogs pick up any scent at all if one uses a push bike? Since feet are not touching the ground.

Sophia wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 3:30pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 30th, 2025 at 2:30pm: All roads are blocked but not all tracks, stop thinking modern, on horseback he could be a hundred miles away by now. Or if modern he’s on a mountain pushbike, virtually soundless. Mountain push bike….now that puts another question in mind…can dogs pick up any scent at all if one uses a push bike? Since feet are not touching the ground.

Generally speaking , No, but scent may be left on bushes etc., that the quarry brushes against, all depends on how good the dog is..

On another forum it was suggested that he is a ‘’prepper’’ , as many Sovereign Citizens are, then things become more difficult and complicated.
Preppers are big business and though generally thought of as somewhat eccentric they are usually intelligent and resourceful.
Lots on them on Wikipedia, here’s a sample,
https://preppro.com.au/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22805708617&gbraid=0AAAAAq2-WvU7eIELaZDaFQVtY1dw_dI8p&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiay_sPCxjwMV9A17Bx2PBieXEAMYASAAEgLZ6_D_BwE

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 4:19pm:

Sophia wrote on Aug 30th, 2025 at 3:30pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 30th, 2025 at 2:30pm: All roads are blocked but not all tracks, stop thinking modern, on horseback he could be a hundred miles away by now. Or if modern he’s on a mountain pushbike, virtually soundless. Mountain push bike….now that puts another question in mind…can dogs pick up any scent at all if one uses a push bike? Since feet are not touching the ground. Generally speaking , No, but scent may be left on bushes etc., that the quarry brushes against, all depends on how good the dog is.. On another forum it was suggested that he is a ‘’prepper’’ , as many Sovereign Citizens are, then things become more difficult and complicated. Preppers are big business and though generally thought of as somewhat eccentric they are usually intelligent and resourceful. Lots on them on Wikipedia, here’s a sample, https://preppro.com.au/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22805708617&gbraid=0AAAAAq2-WvU7eIELaZDaFQVtY1dw_dI8p&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiay_sPCxjwMV9A17Bx2PBieXEAMYASAAEgLZ6_D_BwE

While I was searching RE: scents, push bikes etc. I can’t across information saying cayenne pepper can throw a dogs scent off for about 20 minutes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15042099/dezi-freeman-police-hate-list.html


Now Daily Mail can reveal Freeman was at the centre of a 30-strong anti-authority network
that secretly met at his rural property for years.

Members of the group drew up a list of names and ranks of officers they branded 'police thugs'
from the nearby Myrtleford station, openly discussing how to 'name and shame' them.

Anyway - all this searching is rooting out a few Usual Suspects with hidden guns and such...

Sophia wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 7:17pm:

Oh my just saw an extensive story on the guy. Talk about harassed a lot by cops. Since about 2018. He said somewhere that police were thugs. Well not all but… it comes to mind that poor kid dropped to the concrete floor at a train station (Bobby has put that vid up) by cops. That kid ended up dying as a result of injuries.

Good point; some police act badly when their authority is challenged, especially when controlling mass-protest movements.

But re Sov Cits:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1645944963/1200

Why regional Australia is fertile ground for sovereign citizen movement

In short:

A leading expert on extremist and ideological groups says inequality is contributing to the growth of fringe groups in rural and regional Australia.

Deakin University's associate professor Josh Roose says housing shortages and a lack of opportunities are making some people susceptible to groups offering simple solutions to complex problems.

I wouldn't consider being a policeman while the current (systemic) economic and political dysfunction are resulting in the current level of societal breakdown and hyper-partisanship.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2025 at 8:11am:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15042099/dezi-freeman-police-hate-list.html Now Daily Mail can reveal Freeman was at the centre of a 30-strong anti-authority network that secretly met at his rural property for years. Members of the group drew up a list of names and ranks of officers they branded 'police thugs' from the nearby Myrtleford station, openly discussing how to 'name and shame' them.

Well reading that link says as he’s a prepper… he could have a hidden bunker and that could make him hideaway for 12 months maybe 2 years depending on stuff stocked. There’s been absolutely no trace of him.
This is the stuff criminal mystery movies are made of, and we all hold our breaths waiting to hear of a lead of some sort….but instead…nothing!
But wouldn’t his wife and teen kid know about the bunker to be pressed for questions about it?

Sophia wrote on Aug 31^st, 2025 at 5:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 8:11am: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15042099/dezi-freeman-police-hate-list.html Now Daily Mail can reveal Freeman was at the centre of a 30-strong anti-authority network that secretly met at his rural property for years. Members of the group drew up a list of names and ranks of officers they branded 'police thugs' from the nearby Myrtleford station, openly discussing how to 'name and shame' them. Well reading that link says as he’s a prepper… he could have a hidden bunker and that could make him hideaway for 12 months maybe 2 years depending on stuff stocked. But wouldn’t his wife and teen kid know about it?

Dunno.

Another story - the cops are rounding up the usual suspects:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15050987/Stephen-Mallett-Dezi-Freeman-arrest-Porepunkah.html

31.8.25

Doomsday prepper arrested during manhunt for Dezi Freeman shares blunt message
for the accused cop killer - as he blasts the elite tactical squad
'who made him crawl on hands and knees'

A survivalist prepper arrested during the manhunt for Dezi Freeman claims he has absolutely no connection to the accused cop killer. 

Self-described outlaw biker and sovereign citizen Stephen Mallett, 61, claimed more than 10 tactical officers trained their guns on him during his arrest on Friday night.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Sophia wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 5:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 8:11am: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15042099/dezi-freeman-police-hate-list.html Now Daily Mail can reveal Freeman was at the centre of a 30-strong anti-authority network that secretly met at his rural property for years. Members of the group drew up a list of names and ranks of officers they branded 'police thugs' from the nearby Myrtleford station, openly discussing how to 'name and shame' them. Well reading that link says as he’s a prepper… he could have a hidden bunker and that could make him hideaway for 12 months maybe 2 years depending on stuff stocked. But wouldn’t his wife and teen kid know about it? Dunno. Another story - the cops are rounding up the usual suspects: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15050987/Stephen-Mallett-Dezi-Freeman-arrest-Porepunkah.html 31.8.25 Doomsday prepper arrested during manhunt for Dezi Freeman shares blunt message for the accused cop killer - as he blasts the elite tactical squad 'who made him crawl on hands and knees' A survivalist prepper arrested during the manhunt for Dezi Freeman claims he has absolutely no connection to the accused cop killer.  Self-described outlaw biker and sovereign citizen Stephen Mallett, 61, claimed more than 10 tactical officers trained their guns on him during his arrest on Friday night.

Oh wow, that’s scary. That poor old bloke getting picked on. And he has never met Desi and thinks he’s a dickhead.
So why aren’t the police force getting more information out of his wife and teen kid?

Sophia wrote on Aug 31^st, 2025 at 5:52pm:

Oh wow, that’s scary. That poor old bloke getting picked on. And he has never met Desi and thinks he’s a dickhead. So why aren’t the police force getting more information out of his wife and teen kid?

The wife and kids are innocent -
they are victims of that man.
What future have they got now?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2025 at 7:26pm:

Sophia wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 5:52pm: Oh wow, that’s scary. That poor old bloke getting picked on. And he has never met Desi and thinks he’s a dickhead. So why aren’t the police force getting more information out of his wife and teen kid? The wife and kids are innocent - they are victims of that man. What future have they got now?

A much better one, seeing as their husband and father will no longer be in their lives.

He'll either be dead or in prison.

It's a big win for them.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31^st, 2025 at 7:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 7:26pm: Sophia wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 5:52pm: Oh wow, that’s scary. That poor old bloke getting picked on. And he has never met Desi and thinks he’s a dickhead. So why aren’t the police force getting more information out of his wife and teen kid? The wife and kids are innocent - they are victims of that man. What future have they got now? A much better one, seeing as their husband and father will no longer be in their lives. He'll either be dead or in prison. It's a big win for them.

Or else he won’t be found and the wife has to wait out the tlme till he’s legally declared dead and all the stress that goes with that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31^st, 2025 at 7:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 7:26pm: Sophia wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 5:52pm: Oh wow, that’s scary. That poor old bloke getting picked on. And he has never met Desi and thinks he’s a dickhead. So why aren’t the police force getting more information out of his wife and teen kid? The wife and kids are innocent - they are victims of that man. What future have they got now? A much better one, seeing as their husband and father will no longer be in their lives. He'll either be dead or in prison. It's a big win for them.

The kids need a dad who works hard and brings in the money
they'll need to get a good start in life -
support them through university or a trade etc.
Even to provide good guidance and counselling.
His wife will be lonely and not have the support she'll need.
The whole situation is a disaster for his family
and everyone else's family -
the loved ones of the victims who were murdered.
Who will look after them?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2025 at 8:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 7:29pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 7:26pm: Sophia wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 5:52pm: Oh wow, that’s scary. That poor old bloke getting picked on. And he has never met Desi and thinks he’s a dickhead. So why aren’t the police force getting more information out of his wife and teen kid? The wife and kids are innocent - they are victims of that man. What future have they got now? A much better one, seeing as their husband and father will no longer be in their lives. He'll either be dead or in prison. It's a big win for them. The kids need a dad who works hard and brings in the money they'll need to get a good start in life - support them through university or a trade etc. Even to provide good guidance and counselling. His wife will be lonely and not have the support she'll need. The whole situation is a disaster for his family and everyone else's family - the loved ones of the victims who were murdered. Who will look after them?

Get with it Bobby,
We have Social Security in Australia and the families of the murdered police will also get support from the Police Association of Victoria.

Streamed live 85 minutes ago

Superintendent Brett Kahan provides an update on the manhunt for Dezi Freeman
after two police officers were fatally shot in Porepunkah last week.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N5ftGBu_4o

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 1^st, 2025 at 3:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 8:08pm: The kids need a dad who works hard and brings in the money they'll need to get a good start in life - support them through university or a trade etc. Even to provide good guidance and counselling. His wife will be lonely and not have the support she'll need. The whole situation is a disaster for his family and everyone else's family - the loved ones of the victims who were murdered. Who will look after them? Get with it Bobby, We have Social Security in Australia and the families of the murdered police will also get support from the Police Association of Victoria.

A few pennies from social security does not replace a dead provider for their family.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2025 at 4:06pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 1st, 2025 at 3:51pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 8:08pm: The kids need a dad who works hard and brings in the money they'll need to get a good start in life - support them through university or a trade etc. Even to provide good guidance and counselling. His wife will be lonely and not have the support she'll need. The whole situation is a disaster for his family and everyone else's family - the loved ones of the victims who were murdered. Who will look after them? Get with it Bobby, We have Social Security in Australia and the families of the murdered police will also get support from the Police Association of Victoria. A few pennies from social security does not replace a dead provider for their family.

How do you know he was the "provider"?   :-/

He's an insane deadbeat.

The most likely scenario is that his wife works full-time while he stays home and plays with his guns.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 1^st, 2025 at 6:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2025 at 4:06pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 1st, 2025 at 3:51pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 8:08pm: The kids need a dad who works hard and brings in the money they'll need to get a good start in life - support them through university or a trade etc. Even to provide good guidance and counselling. His wife will be lonely and not have the support she'll need. The whole situation is a disaster for his family and everyone else's family - the loved ones of the victims who were murdered. Who will look after them? Get with it Bobby, We have Social Security in Australia and the families of the murdered police will also get support from the Police Association of Victoria. A few pennies from social security does not replace a dead provider for their family. How do you know he was the "provider"?   :-/ He's an insane deadbeat. The most likely scenario is that his wife works full-time while he stays home and plays with his guns.

You have trouble with comprehension.

The whole situation is a disaster for his family
and everyone else's family
the loved ones of the victims who were murdered.

- in other words - the families of the 2 cops who died.

I have noticed something rather disturbing in all the media coverage and general commentary around this incident.  A man who has allegedly killed two policemen, wounded a third and is on the run with their weapons, instaed of being villified is getting a surprising amount of sympathy from a surprisingly large number of people.

The conclusion here seems to be that the state of Victoria is so broken that its government and agencies like the police are now seen as enemies of the people rather than their servants by increasing numbers fed up with the way the place has been run by the Andrews and Allan governments.  The emphasis on the 'sovereign citizen' aspects of Freemans lifestyle and the heavy handed treatment given to a man mistakenly thought to be an associate have only reinforced the beliefs of those who already see the government as the enemy.   :-?

Now the police put out a $1 million dollar reward for his capture.
I wondered how long it would take before they did that.
Gosh maybe we could form our own possie and go find him for that reward. As long as we look like normal non police folk I’m sure we’d spot him  ;D
Just dress up a bit hippy. Undercover cops should take that as a good clue/hint.  :)

He's dead, rotting at the bottom of a disused mineshaft.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6^th, 2025 at 1:05pm:

He's dead, rotting at the bottom of a disused mineshaft.

I think he had some help early on and is now well outside the search area.   

Belgarion wrote on Sep 6^th, 2025 at 1:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6th, 2025 at 1:05pm: He's dead, rotting at the bottom of a disused mineshaft. I think he had some help early on and is now well outside the search area.

Yep.

That's the other plausible possibility.

Hopefully the police are keeping an eye on all known SovCits all over the country.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6^th, 2025 at 1:05pm:

He's dead, rotting at the bottom of a disused mineshaft.

Well - I'd suggest they take away any possible ladders and such and then nuke every site - the only way to be sure...

Disappeared as neatly as the Port Arthur shooters....

https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/police-set-1-million-reward-over-capture-of-fugitive-dezi-freeman-20250906-p5msvi.html

Victoria government offers a million dollars for his arrest and in the next media announcement warning bounty hunters to stay away?


Victoria government works in mysterious ways?


“ Police have warned would-be bounty hunters to stay away from the search for accused police killer Dezi Freeman after a $1 million reward was posted for information leading to the fugitive’s arrest.”

Daves2017 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2025 at 4:14pm:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/police-set-1-million-reward-over-capture-of-fugitive-dezi-freeman-20250906-p5msvi.html Victoria government offers a million dollars for his arrest and in the next media announcement warning bounty hunters to stay away? Victoria government works in mysterious ways? “ Police have warned would-be bounty hunters to stay away from the search for accused police killer Dezi Freeman after a $1 million reward was posted for information leading to the fugitive’s arrest.”

The possibility of bounty hunters is remote, anyone who fancied that would need to be armed and that is against the law , so the warning is not out of place.

It's like the wild West when the posse was sent out to get the bad guy.    :)



What is the meaning of posse?

A posse is group of people who help the police force when necessary.
In a classic Western movie, when the sheriff gathers together a posse,
its members usually work to find and arrest the bad guys.
The classic image of a posse is from the Old West,
of a group of armed cowboys on horses, in pursuit of an outlaw.

Cause if the law didn't hang em the next posse that
goes out would say
hang em and hang em high -
there's no justice in Fort Grant:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZTe-_yqmhQ

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2025 at 6:06pm:

It's like the wild West when the posse was sent out to get the bad guy.    :) What is the meaning of posse? A posse is group of people who help the police force when necessary. In a classic Western movie, when the sheriff gathers together a posse, its members usually work to find and arrest the bad guys. The classic image of a posse is from the Old West, of a group of armed cowboys on horses, in pursuit of an outlaw.

"The term "posse comitatus" is derived from Late Latin, meaning "power of the county". It originates from the medieval common law of England, where it referred to the authority of a sheriff to assemble a group of citizens to enforce the law and maintain public order. "


... everyone considered it... the power of the county... remember that I am sworn not to fight unless in absolute self-defence... there are reasons for that...

I feel there's a message in here somewhere.. perhaps many wheres ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv15QC-Gu8s

Grappler - we need someone to lead the posse on horseback to the mountains.
Are you the man?



Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_comitatus

a group of people mobilized to suppress lawlessness,
defend the people, or otherwise protect the place, property, and public welfare.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 6^th, 2025 at 5:59pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Sep 6th, 2025 at 4:14pm: https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/police-set-1-million-reward-over-capture-of-fugitive-dezi-freeman-20250906-p5msvi.html Victoria government offers a million dollars for his arrest and in the next media announcement warning bounty hunters to stay away? Victoria government works in mysterious ways? “ Police have warned would-be bounty hunters to stay away from the search for accused police killer Dezi Freeman after a $1 million reward was posted for information leading to the fugitive’s arrest.” The possibility of bounty hunters is remote, anyone who fancied that would need to be armed and that is against the law , so the warning is not out of place.

You don’t need to present his head to claim the million.
Just forward his location .

Anyone train in tactical reconnaissance is capable of doing that with nothing more than a iPhone and binoculars.

The police are obviously looking in all the wrong places/states?

Daves2017 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2025 at 8:53pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 6th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Daves2017 wrote on Sep 6th, 2025 at 4:14pm: https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/police-set-1-million-reward-over-capture-of-fugitive-dezi-freeman-20250906-p5msvi.html Victoria government offers a million dollars for his arrest and in the next media announcement warning bounty hunters to stay away? Victoria government works in mysterious ways? “ Police have warned would-be bounty hunters to stay away from the search for accused police killer Dezi Freeman after a $1 million reward was posted for information leading to the fugitive’s arrest.” The possibility of bounty hunters is remote, anyone who fancied that would need to be armed and that is against the law , so the warning is not out of place. You don’t need to present his head to claim the million. Just forward his location . Anyone train in tactical reconnaissance is capable of doing that with nothing more than a iPhone and binoculars. The police are obviously looking in all the wrong places/states?

Exactly! Infra red binoculars (for night viewing) and an iPhone with good satellite coverage.
Dress a bit drungy/hippy and have a half empty bottle of plonk hanging in your coat pocket.
Who’d think you were a threat looking to line your pockets with one mil.

Anyhow… to flush him out…I’m thinking that this reward was aimed at helping to have a change of mind for anyone that’s harbouring him.
He’s probably in their hidden underground bunker, with air tubes going into hollow tree trunks to camouflage them.

So someone is keeping him hidden in their own place, and maybe both are watching the news with this $1 million reward announced… I’m sure Dezi would give a quick nervous side glance at his friend.

BTW… I have infra red night viewer binoculars… everything is green at night, eyeballs of animals or humans are like two little glow balls.

Sophia wrote on Sep 6^th, 2025 at 10:05pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Sep 6th, 2025 at 8:53pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 6th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Daves2017 wrote on Sep 6th, 2025 at 4:14pm: https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/police-set-1-million-reward-over-capture-of-fugitive-dezi-freeman-20250906-p5msvi.html Victoria government offers a million dollars for his arrest and in the next media announcement warning bounty hunters to stay away? Victoria government works in mysterious ways? “ Police have warned would-be bounty hunters to stay away from the search for accused police killer Dezi Freeman after a $1 million reward was posted for information leading to the fugitive’s arrest.” The possibility of bounty hunters is remote, anyone who fancied that would need to be armed and that is against the law , so the warning is not out of place. You don’t need to present his head to claim the million. Just forward his location . Anyone train in tactical reconnaissance is capable of doing that with nothing more than a iPhone and binoculars. The police are obviously looking in all the wrong places/states? Exactly! Infra red binoculars (for night viewing) and an iPhone with good satellite coverage. Dress a bit drungy/hippy and have a half empty bottle of plonk hanging in your coat pocket. Who’d think you were a threat looking to line your pockets with one mil. Anyhow… to flush him out…I’m thinking that this reward was aimed at helping to have a change of mind for anyone that’s harbouring him. He’s probably in their hidden underground bunker, with air tubes going into hollow tree trunks to camouflage them. So someone is keeping him hidden in their own place, and maybe both are watching the news with this $1 million reward announced… I’m sure Dezi would give a quick nervous side glance at his friend. BTW… I have infra red night viewer binoculars… everything is green at night, eyeballs of animals or humans are like two little glow balls.

A recipe for arrest for obstructing the police.

Obstructing? Strange trap via police… ask for help for $1 mil reward …. how is that obstructing if we go bush walking on public land?

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2025 at 6:50pm:

Grappler - we need someone to lead the posse on horseback to the mountains. Are you the man? Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_comitatus a group of people mobilized to suppress lawlessness, defend the people, or otherwise protect the place, property, and public welfare.

That was the origin of the Mafia in Sicily - originally founded on a real need to protect the ordinary people from predatory overlords and land-holders and such (remember that many Crusaders staked a claim in Sicily along the way, too, and imposed their rule and rules by the sword) .... the original Mafia was a kind of 'Antifa' who rose out of the sidewalks to oppose wrong - not that I'm saying that 'antifairies' actually do that - they are the problem not the solution ... did the required deed and then vanished again into the sea of fish swimming in the population current... the original Mafia was a kind of grass-roots revolutionary or insurrection movement, but was hijacked and perverted into criminal overlordship instead.

Remember also how the IRA took over from the London criminal underworld (London having a rather large Irish transplant population etc at the time) by literally bumping off criminal king-pins and 'restoring' the order that the police and courts apparently could not create (living comfortably with it as they were - who cares much if a scrote takes apart another scrote?), thus establishing the IRA as being the true upholders of law and order - same as in Derry etc.... for political advantage ...

These were People Power of a different kind to what we are seeing here at the moment, but sadly - in both cases - hijacked for political purposes and self-advancement...

I have long considered that what this country needs is a dedicated corps of soul-less assassins to wreak right and vengeance on the wrongdoers of ALL kinds... and possibly expanding into the international arena.... but such a thing is a dream and more suited to novels and films....

"The Mah Rung moved in, then moved out... two days later Victorian police found Dezi's body staked to a tree..... not a single trace of evidence to be found anywhere..... and the people spoke darkly of the spirits of the bush .... mysterious lights on the mountains" .....

Sophia wrote on Sep 7^th, 2025 at 9:21am:

Obstructing? Strange trap via police… ask for help for $1 mil reward …. how is that obstructing if we go bush walking on public land?

The police have warned off going into the search area, going against their advice could easily be construed as obstruction.
Not only that but the police search parties are well armed and, no doubt, a bit keyed up.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 7^th, 2025 at 10:35am:

I have long considered that what this country needs is a dedicated corps of soul-less assassins to wreak right and vengeance on the wrongdoers of ALL kinds... and possibly expanding into the international arena.... but such a thing is a dream and more suited to novels and films....

Grappler,

Not realistic,   ....and a very dangerous 'ideal', for anyone to try to foster, imo.

Men are corrupt,   ....all men are innately corrupt,
'in their bones' !


QUESTION;
If such a corps was formed.......
what would or could, constrain such a group, and compel such a group, to "wreak right" only,
and not oppression ?

What could prevent the strongest among them,
from enforcing their own [corrupted] will ?

Surely, eventually, such a group would 'resort' to fighting among themselves ?
.....seeking to enact, their own [individual, evil] 'dictates'.

Ego's.


.


"Power tends to corrupt,
and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Great men are almost always bad men."
- John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton, first Baron Acton (1834–1902)

But Yadda - it's like the wild West now -
3 cops gunned down in broad daylight - 2 of them dead.

How can it be solved?

Bobby. wrote on Sep 7^th, 2025 at 2:33pm:

But Yadda - it's like the wild West now - 3 cops gunned down in broad daylight - 2 of them dead. How can it be solved?

It’s nowhere near the Wild West, for very obvious reasons.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 7^th, 2025 at 2:33pm:

But Yadda - it's like the wild West now - 3 cops gunned down in broad daylight - 2 of them dead. How can it be solved?

THE PROBLEM OF   RAMPANT   CRIME IN OUR SOCIETY......

rampant = = flourishing or spreading unchecked.



Easy bobby.

Love God, and love his law [of righteousness].

I'm serious.


Psalms 40:8
I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.


Amos 5:14
Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live:
and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken.
15  Hate the evil, and love the good,
and establish judgment in the gate......


.


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1755516276/5#5

Quote:

Just for one issue, in Australia today.....why do our elected  bureaucrats and our 'representatives' refuse to permanently remove, violent criminals from our communities ? WHAT SHOULD BE DONE..... De-bar and replace the soft-cock judges. Introduce and pass, 'serious offender laws' [in our parliaments]......e.g. after a second [serious offence] conviction, the next sentence becomes an 'iron-clad' 20 years 'inside'. Build more prisons, to 'accommodate' violent career criminals......and to be able to permanently remove them from our cities and in our suburbs and towns. . Yadda said somewhere.... [quote] I come back to my argument about the wisdom, of assuming, in this PC world, that it is ok for 'sheep' and 'wolves' to share the same 'meadow'. The opinion of many, is that it is OK. I disagree. I say that 'sheep' and 'wolves' need to be separated.

'Wolves' in the 'meadow' are not going to respect the right of 'sheep'.....to not be accosted or killed, by the 'wolves'.


[/quote]

i dont think the 1m reward would have been offered if they thought he was alive. hes died in the mines i reckon. may even have been injured when they were shooting at him but those mines are full of CO2 if he went to sleep

Spot

Sophia wrote on Aug 27^th, 2025 at 10:40pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 7:37pm: Sophia wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 6:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 5:59pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 1:06pm: This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim. Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses..... they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022. The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists. Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons. Sadly, you're right - they didn't learn a thing. All SovCits should be considered dangerous, especially those known to have guns. They must always be treated with extreme caution - they are literally insane and could do anything at any time. I just hope the shooter does the right thing and uses one of his guns on himself. I'm almost certain he will. No, not all. Using the same brush to tar all others is the same as saying the copper that tasered the granny as all cops are thugs and act without due care. I have just spoken to our friends that are sov citizens and they said, they don’t like the way they keep using that term to describe this man on the run. They said they have no care for him and said he’s a criminal. Now our male friend was ex army, and has 2 brothers in the police force. One has retired. So therefore, saying all sovcits are bad is wrong. This guy on the run… he’s a criminal first and foremost and shooting people is absolutely abhorrent. No one said or suggested that.... though a sovereign citizen might. Sovereign citizens that make the headlines have proven they are bad - and it's for all the wrong reasons. So if your friends don't fit the mold as to these types then they're not really a sovereign citizen type. They are just more your disgruntled citizen ..... and in this day and age with what's going on - who is not?  :) Oh yes, disgruntled enough to exercise rights, freeman, name in capitals, whatever else was said, it just goes in one ear and out the other with me.  ;D He’s a fighter, he’s got a 3rd Dan black belt taekwondo. He has guns. Now… about 5 years before we had that gun amnesty … he had guns the cops wanted him to hand in… so he did. He had a receipt of having handed them in etc. Well get this…. talk about corruption in the police force… his gun ended up resurfacing 2 years later in Tasmania!  :o It was found out some coppers were stashing these guns handed in so they on sold them! Black market! Since then, when guns are handed in… there’s a big window/glass barrier, where you see your gun being destroyed. I saw this…when we handed in our pump action shot gun.

When I handed my few in(the old ones I hadn't sold) the Coppers had like a pantek truck there with a hydraulic bending/crushing device - the rifles were bent/crushed/broken straight away.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28^th, 2025 at 10:56am:

Seems like they need to call in the Army. Surely they have superior skills when it comes to finding someone in thick bush-land.

This is not Rambo country. Australia don't use the Miltary for hunting fugitives from the law.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2025 at 1:11pm:

Victoria police say they have arrested a 42-year-old woman and a 15-year-old boy, interviewed them and released them “pending further inquiries” in the manhunt for suspected gunman Dezi Freeman in Victoria’s high country. :-/

They have 2 sons...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R7OG35z2Rs

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2025 at 4:06pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 1st, 2025 at 3:51pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 8:08pm: The kids need a dad who works hard and brings in the money they'll need to get a good start in life - support them through university or a trade etc. Even to provide good guidance and counselling. His wife will be lonely and not have the support she'll need. The whole situation is a disaster for his family and everyone else's family - the loved ones of the victims who were murdered. Who will look after them? Get with it Bobby, We have Social Security in Australia and the families of the murdered police will also get support from the Police Association of Victoria. A few pennies from social security does not replace a dead provider for their family.

His wife is a music teacher - she can still make some money.

Gnads wrote on Sep 8^th, 2025 at 11:02am:

When I handed my few in(the old ones I hadn't sold) the Coppers had like a pantek truck there with a hydraulic bending/crushing device - the rifles were bent/crushed/broken straight away.

Yes - that's what I saw on TV but somehow many
weren't destroyed and corrupt cops sold them on the black market to criminals.

Guns are so old school.

Everyone just uses a machete nowadays.

So much cheaper and environmentally more friendly!

Daves2017 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2025 at 2:11pm:

Guns are so old school. Everyone just uses a machete nowadays. So much cheaper and environmentally more friendly!

Sustainable, endlessly reusable - in a word Green.

Gnads wrote on Sep 8^th, 2025 at 11:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2025 at 1:11pm: Victoria police say they have arrested a 42-year-old woman and a 15-year-old boy, interviewed them and released them “pending further inquiries” in the manhunt for suspected gunman Dezi Freeman in Victoria’s high country. :-/ They have 2 sons... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R7OG35z2Rs

So, he called the police on his neighbours when he needed help but then executed two of them when they came to his house because he thinks he's above the law.

Typical SovCit moron.

His two sons will have a much better life now that he's gone - their mother seems to be a decent person.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 8^th, 2025 at 4:02pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 8th, 2025 at 11:12am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2025 at 1:11pm: Victoria police say they have arrested a 42-year-old woman and a 15-year-old boy, interviewed them and released them “pending further inquiries” in the manhunt for suspected gunman Dezi Freeman in Victoria’s high country. :-/ They have 2 sons... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R7OG35z2Rs So, he called the police on his neighbours when he needed help but then executed two of them when they came to his house because he thinks he's above the law. Typical SovCit moron. His two sons will have a much better life now that he's gone - their mother seems to be a decent person.

Yes they may well do... I can only hope the lads haven't been too badly affected by him.

But until he's either locked up or dead he isn't gone yet.

Details of the conversations recorded between Dezi, his wife, and police before shooting.

https://apple.news/Akq8VAFODSJqi4N-FQ0vxWQ

'We have got a search warrant right here,' one officer was heard saying. 
'Come out and have a look at it.
'Come out and talk to us Dez, we are not going away.'
From inside, Ms Freeman could be heard asking the officers not to enter the bus.
'Can you please not barge in?' she said.
'We have a search warrant,' a second officer responded.
'I have a kid, please,' Ms Freeman begged, her voice shaking. 
'Leave us alone, leave us alone,' Freeman shouted.
What followed was an extended back-and-forth between Freeman and several officers.
Freeman demanded to see the warrant, claimed he had autism and post-traumatic stress disorder, and insisted a disability liaison officer be present.
Daily Mail understands Freeman has never been formally diagnosed with either condition.  
Freeman named various other police officers he wanted to attend as witnesses, and when the warrant was held up against the bus window, he snapped that it was 'not valid'.
'What is the search warrant for?' he demanded.
Remaining calm, an officer pulled against the bus door with a crowbar.
'We are just trying to do our job, Dez. Come out and talk to us and we won't have to break in,' he said.
When told the warrant was related to a sexual assault allegation involving a young girl, Freeman erupted.
'Oh for f* sake, what bulls*,' he screamed, branding the police 'psychopaths' and accusing them of 'terrorising him'.
'You have been targeting me for seven years,' Freeman claimed before demanding to speak to the senior sergeant and commanding officer.
He accused the police of 'trespassing' and committing 'countless crimes.'

Sophia wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 11:04am:

Details of the conversations recorded between Dezi, his wife, and police before shooting. https://apple.news/Akq8VAFODSJqi4N-FQ0vxWQ 'We have got a search warrant right here,' one officer was heard saying.  'Come out and have a look at it. 'Come out and talk to us Dez, we are not going away.' From inside, Ms Freeman could be heard asking the officers not to enter the bus. 'Can you please not barge in?' she said. 'We have a search warrant,' a second officer responded. 'I have a kid, please,' Ms Freeman begged, her voice shaking.  'Leave us alone, leave us alone,' Freeman shouted. What followed was an extended back-and-forth between Freeman and several officers. Freeman demanded to see the warrant, claimed he had autism and post-traumatic stress disorder, and insisted a disability liaison officer be present. Daily Mail understands Freeman has never been formally diagnosed with either condition.   Freeman named various other police officers he wanted to attend as witnesses, and when the warrant was held up against the bus window, he snapped that it was 'not valid'. 'What is the search warrant for?' he demanded. Remaining calm, an officer pulled against the bus door with a crowbar. 'We are just trying to do our job, Dez. Come out and talk to us and we won't have to break in,' he said. When told the warrant was related to a sexual assault allegation involving a young girl, Freeman erupted. 'Oh for f* sake, what bulls*,' he screamed, branding the police 'psychopaths' and accusing them of 'terrorising him'. 'You have been targeting me for seven years,' Freeman claimed before demanding to speak to the senior sergeant and commanding officer. He accused the police of 'trespassing' and committing 'countless crimes.'

‘’Ms Freeman was seemingly sitting on the steps of the bus directly behind the door and their toddler was with her.’’

Toddler? Earlier reports said 15 year old son.

Sophia wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 11:04am:

... Freeman ... demanding to speak to the senior sergeant and commanding officer. He accused the police of 'trespassing' and committing 'countless crimes.'

Typical SovCit bullshit.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 1:07pm:

Sophia wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 11:04am: Details of the conversations recorded between Dezi, his wife, and police before shooting. https://apple.news/Akq8VAFODSJqi4N-FQ0vxWQ 'We have got a search warrant right here,' one officer was heard saying.  'Come out and have a look at it. 'Come out and talk to us Dez, we are not going away.' From inside, Ms Freeman could be heard asking the officers not to enter the bus. 'Can you please not barge in?' she said. 'We have a search warrant,' a second officer responded. 'I have a kid, please,' Ms Freeman begged, her voice shaking.  'Leave us alone, leave us alone,' Freeman shouted. What followed was an extended back-and-forth between Freeman and several officers. Freeman demanded to see the warrant, claimed he had autism and post-traumatic stress disorder, and insisted a disability liaison officer be present. Daily Mail understands Freeman has never been formally diagnosed with either condition.   Freeman named various other police officers he wanted to attend as witnesses, and when the warrant was held up against the bus window, he snapped that it was 'not valid'. 'What is the search warrant for?' he demanded. Remaining calm, an officer pulled against the bus door with a crowbar. 'We are just trying to do our job, Dez. Come out and talk to us and we won't have to break in,' he said. When told the warrant was related to a sexual assault allegation involving a young girl, Freeman erupted. 'Oh for f* sake, what bulls*,' he screamed, branding the police 'psychopaths' and accusing them of 'terrorising him'. 'You have been targeting me for seven years,' Freeman claimed before demanding to speak to the senior sergeant and commanding officer. He accused the police of 'trespassing' and committing 'countless crimes.' ‘’Ms Freeman was seemingly sitting on the steps of the bus directly behind the door and their toddler was with her.’’ Toddler? Earlier reports said 15 year old son.

Good grief man! What’s that small bubby Ms Freeman has been holding in her arms the whole time seen on TV? They have 2 sons. One is a teen, one is a tot.

Sophia wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 3:26pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 1:07pm: Sophia wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 11:04am: Details of the conversations recorded between Dezi, his wife, and police before shooting. https://apple.news/Akq8VAFODSJqi4N-FQ0vxWQ 'We have got a search warrant right here,' one officer was heard saying.  'Come out and have a look at it. 'Come out and talk to us Dez, we are not going away.' From inside, Ms Freeman could be heard asking the officers not to enter the bus. 'Can you please not barge in?' she said. 'We have a search warrant,' a second officer responded. 'I have a kid, please,' Ms Freeman begged, her voice shaking.  'Leave us alone, leave us alone,' Freeman shouted. What followed was an extended back-and-forth between Freeman and several officers. Freeman demanded to see the warrant, claimed he had autism and post-traumatic stress disorder, and insisted a disability liaison officer be present. Daily Mail understands Freeman has never been formally diagnosed with either condition.   Freeman named various other police officers he wanted to attend as witnesses, and when the warrant was held up against the bus window, he snapped that it was 'not valid'. 'What is the search warrant for?' he demanded. Remaining calm, an officer pulled against the bus door with a crowbar. 'We are just trying to do our job, Dez. Come out and talk to us and we won't have to break in,' he said. When told the warrant was related to a sexual assault allegation involving a young girl, Freeman erupted. 'Oh for f* sake, what bulls*,' he screamed, branding the police 'psychopaths' and accusing them of 'terrorising him'. 'You have been targeting me for seven years,' Freeman claimed before demanding to speak to the senior sergeant and commanding officer. He accused the police of 'trespassing' and committing 'countless crimes.' ‘’Ms Freeman was seemingly sitting on the steps of the bus directly behind the door and their toddler was with her.’’ Toddler? Earlier reports said 15 year old son. Good grief man! What’s that small bubby Ms Freeman has been holding in her arms the whole time seen on TV? They have 2 sons. One is a teen, one is a tot.

That’s what comes from not watching TV; my apologies.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 5:12pm:

Sophia wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 3:26pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 1:07pm: Sophia wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 11:04am: Details of the conversations recorded between Dezi, his wife, and police before shooting. https://apple.news/Akq8VAFODSJqi4N-FQ0vxWQ 'We have got a search warrant right here,' one officer was heard saying.  'Come out and have a look at it. 'Come out and talk to us Dez, we are not going away.' From inside, Ms Freeman could be heard asking the officers not to enter the bus. 'Can you please not barge in?' she said. 'We have a search warrant,' a second officer responded. 'I have a kid, please,' Ms Freeman begged, her voice shaking.  'Leave us alone, leave us alone,' Freeman shouted. What followed was an extended back-and-forth between Freeman and several officers. Freeman demanded to see the warrant, claimed he had autism and post-traumatic stress disorder, and insisted a disability liaison officer be present. Daily Mail understands Freeman has never been formally diagnosed with either condition.   Freeman named various other police officers he wanted to attend as witnesses, and when the warrant was held up against the bus window, he snapped that it was 'not valid'. 'What is the search warrant for?' he demanded. Remaining calm, an officer pulled against the bus door with a crowbar. 'We are just trying to do our job, Dez. Come out and talk to us and we won't have to break in,' he said. When told the warrant was related to a sexual assault allegation involving a young girl, Freeman erupted. 'Oh for f* sake, what bulls*,' he screamed, branding the police 'psychopaths' and accusing them of 'terrorising him'. 'You have been targeting me for seven years,' Freeman claimed before demanding to speak to the senior sergeant and commanding officer. He accused the police of 'trespassing' and committing 'countless crimes.' ‘’Ms Freeman was seemingly sitting on the steps of the bus directly behind the door and their toddler was with her.’’ Toddler? Earlier reports said 15 year old son. Good grief man! What’s that small bubby Ms Freeman has been holding in her arms the whole time seen on TV? They have 2 sons. One is a teen, one is a tot. That’s what comes from not watching TV; my apologies.

That’s okay.  :) I don’t blame you, if I had a choice I wouldn’t either! But the other half always has the tv on for news. My son and daughter both don’t watch tv either. Says it’s full of misguided brain wash distracting negativity.
Well I guess someone in the family has to keep up with what’s going on in the world!  ::)
Then, we have this wonderful political forum which I find informative and always interesting with divided opinions.

There is a video.

The Daily Mail is not showing the full 27 minute video but
they do show us this YouTube video of still frames and a narrator:

Interesting that both cops were shot at point blank range when they were inside the bus.
I can therefore assume that it was a shotgun and
not a rifle at long range.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH0DQyMBjZ8

‘’ That’s okay. . . . .it’s full of misguided brain wash distracting negativity.’’
Lovely description; I’m going to save it.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 5:43pm:

Interesting that both cops were shot at point blank range when they were inside the bus. I can therefore assume that it was a shotgun and not a rifle at long range.

Report i read said first cop was shot through the door second cop was shot through a window.

Reports also said he used home made shotgun which are illegal.

Pretty easy to make a simple slam fire shotty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUyntw8cqLc

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 8:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 5:43pm: Interesting that both cops were shot at point blank range when they were inside the bus. I can therefore assume that it was a shotgun and not a rifle at long range. Report i read said first cop was shot through the door second cop was shot through a window. Reports also said he used home made shotgun which are illegal. Pretty easy to make a simple slam fire shotty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUyntw8cqLc

And the Slam-fire is relatively complicated compared to the simplest hardware store variety

Well - he's managed to wreck my attempt to discuss Sovereign Citizens/Citizenship and the reasons for that developing and developing, and to then lead into discussion of State Sovereignty in relation to that..... thus creating the atmosphere in which the issues of dividing the now unwieldy Australian states up into smaller areas more in keeping with the people ... who ... live... there ... can go forward.


They're eating the rights...
They're eating the dreams ...
They're eating the pet ideas ...
Of the people... who ... live... there...

Who, or example, in Victoria - outside of the latte' sipping befuddled agenda eddicated lost thinking Dark City of Occupied Melbadishu - WANTS some nonsensical 'Aboriginal treaty' and Apartheid and special rights, and tiered citizenship and rights?

NOBODY but the very - VERY few who stand to benefit unfairly from such a thing... and who imagine they can persist in their lawless ways and not be brought to the bar for it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-30/vic-dezi-freeman-search-fatal-shooting/106510112


Dezi Freeman killed by police in Victoria's north-east after seven-month hunt

By Tim Callanan

Topic:Crime

2h ago

In short:

Police have shot dead fugitive gunman Dezi Freeman in Victoria's north-east.

Victoria Police says Freeman was shot shortly after 8:30 this morning and no officers were injured.

Freeman had been wanted since August over the fatal shooting of two police officers at Porepunkah.





https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-30/live-blog-dezi-freeman-porepunkah-shooting/105719456

Location of the shooting

Judd Boaz profile image
By Judd Boaz

Police have not confirmed the exact location of this morning's shooting.

Residents of Victoria's north-east have told the ABC about the heavy police presence in the area during this morning's operation.

The ABC understands the stand-off and shooting occurred near Walwa, on Victoria's border with NSW.

How much did this manhunt cost to taxpayers?

tallowood wrote on Mar 30^th, 2026 at 11:57am:

How much did this manhunt cost to taxpayers?

Probably $millions and

Dezi Freeman cheated the hangman out of his fee.

Was it a case of : "BANG, BANG BANG!"

"PUT YOUR HANDS UP!" ?

Will not be missed and saves the cost of a court case.   8-)

p.s.

Reports that there was a "tip-off".

I wonder if the person or persons involved will receive the $1M reward?

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 30^th, 2026 at 12:29pm:

Was it a case of : "BANG, BANG BANG!" "PUT YOUR HANDS UP!" ?

Couldn't really blame the cops if that's what happened.

A cop killer with nothing to lose isn't gonna come quietly.

Agreed.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2026 at 12:31pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 30th, 2026 at 12:29pm: Was it a case of : "BANG, BANG BANG!" "PUT YOUR HANDS UP!" ? Couldn't really blame the cops if that's what happened. A cop killer with nothing to lose isn't gonna come quietly.

Finally some sense from the Pecker.
Shame he can't understand this with Terrorism, but hey - he's a troll, so he probably does.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 30^th, 2026 at 11:14am:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-30/vic-dezi-freeman-search-fatal-shooting/106510112 Dezi Freeman killed by police in Victoria's north-east after seven-month hunt By Tim Callanan Topic:Crime 2h ago In short: Police have shot dead fugitive gunman Dezi Freeman in Victoria's north-east. Victoria Police says Freeman was shot shortly after 8:30 this morning and no officers were injured. Freeman had been wanted since August over the fatal shooting of two police officers at Porepunkah. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-30/live-blog-dezi-freeman-porepunkah-shooting/105719456 Location of the shooting Judd Boaz profile image By Judd Boaz Police have not confirmed the exact location of this morning's shooting. Residents of Victoria's north-east have told the ABC about the heavy police presence in the area during this morning's operation. The ABC understands the stand-off and shooting occurred near Walwa, on Victoria's border with NSW.

Well I was close to him aiming for the border, like most criminally hunted do.

I remember the gunman of the NZ peninsula massacre (Dunedin I think) where he killed 13 people with automatic rifles. Fully armed and Camo. He even snuck up behind the local cop and shot him in the back of the head. A pure nutter who snapped because kids cut across his front yard (he shot them too).
There's a movie on it.
The Special Forces came in and flushed him to the end of the peninsula. Trapped, he came out guns blazing. They took him down, tied him up. Lit their cigarettes with a foot on him and then called the cops in after he died from his wounds so they could read him his rights.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2026 at 12:31pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 30th, 2026 at 12:29pm: Was it a case of : "BANG, BANG BANG!" "PUT YOUR HANDS UP!" ? Couldn't really blame the cops if that's what happened. A cop killer with nothing to lose isn't gonna come quietly.

Was he armed when he was shot?     :-/

Bobby. wrote on Mar 30^th, 2026 at 12:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30th, 2026 at 12:31pm: Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 30th, 2026 at 12:29pm: Was it a case of : "BANG, BANG BANG!" "PUT YOUR HANDS UP!" ? Couldn't really blame the cops if that's what happened. A cop killer with nothing to lose isn't gonna come quietly. Was he armed when he was shot?     :-/

Armed with a doona, I think.

EDIT: just found this.

The person inside the building was encouraged to come outside and given an opportunity to surrender peacefully

He exited the building, and police 'strongly believe' he was armed

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2026 at 12:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 30th, 2026 at 12:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30th, 2026 at 12:31pm: Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 30th, 2026 at 12:29pm: Was it a case of : "BANG, BANG BANG!" "PUT YOUR HANDS UP!" ? Couldn't really blame the cops if that's what happened. A cop killer with nothing to lose isn't gonna come quietly. Was he armed when he was shot?     :-/ Armed with a doona, I think. EDIT: just found this. The person inside the building was encouraged to come outside and given an opportunity to surrender peacefully He exited the building, and police 'strongly believe' he was armed

Yes - that is very uncertain language.    :-/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-30/live-blog-dezi-freeman-porepunkah-shooting/105719456

Maybe the poor guy just chanted "Death to Jews and America!!" ? :-/

He presented a gun at the cops from underneath a blanket.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmDZly14kFg


Mar 30, 2026 

Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Mike Bush has held a press conference
at the Murray River Road property where fugitive Dezi Freeman was shot dead
in a stand-off with police.
He said police used every tool at their disposal to end things peacefully,
and that Freeman pointed a firearm at police before he was killed.

One less SovCit in the world.

Life is good.