RFK Jr’s health department to halt $500m in mRNA vaccine research

The US Department of Health and Human Services said on Tuesday it would terminate 22 federal contracts for mRNA-based vaccines, questioning the safety of a technology credited with helping end the Covid pandemic and saving millions of lives.

If you want to make bioweapons - Use your own money 💰

And forgo liability protection.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 5:39pm:

RFK Jr’s health department to halt $500m in mRNA vaccine research The US Department of Health and Human Services said on Tuesday it would terminate 22 federal contracts for mRNA-based vaccines, questioning the safety of a technology credited with helping end the Covid pandemic and saving millions of lives.

Just after USAID was killed meaning Ebola virus will infect people in America, Europe, ruzzia, China etc. Well done!

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 7:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 5:39pm: RFK Jr’s health department to halt $500m in mRNA vaccine research The US Department of Health and Human Services said on Tuesday it would terminate 22 federal contracts for mRNA-based vaccines, questioning the safety of a technology credited with helping end the Covid pandemic and saving millions of lives. Just after USAID was killed meaning Ebola virus will infect people in America, Europe, ruzzia, China etc. Well done!

Kennedy is extremely dangerous.

He belongs in a mental health facility.

His decisions will result in the deaths of thousands of people.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 7:11pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 7:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 5:39pm: RFK Jr’s health department to halt $500m in mRNA vaccine research The US Department of Health and Human Services said on Tuesday it would terminate 22 federal contracts for mRNA-based vaccines, questioning the safety of a technology credited with helping end the Covid pandemic and saving millions of lives. Just after USAID was killed meaning Ebola virus will infect people in America, Europe, ruzzia, China etc. Well done! Kennedy is extremely dangerous. He belongs in a mental health facility. His decisions will result in the deaths of thousands of people.

My thoughts exactly.

What a despicable, malicious thread title. Consistent with contemptible, creepy, unflushable''s lies.

SerialBrain9 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 6:20pm:

If you want to make bioweapons - Use your own money 💰 And forgo liability protection.

Oh? That's not what your DL said. He said Operation Warp Speed got the MRNA vaccines happening even quicker because the drug companies didn't have to use their own money. You even praised him for it, remember?

Look at him cutting all that red tape and getting jabs in people's arms, you said. What a champion.

So, were you lying then, son, or are you lying now?

Frank wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 7:37pm:

What a despicable, malicious thread title. Consistent with contemptible, creepy, unflushable''s lies.

Ah yes, but do you want more people to die? After all, you're hardly a harbinger of life yourself, old chap.

You're more on the pro-death end of the spectrum, wouldn't you say?

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 7:11pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 7:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 5:39pm: RFK Jr’s health department to halt $500m in mRNA vaccine research The US Department of Health and Human Services said on Tuesday it would terminate 22 federal contracts for mRNA-based vaccines, questioning the safety of a technology credited with helping end the Covid pandemic and saving millions of lives. Just after USAID was killed meaning Ebola virus will infect people in America, Europe, ruzzia, China etc. Well done! Kennedy is extremely dangerous. He belongs in a mental health facility. His decisions will result in the deaths of thousands of people.

No other President in living memory - Democrat or Republican - would ever nominate, much less have confirmed, a delusional conspiracy theorist moron like RFK Jr. to such a critical role. Only an equally delusional moron like Trump would do it because he shares those views! Think about it - if Trump thought the vaccines were safe, there's no way he'd let anyone change the position of his administration. Remember - Trump is the halfwit who suggested at a White House press briefing that people should inject disinfectant into their veins to kill the COVID virus! So it's abundantly clear that RFK Jr was nominated for two reasons - he and Trump are in lock-step in terms of health policy and whackjob beliefs, and RFK Jr. is completely and unfailingly loyal to Trump.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 6:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 7:11pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 7:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 5:39pm: RFK Jr’s health department to halt $500m in mRNA vaccine research The US Department of Health and Human Services said on Tuesday it would terminate 22 federal contracts for mRNA-based vaccines, questioning the safety of a technology credited with helping end the Covid pandemic and saving millions of lives. Just after USAID was killed meaning Ebola virus will infect people in America, Europe, ruzzia, China etc. Well done! Kennedy is extremely dangerous. He belongs in a mental health facility. His decisions will result in the deaths of thousands of people. No other President in living memory - Democrat or Republican - would ever nominate, much less have confirmed, a delusional conspiracy theorist moron like RFK Jr. to such a critical role. Only an equally delusional moron like Trump would do it because he shares those views! Think about it - if Trump thought the vaccines were safe, there's no way he'd let anyone change the position of his administration. Remember - Trump is the halfwit who suggested at a White House press briefing that people should inject disinfectant into their veins to kill the COVID virus! So it's abundantly clear that RFK Jr was nominated for two reasons - he and Trump are in lock-step in terms of health policy and whackjob beliefs, and RFK Jr. is completely and unfailingly loyal to Trump.

There you go, 'intellectual' reasoning, facts and ethical arguments.



Repeating canards - injecting bleach - in an emotionally incontinent, spittle flecked rant.

Sad kanga is in the Armchair.

Frank wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 9:26am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 6:09am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 7:11pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 7:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 5:39pm: RFK Jr’s health department to halt $500m in mRNA vaccine research The US Department of Health and Human Services said on Tuesday it would terminate 22 federal contracts for mRNA-based vaccines, questioning the safety of a technology credited with helping end the Covid pandemic and saving millions of lives. Just after USAID was killed meaning Ebola virus will infect people in America, Europe, ruzzia, China etc. Well done! Kennedy is extremely dangerous. He belongs in a mental health facility. His decisions will result in the deaths of thousands of people. No other President in living memory - Democrat or Republican - would ever nominate, much less have confirmed, a delusional conspiracy theorist moron like RFK Jr. to such a critical role. Only an equally delusional moron like Trump would do it because he shares those views! Think about it - if Trump thought the vaccines were safe, there's no way he'd let anyone change the position of his administration. Remember - Trump is the halfwit who suggested at a White House press briefing that people should inject disinfectant into their veins to kill the COVID virus! So it's abundantly clear that RFK Jr was nominated for two reasons - he and Trump are in lock-step in terms of health policy and whackjob beliefs, and RFK Jr. is completely and unfailingly loyal to Trump. There you go, 'intellectual' reasoning, facts and ethical arguments. Repeating canards - injecting bleach - in an emotionally incontinent, spittle flecked rant. Sad kanga is in the Armchair.

Are you claiming that Trump didn’t suggest injecting disinfectant into people’s veins?

1. **Concerns About Efficacy Against Respiratory Infections** 
   HHS, under Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., stated that the decision was based on a review concluding that mRNA vaccines “fail to protect effectively against upper respiratory infections like COVID and flu.” 

https://www.hhs.gov/press-room/hhs-winds-down-mrna-development-under-barda.html
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5437642-hhs-ends-mrna-vaccine-development/

  **Rationale**:
The argument is that mRNA vaccines, while effective against severe disease and death, may not adequately prevent transmission or mild infections due to viral mutations, such as those seen with the Omicron variant. Redirecting funding to vaccine platforms that offer broader and more durable protection against evolving respiratory viruses could address this limitation. 

   - **Potential Benefit**:
Focusing on platforms like whole-virus vaccines or novel technologies that remain effective despite viral mutations could lead to more robust, long-term solutions for public health threats.

https://www.worthynews.com/107455-hhs-cancels-22-mrna-vaccine-contracts-citing-ineffectiveness-against-respiratory-viruses

2**Prioritizing Safety and Addressing Public Concerns** 
   The decision reflects a cautious approach, questioning the safety profile of mRNA vaccines, as articulated by Kennedy and supporters. 
https://www.dw.com/en/us-cancels-mrna-vaccine-contracts-worth-500-million/a-73542725

  **Rationale**:
Critics of mRNA technology, including Kennedy, have raised concerns about potential risks, such as side effects or long-term impacts, which resonate with segments of the public skeptical of the technology. Terminating these contracts signals a commitment to prioritizing platforms with “stronger safety records” and “transparent clinical and manufacturing data practices.” 

https://www.hhs.gov/press-room/hhs-winds-down-mrna-development-under-barda.html

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5437642-hhs-ends-mrna-vaccine-development

**Potential Benefit**
This move could rebuild trust among vaccine-hesitant populations by emphasizing rigorous safety standards and exploring alternative technologies perceived as less experimental. It aligns with HHS’s stated goal of supporting “safe, effective vaccines for every American who wants them.

https://www.hhs.gov/press-room/hhs-winds-down-mrna-development-under-barda.html

**Strategic Reallocation of Resources** 
The termination of contracts worth nearly $500 million allows HHS to redirect funds to alternative vaccine platforms that may offer broader applicability or fewer limitations. 

https://www.hhs.gov/press-room/hhs-winds-down-mrna-development-under-barda.html

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/hhs-cancels-all-mrna-vaccine-development-funded-barda

**Rationale**
HHS argues that investing in platforms like whole-virus vaccines or next-generation technologies could yield vaccines that are more effective against mutating viruses and have fewer perceived risks. For example, whole-virus vaccines may induce a broader immune response compared to mRNA’s spike-protein-focused approach.

https://www.worthynews.com/107455-hhs-cancels-22-mrna-vaccine-contracts-citing-ineffectiveness-against-respiratory-viruses

**Potential Benefit**
This shift could foster innovation in vaccine development, potentially leading to breakthroughs that address the shortcomings of mRNA technology, such as its reliance on frequent boosters. It also preserves taxpayer funds by avoiding further investment in projects deemed less promising.

https://www.worthynews.com/107455-hhs-cancels-22-mrna-vaccine-contracts-citing-ineffectiveness-against-respiratory-viruses

**Preserving Taxpayer Investment in Late-Stage Projects** 
HHS exempted certain late-stage mRNA contracts (e.g., Arcturus and Amplitude) to “preserve prior taxpayer investment,” demonstrating a balanced approach. 

https://www.hhs.gov/press-room/hhs-winds-down-mrna-development-under-barda.html

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/hhs-cancels-all-mrna-vaccine-development-funded-barda

**Rationale**
Allowing near-complete projects to finish ensures that prior investments are not wasted, while still halting new mRNA initiatives that may not align with current scientific or safety priorities. 

**Potential Benefit**
This pragmatic decision maximizes the value of existing investments while redirecting future funding to platforms deemed more effective, balancing fiscal responsibility with public health goals.

**Response to Evolving Scientific Evidence**
 
HHS claims the decision was informed by a “comprehensive review” of mRNA-related investments, suggesting it was evidence-driven. 

**Rationale**
Kennedy’s statement that “we reviewed the science, listened to the experts, and acted” implies that the review uncovered data questioning mRNA’s long-term viability for respiratory viruses. For instance, the emergence of variants like Omicron, which infected vaccinated individuals, was cited as evidence of mRNA’s limitations. 

**Potential Benefit**
Acting on new data ensures that federal resources are not tied to technologies that may not meet current scientific standards, potentially accelerating the development of more effective solutions.

**Alignment with Broader Policy Shift** 
 The decision aligns with a broader reorientation of U.S. vaccine policy under Kennedy’s leadership, which emphasises transparency and alternative approaches. 
   
**Rationale**
Kennedy’s tenure has involved significant changes, such as firing vaccine advisory panels and removing certain vaccine recommendations, reflecting a skepticism of establishment-driven policies. Canceling mRNA contracts fits this agenda of challenging technologies perceived as rushed or inadequately vetted during the COVID-19 emergency. 

**Potential Benefit**
This shift could encourage a more critical examination of vaccine development processes, potentially leading to policies that prioritize long-term safety and public trust over rapid deployment.

**Support from Certain Stakeholders **
The decision has been praised by groups like Children’s Health Defense, founded by Kennedy, which argue that mRNA vaccines pose safety risks and that defunding them is a step toward protecting public welfare. 

**Rationale**
These groups believe mRNA technology, despite its successes, has unresolved safety concerns that warrant a pivot to alternatives. Posts on X also reflect sentiment among some users who view the cancellation as a necessary correction to overreliance on mRNA. 

**Potential Benefit**
Aligning policy with the concerns of vaccine-skeptical communities could increase public engagement with health initiatives, provided safer alternatives are successfully developed.

**Avoiding Overreliance on a Single Technology** 
Terminating mRNA contracts reduces dependence on a single platform, encouraging diversification in vaccine research. 

**Rationale**
mRNA technology, while revolutionary, has limitations, such as its focus on specific viral proteins and challenges with rapidly mutating viruses. Investing in diverse platforms could mitigate risks associated with overreliance on one approach.
 
**Potential Benefit**
A diversified vaccine portfolio could better prepare the U.S. for future pandemics, especially if alternative platforms prove more adaptable to emerging threats.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 10:00am:

Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 9:26am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 6:09am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 7:11pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 7:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 5:39pm: RFK Jr’s health department to halt $500m in mRNA vaccine research The US Department of Health and Human Services said on Tuesday it would terminate 22 federal contracts for mRNA-based vaccines, questioning the safety of a technology credited with helping end the Covid pandemic and saving millions of lives. Just after USAID was killed meaning Ebola virus will infect people in America, Europe, ruzzia, China etc. Well done! Kennedy is extremely dangerous. He belongs in a mental health facility. His decisions will result in the deaths of thousands of people. No other President in living memory - Democrat or Republican - would ever nominate, much less have confirmed, a delusional conspiracy theorist moron like RFK Jr. to such a critical role. Only an equally delusional moron like Trump would do it because he shares those views! Think about it - if Trump thought the vaccines were safe, there's no way he'd let anyone change the position of his administration. Remember - Trump is the halfwit who suggested at a White House press briefing that people should inject disinfectant into their veins to kill the COVID virus! So it's abundantly clear that RFK Jr was nominated for two reasons - he and Trump are in lock-step in terms of health policy and whackjob beliefs, and RFK Jr. is completely and unfailingly loyal to Trump. There you go, 'intellectual' reasoning, facts and ethical arguments. Repeating canards - injecting bleach - in an emotionally incontinent, spittle flecked rant. Sad kanga is in the Armchair. Are you claiming that Trump didn’t suggest injecting disinfectant into people’s veins?

Yes. It is a stupid canard like the rest. 
The Hitler salute, the shooting in the face of some bint, that he wasn't really shot, that Biden was sharp as a tack, the lot
If you scroll through the America forum and look at all the threads that you, gweggy creep and 'Im an intellectual' kanga started, almost all of it is total bilge. Grimacing gotcha bollocks. You live on that stuff.

Frank wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 10:07am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 10:00am: Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 9:26am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 6:09am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 7:11pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 7:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 5:39pm: RFK Jr’s health department to halt $500m in mRNA vaccine research The US Department of Health and Human Services said on Tuesday it would terminate 22 federal contracts for mRNA-based vaccines, questioning the safety of a technology credited with helping end the Covid pandemic and saving millions of lives. Just after USAID was killed meaning Ebola virus will infect people in America, Europe, ruzzia, China etc. Well done! Kennedy is extremely dangerous. He belongs in a mental health facility. His decisions will result in the deaths of thousands of people. No other President in living memory - Democrat or Republican - would ever nominate, much less have confirmed, a delusional conspiracy theorist moron like RFK Jr. to such a critical role. Only an equally delusional moron like Trump would do it because he shares those views! Think about it - if Trump thought the vaccines were safe, there's no way he'd let anyone change the position of his administration. Remember - Trump is the halfwit who suggested at a White House press briefing that people should inject disinfectant into their veins to kill the COVID virus! So it's abundantly clear that RFK Jr was nominated for two reasons - he and Trump are in lock-step in terms of health policy and whackjob beliefs, and RFK Jr. is completely and unfailingly loyal to Trump. There you go, 'intellectual' reasoning, facts and ethical arguments. Repeating canards - injecting bleach - in an emotionally incontinent, spittle flecked rant. Sad kanga is in the Armchair. Are you claiming that Trump didn’t suggest injecting disinfectant into people’s veins? Yes. It is a stupid canard like the rest.  The Hitler salute, the shooting in the face of some bint, that he wasn't really shot, that Biden was sharp as a tack, the lot If you scroll through the America forum and look at all the threads that you, gweggy crep and intellectual kanga started, almost al of it is total bilge. Grimacing gotcha bollocks. You live on that stuff.

Is your TDS so severe you can’t bring yourself to admit that Trump did suggest injecting disinfectant was something to do? Here’s a video for you where you can see him suggest it as clear as day. It really can’t be argued that he didn’t say it because he clearly and unambiguously did!!!

https://youtu.be/zicGxU5MfwE?si=rslvBRbSa809c-vJ

SerialBrain9 wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 10:07am:

**Response to Evolving Scientific Evidence**   HHS claims the decision was informed by a “comprehensive review” of mRNA-related investments, suggesting it was evidence-driven.  **Rationale** Kennedy’s statement that “we reviewed the science, listened to the experts, and acted” implies that the review uncovered data questioning mRNA’s long-term viability for respiratory viruses. For instance, the emergence of variants like Omicron, which infected vaccinated individuals, was cited as evidence of mRNA’s limitations.  **Potential Benefit** Acting on new data ensures that federal resources are not tied to technologies that may not meet current scientific standards, potentially accelerating the development of more effective solutions. **Alignment with Broader Policy Shift**   The decision aligns with a broader reorientation of U.S. vaccine policy under Kennedy’s leadership, which emphasises transparency and alternative approaches.      **Rationale** Kennedy’s tenure has involved significant changes, such as firing vaccine advisory panels and removing certain vaccine recommendations, reflecting a skepticism of establishment-driven policies. Canceling mRNA contracts fits this agenda of challenging technologies perceived as rushed or inadequately vetted during the COVID-19 emergency.  **Potential Benefit** This shift could encourage a more critical examination of vaccine development processes, potentially leading to policies that prioritize long-term safety and public trust over rapid deployment. **Support from Certain Stakeholders ** The decision has been praised by groups like Children’s Health Defense, founded by Kennedy, which argue that mRNA vaccines pose safety risks and that defunding them is a step toward protecting public welfare.  **Rationale** These groups believe mRNA technology, despite its successes, has unresolved safety concerns that warrant a pivot to alternatives. Posts on X also reflect sentiment among some users who view the cancellation as a necessary correction to overreliance on mRNA.  **Potential Benefit** Aligning policy with the concerns of vaccine-skeptical communities could increase public engagement with health initiatives, provided safer alternatives are successfully developed. **Avoiding Overreliance on a Single Technology**  Terminating mRNA contracts reduces dependence on a single platform, encouraging diversification in vaccine research.  **Rationale** mRNA technology, while revolutionary, has limitations, such as its focus on specific viral proteins and challenges with rapidly mutating viruses. Investing in diverse platforms could mitigate risks associated with overreliance on one approach.   **Potential Benefit** A diversified vaccine portfolio could better prepare the U.S. for future pandemics, especially if alternative platforms prove more adaptable to emerging threats.

Thank you.

Kennedy proceeding with due caution is characterised as 'kennedy wants people to die'.
The depth of creepy malicioiusness among the TDS kids is unfathomable.

Since the clown cancelled the trials how can we work out how safe mRNA vaccines are?

You realise he wants to eliminate all vaccines?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 10:16am:

Is your TDS so severe you can’t bring yourself to admit that Trump did suggest injecting disinfectant was something to do? Here’s a video for you where you can see him suggest it as clear as day. It really can’t be argued that he didn’t say it because he clearly and unambiguously did!!! https://youtu.be/zicGxU5MfwE?si=rslvBRbSa809c-vJ

He was talking about the various medical methods discussed by the previous speaker, Bill Bryan.  He was at every step checking with him, saying you are going to test that, you are going to examine it.  To characterise this clip as Trump saying you should inject bleach is a totally stupid, malicious wilful misrepresentation.


Transcript:
Bill Bryan: (27:22) We worked with John Hopkins' applied physics lab and we actually developed a larger drum to actually do more testing and it's four times the size of that. So, this is the capability that we bring to this effort. So, in summary, within the conditions we've tested today, the virus in droplets of saliva survives best in indoors and dry conditions. The virus does not survive as well in droplets of saliva, and that's important because a lot of testing being done is not necessarily being done, number one, with the COVID-19 virus and number two, in saliva or respiratory fluids. And thirdly, the virus dies the quickest in the presence of direct sunlight under these conditions. And when you look at that chart, look at the aerosol as you breathe it, you put it in a room, 70 to 75 degrees, 20% humidity, low humidity. Half-life is about an hour, but you get outside and it cuts down to a minute and a half. Very significant difference when it gets hit with UV rays. Mr. president, while there are many unknown links in the COVID-19 transmission chain, we believe these trends can support practical decision making to lower the risks associated with the virus. If I could have my next slide and while that comes up, you'll see a number of some practical applications.

Bill Bryan: (28:34) For example, increasing the temperature and humidity of potentially contaminated indoor spaces appears to reduce the stability of the virus, and extra care may be warranted for dry environments that do not have exposure to solar light. We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster. We're also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva. This is not the end of our work. As we continue to characterize this virus and integrate our findings into practical applications to mitigate exposure and transmission. I would like to thank the president, thank the vice president for their ongoing support and leadership to the department and for their work in addressing this pandemic. I would also like to thank the scientists not only in S and T and the NBAC, but to the larger scientific and R and D community. Thank you very much.

Donald Trump: (29:46) A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you're totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that so that you're going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we'll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That's pretty powerful. Steve, please.

Steve: (30:50) You said that the country will be in a better place by early summer. Does that mean you're going to need to extend the social distancing guidelines until then?

Donald Trump: (30:57) Well, we may and we may go beyond that. We're going to have to see where it is and I think people are going to know. You're going to know, I'm going to know. I think people are going to know just out of common sense, at some point we won't have to do that, but until we feel it's safe, we're going to be extending.
etc, etc

https://www.rev.com/transcripts/donald-trump-coronavirus-press-conference-transcript-april-23


You numpties rely almost entirely on hostile bloggers and youtubers to do the 'thinking' for you. Ludicrous, malicious, idiiotic.  But you love it, it let's you scrarch away at your dermatillomania Trumpia.

Frank wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 10:18am:

Thank you. Kennedy proceeding with due caution is characterised as 'kennedy wants people to die'. The depth of creepy malicioiusness among the TDS kids is unfathomable.

Seeing as the Covid vaccines alone have saved millions of lives worldwide then by saying RFK Jr wants people to die (by stopping all vaccines) appears to be accurate.

And, despite with anitvaxxers (including a few on this forum) seem to believe, mRNA vaccine research has been around for a long time.

Oh, and RFK Jr is a dangerous lunatic.

Frank wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 10:18am:

Kennedy proceeding with due caution is characterised as 'kennedy wants people to die'.

He's not proceeding with caution - he's ignoring science.

He clearly wants people to die.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 10:39am:

Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 10:18am: Kennedy proceeding with due caution is characterised as 'kennedy wants people to die'. He's not proceeding with caution - he's ignoring science. He clearly wants people to die.

We cannot truly know what he, or the worms, are thinking, but the impact on people’s lives will be the same regardless of whether it is deliberate or the result of ignorance and neglect.

January 2020:

“It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine,” Trump told CNBC’s Joe Kernen from the World Economic Forum in Davos.

August 2025:

1,225,706 US Covid deaths, 103,436,829 cases (and counting).

And a countless number disabled by Long Covid.

Which is going to get a whole lot worse (and not just with Covid) with that nutter RFK Jr in charge of "health".

Perhaps they're playing the same 'game' as Australia? Let Covid and other illnesses kill as many elderly and other vulnerable people as possible to save money on pension and healthcare costs.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Carl D wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 10:38am:

Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 10:18am: Thank you. Kennedy proceeding with due caution is characterised as 'kennedy wants people to die'. The depth of creepy malicioiusness among the TDS kids is unfathomable. Seeing as the Covid vaccines alone have saved millions of lives worldwide then by saying RFK Jr wants people to die (by stopping all vaccines) appears to be accurate. And, despite with anitvaxxers (including a few on this forum) seem to believe, mRNA vaccine research has been around for a long time. Oh, and RFK Jr is a dangerous lunatic.

Why lie?  What is the point of your barefaced lies??
Are you playing to the gallery of creepy gweggy, kanga and arnchair?

He is not stopping all vaccines.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 10:27am:

Since the clown cancelled the trials how can we work out how safe mRNA vaccines are? You realise he wants to eliminate all vaccines?

Quote:

A story on the unvaccinated seems a bit incomplete without bothering to include the data on the entirely unvaccinated population (of all ages) across 48 states, i.e., the Control Group study, for which a peer-reviewed and published paper can be seen here. Total risk of at least one chronic condition after the age of 18 in the vaccinated is now over 60%. TRUE total baseline risk for those who have never once been exposed to any vaccines and those who've also avoided the "vitamin" K shot, is 2.64%. Take your pick. - Joy Garner "The biggest problem that all of this comes down to is the refusal of most people to believe that people in power wish them harm, actively want to do harm to them. This is the hardest thing for most people to accept". - Bob Moran Autism: The rate of autism in entirely unvaccinated individuals with no exposure to the Vitamin K shot or maternal vaccines was 0%, compared to the national rate of 2.79% in 2019 and 3.49% in 2020. – The Control Group Survey

https://open.substack.com/pub/unbekoming/p/vaccinated-60-vs-unvaccinated-264?selection=2043e438-046c-4bb6-a414-05fb326ec338&r=5lv5tg&utm_medium=ios

No - YOU GET THE JAB 🖕🖕

i was also looking at the stats for SIDS - 80% died within 24 hours of getting Jabbed and it went up to 90% over 7 days

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Frank wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 10:50am:

Why lie?  What is the point of your barefaced lies?? Are you playing to the gallery of creepy gweggy, kanga and arnchair? He is not stopping all vaccines.

Maybe not at the moment but I'm sure he will be before too much longer.

And, why mRNA vaccines in particular?

Oh, that's right... he's an antivaxxer and conspiracy nutter. I wouldn't be surprised if he also believes in this image from 4 or 5 years ago.  :D

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Frank wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 10:50am:

Carl D wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 10:38am: Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 10:18am: Thank you. Kennedy proceeding with due caution is characterised as 'kennedy wants people to die'. The depth of creepy malicioiusness among the TDS kids is unfathomable. Seeing as the Covid vaccines alone have saved millions of lives worldwide then by saying RFK Jr wants people to die (by stopping all vaccines) appears to be accurate. And, despite with anitvaxxers (including a few on this forum) seem to believe, mRNA vaccine research has been around for a long time. Oh, and RFK Jr is a dangerous lunatic. Why lie?  What is the point of your barefaced lies?? Are you playing to the gallery of creepy gweggy, kanga and arnchair? He is not stopping all vaccines.

He wants to.

This is just the beginning.

He's going to be responsible for tens of thousands of deaths.

Again...

COVID vaccines saved 2. 5M lives globally—a death averted per 5,400 shots

Work led by scientists from the Università Cattolica del Sacro Cuore in Rome and Stanford University and published in Jama Health Forum shows that vaccines have prevented the loss of 14.8 million years of life


Quote:

Between 2020 and 2024, COVID-19 vaccines saved 2.5 million lives globally, preventing one death for every 5,400 doses. A groundbreaking worldwide study led by researchers from Università Cattolica and Stanford University reveals that most lives were saved before individuals were exposed to the virus, particularly during the Omicron period and among those aged 60+. The researchers also calculated 14.8 million years of life saved, with the elderly gaining the majority of these benefits.

Ah, looks like I might be right.


Carl D wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 10:48am:

Perhaps they're playing the same 'game' as Australia? Let Covid and other illnesses kill as many elderly and other vulnerable people as possible to save money on pension and healthcare costs. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Disgraceful stuff.

RFK Jr. Justifies Cuts to mRNA Vaccine Projects With Lies

In justifying the government’s termination of $500 million in funding for mRNA vaccine projects, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. falsely claimed mRNA vaccines “fail to protect effectively” against COVID-19 and suggested they are unsafe.

The mRNA shots saved millions of lives during the COVID-19 pandemic and have shown promise against influenza.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 11:04am:

RFK Jr. Justifies Cuts to mRNA Vaccine Projects With Lies In justifying the government’s termination of $500 million in funding for mRNA vaccine projects, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. falsely claimed mRNA vaccines “fail to protect effectively” against COVID-19 and suggested they are unsafe. The mRNA shots saved millions of lives during the COVID-19 pandemic and have shown promise against influenza.

RFK Jr.’s Decision to Cut mRNA Vaccine Funding Is Justified Based on Legitimate Concerns About Efficacy and Safety

The claim that Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s justification for terminating $500 million in mRNA vaccine contracts is based on “lies” oversimplifies a complex issue and dismisses valid concerns about the vaccines’ efficacy and safety.

While mRNA vaccines were initially heralded as a breakthrough, their real-world performance revealed significant limitations, particularly in preventing transmission and maintaining long-term efficacy against mutating viruses.

Additionally, safety concerns, though downplayed by establishment sources, have been documented and warrant scrutiny.

Kennedy’s decision reflects a reasonable reassessment of mRNA technology’s role in public health, prioritizing alternative platforms that may offer broader protection and fewer risks. Below are the key points supporting this position:

**Evolving Promises** mRNA Vaccines Did Not Stop Transmission as Initially Claimed**

**Initial Claims vs. Reality**

Early in the COVID-19 pandemic, public health officials, including the CDC and figures like Dr. Anthony Fauci, suggested that mRNA vaccines (e.g., Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna) would significantly reduce transmission, with statements implying that vaccinated individuals were unlikely to spread the virus.

For example, in early 2021, the CDC stated that vaccinated people were less likely to transmit SARS-CoV-2, fuelling the narrative that vaccines would “stop the spread.”

However, by mid-2021, with the emergence of the Delta and Omicron variants, data showed that vaccinated individuals could still contract and transmit the virus, contradicting earlier assurances.

This shift undermined the initial justification for vaccine mandates and public trust in mRNA technology.

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/08/rfk-jr-justifies-cuts-to-mrna-vaccine-projects-with-falsehoods

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-rfk-mrna-vaccines-effective-76633aadedfad3bec9a77e524c7ce6f7

  **Kennedy’s Point**

Kennedy’s claim that mRNA vaccines “fail to protect effectively against upper respiratory infections like COVID and flu” aligns with this reality.

While the vaccines reduced severe outcomes in some cases, their inability to prevent infection or transmission, especially against variants, supports the argument that they fell short of expectations.

This is not a “false” claim but a reflection of real-world data showing waning efficacy against infection over time.

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/08/rfk-jr-justifies-cuts-to-mrna-vaccine-projects-with-falsehoods

**Counter to Establishment Narrative**:

Critics like Dr. Peter Hotez and Dr. Paul Offit argue that mRNA vaccines were designed to prevent severe disease, not infection, and thus Kennedy’s statement is misleading.

However, this reframing ignores the initial public messaging that emphasized stopping transmission as a key benefit, which influenced policy decisions like vaccine passports.

The pivot to “severe disease prevention” only emerged after transmission prevention failed, highlighting a bait-and-switch in expectations.

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/08/rfk-jr-justifies-cuts-to-mrna-vaccine-projects-with-falsehoods

**Waning Efficacy and Variant Escape**
**Data on Waning Protection**
Studies, including those cited by the CDC, showed that mRNA vaccine efficacy against infection waned significantly within months, particularly with the emergence of variants like Delta and Omicron. For instance, a March 2022 CDC study found that while mRNA vaccines reduced the risk of severe outcomes (e.g., hospitalization or death) by 90% after two or three doses, protection against infection dropped to as low as 30–50% within months. This necessitated frequent boosters, which were not part of the original “one and done” promise

Part 2

Single Antigen Limitation:
Kennedy correctly notes that mRNA vaccines target a single viral protein (the spike protein), making them vulnerable to mutations.

When the virus mutates, as seen with Omicron, the vaccine’s effectiveness diminishes, requiring constant updates.
This limitation contrasts with whole-virus vaccines, which expose the immune system to multiple viral components, potentially offering broader and more durable protection.
 
Counter to Establishment Narrative:

“Experts” like Dr. Jake Scott argue that mRNA’s ability to be quickly updated is a strength, not a weakness. However, the need for frequent updates and boosters underscores the technology’s reactive nature, which may not be sustainable or practical for widespread use, especially in resource-limited settings. Kennedy’s focus on broader platforms like whole-virus vaccines addresses this structural flaw.

**Safety Concerns Are Not Baseless**
Documented Side Effects: While establishment sources claim mRNA vaccines are “remarkably safe,” adverse events have been reported.

For example, cases of myocarditis and pericarditis, particularly in young men, were linked to mRNA vaccines, with a 2022 study noting an increased risk in males aged 12–29.

These events raised concerns about long-term safety, especially for younger populations with low COVID-19 risk. Additionally, reports of blood clotting disorders and neurological issues have been documented in adverse event databases like VAERS.

*Lack of Long-Term Data**
mRNA vaccines were developed and deployed rapidly under emergency use authorizations, leaving limited long-term safety data. Kennedy’s skepticism about their safety reflects concerns about unknown risks, particularly given the novel nature of mRNA technology.

For instance, the vaccines’ lipid nanoparticles and potential for off-target immune responses have raised questions among some researchers.

**Counter to Establishment Narrative**
Experts like Dr. Paul Offit emphasize that serious side effects are “very rare” and that mRNA vaccines underwent rigorous testing.
However, the speed of development and the lack of decades-long safety data, compared to traditional vaccines, fuel legitimate concerns.
Kennedy’s decision to prioritize platforms with “stronger safety records” (e.g., whole-virus vaccines) is a precautionary approach, not a lie, especially given public distrust stemming from adverse event reports.

**Strategic Reallocation of Resources**
  Diversifying Vaccine Platforms: Kennedy’s decision to redirect $500 million to “safer, broader vaccine platforms” like whole-virus vaccines or novel technologies is a strategic move to diversify the U.S. vaccine portfolio. mRNA technology has dominated funding.

Whole-virus vaccines, for example, have a longer history and may induce broader immunity, making them less susceptible to variant-specific failures.

**Preserving Taxpayer Investment**
HHS exempted certain late-stage mRNA projects (e.g., Arcturus Therapeutics) to preserve prior investments, showing a balanced approach.
This suggests Kennedy’s decision is not a blanket rejection of mRNA but a targeted shift away from overreliance on a single technology with known limitations.

**Counter to Establishment Narrative**
Critics argue that cutting mRNA funding undermines pandemic preparedness, citing its rapid development timeline.
However, this assumes mRNA is the only viable platform for quick response, ignoring advances in other technologies. For example, recombinant protein vaccines or universal vaccine approaches could offer comparable speed with potentially greater durability. Kennedy’s focus on alternatives is forward-thinking, not anti-science.

**Public Trust and Transparency**
**Erosion of Trust**
The initial overpromising of mRNA vaccines’ ability to “stop the spread,” coupled with mandates and the dismissal of adverse event concerns, eroded public trust. Kennedy’s actions align with addressing this skepticism by prioritizing platforms perceived as safer and more transparent.
Posts on X from users like reflect public demand for evidence supporting mRNA’s efficacy and safety, which HHS claims to have reviewed internally.

**Counter to Establishment Narrative**
Critics like Dr. Jennifer Nuzzo argue that Kennedy’s claims sow doubt about vaccines broadly, harming public health.
However, this ignores the fact that public distrust was already high due to shifting narratives and perceived lack of transparency during the pandemic. Kennedy’s move to reassess mRNA funding responds to these concerns, aiming to rebuild trust through diversified, evidence-based investments.

Part 3.

**Mischaracterisation of Kennedy’s Claims as “Lies”**
Lack of Specific Evidence Against Kennedy:
The FactCheck.org article and other sources label Kennedy’s claims as “false” but fail to provide specific data refuting his assertion about mRNA’s limitations against upper respiratory infections.
While studies show mRNA vaccines reduced severe outcomes, they confirm weaker protection against infection, aligning with Kennedy’s point.
The accusation of “lies” seems more rhetorical than substantive, as it sidesteps the nuance of his critique.

**Scientific Debate, Not Denialism**
Kennedy’s decision is framed as anti-science, yet his call for “safer, broader platforms” suggests a preference for scientific diversification, not rejection.
Critics like Dr. Michael Osterholm call the move “dangerous,”  :D but they don’t address the potential benefits of exploring alternatives like whole-virus vaccines, which have a proven track record in diseases like polio.

**Broader Implications for Pandemic Preparedness**
Overreliance on mRNA:
The heavy focus on mRNA during the COVID-19 pandemic may have sidelined other platforms that could be more effective against future threats, such as H5N1 bird flu. Kennedy’s decision to fund alternatives could mitigate this risk, ensuring the U.S. isn’t dependent on a single technology that struggles with rapidly mutating viruses.

**Counter to Establishment Narrative**
Experts warn that cutting mRNA funding weakens biosecurity, citing its rapid development potential. However, this assumes mRNA is uniquely capable, ignoring the fact that traditional vaccines, like those for influenza, have been effective with slower timelines.

Kennedy’s shift could foster innovation in underfunded areas, potentially strengthening long-term preparedness.

Rebuttal to Specific Claims in the FactCheck.org Article
The FactCheck.org article asserts that Kennedy’s claims are false because mRNA vaccines saved millions of lives and are effective against severe COVID-19.

**Influenza Promise**
The claim that mRNA vaccines “show promise against influenza” is speculative, as no mRNA flu vaccine is currently approved. Terminating redundant or unproven projects to focus on established platforms is a pragmatic decision, not a lie.

Frank wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 10:35am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 10:16am: Is your TDS so severe you can’t bring yourself to admit that Trump did suggest injecting disinfectant was something to do? Here’s a video for you where you can see him suggest it as clear as day. It really can’t be argued that he didn’t say it because he clearly and unambiguously did!!! https://youtu.be/zicGxU5MfwE?si=rslvBRbSa809c-vJ He was talking about the various medical methods discussed by the previous speaker, Bill Bryan.  He was at every step checking with him, saying you are going to test that, you are going to examine it.  To characterise this clip as Trump saying you should inject bleach is a totally stupid, malicious wilful misrepresentation. Transcript: Bill Bryan: (27:22) We worked with John Hopkins' applied physics lab and we actually developed a larger drum to actually do more testing and it's four times the size of that. So, this is the capability that we bring to this effort. So, in summary, within the conditions we've tested today, the virus in droplets of saliva survives best in indoors and dry conditions. The virus does not survive as well in droplets of saliva, and that's important because a lot of testing being done is not necessarily being done, number one, with the COVID-19 virus and number two, in saliva or respiratory fluids. And thirdly, the virus dies the quickest in the presence of direct sunlight under these conditions. And when you look at that chart, look at the aerosol as you breathe it, you put it in a room, 70 to 75 degrees, 20% humidity, low humidity. Half-life is about an hour, but you get outside and it cuts down to a minute and a half. Very significant difference when it gets hit with UV rays. Mr. president, while there are many unknown links in the COVID-19 transmission chain, we believe these trends can support practical decision making to lower the risks associated with the virus. If I could have my next slide and while that comes up, you'll see a number of some practical applications. Bill Bryan: (28:34) For example, increasing the temperature and humidity of potentially contaminated indoor spaces appears to reduce the stability of the virus, and extra care may be warranted for dry environments that do not have exposure to solar light. We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster. We're also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva. This is not the end of our work. As we continue to characterize this virus and integrate our findings into practical applications to mitigate exposure and transmission. I would like to thank the president, thank the vice president for their ongoing support and leadership to the department and for their work in addressing this pandemic. I would also like to thank the scientists not only in S and T and the NBAC, but to the larger scientific and R and D community. Thank you very much. Donald Trump: (29:46) A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you're totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that so that you're going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we'll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That's pretty powerful. Steve, please. Steve: (30:50) You said that the country will be in a better place by early summer. Does that mean you're going to need to extend the social distancing guidelines until then? Donald Trump: (30:57) Well, we may and we may go beyond that. We're going to have to see where it is and I think people are going to know. You're going to know, I'm going to know. I think people are going to know just out of common sense, at some point we won't have to do that, but until we feel it's safe, we're going to be extending. etc, etc https://www.rev.com/transcripts/donald-trump-coronavirus-press-conference-transcript-april-23 You numpties rely almost entirely on hostile bloggers and youtubers to do the 'thinking' for you. Ludicrous, malicious, idiiotic.  But you love it, it let's you scrarch away at your dermatillomania Trumpia.

I highlighted and bolded the relevant part where Trump talks about injecting disinfectant into people's veins. He said it - stop lying!!!

Bryan, 2 minutes earlier:


We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go.
Etc

I included that from the transcript to show that Trump was repeating the official advice from the relevant government department spokesthingy. Don't ignore it.

Frank wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 3:04pm:

Bryan, 2 minutes earlier: We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. Etc I included that from the transcript to show that Trump was repeating the official advice from the relevant government department spokesthingy. Don't ignore it.

WOW, I am genuinely shocked at the depth of your TDS!!! You are still incapable of accepting the truth - that Trump suggested injecting people with disinfectant, an act that would kill them. He's on video saying it clear as day. I am lost for words at the colossal nature of your stupidity and ignorance. Please, do humanity a favour and don't breed.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 3:23pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 3:04pm: Bryan, 2 minutes earlier: We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. Etc I included that from the transcript to show that Trump was repeating the official advice from the relevant government department spokesthingy. Don't ignore it. WOW, I am genuinely shocked at the depth of your TDS!!! You are still incapable of accepting the truth - that Trump suggested injecting people with disinfectant, an act that would kill them. He's on video saying it clear as day. I am lost for words at the colossal nature of your stupidity and ignorance. Please, do humanity a favour and don't breed.

Don't even bother...

Well he's no Medical expert. It's not why he became President and sadly for him, he was sabotaged by Fauci who feed him Bullshyte from the start and then scurried away to the Democrats after the damage was done.
Fauci's first official report to Trump about the Corona breakout in China was "Nothing to worry about".
So blame Fauci, the so-called leading health expert, not Trump or any other Political figure.
Medical is not Politics forte.

Jasin wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 3:32pm:

Well he's no Medical expert.

No.

He's a roadkill-eating, anti-science lunatic.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 3:23pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 3:04pm: Bryan, 2 minutes earlier: We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. Etc I included that from the transcript to show that Trump was repeating the official advice from the relevant government department spokesthingy. Don't ignore it. WOW, I am genuinely shocked at the depth of your TDS!!! You are still incapable of accepting the truth - that Trump suggested injecting people with disinfectant, an act that would kill them. He's on video saying it clear as day. I am lost for words at the colossal nature of your stupidity and ignorance. Please, do humanity a favour and don't breed.

He is asking a question after the official brought it up as one of the avenues being explored.




"Is there ... it would be interesting to check ".

Jasin wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 3:32pm:

Well he's no Medical expert. It's not why he became President and sadly for him, he was sabotaged by Fauci who feed him Bullshyte from the start and then scurried away to the Democrats after the damage was done. Fauci's first official report to Trump about the Corona breakout in China was "Nothing to worry about". So blame Fauci, the so-called leading health expert, not Trump or any other Political figure. Medical is not Politics forte.

Fauci said not to worry about it very early on in the piece because at that point there was nothing to worry about and not much was known about it due to China heavily censoring information. Clearly, that changed with time and increased knowledge. Your attacks on Fauci are misplaced and should be directed at Trump.

Frank wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 3:04pm:

Bryan, 2 minutes earlier: We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. Etc I included that from the transcript to show that Trump was repeating the official advice from the relevant government department spokesthingy. Don't ignore it.

Why did you leave out the lead up for what you quoted where he speicifes indoor spaces?


Quote:

For example, increasing the temperature and humidity of potentially contaminated indoor spaces appears to reduce the stability of the virus, and extra care may be warranted for dry environments that do not have exposure to solar light.

:D :D

John Smith wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 6:01pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 3:04pm: Bryan, 2 minutes earlier: We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. Etc I included that from the transcript to show that Trump was repeating the official advice from the relevant government department spokesthingy. Don't ignore it. Why did you leave out the lead up for what you quoted where he speicifes indoor spaces? Quote: For example, increasing the temperature and humidity of potentially contaminated indoor spaces appears to reduce the stability of the virus, and extra care may be warranted for dry environments that do not have exposure to solar light. :D :D

I didnt leave it out,  you thick, stupid Berk.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1754552351/17#17